protection

[rugged mural]

One more TJS question. I feel like packs in the 3rd boss area courtyard should be packs you can double or even triple pull. However, double pulls have gone very poorly and the run back is absurd. Any advice for which packs can be pulled together safely?

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

Your dps start dying if you don't pull carefully there, cuz smallies exploding and when youre not careful a melee could get sniped by haunting gaze if you outrange too far, or a fear goes through

[modest gulch]

You have to assign interrupts for double pulls. Only way you can triple pull is if your dps is high enough to blow up targets fast enough that they're not getting casts off.

[rugged mural]

So the smart move - especially in pugs - is to just pack by pack or slow chain pulls?

[strong forum]

Yeah

Pmuch

It's super boring, but also super scary

[rugged mural]

Ok, thank you. I have griefed like 4 keys in there trying to overpull

[plush tendon]

You can pull things together, but you gotta count the number of kicks needed to lockdown a mob in each pull (I believe its 2 melees per mob?) In pug it gets a little spicier cause coordination is poop

[rugged mural]

Feeling really guilty

[uneven mason]

Kicks are paramount

[rugged mural]

Thank you very much guys. Prot discord best discord

[sand mason]

The Pat + the smaller pack after the first pack is a good double

You can ideally double the big infester with something. I generally do it with the 2 pack from the stairs (the mobs you need for count if you skip the pandas)

[slim dove]

the fun move is to pull all 4 tbh

[plush tendon]

[sand mason]

Mad lad. I love it

[jagged pier]

just watch them do that in the MDI then pugs gunna expect that to happen

[strong forum]

Temple mdi is gonna be wild I reckon

Literally mega impossible pulls

[jagged pier]

yep

[rough egret]

ola, is there a macro that will consume pot regardless of its rank?

[strong forum]

Prolly just adding all potions into 1 consume macro?

Since its all off gcd it'll prolly chug whatever is first usable or

[slim dove]

3 elementals + 4 casters

EZZ

[strong forum]

Maybe not that

But smth stupid like that

[slim dove]

tbh with preassigned kicks and stops

[rough egret]

so if I have it /use Elemental Potion of Ultimate Power
then it just consume some of them right?

[slim dove]

i bet its possible

just giga sketch

[strong forum]

Prolly aoe interrupt from war, then pull shit ontop of boss

[paper nexus]

I'm just gonna assume they're trying to make giga pulls work in TJS

[strong forum]

Well yeah, they're clearing it on 21 in only 13minutes

Already

[paper nexus]

Damn that's sicko

[slim dove]

[strong forum]

RLP in 11minutes

[slim dove]

tbh carried by unholy/puzzlebox/PI damage

[uneven mason]

Trash to first boss, that's some peekaboo shit

[slim dove]

unholy basically goes SS4 every 2mins, solos the world, then afks

fun to play with the good ones.

[plush tendon]

MDI is gonna be weird... but im looking forward to The Great Push

[paper nexus]

I wonder how they deal with all the elementals up until the first boss in TJS

[plush tendon]

thats more fun to watch for me at least

long term

[paper nexus]

they usually smack if we double pull them in like a +20

[strong forum]

We'll see this weekend

[slim dove]

cuz nobody LOSs

[strong forum]

First cup

[slim dove]

1 gcd > taking ripple to the face apparently

[paper nexus]

You're not wrong

[slim dove]

one of the reasons i dropped rdruid so quick this expac

get tilted just playing prot war watching dps take dmg just to still do less overall then me

[uneven mason]

Fuck dbgt

[gusty crane]

Im mildly confused when it comes to which trinkets are good for a prot warrior... all the sites say different things 😢

is the whispering incarnate icon BIS?

[strong forum]

It's up there if your group also has it

[gusty crane]

currently I have rumbling ruby and all-totem of the master

[plush tendon]

good combo

[uneven mason]

Ruby whelp is bis for adorable

[plush tendon]

for keys

[strong forum]

Besides that, whetstone, all-totem are big

Rumbling Ruby is solid for aoe

Grieftorch is good if you play around it

[gusty crane]

so whispering incarnate will not be worth it in m+?

[strong forum]

Only if your group also runs it

[plush tendon]

its worth if your DPS and Healer have it

[acoustic oasis]

^

[gusty crane]

oh okay

[acoustic oasis]

Boon is solid if you know when to use it.

But that's a big ol if.

[strong forum]

Boon is spice

Very spice

[plush tendon]

Gotta get a boon to drop first

[gusty crane]

is that the court one?

[strong forum]

Imagine not having heroic boon since week3 LOL

[slim dove]

dathea trinket

[plush tendon]

no, Dathea

[acoustic oasis]

It's from the raid

[strong forum]

Boon is from raid, whetstone is from cos

[gusty crane]

ohhhh right that one

[plush tendon]

the Court Whetstone is like Boon lite; more consistent, less damage, but really good with less risk

[strong forum]

And you don't get rooted

[slim dove]

not rly

i mean one scales with aoe

one doesn't

[acoustic oasis]

Whetstone doesn't root you in place to punish you for your mistakes

[plush tendon]

The only class I have seen that doesnt troll with Boon are Rogues

[gusty crane]

so out of: 402 rumbling ruby, 408 all-totem, 402 Decoration of flame, 408 ruby whelp, 408 whispering incarnate

[plush tendon]

Though im curious about Bubble Taunt Boon Paladin

[strong forum]

Rumbling Ruby + totem for m+

[gusty crane]

O_O

[acoustic oasis]

As a prot warrior I find boon to be very solid just because you can shield wall mechanics you knowm

[strong forum]

For raid you go whelp shell + icon

[acoustic oasis]

But I have for sure killed myself for bad timings/fat finger.

[gusty crane]

thank you

[strong forum]

If you group has icon in m+, you run icon + all-totem

And never look back

[gusty crane]

Yeah

I just struggle to understand the ruby whelp trinket

[strong forum]

There's a wowhead post about it

[gusty crane]

Aight Ill check it out

[strong forum]

Tldr, train it 6 times on a single enemy

And youre Set

[plush tendon]

I find Ruby Whelp to be really inconsistent... but the dragon that comes out is adorbs

so thats worth something

[strong forum]

It's mega hype anytime it procs

But yes, it's inconsistent

Rppm

[plush tendon]

sometimes you get lucky and it procs like 3 times in a minute

and othertimes, he goes awol

[dusky canopy]

Do I have to loot a new one if I want to train the ST proc? I did the haste one on the trinket I have

[plush tendon]

the training affects all Ruby Whelps you have

so youll have to retrain

for ST

[acoustic oasis]

I'm running grimtotems trinket + mythic eranog/heroic boon typically

[dusky canopy]

Does training one remove a point from another? Or could you eventually have all 6/6?

[plush tendon]

you can have a max of 6 points allocated

[dusky canopy]

Got got it so the trinket can be switched around

[plush tendon]

yea, just takes 6 days

[plush tendon]

drop the Eggnog trinket and just use boon for the pump

[strong forum]

It's character wide

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

I’ve pretty much just been running hoof\all totem in all content

[acoustic oasis]

Yeah I only use it if I know an extra "oh shit" would be good.

[strong forum]

Hoof works

[misty sail]

Ring is +10 ilvl or legs for BiS T slot..... but losing my 418 legs with 5x haste Buff

[strong forum]

60k absorb twice isn't really "oh shit"

If you don't use the trinket on CD you waste it

[dusky canopy]

I like hoof because it gets me 36% haste before itf

[strong forum]

Haste legs are bait.

[dusky canopy]

And I have over 10k str when hoof is active

[strong forum]

Yeah stacked up hoof is dopamine

[slim dove]

ive peaked 17k on arms with hoof + tom

beyond orgasm

[dusky canopy]

Those SS be truckin during hoof

[dusky canopy]

You know it my guy

[slim dove]

stars aligned for me on crawth with firestorm + thundering and all CDs

2 stacks of EP

[halcyon dust]

I've enjoyed Whetstone and Rumbling Ruby. Have only raided 3-4 weeks. Prefer M+

[slim dove]

biggest MS of my life.

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah massive MS right there

I like the fatality MS that hit over a mill (in raid)

[dusky canopy]

Freaking lust/hoof/potion and like 6 SS resets in a row

That’s peak dopamine

[uneven mason]

A taste of argus prot

Ss has no CD

[next yacht]

Is hunger of the pack any good for prot?

i have 421 hoof and 408 totem of the master on me now

[plush tendon]

its a stat stick with crit; its not bad, but sim it.... I dont think it beats your current combo

at least for M+

[south marlin]

Do i need to complete a certain level of key to obtain bonus valor?

or what's the fastest way to just grind valor?

[slim dove]

no

just someone in your key needs to get IO from it iirc

[uneven mason]

Find groups on +2s that have no io

As long as someone gets io you bonus up

[slim dove]

yeah its fun to hold W through 2-5s

[uneven mason]

I mean we hold w in 15s

[slim dove]

i mean truly hold W

[uneven mason]

The rest of the group might die though

[slim dove]

oh yeah that usually happens

360 ilvl dps/healers die insta

[vocal nimbus]

how does the idol trinket from nokhud fares?

[plush tendon]

its a good time to get some friends, get their rat alts together, and just starting running keys with em

[vagrant oracle]

^this. It’s essentially free gear and rating for alts and players from your guild/friends.

[glad sail]

What's the TLDR on trinkets I should farm?

Hoof and whelp?

[oak echo]

whetstone, hoof, maybe toe if you're just talking m+

[uneven mason]

Whetstone

[oak echo]

shell is ok but very dependent on fight length and rng.

[uneven mason]

Whelp #1 adorable

And the st nuke trucks

[oak echo]

true it is an S tier RP trinket

[glad sail]

I've got my whelp trained up in haste right now. I'm wondering how much haste is too much haste.

[oak echo]

there isn't realistically a too much haste rn

[uneven mason]

When you hit 6s CD on sb

Then you'll have too much

But that's not realistic

[glad sail]

Gotcha.

[timber forge]

dwarf is life

[dense ledge]

which is the fastest valor farm dungeon? rlp?

[robust quiver]

Do you guys take the stam enchant on boots or the speed? I'm torn

[vagrant oracle]

Out of the ones we ran last night, RLP was the fastest.

[robust quiver]

I guess speed can be a bit situational considering we already have charges and leaps, but stamina seems meh

[uneven mason]

Run fast

Faaast

[timber forge]

mythic 0 give valor? dont remeber

[uneven mason]

No

[vagrant oracle]

For valor it has to be M+ and someone needs a rating a increase

Well rating increase for the bonus

[uneven mason]

Mythic 0 needs to be turned into a lfd queue

[timber forge]

btw to be honest I have few items from m+ a lot of that is from raid and tier set too.. with time it's better trade every item from raid to m+ and transform in tier set with catalyst? (I don't raid mythic, only keys)

[uneven mason]

Wat

[sick sentinel]

i absolutely need to get dk to 70 now

to get the helmet

get heroic version, i love it

[uneven mason]

If you're getting higher ilvl from m+ yes swap, you can also get tier from m+ vault

[dense ledge]

yeah upgrade your m+ loot to tier and upgrade it, assuming you aim to get enough rating to be able to upgrade past what you have from raid

[uneven mason]

I've done exactly 0 actual raids this xpac and had my 4p prior to catalyst

[timber forge]

thanks guys

[sick sentinel]

i could have very easily had 4pc before catalystt

[halcyon nacelle]

any idea why my transmogged shield is not on my back but in my character sheet it is? xd

https://i.imgur.com/4Yi43mb.jpeg

[scenic mural]

Profession tools/equipment

[halcyon nacelle]

ah ty, didnt expect i even had some professions done on that alt

[strong forum]

Everytime you log on, your offhand disappears until you enter combat

Is a bug since 10.0.5

But it's fixed after that until you log off again

[sick sentinel]

thanks to you, i will never unsee this

[uneven mason]

I fixed it by turning ts outfits on/off

[sick sentinel]

cuz i wouldnt have ever thought to look at that

since its hidden wihle mounted and sheathed

thats okay though, harmless jank in a video game is fine and some times makes the game more entertaining

[signal ivy]

Whats everyones talents this week? tryna bust into 21s. just wanna make sure my talents are good

anything must have or anything thats bait

[dense ledge]

I just started doing 20s but dropped batteling ram for disrupting shout and am liking it, feels bad to have it in good groups but as soon as there is one baboon it comes in clutch

[icy bane]

Check the pins, m+ talent build good for most of the dungeons

Can run spell block in AV, TJS, RLp

[twin hinge]

does punish give 10% increased shield slam damage per stack or just flat 10% perma

[signal ivy]

I gotcha, i know all the basics like that, guess i was seeing if thiers any tips for specific encounters or whatever. thank you tho. Is intervene still a thing for fenryr? i thought they hotfixed it

[icy bane]

Yeah you can still intervene fen target

[signal ivy]

hell yea

[timber forge]

spell block in TJS works against Liu boss?

just to know because she hits harder

[south marlin]

what do i change to get the utility buttons to not be see-through? too stupid for weakauras

[amber siren]

there'll be a field called alpha

that'll change opacity

[timber forge]

If I have a good weapon+good shield. I swap loot spec for arms? (sometimes play Fury)

[south marlin]

@amber siren is that for the utility-family?

[amber siren]

Yep

[south marlin]

ty

[uneven mason]

Yeah because you'll wanna go for trinkets

[timber forge]

actually using bis combo I think.. icon and all-totem.. but need better weapons for Fury

[uneven mason]

Fury uses 2h

So you'll still want to stay arms

Otherwise you're just diluting the pool

[mighty valley]

wish they'd just ditch 1hers for fury at this point

well, personally, i'd rather they ditch 2hers for fury

[uneven mason]

I mean I appreciate smf aesthetic

[mighty valley]

but i know that's not gonna happen, so i'll go for the next best thing

[uneven mason]

But right, make up your mind

At least they didn't dumpster fire fury for the sake of smf like they did in cata

"we can't balance this so we'll make it so bad everyone will play something else"

[mighty valley]

With this talent rework they pretty openly said "it's not gonna be very good but it might be easier? sort of? anyway it's taking up talent space, have fun"

[uneven mason]

It's all on the left side

[forest tulip]

so 382 seal of Diruna's Chosen or 411 set gloves even though I already have the gloves but theyre only 402? my rings are also 402.

[unreal sage]

Sim but i think you can loot any gloves and change it for set

And ring is rare, low ilvl but maybe still upgrade

Sim it

[forest tulip]

well i already have the set gloves. these are just higher ilvl. i was just thinking about the ring and using valor to increase the ilvl

good point

[frank dust]

Does anything change for tanks from heroic to mythic sennarth

[dusky canopy]

You stop that

[mighty valley]

they hate me for speaking the truth

[vagrant oracle]

That’s not very unga bunga of you

[dusky canopy]

The next best thing to a shield/1h

Is DW 2h

No freaking way you don’t like the aesthetic of DW 2hs ???

[forest tulip]

yeah, you would think that Fury would dual wield 1H instead of 2H. make 2H unique to arms

[dusky canopy]

[vagrant oracle]

I smell rogues

[forest tulip]

uhhhhhhhhhh

i mean

UNGA BUNGA SMASSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[dusky canopy]

go play frost DK and be “less” cool, with your 1hs

[forest tulip]

My alt is a DH so I just get to be edgy instead

[vagrant oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[dusky canopy]

Fury DW 2h aesthetic is like the literal vision of the chad emote lmao

[silver vessel]

Dw 2h is epic. That can never change. I still remember when they first enabled it. It was amazing, but youd miss so much haha

[forest tulip]

dont get me wrong, i love fury. i love 2h. just the class fantasy of arms and fury kinda clashes for me

[dusky canopy]

Arms as supposed to be a sword master

[uneven mason]

Nothing like 13% base mischance in yellow hits

[dusky canopy]

Fury is supposed to be ungabunga smash face

[uneven mason]

It was worse in beta

[dusky canopy]

I feel like both classes fit those fantasy’s

[silver vessel]

Getting hit gear had never been so valuable! Rip

[forest tulip]

yeah but swinging 2Hs like its nothing?

[dusky canopy]

Yes that’s the ungabunga smash part

[vagrant oracle]

All that rage man

[mighty valley]

most of the "one hand" weapons in wow these days are gigantic anyway

[vagrant oracle]

No block. Only smash

[ocean bloom]

nothing about arms screams "sword master" its all big hits and like "Colossal Smash" "Slam" like theres no Skilled Slash lol

[vagrant oracle]

Parry is for arms

[dusky canopy]

Yea but historically the class has played more like a slow dance well timed hits etc vs fury has pretty much always been face smash keyboard and win play style

[mighty valley]

it does take skill to swing an enormous weapon and actually hit anything

[ocean bloom]

yeah i agree, but the class spec fantasy vs the gameplay fantasy dont really match

imo

Warrior feels more like a "berzerker' rather than a master of all weapons

its all smashing and big hits or lots of hits

[dusky canopy]

Smashing you’re opponent to weaken their armor probably takes skill to do right

I mean how deep of fantasy are we talking

[mighty valley]

arms definitely doesn't feel like a berzerker because it's slow and boring

(i'm allowed to say that in the prot channel, right)

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[ocean bloom]

idk arms isnt slow anymore

[dusky canopy]

It’s very spammy now imo

[ocean bloom]

yea

it plays more like enh

[dusky canopy]

No real downtime waiting for autos anymore

[mighty valley]

i guess i only played it through leveling and stopped

[forest tulip]

i just love the rhythm arms has.

[uneven mason]

Relative to prot every spec is slow

[dusky canopy]

I can’t dig it right now to play it optimally you have to use TC and IP in the CS window and I just don’t have comfortable binds for those two abilities on the arms spec

[silver vessel]

I havent tried arms. Fury was ahead at the start when my prot set was weak and wanted to quest faster, and now my prot set can solo quickly enough so I never go dps spec

[feral stirrup]

Is raidbots topgear simming enhancements properly? I try different enchants on my legs but never see them in the result

[forest tulip]

Fury is the spec I use when I wanna put on the Doom soundtrack and just tear my way through trash packs

[dusky canopy]

And playing without ToM is hard trolling lol

[uneven mason]

Fury and arms chunk, I don't feel the need to go prot in world content unless it's to solo the weekly world voss

[silver vessel]

Just not too much world content that survives longer than a couple seconds either way

[mighty valley]

i'm usually too lazy to switch out of whatever i did my last key in, but prot is better for dense questing zones

[silver vessel]

I leveled a BrM and shit... there seem to be so many more buttons than prot. Maybe im just not familiar yet, but its daunting

[uneven mason]

Funny enough people complain about the amount of prot CDs

[amber siren]

BRM has very high CPM from what ive seen

[silver vessel]

Yeah and prot has a lot of jjst general survivability ones

Brm seems more situational

With exception of spell block/spell reflect/rallying cry ofc

[mighty valley]

monk could do with a bit of a button cull honestly, a few annoying dangling spells

what is Expel Harm still doing here

[forest tulip]

I actually dont feel like prot has that many buttons and Im someone who gets overwhelmed by too many buttons

[dusty bear]

Spell block works for the frontal of the big ones in AV?

[silver vessel]

Yeah prot is cozy

[dusty bear]

wrong tag

[uneven mason]

Literally was down to pressing keg smash in bfa

[mighty valley]

oh, you mean aoe death strike? cool button

[uneven mason]

Well it was just to hold aggro

[silver vessel]

What's your guys second fav tank

[uneven mason]

Bur

[silver vessel]

Bear?

[uneven mason]

Bur goes burr

[mighty valley]

if a gun was held to my head and i had to play another tank... i dunno, probably brew

[forest tulip]

Veng DH

[silver vessel]

I wanted a dps class so leveled a couple, but then realized i only like taking. So how I'm leveling most tank classes lol

[forest tulip]

I like mobility

[silver vessel]

Have a gdruid, brm and working on dh now

[uneven mason]

I like dpsing

[dusty bear]

Does smb can answer me please, spell block works against frontal from those big in AV?

[uneven mason]

I don't like dealing with bad tanks

[silver vessel]

I have a devoker that is fun

And rescue is awesome

[amber siren]

Yes it does

[dusty bear]

Great

[amber siren]

The crystal fury frontal if that's what you mean

[dusty bear]

I got AV 22 on war

rip

[mighty valley]

read the pinned spreadsheet of blocks/reflects

[forest tulip]

I used to hate AA but it's actually my favorite dungeon now. It's so easy

[silver vessel]

I really like AA

[forest tulip]

The hardest part used to be the tree boss but most people seem to have a brain now

[silver vessel]

Also got nerfed a lot

[odd tree]

you should try fire mage, like 5 dmg buttons, and then 50 utility buttons
feels so odd

[pliant compass]

hi all any1 know whats the best talents for raid?

[dusky canopy]

I would suggest using pins or otherwise browse top 10 logs but you’d need to understand why they take what they take and be able to play around it

[pliant compass]

okey thx!

im new to tanking and i find it hard to get high logs

my max log is 91 on hc cant get higher

[modest gulch]

Talents also change per boss, so there isn't one right answer. You wouldn't use the same spec on council (aoe) that you use on terros (st) for example.

[pliant compass]

yeah im with it so far but i dunno what talents to change to thats my problem xD

[modest gulch]

Ah, probably the best thing to do is give them a good read through. Even experienced tanks do this from time to time just to reinforce their understanding or refresh their knowledge.

[forest tulip]

have you all ever had your group finder shut down your group after you accept people even if your group isnt full?

[amber siren]

yeah happens sometimes

[pliant compass]

yeah i get that thx for the help!

[median tulip]

What's the Spell ID of TClap?

[sweet summit]

6343

[blazing condor]

happens usually when you invite two-stacks

[pliant geode]

should I worry about struggling to keep agro early with DPS +20 ILVL than me ?

(not sure my question is clear 😄 )

[gritty bane]

is blazebinder hoof really better than decoration of flame like wowhead states?

[modest gulch]

The only problem with it is you have to time when you activate it because the big aoe isn't instant like decoration. The shield from decoration is meh also, so more damage wins.

[gritty bane]

currently i have a 398 hoof, and a 402 decoration in vault. i also use a 402 rumbling ruby, is it worth to use both hoof and decoration over ruby?

[sick sentinel]

just 1 k to go for whatever this gives

[azure light]

what are we taking here lads?

(press the pictures to see them whole, idk why discord cut them like that)

[lofty widget]

sim it, prob socket or boots

[unkempt rover]

With all these tank buffs, do you think prot should get a buff too?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

Out of fairness

But not balance

Like uhhhhh since day 1 I’ve wanted ravager to be included in anger management

[dusky canopy]

I want SS to be include in AM so I can just only press SS

[tawdry lichen]

Am I right? My vault has this upgrades:

Legs 402 -> 421
Head 411 -> 421 + Sockel

Its legs bc its bigger upgrade AND more ilvl than i could ever get, right?

[stable valve]

Stop, I can only get so erect

[dusky canopy]

Idk socket tier is pretty big value

[stable valve]

Do you mythic raid

[tawdry lichen]

Yes. 4/8

Legs is max 415 tho

[stable valve]

Yeah 421 legs is max you get vs 424 helm

[stable valve]

Ye, I was asking because of the helm you can get from Raz in your vault

[dusky canopy]

Probably right to go legs then I think you can get 424 helm without having killed rasz on mythic, no?

[stable valve]

Yeah you can

I had 424 shoulders vs 421 legs in my vault this week

And I’m only 3/8M

421 legs literally the best we can get

[tawdry lichen]

Nope. But i can sooner or later. Legs are not possible on 421

[sand mason]

Im thinking about race changing to dark iron dwarf boys

make RLP and AA ez$$

[tawdry lichen]

Rly? Set is possible?

[stable valve]

You can get tier from raid bosses you haven’t killed to drop in raid options

[sand mason]

But I feel like im gnna miss Nose for Trouble D:

[stable valve]

Yeah. Few folks on the team have gotten shoulders/helm so far and I think one person has gotten the chest

[tawdry lichen]

I got 421 shoulders Last Time. Think brood would have Been 424…

[forest tulip]

.....i picked a 382 seal of Diruna from my vault thinking I could upgrade it

[stable valve]

Brood is 424

[tawdry lichen]

So idk Why mine are 421 😂

[stable valve]

Idr if non tier 421 shoulder drop in raid or not

[stable valve]

Mythic plus option

[dusky canopy]

Prob m+ option ye

[tawdry lichen]

Confusing

[stable valve]

Not really lol

Mythic plus any can be tier equal to what ilvl reward it says you’ll get

Raid can be any of the 5 tier that drops in raid for the difficulty you have as a vault option

[dusky canopy]

So you’re telling me ppal gets this

And we get fukall!?!?!?

[jagged pier]

yes we get nothing

[median tulip]

If that were the capstone beyond Ravager it would shake things up a bit. Possibly as a choice node with "Last Stand CD is now affected by AM"

[dusky canopy]

4 pts vs 1?

[median tulip]

TBH All I really want is for Bloodbourne and Bolster to swap places, Bloodbourne to be a 1 point talent for the same effect as the current 2 point, and a link to be implemented between Bloodsurge and Bloodbourne.

[lusty tiger]

that would be JUICED

[jagged pier]

i mean what are u gunna put those points in?

[lusty tiger]

bloodbourne and aegis

[forest tulip]

ravager is kinda underwhelming to me

[dusky canopy]

It’d have to be class tree

[sick sentinel]

im still rooting for battle/fury stance 100 rage cost lust

90 rage

[median tulip]

Rage is nice.

[forest tulip]

True. I mean it IS a good ability

but it just feels meh

[lusty tiger]

giving protwar a lust i guess could be nice

who wants to bring a devoker for lust lol

[median tulip]

I don't understrand why the one spec that doesn't get Ravager is Arms, which should be the quintessential Ravager user, and instead they get Bladestorm, which is thematically Fury all the way

[dusky canopy]

I mean could go into bitter immunity, uproar, take spear maybe?

AS cdr

Lots of useful places to put 3 pts

If we had the 3 you linked in 1 to be comparable to the ppal talent I linked

[forest tulip]

Give me a warrior healing spec where you just yell at your group to heal them

[median tulip]

"I ORDER you to stop dying!"

[dusky canopy]

I just realized one screen is from spec tree but all the same mostly

[odd tree]

was mad about this as well, still miss how great ravager was in castle nath

[jagged pier]

u cant take upraor or spear because they are different tiers

[exotic rapids]

You guys are going sophic or frozen devotion for keys?

Frozen is simming higher but the majority seems to enchant sophic now

[sick sentinel]

whats a portal to eastern kingdom i probably already have

horde

[median tulip]

are you only doing single-target sims?

[exotic rapids]

no 5 target patch work 1 min 1,5min 2 min and same for light movement

[odd tree]

also fury ravager feels pretty good since it is tied to AM

[dusky canopy]

If armored to the teeth and reinforced plates are combined to a 1 pointer for example you’d have 2 free pts no? How would that not enable you to take uproar or spear for example?

[tawny badger]

But they’re not a one point talent it’s two points

[sick sentinel]

i have to farm out the silver ooze backpack, already got the bronze/gold model, but the silver one could match with alot of green/silver armors

[dusky canopy]

Oh dur like you said.. its because the 2 pts would have to go in the middle tier
So I guess it would enable bitter immunity at least

And a pt to play with below

[forest tulip]

at what M+ do you start being picky when inviting people?

[pearl quiver]

Hey I have a question can you block during grieftorch channeling ?

[lusty tiger]

+16 personally, but sometimes even lower- not trying to prog keys w pugs lol

[jagged pier]

no

[lusty tiger]

Best For > IO > Class > lust having

with raid parses mixed in

+11 might as well start looking at best for unless you know you can carry (in that case y r u running an 11)

[amber siren]

For Valor

[lusty tiger]

having a competent 5 stack was the best m+ i have ever done

me and 4 guildies

listening to me

[lusty tiger]

mistake but nevertheless

hpal, sp, feral, sv

actually i had 1 +17 HOV i was premade as brm w my rsham bud- the 3 pug dps (fury, sp, ww) were chads

[unkempt rover]

Just buff slam 🤪

[lusty tiger]

just slam?

[unkempt rover]

Just slam

[uneven mason]

Read that little article on guardian, whys it when bdk or pal is big dog everyone's like hey cool I'll accept I'm not first, then warriors are popular and easy it's all raging and crying for nerfs

[lusty tiger]

people still dont forgive fury prot viability

[drifting fable]

tbf there was a lot of disdain for bdk at the end of SL

[mighty valley]

almost certainly just historical attachment - the first implementation of bladestorm ever was as an Arms talent, you'd upset too many people by switching it around now

[lusty tiger]

and now we have windfury and fury built in

[sick sentinel]

2h + shield plus reprisal + lust whn

[lusty tiger]

some guild wars crap here

[sick sentinel]

only fair really

[lusty tiger]

ur a pokemon trainer now?

[solar agate]

I want to switch from dps to tank in m+: I am 414 ilvl as Arms, for Prot I have 402 weapon, shield and a 398 Enduring scale trinket (the other one in 421 whispering icon). All enchants and gems are for arms. (21 cirt, 30 haste, 10 vers in prot). I have tanked around 5-7 dungeons, I know what to press but I'm still not good at it, take quite long to press it all and freeze up with what to press for a split second way to often. And panic (a lot of panic). I'm scared to lead a group, mess up personal mitigation and die and wipe the group and brick the key - what key lvl m+ is safe to do as practice with my gear (this week)? So it's still a challenge for a baby-tank like myself but not a complete cakewalk where I take no damage.

[uneven mason]

3.5 monkey grip sword mastery fighter

[lusty tiger]

tank keys and log- send the logs here

profit

[lusty tiger]

as high as u can survive

[uneven mason]

At over 400ilvl you can hold w in 15s

[median tulip]

If you get good you can tank 20s in that gear. Your play matters far more than your gear.

[solar agate]

That's my question - I don't want to let the group down by joining a key that is too high and not survivng it

[lusty tiger]

who cares

[uneven mason]

Also vendor those defensive trinkets

[solar agate]

I do

[lusty tiger]

pugs deserve pain and suffering

[median tulip]

Also, what other trinkets do you have?

[lusty tiger]

take your trepidation and remorse and just toss them out the window

[uneven mason]

Along with that scale

[solar agate]

That's why I added that "i'm take long to press right buttons" to the equation

[median tulip]

You need to develop the proper tank attitude to whiny DPS, which is: Fuck 'em

[uneven mason]

Ha

[lusty tiger]

practice on dummys 8 min/day

[uneven mason]

That's 90% of tanking just press buttons

[lusty tiger]

thats 4 trinket rotations

[median tulip]

There's 10 DPS apply for every spot in a key. Why should I GAF about what they think?

[mighty valley]

god damn, this article reads like the most boring SL era warrior discord whining

[uneven mason]

Prot is easy, if SS is up, press, if not press tc, if not press revenge

[mighty valley]

raise your standards, wowhead

[solar agate]

Dummy doesn't lose aggro. I do. Somehow. And do 20k overall dps im the dungeon while doing way more on the dummies. And I know why - because I panic and take to long to press all the buttons. But I don't panic on the dummies. The solution is to just play m+, the question was not about that

[lusty tiger]

1. hit every SS proc
2. spend rage in order: sb > revenge > ip
3. don't overcap rage

[uneven mason]

With less constructive thoughts on how to work with what we have

[drifting fable]

most of your buttons youre just gonna send on cd anyways

so dont overthink it

[lusty tiger]

always have a plan for aggro: ravager, aoe taunt, whetstone, taunt, misdirect request

[silent anchor]

what are the stances for this?

[uneven mason]

So key rule for prot CDs is just send it, use your CDs, press SS > TC> revenge hit ip when at 65 rage, use SB when engaged

[mighty valley]

you can look them up on wowhead but they don't change how you play at all, it's all just good passive benefit

[median tulip]

The key things to understand about tanking as prot are as follows:

1. NEVER overcap Rage
2. ALWAYS have Shield Block up in combat
3. Shield Block and Ignore Pain are off the GCD; you can weave them between regular abilities.
4. The priority on your builders is Shield Slam > Thunderclap
5. You mostly spend on Revenge, Ignore Pain to prevent overcapping
6. You fight in BStance, DStance only for Tankbusters
7. Avatar has a ~30s CD if you burn Rage correctly

[solar agate]

Shoudln't I just send Ravager in first every pack I can before charging to gen more rage to get avatar (and wall) back off cd faster?

[uneven mason]

You can

There's a tick delay on ravager

[drifting fable]

its bugged and you technically lose 1 tick of damage but its better for aggro

[lusty tiger]

if ravager is up u dont need the rest- that is your plan

[uneven mason]

If it travels

[median tulip]

I usually just use Ravager with a player target macro

[uneven mason]

So if you send ravager at range it'll not tick Right away and the mobs run out

[mighty valley]

i still pre-throw ravager, i'll happily burn the tick to save a GCD once i'm in there

[lusty tiger]

ye

[median tulip]

/use [@player]Ravager```

[mighty valley]

especially since charge sends the signal to DPS to lose their entire brains

[uneven mason]

I drop mine at cursor

[median tulip]

I have a Cursor one as well

[drifting fable]

i do player cuz im a lazy fuck

[uneven mason]

I've started hitting SC right away if I have a big pumper

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I have both player and cursor macros

[median tulip]

My usual opener is Avatar + Shield Charge. But then I am a Battering Ram enjoyer.

[lusty tiger]

u wanna demo b4 SC

if u can

[uneven mason]

I normally try to have DS up before I SC because pump, but it's a great aggro tool

[solar agate]

I tried that. It is obviously true. It doesn't emphasize however how CRUCIALLY important it is to get to 144k ignore pain absorb asap and try to sit there and add Ignore pain as soon as mobs eat through it. Otherwise the damage becomes to spiky.

[lusty tiger]

no

[mighty valley]

yeah same, i'll usually do one TC for initial aggro, then Demo Thunderous Shield Charge

[lusty tiger]

FRICK ignore pain absorb

[uneven mason]

Wat

[median tulip]

With Booming Voice, yeah

[drifting fable]

nope, ip number is actually something we dont really care about besides fringe cases

[median tulip]

LOL no

[drifting fable]

most of the time its always up because you are literally hitting ip that much

to not cap on rage

[uneven mason]

IP isn't your primary mitigation

SB is

[lusty tiger]

theres a reason in the 3 guides we all just hand wrote u ip was barely mentioned

[drifting fable]

rage almost at 100? IP

if not

something else

[mighty valley]

god damn that message was surgically designed to set off the entire discord, good job

[uneven mason]

IP just happens when you need to dump rage, it's only watched when you're bracing for a big tankbuster

[median tulip]

Please understand this: Ignore Pain is not a button you press for the Ignore Pain shield/absorb/buff. Ignore Pain is a button which reduces your Avatar and Shield Wall CDs by 3.5s, and triggers Indomitable for 3.5% of your HP, and merely happens to give you the absorb

[sick sentinel]

IP is yeet and delete

[lusty tiger]

damage isnt spiky unless youre sitting in arcing strikes or something

[plush tendon]

I changed the spell tooltip of IP to read "Reduces Avatar CD by 3.5 seconds and may "snipe" a free SS'

[pallid quiver]

To be fair, that's kinda easy to do

[mighty valley]

i mean, on pull, you mash IP anyway because your rage gen is at its highest, you just don't actually have to give anything up for it

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't reset SS

[uneven mason]

IP can't proc SS

But it does cycle rage

[pallid quiver]

That's actually why it, over time, costs more rage than revenge

[plush tendon]

with the macro

[pallid quiver]

Because revenge can offset its cost by resettin SS

[plush tendon]

XD

[mighty valley]

yeah, the wording is a little weird but i get what you're saying - it can catch a proc you might've missed otherwise

but it doesn't create one

[uneven mason]

The macro is just to snipe a reset from devastator or TC or rev

[pallid quiver]

I'd use the wording snipe a reset

[plush tendon]

yea

[pallid quiver]

Ye, that

[median tulip]

@solar agate If you are doing something like tracking Ignore Pain with a weakaura, delete it; You literally do not care about whether you have Ignore Pain or not. Track your Shield Block, but not your Ignore Pain

[plush tendon]

thats a good word; we edited it

"Reduces Avatar and SW CD by 3.5 seconds and may "snipe" a free SS'

[solar agate]

Ok, that was important to read, I'm happy I started the conversation.

[drifting fable]

when in doubt keep that rage below 100

[solar agate]

I don't have a weakaura, I see how much absorb shields is on me from any sources. And I track Shield Block ofc

[drifting fable]

and you win

[plush tendon]

honestly, when you put it like I did, IP sounds pretty good

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, if you're doing your opener properly, you will get IP up without fussing over it, and its maintenance from there is automatically handled if playing well

[uneven mason]

It's one of our strongest offensive abilities

Because outburst

[pallid quiver]

It's also not really that much extra defensiveness. It matters, but won't save your life

[uneven mason]

200k SS crits omnomnom

[median tulip]

Anger Management is really the core of everything for us. Get Angry. More Angry. TOO ANGRY TO DIE

[pallid quiver]

imagine critting on your outburst SS

;-;

[lusty tiger]

during thundering w blazebinder and pot up

[median tulip]

Did that on Crawth yesterday xD

[solar agate]

It's not like what I said contradicts the notion of Anger management. It's the question of revenge vs ignore pain really.

[pallid quiver]

There isn't a question

It's both if playing well

[lusty tiger]

the answer is revenge

[median tulip]

Revenj > IP

[pallid quiver]

If you are having to decide between the two, you messed up

[uneven mason]

If you have 4p revenge creates IP for you

Just saying

[drifting fable]

IP is off gcd, revenge is not

thats why its important to use IP as a throttler

[median tulip]

@solar agate This is a useful macro:

/use Ignore Pain
/use Shield Slam

[uneven mason]

This is important

[drifting fable]

because you can use it whenever

with the internal CD ofc but ya know

[mighty valley]

the question of sacrificing revenge for building a bigger IP only comes up in bleeding edge mythic raiding or the biggest keys in the world where a maxed IP is literally the only way to survive a tankbuster

[solar agate]

When the boss does a tank buster I prefer to have extra 144k hp to spare though. Really helps out the healer and still spends rage. Not like Shieldblock is ever NOT avaliable when you need it with 2 charges and Shield Charge.

[mighty valley]

and afaik there's not really a situation like that this tier

[solar agate]

I'll add it to my shield slam right away

[pallid quiver]

No

It replaces your IP keybind

[median tulip]

Nah. That's your IP macro

[lusty tiger]

dont spend any brainpower on ignore pain absorb amount

[mighty valley]

this is too many negatives for me to comprehend - but shield block should absolutely be 100% available

[pallid quiver]

You keep a separate SS keybind

[uneven mason]

So uh what spec are you using

[median tulip]

The idea with that macro is that if you get a SS reset in the split second you are thinking about pressing IP, it'll snipe the reset for you

[mighty valley]

if your IP spendings are ever causing you to miss Revenges, you're hurting your entire rage economy by missing out on shield slam reset opportunities

[solar agate]

I fucked up the wording. I meant it's always avaliable when you ran out of current one, yes

[mighty valley]

it's long-term worse for your survival and your damage

[median tulip]

Shield Block stacks duration to 3 times the base duration

[uneven mason]

I'm bad and use sb on CD always

[solar agate]

I see, thanks

[pallid quiver]

You can stack SB, if you didn't know that

The wording concerned me, so

[median tulip]

@solar agate So if you have Enduring Defenses (& you should), it'll stack to up to 24 seconds

[odd tree]

my raid lead who's playing prot didn't know that until this past weekend

[pallid quiver]

to be fair, i don't think it tells you it stacks on the tooltip

[drifting fable]

[uneven mason]

So I think an important lesson qneetza, as a warrior you focus damage over defense, it's how we play, the defense is a side effect of our DPS focus

[median tulip]

If you have Shield Charge, Enduring Defenses and Heavy Repercussions you have to be really unlucky to drop Shield Block

[drifting fable]

yeah but

just like

press it twice

[pallid quiver]

I'm at work so I can't double check but

People don't experiment

[median tulip]

It does not

[pallid quiver]

Hell, people don't even like touching dummies

[solar agate]

I knew It could be extended, I've never paid attention by how much I've extended it but I'm pretty sure I've never seen 24 seconds because I didn't revenge enough

[median tulip]

I can get the Valdrakken tanking dummy to 88 stacks before it kills me

[pallid quiver]

the amount of times i've been yelled at for recommending people go to dummies

[drifting fable]

24 seconds is just the max you wont be actually getting there often

[pallid quiver]

I got to 60 recently before getting bored 🙂

I should try and push further

Nothing will beat pre patch, tho

[median tulip]

Back in SL I got the one in the Necrolord sanctuary to 114

[pallid quiver]

Got up to like 280 stacks before I just physically had to go

[uneven mason]

TFW you've got a haste proc and lust, and SS resets every GCD

[median tulip]

pre-patch was just broken

[pallid quiver]

hell yeah it was

We love trash games

[drifting fable]

true i said often

[lusty tiger]

should be the DF version of @chrome falcon banner video

[frank dust]

any ways to make gold besides buy tokens

[median tulip]

The thing you really need to get with Prot is that were are a Carpal Tunnel Spec; because several of our most important buttons are off-GCD, we have a very high APM

[lusty tiger]

raids, professions, gathering, boosting

[uneven mason]

Banner was to sl as demo shout uptime was to bfa as bc was to antorus prot

[median tulip]

I miss the banner. It was fun as fuck.

[lusty tiger]

also too toxic of a tank playstyle

[odd tree]

my hands often hurt after a couple keys

[uneven mason]

It's for the warlockd

[median tulip]

"Here's a thing that gives you Rage. You can extend it by spending Rage"

Blizz really didn't think that one through

[uneven mason]

They did

[drifting fable]

thats why they nerfed it for dps

[lusty tiger]

like 5x

[odd tree]

i wish they wouldn't have thought so much about fury when they made banner

[uneven mason]

I mean 80% of sl banner was dumpster fire quality

[plush tendon]

I wish we got more banners

[odd tree]

that nerf hurt

[median tulip]

Unity tho

[drifting fable]

really only got good because of sepulcher tier

[plush tendon]

Oh and lust

Warriors should have lust; ffs its called Bloodlust!

thats like, warrior theme in a nutshell

[drifting fable]

idk if theres a reason but i assume theyre not ever gonna give lust to a tank class

[solar agate]

That's why I panic so much in dungeons 😥

[odd tree]

is that the reason tho

tank class

[drifting fable]

maybe. its the only outlier

mage has it

[lusty tiger]

DR. prescribes 2 more hours on dummies and 100 more hrs of m+

[median tulip]

The only cure is to just do keys

[odd tree]

yup, lots of keys

[median tulip]

Kick in a few low keys. 10s are dead easy.

[plush tendon]

I dont think thats the reason, just sort of a how the cards played out type of situation

[odd tree]

shit, as dps and tank

simply to learn what other tanks are doing

[plush tendon]

still, bloodlust for warriors

[solar agate]

Naturally from using all Shield Slam procs + using Shield Block charges manually (+shield charge) or only from SSlam procs?

[plush tendon]

[median tulip]

From the lot

You don't get that many Shield Slam resets

[solar agate]

I see. Just wanted to clarify - I'm at the tank dummy right now and I have to press shield block manually sometimes while following the priority. Wanted to make sure It's natural and not a mistake

[median tulip]

I think I average a Strategist proc every 4s or so

[drifting fable]

manual sb is used

[lusty tiger]

i bind mine tbh

[median tulip]

Oh yeah; keep the Shield Block charges rolling, always

[odd tree]

make sure you have a visible wa for SB

[drifting fable]

it dumps rage too

v important

[subtle sparrow]

Starting to get there in damage in m+

[uneven mason]

SB will always require manual button

[lusty tiger]

but the idea is to keep up sb always

[odd tree]

some folks have sound bites

[median tulip]

I have a Shield Slam built into my Shield Block macro as well, just like the Ignore Pain one

[uneven mason]

If has charge of SB u press sb

[lusty tiger]

this is why i just bind it and play ip at 85+ rage

[drifting fable]

yeah theres no reason to keep it at 2 charges ever

[uneven mason]

We prot, we press our buttons

[drifting fable]

theres arguments for keeping 1 in reserve for certain mechanics, but generally just get it rolling

[median tulip]

One of the tricks with Shield Block in keys as well, is that you ideally want to have as much Shield Block duration as possible when you hit the Execute phase of the fight. BEcause at that point Execute replaces Revenge in the rotation

[subtle sparrow]

Sure there are, boss phases where the boss isn't attacking you

[lusty tiger]

i thought not w 4pc

[solar agate]

as soon as one charge gets off cooldown I press it, right? Do I use both charges right at the pull since they are both off global? (to think less about droping them in the first 10-15 seconds)

[median tulip]

So you really want to dump all Rage to Execute

[uneven mason]

If the pull lives for more than 12s

[drifting fable]

you can still use SB even there, its off GCD and it increases SS damage

[dusky canopy]

Make sure your off tank has to soak autos during execute so you can puuumpp

[drifting fable]

obv not as much but ye

[charred ivy]

rumbling ruby worth it on m+?

[solar agate]

got it

[forest tulip]

I really feel like sparks/bottled essence should be more common

[bold olive]

I've liked it a lot, anecdotally, but my trinket choices have been super limited. No whetstone 40 runs in.

[median tulip]

Well yeah, keeping VD up as well to be fair

[solar agate]

does it change on multi-target? At 2, 3 targets or more?

[lusty tiger]

execute is mid

[dusky canopy]

Only seen 1 more since release… I need 3 to optimize gear better

[median tulip]

I think Revenj is ahead on 5 targets. Might be 4, I forget

[subtle sparrow]

Got 1 bottle a week after it changd to drop. Then nothing

[lusty tiger]

i only press execute for the proc in raid or when im out of tc, have 4pc buff and ss in on CD

[charred ivy]

i have whetstone and blazebinder hoof atm

[subtle sparrow]

Almost

[lusty tiger]

bis m+

[dusky canopy]

I would run 1 or the other personally don’t give up all the main stat from like ruby or all totem for example

[bold olive]

[charred ivy]

simyoself ye but its m+ so 🙂

[urban basin]

Yo Guys, I keep dying on third Boss in Jade. I use LS and pot on one Absorb Shield, Rally and SW on second, I get Lay on Hands on Third and usually I live through the fourth somehow. Do u have any tips? Or do I do something wrong?

[median tulip]

I have a choice between Whetstone, DoF, WII, RR and ATotM

[strong forum]

1st SW + demo + SR + IV
2nd spell block
3rd spell block + sr + IV
4th LS + demo + pot
5th SW + rest

[warm plinth]

The priorities in the guides are for maximizing damage generally. There are other parts of that page that cover shield block and ignore pain and the damage priority assumes you know when to use them.

[strong forum]

for 3rd boss TJS

[median tulip]

Impending Victory on every one

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum when do we execute?

WITH 4pc

[dusky canopy]

During execute phase

[strong forum]

when you <=2 targets

if you are struggling for rage and dying, you remove execute entirely

but for max dmg, you ignore tierset during execute

[urban basin]

Do I have this ready for every single one of them?

[lusty tiger]

tyty

[strong forum]

i just gave you the CD rotation

[median tulip]

25s CD; should do

[strong forum]

no, boss slaps her combo every 16-18sec

[solar agate]

how important that 4% damage reduction from 2pc is in execute phase on an average, not tank-busting boss? The buff is only 4 sec, it would require to use revenge every 3rd global more or less

[urban basin]

ok ty

[strong forum]

so you can only SR every 2nd one, IV every 2nd one, demo every 3rd

[warm plinth]

You can't Impending every one. She casts it every 16 seconds

[mighty valley]

mild dps improvement to just kinda ignore 4pc and just execute last i checked

[bold olive]

Also damage done, not just damage reduction.

[median tulip]

I stand corrected

[warm plinth]

Mobile discord reeee

[solar agate]

thanks

[median tulip]

That's getting into optimized play though; right now, focus on the basics.

[lusty tiger]

ye u can just remove execute from the bar (for m+) and call it a day

[warm plinth]

Why would you do that 👀

[lusty tiger]

because noob

[drifting fable]

you still wanna exe st lol

[warm plinth]

You'd still use execute on bosses. Taking away rotational abilities is not how you learn.

[solar agate]

using a button every 2 globals is muscle memory more than a conscientious decision. I really struggle with relearning muscle memory so I try to plan ahead

[lusty tiger]

oke

[median tulip]

Maintaining Shield Block, not wasting Rage, keeping Tierset bonus up... using Avatar, Demo Shout and Shield Wall appropriately

[uneven mason]

We use 1.5 buttons every gcd

[modest grove]

Is raidsbots suggesting me that thunderclap is the ability that will deal the majority of dps, with my current setup?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKe5qLQYSoKyys6ekoELJG

[warm plinth]

Keeping up tier set is not something you should have to make a conscious decision about. Focus on improving gameplay, the tier set will take care of itself

[uneven mason]

Probably

[strong forum]

you simmed dungeon slice

[modest grove]

yes on dungeons

im interested in m+

[strong forum]

it shouldnt

SS should be your top dmg outside of AA

[uneven mason]

What build

[warm plinth]

Dungeon slice is bad for our spec. Don't use it.

[uneven mason]

And target

[strong forum]

dungeon slice isnt an accurate representation of m+ to begin with

[uneven mason]

Like is dungeon slice prio outburst on TC?

[strong forum]

ye

[uneven mason]

Ew

[modest grove]

thanks for the info, appreciate

[median tulip]

No Sim is an accurate representation of Tanking anyway

[drifting fable]

i thought DS was good if youre a rogue

[modest grove]

what should i do then, trying to improve

[warm plinth]

It is

[median tulip]

Sim 1, 3 & 5 Patchwerks for 1, 3 & 5 minutes

[warm plinth]

But you should never assume it's good for a spec without asking

[drifting fable]

for sure

ive always avoided it tbh

[warm plinth]

The only two specs I'm aware of that use it are outlaw and hunter

Hunters*

I'm sure there are more. Just don't know them all

[modest grove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/dururana?zone=32

im trying to score purple, but without success. I know im doing something wrong:

1. not combatlogging;

[warm plinth]

I main outlaw and I still do other sims on top of dslice because as Nome said, it's not really a great representation of a dungeon

[median tulip]

The only real way to learn is to tank keys

[modest grove]

im doing just that

[strong forum]

well

[drifting fable]

dungeon parses arent fully reliant on your gameplay iirc

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/dururana?zone=32#metric=dps

[warm plinth]

Key parses are irrelevant

[strong forum]

these are your dps parses

what you looked at was just point parse

[cinder storm]

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

point parse means it just compares key level

[lusty tiger]

me likey de orange

[modest grove]

eh old keys tho, im doing 15-17 now

[warm plinth]

They are reliant on gameplay but there are a lot of variables from key to key that can have significant impact on your damage besides your rotational expertise. Pull size, how fast packs die, how long bosses live, etc.

[strong forum]

yeah

i saw

but still, quite low

[modest grove]

but thanks, now i know what should i watch for

[modest grove]

true kek

[lusty tiger]

pre lvl 70 dps

which is fine everybody has to start somewhere

[strong forum]

ye

[modest grove]

switching to battle stance when im comfy is probably a good thing to do, that im not doing

[strong forum]

ye thats one of the more min-maxy things

[uneven mason]

Always bstance

[median tulip]

I almost never switch out of battle stance TBH

[drifting fable]

switch it around and switch to d stance when youre not comfy instead

[modest grove]

roger

[median tulip]

DStance for Tankbusters. Otherwise only BStance.

[lusty tiger]

bis

[modest grove]

like the 3skeletons with the necromancer in SBG, that is the hardest pull for me

[lusty tiger]

cc and kite

[modest grove]

🫡

[median tulip]

I usually just Wall that pull

[lusty tiger]

depends

[modest grove]

on a corner? does it work?

how

so much to learn...

[drifting fable]

no shield wall haha

[lusty tiger]

if u:

1. have CDs
2. have a healer w a pulse
3. low or tyrannical key

[median tulip]

Yeah, Shield Wall xD

[lusty tiger]

otherwise cc > kite

[lavish oracle]

If you stand at max melee range and move as they cast void slash, you can dodge it

It's a little trickier to do than some similar mechanics, though

[modest grove]

why is dps not logged? but points are logged

[drifting fable]

dps is logged

[lusty tiger]

1000% easier w a slow

[drifting fable]

its a drop down

[lusty tiger]

More than tc slow lol

I have to roll/ tswift on my monk lol

[round pendant]

Sadge.

[modest grove]

yeah it is, but those are old logs, low keys. Points are logged (mid keys)

[round pendant]

just start logging it's ezpz

[drifting fable]

not sure of the update specifics sorry

[modest grove]

yeah ezpz

will do

[gaunt zealot]

anyone know what is the best route to train the whelpling in the trink is?

[lusty tiger]

Single target… and get whetstone

[gaunt zealot]

thank you

[strong forum]

cuz points just scraps it from the leaderboard

for dmg logs to show up, you need to actually upload the logs

[modest grove]

thanks

[graceful osprey]

Nobrainer even given the extra surv from haste?

[lusty tiger]

From what I’ve seen yes

[strong forum]

the haste does fuckall for your surv

[dusky canopy]

Oh wow I always thought my damage was beans because you guys are talking about doing 70k and shit

I guess those aren’t 99s so it’s still beans right

Lmao

[strong forum]

the diff between 99 and 100 is larger than 90-99

so ye

70k is literally r1 territory

[dusky canopy]

And that CoS is really really beans

[solar agate]

@median tulip thank you so much for the help. And everyone else too. Tried it (so far on the dummies), it now finally feels right; I didn't even know what I was missing

[dusky canopy]

Man I gotta work on that

[final gust]

is that just from being stacked and pulling half the dungeon in one go

[strong forum]

no

[dusky canopy]

Honestly khaz for our class simply pressing your buttons as much as possible gives you good results

[strong forum]

just from playing well

i do absolutely no special routes

[final gust]

I usually pull, what, 40k?

[strong forum]

sounds like you got alot to work on

[lusty tiger]

70k active?

[strong forum]

ye

[lusty tiger]

Oh cool

[final gust]

oh, yeah

40k overall, I can do higher active

assuming I'm understanding the lingo correctly

[strong forum]

thats from RLP20 last week

for example

[final gust]

Overall?

[lusty tiger]

Active

[strong forum]

doing 96million dmg

[lusty tiger]

Windows brother

[strong forum]

yes, thats overall

[final gust]

Oh I missed that kek

[lusty tiger]

On details?

[final gust]

Guess I gotta post some logs to see what I'm doing wrong

[rough egret]

[lusty tiger]

[strong forum]

is an OEM copy, cba buying a key to change absolutely nothing

nobody sees this except on screenshots

[lusty tiger]

I believe u cannot update to the latest windows version without it being active

[strong forum]

i still get updates

[lusty tiger]

Which includes security but I may be remembering incorrectly

[strong forum]

good enough

[lusty tiger]

Bill gates needs more of your money to cure Covid in Africa

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

[modest grove]

[uneven mason]

Ironically windows update has been the largest source for crashes and errors since winXP was eol

[cyan lichen]

hello!
at 25% haste no buff; should I go for Vers>haste gems? and vers enchants?

[uneven mason]

Vers is a meme

[lusty tiger]

Str > haste

[modest grove]

do you have logs? so i can compare and learn

[uneven mason]

Haste crit be chad

[lusty tiger]

Vers = crinj

Unless it gives more strength

[uneven mason]

Crit = you shut your whoreversemouth jereeee

[lusty tiger]

^

Send me some tattoo pics sexy

[dusky canopy]

To tell you the truth there are better players in here to compare too than myself

[lusty tiger]

U need some more logs first

I wouldn’t compare either since we’re all striving for max anyway

[dusky canopy]

@modest grove best way to learn what you specifically could improve on would be to post a few logs of yourself here and let us pick them apart no shame in that

[lusty tiger]

Post some fresh logs and we can tell u what the best results should’ve looked like

[modest grove]

yeah, will do this week, i have a SBG +17

[lusty tiger]

Easier keys are fine too so you can focus on your rotation more

Like progging av at your highest key level is not gonna show too much what you’re capable of

[round pendant]

Does 405->415 ilvl make a big difference for dps?

🤔

[lusty tiger]

Insane difference pretty much

[round pendant]

I'm parsing like 70-80 for damage in dungeons, and around 90 in raids

then I see nome hitting 99 parses on everything and I feel bad

405 ilvl

[lusty tiger]

Dungeon damage parse still prioritizes key level much more

[lusty tiger]

What about key%?

[round pendant]

yeah I haven't done any particularly high keys yet

for key% I hit like 92-97

[lusty tiger]

What about cpm?

Active

[round pendant]

How do I see that?

[lusty tiger]

Cats

Jesus

Casts

Select self

[left beacon]

do we go sophic devotion for weapon enchant?

[lusty tiger]

Hover over the number u see

[round pendant]

65.5

cpm while active

[lusty tiger]

Lower side

But not too bad

[round pendant]

[lusty tiger]

Lower

As in like

90 parser

[dusty bear]

Guys you position the last boss in AV to not be overwhelmed by orbs

how*

[lusty tiger]

Tbh tank him where he stands

[round pendant]

I mean I'm alright for parsing 95s for key% I guess when I'm still kinda low ilvl

I assume the higher parsers have padded low keys

[lusty tiger]

You are on the very right track

[round pendant]

but damn I wouldn't mind some 99 parses lmao

[inland mesa]

People care about parses in keys?

[lusty tiger]

Is your revenge cpm beating your ip cpm?

[rose cobalt]

What else is there to care about

[dusky canopy]

Run behind him and taunt boss up the wall then turn boss so that one side is facing the center of the arena
This will cause the orbs to all spawn on one side witch is easier for dps

[round pendant]

I don't even need to look at my logs to say no to that tbh

I press IP too much

[lusty tiger]

I have the same issue

[round pendant]

Actually in my last dungeon it was Shield Slam -> Revenge -> Thunder Clap -> Ignore Pain

only a +16 TJS tho

[lusty tiger]

Yea

Get spooked, spam ip

I do the exact same

[round pendant]

Lately I'm trying to only press IP when Shield Slam is up and I'm high on rage

[inland mesa]

What haste threshold are people swapping to itf for raid? Tried it some on mythic raz last night and felt decent, but felt like I needed another 2% or so to feel really good

[lusty tiger]

Once I got 4pc I naturally began to revenge more

[lusty tiger]

It is a funky dance

[lusty tiger]

Just take it in raid

[dusky canopy]

I feel like I can never squeeze in revenge without capping but mostly just a keybind issue because same finger presses rev and ip

[lusty tiger]

Fix