protection

[chilly brook]

nothing is impossible

[strange chasm]

after liek 3-4 cycle im out of rage or im on cd

for skills

[chilly brook]

only impossible with that mentality

[strong forum]

yeah, BT does that for you

and what griff said

[strange chasm]

for example i proced outburst on s t

but i have all on cd

ss rev

[strong forum]

yeah BT fucks you up with that

spend too much rage on revenge

cant fish for SS procs

[chilly brook]

Well

see

if you're having rage issues

[lime urchin]

Frens, why do some people pull whelps during first boss in ruby life pools? These don’t add count, right?

[chilly brook]

your overcasting revenge and IP

[strong forum]

funnel

[lime urchin]

For the rouges?

[chilly brook]

and like Nom is saying

[strong forum]

enha and rogue can do more single target dmg if they get to have adds around

[lime urchin]

Ok thanks

[chilly brook]

your talent choice is actively hurting you

[strange chasm]

i swaped it

will do more 20 for testing thx

[strong forum]

youre overcapping also a decent chunk of rage

[lime urchin]

So are my life choices

[chilly brook]

true

[strong forum]

youre overcapping like 7% rage

when it should be below 1%

your SS casts are too low, your TC casts are too low

your avatar casts are way too low

[strong forum]

same with ravager and thunderous roar

[chilly brook]

oof yea

[strong forum]

just pay more attention to your buttons

and prio SS over other buttons

[chilly brook]

my brother in christ

[strong forum]

press ignore pain when youre at and around 60-80 rage

[chilly brook]

what the hell

[strong forum]

yeah ITF does that for you

[lusty tiger]

today brother yorge is a born again warrior

[chilly brook]

should be like 90% at least

[strong forum]

|| i just checked mine from yesterday, 86% blocked ||

|| but i did 61k dps so im fine ||

🤫

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/spank-gif-18116954

[lusty tiger]

leeching

ramping

lol

[strong forum]

its just me getting hit in the back

[craggy kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear is this accurate myhic + bis items to follow?

[strong forum]

i swear

[chilly brook]

lol

[torn gulch]

it's ok i was looking at a random log and i've seen a prot warrior doing a 20 sbg with 25% SB uptime

i had to do a double take

[strong forum]

just follow the simple order of "ilvl > haste > rest"

[uneven mason]

Happens when we press w for win

[chilly brook]

I mean I'm bad so I'm probably worse

[strong forum]

and youre golden

[craggy kelp]

that doesnt matter anymore

[strong forum]

[craggy kelp]

since i need stats now

[strong forum]

i just told you them

stats dont matter

besides haste

[lusty tiger]

str > haste > sim

[uneven mason]

This is why all the other tanks hate us

[strong forum]

those are mine

[craggy kelp]

haste ccrit? haste versta? how much % on each stats do i aim for

[craggy kelp]

didnt rlly tell me much

[lusty tiger]

max out

[strong forum]

there are no breakpoints, no % to aim for

[craggy kelp]

need to balance

[strong forum]

no you dont

[craggy kelp]

can too haste all

and rest be dogshit

[torn gulch]

it's actually unreal to me how can you do that

[lusty tiger]

hastedless

[uneven mason]

Literally writing wowhead articles complaining that we should have tools stripped

[strong forum]

thats 4k haste and 4k crit

[lusty tiger]

who

[lusty tiger]

all g u have like 6 ilvl on me

prob worth

[strong forum]

andy has 9% vers, nerf has 8% vers, both have over 25% crit and random amount of mastery

trust

you dont need to balance shit

just stack haste, equip highest ilvl

[lusty tiger]

can balance deez if u want

[craggy kelp]

so basicly

[strong forum]

and whatever stat you find best as 2nd

crit is more dmg

[craggy kelp]

any item that has haste in i upgrade with valor?*

[strong forum]

pmuch

[torn gulch]

it's not like having the perfect stats will make a you a better player
actually pressing your buttons correctly will help more

[uneven mason]

Criiit

[strong forum]

just full stack haste, get tierset

and youre set

[craggy kelp]

i wanna know so i can farm specific dung for the spec item

[strong forum]

literally

CoS

for ring and trinket

[lusty tiger]

ur goal is 421 vault items

anything before is sub-bis

[ocean yoke]

Tfw no 9.2% vers and you die instantly

[craggy kelp]

i dont knwo even how tog et those so

[strong forum]

get haste rings, or 1 haste ring + eranog ring

get shadowmoon bracers

[uneven mason]

We ain't no druid

[lusty tiger]

complete a +20

[strong forum]

get HoV or AA cloak

[torn gulch]

vers is not as good as people believe it is

[lusty tiger]

vers is not good we dont rly heal lol

[strange chasm]

rly ?

[strong forum]

vers is overrated

[torn gulch]

it is decent

but not good

[strong forum]

its a good stat

but its not your end all be all stat

it doesnt solve missplay

[craggy kelp]

why? my current cloak gives me haste and crit

[lusty tiger]

it is the 4th goodest stat

[uneven mason]

It's a meme that's survived two expansions

[strong forum]

thats fine then

[torn gulch]

since the 100% days in 8.3

:))

[mental scarab]

Stupid bfa vers corruption

[torn gulch]

full vers corruption+that pvp essence

strife or whatever the name was

[craggy kelp]

i got crafted ring that has haste/versa,just need a second ring that i dunno where to get

[uneven mason]

Before that but yeah that's when everyone's noticed it

[strong forum]

court of stars

[oak ivy]

jsom

[craggy kelp]

jsom?

[torn gulch]

jeweled signed of melandruis

[strange chasm]

i feel i could use more crit

[torn gulch]

melandrius*

[chilly brook]

8.3 was the worst thing to happen to this game

[chilly brook]

no

[craggy kelp]

ah cos one

[chilly brook]

you don't "need" more of any stat

[lusty tiger]

no every 8.x patch before it was

[torn gulch]

that ring is giga

[chilly brook]

what you need is to press buttons well

[torn gulch]

if you can get it

[chilly brook]

the only stat that you need is ilvl

[torn gulch]

chaos we've seen an almost naked warrior time a 20
stats are whatever for the most part

[chilly brook]

everything else is largely superfluous and won't improve your game nearly as much as pressing buttons good

[torn gulch]

play is more important

[uneven mason]

8.0, the patch that taught us that blizzard no longer loved us

[torn gulch]

IP on GCD

oh god

[uneven mason]

30% SB gap

At least we had uf

And could do 80% of a groups damage in giga pulling

[lusty tiger]

bfa had like 10 specs that just didnt work lol

[uneven mason]

Until a rock 1 shot us

[oak ivy]

im still running cobalt assembly ring i need a jsom

[chilly brook]

hey man I enjoyed doing 200k dps on trash in the raid

[craggy kelp]

@strong forum beside valut trinkets,which 1 should i try farm ymself?

[chilly brook]

and making my DPS cry about how broken I was the first week of m0s

[uneven mason]

77% uptime on DS

[strong forum]

whetstone

[torn gulch]

or 100k+ dps in junkyard

[strong forum]

hah

imagine not doing 100k in AA as tank

[chilly brook]

and hearing my healer bitch about how I didn't take damage and he had nothing to do

[uneven mason]

This was when DPS did 40k

[strong forum]

[torn gulch]

i don't think i've seen 100k as a tank in AA even at the highest AA's

fair enough

[chilly brook]

all after they were complaining that prot was going to be a bad choice before the xpac dropped

[strong forum]

nah for pwar its pretty common the higher you go

[chilly brook]

[uneven mason]

Bigger pulls

[lusty tiger]

gaming

[strong forum]

cuz lashers dont get killed

during boss

they prio boss

and you just funnel

so your overall gets mega inflated

[uneven mason]

Zul mythic

[chilly brook]

Zul was terrible

both forms

[torn gulch]

i've seen around 80 in very high AA's

full overall

[uneven mason]

The temptations to kill the little adds

[torn gulch]

what level was that AA?

[strong forum]

only 16

[chilly brook]

one just ate your ass, the other you had to stop pressing buttons because otherwise your rogues couldn't pump

[strong forum]

in 20 AA last week i did only 87k

cuz i couldnt pad

[uneven mason]

Fuck rogues, warrior pump

[chilly brook]

Also the Zul bleed was ass

[torn gulch]

would you be able to replicate that in a 25?

[strong forum]

yeah cuz like i said

lashers dont die

[chilly brook]

boss was unbearable without rogues abusing combo point funnel

[torn gulch]

fair enough

[strong forum]

when you check the logs of the 25/26s done

[uneven mason]

It really was, I took solace that it could kill my monk co tank if he didn't press buttons

[strong forum]

all pwars there are doing over 100k dps

[oak ivy]

Am i just pissing damage away by pressing IP in raid cause I'm pulling no lower than a 95% HPS parse on every mythic boss so far but my damage avg is like a 40 and it feels like i have to be spammin IP to not keel tf over

[strong forum]

pwar is a chain reaction spec

so, any mistake you do

draws a tail

[uneven mason]

Although #1 cause of death for monks on zul was rolling off the edge

[strong forum]

im currently coaching a r1 player whos rerolling pwar

hes not doing massive mistakes

but i just do 15-20k more dps on average than him cuz hes missing out on small things

[chilly brook]

I enjoyed my cotank monk not being able to take the full zek'voz combo while my healthbar just didn't move

[strong forum]

not prioritising the right things, not pressing stuff on CD

[chilly brook]

and spell reflecting the dot on the blood boss

[uneven mason]

Literally 95% mitigation "warrior is trash"

[lusty tiger]

hehe my cotank brings his war to tank brood and i had to do a lil coaching

[uneven mason]

Monk could take full.combo on zek, but they'd be at 1hp because stagger couldn't kill them

[lusty tiger]

was dying- suspiciously around 2nd trinket active

🤔

[oak ivy]

What's a reasonable % mit on kurog mythic

[lusty tiger]

block %

of hits taken

[oak ivy]

fair enough

[strong forum]

100%

but anything above 85% in raid is good enough

but goal is obv 100

[oak ivy]

Just wondering bc i'm pulling ~57% mit overall and actual 100 parses for healing (on wipes) and still just feel like im getting squashed

[uneven mason]

Armor * block * .5 (IP)

[lusty tiger]

healing parse on war is

beyond cringe

[uneven mason]

Wat

[sullen valve]

I miss @ionic fern <3

[strong forum]

that sounds mega wrong

like omega wrong

[uneven mason]

Means your not blocking

[torn gulch]

57% mitigation wat?

[uneven mason]

Literally sounds like armor

[lusty tiger]

just remove the idea of a warrior having a healing parse from your brain

[strong forum]

are you pressing shield block?

[torn gulch]

are you spamming IP?

and not pressing sb?

[subtle sparrow]

Healing parse is basically your IP uptime, which comes naturally if you use your other abilities and use IP to prevent rage capping

[uneven mason]

Need log

[oak ivy]

trying to find

found it

fuckign yikes my SB uptime is 60%

[strong forum]

ya das cringe

[toxic pewter]

You prob running into the fray

[uneven mason]

Not even

Just not pressing the button

[toxic pewter]

You prob don’t shield slam enough too I bet

[last mason]

can u get sparks from the hunts and sieges

[strong forum]

anything

[oak ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8rDgGkAyFwB6QXRT#type=auras&fight=31&source=10

[lusty tiger]

jesus

[strong forum]

only 67% blocked hits

[toxic pewter]

Oh you’re talking about raid oops

[strong forum]

thats terible

[lusty tiger]

19 ip cpm

[strong forum]

brother

[ionic fern]

Hope you're doing well. ❤️

[strong forum]

you need to press revenge

and you need to press SB

SB should have 5+ CPm

you only have 1.8

you also never press your offensive CDs

ravager and roar

you missed out on atleast 1 cast

you barely pressed avatar

yeah sounds like you should go hit a target dummy

and practice your rotation

[lusty tiger]

blank_e will be added to the list of born again warriors today

[strong forum]

asap

[toxic pewter]

Holy shit just realized this is mythic kurog 😮

How you make it this far lmao

[subtle sparrow]

Guess warrior really is op

[strong forum]

raid is very easy on tanks

[oak ivy]

acknowledging that pwar hps is cringe,

[strong forum]

but BDK is 2000x better in raid

[uneven mason]

Focus on DPS, SS TC rev, press sb when it's up, hit CDs when they're up, IP when at 75ish rage

[toxic pewter]

Just wild to not press avatar on cd

[strong forum]

healing logs are cringe blanke

sorry

[uneven mason]

Just press button

[strong forum]

but that just means you eat fuckloads of dmg

[uneven mason]

This

[oak ivy]

more SB less IP

press dps buttons

[strong forum]

the less dmg you take, the less hps you need and do

yeah i recommend you to slap target dummy for a few hours

[subtle sparrow]

More revenge.

[strong forum]

until you can maintain atleast 40k dps with raid talents

[subtle sparrow]

2.5 revenge/min

[uneven mason]

We should come in below the DPS for ehrps because of how we work

[plush tendon]

yea, you cant lose to a BDK in damage on Kurog

[strong forum]

you should never do less dmg than a bdk

ever

[plush tendon]

fackz

[lusty tiger]

wtb gavel

[uneven mason]

We need to get slapped harder outside of SB so dudes can't press w into 20s

[plush tendon]

to be fair, the raid fights until Kurog are kind of snoozefest in terms of tank damage

[strong forum]

for example blanke

https://i.imgur.com/ZNKbhcd.png

this is what your CPM should look like

this is yours

[oak ivy]

What I'm getting out of conversation:
100% Uptime on SB
Press revenge
use my fuckin CD's

[strong forum]

yup

[uneven mason]

Press SS TC and rev more

[strong forum]

just pumping IP doesnt make you tanky, pressing all your buttons does

[uneven mason]

But yeah rev is limited your ss resets

[strong forum]

as i explained a few minutes ago, every minor thing draws a rat tail

the more mistakes you do, the weaker youll be, it all stacks up quite alot

[uneven mason]

DPS leads to tankyness

[strong forum]

its not like BDK who just deathstrikes everything

and rofls

[oak ivy]

yeaaaa im coming off the heels of being a BDK main through all of SL

[strong forum]

you almost take as much dmg as a BDK

when bdk normally takes 2x the dmg of any other tank

thats how theyre designed

[uneven mason]

Bdk so hard to heal

[oak ivy]

kappa

[strong forum]

bdk shouldnt be healed

[uneven mason]

"ok he's at 30%, wait no he's full"

[lusty tiger]

u just give them ga

[oak ivy]

there was nothing I enjoyed more in shadowlands than spiking 100K hps on a.. uh.. I forgot his name. Boss before jailer that isn't the dreadlords. wipe

[lusty tiger]

ry

[oak ivy]

gelon

thank you

[lusty tiger]

i think i fell off that fight in lfr like 5 times

[craggy pilot]

i love this, because this is the issue with 90% of the people who ask for help 😄

[lusty tiger]

ye

[craggy pilot]

every single time it can be summed down to this

[oak ivy]

i would say "hard class btw" but i do not have room to talk as we have clearly seen

I will return next wednesday with better logs

[uneven mason]

Press your fucking buttons

[oak ivy]

aye aye captain

[strong forum]

pwar is basically "just fucking send it"

[craggy pilot]

people always say "warrior easy"

then they only press their buttons half the time

and do less dmg 😄

[oak ivy]

treat it like I treat fury

is it off CD? okay. fix that.

[strong forum]

its the easiest tank to play once you got the basics

[lusty tiger]

but nobody asks why u have so much pain to ignore ):

[strong forum]

but obv lots of min maxing to be done

[plush tendon]

and by basics its just press your buttons

[strong forum]

but skill floor is very low

especially in raid

[lusty tiger]

warrior is sexy in raid tbh

feels godly

[strong forum]

brew and bdk are sexier in raid

way more

[plush tendon]

lies!

[lusty tiger]

i wanna get my brew in soon

[uneven mason]

Literally this just treat prot as an unkillable DPS, shield block is your rampage

[plush tendon]

my BDK is a weenie

but grips are nice

[lilac jay]

i have 2x diurna fire procc ring (one with avoidance and one with socket). would u say socket is huge upgrade?

[crystal mauve]

The goal on target dummy is - 40k dps, 100% uptime shield block and IP?

[lusty tiger]

banned

[strong forum]

cant get 100% sb uptime no

[oak ivy]

I hate that this clicks like bigtime

[strong forum]

but closer to 85% with ITF should be good on dummy

[urban bane]

stagger

[strong forum]

and 40k is me being generous with dps 😄

[strong forum]

dodge and CB you mean

[urban bane]

CB is nutso

[craggy pilot]

🤔

PWar best

[strong forum]

personally, yes

but objectively brew and bdk are way better for raid than pwar

defensively

[plush tendon]

why brew? I sort of get why blood might be

[strong forum]

CB

[solemn current]

Am I crazy, 90-95% is pretty achievable with ITF and without Bolster over the course of a a few minutes fight no?

[strong forum]

and dodge

[lusty tiger]

my guardian cotank actually beats me in damage i was surprised

[uneven mason]

SS and tc are rage generators, revenge procs SS, IP is a dump that reduces the CD of avatar and SW

[craggy pilot]

Guardian is king of dmg currently

no surprise here tbh

[strong forum]

only if you have INSANE haste on your gear

[uneven mason]

Is he toi scummer

[lusty tiger]

whats that?

[lilac jay]

both 421 😄

[solemn current]

That's fair I'm probably at like 32% unbuffed

[urban bane]

why would that surprise you, guardian pumps

[lusty tiger]

double banned

[uneven mason]

Thorns of iron, a scuffed spec that causes if to do damage

[strong forum]

oh i just saw, i have 95% block uptime on eggnog

and 92% on council

but on dummy you dont have 5itf stacks

[lusty tiger]

i justs didnt know and also typically am top in tank dam w mostly heroic raiders mythic proggers

[strong forum]

so you wont get to that value

[craggy pilot]

do you have 95% with no HR and no bolster?

[solemn current]

Ah yea I was thinking the 5 target dummies but yea you said 40K which implied ST

[craggy pilot]

just straight ED + Shield Charge?

[uneven mason]

The last round of fixes guardian is crazy for dmg

[crystal mauve]

How big is ITF for raid? Shoul I go with it for prog or stay safe and keep HR?

[lusty tiger]

it feels awesome if u have high cpm

[crystal mauve]

(I've only been doing keys this season)

[strong forum]

ITF on any boss that isnt diurna or rasza

you can play it on kurog, but with new speedkill strat you dont perma tank anymore

[strange chasm]

after talent swap i s till got only avg 10.6 ss cpm 😦

[strong forum]

more practice

[solemn current]

Yea my last Terros was right at 3 minutes and I had 96% with only ED and Shield Charge.

[strong forum]

go slap dummy

[lusty tiger]

no missing ss is the rule

[strange chasm]

dumy is fine for me

i even do dps on dummy worse is on m+

shit dps e ct

[merry trout]

hey, for ruby life pools, what mitigation to use for searing blows?

[strong forum]

SW

nothing else you can do

besides demo shout and sw

rotate between the 2

and healer external

[solemn current]

Crit build and pray for parries 🤣

[strong forum]

ye

[merry trout]

sw is 3.5min cd ?

[strong forum]

SW is 1min CD if you play well

[oak ivy]

I don't suppose I can force warcraft logs to actually take note of a training dummy sesh

[strong forum]

you can

[craggy pilot]

never really had a lot of issues with Searing Blows in RLP

it feels much smaller than the AA bleed 🤔

[strong forum]

ideally, be in a group, turn on combat logging

[craggy pilot]

or is it just me?

[strong forum]

and slap dummy for a bit

it is smaller than crawth

and less frequent

[craggy pilot]

ye and initial hit is blockable

which it isnt in Crawth if i remember correctly?

[strong forum]

ye

[lusty tiger]

dude it is like reclining on a couch tanking her on my brm

[strong forum]

ye

brew is giga strong vs 2nd boss RLP

[lusty tiger]

first boss too

comparatively

i bet bdk is filthy on her

[strong forum]

bdk is filthy on any boss in m+

theyre immortal

[lusty tiger]

yea fits the tank w a brez theme well

[crystal mauve]

In a 22 Tyra I can tell you I needed to rotate SW/ Shout+Last stant/ External

With that setup it was fine tho

[lusty tiger]

on war i treat it basically like 3rd boss TJS

[crystal mauve]

That's about right, I would love to be able to spell block it tho 🙂

[lusty tiger]

yeaaa except that

lol

[uneven mason]

The big issue is that those tankbuster make us go from 0 needed healing to "holy duck he's dead"

[strong forum]

always been the case with unblockable dmg

[lusty tiger]

a tick is like 1/2 my stagger and war is just taking that to the dome

[strong forum]

but people overhyped us during beta

cuz they didnt bother with SL pwar

but we were the same back then

but we were just way harder and didnt have 13% leech for free

[lusty tiger]

we had more ip tho right

[crystal mauve]

Yeah, healer are paying attention to tank busters and don't always know when it happen. The evoker I play with didnd't know he could clear the bleed and wasn't able to set up his UI to see it well, it's too bad cause his CD is busted for this

[strong forum]

nah

[solemn current]

And blizzard decided to throw every bleed and cast at us constantly

[lusty tiger]

blizzard are dwarf supremacists

[strong forum]

ye

dungeon design just didnt favour pwar

and it was 4x harder

cuz banner + reprisal

thats why it wasnt popular

and obv bdk being dumbfuck broken

[oak ivy]

Just a 7ish minute training dummy session but I figure this is closer to what this should look like

[strong forum]

yeah

60%+ is what should be goal

[lusty tiger]

yeeeeeee

60% active?

[solemn current]

Fuck reprisal but I do miss me some banner action. Truly separated the men from the boys. And I just like the movement speed lol.

[strong forum]

ya i miss banner

pwar is too easy now

[strong forum]

lost its edge

[solemn current]

makes it harder to watch tanks in my pugs be bad at it because of that when I'm not tanking. I accept the mid range pugs but when I see it in a 20+ it breaks my heart.

[errant leaf]

reprisal was a banger

[solemn current]

bye

[lusty tiger]

Reprisal on bosses was annoying but big brained

[strong forum]

even quite alot of people in the top 20 of pwar hurt to look at what they do

[errant leaf]

gameplay is boring now

[solemn current]

true

[oak ivy]

now im confused bc my CPM is so low but I had 100% SB

[strong forum]

did you play HR

[oak ivy]

yes

[strong forum]

thats why

[oak ivy]

oh do we get that same crazy multiplicative haste that fury gets from enrage

[chilly brook]

Banner was so pog

[solemn current]

Sorry nothing fun about having to give up your mobility and utility just to still achieve less than complete shield block uptime. It was an extreme skill gap but the playstyle felt more punishing than rewarding. It probably turned a lot of people away from warrior too.

[strong forum]

reprisal was fun from a dmg standpoint

the fact that your survival was bound to it

is what made it shit

but if it was just dmg, it wouldve been 20x better

the min maxing for dmg and rage output was hella fun, SB uptime wasnt

[oak ivy]

and I'm a far cry from the 40k target (28.8)

[strong forum]

dmg breakdown looks better, are you running raid talents?

[craggy pilot]

how much do you sim if you do raidbots.com ?

and which stance are you in?

[oak ivy]

battle niel, checking sim now

[strong forum]

thats not raid talents

[solemn current]

Are you making sure that all of your outburst procs are being thrown into Shield Slam only?

[craggy pilot]

Shcokwave in raid talents 🤔

[oak ivy]

✍️

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDERA

play this

[crystal mauve]

Talking about this, what do you do when SL is on CD for 5sec and you have the proc and no rage... do you wait or screw it and cast TC anyway?

[strong forum]

this should increase your dps by a good 5k

[oak ivy]

Worth burning a GCD or two to get outburst into a SS over TC?

[strong forum]

yes

[oak ivy]

noted

[craggy pilot]

100% yes

on AOE you can slap either

SS for prio or TC for big AOE dmg

[oak ivy]

Gotcha

[craggy pilot]

idk the exact cutoff where TC is better

but i think its 3/4+

[solemn current]

I personally just send the TC if that's the case, but whether it's the right thing to do if I have rage I may or may not have fished for SS procs with Revenge lol

[lusty tiger]

tbh i dont track my outbursts

[subtle sparrow]

You can slam out one or two revenge to get CD reset on SS

[craggy pilot]

its not about the rage

its about the SS dmg

[mellow surge]

What do we think about the crafted versatility wrists for m+? are they any good

or do we just go for belt craft

[craggy pilot]

they are good yes

depends on what other embelish you have

Frostfire belt is needed if you have Ring

[oak ivy]

Question, why overwhelming rage in raid build?

[craggy pilot]

but you can go Belt + Wrist

[mellow surge]

lariat as my first embelissement

[craggy pilot]

why not? helps avoid overcap

[solemn current]

It's both, you can't fish for procs if you don't have rage. I fish for SS if I have the ability to. Unless of course you mean the rage you get from outburst which in case yea the extra rage from SS is also very good.

[strange chasm]

q from your exp does av 20+ is possible w/o skips ( avg pug dps party)

[oak ivy]

Fair enough I suppose

[craggy pilot]

yes

[lusty tiger]

OR feels good- i dont know what id replace it w anyway in raid

[craggy pilot]

it was in +20 Fort at least

[craggy pilot]

as long as u pull properly on the rings

know where to pull multi packs

and how many stops your team can handle

[crystal mauve]

We did it so yes, tighter timer tho, harder if you have a lot of casters too

[oak ivy]

FBV > BV In single target, looking at this talent link?

[strong forum]

no

[crystal mauve]

I thought with 4P BV was alwasy the pick, isn't it?

[craggy pilot]

no

[strong forum]

thats pre-4pc

[oak ivy]

Ahhh. Gtcha

[craggy pilot]

Nome trolling with that link 😄

[oak ivy]

Alright round 2 with boulderfist

[craggy pilot]

i think its just an oversight

[craggy pilot]

slap his ass

he likes it

[strong forum]

i had it in as a note

that you play BrV once 4pc

but now that catalyst is out

can default to BrV

[craggy pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDURA
this is what you have in pins though

[strong forum]

cuz i changed it 10seconds ago

😉

[craggy pilot]

hahahaha

😄

was trying to check where you copied it from 😄 and you were faster than me damn

[solemn current]

Actually that brings me to a good question, what was the purpose in the M+ build now taking Titanic Throw in your pins?

[lusty tiger]

it is pog

have u used it yet?

[craggy pilot]

you have 1 flex talent

you can take Pain+Gain, Bouding Stride or Titanic Throw

or anything else tbh

i usually take Bounding

[solemn current]

yea I'm currently using in Bounding Stride, haven't considered any good uses for TItanic Throw

[lusty tiger]

if u wanna 2x pull titanic throw is god tier

[craggy pilot]

nah, the use case of Bounding Stride, i just use Ravager instead

[solemn current]

Was just curious with why Nom now shows it in the M+ pin build when it used to be on either Pain and Gain or Bounding Stride. Didn't know if there was some tech I wasn't up to date on or something

[craggy pilot]

charge + TC one pack, Ravager the other pack

or charge + TC, Leap + TC

[lusty tiger]

i think hes been on the titanic throw life since pre-raid

iirc thats y i started using it

[solemn current]

He ain't even taking it in his current build on RIO though lmao

[lusty tiger]

NO for example it is handy

[mighty valley]

oh i missed the reprisal convo

[crystal mauve]

My flex point is in fear as it doesn't share the stun DR tbh

[craggy pilot]

just restart it kekw

[solemn current]

Maybe I'll play with it then (at least on not orb works). See if it feels worth putting it on CD and giving up mobility

[lusty tiger]

ye a good 1

[mighty valley]

even when maximizing reprisal we were still one of the most mobile tanks

[lusty tiger]

3rd most mobile?

[solemn current]

Fear doesn't need a flex point you take it without

[mighty valley]

didn't want it to last forever but those were some fun patches tbh

[craggy pilot]

? the build already has fear

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

[oak ivy]

my effing log is tracking other peoples damage but not mine??

There we go

[solemn current]

The wowhead build doesn't take it in their M+ build for whatever stupid reason though. That wowhead build honestly needs to go.

[lusty tiger]

wowhead... has some issues for pwar

[oak ivy]

28.8K -> 33.6, was at ~34.5 before I walked away from dummy

[craggy pilot]

its taking Barbaric Training 😄

[solemn current]

yea it's creating mediocre warriors and I don't like it

[crystal mauve]

You are right, I had it in Wrecking Throw for RLP, my bad 🙂

[solemn current]

Wrecking Throw for RLP, explain?

[oak ivy]

First boss?

[solemn current]

please

[craggy pilot]

so fear + wrecking throw i guess?

[craggy pilot]

😄

next hes gonna say he plays Immovable Object

[solemn current]

I mean shit he might to be on to something with it I just need to know how it's used lol

[lusty tiger]

IO for TJS fort weeks

[oak ivy]

?

oh i see

[crystal mauve]

Shield from the casters in the first section and make adds immune to CC, first boss shield, last pack of trash before last boss to destroy the shield

[craggy pilot]

im memeing if it wasnt clear

[craggy pilot]

kick the shield or purge it

[oak ivy]

o yea no i know i just didnt know the talent you were talking abt

[craggy pilot]

😄

[oak ivy]

While we're on the note of M+ talents any changes advisable for a general purpose M+ build here?

[solemn current]

What kind of damage is doing for you in there with the global and point?

[oak ivy]

take BT off in favor of..

[crystal mauve]

No purge in the group and I play with two casters so I'm doing my best here lol

[craggy pilot]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

[crystal mauve]

1 cast is around 60k dmg

[solemn current]

-.-

[craggy pilot]

sounds like your DPS is pepega if you need to Wrecking throw to break shields in RLP

but idk

anything helps i guess

[lusty tiger]

waiiit lol

like on the last pack?

[solemn current]

Thought you were about to hit me with a "look at all these shields you can do several hundred thousand damage to them with" not gonna lie

[crystal mauve]

It might be a bad idea, I don't know but it helped a bit, I tried my best guys sorry lol

[craggy pilot]

thats the spirit

but it shouldnt be needed is what were saying

[oak ivy]

No thunderlord?

[craggy pilot]

nah

Battering Ram > Thunderlord

[crystal mauve]

I meant 60k per cast, it depend how many casts you have, overall it's about 400k dmg I think

[solemn current]

No I know what you meant That ain't even work the global vs the benefits and damage of your other abilities though honestly. I thought maybe it would hit harder like it does with Fury and Arms

[wide dragon]

I was messing aroun with talents, are we just not allowed to take spear of bastion?

[lusty tiger]

ss crit unbuffed does like 60k

[compact forum]

if we're talking bad talent point choices, can someone convince me why dropping thunderous roar and going full shockwave/sonic boom/rumbling earth is a bad idea? Seems like the aoe stun every 25 seconds would outweigh the 90 second roar?

[lusty tiger]

u caaaaaaan

but like

y

[wide dragon]

no i know. it was all hypothetical

[craggy pilot]

making ur stun into a DPS cooldown is just really bad

and it does same or less dmg than Roar

[tropic tangle]

stun DRs, and having to use your AOE stop to do damage is dumb

[wide dragon]

i cant get the tree to unlock it for me though

[craggy pilot]

you want to use your Stun for STOPS not DMG

[lusty tiger]

that and its still less damage going swave > tr

[lusty tiger]

u gotta drop cc and rav i think

[wide dragon]

cruel strikes requires 2 points

disregard, I am dumb

[craggy pilot]

😄

[oak ivy]

Not particularly important atm obviously but can Titanic Throw hit explosives on its own? or you'd have to target it as usual

[crystal mauve]

The conclusion is - do not take it, sorry buys I tried lol

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uhvdRSfKb8KVaiCkYSyEXc

9% less dmg

[solemn current]

To be honest beyond losing TR damage, you're also losing Rend and Deep Wounds damage in addition to losing Wild Strikes which is huge in proc'ing more Shield Slams. You can take it, but it really ain't worth

[craggy pilot]

and you have to use your Stun for DMG 😄

[crystal mauve]

You have to target it but a mouse over macro works (and I think you meant heroic throw)

[foggy loom]

everyone else get this?

[solemn current]

There might be some math to say it could be beneficial to the first boss shield but it's really about whether it's worth the point and I can't imagine it being worth it in AoE

[crystal mauve]

In AOE no, but the idea was to make the shield break faster on 1st boss and last trash. It might not be worth it overall tho

[craggy pilot]

oh wait wtf, the sim isnt using Shockwave on CD 🤔

[lusty tiger]

yea china is putting their blizard licence money into collecting our data now

[solemn current]

Last trash is a non issue, and honestly the first boss should be as well. I'd feel different if it hit more like it did for Arms or Fury where it did like 250K per cast though. Just my opinion.

[craggy pilot]

@strong forum would it make sense to add Shockwave to APL when running Sonic Boom? 🤔 or is it just pure troll

and why not run Bloodborne in ST build over Armor Spikes? Since you only actually tank the boss 50% of the time

[crystal mauve]

You are probably right, I'll see next time how well we do without it. Realistically tho, I don't know if any other talent would have been that much better...? Wondering what you would pick instead? Pain and Gain maybe?

[oak ivy]

how legal is shitposting in here

I do believe I have crafted the BIS talent build for all scenarios. Hear me out.

[craggy pilot]

kek

all utility

no dam 😄

[solemn current]

You said you weren't taking Fear for it so definitely that. Better for helping get stray casts interrupted

[craggy pilot]

you missed Fear

[oak ivy]

what do I drop for it

crushing force

[rough egret]

And SB

[craggy pilot]

BIS

[rough egret]

And SW

[crystal mauve]

no I have fear by default at all time, how do you think I deal with all these casts with two casters 40 yards away? haha
Especially in RLP where there is a lot of casts you can't kick at all

[wide charm]

drop outburst, pick bolster

[solemn current]

In that case if you're using Flex point for it yea P&G, Bounding Stride, or I guess Titanic Throw based on some of these people rooting for it lol

[craggy pilot]

and Booming Voice for Spell Block

[oak ivy]

way ahead of you

[craggy pilot]

thats what i said 15min ago 🤔

did we finally get to the same conclusion? 😄

[solemn current]

naw he just asked so I answered it

[kindred rapids]

was searching for a response in prev message but didnt saw it. On razaegth Mythic spell block is really a think?

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-gif-26519891

[kindred rapids]

or it just dont help anymore

[craggy pilot]

^

[wide charm]

i take the talent under pain and gain in cos

[kindred rapids]

it feel he never block or help in any point from the pull i got allready

[craggy pilot]

beautiful

[solemn current]

^

[oak ivy]

ballpark how much does P&G actually come out to of your overall hps

[wide charm]

the 1 sec cd off interrupt

so u can solo the construct heals

[strong forum]

should be in the APL

[crystal mauve]

Yes

[craggy pilot]

it doesnt for me 🤔

[strong forum]

with 100% uptime nails is better, but yes BB does gain value in raid

[craggy pilot]

lemme just send you 1 sec

[strong forum]

but not required

[kindred rapids]

tyty

[solemn current]

about 5%, I'm convinced my leech and Indom would just do it instead though

[craggy pilot]

ye, is there a way to sim realistic Nails for raid?

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5eGGo5X3kZYexjJT9MLhgD

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/JjMmd1Z.png

the line is in

[craggy pilot]

weird

its not getting used 🤔

[strong forum]

cuz you play rumbling earth

which makes sonic boom worse

dont play rumbling earth

[craggy pilot]

how so?

[strong forum]

read what unstoppable force does

[craggy pilot]

oh the CDR from both dont stack?

[strong forum]

read

what

it

says

on unstoppable force

[craggy pilot]

ye 50% Shockwave dam

[strong forum]

during avatar

[craggy pilot]

but with Rumbling Force you can get 2x Shockwave during avatar no?

ah wait no its 25sec

[strong forum]

you desync Shockwave from avatar

and then get less dmg as a result

[solemn current]

So just play worse so you get less Avatar uptime easy solution

[craggy pilot]

^ 🤣

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2LLPaGjJycprK3H1TYJG6L

ye ok shockwave still less dam
@compact forum

lol every single wowhead talent build is using Barbaric Training 🤔

and using AOE talents for Eranog, which idk if is needed unless on Mythic?

[strong forum]

eranog is all about padding on adds

for logging

[craggy pilot]

ye for parsing

but didnt think WoWhead guides were for Parsing

but for General build

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

idk

[craggy pilot]

since its taking Barbaric Training 🤣

[strong forum]

llarold likes it apparently

[craggy pilot]

why you said dont run ITF on Dathea + Rasz btw?

[strong forum]

diurna*

in rasz you are never stacked with your raid, therefor ITF sucks

diurna you tank 100% of the time

[craggy pilot]

tru

and on Diurna you run AOE talents if you are on adds?

or nah?

[strong forum]

ye

[oak ivy]

What's the consensus on taking intervene with the sole intent of using it to eat fenrir's scent of blood

[strong forum]

good

[oak ivy]

bet

[craggy pilot]

so something like this for ST raid all purpose

and then i swap Honed Reflex -> Seismic
Sudden Death -> Show of Force
Instigate -> Bloodsurge
for AOE 🤔

and for Rasz+Diurna i just swap ITF for HR on the respectable AOE/ST builds

and potentially swap SD for Disrupting Shout on Dathea, for add silence

or is it better to have both Honed Reflex + Seismic in AOE? 🤔

[strong forum]

almost nobody plays honed reflexes tbf

but ye disruptive on dathea

[craggy pilot]

ye i never do

but i see its picked on a lot of ST builds

idk what else to take? 🤔

Pain+Gain maybe

[strong forum]

ye

[urban portal]

imagine not playing jug+SD+mass to be funny

full pad

thats my "carry the bros through LFR" setup

[craggy pilot]

jug?

[urban portal]

jug is choiced wtih punish

[oak ivy]

what do we think the sweet spot is between:

• I want to finish this key painlessly and quickly with pug shitters
• I want decent ilvl drops so i dont have to put 3k valor into a ring

[urban portal]

not even sure if thats a dps ups

[craggy pilot]

ohhh

i see 🤣

ill sim it real quick why not

[sullen yarrow]

do anyone of you playing fury/arms aswell? i currently play m+ only (prot keys around 22) i was thinking to recraft my lariat/ring to haste/mastery or crit. does you feel any difference with "lower" versa ?

[urban portal]

i dont think the rotation is very optimal with execute

vers is a joke

[strong forum]

vers doesnt matter

[craggy pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vKtUAqU2YrzU2YVEnZn1C

[sullen yarrow]

hm, idk what would be better haste/mastery or haste/crit if you want to play both dps specs? i guess haste/mastery?

[strong forum]

mastery for fury

crit for arms

[sullen yarrow]

yeah thats whats recommend but if you want to play both? 😄 idk which one i like more tbh

[urban portal]

thats for you to decide

crit is better for prot and arms

but really bad for fury

[sullen yarrow]

well i guess a run few more keys and find out which spec i like more

[sudden palm]

I’m so high on haste/vers it’s kinda sad when I go Arms (which is kinda frequent)

I wish I had more sparks to craft stuff and have multiple gear sets

[low kindle]

I played massacre + Ashen for M Raza, was pretty good p3 dam

[modern tiger]

On RaidBots, does Devastator damage get rolled into Melee? I'm simming about half of what it says my Melee dmg should be, but the sim doesn't have Devastator listed as a damage source at all, which Details does. Together they seem to match up with RaidBots

[urban portal]

[charred ivy]

first boss AA wich classes can clear the stacks?

[tacit haven]

the poson? paladin at least

[lusty tiger]

Pally, monk, shaman

Any spec

[craggy pilot]

not shaman yet

[tacit haven]

if they're talented into it btw

which they should be for AA tbf

[amber siren]

evoker too

[lofty widget]

only healer that cant is priest

after 10.0.7

[icy bane]

Just always take evoker for AA

God tier for crawth, good tier for tree

[craggy pilot]

Shaman can cleanse it after 10.0.7

but currently they cant

[uneven mason]

TFW they make required dispells, doesn't make it so every healer can cure it

[urban portal]

"meaningful choices"

[slim dove]

Dps of those classes can clear also.

You can kite

[uneven mason]

Also ironic because shaman used to be the best poison cure

"I got a totem for that"

[craggy pilot]

they will be again after 10.0.7 i guess

[amber siren]

priests will be giga for brackenhide next season so it'll balance out surely

[craggy pilot]

why priest specifically?

[lusty tiger]

Disease cleanse

[uneven mason]

I hope that dungeon never becomes a m+

[craggy pilot]

are they the only who can cleanse disease? 🤔

[uneven mason]

Paladins

Tbh they just need to give every healer a "remove debuff"

[amber siren]

Meant as a joke since a lot of classes can do disease too

[craggy pilot]

ah

which classes?

all i guess?

[uneven mason]

Did clean + power infusion

[amber siren]

Monk, paladin and priest I think are it? Maybe evoker cauterize

[remote arrow]

Horn of valor 421 a good trinket purely for dps at low keys?

[true patrol]

What do we train ruby whelp? I have it 6/6 AoE but does only 2-3% of my damage

[agile elbow]

ST

[strong forum]

no

devastator is its own dmg source, or well should be its own dmg source

[lusty tiger]

farm a better trinket

[cinder storm]

Would it be toxic to ask people to do 65-70k st dam depending on class, depleted 2 aa 22 yesterday at crawth and while both fight lasted close to 3:50, I was checking other people's logs and my issue there was lack of st

From dps

[strong forum]

ST is what times keys, not overall

[true patrol]

haha probably right

[cinder storm]

Like I don't want to come across as toxic or demanding but I had the impression each dps doing at least 65k instead of 60k would've made it super smooth

[urban portal]

@modern tiger yeah its rolled in

for sims

[crystal mauve]

I just got a Declaration of flame heroic yesterday but it feels incredibly underwhelming, is there anything better I can farm in keys? I have pretty much all trinket but don’t know which one to put valor into (whetstone 415 already)
Ive seen a lot of sims with great results for the crafter deck but I’m not so sure about this (I tried on my Dk but it felt underwhelming too)

[strong forum]

its a mega meh trinket, best bet is just other raid trinkets

[modern tiger]

Thank you. That was the only way I could rationalize the math.

[crystal mauve]

I just got the rasz trinket too (411) but I’m not sure about this either

[strong forum]

its not half bad

[crystal mauve]

Should I just go Hoof for better burst window?

[strong forum]

yeah its your best bet from m+ trinkets

[crystal mauve]

Alright, whetstone/hoof it is then. Not a fan of double on use trinket but this is it

[quiet minnow]

do you guys get routes from keystone guru or make your own/

[cinder storm]

Depends on your key level, all keys can be press W

[quiet minnow]

nice

i can do that

[south plume]

Fierce Illimited Diamond, Energized Ysemerald, Quick Ysemerald fine to place in lariat?

[torn gulch]

it will definitely be a m+ dungeon and after 1-2 weeks of everyone bricking keys left and right it will get gradually nerfed like rlp

[lusty tiger]

it already got nerfed pre-raid

[torn gulch]

oh it will need more

[lusty tiger]

ye most likely

[torn gulch]

some stuff in there will pulverise peeps in m+

i hope they keep that tree splinter trinket intact i quite like it

[lusty tiger]

very handy for some things

[torn gulch]

yeah in high keys you might need a defensive trinket like that for certain abilities

if eye of the storm and underrot come like the rumours say

i can already think of some things

[lusty tiger]

underrot would be dope

[agile elbow]

Why can't we get a nice Freehold or an actual fun dungeon. 🙃

[torn gulch]

tbh underrot is a new rumor shrine was a older rumor

[timid thicket]

Picked up a spiteful storm heroic. Pondering what to wear now between mythic decoration, heroic grieftorch, heroic incarnate

[torn gulch]

underrot is fine

third boss in underrot is exactly like first boss in azure

you have mushrooms instead of arcane trees

[agile elbow]

Well, you gotta dodge balls instead of picking up adds and avoiding the ground explosion.

And, yet, somehow.. people still can't manage to do either very well. 🙃

[torn gulch]

it is what it is

[uneven mason]

That cloud in last boss is such shit, not looking forward to it

[torn gulch]

i can imagine some affix combos there will be actual aids

quaking comes to mind

storming prob as well

[uneven mason]

Underrott as kind as we can vr offa spores still

[torn gulch]

i mean there is no reason to change that

underrot is quite a fun dungeon tbh

shrine less so

shrine will make the community mald so hard

and make prot warrs gods in there because of SR

i am actually looking forward to ptr next month probably

for 10.1

[uneven mason]

Ur during prideful

Big win

[urban portal]

isnt underrot a LOT of walking

[timid thicket]

My thoughts are that brackenhide, halls of infusion, uldaman and neltharus are all gonna be pretty long dungeons

So the 4 old ones should be short to balance it out

[mighty valley]

i don't really care about underrot mechanics, the vibes are stinky

i feel nasty being in there

don't make me go, blizzard

[timid thicket]

Wtb maw of souls

[agile elbow]

Upper/Lower BRS Megadungeon when

[mighty valley]

the only strike against maw is that everyone who played legion at the time ran it four billion times

but god that was like 6 years ago now, it's time

[timid thicket]

If every dungeon was like 20 min I would so happy. I've started to hate NO and HOV with a passion

[daring marlin]

mos never happening

Manifesting Shrine tho

🧠

[daring marlin]

Not a fan of blood, disease and other sticky shit?

Second boss is aids

[mighty valley]

it's honestly the weird dry grey shit everywhere that squicks me out the most

splatter me with blood all day long, that's fine

[carmine wadi]

guys one question is somebody of you using horn of valor?

[uneven mason]

No

I guess some could but it's not great

Pretty low budget

[carmine wadi]

ok because have it in my vault or some wrists in 415 vs the wrists 2pc from the stormset

[uneven mason]

Like what trinkets are you using

[carmine wadi]

when i sim raidbot tells me the 385 wrists + 385 chest is better than the 411 wrists...

[twin comet]

What m+ trinkets should I start farming?

[uneven mason]

Whetstone

[carmine wadi]

the one from courts and i have a ruby shell or master totem

[uneven mason]

Hoof, shell

[twin comet]

Whetstone is CoS isn't it?

[uneven mason]

Like alltoten whetstone is bis

[carmine wadi]

so i think i just take the wrists i mean they have lot more stamina then the 385

the 2pc of the 385 gives me 300 secondary

but no thank is running it so i think its not that worth

[uneven mason]

That's a lot of ilvl for sure to use 385s

Take wrists, craft a chest

[wind vigil]

Is it possible to tank with dps gear in high keys.?

[lilac jay]

What do you mean DPs gear? Trinkets? Yes ofc

[lusty tiger]

as long as u have a shield and 1h

dps trinkets are bis for tanking

[vestal lintel]

All totem 408 with Avoidance or Flame 402 with Leech for M+?

[lusty tiger]

totem

[vestal lintel]

Flame better for raid?

[lusty tiger]

idk

not great in general

[vestal lintel]

Aiiiight

tyty

[uneven mason]

Wat

This not wotlk, we have one set of gear, and it's for pumping

[oak ivy]

^^^

[lusty tiger]

i mean

let the guy at least explain wtf "dps gear" is

[jagged pier]

he means pieces without vers probs

[lusty tiger]

that would make me sadge

[uneven mason]

Imagine carrying vers gear

[rose flicker]

is my health suppose to be on the verge of dying after the beam of light from hryja?

[lusty tiger]

Depends on key level

It sorta ya

[rose flicker]

18-20ish

[lusty tiger]

Ye I mean I get pretty low

Another fight to kinda treat like 3rd boss RLP

[sick sentinel]

im doing baby keys for valor farm if i log on

200 per run, 2-3 runs upgrade any item once, 15-20 minutes a run max, no stress

[uneven mason]

Stack some CD

But yeah kame hame ha burns a bit

[rose flicker]

i keep spell reflect for it and demo shout if im lucky. pool up rage for IP before it hits but it feels like im on deaths edge constantly

is that just a "i trust my healer to top me up" moment?

[uneven mason]

Might wanna just sw

[jagged pier]

might want to use your defences

like your supposed too

[uneven mason]

Because that's the big yeet that can't be blocked

[jagged pier]

hyja can be spell blocked

[lusty tiger]

Should be dstance swapping too

[uneven mason]

Woof Jakey you make it sound like the poor fellow wasn't pressing buttons

How we play prot

[rose flicker]

as in swapping between the 2 sides of the room?

[lusty tiger]

As in swapping to d stance to eat the beam

[uneven mason]

Defensive stance for the yeet

[jagged pier]

i mean he said what hes pressing

[rose flicker]

oh

well i am on d stance too during beams

[uneven mason]

Here's the wait, you mean use battle

[lusty tiger]

Dstance+sr+ip is bare minimum to survive at all

But u can weave sw for 1, LS for another, then hopefully sw is up again lol

[uneven mason]

Will have SW up for most, and yeah low cost talent swap grab spell block

[lusty tiger]

Ye spell block will cover the down time

Also if ur healer has a dr u can just ask for that on beam # x

[rose flicker]

noted

[round pendant]

Does "almost" dead matter? If it's not killing you what's the problem

[uneven mason]

I imagine if they put spell block on anger management the druid discord would literally light on fire

[lusty tiger]

Tbh tho I’m not sure if healers need their dr for the lighting storm

[uneven mason]

DPS need to be self reliant during that

Imo, heal themselves like real gamers

[lusty tiger]

I meant for themself

Since some healers have more trouble healing themselves than others

[graceful cobalt]

wich race is on Hord best for Protection Warrior? (Racial)