arms cuz you remove more bad loot from the table
#protection
strong forum
strong forum
you remove the 1h, shield and trinket from loot table
and only gain 1x 2h weapon
so higher chance on ring/tier/icon
flat jackal
Do you guys prog on d stance a lot?
lone eagle
Basically the question you want to ask is "How coordinated is your group" and "How much personal responsibility do you want vs group responsibility"
kindred furnace
No
strong forum
nah, d-stance isnt needed on prog anymore
slim dove
Do you guys prog on d stance a lot?
no
fathom goblet
@lone eagle which skip route you use on pugs ?
hidden ether
you remove the 1h, shield and trinket from loot table
ahh so my chances of gettingthe weapon are small? I only have 2 opens this week 1 424 1 418 so not a lot of luck to go around
kindred furnace
D stance should be treated as a cooldown if needed then turned off
frank dust
nah, d-stance isnt needed on prog anymore
waht if ur low ilvl
sick sentinel
my vaults been on crack
strong forum
ahh so my chances of gettingthe weapon are small? I only have 2 opens this week ...
wait huh, i thought you mean mythic raid
flat jackal
Ok, one more question. a few bosses ago on the mythic spider boss, the rdruid told me he did 1 mill healing to me while other healers collectively did 200k. Is that normal? Sorry, i haven't raided enough to know
strong forum
for m+ you stay prot loot to get 421 weapon/shield
sick sentinel
i havent got anything other than bis since launch
strong forum
waht if ur low ilvl
only if youre bad/rest of your raid also low ilvl
flat jackal
but the healears did 1 mil leach to the blood dk
lone eagle
<@155029449694248960> which skip route you use on pugs ?
I'll DM them to you with the import codes since I don't want to clutter the disc
hidden ether
wait huh, i thought you mean mythic raid
yeah guild only raids heroic
strong forum
but the healears did 1 mil leach to the blood dk
bdk is special
frank dust
well im ad but
kindred furnace
I mean did you live, was your damage taken predictable
flat jackal
when i didn't get healing from going up the stairs
demanding i play in d stance and use double shield wall
hidden ether
RIP crit vers boots but IL still king right?
flat jackal
like are warriors just that tanky?
kindred furnace
Couldn’t tell, it’s normally a pain point for healers but would need a log to see if you messed up
flat jackal
that they don't need healing at all?? what am i missing here
kindred furnace
The web blast is physical, so we block a lot of sennarth damage
mighty valley
double shield wall is less overall shield walls over a normal length fight so that one's just weird
strong forum
double shieldwall is trash
dont play it
not a single situation in the game exists where it beats wall
broken kite
Tjs
uneven mason
It has very rare uses in tyrannical week but if you need that many SW just run io
strong forum
nop
hidden ether
Would you guys grab a 421 CRIT/VERS boots to replace a 418 VERS/Mast boots. Or just take the socket tokens?
strong forum
dont need it in tjs
flat jackal
@strong forum Got it, but going back. If the warrior is healed less than the blood DK by a mile and the warrior dies, that's a healing issue right?
mighty valley
don't know how people here put up with guildies giving unsolicited advice based on shit they probably pulled off subcreation
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Got it, but going back. If the warrior is healed less than...
bdk spikes more, so they snipe more healing on it
healing taken is a poor graph
uneven mason
Would you guys grab a 421 CRIT/VERS boots to replace a 418 VERS/Mast boots. Or j...
Looks like a 3 ilvl gain
flat jackal
we'd need logs to investigate
I see. Let me look for it as it's a log from a while back
strong forum
Would you guys grab a 421 CRIT/VERS boots to replace a 418 VERS/Mast boots. Or j...
crit vers owns
big damage
flat jackal
but I'm losing my mind having to play d stance constantly
strong forum
shouldnt need to at all
uneven mason
but I'm losing my mind having to play d stance constantly
What's killing you?
kindred furnace
We also have 0 idea how geared you are, it might be the right play if you’re like 370 ilvl lmao
strong forum
you should have hots/beacon on you
flat jackal
What's killing you?
just bleeding out
strong forum
and should be fine
kindred furnace
370 tanking mythic*
flat jackal
I get confused whre the healing was
and healing officer gets mad i took damage
like ????? tank buster???
or says shit like "WE CANT HEAL YOU RIGHT NOW"
strong forum
well sennarth doesnt have a tank buster
kindred furnace
There is no tank buster on sennarth, just tank damage
strong forum
so we need logs
to see
whats happening
if you outrange your healers, also not that smart of a thing to do in dangerous situations
uneven mason
You need logs, like we can't just be like golly sounds like a healer isduet
flat jackal
There is no tank buster on sennarth, just tank damage
sorry, my trigger went to other bosses too LOL
ok ok let me log dive
uneven mason
Because we can't see what you're doing
sand mason
Proc'd the 421 ring with avoidance. Im huge now
flat jackal
so we need logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H1C8GXPWxMqtvaVz#fight=23&type=damage-done&source=9 i cant find the prog logs so ill use early terros logs
pallid quiver
don't know how people here put up with guildies giving unsolicited advice based ...
Subcreation's nice to use to try and observe trends and community opinion.
It is not a place to go to find the best way to play, because most people, by definition, are not playing the best.
So can agree it hurts to see people listen to advice like this.
I'm gonna continue having no context for any conversations this was about
flat jackal
so we need logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/djFxbhgnfy81Xr9t#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=17 sennarth early kill log
strong forum
youre requiring less healing than half of your raid
slim dove
don't know how people here put up with guildies giving unsolicited advice based ...
nobody knows shit and just assume omg prot war took more healing then bdk clearly prot war is trolling
flat jackal
healers are complaining i need mroe .... 😐
slim dove
meanwhile bdk heals to full every time he presses death strike
strong forum
you only twice dropped to 50%
lone eagle
Ok, one more question. a few bosses ago on the mythic spider boss, the rdruid to...
The healers really shouldn't be bothering too much with the BDK
kindred furnace
Yeah what
kindred furnace
This log seems like a flex
lone eagle
If the issue is you're dying randomly
slim dove
you coulda walled more i guess
lone eagle
Its a taunt swap issue
lone eagle
Pace your taunt swaps around stair movement
Ideally you swap right before having to run up
If you take a 5-6 stack going up stairs, it can hit you in the back (especially mid gate) and kill you
strong forum
debuff management seems fine
blocked hits seems fine
idk what theyre complaining about
flat jackal
what are they complaining about?
Idk, our healing officer yells at me when i die in stairs, but i just rot out
he's saying i need way more attention tan others do
lone eagle
You should spend very little time in stairs
strong forum
well on a kill log you dont die on stairs
flat jackal
and i need to be way more defensive
strong forum
so uh yeah
flat jackal
i just don't understand what i'm doing wrong
kindred furnace
The stairs are literally like 2 seconds for us
flat jackal
terros too
lone eagle
Are you guys swapping on stairs
kindred furnace
It should be gate leap
flat jackal
i had to stay in d stance a long time for terros
strong forum
quiet monolith
can someone explain to me the meta switch now on mythics?
strong forum
you dont need any healing on terros?
kindred furnace
Why
quiet monolith
im 2550 rating
kindred furnace
You didn’t even drop low
quiet monolith
everyone is running 2 keys
remote venture
#449510248579858432 message I have overall question about my logs for prot warrior. More info in the link
strong forum
can someone explain to me the meta switch now on mythics?
?
kindred furnace
Valor just uncapped
flat jackal
do they complain about 3/4 of your raid parsing below 60%?
nope. only tank issue LOL
kindred furnace
They give same valor at 1/10th the time
lone eagle
On Terros, if you're dying a lot of the times its a result of not knowing when the dangerous damage is
slim dove
nope. only tank issue LOL
7 people sub 60k
lone eagle
Like this is definitely a healer problem
strong forum
your healers legit dont heal you
quiet monolith
it just seems like people are running low keys with lowbies for the bonus valor
strong forum
and they complain?
quiet monolith
and not a lot of high keys running
lone eagle
but knowing the most dangerous moments helps
flat jackal
FUCKING RIGHT?!!
lavish flame
is there any difference between a primal molten longsword or a primal molten mace? all the stats seem the same but i made the mace at the time because i didnt have the longsword plan.
lone eagle
Terros the most dangerous moment isn't when you're tanking
ITs when you have 2 stacks and pillars explode or dust goes out
slim dove
is there any difference between a primal molten longsword or a primal molten mac...
no diff
uneven mason
your healers legit dont directly heal you
I was just about to say this
lone eagle
But yeah, like your healers are in a fantasy world
But if you want to mitigate deaths on Terros/Sennarth
flat jackal
I swear this isn't some fishing for compliments. I just needed an objective insight
strong forum
idk what theyre complaining about, they literally dont even look at you with their ass and then complain that you get healing
uneven mason
There are multiple deaths where your literally dying over 10 seconds and not a single direct heal lands
flat jackal
the officers take their side all the time
uneven mason
Find another guild
flat jackal
I just feel like I'm in crazy town and idk what's going on
pallid quiver
People don't know how to read logs
cinder storm
idk what theyre complaining about, they literally dont even look at you with the...
projection, "we cant be bad so it must be you"
kindred furnace
Yeah you aren’t going to be able to convince them
lone eagle
try and time taunt swaps such that one occurs right before stairs, and plan to have something for pillar breaks when you have 2 stacks and/or dust detonations
strong forum
literally nobody of your healers feels responsible for tank healing
kindred furnace
And they’re gonna scapegoat you
strong forum
they expect you to be a bdk
lone eagle
And otherwise your healers need to be better
uneven mason
I just feel like I'm in crazy town and idk what's going on
They're literally just letting you die for no reason
lone eagle
Part of it is that you don't have an hpal at a glance
flat jackal
they expect you to be a bdk
Man. They keep going "hey, our dk isn't dying, why are you?"
strong forum
you dont have a single healer who "focuses" on tank healing, therefor once you do need 1 heal, they complain
flat jackal
like ????????????????????
lone eagle
Sometimes beacon is just enough to keep you needing like no attention from the other healers
kindred furnace
Rdruid can pump tank heals
slim dove
bro
strong forum
which is an AOE
slim dove
jesus christ
broken kite
Lmao
slim dove
find a new guild
scenic tusk
This is an unironic healer diff
slim dove
healers living in fantasy land
broken kite
That's hilarious
strong forum
you dont even have fucking adaptive swam, efflo, lifebloom on you
slim dove
flat jackal
VINDICATION
broken kite
Feels intentional tbh
flat jackal
SUPER OMEGA VINDICATION
flat jackal
Thank you all. I've only been raiding recently so idk how to read logs
lone eagle
Yeah. I've been tanking for 15+ years and can smell a healer problem from a mile away. Definitely a healer problem, just keep in mind the things I said above
lone eagle
Healers are some of the most fragile, hardcarried players around
flat jackal
you barely get touched
i don't think i ever left d stance
slim dove
bro wtf
lone eagle
Like in high M+, you have to be good to heal
flat jackal
not for that kill
lone eagle
but in raid a lot of healers get carried
flat jackal
they got so mad i left d stance
lone eagle
because the requirements usually aren't that high
strong forum
yeah just trash healers it seems
flat jackal
germination talented
I think the reason I don't flame our rdruid, is because he does so much. He makes calls, he adjusts and tries to help me, and when he gets distracted it all goes to shit. so I can't flame him much
he's not even the officer
the officer is ladragon
lone eagle
I was struggling on M Kurog several weeks ago because we had A) 2 questionable trial healers and the hpal put beacon on the hunters
flat jackal
and he's so fucking defensive dude
lone eagle
and I was tanking first
slim dove
by chance are all these dudes friends or something
lone eagle
As soon as we picked up a good hpal, it was night and day
strong forum
slim dove
cuz this is some cringe shit
pallid quiver
Call him a god damn scaly and gquit on the spot, establish dominance
lone eagle
Literally felt immortal
strong forum
yeah hpal in raid
flat jackal
by chance are all these dudes friends or something
The officers are super close friends. went to each others weddings and shit
slim dove
The officers are super close friends. went to each others weddings and shit
get out
kindred furnace
Yoooo same thing happened with our hpal putting beacon on mage for kurog lmao
strong forum
beacon literally removes any danger from tanks
cinder storm
make a huge post about it in their discord about how bad they are and gquit
lone eagle
Hpal was also doing like 40k hps
New one comes out, knocks out 100k hps and a purple damage parse
insta difference
slim dove
there is nothing worse then a guild with an officer core of IRL friends
pallid quiver
I hate friend groups so bad
kindred furnace
The worst part is they’re like “I’ll beacon hunter or mage and directly heal the tank” and then just don’t on kurog for some reason
pallid quiver
It's so hard to get people to admit they're playing bad, even if they "know" they're "playing bad"
uneven mason
Jfc so your resto druid across all wipes last week in broodmother seemed to avoid healing you atall,
flat jackal
Jfc so your resto druid across all wipes last week in broodmother seemed to avoi...
the rdruid is healing the boss tank
the evoker is healing me on adds
slim dove
the evoker isn't healing you
uneven mason
Are they
slim dove
flat jackal
the evoker isn't healing you
LOL
pallid quiver
Listen, dream breath is BIG BOY HEALZ, he should be grateful he is allowed to even get a scrap of that godlike HPS
uneven mason
They put more effort into healing the DPS even while you're being ground into dirt
tropic tangle
there is nothing worse then a guild with an officer core of IRL friends
There is no deeper truth than this
kindred furnace
I’m confused how you’re even alive
lone eagle
you always, always want to just park it on the tank
Like you can spread it sure
but 100% uptime on tank when actively tanking real things
its the most efficient use of mana you have
tropic tangle
Those dudes will bend over backward defending each other, and 99% of the time they're just awful
flat jackal
Thank you all friends
tropic tangle
or at least 1-2 are just fucking terrible, dog tier
flat jackal
I do die randomly from falling off the ice, but in my defense, i hated the mario ice level... ._. LOL
lone eagle
Yeah, realistically you have probably 1-2 decent healers who aren't used to tank healing because of healing comp
flat jackal
and you have 2-3 who giga suck
name and shame
lone eagle
biggest issue is tornado fuckery during gates
pallid quiver
The ice feels so bad; I think the idea's neat, but that shit ain't how ice works
lone eagle
Frosty seems okay
Lad seems to care about damage but suck at healing
I can't speak mechanically
but as far as healer decision making goes
Frosty is okay
the rest are questionable
crystal mauve
The ice feels so bad; I think the idea's neat, but that shit ain't how ice works
Could have been a cool interactive thing with path of frost from Dk and make you immune temporarily (like fort he whole raid or smth)
kindred furnace
When you barely make it back onto the platform by jumping at the last second feels so good
flat jackal
Give my boy smallish a pass. man's a work horse and takes on so much on shot calling and on the spot decision making
lone eagle
Oh if he's raid leading then he's fine
lone eagle
Disc priest buddy of mine used to raid lead
strong forum
when BDK is the most broken tank in raid
lone eagle
His parses went up 40% as soon as he stopped lmao
flat jackal
Oh if he's raid leading then he's fine
that's the thing, he's not raid leading nor an officer, but takes on the role of healing officer
strong forum
youre a pwar, you slowly lose hp, but you cant self sustain like a BDK
lone eagle
Most things like healing CDs should be preplanned
flat jackal
youre a pwar, you slowly lose hp, but you cant self sustain like a BDK
Yeah, i think they got used to healing monk dk and dk dk the past 2 tiers
lone eagle
I'm a big fan of going in with all heals assigned but having a couple floating heals available for emergencies
like holding 1 rally in reserve
Monk you need external healing even more than pwar
atleast, in the past
pallid quiver
just press iv, bro, ez clap
- Guild healers, probably
tropic tangle
crazy thing is, you probably really don't require THAT much more attention
strong forum
he doesnt
lone eagle
Brew is basically immortal if it has HoTs parked on it
strong forum
but they just ignore him
tropic tangle
they just actually have to hit you with direct heals AT ALL
flat jackal
Monk you *need* external healing even more than pwar
yah, but my monk was decked out in crit
strong forum
just lay on hands every 8seconds
lone eagle
Now the amount of orbs I generate on my Brew is insane
strong forum
cuz it was a very balanced tierset
lone eagle
Was 350 doing 20s and basically healing myself solo
left beacon
fuck i hate that last boss of AV, do people take the CD reduction for leap there?
lone eagle
As long as I didn't get 1 shot, I could keep myself up softkiting and orb dancing
Reminded me of back in Legion abusing the 35% orb trait
strong forum
fuck i hate that last boss of AV, do people take the CD reduction for leap there...
i always run bounding stride
i cant live without it, i love it too much
lone eagle
The big thing with AV
A) drag it to a wall
B) use Thundering to reposition
just run straight across the center of the room
You can't be slowed during Thundering
take 7-8s of it to reposition
topaz mauve
Anyone have a good talent setup for completing +2s just for highest damage?
lone eagle
and C) save lust for 3rd set of crystals ~25%
left beacon
yea i get that but it also has to kinda line up with thundering
lone eagle
Leap is to cover you in between thunderings
lone eagle
Drop indomitable and put it into something damage related if we're talking about juicing damage in 2s
strong forum
Drop indomitable and put it into something damage related if we're talking about...
i guess you could put it into instigate or unnerving focus
or a 2nd point into BB
lone eagle
Probably 2nd point into BB because you're usually mass pulling in low keys/m0s
and you drop bleeds as you run by
strong forum
if you run by you wont get big overall!
lone eagle
tru
stark jewel
I feel like trying a full lasher room pull on algethar this week, any specific tips for that? other than dont stand in green swirlies
lone eagle
This is a good week for it
stark jewel
ye thats what I told myself when i saw the affixes
lone eagle
Last week was kind of questionable
stark jewel
I didnt try it last week
lone eagle
I broke it into 2 pulls for the room last week
strong forum
well yeah during explo its spice, but explo isnt the norm
lone eagle
and just chainpulled once most things were dead
dry skiff
Hey, guys, i have a ring 402 ilvl and a shield 408 ilvl
In my week vault i taked a ring 415 ( unstopabble) and a shield 415 (Bulwark)
Which i must choice?
strong forum
uuuh
lone eagle
So basically, best way to full room lasher pull IMO depends a bit on key level
strong forum
doesnt matter cuz valor is uncapped now and you can easily upgrade stuff to 415
lone eagle
in higher keys you have to worry about 6 bugs murdering people
empty inlet
Take the socket and farm valor
lone eagle
thats less of a concern on A) tyran and B) medium keys
lone eagle
Personally in low-mid 20s I pull the 3 bugs at the start, both sides left which pulls the pack on the right by proxy if you run back to the group because they run through the right flowers
kindred furnace
3 bugs into full room is my go to with pugs/no bug stop
dry skiff
Take the socket and farm valor
But i havent time to farm valor insanality
lone eagle
then I chain the last 3 bugs in once things start to clean up
empty inlet
People were pulling 6 skitter flies in 26+ on fort week
dry skiff
i just did 6 dungeons in last week, for ex
empty inlet
tropic tangle
you could run a lot more +2s in the same amount of time than trying to go 18-20
just about how you want to spend your time
kindred furnace
I mean technically, once they jump out of melee they legally become not your problem anymore
empty inlet
I would try to get 16 done if you can do them
strong forum
i spammed like 85 keys in 1 week on +2 to farm 1 fucking shield back in SL...
cuz it was the last slot i needed
empty inlet
Since you have to do at least 50 dungeons to get your primal focus if you don’t raid
strong forum
was so much fucking pain
tropic tangle
Since you have to do at least 50 dungeons to get your primal focus if you don’t ...
this is true
kindred furnace
I went to court jail to knock out 2 birds 1 stone
uneven mason
I was so excited to open my vault this morning....... at least my tier helm has a socket now
tropic tangle
but like, theoretically you could have most of it even with running 5-6 dungeons weekly
lone eagle
alright so
tropic tangle
assuming you jumped into 16 relatively early
kindred furnace
It’s beautiful
lone eagle
ignoring the back 3 skitterflies because if you get there in time they are generally patting good
Orange is the path you take
3 pink dots are first skitterflies
green dot in middle is tree
uneven mason
i spammed like 85 keys in 1 week on +2 to farm 1 fucking shield back in SL...
Literally went into mythic raids using a m0 shield, had to be handed one from my co tank because that shit never dropped
lone eagle
You run forward, put some dots on red pack, heroic throw green pack or put a dot on the close ones
and then you run back to the group/skitterflies
keep d-stance on while doing this since you aren't blowing anything good until they start to stack anyway
lone eagle
the right side green pack mobs, because you ran back, will then come through the blue pack
and proximity pull those as well
then you are stacking and burning around where the orange arrow ends
You want to be CD forward when doing the big pull
Once you have DoTs on everything, rage rolling w/e you're immortal
but the initial setup and first 10s of aggro gaining are the most dangerous time as a tank
spreading some bleeds initially while starting to round things up helps you generate rage via bloodsurge to not have to blow major defensives right off the bat
small fable
Anyone else getting 1H weapons with Fury lootspec?
lone eagle
but once they are mostly on you, it's time for shieldwall, avaravager troar
shell mortar
Anyone else getting 1H weapons with Fury lootspec?
Yeah, that's intended
lone eagle
and make sure dps stand behind your ravager
small fable
is Titan's grip no longer a thing?
lone eagle
if they rush in to the mobs before you have gathered them without tricks or MD active, they are actively commiting sudoku
shell mortar
It is, fury always could loot both one-handed and two-handed weapons
chilly brook
is Titan's grip no longer a thing?
They’ve been able to loot 1h weapons since BFA added SMF back
shell mortar
If you want less loot options (e.g. farming CoS) go arms loot spec
sick sentinel
hmmmm
sick sentinel
yea i dont like using it lol
sweet summit
miss shadowlands execute..
strong forum
gib back 4pc+banner+sl execute
ocean bloom
maybe we could run juggernaut then 🙂
strong forum
yeah if you want SL execute back, all you need is to have max jugg stacks
but GL getting there
ocean bloom
i could see a tier set that gives us IP when we execute 🙂
strong forum
maybe next tier we get a more fun tierset
sand mason
I have 415 Whetstone and a 415 Blazehoof. Kinda hate 2 on use because I always fail to use Blazehoof. But, I do like the haste.
With valor uncapped this week is there a recomendation for a trinket to farm to replace Blazehoof? Trying for Icon from raid but cant farm it 😦
kindred furnace
Idol maybe if you don’t want double on-use
near terrace
Yo I thought I remembered Spell Block working on Dark Claw from the Minion of Doubt in Temple but yesterday I walked up with spell block and got slapped for 309k from dark claw. Does it not work or what?
sand mason
Yo I thought I remembered Spell Block working on Dark Claw from the Minion of Do...
It for sure works. Something else mighta been going on...
You get hit in the back?
dapper shuttle
Yo I thought I remembered Spell Block working on Dark Claw from the Minion of Do...
Might have had you back turned or no SB up
dusky canopy
strong forum
A - absorbed
B - blocked
U - Unmitigated (how much it would do before any damage reduction)
M - Mitigated
its quite on the nose
sweet summit
skill issue then i guess 
strong forum
why, what happened
sweet summit
idk i vaguely remember someone complaining about spell block not working on hyrja and then i saw this
strong forum
ah, that was mwahi
forest bay
is brood ring good for survivability?
strong forum
yes
forest bay
sweet
sand mason
Does brood ring get proc'd more from the eranog ring?
since eranog ring does fire damage so potentially more up time? Or is there a CD thats already capped by the frost fire belt?
strong forum
Does brood ring get proc'd more from the eranog ring?
yes
sand mason
Wonderful
lilac jay
I have 415 Whetstone and a 415 Blazehoof. Kinda hate 2 on use because I always f...
I like idol of trampling hoofs (nokhud)
grim nymph
I'm using a 421 whelp 😑
Also, is there some kind of threat bug with warrior? I'm losing aggro on random mobs despite doing 60% of the DPS of the DPS.
kindred furnace
They’re still ramping just give them some time
tropic tangle
yikes
split ridge
is it worth picking up seal of diurna's chosen? I have frostfire belt
finite narwhal
Just read in brewmaster discord that tanks scales worse than dpsers with stats. Why is that then the tanks are doing insane dps in late expacs, catching up to dpsers in keys
kindred furnace
It might be better dps than the broodkeeper ring but you’d have to sim it
sick sentinel
if youre catching up to dps in keys youre either top 10 teams doing mdi pulls or youre playing with dps worse than you
kindred furnace
Both rings should get replaced by 415+ though
near terrace
You get hit in the back?
prolly, them shits make me run for my life after SB and SR are down lol
kindred furnace
I think he’s asking why tanks do insane dps late in expansions if tanks scales worse from stats
finite narwhal
if youre catching up to dps in keys youre either top 10 teams doing mdi pulls or...
I dont mean now, but in last patches of expacs
sick sentinel
huh
finite narwhal
Last patch of BFa, last patch of SL, there was always tanks doing insane dps in keys
kindred furnace
Which I haven’t heard anything about tanks scaling worse with stats lol
sick sentinel
i mean
foggy oak
what rings proc with the frostfire belt? and is this setup BiS?
kindred furnace
That was twilight dev and other stupid shit
sick sentinel
even with bdk last patch it wasnt stats it was the mace and the tier set
and even then it wasnt catching up with dps
survival and destro and ww etc
tropic tangle
aside from mace / tierset, tanks also tend to get tankier in later tiers
helps enable harder pulls, can result in big dps
finite narwhal
I mean I feel like later in expac, tanks are more catching with dps
kindred furnace
Probably mythic eranog mythic brood ring, or 421 AA ring
kindred furnace
Some combination of one of those 3 depending on your own gear
sick sentinel
theres no pattern
tank dps is really just how big you can pull
has nothing to do with scaling in terms of dps
rose crater
Is it possible to macro target what's attacking your target & taunt it?
kindred furnace
What
uneven mason
No
robust lark
Not target of target
finite narwhal
theres no pattern
so its true tanks are scalling worse than dps, only keeping little because of bigger pulls?
lone eagle
It's actually not uncommon for DPS to outscale tanks a bit as they optimize gear
uneven mason
You could do target of target
He means what's targeting his target
sick sentinel
so its true tanks are scalling worse than dps, only keeping little because of bi...
i have no idea how scaling works
robust lark
He's saying he wants to target the mob that's targeting his mouseover target
lone eagle
Because secondary optimization matters a bit more than primary for DPS and they have a tendency to have more complex interactions with things like breakpoints and multiplicative value from secondaries as a result
sick sentinel
you prob will need some weird addon for that
rose crater
I was just thinking for groups if something targets one of your party members you could macro taunt and mouseover their name
lone eagle
They've had to bump threat mods multiple times in the past in the last patch of an expac for that reason
foggy oak
Probably mythic eranog mythic brood ring, or 421 AA ring
so frostifire and double proc rings from raid is the bis?
robust lark
Just get a good plater profile and then taunt the mob that's not the good color, with a mouseover taunt
kindred furnace
@foggy oak im not sure where 415-421 AA ring would compete
But it’s definitely some combination of those 3
lone eagle
Which
kindred furnace
It procs off frost fire
lone eagle
The raid rings?
kindred furnace
Both of them
lone eagle
Yeah, you build the belt specifically because it can proc the rings
And then the Eranog damage ring can also proc the Diurna absorb ring
So there's a noticeable bump in absorb procs running both
kindred furnace
No the malandrus ring from cos
lone eagle
The auto attack ring is what he meant by AA
kindred furnace
Yeah sorry
lone eagle
gives bonus dam on auto attacks, which pwar does a lot of
Also has better stat allocation, but you can offset that element by just having better stat allocation on the rest of your gear
bold olive
The AA ring sims as BIS for me ATM (and I mean Algethar) w/ COS ring. I'm no longer skimping on crit, so it's also a very good ring for what's available on our other pieces. (Edit: outside of raid ring interactions w/ UFB)
lone eagle
Personally I'd say raid rings + frostfire are default BiS just because they are so close when I was doing sims but also provide defensive value
but you have to get lucky to get them
of which I am very lucky since I have raid rings on all 3 tanks I have leveled 😆
foggy oak
Considering im not doing mythic raid for the rings does it change anything?
kindred furnace
Yeah
foggy oak
even with uncapped valor?
lone eagle
at 415 or 421
kindred furnace
Auto attack ring and best stated 418 or 421 ring
Would have to sim if the stats make up for eranog ring damage
foggy oak
thanks!
unborn raptor
Are you guys training your Whelp Shells for Single/Multi or 3/3?
spare loom
is tanking in raid harder than tanking in m+?
kindred furnace
Different games
Most of raid tanking is just planning and trying to make everything repeatable and consistent
spare loom
but is it harder
unborn raptor
And you're not up against a timer that you can control in raid
kindred furnace
Depending on what keys you’re doing m+ could be similar difficulty
unborn raptor
I feel like the tank has a lot more power in M+ setting the pace
spare loom
im doing 16-17's on my prot right now
unborn raptor
You'll probably fall asleep tanking Heroic raid, then - or I do anyways 😂
kindred furnace
It can be quite a lot for someone going from 0 trying to join pugs that expect you to know everything
pallid quiver
Raid tanking is generally considered mad sleep
tulip egret
Do I take a 421 cape from vault, or 415 Decoration of flame, I already have 415 windscar and 415 rumbling ruby.
pallid quiver
Tank mechanics are generally minimal, relatively trivial, and you can get your end of the fight down in like 5 pulls at worst
kindred furnace
There’s also tons of videos that explain everything well
pallid quiver
So generally, M+ is considered harder in terms of actual effort and what's required of you
Raid is harder because you gotta wait like 50 pulls for DPS to get their shit together
So whichever you find more painful is what's harder
kindred furnace
For you to find and fix a new problem then wait another 50 pulls for them to fix their new problem
unborn raptor
Do I take a 421 cape from vault, or 415 Decoration of flame, I already have 415 ...
I'd take the cape - iLvl is nice, and your trinkets are already pretty damn good
cloud tide
is barbaric training talent good?
cloud tide
in raid or m+
sick sentinel
no
cloud tide
ok ty
sick sentinel
bad in almost all situation
sick sentinel
i forget exactly how, but it changes your roation, and the way you play
warm plinth
lone eagle
is tanking in raid harder than tanking in m+?
Raid tanking is super stressful the first week of a tier or on early prog on certain bosses
Gear dramatically trivializes survivability checks for tanks, and so the later you get to a boss the more you're basically snoozing
But like first week of Nathria H Sludgefist with 30 people on my Brew I was sweating (his autos scale with raid size on N/H)
M+ tanking has a much higher skill cap
kindred furnace
Those heroic week 1’s are worse than mythic week 1
warm plinth
to the point where is worse to have it
It is not worse to have it than not have it if you're using it in the correct scenario. But outside of that correct scenario (which is basically parse whoring in trivial content where you never need to press IP), it's going to hinder your ability to play the spec smoothly and hurt your overall damage/survival. It makes Revenge a very inefficient spender, and since we want to press Revenge more to get more resets of Shield Slam, making it cost more (especially since it becomes less efficient) is a bad idea.
lone eagle
Yeah. First week heroic is one of the most stressful parts of the tier
Because tank positioning requirements are doubled
You both need to know where to stand and where to put the boss
spare loom
ohhh I see how it works now
lone eagle
DPS just have to worry about where to stand
kindred furnace
Well and you’re just at the biggest disadvantage in terms of gear and it’s scaled higher than early mythic bosses it feels like
lone eagle
So you need to absorb a lot of knowledge very quickly and iterate on it very fast
Like doing H Broodkeeper first week
Tank is in control of the route, there weren't really good H Broodkeeper resources that first week
So I had to somewhat make my own route while surviving as the boss tank on my bear
A lot of tank difficulties are the holistic parts of tanking and the not-directly-related-to-tanking-but-things-that-come-with-the-job that can be difficult to optimize, rather than hard numerical checks
lone eagle
Shoulders or Legs
stable valve
418 to 424 shoulders or 415 legs w/ leech to 421 w/ leech
lone eagle
probably legs
Take legs imo, you have a chance at shoulders in raid if you're killing M Diurna
stable valve
Shoulders or Legs
no shot anything else lol
stable valve
Take legs imo, you have a chance at shoulders in raid if you're killing M Diurna
we are not
3/8M almost 4/8M
lone eagle
Hmmm
stable valve
but should starting getting 2 mythic raid options next week
lone eagle
Yeah I'd still go legs
421 legs the highest you can get
Raid only drops 415
so with leech thats your bis bis bis
stable valve
that's what I'm leaning towards since they have leech on them too
otherwise I'd 100% go shoulders
worst case I convert some 421 shoulders to tier or something I think
lone eagle
Yeah that's probably the best way to optimize ilvl
I think legs are a higher budget slot too?
Not sure
stable valve
I think legs are a higher budget slot too?
head, chest, and legs iirc
tacit solstice
Too bad its on my 400 ilvl warrior that already has a 418. Guess i cant complain
blazing condor
dont think twice
ebon lantern
its alright
sick sentinel
dont think twice
strike twice
mighty valley
we love a bob dylan reference in the warrior chat
tropic tangle
I also hate getting BIS items on any of my characters lol
mighty valley
weird one
warm plinth
The things people complain about/fail to get excited about in vault is insane to me.
main spoke
Tfw 306ilvl
tropic tangle
I was just happy to get a solid 421 upgrade
replaced 402 bracers with the haste/vers from SBG
arctic shore
is "Strike Twice" at 421 better than a haste vers 421 wep? everything im seeing puts the haste/vers wep over it.
arctic shore
sims on a tank are worthless. its not always about the dmg output.
lusty tiger
Well strike twice is tho
It’s like 1% damage without hurting the items stat budget iirc
tropic tangle
losing haste on 1 slot isn't going to tank your survivability or rotation
and a lot of tanking is maximizing damage output lol, it contributes heavily to a key
pallid quiver
sims on a tank are worthless. its not always about the dmg output.
Interesting place to make this statement, considering how often we tell people to sim themselves
But on average, Strike Twice is bis for 421 weps due to the proc out-damaging other weps by a slight margin while still giving stats
it is a sim question, tho
chilly brook
sims on a tank are worthless. its not always about the dmg output.
Wut
distant crystal
as a tank you live by pressing buttons right
and having some ilvl
you gear for dam baby
chilly brook
You’re not going to kill your survival by simming
lilac jay
Strike Twice 415 sims higher than 421 has/Vers weapon for me
chilly brook
In fact survival isn’t even a worry 99.9% of the time
So yes
It is about doing damage
If you’re not dying you should be doing damage
And you don’t die by doing damage
If you think you don’t need to do damage as a tank, you’re kidding yourself and I’d hate to be a dps in your keys
kindred furnace
that's more so just class cd opposition /fight specific most of the time
strong forum
Strike Twice 415 sims higher than 421 has/Vers weapon for me
That seems very wrong
What are you simming
chilly brook
worrying about ripping threat
Fr fr
blazing oriole
i just got a nice whelp shell with leech on it, is it any good after training and what kind of training would be most suited for m+ tanking?
grim nymph
I trained mine for AOE damage
It's...alright
Still use it cause I got nothing better
lilac jay
That seems very wrong
Yeah I know. Could not believe it myself. It was a gear compare so maybe I did something wrong. Will double check tomorrow
strong forum
its not about believe, i think its a wrong input
on my sim apparently 415 strike twice sims 145dps more than my 418 on ST
distant crystal
does strike twice bonus hits proc devestator :hmm:
strong forum
no
distant crystal
lame
strong forum
its just a dmg proc, not an extra attack proc
tropic tangle
would be sick if it was an extra attack proc, like sword spec back in the day
wooden widget
Thrash blade bis
lusty tiger
Wild strike and devastator would go even more brrrrrr
tropic tangle
playing rogue in TBC was so fun before trinkets had ICDs
sword spec, windfury totem, 100% uptime on DST
lusty tiger
It had icd
lusty tiger
Like before expertise came out?
tropic tangle
think so
sand mason
415 CoS Ring is a .3% upgrade to replace my 418 w/ Socket Diurna Ring. Now that Valor is uncapped I would considering upgrading my ring however I don't know if a third of a % of dps outweighs the defensive value of the ring, especially now that I have the eranog ring
tropic tangle
IIRC, expertise was originally weapon skill
so you got weapon skill, and it lowered your amount of glancing blows
strong forum
415 CoS Ring is a .3% upgrade to replace my 418 w/ Socket Diurna Ring. Now that ...
what defensive value?
huh
sand mason
cuz the dmg ring is also named "diurna"
How confusing lol my B
strong forum
the shield from it is nice
but nothing mandatory
the more targets you add, the better melandrus becomes because of perfect stats
sand mason
But nicer than .3% damage in single target (minus damage in aoe it seems...?)
sick sentinel
what do you have to do to trigger bonus valor
strong forum
idk how your broodkeeper ring sims more than melandrus
makes no sense
crit haste are our bis offensive stats
sand mason
It has a socket?
tropic tangle
what do you have to do to trigger bonus valor
someone in group needs to gain rating
strong forum
yeah socket is around 200-300dps iirc
sand mason
Cool. Im just going through drop itemizer and trying to min max my gear. Mela ring is the only non-trinket dps upgrade for single target but its so small.
strong forum
is gud
round pendant
I'm stuck with my 395 eggnog ring and it makes me sad
pallid yarrow
crit generally more valuable than vers in m+ ?
normal mica
Hi guys, which one of these its better for warrior prot? D:
slim dove
Hi guys, which one of these its better for warrior prot? D:
nobody can help you without knowing your current gear.
pallid yarrow
looking at regemming for lariat procs
sick sentinel
i need sooo many suplies
slim dove
probably tier gloves or nogg ring.
sick sentinel
get them recipes/mogs
normal mica
nobody can help you without knowing your current gear.
hehe
stuck sequoia
Whats the transmog?
cinder storm
All of them
stuck sequoia
Ooooh
sick sentinel
all remaining transmog collectable by warrior class
sick sentinel
i remember when it said 200k and 150k
so, its literal just a number
number go down to zero, i win
normal mica
take gloves.
ty
stuck sequoia
hehe
I would simm the filial and gloves, but, if it were me, i would prolly go with the gloves
cinder storm
so, its literal just a number
Same with io but we devote ourselves to it 
stuck sequoia
sick sentinel
wtf is this disease on my map
reload doesnt wokr
first thing i tried, i think its, cuz, im entirely with in a "do something" quest objective zone and that area covers the minimap
echo egret
Archeology digsite ?
sick sentinel
hey guys weekly vault has me in shambles yet again. Here are some snippets of current gear compared to vault options. What should i grab for my prot warrior. Thanks in advanced 🙂
raidbots simms the 402 puzzle box fyi but im stumped because i feel like horn is better option but idk
sick sentinel
one hander with mastery and crit
modern brook
You have a 23ilvl upgrade on a weapon slot and haven't picked it up yet.
mighty valley
23 ilvl weapon upgrade? snap that shit
modern brook
Math hard
warm plinth
Looks like probably the Melandrus Ring upgrade
plush tendon
yea, but mine has a socket
warm plinth
You can socket it eventually 🤷
plush tendon
im running sims right now, so options are like another socket, that 421 neck and get a new embellishment somewhere else, or that upgraded melandrus
modern brook
You take the 421 melandrus and socket it next week
sick sentinel
im excited for bonus valor speed runs. Thanks Guys! All your vaults are making me jealous. New to tanking this season and so far, i really like it
tender island
Any recommended routes you guys use for m+?
mighty valley
i barely think about routes in most dungeons this season tbh
modern brook
Yah hold w
mighty valley
avoid the packs that are truly terrible, get enough %
modern brook
And then coordinate with your team
tender island
easy enough then
last plume
Learning which packs are terrible is the hard part, I found I didn't even start learning which mobs suck until 16+ keys
turbid shuttle
there isn't as much interesting routing this season as there was with the SL dungeons. it's mostly press W, with occasional small deviations
chilly brook
You thought SL dungeons were interesting routing?
vocal bison
Best routing was mists. Every run was like a box of chocolates! 
chilly brook
They were mostly all press w
De other side was the only interesting one tbh
Bfa def had the most interesting dungeons from a routing perspective
digital wyvern
Have y’all noticed a big difference since the nerfs?
sick sentinel
to what nerfs
fast knot
only time I feel actually squishy is when my healer thinks I'm a Blood DK and can just magically go back to 100% whenever I please
Usually pairs with a Dilation/GS while my shit is already rolling too 😄
warm plinth
Not the lock tied with the DH :kekw
tropic tangle
lol you let him in a second run
sick sentinel
not my key
tropic tangle
ah
sick sentinel
tropic tangle
he eating cleaves in AV or what?
cinder storm
I though it was a temple run from the background on the first details
sick sentinel
orbs and grounds
tropic tangle
oof
sick sentinel
delicate kraken
sudden palm
Rlp 22; 3 min left on dragon boss; we kill dragon; everyone alive, he jumps off the dragon and despawns before landing 🤣🤣
What a way to end the week rofl
sudden palm
No one was even mad; we were like “okay then” and hearted out rofl
south zealot
They were mostly all press w
sure but you can still pick what you want to kill more or less
chilly brook
Yes and no
ToP was pretty straightforward
Same with SD
Same with mists
Same with NW
Same with spires
Spires the only real choice was left or right
south zealot
necrotic wake and plaguefall are pretty press w but you can still pull different stuff with weapons
top you could atleast order which way you go
agree with sd and spires 100% though
south zealot
sure but being able to pick the order you went is much more interesting than something like sbg
chilly brook
SBG is basically SD
south zealot
only reason i feel academy is even a decent dungeon
chilly brook
Tazavesh was probably the most interesting dungeon of SL
And it didn’t even launch with it
south zealot
tazavesh is pretty great IMO
chilly brook
DoS was basically the only dungeon where you saw wildly different routes and pulls
Outside of Tazavesh
pallid quiver
A good portion of me prefers Hold W dungeons, tbh, if we're gonna be on timers
Makes it so everyone's on the same page easier and makes fussing over routing simpler
cinder storm
They should add a third weekly affix, a combo of tyr and fort, everything gets half of the extra HP they'd get on regular weeks
warm plinth
Why would you wish that into existence
timber forge
any dwarf prot on? any tips for best use of stoneform (racial) which fights/dungeon are good
warm plinth
Basically any fight where bleeds are a concern
lone eagle
ehh ToP had a lot of variation
by design
Especially once you got into platform or champion skips
urban portal
Dwarf is op
timber forge
Basically any fight where bleeds are a concern
thanks bro
warm plinth
RLP 2nd boss and Crawth are probably the biggest offenders
timber forge
RLP 2nd boss and Crawth are probably the biggest offenders
do I need to wait for the bleed to get stronger or as soon as it gets bleed do i clean it? I don't know if it gets worse with time tbh
learning
earnest jackal
anyone knows if i´ts better to take the first raszagesh beam in mythic phase 3 as a warrior or as dk?
daring marlin
They should add a third weekly affix, a combo of tyr and fort, everything gets h...
Oh oh oh, better idea!
Get rid of both boring affixes!
🤯
sick sentinel
for crawth you use it on 2nd bleed, then itll come back up around wind phase
for RLP its not as much of a concern
you should have CD for every cast regardless
timber forge
when people ask me about balls on Crawth 2 stack or 3 stack, its about bleed?
or other ability
slim dove
screech.
up to your healer, not you really
they should know based on group comp when they need stacks cleared.
warm plinth
when people ask me about balls on Crawth 2 stack or 3 stack, its about bleed?
Every time he does the group AoE (Deafening screech), he applies a debuff to the entire group increasing the damage he deals with the screech. You trigger the goals based on how many screeches you can handle (basically not using a goal until you have to) to manage the damage
slim dove
stacked groups can live to 5th
warm plinth
The soft enrage on the fight is basically being able to kill him before the screeches become unmanageable
But between screeches it's basically just the healer babysitting you
timber forge
we do everytime at 3rd screech.. but my healer friends always ask me about that and we never tried in 4~5
actually playing with friends not pugging more... its very cool testing everything
warm plinth
What level of key are you doing
warm plinth
Eh you can get away with doing it that soon on that key level probably
But you should be able to survive 4 screeches without even using a defensive at that level
topaz mauve
Good to work on surviving 4 screeches as a norm
timber forge
its always safe tbh but I want to see with more screech just to know lol
that week seems cool for push keys
timber forge
started tank last week and hated bursting
warm plinth
It's about using the goals far enough apart that you can meet the damage check
timber forge
It's about using the goals far enough apart that you can meet the damage check
gotcha
topaz mauve
We do 20s with dps doing about 50-55k on that fight and 4/3/3 has always worked for us
timber forge
We do 20s with dps doing about 50-55k on that fight and 4/3/3 has always worked ...
4/3/3 number of screechs stack bro?
topaz mauve
Yep!
warm plinth
In terms of personal responsibility as a tank, probably RLP?
topaz mauve
Idk depends on your comp, I really don’t like the trash for raging tempest on fortified, so I vote nokhud.
fast knot
RLP is going to test your healer pretty severely
timber forge
yea.. 100% about responsibility as a tank
warm plinth
RLP has 2 bosses that require pretty solid CD management
1st and 2nd
Though you might not be doing high enough keys to notice 1st yet
timber forge
my key from vault is RLP 18 im a little afraid tbh lol I did very few times
warm plinth
timber forge
spell block its good on rlp?
fast knot
For first boss you're gonna go through hell without it especially on Tyr
topaz mauve
Yep!
warm plinth
Yeah it's good for 1st boss for sure
timber forge
actually using that
warm plinth
Keep in mind that Spell Block does not do anything against 2nd boss tankbuster
timber forge
Keep in mind that Spell Block does not do anything against 2nd boss tankbuster
very good to know
warm plinth
But if you're dwarf, you can remove one of htme
timber forge
changed to dwarf today.. now im learning how to be a good dwarf
topaz mauve
You don’t roll double wall for RLP?
fast knot
You can run into issues getting a charge back on 2nd boss if your dps are kind of boosted
noble stratus
Though you might not be doing high enough keys to notice 1st yet
i main bdk so i dont know abt prot warr
that first boss’s cd is p rough for u guys right?
er
2nd*
warm plinth
Yeah
timber forge
people use stealth potion without rogue here? at the first mob
warm plinth
I've always just pulled it 🤷
timber forge
yea me too
toxic pewter
people use stealth potion without rogue here? at the first mob
Generally skip with rogue but if no rogue just pull it all yeah
fast knot
I should just skip it since people at my level are obsessed with standing in the circle
timber forge
my group are obsessed too
fast knot
Pretty sure if you skip that and blast that first pack you can line up the 2nd rock boy patting backwards though
so you can easily skip but again that's been once in a blue moon
timber forge
reading raider io routes for this week
fast knot
Yeah my group isn't getting that high up on pull 2 without pulling the entire fuckin city
last pecan
How is everyone pulling the lashers and skitters in AA with bolstering?
strong forum
You don’t roll double wall for RLP?
Double wall is actually never the play
You get more shield walls by just using Impenetrable wall in any relevant scenario
Cuz you reduce the CD of SW down to 1 Minute
You can rotate SWs alot more frequently on dangerous pulls and bosses than double wall would allow you to get + you just get more rage ontop of that
timber forge
what double wall mean? sorry lol
strong forum
There's a talent that grants you 2 charges of shieldwall and reduces the CD by 30sec, Defenders aegis
But the only niche use case of it is, if you need SW literally back to back and not a 3rd time in the near future
Which doesn't exist
timber forge
oh, never used before and good to know why impenetrable wall its used
strong forum
It's not detrimental to run defenders aegis, but Impenetrable wall is just outright better
timber forge
@strong forum your live is very cool and helped me a lot, thank you
im actually with stats low versa, more haste/crit... its good to pick versa on AA or just pick more haste/crit ?
strong forum
Haste
The 2.5% DR you get from the buff is inconsequential and the haste buff is multiplicative
timber forge
Ty!
gonna do RLP 18 soon, first time rlp 15+ prob will broken but I want to learn 100% that dungeon tanking
strong forum
That dungeon gets really chill for the tank after 1st boss dies
2nd boss is just proper execution of baiting add and boulders and CD Management for the tank buster bleed
1st boss is just timing your CDs for the frost bolts you get slapped with
Also very chill to tank, boss never sends more than 3 frost bolts in your face, after that it's atleast 2 other spells
timber forge
that bleed from 2nd boss stack right? any amount to clean? changed to dwarf today xD
strong forum
If you get 4 and don't have SW or an external, dwarf it
If you only get 3 or 2,dont dwarf
timber forge
gotcha
timber forge
hmm the bait meteor its on me or random player? just to know if stack is a good option
timber forge
okay
strong forum
Always bait towards old fire
So if you have boss, take her slightly away from the fire, then turn the boss so the fire is in your back and the boss infront of you
timber forge
any advice on 1st boss? everytime I just try not die lol and keep away from ice aoe.. and pick aggro when adds born
timber forge
So if you have boss, take her slightly away from the fire, then turn the boss so...
gotcha
strong forum
1st boss is super scripted
Open with spell reflect, then shield wall
Then proceed as normal, once she finished casting her big aoe she'll start pummeling you with frost bolts again, SR 1 again and use spell block
lament dragon
fellow tank main sent me this
strong forum
By the time spell block runs out add phase should happen, you don't need CDs for that
lament dragon
strong forum
Kek
After add phase, SR first bolt again, then SW
And so on and so forth
Watch for the timers when she's gonna cast hailstorm
timber forge
right. very clean instructions.. waiting my friends to try
other newbie question.. the last pull on TJS before boss
any advice with a group with low damage? lol
strong forum
You can CC one of the buster mobs
warm plinth
Make them focus haunting sha first, rotate your CDs on pull, run away when the sha is (hopefully) dead would be my play. Can help to CC one of the minions as well
strong forum
Then blast the rest of the pack with Lust, watch out for their tank busters, you can't tank it without CDs. If you run out of CDs, run.
warm plinth
The sha is the only mob that's dangerous to others if you run away
(the small one that is)
strong forum
Make sure to kick fear
timber forge
oh.. its a good idea to lust on that pull? in my head its okay but my friends always ask for lust on last boss
im always kick fear and try to shockwave the rest.. but maybe its better for me kite after that
they beat a lot
timber forge
if I feel my group its bad at kicks, its okay lust on last pull before 1st boss too? I can do the two's tidal burst but the 3rd always pass on pug lol
im learning more about when its good to lust because my friends dont lust if I don't call that with confidence lol
warm plinth
It's better to lust the first pull; lusting that late is going to throw off your lust timings. You can also just pull that pack to the corner if you need to for people to LoS the elemental aoe and the tidal burst if it's really necessary.
timber forge
never tryed los that pull but its obvious better lol