protection

[inland mesa]

There are gaps then isn't there, very slight, but noticeable

[lusty tiger]

I didn’t have any

And I have mofo sb bound to ss

[dusky canopy]

Bro I’m usually able to squeeze that ip and revenge on the same global with the same finger but it’s wack for sure lmao

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-my-damn-hand-gif-20531901

[round pendant]

my IP is on R

and macro'd to shield slam

[lusty tiger]

G for me

[round pendant]

I might remove the macro and just start pressing R + 1 for IP + SS or R + 2 for IP + Revenge

[ornate marsh]

So I've been messing with a fully trained single target Ruby Whelp Shell... feels horribly inconsistent, but seeing it run more on IO. Are people running the AOE trained version and getting more benifit? Or just hoping for good proc RNG?

[lusty tiger]

To be clear tho, when u press your ss bind, it DOES NOT ip?

[round pendant]

no

press IP bind = shield slams too

[lusty tiger]

Kk

Ye ok

[dusky canopy]

I was about to ask the same xD

[lusty tiger]

We use better trinkets

[ornate marsh]

I have others, but had seen it run more, even by top 10 in IO... couple had it so was curious

[dusky canopy]

Hoof gamer

[lusty tiger]

Hoof + whetstone

[dusky canopy]

Nah nah all totem

Whetstone is bait you lose to much mainstat

[lusty tiger]

Well

U gotte get a totem

[dusky canopy]

Truu

[lusty tiger]

Also the haste is kinda nice

For a guy without the totem

[torpid fiber]

I prefer the haste buff

[round pendant]

Whetstone ain't bait

[ornate marsh]

What about us M+ only try hards... suppose I should start pugging first and second boss on heroic/mythic for vault

right now running whispering and whetstone

[lusty tiger]

From m+ bis: hoof + whetstone

[dusky canopy]

Get a hoof my guy I’m telling you

[lusty tiger]

For m+ bis: incarnate + totem

[dusky canopy]

Hoof owns

[ornate marsh]

Hoof, you talking from NO?

[dusky canopy]

Ye

[lusty tiger]

Blazebinder

420

[dusky canopy]

I’m almost 11k str with hoof/pot active

Combine that with lust

And you are slammin

BIG

[ornate marsh]

nice, I'll fish for it and give it a try

[naive panther]

so i had an idea to own last boss in nok

can one war spell reflect, then the other taunt and spell reflect?

[round pendant]

I crit like 170k with shield slam yesterday

was very nice I just wish it happened more often

[naive panther]

i'm critting mid 200s range all the time on slam

you'll get there

it can hit giga hard

[round pendant]

tbh it was probably just the one time I noticed a big number from pressing 1

I prob crit more than that, I'll have to check

[naive panther]

back to my nok question, would boss be debuffed then the next hit do giga damage?

yeah check your details from time to time

it'll show your biggest crits

[dusky canopy]

Nom talked about this the other day it does the same damage on ST as it does on aoe and you lose a lot of main stat witch apples to a majority of your damage so like for example if it does 5% overall in your key it’s actually more like 3% because of mainstat loss

Witch means bait imo

[left beacon]

does anyone know whats going on with the subjugators mostly the pack after the first boss in shadowmoon, i've had them just drop aggro randomly as well as on my healer just get smashed out of no where

[round pendant]

It does more than 5% tho

If you use it on cd

usually hits like 7-8% for me

[dusky canopy]

Ye but weren’t you just talking about need to do more damage?

[final gust]

tfw you try to log and it just straight up doesn't work 😦

[round pendant]

get the Loggerhead addon, download the warcraft logs uploader

ezpz

[final gust]

i have not heard of the loggerhead addon

this is good info

[dusky canopy]

Not jabbing at all yam just saying it might be that high because your damage isn’t being done else where

[dusky canopy]

Ye loggerhead remembers to turn on logging in the places you tell it too very nice to have

[lusty tiger]

My blazebinder fire thingy is like 3% of my dam

[daring marlin]

Whetstone still super good.

I roll whetstone/blaze hoof tbh

[dusky canopy]

Hoof dam is from the stats it gives

[daring marlin]

yup

giga str

[dusky canopy]

The burnout thing is useless

[lusty tiger]

Ye

2-3% typically for me

The str is juiced

[round pendant]

Wouldn't a sim solve this debate

[dusky canopy]

Yep

Hoof/all totem wins for me every time

[lusty tiger]

Oh ur saying hoof > whetstone?

[dusky canopy]

For me yes

[lusty tiger]

Whetstone does like 6% of my dam

I would think it’s close at least

[dusky canopy]

4/5 target 1 minute, 2 minute and 3 minute

[jagged pier]

it should be 5-6% ish overall

[round pendant]

Hoof + All-Totem is a 1.6% dps loss over Whetstone + All-Totem according to my sim

[limpid ruin]

Ya but whetstone smashes in single target so unless it’s miles apart on a 5t sim you still wouldn’t use it. There’s also the 2 min cd issue

[oblique quarry]

all totem+boon or hoof+all totem is the question I have been asking myself haha

[limpid ruin]

Tho tbf I have almost no mastery from gear so whetstone probably oversims for me

[lusty tiger]

A lil crit block in hov never hurt nobody

[dusky canopy]

I’m mobile right now so I can’t provide data..

Just know off the top of my head that’s how it was simming for me

[lusty tiger]

Well what am I supposed to do argue w u about ~1% damage different only noticeable in a sim

[dusky canopy]

Hehe

We’re not arguing

[lusty tiger]

I like whetstone for extra threat sometimes to be perfectly honest

[lusty tiger]

Ye loosely used

[dusky canopy]

I’m just telling that guy hoof owns

[lusty tiger]

It does

Like on razageth platform

Whetstone has its moment

And it is very easy to also believe a str+haste trinket is better than not

[dusky canopy]

Yeah whetstone def helps on 1/3 packs there I agree

[round pendant]

I use All-Totem + Whetstone in M+ and Grieftorch + Whetstone in raid

[lusty tiger]

WOAH

we’re getting the sanctum things

???

https://www.wowhead.com/news/primordial-stone-crafting-in-patch-10-0-7-how-to-break-upgrade-and-create-331477?webhook

[round pendant]

wait so I have a mandatory ring to equip?

lame

[lusty tiger]

I skimmed very lightly

[dusky canopy]

Yeah pretty much mandatory

So basically rip crafted rings

Because you still run melandrus ring

[round pendant]

rip eggnog ring

[sudden palm]

Anyone has a good weakaura that shows all the available stops (fear/shockwave/blind/blastwave/...) in your grp?

[round pendant]

"Successful interrupts exhale smoke, dealing 8022 Fire damage to enemies within a 8yd cone in front of you."

[lusty tiger]

omg

[round pendant]

I think OmniCD is an addon that'll do that for you

I know it's not a WA but ye

[lusty tiger]

they will finally press their kicks!!!!!!!!

[pastel atlas]

yes, all at the same time

[dusky canopy]

Wait wait wait

[lusty tiger]

ahhahaha

[pastel atlas]

what a bad idea to put dps increase on

[dusky canopy]

Exactly

Rip key

[inland mesa]

Melandrus ring Sims under crafted and eggnog ring for me o.O

[lusty tiger]

prob better for 12/15 sec kick havers

[dusky canopy]

That’s ok trust the sim!

[dusky canopy]

Yo resto shaman is gaming now

[round pendant]

I'll just wait for everyone here to figure out the BiS primordial stones

[dusky canopy]

🧠

[round pendant]

when is 10.0.7 coming out anyway?

[fast knot]

Let the big thinkers come up with the strats

[pseudo edge]

so got a question - re: heroic raiding and co tanking with other class tanks
its good form to not pop every single one of your CD's like Avatar, ravager, TR when the other tank is the first tank on pull right?

[round pendant]

nah if they can't keep aggro then you just go first

fuck em

[fast knot]

I send on pull and my cotank can just taunt 🙂

[round pendant]

I will never hold my deeps because my cotank sucks

[jagged pier]

u send on pull

u dont waste CD uptime

[dusky canopy]

Full send always

Let them cry when you do a mill damage in 6 globals

[silent anchor]

holy shit broodkeeper man

[dusky canopy]

It do be hurtin

[round pendant]

Yeah brood boss tank is rough

[silent anchor]

nah im add tank

[round pendant]

fun!

[silent anchor]

damage is still insane

[dusky canopy]

Oh then you just get to pump

[silent anchor]

so many stuns that can go off

[surreal thunder]

What 2 prot trinkets u guys prefer for mythic +?

[round pendant]

All-Totem #1

Whatever else #2

[surreal thunder]

im currently using whetstone + all-totem

[round pendant]

Whetstone, Hoof, Boon (risky)

[surreal thunder]

the stupid kickball trinket sims as a dps increase for me over all-totem

[ocean bloom]

it does do dmg

but idk how well totem sims

vs preform

[warm plinth]

The kickball trinket isn't even that bad

[pseudo edge]

Wrecking throw worth it for 2nd phase heroic Ras?

[round pendant]

Yes

[warm plinth]

It's like a one second movement to pick up the orbs

[dusky canopy]

Ye

[round pendant]

Try to align your CDs with your wrecking throw on shield and enjoy hitting 300k

[ocean bloom]

did they fix the bugs with it?

[surreal thunder]

would you use it over all-totem though?

[pseudo edge]

nice

[warm plinth]

No I wouldn't

[ocean bloom]

like it just wouldnt hit certain mods

[heavy temple]

I just got blamed for dying on TJS +22 3rd boss on the first 2nd phase tank hit. I had to IV shortly before it, because I was not topped due to a fire hit just at the end of p1. So I decided to use SW, def stance, and DS for the first tank hit. Is that enough for a healer to heal me through that, or should I have used more?

[warm plinth]

It's the only trinket I've had consistently on my war. Don't recall any instances of it not hitting something

[round pendant]

Sounds like a healer problem to me

[dusky canopy]

Healer bad

[surreal thunder]

im currently whetstone+all-totem, big toe is also really good , sims 10 less dps than kickball trink

[ocean bloom]

huh the 1st few weeks i was using it and i had constant issues

[warm plinth]

Well my war is a relatively new alt

[dusky canopy]

You where using a lot of dr for one debuff

[round pendant]

The healer has to PUMP you after that strike

or you die

[heavy temple]

Ok ty for the answer. I could have health potted, but I dunno, I probably need to live like 5 tank hits since we didnt have lust, so I also need to save CDs

[round pendant]

Health pot would have been smart yeah but you prob would have just died on the next one anyway

Healer poopoo

[toxic gyro]

Was it a druid?

[heavy temple]

Yes

[toxic gyro]

Bad druid

[dusky canopy]

He mentioned this like an hour ago

[toxic gyro]

One nourish with all hots rolling is like 150-300k heal

[heavy temple]

How TF do you live wiht only spell block?

thats healer external or?

[dusky canopy]

Yes I would assume

[heavy temple]

2nd and 3rd spell block?

[dusky canopy]

Let me jump back because you’re right

He might have corrected that

[strong forum]

no, but this is an example of how to spread out CDs

if you use less of the smaller CDs early, you wont have em for the later phases

if you use spell block early, you will miss out on SW casts

[heavy temple]

that might have been part of the problem (during the tank hit)

[pseudo edge]

what is IV?

i'm having a mental blank

[strong forum]

your heal

[heavy temple]

impending victory

[pseudo edge]

yes

[fast knot]

I don't get healers man it's frustrating

some just expect us to not take damage and then panic when it happens, Rdruid with nothing on you can't just magically fix that mistake

Blood DK Syndrome is what I'm calling it

[round pendant]

I mean

I just tell my healers "pump me after strike"

[sick sentinel]

or when you get called out by a healer for only having shield block up for X amount of time throughout the M+ dungeon

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

How do I get more CPM

I'm pressing buttons constantly

🤔

[strong forum]

pressing them with logic

not just randomly

[round pendant]

I have 65 CPM

[dusky canopy]

If a healer comments on your shield block “uptime” instead of your “blocked hits”

[round pendant]

I wouldn't say I'm pressing randomly

but I've seen like 70+

[dusky canopy]

They do not understand warrior

So ignore them

[strong forum]

on council im on 86cpm

[chilly brook]

No one understands warrior

[strong forum]

😄

[chilly brook]

They never have

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

🧠

[round pendant]

how do you get 86

[chilly brook]

No like fr

[round pendant]

damn I'm garbage

[cosmic olive]

any tank wanting to push keys? gonna push up to 3k rio

[chilly brook]

Look at the last two expansions

[strong forum]

pressing moar button

[chilly brook]

“Warrior is bad”

Meanwhile it’s doing more than fine

[round pendant]

I press all the buttons!!

[chilly brook]

Ends up being the best tank in s4 but no one plays it because it’s too much effort

[round pendant]

I think my biggest issue rn after solving the shield block issue

[tired forge]

need some vault input

[round pendant]

I sometimes hit 100 rage and press the wrong button in response

[tired forge]

do i take 421 shield or a socket?

i have a 418 crafted shield

[strong forum]

shield

[chilly brook]

Press IP more

[dusky canopy]

421 shield hard bis

[chilly brook]

You shouldn’t hit 100 rage ever

[tired forge]

sim says 421 is .5% dps downgrade

[dusky canopy]

In all cases

[wide charm]

trinket 😄

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t matter

[tired forge]

but i assume block is the answer

o kcool taking

[chilly brook]

It’s also the only way to get block

[fast knot]

I gave my guild rerollers a weakaura that yells when block gets to below 2 seconds as a reminder

[sick sentinel]

i need that WA

[dusky canopy]

Get the WA that yells “bad” when you get hit behind but instead it yells when you drop block

[fast knot]

It's so fuckin annoying hearing that Wilhelm scream on pull for them, It's almost not worth them having better uptime

Don't have to peep logs when they plank though to know where they fuck up

[wide charm]

what do you guys think of the bone trinket ?

[fast knot]

Big Toe I'm assuming? Haven't really ran it as Prot, feel like there are better contenders for damage although Crit is always nice

[wide charm]

my problem is i'm playing m+ only so i don't have many choices

been playing hoof+ whetstone for weeks now, but considering swapping hoof for big toe

haven't dropped a single hunger of the pack this far

[slim lynx]

LF1M @PingTank AA 19

[round pendant]

[karmic wraith]

Is there a way to find out if I was in battle stance or defensive stance in logs? I just got annihilated in RLP first boss and trying to figure out what went majorly wrong

[wide charm]

is it not in your buffs ?

[mighty valley]

melidrussy does just kinda fuck you up

[wide charm]

RLP first boss hurts a lot so you gotta rotate spellblock/SW/spell reflect pretty well

[karmic wraith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aJ9Hv4AjTFKqpLCN/#fight=last&type=auras&source=2

I cant see it

Yeah I did a 21 after my largest before was a 10. It was a rude awakening with spell damage

[mighty valley]

if it doesn't appear in your buffs, it means you didn't switch

[graceful osprey]

Just because it's rng, or why?

[oblique quarry]

asking for a friend, where can i find this weak aura

[karmic wraith]

Thanks!

[wide charm]

in RLP always play spellblock

punish as well if you struggle with bosses

[karmic wraith]

I was told afterwards yeah! My mistake there

[mighty valley]

or - and this is hopefully less likely - you switched spec at some point and forgot to actually pick either stance

[strong forum]

It's very rng, procs once per minute you can't count on it to call it surv increase

[wide charm]

i would even say play spellblock in almost all dungeons

you can always find some use

[graceful osprey]

I mean, its more rage/more shield block uptime

Sure, better if it wasnt rng

But how much more dmg is st vs haste

[wide charm]

only dungeon where i see no use of spellblock is COS

[karmic wraith]

I'm coming from a DK where magic damage means nothing to me, so i'm slowly getting there. Thanks!

[graceful osprey]

I imagine its minor dps gains vs minor survival gains (which, in theory, can be turned into dps gains), but I may be wrong

[strong forum]

the st dmg proc cant be wasted

it always gets its value

[graceful osprey]

Sure^^

[strong forum]

getting the haste proc late or at unfortunate times is a huge loss

but obv in aoe its gonna be massively stronger

[graceful osprey]

Yep

Any numbers on it?

[round pendant]

I need less mastery so bad

[strong forum]

16% uptime on a 25% haste proc

[graceful osprey]

Like, how much higher does st sim for us?

[strong forum]

ST dmg proc can do anywhere from 1.5k dps to 6k dps

depending on luck

[graceful osprey]

Hmm

[strong forum]

its rppm

meaning

it can proc 10 times in 3 minutes, then doesnt proc for 7 minutes straight

over the course of 10 minutes its procced 10 times, but its not guaranteed to get 1 proc each minute

thats how it works

and why the ST proc is safer

[graceful osprey]

yeah, I know it's extremely rng heavy

do ya have the numbers on how much the haste is dps wise

on st and aoe

assuming non-shit gear

like me

^^

?

[strong forum]

nah

[graceful osprey]

guess I'll just sim it once I get geared

[strong forum]

i could do a gear compare

with my gear

[graceful osprey]

if whelp is working properly then

if you could that'd be greatly appreciated

[strong forum]

st proc is 500 dps loss on over 415 whetstone on 1t 5min

haste is 1k dps loss

[graceful osprey]

gotcha

thanks for the help!

[strong forum]

haste proc is 160dps gain on 5t 7min vs 415 whetstone

ST proc is 655 dps loss

[graceful osprey]

very interesting

I'm not saying haste is go-to over st or anything

[round pendant]

I went into a TJS and halfway through realised I didn't have my TJS talents on

[graceful osprey]

but I don't think it's like

completely absurd to go for

[strong forum]

no its not

but like i said, ST proc cant lose value

haste one very much can

thats the only real diff

[graceful osprey]

yeah I'm aware that sim favors haste

compared to a real scenario

[strong forum]

getting 25% haste proc is big dopamine tho

[graceful osprey]

but especially given how shitty my warriors gear is I think it's an interesting consideration

+I love playing/feeling haste

so clearly biased

[strong forum]

cant forget the fun part

of the game

[graceful osprey]

yep^^

[surreal thunder]

what would u guys recommend putting a talent point into instead of barbaric training

[strong forum]

ive linked a few builds in pins

[graceful osprey]

really appreciate the help anyhow!:)

[strong forum]

none of em run barbaric

talent plays like ass and the potential dmg gain from it is within margin of error

so you gain nothing but get a worse rotation

[surreal thunder]

Which of your talent trees without it would you recommend?

[strong forum]

the one labelled as "best for m+ imo"

[surreal thunder]

ok thx

[prisma crow]

is it better to let an orb through on vex or not?

[wide charm]

isn't it also less damage per rage point ?

25% more damage for 50% more rage

[prisma crow]

so letting an orb through stops an ability then?

[urban portal]

Barb training will be good once we have a different tier

[mighty valley]

barb training can be fine if our rage gen becomes so consistently high that we're never at risk of missing a revenge gcd anyway

right now if we're not in CDs or don't have a ton of targets for bloodsurge procs it drains us bad

[urban portal]

Yea

Barb training has a purpose

It’s not a bad talent

It’s just not good with the current stats

If arms had barb training affecting mortal strike

It’ll be #1 spec

[strong forum]

once we get a bit higher abundance of rage, or in an MDI setting, its a good talent

[hollow flower]

Hey is it possible they fixed the intervene cheese for fenryr? I tried it today and it didnt seem to work

[carmine wadi]

Does somebody of you use horn of valor? Got it in my chest but I dont know if I should take it 😦

[inland yoke]

noobie question but does it really make sense to take 1 point of Crushing Force over Pain and Gain? Or is the ICD too limiting on PAD?

[pallid quiver]

Pain and Gain will also kick in during times where you lose less than 1% of your max HP, so

That being said

what do you mean 1 point in crushing force, doesn't that buff SS damage?

why don't you have both points

[sand mason]

I’ve dropped pain and gain and don’t miss or feel it

[inland yoke]

What are you dropping?

[strong forum]

your intervened target probably just ran too far away

intervene has a 10yd requirement

you gotta stay close to the target

[hollow flower]

Oh ok thx

[strong forum]

you always run 2/2 crushing force

what is your talent build

[pallid quiver]

Yeah

That's my question

[inland yoke]

ahhh I was running the wowhead (old?) M+ it had intimidating shout

[pallid quiver]

... i still run int shout

[inland yoke]

so that was dropped for PAG

[strong forum]

i can guarantee you, wowhead build ran 2/2 crushing force

always

[warm plinth]

wowhead build is not recommended, but it definitely has 2/2 crushing force

[inland yoke]

No I have 2 crushing, I didn't have PAG

[warm plinth]

Wowhead's sin is Barbaric Training and Enduring Alacrity

[strong forum]

ah

well yeah s ure

[pallid quiver]

If you have 2 in crushing and a point in pain, I'd drop pain for Int Shout, personally

[strong forum]

i dont run pag either

its only 1.5khps

nothing relevating

i prefer bounding stride

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't run it either

Bounding Stride is BiS

[pallid quiver]

I run bounding and int shout

[warm plinth]

Same

[strong forum]

i run whats in the pins

[warm plinth]

I run what's in Nome's brain

Well

I don't run Titanic throw

which is in the pinned build

last I checked

[strong forum]

i dont run it rn either anymore, but its still super solid pickup

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think you have that instead of bounding

[strong forum]

cant go wrong with it

[daring marlin]

Titanic is pretty fuckin' cool

[warm plinth]

Which is fine

[pallid quiver]

I don't run Titanic Throw, either; that's my flex point

[daring marlin]

I love it

[ember tangle]

i seem to remember something about battle-scared veteran proccing prematurely, is that still the case? or was it ever the case?

[warm plinth]

Titanic spread range is actually fucking crazy

[daring marlin]

I played it a bit last week

[strong forum]

still the case

BSV big kaka

[warm plinth]

I used Titanic Throw on the right-most mob in the last pack of TJS

And it hit all of the mobs

[strong forum]

yeah its massive

[daring marlin]

I kinda wish it had the heroic throw from prot tree baked in

[inland yoke]

ok so it drops BT

[daring marlin]

so it also did deep wounds and more dam

[ember tangle]

some peeps were saying i should run bsv on broodkeeper so i live more easily when i get stunned in a tremor due to missed kicks

[strong forum]

thats.

[warm plinth]

I do wish titanic wouldn't hit Cced mobs though

Niche scenario but still

[strong forum]

the solution to the problem

[warm plinth]

I love the spread on it but wish it wouldn't hit CC

[strong forum]

is already named within the problem

lol

[pallid quiver]

That is an interesting argument right there considering

[ember tangle]

i phrased it that way

[strong forum]

yeah

[round pendant]

"tank adjust"

[daring marlin]

yes hello dps

one kick pls thanks

[strong forum]

but yeah, BSV does nothing there

cuz itll just perma proc from each stoneclaw hit

lol

and be on CD

[ember tangle]

that was what i thought, i just wanted to check

ty for advice

[frosty jungle]

Guys, a question, how much haste is recommended for comfortable tanking?

[warm plinth]

As much as you can get 🤷 I have 21% on my warrior and I'm pretty comfortable

[round pendant]

I hate this cloak I have

[strong forum]

if you run HR + Battering ram, you wont feel the lack of haste

[round pendant]

vers/mast cloak 🤢

Should I replace with potion-stained or try to get the one from HoV?

[strong forum]

i have the hov one at 421

moar haste

[round pendant]

Damn I'm jealous

I have no 421 gear tho

need to start doing them keys damn

[frosty jungle]

I only have 17% since I have no luck with the items, so should I keep searching until I exceed 20%?

[strong forum]

get as much haste as you can

only at 7k+ haste value do you wanna actively stop going for haste

which isnt reachable this season

[toxic pewter]

do you expect next season we will get 7k

[strong forum]

unless you get every single big haste slot item

ye

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[frosty jungle]

Oh, ty all

[warm plinth]

Yeah 35% haste is attainable this season so 40% should be pretty easily obtained next season

[strong forum]

well i mean specifically 7k value

[warm plinth]

7k is 40% though

6970 or w/e

[strong forum]

well

[pallid quiver]

inb4 no items have haste next season

[strong forum]

im at 30% with only 4k haste

sooo

yeh

[pallid quiver]

they hotfix ones that currently have haste

[warm plinth]

yeah because you have haste from other sources

[strong forum]

yup

[warm plinth]

I was referring to haste from rating, sorry. I should've been more clear.

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/kXD3qXX.png

ye lots of people dont loot at haste from rating

cuz this is only like 23% haste from rating

so nowhere near breakpoints yet

[warm plinth]

yeah

[daring marlin]

Hoof givin' lots

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming you guys are both running ItF?

[daring marlin]

Generally yeah

[inland yoke]

what are your other stats with that much haste? holy moly.

[strong forum]

no

[sick sentinel]

how many catalysts have we had so far DF and what is the plan after 6 per character

how does it go after 6

[strong forum]

4

you cant store more than 6 at a time

[warm plinth]

There's a bug with the catalyst quest this week if you have more than one toon btw 👀

[inland yoke]

What's the bug?

[strong forum]

okay ingame im only at

[sick sentinel]

well, it was literal tell me "you can have 6", i can check my outplayed if it caguht it

[strong forum]

kek

[warm plinth]

Once you complete it on your first toon, log to another toon and you can pick up the quest again

[round pendant]

damn I gotta fix my stats

[warm plinth]

And it will actually give you the charge too when completing the 2nd quest

So you can get to 5 instead of 4 this week

[strong forum]

wait i have exactly 10k attack power

[daring marlin]

lol wtf

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-corey-vidal-effortless-that-was-easy-basic-gif-20219862

[sick sentinel]

ah you lucky

[inland yoke]

good because if they made it account account wide it should be an account wide currency

[sick sentinel]

i didnt turn on out played

so it didnt caputer, i like this word better so it stays

[warm plinth]

Well you're not supposed to be able to do that

It's a bug

Once you complete it on your first toon, you get the charge on every toon

You should only be able to have a max of 4 charges this week

[strong forum]

some people even have 6

[warm plinth]

Yep

[strong forum]

cuz lmao bugs

[sick sentinel]

unless i crazy

or blind

[warm plinth]

This makes more sense, I was like surely Nome isn't running ItF 😂

[strong forum]

Only in raid

Or in AA/cos lowkeys to pad

[sick sentinel]

see

[warm plinth]

That will only ever show 1 charge

[daring marlin]

I'll have to check to see if my pally has the quest available when I get home

or dk

[warm plinth]

Yeah hopefully they don't fix it before you get a chance

[daring marlin]

be hilarious

[warm plinth]

What is the issue exactly that you're having?

[sick sentinel]

i wish to know how many have been released

[daring marlin]

4 total

[sick sentinel]

and if its 6 that you can get total

[daring marlin]

without bugs

[sick sentinel]

or how you get after 6, or 4, or whatever the cap is

[warm plinth]

I just explained the bug to get past 4

4 is the actual cap right now. Going past that is a bug.

[sick sentinel]

huh, so you cna bug out the game for more? i don't fully understand but okay,

[daring marlin]

If you have an alt, apparently.

[warm plinth]

/dump C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2166).quantity

This script tells you how many charges you've earned total

/dump C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2167).quantity

This script tells you how many you have available on the character you're currently on.

[sick sentinel]

if we go to season 2 mythic + and there is season 2 big patch 2's raid does that also mean i lose easy access to valor upgrade mogs

cuz like, im thinking it will switch from the LFR/n/h/m voti mogs to whatever 10.1 raid set mog is

[warm plinth]

what does this mean

[daring marlin]

If you don't complete the appearance this seasom that's correct

[sick sentinel]

RN if u put gear in the machine, u get tier, everything from the set, so cloak and ETC

[daring marlin]

In that case you'll need to raid VOTI.

[sick sentinel]

and if u upgrade to appropriate, u get mogs

[warm plinth]

Yeah catalyst is only for current season items

So if you don't get the entire set this season, you'll have to farm the raid

[daring marlin]

You have plenty of time, though.

Stay consistent.

[warm plinth]

Yeah you have more than enough time. The only way you won't get is if you just don't convert the items

[sick sentinel]

so, what i am getting at is, i want to make a DK, and possibly a paladin, try to get some easy heroic set pieces

[warm plinth]

Right

[sick sentinel]

so, if i run out of catalysts, or the valor no longer provides that mog, i run out of easy ways to get it

[strong forum]

Yes

[warm plinth]

How would you run out of catalayst charges though

You have 4 right now, which means you can get 4pc right now as soon as you obtain convertible pieces.

[sand mason]

And it’s 4 for every character

[warm plinth]

And we still have at least a couple months before the next patch

[warm plinth]

(meaning 10.1, not 10.0.7)

[sick sentinel]

already did the gloves cuz mog, and 5/5 comfy

[sick sentinel]

no worries, im versed in computers and electronics

[ocean prairie]

guys is there a mouseover[dead] macro for engineering wrists? or do i have to click the person first

[warm plinth]

/cast [@mouseover,help,dead]Arcing Vital whatevers should do the trick

I can't remember the name of the tinker as you can see

[quiet monolith]

does this look good for straight ST damage

like terros/eranog

[cerulean fox]

any strats to cheese the mage tower?

or just get good

[warm plinth]

Yeah looks pretty typical to me @quiet monolith

[quiet monolith]

thanks man

[warm plinth]

Mage tower should be fairly easy once you get some practice on it

It's much easier this time around

[quiet monolith]

as a war is mage tower easieer on prot?

[warm plinth]

Eh it's a different scenario so not sure

[lone eagle]

guild fell behind a couple weeks due to deaths and surgeries

[warm plinth]

I did arms back in Legion and it was easy enough that I did it in like 10 tries with never playing arms before. Idk about now

[lone eagle]

Mythic Broodkeeper; what's kind of the tank plan re: Stoneslam Detonation that guilds are doing now after the 63% nerf?

Is any tank able to solo tank their own Detonation now?

Or is it still hella sketchy

[rotund thicket]

i solo it every time with SW or TD from evoker

[lone eagle]

What's kind of the methodology with the healing reduction existing as well?

IP spam to max IP, be in d-stance, demo shout right as claws goes out

then just shield wall while continuing to IP spam as detonation goes out?

Nothing else fancy?

obv SR

Spell Block also works on it according to the Google Sheet

[jade tartan]

this fuckin bird boss in aa

no idea what to do against him

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming you're rotating defensives, yeah?

[jade tartan]

i am playin 23s

so yea

[warm plinth]

So tell your healer to stop playing with himself and heal you

[jade tartan]

we wiped to it on 15%

he had 60k hps and i had 40

its just insane

makes me /wrist this boss

[warm plinth]

How were you guys doing the goals?

Like at what stacks

[jade tartan]

4

[warm plinth]

Hmm, idk. Did you guys wipe because you died or because screech killed you?

[jade tartan]

cuz i died

the whole fight my hp bar was a rollercoaster

[warm plinth]

What was your healer if you don't mind me asking?

[jade tartan]

pally

[warm plinth]

Did he sac/bop you at all?

[jade tartan]

bop no

sac yes

[daring marlin]

I'd recommend a cancelaura bop macro

[warm plinth]

Hm, yeah idk man. Crawth is indeed quite the bitch on tyrannical

[daring marlin]

especially for crawth

[jade tartan]

i do have that. but its difficult in a pug

[warm plinth]

Yeah, especially getting it used at the right time

[queen mountain]

are there any races huge for a new mythic+ tank?

[warm plinth]

So you don't waste a defensive

[jade tartan]

its not only being used at the right time

[warm plinth]

Dwarf/DID, nelf are both quite strong

[jade tartan]

its also about the meele ape not gettign clapped

[warm plinth]

:kekw

[daring marlin]

🦍

[queen mountain]

aight thanks

[jade tartan]

dwarf is good for the occasion

i know

can remove the bleed once. which can help alot

but cmon that cant be how the boss has to be played

[warm plinth]

Yeh, that's a help. But he still just fucks, especially since the initial hit is fucking brutal on its own and dwarf can't do shit about that

[jade tartan]

yea, but you could combine racial + iv

[warm plinth]

Idk how the fuck it's okay for that mechanic to be unavoidable

[jade tartan]

and be fine

[warm plinth]

yeah

[jade tartan]

the 2nd boss in RLP

is also mad

[warm plinth]

Yep

[jade tartan]

all these bleeds hurt so much

[warm plinth]

Just reroll BDK I guess x_x

or prot pal

[slim dove]

just play bdk and death strike it

kekw

[jade tartan]

yea, but they struggle on other parts

more than warrior

🙂

[slim dove]

not really.

[warm plinth]

Prot pally is gonna block damn near as much as us in 10.0.7

[slim dove]

just takes 5iq to play bdk

[warm plinth]

Not to mention they have tons of CDs

[jade tartan]

i mean my trinket setup isnt optimal

playin whetstone and boon

[slim dove]

Armor increased by 20%, Stamina increased by 10% and damage taken from area of effect attacks reduced by 10%.

1 talent point

🙂

[daring marlin]

Pretty nutty talent tbh

[slim dove]

but ofc they lost heroic leap so they're all crying about it

[warm plinth]

Dude I saw that shit and was like meanwhile, in the pwar tree:

[slim dove]

horse buffed by 2 seconds and off gcd

[daring marlin]

Honestly just take horse off gcd

[jade tartan]

What denfensige trinkets would u guys suggest

[slim dove]

seems fine.

[daring marlin]

all they need

[slim dove]

iirc they did.

[warm plinth]

Horse is off gcd now

in 10.0.7

[daring marlin]

huge

[rain light]

no leap???

[daring marlin]

wog next

[slim dove]

no point in dooming but if they go live as such

[daring marlin]

wog on gcd is fucking ass

[slim dove]

pretty cringe

[toxic pewter]

wog on gcd is justified imo, can snipe save a party member from dying, often for free too

yah probably

new ring gonna have so many cool interactions, exciting to see what combos people will come up with

[stuck sequoia]

im blind, where did you read this?

dank

thx

[warm plinth]

Depends on the proc rate

I'm assuming you mean if the shield procs the DoT as well

Yeah could be

I'm assuming the effects are probably 1ppm, maybe 2

So if you can get 3ppm between the damage proc and the shield proccing the damage proc, it'd be comparable to the belt

yeah

I agree

Yeah who knows

[empty locust]

Is Granyth's Enduring Scale any good?

from a pure defensive perspective

Got one, not used it yet

[warm plinth]

No, it's not good

[empty locust]

is there any data on it anywhere?

[warm plinth]

The tooltip 😏

[empty locust]

hard to find good info on prot trinkets

[warm plinth]

Small absorb, armor is useless, and the damage is mediocre, physical, and splits

[sick sentinel]

nearly finished with reputation

[warm plinth]

centaur cap at 25?

[sick sentinel]

them and expidition

the rep boxes dont seem like anything to write home about, but worth doing if that makes sense

[warm plinth]

Yeah I've seen like a few primal chaos, dragon shard here and there, and I think the bottled essences can drop in them

[sick sentinel]

thats what i got out of it, the pet charms is nice for make some lvl 25s,

[warm plinth]

What's a pet

[sick sentinel]

free reputation cuz its a quest sometimes

resembles a pokamons

[warm plinth]

I'm just kidding. The only pet content I've ever done was the pet battle for the rep during the n'zoth assaults

[slim dove]

lmao

pally 10.0.7 talent calc is out

shit is stacked

[sick sentinel]

sooo same problme as always?

combat, burst, forget to bubble, dead

[warm plinth]

I assume he's talking about prot

[sick sentinel]

im not interested in prot pal unless its for mog

[tepid raptor]

I remember back in shadowlands/legion there was a chart or excel which told you where u could spell reflect shit in m+ and what u should keep track of

[slim dove]

yeah im talking about prot.

ret is sustaining 300k on 5 targets rn

[tepid raptor]

To spell reflect

[slim dove]

check pins.

[tepid raptor]

But is there one for dragon flight?

Didn’t see under pins?

[slim dove]

yes

its in the pins

[sick sentinel]

i only want the paladin helmet, maybe boots

[slim dove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[tepid raptor]

Ok found it ty

[frank dust]

should a 397 warrior be able to tank mythic sennarth

[slim dove]

disgusting (im gearing my rdruid)

[slim dove]

tank dam isn't awful on senn but your gonna be sweating a bit.

[frank dust]

ah ok

nvm then

[daring marlin]

bruh

CS cleave+it on AA is fucking hilarious

and the range increase

feels like outlaw rogue

[slim dove]

Can't wait for wake of ashes to 1278% attack power every 30 seconds

ez milly with 1 button every half minute

oh its also a aoe 🙂

[daring marlin]

1 min wings

[chilly brook]

But the question that no one is asking is it fun?

[daring marlin]

🤣

[slim dove]

apparently its giga fun

[chilly brook]

Cuz ret has been dookie to play for years

[daring marlin]

of course it's fun

[slim dove]

its ret now with half the useless shit buttons removed

[daring marlin]

reintroduction of HAMMERS TOO

[chilly brook]

Seraphim being removed is the smartest thing I’ve ever seen them do

[west sphinx]

Hello, has anyone been experiencing a spell reflect bug on Razageth where it fails to reflect electric jaws and instead hits twice?

[hollow scroll]

Doesn't electric jaws have the physical part then the magic part, split out in details

[sick sentinel]

2nd non free spark

[hollow scroll]

Always see it as I watch my co tank forget a personal and die in 0.1 seconds on his dk

[sick sentinel]

dropped from 11 TJS on valor farm

[west sphinx]

This is what I experienced

[hollow scroll]

Physical, magic then dot? @west sphinx, details just doesn't tell u which part is what and splits it

[wide charm]

how do i make a macro that will only kick focus if there is a focus, and target if there is no focus

?

meaning that if i press interrupt and focus is out of range it will not interrupt target

[west sphinx]

The last few weeks I was not taking that same damage load and the mechanic was showing as reflected damage back in my damage breakdown

[wide charm]

ok i found how

[hollow scroll]

Ngl, I dunno then, only just got to heroic raz this week and it's fun being wombo combo'd

[west sphinx]

Well, at least spell block worked as intended.

[lone eagle]

you think Heavy Repercussions or ITF on M Diurna boss tanking?

I would think HR from a practical standpoint because you spend a lot of time with the boss group split up when doing lasers

and you are less likely to have 5 targets if you aren't melee heavy

ITF still technically numerically better but I would imagine the gap is very small as a result of those mitigating circumstances

[slim dove]

i run HR but im a 2/8 pug noob and only have solo tanked heroic brood

i figure the gain on ITF is too small to risk any gaps in SB uptime

[oak ivy]

Any mitigation tips for M kurog

[lone eagle]

Whats your cotank

Generally whoever has better magic mitigative toolkits should tank first

because whoever tanks first will eat an extra earth smite and an extra sundering strike

[lament basin]

Anyone have a video on how to stack the fire lines in TJS 3rd boss jade phase? Thought I knew it but apparently not

[oak ivy]

My cotank is a BDK, I'm tanking first, pulling literal R1 HPS parses

57% Mit

[lone eagle]

Yeah

fire isn't a big deal because its generally least sketchy

so I tank first on fire

but VDH or BDK should absolutely tank boss first in p2 and p3

[oak ivy]

We're not making it into p2

[lone eagle]

🤷 can have your BDK tank first then

BDK is OP at that fight

[oak ivy]

Progress, 40% wipe

This boss fucking trucks, hey?

[lone eagle]

did you have BDK tank first this time?

[thin silo]

tanking H-Broodkeeper for a raid struggling with dps
is there a compelling reason not to drop down to only ever breaking 2 eggs at a time in order to squeeze out an extra 2 rounds of beam before P2?

[slim dove]

p2 happens regardless.

[sand mason]

anyone know why my Afenar WA only shows 1 SW charge even if I take double sheild wall talent?

[warm plinth]

When did you update it last? And did you delete it before you updated?

[wooden widget]

The talent v regular shield wall may have a diff spell ID?

[sand mason]

Havent updated since I got it at beggining of xpack... PRobably the problem?

[sand mason]

It still responds to the single stack, but I cant tell if I have the second

[warm plinth]

Could be, yeah

The spell ID should be the same though. Shield Wall is Shield Wall

[frank dust]

how many pulls is good for mythic sennarthh

[forest tulip]

imma be honest, i wish our set bonus was based around SB and not revenge

[thin silo]

P2 happens when all the eggs are broken, doesn't it?
so if you don't triple-break any eggs, there's still 4 left at the end of the "standard"/wowhead route

[fast knot]

P2 will happen at a specific time regardless

My guild mastered the 2 egg strategy before realizing someone else could grab beam

[sand mason]

last updated 12/4/22 -- not an update. Ill figure it out and will report bacl

[thin silo]

thanks -- so after 12 (?) cycles, she hits P2 and empowers her abilities regardless of whether there's still eggs around?

[fast knot]

Our guild was having P2 happen at 2-4 eggs up yeah

which was pretty much a wipe

[inland mesa]

You only do 3 eggs 4 times

[thin silo]

thanks for giving me something I can take to the other officers to save myself a ton of grief organizing a new egg route from scratch!
time to put the screws to our dps instead

[fast knot]

doing 3 eggs instead of 2 is just a healer thing but with gearing and where most people are at shouldn't be a problem

Usually was myself as boss tank, boss healer and a non-boosted dps that were beam nerds

I was always unmarked egg just to make it easy for them

[inland mesa]

Break 1, 3, 4, 10 are 3 eggs, rest are 2 to give you most time for boss damage and transition on time

[thin silo]

yeah we've been doing the triples, but she's been at high enough health in P2 we haven't dropped her
so it was floated as an idea to postpone P2 as long as possible by saving some eggs along the way, but now that I know it doesn't work that way we can stick with the standard strat

[inland mesa]

Lust and blow cds on pull? Pull someone from add team if ending early for more boss damage, put your highest single target on boss

[ocean bloom]

im team ALWAYS HR, the dmg you gain just isnt worth the potential to fuck up SB uptime

[unreal sage]

I think they want let us feel that characters is getting stronger ewch patch So propably there will be better and more impactfull set ponusses further in expansion

[mighty valley]

yeah, these set bonuses were all meant to be a serious step down from the S3 bonuses

[versed berry]

is storm eater's boon any good to use as prot or is it just asking for us to die mid pull (m+) because of it?

[ocean bloom]

if you dont die its big pog

but dieing is not pog

[warm plinth]

Depends if you use it intelligently or not. It's very good damage but obviously using it in a bad place is going to end badly.

[versed berry]

so it is viable as long as im big brain.

[round pendant]

I would just use it to pad low keys hehe

[versed berry]

just ran heroic for loot and the only two things worth grabbing in my vault are heroic boon and a 415 2 hander which would be an upgrade for arms/fury but I very rarely touch them

cant exactly sim to determine which is going to bring me more joy in life. I think Ill just grab the boon. Im running a 411 spiteful storm and rumbling ruby atm.

[sick sentinel]

im just glad i did my ksm and transmog and all that other shit before resub date come back

can just take break now

20s is too hard for me personally

[round pendant]

It will be if that's the mindset you choose

But enjoy your break

If you're not having fun, time to stop

[sick sentinel]

i dont need the stress that comes with running a 22 tjs

[round pendant]

tjs is pretty brutal

[sick sentinel]

i can quite happily live knowimg i wpnt be placed in that exact scenario

[round pendant]

If you use your CDs correctly on the third boss and still die

blame the healer

Last pack, just kite unless you're 100% sure you'll survive the claws

other than that the dungeon isn't that bad

The torch throwers are horrifying on fortified

[mighty valley]

I wish they'd update some vfx in TJS

and add like 0.25s to the cast time of tainted ripple

[inner rock]

TIL, bolstered frogs in TAV can do damage in a +20 if you try to sneak in a boon cast

[wise patio]

just had to solo the last 10mil of the last boss of a +21 AA 🙃

if i can dodge balls for 5minutes why cant everyone else

[mighty valley]

i've...... never seen people die to that boss really

[wise patio]

thats what I'm saying lmao

[round pendant]

That dungeon is so fuckin weird

[inner rock]

for the first time ever I did see people die in AA +19 -- if people take unnecessary arcane damage during the fight it turns into a complete and utter shitshow of like 5 d frogger

[wise patio]

three of the hardest bosses to tank and then the last one is a joke

[mighty valley]

vexamus and crawth were also nothing bosses while we were initially climbing key levels

then bam, absolute fuckers

[wise patio]

crawth you feel like you are just trying to crawl to the next shield wall as fast as possible

[inner rock]

crawth i just feel shitty for the healer once you have to wind goal at the end

[round pendant]

Is crawth actually hard to tank at higher keys?

I've only done a +16 on tyr so far

It wasn't too bad, just felt like a nasty healer check fight

[wise patio]

you have to cycle cds

the healer cant heal at the end really

so you have to know how to space out your cds

[round pendant]

I did notice I feel like it's tricky to have a CD up for savage peck every time

but it doesn't hurt much at +16 so I wasn't forced to do a good job

[ionic fern]

Dwarf+Evoker+CD's.

[round pendant]

I'm orc

[modest gulch]

If anyone knows a guild that is looking for a good tank please let me know. 😦

I cleared terros mythic 3 weeks ago, and because players are so abandoning of that... nothing since.

I've made zero prog in 3 weeks.

[blazing condor]

#promotion looks for tanks usually

[modest gulch]

Not looking for a carry bros, obviously.

Thanks tho

Zero prog in three weeks of guilded shit hurts man

[grave forge]

Build

[ionic fern]

... a house?
... a relationship?
... a boat?

[stuck sequoia]

…a boathouse for his/her future SO

[blazing condor]

[forest tulip]

currently in a +13 SMBG 30 mins over timer on last boss with 70 deaths. AMA

[pallid quiver]

a fort

build a fort

gotta prep for the bugs

[pallid quiver]

how many times have people crossed the wall

[forest tulip]

honestly, not that many. i did once to kinda prove a point. we werent focusing the same add so they told me to charge one so we could focus it

i did

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good morning. 🙂

[ionic fern]

Wait, you have 70 deaths on the last boss or did you fail something eles?

[warm plinth]

Hope you're doing well sir

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bdd4O.gif

[forest tulip]

In total but over half were from the last boss. I have no idea how we did so poorly. We were all close to 400ilvl. I think everyone was half asleep and just refused to do mechanics

[warm plinth]

Is it over at least?

[forest tulip]

Yeah. We finally beat it

[warm plinth]

jesus

[ionic fern]

But..there are barely any mechanics in that dungeon that matter on a +13.

Were you all doing like negative dps?

[warm plinth]

13 tyrannical even, like...what

[forest tulip]

Yeah. I have no idea. We had a DK who just kept dying to everything. Our druid healer was dying because our other druid ran away from him during thundering and they'd get stunned. Then everyone would get whittled down until it was just me

I'm just gonna chalk it up to everyone in that dungeon, including me, needs to go to bed

[amber siren]

[shell mortar]

Is everything alright, pal?

[onyx vessel]

joys of doing sub 16s quality dumpster players

enjoying a nice bricked 15 jade cuz of a shitter healer who couldnt heal me up from the dots on 3rd boss so i just fell over

i love sitting at 20% life like help?

[whole vortex]

Drink more red kool aid

[onyx vessel]

has a cd

[hollow pewter]

Is the M+ build in the pins better than one off wowhead?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[hollow pewter]

Ha

Dude your name

So the Wowhead build has that talent. Is it just bad for uptime on the tier piece bonus?

I'm new to Prot

[whole vortex]

I use barbaric training just to spite ghash

[glacial harbor]

Don’t yell, get better

[warm plinth]

Barbaric Training makes Revenge a very inefficient spender, resulting in you getting less Revenge casts over the course of an encounter/dungeon, which in turn means less opportunity for shield slam resets. The only time it's worth using is to maximize damage in content where you never need to press Ignore Pain defensively (which is basically no relevant content).

[spice iron]

Does it make a difference with what crafted weapon we use? I.E sword/mace/axe

[warm plinth]

0 difference

[hollow pewter]

Thank you. Glad I stepped into the discord tonight

[onyx vessel]

thanks babe

[glacial harbor]

I mean fr tho before u call people shitters u better be doing that boss scripted perfect with cds

[onyx vessel]

i mean 2k io did 18k overall and i sat at 20% so shitter if you dont think so i did another run 384 alt 1300io did better

so whats that

[north dew]

hey guys, how many % versa should i have until i go full crit?

[jagged pier]

Doesnt matter

[north dew]

So, it is not a good idea to go full haste/crit? in exchange for versa?

[onyx vessel]

stats

more is guuder

[jagged pier]

Your over thinkig stats to much

Stats barely matter

[north dew]

ah ok that is what you mean

[round pendant]

Stats are whatever

But more haste and crit is fun imo

[strong flax]

Hi! I have a question, what would you guys use ? Haste vers weapon crafted 418 or haste vers weapon with leech 415 from primal council mythic ?

[warm plinth]

ilevel is all that matters for weapons

Same goes for shield

[jagged pier]

I dunno leech is pretty big tbh

[warm plinth]

I'd rather have damage than leech; we already have a ton of leech

[whole vortex]

I got 17% leech without really trying

Would rather have sockets than leech tertiary though

[chilly brook]

There is no % vers to aim for

Vers stacking is a meme

Just equip highest ilvl

Go crit if you wanna do more damage

That’s it

[ionic fern]

Can i go full vers if i'm a walking meme tho?

[jagged pier]

Only if u use the cursed build

Be even more meme

[blazing condor]

i dont know

[open gazelle]

Question, why does hyrjah on +20 and up keys seem impossible for healers to heal through? I’m doing everything right with tanking the boss it just seems the aoe dmg is too much for every healer I’ve pugged with so far and I’ve attempted about 8 +20 tyrannical keys so far

[round pendant]

Me and other warrior just carrying a +16 CoS

the 1 parse guy just spent half the time dead

[kindred furnace]

logs for key% are pretty meme

[round pendant]

yeah they're whatever

[brittle silo]

would be nice for dps'ers to pop a defensive on a 20. That said, I'm pretty sure a good healer can outheal that with braindead dps...
Also you can pop rally and maybe some other raid cd's for that

[open gazelle]

Believe me I do everything I can

[errant marsh]

hey guys,
for the gems with lariat ...
Is it better to go with gems Crit/haste or haste crit ?
my question is really about the proc.
is it a post somewhere with explication ?

[warm plinth]

Does not matter. Lower stat on the gem will be the proc.

[open gazelle]

It procs both stats randomly

[kindred furnace]

there's also a buffer you can do to her she casts the special based on stacks

[warm plinth]

It does not proc both stats randomly

The lower stat on the gem will be what procs, unless you have multiple different gems

[kindred furnace]

you would hold her in the holy for 4 stacks of the buff and then bring her to lightning for 5 stacks which would cut the damage of her storm by 40%

[brittle silo]

Than it's on dps/healer. It's almost like tempest. Just a heal check. You as a tank can probably live that boss w/o a healer whatsoever, but others not gonna happen.
What healer did you try HoV with?

[open gazelle]

I have two of the same gems with two stats on them… both stats proc

[warm plinth]

Link your armory

[kindred furnace]

it procs off every gem you have

not just the neck

[warm plinth]

It's not just lariat gems

It's any gem

[open gazelle]

I’ve tried a resto Druid, an evoker, and both priest specs

[open gazelle]

Ah that’s it then

[acoustic fjord]

Yall have a favorite build?

[ionic fern]

It's down to healers being bad / not planning CD's / not expecting the damage.

The healer i usually do keys with is a rdruid and on 20's we don't even need defensives.

🤷

[brittle silo]

resto on a 20 just prehot and it's ggez. That's why I've asked what they were playing

[topaz field]

its a group effort tho

[brittle silo]

and as Mwahi stated above, it's just prep and expecting the dmg. There's not random spikes on storm. High but still smooth dmg intake

[topaz field]

i have healed it on 24 yesterday and im relying on my dps to press defensives on 2nd barrier for example

[round pendant]

Damn there's literally no one on my realm doing Primal Molten Longsword recrafts

[topaz field]

or have the rougue feint late on the storm

stuff like that just communicate it pre key