Jeh, on higher than 20's you would start relying on defensives / health pots etc.
#protection
ionic fern
brittle silo
Isn't it like 380 vs 650% diff on 20 vs 24?
ionic fern
But on 20's it should be w/e.
ionic fern
A healer can carry that one alone.
kindred furnace
you're having to tell your rogue to press feint it's a free dr
topaz field
but not the average pug healer for 20s i would say
ionic fern
Imagine having to micromanage your DPS players / healers so they can do their job.
"Okay rogue, now press X".
kindred furnace
telling them to press other stuff i understand but feint is not the one i'd expect
brittle silo
Tank got a lead ----> lead their lives
ionic fern
I hate people not putting effort into learning their classes/abilities.
kindred furnace
cloak maybe
brittle silo
cloak maybe
feint is OP. 40% aoe DR on close to 0 cd
jagged pier
I hate people not putting effort into learning their classes/abilities.
I hate when guilds extended for no reason 
topaz field
dps are dumb af
ionic fern
And only good rogues bait literally every Fenryr leap with Vanish.
kindred furnace
I know, i'm saying why would someone not hit feint
ionic fern
topaz field
i mean they cannot any longr unless they are outlaw
ionic fern
i mean they cannot any longr unless they are outlaw
Everyone's a Outlaw.
topaz field
lmao
topaz field
nobody plays outlaw anymore because they all see high key rogues playing sub
and they obviously have to play what jpc plays
topaz field
maybe im trolling but i havent seen an outlaw for weeks
brittle silo
Maybe on high-end keys they know how to decide spec based on needs and not just FoTM ^^ idk
ionic fern
Maybe on high-end keys they know how to decide spec based on needs and not just ...
JHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA.
Nice one.
topaz field
xD
brittle silo
on <=22 it's sub all the way for me :v
ionic fern
Here's a 24 i did yesterday.
SBG, arguably a lot of feintable damage
.He used it 4 times.
topaz field
yep
thats what i mean
clowning
in RLP on all the elementals rogues dont feint
and make my life miserable as heal
brittle silo
1st and 3rd boss u should feint on cd pretty much I'd say
But my rog is 385 ilvl tho so not gonna trashtalk them
topaz field
im surprised he lives horn of valor without feint
imagine using boon more often than feint
disgusting
topaz field
being dead is even less dmg
brittle silo
feint is kinda w/e. I'm more concerned about only 4 crimson phials on a 24 ^^
brittle silo
and 2 kidneys
pallid quiver
He's gotta pump, bro
strong forum
feint is kinda w/e. I'm more concerned about only 4 crimson phials on a 24 ^^
Wdym, 1 on each boss + 1 for style points, surely thats enough
brittle silo
Kidney's busted.
Imagine using it more.
20s cd 6s stun. All the trash tankbusters can be stopped on sbg ^^
That said, it's almost 15k dispatch on the other hand ^^
brittle silo
<a:peepodrive:810655714720088105>
remote venture
Hello! I have question about IP, what is its's cap? e.g. when I cast IP for full rage, will it always cap?
Does my taltens and 4 tier bonus add it up?
round pendant
Hello! I have question about IP, what is its's cap? e.g. when I cast IP for full...
Think it's like 30% of max health, right?
remote venture
So the IP shield can only be 30% of max health?
brittle silo
it's more
remote venture
Can it be more then 30% of your max hp if you cast IP?
lofty widget
It is 30% of your current Max hp
remote venture
ignoring 50% of damage taken, up to [(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)] total damage prevented. The Tool tip says "Up to" so I thought it was up to max cap?
round pendant
I've had it at 194k and I definitely don't have like 600k max hp
remote venture
So it can stack?
lofty widget
LS, rally priest buff etc All increase the cap
brittle silo
ye. I spoke bullshit. It's up to 30%
ionic fern
The cap is 30% of your HP.
round pendant
Huh, maybe I misread it then, or I had a hp buff
remote venture
So if I cast IP and it' only have 15% of mt max hp, then cast it again? I will cap it?
paper nexus
The thing that infuriates me more than anything in raiding is people not using pots/healthstones and proceed to die from ticking damage
ionic fern
If you use Bolster/Rallying or whatever else it will increase the cap.
If you don't let it drop after the Bolster/Rallying ends then it will keep the increased cap until IP is fully absorbed.
brittle silo
So if I cast IP and it' only have 15% of mt max hp, then cast it again? I will c...
It might, yes.
ionic fern
So if I cast IP and it' only have 15% of mt max hp, then cast it again? I will c...
Don't worry about capping IP.
It's a non topic.
Don't even think about it.
remote venture
I just want to understand how it works
ionic fern
remote venture
Becasue my friend says from the logs I use IP a lot less then other top prot WArrios
round pendant
Because you should press it even when you're going to overcap it
Rage too high? press IP
pallid quiver
It's an off GCD rage dump
remote venture
Yes, it's good.
pallid quiver
If playing well, you press it a lot without any regard as to whether it's up or not
or if you'll cap or whatever
ionic fern
So if I cast IP and it' only have 15% of mt max hp, then cast it again? I will c...
It's not 15% and 15% per cast.
IP has a formula which calculates how big of a IP cast you get.
It's just that IP can't go higher than 30% of your max HP.
remote venture
I have just used Revanege as rage dumper and didnt feel I need to do more with.
ionic fern
pallid quiver
Any rage that is lost to overcap is lost:
Outburst rage
CD reduction from Anger Management
Indom healing
remote venture
Yes
pallid quiver
"55% of any particular damage event"
kindred furnace
If you’re actively tanking with cds rolling you’ll have way way way too much rage to just revenge it away
Also if you’re using revenge you’re not using shield slam
Or thunderclap
brittle silo
I have just used Revanege as rage dumper and didnt feel I need to do more with.
Get logs of your key and see how much ragewaste u have. I though aswell that revenge is enough not to overcap. Boi was I wrong
round pendant
How do I see rage waste?
brittle silo
warcraftlogs only
round pendant
I've logged all my shit
brittle silo
details cant show that
round pendant
Just dunno where to find it
brittle silo
resources - > rage
remote venture
Get logs of your key and see how much ragewaste u have. I though aswell that rev...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MJA7ZdQta1wGmvnN#fight=last&type=casts&source=4 Here is my logs. I ask feedback before and I see I use Revenge a lot
round pendant
if I'm wasting like less than 5% of my total gain that's not bad yeah?
brittle silo
if I'm wasting like less than 5% of my total gain that's not bad yeah?
yes
lofty widget
Less than 1% is good
ionic fern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MJA7ZdQta1wGmvnN#fight=last&type=casts&sour...
SS->TC and then Revenge.
Your priority is wrong.
brittle silo
less then 1% is god. U mispelled
lofty widget
Not Hard really, but its ideal
warm plinth
<:wicked:937093876857045012>
😏
pallid quiver
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MJA7ZdQta1wGmvnN#fight=last&type=casts&sour...
You wasted 1100 rage alone on SS casts
so 1100 rage you gained from SS
just out the window
remote venture
I agree, I can see it now. I need to use IP often then I do
warm plinth
Holy fuck that's a lot of rage wasted 😟
ionic fern
I agree, I can see it now. I need to use IP often then I do
Start with the basics..your rotational priority is all wrong.
brittle silo
- 2.5k on top of that. that.s 3.6k rage that could go into anger management
ionic fern
It should be SS->TC and only then Rage spenders like IP/Revenge.
pallid quiver
Your overall CPM is 45.2, and when doing the rotation properly you should be at around 60, so
remote venture
Start with the basics..your rotational priority is all wrong.
I cap to often so I try to rage dump with revenage but I should just use IP and SS more
pallid quiver
I'd recommend heading to a dummy and working on the muscle memory for the base rotation and priority
ionic fern
round pendant
Damn I actually waste a lot of rage
brittle silo
@ionic fern, about prio. Is that 'allowed' when out of rava/roar to prio rev/tc at the start of the pull in other to get some threat? Or blame dps for not letting me get threat
kindred furnace
are you talking aoe?
brittle silo
ye
warm plinth
I mean if you need threat then you need threat
pallid quiver
I mean
You gotta get threat somehow
warm plinth
Threat is more important than damage
brittle silo
AA treetrash pull for example
kindred furnace
thunderclap into shield charge
pallid quiver
That's more important than your DPS ever, since it's why you even exist
brittle silo
I like going vexa->bird->tree
remote venture
Thanks for the feedback, I see what I can improve with my roatiron now.
kindred furnace
usually should be more threat than you would need
brittle silo
and sometimes I'm dry af after bird
kindred furnace
you also surely have aoe taunt up after bird
brittle silo
In that case I prio revenge over SS proc if possible just to get any threat. Wondering if there's some better/easier way
pallid quiver
The only time you can really blame DPS for pulling threat is if they're popping all CDs and ST'ing the ever living shit out of a non-prio, no damage, minimal concern ass mob
brittle silo
you also surely have aoe taunt up after bird
ofc, but playing with ranged's I dont always hit all mobs with aoe
For example if flies 'agitate' to china
warm plinth
You should already have established threat by the time they agitate
kindred furnace
they only do that after like 5-10 seconds
brittle silo
Ye, so before that I'm revenge spamming. That's what was the question about. Once I'm 20s into a pull I'm flooded with rage/threat 😄
hardy snow
dont forget AoE tuant, its very useful
warm plinth
You don't need to revenge spam. Like you run in, you TC, you demo, you shield charge, nothing should come off you at that point really unless you just stop pressing buttons
kindred furnace
also once rend is applied you can roar, if they don't let it come into melee that's a different problem
but if the mobs get to you, you should have no aggro issues
brittle silo
also once rend is applied you can roar, if they don't let it come into melee tha...
It's no rava/no roar scenario
kindred furnace
ahh
brittle silo
once in rava/roar it's like impossible to loose threat
kindred furnace
also you probably have avatar tho
ionic fern
One of your main goals as a tank is to keep aggro.
You do what you need to depending on the situation.
No CD's?
-Charge into TC into Revenge into SS
-AoE taunt
-ST taunt - Leap - ST taunt
-Shockwave at the beginning if needed
kindred furnace
which is tc every other global
ionic fern
Got plenty of tools to deal with it.
brittle silo
One of your main goals as a tank is to keep aggro.
You do what you need to depen...
Ye, I do that. Was just wondering about SS > TC > everything else prio if that got it's usage in that situations
ionic fern
No, that's just a generic rotation to follow since our whole spec is based on generating/using Rage.
After you have established initial threat in such a scenario you can continue with the "normal" rotation.
round pendant
Sometimes I get so dried up on rage and everything refuses to proc anything
literally dunno what to do in that situation
might start leap charging
I mean clearly I pressed IP one too many times or something
kindred furnace
leapcharge is good if position/frontals aren't a threat
kindred furnace
sw? shield wall?
brittle silo
shockwave
brittle silo
if you have wall u dont need to leap for ragegen I'd say 😄
acoustic fjord
Yknow I gotta be honest. DF prot is my favorite iteration or prot. Tuning aside, to me it feels like butter to play.
mental scarab
brittle silo
Yknow I gotta be honest. DF prot is my favorite iteration or prot. Tuning aside,...
spell block filled everything I lacked in SL
acoustic fjord
So nice
stuck basin
would like to have beserk rage back baseline...
acoustic fjord
what should my uptime on shield block be roughly?
ive been keeping it up a lot
like a loooot
strong flax
How do you guys open in Multitarget Scenarios in m+ when you have everything up? I feel like i m doing a lot less dps than other Tanks not even in dungeon also in raid. Our blood dk tank outdpses me like in most of the Fights...
strong flax
Uff kk
strong flax
Please dont be Harsh xD
Just filled in tank slot like first/second mythic raid as a tank
jagged pier
Im at work i cant look
craggy pilot
How do you guys open in Multitarget Scenarios in m+ when you have everything up?...
"blood dk, outdps" Hmm sounds kinda sus ngl
warm plinth
Please dont be Harsh xD
craggy pilot
@strong flax what stance are you in?
@strong flax you have a bit of wasted rage, and you have LOOOOONG periods where you dont press Revenge, like 1min where you dont press Revenge
you need to keep uptime of your 2set for 5% dmg
craggy pilot
Terros
strong flax
Kk
warm plinth
Yeah you're basically just not pressing Revenge nearly enough
IP is a rage dump primarily, not something you spam
craggy pilot
and swap Endurance Training + Barbaric Training
just get a WA for tracking Vanguards Determination
as long as u press it ever 3 globals ur good for 2set
ur TC usage could be a bit higher also
not too bad, you have 74% usage of TC according to wowanalyzer
mostly you seem to be wasting rage when you Demo Shout
jagged pier
Please dont use analyser its out of date and not maintained
craggy pilot
so just pop an IP before you demo shout, if you are going to overcap
craggy pilot
Please dont use analyser its out of date and not maintained
even the TC/SS usage?
strong flax
y thx 4 your help i will later get a wa for 2p set
warm plinth
I'm surprised anyone even knows what wowanalyzer is anymore. It literally has been useless for like 2 expansions.
craggy pilot
i know its out of date, which is why i only take few things from it
jagged pier
even the TC/SS usage?
All of it if its out of date its likely to not work correctly
craggy pilot
I'm surprised anyone even knows what wowanalyzer is anymore. It literally has b...
we try to use it in our pepega guild, cus it makes it way easier for people to understand what they fuck up
no one knows what logs mean
pseudo edge
um is there an issue with Electrified Jaws on Heroic Ras - hitting twice if you spell block one earlier?
vocal nimbus
Is there any reliable way to move centaur archers from the beginning of nokhud?
warm plinth
Yeah but if it's not maintained then you have no idea if it's giving you correct information
craggy pilot
Is there any reliable way to move centaur archers from the beginning of nokhud?
DK grip
😄
or idk if that even works lul
jagged pier
Yeah but if it's not maintained then you have no idea if it's giving you correct...
THIS
jagged pier
um is there an issue with Electrified Jaws on Heroic Ras - hitting twice if you ...
Not that i know of
craggy pilot
Yeah but if it's not maintained then you have no idea if it's giving you correct...
sad
i used it a lot to tell my guildies they are shit on classes where i have no clue about the rotation
ionic fern
I'm surprised anyone even knows what wowanalyzer is anymore. It literally has b...
IT wasn't last expansion.
It was well maintained.
For Prot.
warm plinth
I just meant in general, not necessarily for prot
It was unmaintained for the majority of specs in shadowlands
craggy pilot
ionic fern
Ah,okay.
kindred furnace
if you look at your guildmates cd usage you can probably find their low dps there
craggy pilot
15 specs up to date
kindred furnace
that's the issue like 75% of the time lol
craggy pilot
if you look at your guildmates cd usage you can probably find their low dps ther...
how do i see CD usage in % though?
like i can see CPM, but i usually dont know how much its supposed to be at
is % visible in logs?
kindred furnace
oh you just go to buffs and look per class
craggy pilot
15/38 up to date specs on WowAnalyzer 😄
warm plinth
what do you mean in %
craggy pilot
thats without counting the 10.0.0
warm plinth
Well yeah you wouldn't count 10.0.0 that's prepatch
craggy pilot
what do you mean in %
like if a person uses his CD every time, he would get 100%
if he delays for 1min every 1min CD, he would get 50%
fx idk how high CPM a fire mage should have of combust 🤷♂️
warm plinth
Fight Length / Spell CD = maximum uses
craggy pilot
Fight Length / Spell CD = maximum uses
what about spells with reduction?
like Icy Veins?
warm plinth
Compare with better players or make THEM ask in their class discord what their uptime should look like
warm plinth
You shouldn't have to spoon feed it to them. Make them work at it themselves.
craggy pilot
but if i wasnt playing Prot Warr how would i check that?
craggy pilot
Compare with better players or make THEM ask in their class discord what their u...
90% of my guild dont like using discord for anything other than the guild discord
warm plinth
Compare with someone better
Tough shit
No offense to you
But like...put forth some fucking effort
craggy pilot
so i should compare their parse to like top10 logs?
warm plinth
Sure
craggy pilot
But like...put forth some fucking effort
😄
kindred furnace
nah
round pendant
Are they raiding normal or something
craggy pilot
HC prog
warm plinth
I generally go to the top logs and then go down until I find a similar kill time
And then compare
craggy pilot
I generally go to the top logs and then go down until I find a similar kill time
ah thats good actually
kindred furnace
when looking at logs I look for similar kill times between top and then like 50-100 lower than that
kindred furnace
it depends on the class/boss/how early in a tier tho
warm plinth
Yeah like...idk man. It's not your job to hold their hand tbh
They gotta do shit for themselves
craggy pilot
checked our Havoc DH talents, and told her to swap talents, which was instant 25% dmg increase 😄
went from simming 38k to 48k
warm plinth
See like that shit is just
...
That's MINIMUM effort to make sure you playing the correct fucking build
you're*
craggy pilot
ah wais no i mean from 45k to 58k
craggy pilot
That's MINIMUM effort to make sure you playing the correct fucking build
🤷♂️
some people log for just raid and herbing
warm plinth
Then find a guild that doesn't give a fuck about progging idk. I have no tolerance or patience for people like that
warm plinth
But more power to you I guess
craggy pilot
Then find a guild that doesn't give a fuck about progging idk. I have no tolera...
ye im playing this game for mainly M+
so idc too much about Raid
warm plinth
I will answer questions all day long if you're making an effort but fuck you if you're expecting me to hand everything to you
craggy pilot
cant find a guild with proper raid times for me on my cluster anyway
kindred furnace
warcraftlogs shows top percentage talents for specific bosses and specific classes
craggy pilot
warcraftlogs shows top percentage talents for specific bosses and specific class...
where?
i usually use subcreation for that
craggy pilot
the feeling of beating HC with a bunch of shitters just outshines beating it in a pug 😄
warm plinth
Click where it says show more at the top on the talent tree
craggy pilot
Click where it says show more at the top on the talent tree
ahh thx
round pendant
My friends guild couldn't even clear normal and no one wants to improve
It's really weird, what's the fun in wiping on normal for 3 hours?
craggy pilot
It's really weird, what's the fun in wiping on normal for 3 hours?
its not
warm plinth
There is 0 fun to be had
kindred furnace
i mean if he's okay with that who cares
craggy pilot
our HC prog was really delayed because people had hard time in normal as well
and people gain 0 gear outside of raid
kindred furnace
if he's upset about it, it's super easy to find another one
craggy pilot
like im 415 on main...
warm plinth
The life of a casual guild member I guess lol
craggy pilot
and still didnt kill Rasz 😄
warm plinth
I'm 414.5 and I haven't stepped foot in LFR even
kindred furnace
did you just never finish your raszageth quest
warm plinth
There's a quest? 😂
round pendant
Pugged HC, wasn't too bad. Tbh normal raz was worse lmao
kindred furnace
yeah it gave a free 405 upgrade
warm plinth
Oh, nope
kindred furnace
at the time it was pretty relevant/still good for new alts
round pendant
Pugging is just a lottery for raids and guilds are either good enough to clear it or they never will (unless they're willing to boot people)
craggy pilot
😄
im out for the next 2 weeks of prog anyway
so ill skip on all the rough Rasz prog 🤣
then hopefully be back in for the kill
warm plinth
MAYBE they'll have killed her already by the time you get back
warm plinth
You can be there for the re-prog 😏
kindred furnace
how u get to raszageth then
craggy pilot
we usually do the mount quest on normal week after end boss dies on HC
kindred furnace
I know i'm joking
round pendant
M+ is so much more fun than raiding lmao
craggy pilot
M+ is so much more fun than raiding lmao
100%
kindred furnace
gonna start selling mythic broodkeeper skip to guilds 💰
round pendant
Maybe I'll start my own guild
modern relic
how long does it make sense to hold ravager thunderous roar for avatar/demo shout to be up? (Lets say single target and not needed for any specific scenario like picking up adds) or do i always press it on cd?
craggy pilot
how long does it make sense to hold ravager thunderous roar for avatar/demo shou...
never hold
round pendant
Tho being an officer was bad enough in legion fuck that
craggy pilot
SEEEEEEEND
kindred furnace
think only reason to hold would be is if the boss would die before you get another use
craggy pilot
7/15 of my raid team is still below 400 ilvl
round pendant
That'd be fine for hc.. if they were good players
craggy pilot
That'd be fine for hc.. if they were good players
ye only few of them are
few are good, few are decent
then rest
😄
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZjMKVmnv6awYJNbR/
the log from reclear if you wanna have a looksie
ended on a 0.3% wipe on broodkeeper 🤣
kindred furnace
idk looking at %'s for your guild won't really do much
being in a worse guild helps with parsing for a few bosses and then involving kill times
mostly you can tell who's good and bad with who dies all the time and can do mechanics, and that's usually enough for heroic
craggy pilot
ye people die to dumb shit all the time
idk if they play with only mouse of some shit
like we have 1-3 good dps, 1 good tank, 1 good healer
rest is kinda eh
craggy pilot
prob wanna swap off your flask tho
im not in this raid 😄
kindred furnace
oh
craggy pilot
im not the pwar 😄
kindred furnace
the warrior used eye in the storm flask
kindred furnace
he did pretty well
craggy pilot
cus he didnt like BRM
kindred furnace
at least in a "pressed buttons" way
kindred furnace
the bar is pretty low tho, using d stance as a defensive and then swapping back is better than like 80% of heroic logs i've seen
craggy pilot
the bar is pretty low tho, using d stance as a defensive and then swapping back ...
if he did this im very proud haha
kindred furnace
craggy pilot
nice
gave him the Stance macro
and told him to remove his WA that "screams at me when im not in Dstance" 😄
hahahaha
if i hadnt told him that he would have been Dstance 100%
kindred furnace
he did try and use dragon games on the pull and then either forgot about it or decided fuck it which tbh same
craggy pilot
he did try and use dragon games on the pull and then either forgot about it or d...
he didnt walk over the balls? 😄
but ye fuck that trinket anyway
i think hes gonna replace it fast
kindred furnace
idk i just saw he used it once
craggy pilot
in rasz he has Decoration of Flame + All Totem
might actually be better for him to just All Totem + Incarnate Icon (LFR)
kindred furnace
decoration of flame is kinda juice for the intermission
craggy pilot
ye but i dont suspect hes gonna use it there
probably gonna waste it right before intermission
and incarnate icon is huge on a tank
gives ton of stats for everyone else who has icon
wild crag
Hey folks, what are rotational defensives in TJS 3rd boss? Our (prot warr) tank claims nothing affects healing absorb, so defensive CDs don't matter and if he dies (he does) it's healer's fault. Is it true?
wild crag
Nice! Thanks
craggy pilot
you use Defensive to reduce the initial hit, and heals to help with the Absorb
kindred furnace
craggy pilot
IV + LS + Health Pot can help
marble cipher
"defensive cd' s don't matter "
Kek
craggy pilot
Hey folks, what are rotational defensives in TJS 3rd boss? Our (prot warr) tank ...
what lvl key btw?
wild crag
+20
kindred furnace
nah
craggy pilot
is what i usually do in my pugs
kindred furnace
just when you're out of shit
craggy pilot
just when you're out of shit
🙏
wild crag
yeah, we have to explicitly hold cds for that phase instead of pull to go through it, otherwise he's getting toasted on like 3rd hit
craggy pilot
but ye you have 2x Wall, Spell Block, Spell Reflect, Defensive Stance, Impending Victory and Last Stand
craggy pilot
yeah, we have to explicitly hold cds for that phase instead of pull to go throug...
he is noob then
tbh
cyan oriole
wild crag
well, he's main dps specced right until this patch, so just inexperienced
kindred furnace
after 4 it get dicey
craggy pilot
and healer CD can save 1
marble cipher
It's at 5th that you need to rethink your life
craggy pilot
after 4 it get dicey
5th can be healer external
cyan oriole
you need to rethink your dps comp on 5th
marble cipher
Aye, that
wild crag
hahaha
craggy pilot
i had Evoker do Time Dilation on me on the hit, and it just made it worse 🤣
kindred furnace
honestly holding cds for the phase isn't a terrible thing either
at least depending on the cd
wild crag
our healer is a pala, don't they have this magic immune thing or is it only for prots?
kindred furnace
prot only
if you're like dh boomkin some other 3m and all juice the first phase and then have 2 minutes in p2 it's gonna suck
craggy pilot
our healer is a pala, don't they have this magic immune thing or is it only for ...
he can sac though
ionic fern
"Hold CD's for second phase".
craggy pilot
idk if that does giga help, but it can do a little
ionic fern
wild crag
yeah, but he claims when out of wings he can't top the absorb
kindred furnace
loh?
wild crag
I (ww monk) have to stand inside warrior for +8% healing boost and that actually kinda helped
topaz field
u have to spam the tank and prot is probably the worst tank to do so
wild crag
or they rotated better on 4th pull, idk
wild crag
can you spell block the absorb amount?
kindred furnace
i'm not sure if it reduces the absorb amount
craggy pilot
can you spell block the absorb amount?
you can block the hit
kindred furnace
but it reduces the initial hit by so much that you're not in danger
craggy pilot
which helps a lot
wild crag
nice! thanks folks
craggy pilot
check the Spell Block/reflect sheet in 
kindred furnace
spell block mandatory
craggy pilot
only thing i fucking hate is the waves just coming out at random directions
i cant seem to figure out the pattern
wild crag
wouldn't it be safe to just stay dstance the whole time? 10% of tank single target dmg is not a lot?
kindred furnace
they lose out on more damage than it's worth
killing the boss quicker means less damage
craggy pilot
wouldn't it be safe to just stay dstance the whole time? 10% of tank single targ...
i just do DStance for entire P2 usually
wild crag
i just do DStance for entire P2 usually
yep, that's what I thought!
cyan oriole
nah just juggle it like a chad
craggy pilot
depends how comfy you are
craggy pilot
nah just juggle it like a chad
ye this is the endgoal
kindred furnace
he should be stance dancing hits that are scary
wild crag
I mean it's +20, he should be able to stance switch
kindred furnace
only time you don't is if you won't be able to afford the global mid encounter
craggy pilot
Incarnate Icon works on entire raid right?
kindred furnace
whoever has it, yea
craggy pilot
so 382 Incarnate Icon + 402 Decoration of Flame + 408 All-Totem...
How many people in grp would need to have Incarnate Icon for it to be better?
kindred furnace
in a raid?
craggy pilot
yes
kindred furnace
it depends better for you or them
craggy pilot
better for the raid
craggy pilot
if DPS has HC version, and tank has LFR version, does the proc still give full benefit for the DPS?
kindred furnace
ye
craggy pilot
ah cool cool
ill tell him to fuck off with that Decoration of Flame then 😄
be our buff bitch
kindred furnace
the low ilvl one?
kindred furnace
i meant the prot warr from the log
craggy pilot
yes
kindred furnace
i didn't look at his survivability at all
if he needs it to live it might be a bad idea >.>
craggy pilot
shouldnt help that much
and he can just SW
dont think he used SW that much anyway 😄
also he got loot funneled hard, he is 396 now 😄
and i upgraded his shield to 405
kindred furnace
I think when I geared my warrior I went from fresh to like 412 in a week
craggy pilot
with the Rasz infusion
craggy pilot
I think when I geared my warrior I went from fresh to like 412 in a week
Mythic raid?
kindred furnace
I ran an ungodly amount of dungeons though
yeah that and like 50-70 dungeons that week
brittle silo
I think when I geared my warrior I went from fresh to like 412 in a week
2 weeks for me, but yea. It's doable
kindred furnace
it was early in tier
we full geared a prevoker to 416 in a week of mythic and 50 16+'s
kindred furnace
we needed 2 for rasz so it was the only option
craggy pilot
my 3rd 421 vault and its 3x sidegrades :<
brittle silo
I'm stuck on 415 aswell as I'm not stepping into raid. Might get to 417 with uncap valor tho. Aaaaand waiting for sick vault
kindred furnace
uncapped valor would have helped with the whetstone grind
brittle silo
Welp...
Though I got CoS AA ring with avoidance
and already looted like 6 of them ^^
kindred furnace
I kept inviting random guildies online and queuing as a 4 stack into CoS keys
they almost called the guild HR rep on me
brittle silo
they almost called the guild HR rep on me
dafuq. what corpo guild are you in that u got HR rep
kindred furnace
i'm kidding
brittle silo
I wouldn't be surprised tho kek
kindred furnace
but we do pretend we have a union rep calling for breaks if we go over our usual break time in raid
craggy pilot
almost 3k score and haven't seen single one drop ^^
i did 70 COS runs before i got mine 🙂
brittle silo
i did 70 COS runs before i got mine 🙂
I'll stick with my random centaur proc and horn of valor than ^^
brittle silo
Maybe if I didn't hate CoS more than bolstering NO I could do like 2 of CoS in a row
craggy pilot
i cant fit it into a screenshot 😄
craggy pilot
Maybe if I didn't hate CoS more than bolstering NO I could do like 2 of CoS in a...
COS is so easy now though
i love that place after doing it 70 times
brittle silo
COS is so easy now though
I still hate it ^^
kindred furnace
fellow jailmate
kindred furnace
someone forgets to click beacon
craggy pilot
brittle silo
wipe on 2nd boss tyran? Check
brittle silo
Shitty enfo spawn and random bodypull? Check
craggy pilot
like holy shit
craggy pilot
Shitty enfo spawn and random bodypull? Check
this is because you do it wrong then 😉
im pretty sure i have it down where random bodypull never happens
kindred furnace
just run to the outside
kindred furnace
that's what i mean
craggy pilot
cus he doesnt spawn the same time twice
kindred furnace
like near the water
brittle silo
cus he doesnt spawn the same time twice
I'm pretty sure he did twice to me
craggy pilot
I'm pretty sure he did twice to me
not the same place
kindred furnace
he definitely can spawn in the same place
craggy pilot
you probably took the right enforcer, and pulled it into the left one
90% sure it cannot spawn on the same place
people just like to pull that one back
brittle silo
not the same place
Might be wrong, as I hate that dung and don't run it a lot, hence my knowledge but I'm pretty sure it was back to back left
craggy pilot
on top of the other spawnpoint
kindred furnace
it can spawn in the same spot 100%
craggy pilot
the problem is these 2
brittle silo
Anyway, even if that's right -> left and u dont kill 3mob patrol in front of a boss orb/bridge u dont have a lot of spot to wiggle
bold olive
it can spawn in the same spot 100%
Indeed it can.
kindred furnace
but if you just fight the mini boss where the imp spawn is you'll never catch a spawn
brittle silo
It's tight not to pull
kindred furnace
and you're also in a position to head to the other side if need be
craggy pilot
it can spawn in the same spot 100%
would love if people had a video on youtube or some shit
i dont have it happen when i tnak
but i did the dungeon on my shaman
and tank had it happen to him
cus he pulled the enforcer back
on top of the other spawn point
brittle silo
would love if people had a video on youtube or some shit
yea, rn it's word vs word. That's why I assume I might be wrong. I did less CoSs whole season than you did in 1 day kek
I'll check that next CoS I do. Probably next week
craggy pilot
i usually pull #4 back into the corner behind the book
then i never have any spawn issue
since im 90% sure #4 doesnt spawn after #4
and #3 after #3
brittle silo
btw @craggy pilot as u're COS veteran. How worth is gateskip in pug scenario if any?
craggy pilot
btw <@270309256471773194> as u're COS veteran. How worth is gateskip in pug scen...
never did it
so idk
i usually dont even do harbor, unless the % lines up after 1st boss
kindred furnace
it's fine if you're accounting for it
brittle silo
I've run 23 yday and had only 1:15 undertime iirc
might be too tight on 24
So thinking about some timesavers
craggy pilot
my route looks something like this (89.5%)
kindred furnace
because then you could do a docks pull while waiting
craggy pilot
highest i did was +21 though
brittle silo
because then you could do a docks pull while waiting
ye, that's the only save I can think of tbh as u loose dps anyway and it's longer
craggy pilot
oh wait no +20
limpid anchor
i usually pull #4 back into the corner behind the book
Pulling it there also always for a brief stop to pet the kitties
craggy pilot
Pulling it there also always for a brief stop to pet the kitties
kitties? 🤔
brittle silo
my route looks something like this (89.5%)
ye, my favourite:
ZUGZUG
limpid anchor
Did you never look into the room there?
limpid anchor
4 purple kitties that are interactable
craggy pilot
people called me troll the other day in +20 because i didnt pull harbor
he wanted to do rogue shroud pull to harbor 😄
felt giga troll
cus if we fuck it up, its GG KEY
limpid anchor
Nah doesn’t matter
brittle silo
Tho pull 6 is dogshit imho
craggy pilot
ye but he wanted to do it with shroud 🤣
limpid anchor
Harbor is Easy and big %
craggy pilot
Tho pull 6 is dogshit imho
i just do it while rogue does pillar+poison
brittle silo
good on forti weeks
kindred furnace
if you're not used to the pull don't ever do it
limpid anchor
You shourd there for bl on start
And full cds
Instead of wasting it on the first pack
craggy pilot
ah so then you go back to the sentry?
limpid anchor
ah so then you go back to the sentry?
Yea
craggy pilot
i just dont rly like doing harbor early, cus i dont know how much pug will butpull
limpid anchor
You can
brittle silo
i just do it while rogue does pillar+poison
ye, but the mobs are much harder to kill. And u actually need to coord interrupts. I'd rather kill inqui + succub while killing enfo (above pull 11 on your screen)
limpid anchor
Or you just take it on the boss, doesn’t matter much
craggy pilot
and if Enforcers are unlucky in last area, we get 120%
craggy pilot
ye, but the mobs are much harder to kill. And u actually need to coord interrupt...
just makes the boss way safer
have had pugs pull patrols on both sides during 1st boss
brittle silo
and if Enforcers are unlucky in last area, we get 120%
never overcapped on % with harb yet, but I get bodypulls
brittle silo
just makes the boss way safer
bruh. are they 2k?
craggy pilot
depends how lucky you are with enforcers + items
limpid anchor
my route looks something like this (89.5%)
Instead of pull 6 I would suggest to pull the manayrms behind the boss to the sentinel
craggy pilot
bruh. are they 2k?
nah, i had it back when i was pushing 14-16
and just incorporated it into my route 😄
brittle silo
so 2k
craggy pilot
and never changed it since COS is just easy anyway
brittle silo
I pull boss back to the bridge so they dont bodypull
kindred furnace
mana wyrms die melee run in to check out the swirl
brittle silo
Same mistakes happen to my groups at 2800 compared to 1800. ;_;
timed AA22 yday with 2.8k dudes whilst failing that 3 times in a row with 3ks
brittle silo
mana wyrms die melee run in to check out the swirl
shiny swirly is shiny I suppose
craggy pilot
mana wyrms die melee run in to check out the swirl
shiny blue stuff on the ground
must stand for dmg increase
brittle silo
if not red -> stand in it
kindred furnace
also i have no idea what it is
but prevokers can cleanse the first 3 bleeds on crawth
brittle silo
but prevokers can cleanse the first 3 bleeds on crawth
it's called balance TM
kindred furnace
it also fucks with cd trackers lmao
craggy pilot
so first one you Stasis + Cauterising Flame
2nd one you pop the Stasis
3rd one you Cauterizing Flame again
brittle silo
Doubt that it worth to use at the start of the pull tho. U're floded with rage due to rava and can just spam IP and outheal it solo.
Though I've never did AA with evoker so I might spit bullshit
kindred furnace
think he skipped the first
craggy pilot
AA with evoker is straight cheat
ye just wall the first one
so your wall can come back for 5th one 😄
kindred furnace
idk if I had ravager for pull
craggy pilot
that boss fucking slaps on Tyra though
brittle silo
idk if I had ravager for pull
even if not, there's not a lot of grouphealing at the pull anyway so healboi can just snipe you
kindred furnace
think I used it on the 2 bird pack beforehand so it would be up for boss burn
but yeah you right
it's only post winds that it gets real sketch
brittle silo
that boss fucking slaps on Tyra though
I'm usually at 30-35k hps at this boss and it's still a struggle. And on every bleed I have 'something' either demo or wall or hugeass ragepull for IP
craggy pilot
ye i ended up sitting almost perma Dstance
since if you swap in and out when bleed, its like no time in BStance anyway
but u can SW -> IV -> LS
and Spell Reflect every screech
brittle silo
ye i ended up sitting almost perma Dstance
I switch to dstance after fireburn and stay in this till end. I'm a pussy tank
kindred furnace
think for one of them I just grabbed the haste buff popped avatar and prayed
brittle silo
Ye, I get defensives rotation there. It's just compared to any other boss it's a struggle. U have to 'think' in order to live
weary lodge
ye just wall the first one
I've been taking immovable object instead of unstoppable force simply for the extra shield wall with avatar and then use avatar 100% defensively on bosses like that... Bird boss in AA, Vexamus, 3rd in TJS, etc... It feels so much safer on Tyr weeks even though it's only 4 seconds of shield wall
craggy pilot
I've been taking immovable object instead of unstoppable force simply for the ex...
sounds a bit over the top 🤔
if you feel you lack wall, you can just go Double Wall talent
weary lodge
if you feel you lack wall, you can just go Double Wall talent
I'll check it out and try it. It's definitely a safer play for sure, even on trash. I don't feel strongly either way about either of those talents at the bottom left of our class tree when prot... Kind of wish it was the same as fury/arms anyway. "Drop ravager when you avatar and vice versa" would have been so much more better.
craggy pilot
I'll check it out and try it. It's definitely a safer play for sure, even on tra...
what lvl do you go with Immovable Object?
young tartan
Any tips for the 3rd boss in TJS?
craggy pilot
Any tips for the 3rd boss in TJS?
young tartan
ait
amber siren
if you're lacking shield wall on crawth or blazehoof with impen wall, you're doing something wrong in your rotation
weary lodge
what lvl do you go with Immovable Object?
Key level? 18 Tyr was when I started doing it for a safety net in TJS especially
Had issues with my IRL friend healing through Jade serpent strike. I also now talent shield block specifically for that fight
Spell block
craggy pilot
Spell block
everyone talents Spell Block for TJS
thats not out of the ordinary
but Immovable Object is not really used
weary lodge
but Immovable Object is not really used
I know, it's definitely not popular, but the aoe pulls there are small so I don't feel like I'm missing out a lot on tclap damage. It's definitely a choice not everyone will make
amber siren
It's a bad choice is why
craggy pilot
I know, it's definitely not popular, but the aoe pulls there are small so I don'...
AOE pulls are small in AA????
did i hear that correct?
like bro what
weary lodge
AOE pulls are small in AA????
Small in TJS. In AA, yeah definitely missing out on a lot more there lol
craggy pilot
wait so you use Immovable Object in TJS also?
you must be losing out on a ton of rage
weary lodge
Yeah, my bad, I was mostly talking about TJS the whole time. It's just a really safe pick with that 3rd boss on Tyr weeks
amber siren
It's not a safe pick, I don't know how else to explain this to you
It's bad
Just plain awful
If you're that insistent on double SW on TJS, which is fair, use def aegis
Turning avatar into a worse SW is just nonsensical
inland raft
Random question, tokens of merit from vault is it a set amount or based on how many slots you unlock?
sweet summit
2 per slot up to a cap of 6 per vault
craggy pilot
Immovable Object is 1% less dps in ST, and 3% in AOE
not speaking of the rage value you lose
inland raft
And doesnt matter where those slots come from so can get 1 from raid 2 from m+ and still get 6? Usually i max vault fully so never thought about it but dont have a lot if time this week
sweet summit
Immovable Object is 1% less dps in ST, and 3% in AOE
having to use sw on cd for dps tho
sweet summit
And doesnt matter where those slots come from so can get 1 from raid 2 from m+ a...
doesn't matter
craggy pilot
having to use sw on cd for dps tho
oh does the Sim do that actually? 😄
inland raft
Cool thanks
sweet summit
oh does the Sim do that actually? 😄
probably
strong forum
Yes
amber siren
The sim will use avatar on CD, which is what you'd do for max DPS
amber siren
That too
craggy pilot
ah, so if using SW like normal, it would be even more DPS loss
sweet summit
why only when avatar isn't up
it should add duration no?
ancient gazelle
Hey guys, Im running the two proc raid rings from VotI normal, but I got a signet of dancing jade pop from the vault. Is the ilvl difference worth the loss of one of the procs?
sweet summit
aaah
craggy pilot
When you use it when avatar drops off
lol
strong forum
If you just extend it, it doesn't grant the rage
craggy pilot
isnt it only 10?
strong forum
Avatar?
craggy pilot
yes
strong forum
Idk haven't really checked in a while
craggy pilot
mine is saying 10 at least 🤔
strong forum
Then it's 10 ye
craggy pilot
got confused if im missing some talent 😄
odd nimbus
thinking about moving away from frostfire belt,is there a better option for mythic plus?
i have lariat and i only have 408 1st boss fire ring(wanted to get the set belt for haste)
weary saddle
i use the Molten belt
proper moss
hey all! I was wondering if there is a macro that can make a switch between battle stance and defensive stance? so you only press one key and then it switches between the two
weary saddle
yes
proper moss
cheers - thanks mate
weary saddle
👍
craggy pilot
thinking about moving away from frostfire belt,is there a better option for myth...
set belt? 🤔
odd nimbus
catalyst belt,the one with the haste from catalyst thingy
lofty widget
Belt isnt a tier piece
odd nimbus
y but you know what i mean
lofty widget
Frostfire belt is bis if you have the ring tho, so idk Why you wanna swap
odd nimbus
even in mythic pluis?
lofty widget
Yes
uneven mason
It's silly that the proc rings etc all outparse stuff 20 ilvl higher
wooden widget
It’s a cheap ploy to boost raid participation numbers
Always has been
It was peak awful with domination sockets
I can’t imagine being a hunter this tier who just wants to do m+ but knowing there’s that bow out there lol
potent elbow
Worth to replace ilvl 415 Blazebinder's Hoof or 415 whetscar windstone for HC All-Totem of the Master?
crystal mauve
Whetstone is busted I would say yes
But the real answer is sim
It’s had to know how much damage you get from the Hoof str bonus
uneven mason
It varies, but I'd say totem and hoof on fort weeks, totem and whet on tyran
You're just going to get more out of how hoof is statted in ae
crystal mauve
It varies, but I'd say totem and hoof on fort weeks, totem and whet on tyran
Could you give more details about your thinking process? Is it just that STR will have more value on aoe and Whetsoke raw damage single target? It would make sense but I’m not sure
uneven mason
I hate my phone autocorrect
Whetstone splits damage, it's not bad ae but it's a st proc
The haste and str are going to boost your ae, and in trash pull your rage budget and apm are higher for giga stacks
crystal mauve
Whetstone splits damage, it's not bad ae but it's a st proc
It does a bit more damage when there is up to 5 targets (not much compared to baseline tho) but I get what you are saying
uneven mason
But totem is bis in basically all (most) situations
But I'm not big enough brain to say for how much ilvl you should drop for it
Do a 1 3 5 patchwerk sim
And see the comparison
If you're not going for giga pull you'll be fine just using whetstone in all situations
dense ledge
just mad how much damage whetstone does when you can buff it with thundering or other stuff, odyn comes to mind with rune buff
split stratus
Wowhead guide says TC has a higher rotation priority than Shield Slam, is it really the case ?
peak bramble
You have UF avatar picked in the talents section
slim dove
But totem is bis in basically all (most) situations
aint bis in raid
oh ur talking m+ affix
nm
sick sentinel
mouse clicking fingers are screwed
will be shot within 10 years completely i think
feral nebula
would like to add another question onto the one from Harbard. Is there some kind of thumbrule you guys follow for the prio of Shield Slam, Revenge, and TC? And also what about TC in avatar? SS - TC-SS - TC and spam ignore pain or should i use revenge in between for better dmg output?
sick sentinel
i absolutel have to must get a dk and raise his IO to 1k and then use his valor for heroic helm
this is life mission
chilly brook
would like to add another question onto the one from Harbard. Is there some kind...
Shield slam almost always top prio
Biggest rage generator
More rage means more rage to spend
More rage spent means more CDs
uneven mason
would like to add another question onto the one from Harbard. Is there some kind...
SS TC rev, ip is off GCD and is used to avoid capping rage
feral nebula
and what about Revenge! procc? still TC over Rev?
uneven mason
Yeah
Build rage> not build rage
Infact the free rev proc actually lowers the value of that rev cast in the grand scheme of things
Because it doesn't cycle rage for am
feral nebula
am?
hardy snow
Because it doesn't cycle rage for am
its not a problem, you can always dump rage with IP
uneven mason
Yeah I'm just saying in the overall view, it doesn't really matter but it is less rage spent in high budget situai
feral nebula
ah yeah, thank you
one last question: does only revenge procc my shield slam or are there other things that will procc it?
hardy snow
one last question: does only revenge procc my shield slam or are there other thi...
yes, if you have this talent
oak echo
And when it says devastate it really means autos because you're using devastator
hardy snow
and if you're not using devastator talent, then its indeed devastate skill, but i dont even want to know how could somebody play with such build 
nova vector
I have a question that I can’t find an answer to. I’m currently using Lariat and Fang Adornments on weapon. I just looted a Strike Twice. Does it count as an embellishment? If not, I was thinking of swapping to it and crafting the BS belt
feral nebula
Ahh okay i see, i fully understand now. Thank you very much for your time guys, u are awesome! 😄
oak echo
I have a question that I can’t find an answer to. I’m currently using Lariat and...
Embellishment is from crafted gear
So no
hardy snow
I have a question that I can’t find an answer to. I’m currently using Lariat and...
does it have "unique-equipped embelishment (2)" on it? No, so its not 🙂
nova vector
Makes sense. Thanks!
Does what I said make sense to do then?
I can’t see a downside
hardy snow
depends on ilvls you are changing and crafting
nova vector
Got it
dusky canopy
subtle sparrow
Can you show the number of attempts you've done that run on a boss in Details?
There we go
sweet summit
subtle sparrow
Wall is hard apparently
subtle sparrow
six minutes <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Two DPS died to the first wall
So not really tyrannical's fault
left beacon
Is there a way to get timers for bosses in m+? like when conductive strike is coming on last boss of nok or just a bunch of things
icy bane
Little wigs
subtle sparrow
Is there a way to get timers for bosses in m+? like when conductive strike is co...
DBM has a separate download for dungeon timers and warnings.
I would also recommend Spell Reflect Essentials as a weakaura: https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg
left beacon
i am using little wigs and big wigs and for some reason it is just not working very well
it used to call out dark claw and now it doesn't
think i may need to try and redownload or something
hidden ether
What 2nd embellishment you guys using, I was using armor spikes but it looks like it got removed from the list of "good ones"
hardy snow
were there any issues when you was using it?
lofty widget
all the embels are roughly equal
armor spikes only loses a bit of value in raid when you arent tanking all the time
hidden ether
ahh so mythic plus its still probably worth it?
lofty widget
yeah
hardy snow
ahh so mythic plus its still probably worth it?
if it was fine week or two ago, why wouldnt it be now?
hidden ether
I assume when something is removed from a top 5 list, there was a reason.
lofty widget
idk what list youre looking at but nothing changed and the one you use is fine
deep plume
Is thier a BIS spread sheet for prot ?
paper nexus
It loses value because things have to be hitting you for it to be valuable
In some instances packs barely hit you and so it loses a lot of value in that. (Caster packs)
hidden ether
idk what list youre looking at but nothing changed and the one you use is fine
Both the Icey veins and wowhead guide took it off there suggested list
hardy snow
Both the Icey veins and wowhead guide took it off there suggested list
no need to bother, changing it wont make much of a difference 😉
daring marlin
Embellishments suck
hidden ether
Embellishments suck
but I mean, better then nothing
dawn venture
must be my luckiest TW (was expecting a 389 legs to replace but got a 395 trinket)
uneven mason
Is thier a BIS spread sheet for prot ?
Just follow the rules
hidden ether
Just follow the rules
Sim everything?
uneven mason
More or less, ilvl > haste etc...
lusty tiger
str > haste > sim
hidden ether
Sooo currently my state sim says Crit>mast>vers>haste
undone verge
Because stat sim sims dps and crit is big for dps
Mastery is weird tho
Although it might be explained if you have giga haste and no mastery
uneven mason
It's not weird
hidden ether
i have a shit ton of hste and vers maybe DR?
undone verge
It’s not ‘bad’ but it’s the lowest stat prio
uneven mason
Like our priority is just a general guide, the values of all stats scale with each other
hidden ether
If im crafting a ring should I still keep haste on there?
uneven mason
Which is why we say ilvl > whatever
Sure, haste has the top defensive value
And in ae
hidden ether
aoe?
hidden ether
does that say you get it from first hunt of the week?
so like gotta be on right at reset?
oak echo
no like the first one you do each week
lusty tiger
he looks a little crusty
hidden ether
Sooo haste vers is a .6% dps loss for Haste crit.... I wish crit had a single survivability affix to it
lusty tiger
Sooo haste vers is a .6% dps loss for Haste crit.... I wish crit had a single su...
It does
hidden ether
bonus heals?
lusty tiger
It gives you parry % chance
hidden ether
oh i always forget that
lusty tiger
It is very helpful
hidden ether
well ill go crit haste on my ring then. more zug zug
I also found out from my various simming that darkmoon deck dance and inferno would be a 3-4% DPS increase
lusty tiger
I also found out from my various simming that darkmoon deck dance and inferno wo...
Be careful it’s not pulling the best card only
Since nobody here recommends the darkmoon trinket
Unless you’ve got nothing better/more offensive
uneven mason
well ill go crit haste on my ring then. more zug zug
High five crit crew
tall cradle
High five crit crew
Huzzah! It melds well into being arms for raid
sick sentinel
he looks a little crusty
prime target for transmog
im sure someone will make a transmog it has a certain look to it
lusty tiger
I bet some bfa themed plate or leather will do the trick
sick sentinel
probably hunter
uneven mason
Yup it's called a high mountain tauren standing in the bank entrance
sick sentinel
looks like huntard mount
uneven mason
Hmm wtb valor cap being account wide
Because damnit I want to be able to spam +2 on my fresh 70 and then upgrade it all the way to rank 13
deep spruce
Because damnit I want to be able to spam +2 on my fresh 70 and then upgrade it a...
3k valor to take something from 1/13 to 13/13.... in 15 slots? Fuck. That.
strong forum
its not even only 3k valor
some slots are 7.5k
some are even as much as 25k for 1 slot
lusty tiger
And that page is just a tier list
tepid raptor
Most popular by keys+
should say something shouldnt it
considering if u check raider.io top prot warrs most of them have the exact same gear as the most populare :p
strong forum
which has totally nothing to do with it just being highest ilvl
tepid raptor
Maybe cuz bis
strong forum
lusty tiger
My brain cells
tepid raptor
i guess its some form of a list, icy-veins has a list you can follow otherwise
hidden ether
3k valor to take something from 1/13 to 13/13.... in 15 slots? Fuck. That.
real psychopaths farm 2's for gear with leech on it then upgrade it to 13/13
lusty tiger
real psychopaths farm 2's for gear with leech on it then upgrade it to 13/13
Imagine being held prisoner in +2 CoS going for Mel with leech and sockets and whetstone w leech
vagrant oracle
+3** but yeah that’s how I got my whetstone finally 😂
It helps that everyone was still getting valor for the farm.
hidden ether
Imagine being held prisoner in +2 CoS going for Mel with leech and sockets and w...
by the tiem you get both you will have enough valor to upgrade both 😮
lusty tiger
Yea I guess that softens the blow
Having ring and whetstone on both my tanks
I cannot fathom
vagrant oracle
DPS - “I’m tired of this grandpa”
Tank still needing the trinket - “That’s too damn bad”
strange chasm
hello may i ask for fast log review what im doing wrong ? ty https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XCf8QvZFNMGyrAbx/#fight=10&type=damage-done&source=543
strong forum
instantly looks like a case of "not pressing enough buttons"
strong forum
youre playing barbaric training which i recommend switchgin off of
that talent will slow down your entire playstyle and will hurt your defensive rage usage
strange chasm
i mean i watching all those prot war s on twitch im looking that rotation ... and for me it is liek impossible