protection

[cinder storm]

Warcraft logs has a nice guide about it, then use the addon loggerhead once you are done with the guide

[sick sentinel]

problem i've learned as tank over 5 years now is, even when you think you are not the fault, you are,

directly, or indirectly, lots of times could have done 1 little thing different, and no death into wipe into deplete

[frank dust]

ok hhow do i kill explosives

in melee

bbebcause i swear i use revenge on them and they dont die

[sick sentinel]

click them and get in mele range and do a basic attack

[frank dust]

and for some reaosn my auto attack is slow af

oh ok

[sick sentinel]

you can use charge on explodes

[thick wedge]

heroic throw as well

can take shattering toss or whatever its called for another button but heroic throw doesnt have a cd for prot

[frank dust]

i use that on ranged but when they spawn behind me sometimes i just dont attaack them

[amber siren]

thundering jaws won't fall off before you taunt swap so you'll be for a few seconds taking 100% extra phys damage, can pop a cd for that

[sick sentinel]

i let the ranged get the ranged explosives unless its anomoly like im way ahead and one spawns, or there is nothing else going on

[turbid shuttle]

aoe abilities don't hit explosives. you can't pop them with revenge

[frank dust]

ohh

wait revenge is aoe

[modest gulch]

Or /cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] Heroic Throw; Heroic Throw

[frank dust]

i shhould really read the class abilities and stuff

[modest gulch]

Can just mouseover thr hard to reach ones without changing targets

[turbid shuttle]

while you're at it you should probably rid yourself of the idea that " i need someone to tell me im not the issue"

[blissful crypt]

Might be a dumb question but does using Revenge to proc our 2/4 set take priority over a thunder clap ?

[modest gulch]

If you're rage capped

Revenge also boosts damage on next thunderclap, forgot the takent name

[wind hare]

Would macroing shield block to shield slam be a bad idea? I’m bad at uptime

[turbid shuttle]

do not do this. just learn to press your button.

[wind hare]

Fair enough.

[turbid shuttle]

remember renewing shield block doesn't waste any time. it just adds to the duration (up to something like 23s)

so if you have too much rage and you have a charge, just press that shit

[modest gulch]

One thing I learned that helped a lot is that the buff timers are additive. Casting shield block twice quickly will add 8s to the initial timer... doesn't overwrite it. So a little overlap is ok. Of course shield slam also gives you shield block, and the timer is also additive.

[modest gulch]

Lol beat me to it

[wind hare]

Yeah that’s why I thought it might not be bad to macro but I’ll just learn with practice. Where on warcraft logs do I see blocked hits?

[modest gulch]

The problem with it is during offtank situations or in situations where you don't need shield block up. You wouldn't want to burn the cooldown unless defensives are needed. Like in a taunt swap situation

You might want to be using shield slam and saving rage for execute, or building up ignore pain

[strong forum]

SB stacks to 3x duration

[wind hare]

Don’t you still want it up for shield slam dmg?

[strong forum]

So, with enduring Defenses talented, it goes up to 24 seconds

[sick sentinel]

which dungeons are you guys using phial/flask eye in storm for, on fort?

[strong forum]

You can safely stack away on SB

[modest gulch]

Yea true, guess it depends if you're anticipating damage and feeling rage starved.

[amber siren]

If you're running HR you can pretty much spam SB

[sick sentinel]

i was using eye on sbg perseonally i guess you would use it in nokhud as well

[amber siren]

Bad practice if you're planning to raid and run ITF, where you won't be getting 100% uptime

[strong forum]

In my runs I've just been sending shit on CD in raid

Still have 85%+ uptime

[amber siren]

Really?

[strong forum]

Good enough for the easy bosses im pugging

Couldn't get 99s tho

Need better kill times for that

[amber siren]

[wind hare]

How do you see shield block % in logs? I can’t find it

Like blocked hits

%

[modest gulch]

Look under Buffs

[wind hare]

Isn’t there a better way to see how many total melees I blocked?

Instead of just uptime on shield block

[amber siren]

Click the SB icon to filter between blocked and unblocked hits

Green means blocked, red means unblocked

[sick sentinel]

i did it

over 90%

[amber siren]

Yooo nice

[dawn venture]

Do I need to use strafe left right for tanking? Is there any tips for efficient movement? Thx!

[toxic pewter]

I replaced turning with strafing many years ago

[modest gulch]

As long as you don't keyboard turn it's kinda whatever you're comfortable with. Some people will use LMB+RMB to move forward, and just spin quickly to move left/right/back. Some people will strafe and turn 90 degrees to move away from something. I strafe + 90 degree turn and only rarely LMB+RMB

[sick sentinel]

been playing fps since wolf3d, so, its only natural for me

[toxic pewter]

Same

[dawn venture]

I just started switching from dps to tank and I’ve learnt alot of mechanics than I have with my dps

[sick sentinel]

i also turn that follow camera crap completely off

[strong forum]

Go to dmg taken, melee, hover over "hits" coloumn

[sick sentinel]

i like to be able to set the camera exact hieght distance i want it to be at so i can see X or Y

[strong forum]

It'll tell you how many melee %hits you blocked and didn't block

[cloud timber]

anyone know what the best profession that helps prot warrior, currently using alchemy

[strong forum]

They don't matter for combat prowess

[sick sentinel]

all are viable

chose the one that you like and suits your needs

[strong forum]

None offer benefits beyond alchemy offering the 2x flask duration

That's literally it

[sick sentinel]

ie, you can make lots of gold gathering herb and ore

or, maybe u want to make things, all about what u want to do

[cloud timber]

ok cool is the trinket even worth making? theres a vers and haste one

[sick sentinel]

theres more pressing matters than that trinket

when it comes to crafting

[wind hare]

Thanks this is exactly what I wanted. Just about 60% blocked 😅. Some room for improvement

[dawn venture]

alchemy is good you get 1 free flask

[sick sentinel]

but, again, crafting, race, it comes down to you have to decide what you wanna do

some of it makes tiny tiny difference but 99.99999% time, it doesn't matter if you took engi instead of gather, or you took taurent instead of orc

[wind hare]

Can get up to 2 free flasks depending on spec

x3 duration

[blissful crypt]

Probably another dumb question, but does Haste hit a point of diminishing returns ?

[wind hare]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

yes, but its very minor, and comes very late, 30% and 40% breaks, you stop running HR at 40% and go ITF

[sick sentinel]

you can do it, just have to put more rage points into SB

[odd tree]

Not the biggest fan of this, but a guildy of mine wasn't hitting shield block enough. Made a macro with SB and shield slam, now his block is over 90%.

[modest gulch]

I'm sitting at like 34% haste without lariat, I swapped the elemental gems to fire for the crit proc for dps/parry

[sick sentinel]

i took IP off Q and put it on H where IV was

now ih ave 91% SB

[odd tree]

Button layout is definitely important

[sick sentinel]

fuck shift key

[odd tree]

Regardless of class/spec I always place movement and defensives on the same keys

[tacit solstice]

^^^

[modest gulch]

Mouse Button 4 = Modifier (bis)

[odd tree]

That's interesting

I use alt alot

[sick sentinel]

modifiers n shit, hell nah, i hate that stuff, maybe if u have a 60% kb or a "gaming controller" whaever it is, you put your hand on it only has about 25 buttons total

[wind hare]

I’ll try not being bad first. Only been playing prot 3 days

[cinder storm]

Into the fray raid only talent

[sick sentinel]

into fray 2% haste per person near u 30 10 yards also enemies i think

up to 5 times 10 %

[dawn venture]

What’s HR and ITF?

[odd tree]

Yea, not my favorite macro, but whatever gets him to survive keys

[sick sentinel]

heavy reprisal, extends active SB by 1s+2 rage SS

[modest gulch]

I use it in M+ a lot

[sick sentinel]

itf the haste thing above

[amber siren]

heavy repercussions*

[cinder storm]

Reprisal ptsd

[odd tree]

I'm triggered

[sick sentinel]

imagine we have reprisal in this current trees omegalul

[blissful crypt]

Is it okay to post logs here ? or nah

[sick sentinel]

remove BSV for it or beside it

[cinder storm]

Yes

[blissful crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/KCNbMjtLWxn1cVAv/tC9yv8BwRZbHMKmT#fight=39,18&source=110,Kolev&type=summary I am using the warcraft logs compare to vs another warrior on our Mythic Terros kill (I am RL so I am not putting 100% brainpower into rotation, but I still want to be doing better). This war is doing a fair bit more dam than me (I died in execute phase so RiP). But His shield slams seem like they are hitting WAY harder than mine even, not sure where I am going so wrong here.

[odd tree]

My healer complained because he got so used to being intervened if he was close to me. "Sorry bro, haven't taken that talent all season"

[sick sentinel]

if we had reprisal in current talents, i could hit 99% sb for 99% of dungeon runs

[cinder storm]

Without looking at logs he's just using outburst on SS more than you

[odd tree]

And keeping SB up

It buffs SS by 30%

[modest gulch]

https://wago.io/7R32j1O83

I use this to track Violent Outburst a little better than the more common weak aura people use. I make these two bigger than other stuff.

[cinder storm]

If you put it on wowanalyzer, second tab iirc it will tell you were you spent your outburst

[odd tree]

Yup, just checked, your SB uptimes were 96/49.

[amber siren]

ah fuck

sec

[warm plinth]

You really shouldn't use wowanalyzer. It's not remotely updated for this expansion. I don't even think it was updated for last expansion really.

[odd tree]

Hate that website

[warm plinth]

It's really good when it's updated but they tried to paywall it a while back and it lost a lot of favor as a result, so it's almost never updated

[sick sentinel]

wow analyzer says my DOS 15 run was bad and i was a bad playsr because i didnt use a sharpening stone on my shield

[blissful crypt]

Thanks guys that really helps I was looking at casts per min etc. and being quite lost in the differences, is there anything else I should work on that seems obvious?

[toxic pewter]

Why am I seeing terms such as “reprisal” and “DOS” in 2023

[cinder storm]

I use wowanalyzer to check outburst proccs faster

Always forget how to in wlogs

[sick sentinel]

they are going to bring that damn dungeon back i know it

[warm plinth]

You can just use VO aura filter on logs 🤷

[odd tree]

"Increase boss uptime" on every boss that has adds or heavy movement mechanics

[sick sentinel]

de other side for TW in next expansion

i hate that placc so much

[cinder storm]

His spell prio, you did more revenge than he did using SS

[odd tree]

That's also shown in rage gen, he gained far more from SS

[inner rock]

I don't understand how a shadow priest and demo lock would do 60k in a +19 NO right now

[dawn venture]

arent those meta now?

[inner rock]

i wouldn't call demo meta

but shadow is

but if rend is my highest damage ability for trash before boss, they should be doing like 2x my dps

just aggravated joining pugs and it becoming incredibly obvious people have absolutely no business (or chance of completing) in the key

[modest gulch]

Same, people are buying carries I think. Then using the carry as an "in" to get into groups where they can't contribute.

[jade trench]

It's always going to be like that if you're running with pugs. No use complaining about it.

The higher you get the less you see it.

[balmy canyon]

Is spell reflect damage impacted by damage buffs like thundering, avatar or demo shout?

[tight palm]

if i kill heroic raz and mythic eranog, and those are the only bosses i killed this week, will my one vault option be heroic or mythic?

[coral umbra]

Tried to tank a key at 330 ilvl on my super fresh 70. Did a nokhud 4. That was a fun horrible experience

[hidden ether]

I saw spiked armor got taken off our suggested embelishment list, is there a reason for that? was it not preforming as well as expected/

[hidden ether]

heroic

[tropic tangle]

just better options, that only does damage when you're tanking

frostfire belt does damage even when you're swapped off in raid, and it procs the Eranog fire ring

[urban portal]

they are all mediocre

dont worry about it too much

[lavish oracle]

Proccing rings consistently is pretty nice if you've got them

Diurna ring is like the same healing as pain and gain for me in most keys

[sick sentinel]

:))))))))))))

[daring marlin]

CLOSE

[sick sentinel]

ill get it tmr lol

i cant pull myself doing more than 3 runs a night

too tired

[west cape]

No, Spell Reflection does not benefit from damage buffs like Thundering, Avatar, or Demoralizing Shout. Spell Reflection only reflects the damage back to the attacker based on the amount of damage that was dealt to the player who used the ability.

Is there any suggestion about how many haste a prot warrior should have? Like, I’ve seen something around 30% as the way to be.

[cunning sun]

I've seen 25-30 usually

[covert aurora]

ok having a debate. whats the difference parry vs dodge?

[cunning sun]

As in definition or how they work in game?

[covert aurora]

how they work in game. If you dodge an attack, you take no damage, right? If you parry, you take no damage. So, is doge = parry ? what is the difference?

[cunning sun]

Not all classes can parry I think?

[west cape]

That’s true

Druids as one example

[tacit solstice]

Tbh I tanked 20s at 345 ilvl depends on team tho

Had a good group to help me tho just have to learn when you spell reflect and sheild wall ect teaches you pretty fast

[cunning sun]

What are the average ilvls for keys in the higher teens?

[coral umbra]

It was a random pug group

I have some weird stats. 0 crit rating with only like 800 mastery. 3.5 k haste and 15% verse

[west cape]

In World of Warcraft, dodge and parry are both defensive stats that allow a player's character to avoid incoming attacks, but they work in slightly different ways:

Dodge: This is a chance to completely avoid an incoming physical attack. When a player's character dodges, they will automatically move out of the way of the attack, causing the attack to miss entirely.
Parry: This is a chance to deflect an incoming physical attack, causing it to miss entirely and allowing the player's character to immediately counterattack. When a player's character parries, they will block the incoming attack with their weapon or shield, redirecting it away from them and back at the attacker.

[cunning sun]

Wasn't the counterattack removed way back? Or the increased auto attack speed

[sweet summit]

parry haste is gone

[warm plinth]

It was removed from mobs in cata I believe but I think it still exists for players (where parrying reduces your swing timer)?

[pallid quiver]

As much as you end up getting from your gear's ilvl
Otherwise, however much you end up getting from sims.

All stats give offensive and defensive benefit, so simply having more ilvl to have more of those stats is more worthwhile. The only thing to note is that in order to use ITF without having issues with SB uptime, you need around like 40% haste unbuffed or something along those lines

[cinder storm]

I think I've hit my friends current skillcap/dps check, can't do more than 22-23 unless it's cos or smb

Or maybe we just have to wait for an easier week to push

[sand mason]

I failed everytime 22 I ran with week with the exclusion of 22 temple which was so smooth and clean. It’s disappointing because it’s supposedly the hardest key this week but I couldn’t get groups to time anything else

[eager thistle]

For the pinned Raid Build that says use Fueled by Violence, then Brutal Vitality with 4 pc. Does that mean use the same build, and just change that one talent?

[rough egret]

Yes

[eager thistle]

Thank you 🙂

[coral umbra]

Is there a difference in builds for high dps or high survivability? Also when to use what stance?

[shy laurel]

can someone PLEASE just link me a super super good and clear, all encompassing weakaura thats up to date please?

[cunning sun]

I like this one

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorDragonflight

[amber siren]

There's no survivability or DPS build, DPS and rage lead to better defence through AM. There's good builds to use in the pins. As for stances, you'll be in battle 99% of the time with defensive used as an additional layer of DR when you need it, tank busters like dark claw, RLP bleed, Crawth bleed, etc

[shy laurel]

I dont like this one because there's no separation. Like its difficult to get all the info you need at one quick look. Ive come across this one plenty of times and tried it out

[urban portal]

Dodge and parry is exactly the same in modern wow

It’s just flavor difference

[urban portal]

Yeah you can think of dodge and parry as one and the same

But most tanks can only do one

Vdh can do both

[cunning sun]

what are you finding hard to read about this one? can help to recommend others

[warm plinth]

All tanks can do both except druid I'm pretty sure. It's just a small chance (to dodge) for non-agi tanks.

[mighty valley]

if you're this picky you'll just have to learn to edit one or build your own, it's not that hard

[shy laurel]

ive built so many, i understand it really well. Im just tired of tweaking it, then updates break it and shit. Then another addon updates and ruins asomeithng else, all becomes a mess

[warm plinth]

Have you looked at Afenar's? His is very easy to separate and move around

[median tulip]

Some classes (not us) have things that proc on on e but not the other. Monk and DK being the main two AFAIK

[mighty valley]

that all happens to every set of weakauras, it's either that or find someone with your exact taste who's putting in the effort to update every patch

[coral umbra]

Awesome thank you

[cinder jackal]

Morning guys,

I'm about to start prog on brood mythic, and will be tanking the adds.
I've heard they slap, so I'm looking to build out as tanky as I can, until I see how things are.

This is my go-to Raid/ST build - https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDEBA
However, as i'm tanking the adds, i'm likely to run my M+ build for the additional CC;
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

Any Brood add specific advice on either build pref or just gameplay?

[jagged pier]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkFVARpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDQQA i mean i used this for add tanking

was fine

can run spell block for final phase as well

or run bolster if u want

but adds your really not tanking all the time

so u dont need HR

its only the first set that hurts because of the stacking debuff

everything else is fine

if u have a evoker/ or your a dwarf and inturpts happen

[round pendant]

Try Quazii's one

[cinder jackal]

Thanks @jagged pier - Was that build specifically for this, or what you generally use on adds or even M+?

[jagged pier]

for brood add tanking only

cause theres stuff in there thats just for second phase

[round pendant]

brood is probably my least favourite boss ever tbh

[fierce phoenix]

How helpful is spellblock for p2 brood, what are you blocking?

[jagged pier]

it blocks inital hit of tank combo

but ive never used it there

cause i have SW for everyone

[fierce phoenix]

Ah interesting ty!

[south patrol]

Is macroing shield slam and block together a good idea ? I struggle at keeping shield block on active . I tank in the 10-15 range

[jagged pier]

no its terrible

[livid meadow]

Hey guys ! I often encounter a really annoying bug with shield charge, sometime when i use it it go on cd w/o charging giving me shield bloc and rage that's really annoying on keys sometime. Someone know how i can avoid or resolve that problem ? Thanks ! 🙂

[blazing condor]

you have the right talent?

[pallid quiver]

Well, from all of this, I'm assuming you're using Shield Charge to charge, which you shouldn't be doing

And it's going on CD because you're using it in melee, which you should be doing

It's a damage CD, not a mobility one

[livid meadow]

It's a bad idea to start a pack on low rage w/ shield charge ?

[pallid quiver]

Yes, because then you can't normal charge in

[blazing condor]

you use normal charge for that

[livid meadow]

to get shield block / ignore pain on cd

[pallid quiver]

so you're getting less rage

and missing damage

[livid meadow]

oh yes you're right on that

[blazing condor]

you can very easily get rage/shield block/IP by normal charging

you pre throw ravager > charge + avatar > use shit

then you can use shield charge

[pallid quiver]

You want most everything all bundled up before pressing Shield Charge, since it's one of your highest damage per button press abilities as a whole, and it does AOE damage

The fact it's off the GCD when you charge with it doesn't make up for everything you'd lose, otherwise

[livid meadow]

alright , i thought shield was good to get instantly shield block / IP , and also tought losing damage was < defensive ^^

but since i can get everything with a normal charge it's better xD

always felt like i was missing rage for IP on high damage pack with normal charge

[pallid quiver]

Playing offensively is playing defensively; by the time you'd use Shield Charge for damage is when you'd want the duration on SB to be up; if you're just moving around gathering mobs, it's time draining on SB. If you initiate on a target/pack and stay there with Shield Charge, normal Charge would do the same thing and can still get you SB with Avatar/pre-pull Rav, etc.

IP won't really make that drastic of a difference if you're getting blasted at the start of a pull; that's what things like Shield Wall are for

It'll definitely drain you slower, but your first prio is Shield Block

[livid meadow]

Avatar pre pull is a good thing ? always keep it for damage window after getting all my IP / shield block up

[pallid quiver]

If it's the very first pull of a dungeon, you should have your CDs and should be overflowing with rage

You charge-avatar into packs if you can

[livid meadow]

Oh Avatar generate rage never seen that , ok with avatar it should be way easier

[pallid quiver]

Your overall way to start a pull with all CDs up is generally:

Pre-pull Ravager onto pack -> Charge + Avatar > SS/TC to make sure you don't lose aggro > Demo Shout > Thunderous Roar > Shield Charge

the demo shout and roar might be swapped i can't remember this late

Doing all that should fill you with a ton of rage since Ravager is ticking the entire time, Charge+Avatar generate a bunch, so you should be able to get Block up as soon as you're in contact with mobs,

Then you generate more rage and need to press IP to avoid overcapping rage

[kindred furnace]

does anyone know a way to check shield slam procs from strategist in warcraftlogs?

I can't seem to find it

[livid meadow]

Yeah actually rage in mid pack is not a problem , just felt like it was really bad to start a pack with only shield block and low IP , but with all of that should be really fine , never think i could use ravager that early and always kept it for the "burst window" with roar and shout but it's actually preety sync with because of the duration of the buff , ty for the tips , that was really helpful !

[pallid quiver]

No worries; with the opener worked out, you should feel a lot more comfortable starting on packs, too, and your damage should go up a bit, as well, since you're getting things lined up better

[round pendant]

Charging into packs is something I need to work on too, I usually don't have an issue but sometimes I'll end up without shield block for a few seconds and it's painful

[blazing condor]

you can just pop it mid charge if needed

[tacit haven]

Charge with shield charge if in doubt maybe?

[blazing condor]

its a waste to use shield charge as a charge

[deep spruce]

TR > Demo Shout, as u want to have buffed ticks for as long as possible, rather than buffed initial hit afaik

[blazing condor]

the best opener is just to ravager > charge + avatar > get SS up then dump CDs

[brittle owl]

go in and give em the goodstuffe special

[craggy pilot]

is it normal that Kodo pack TRUCKS on +20 in Nokhud? 🤔

got completely smashed, wasnt expecting it at all

Lightning Cudgel from the 2 smallies on the kodo pack

for whatever reason i cant see the pull in Details 🤔

it grps up all "Raging Tempest Trash" in 1

[deep spruce]

I often kite those 3 cos they slap

[craggy pilot]

yeok

wasnt expecting to get slapped so hard 😄

they slapped me into narnia dude

[hardy snow]

if you want to analyze specific pulls use logs, not details

[craggy pilot]

yea i know 😄

[round pendant]

Yeah kodo pack is scawy

[craggy pilot]

love it when someone fucks a +20 Halls on the first pull hahaha

we agree to go safe in the start to not kill the key

hunter instant pulls 3rd pack anyway and insta dies

to not kicking

while his own kick was ready 🙂

[spare loom]

our best food is fortune cookie right?

[craggy pilot]

yes

[spare loom]

fortune cookie or fated fortune cookie?

[craggy pilot]

i dont think Fortune Cookie gives anything?

[blazing condor]

fortunes

[spare loom]

and 10 stamina xd

im just gonna ignore the fact that i've been using the 10 stamina cookies 😶

[jagged pier]

same then

[lime urchin]

What was slapping you?

[craggy pilot]

everything, i dont have log so cant double check

[spare loom]

where can I find BiS gear in a list? icy veins doesn't have it apparently

I wanna know which dungeons to farm

[sick sentinel]

a fool and his wealth are soon parted, take me for example

[unborn aspen]

yes they truck AF. But besides the kickable cast you surely will have kicked the main dmg comes from the lightning shield, thats purgable.

And then suddenly, the pack doesnt do much anymore.

[dense ledge]

can you outrange the ice cutter in vault?

[vestal lintel]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

the kodo spell FUCKS

[lime urchin]

That’s where I wanted to go

[sick sentinel]

some lightning breath crapm ge spams hell out of it and it hurts,

wierd, neilsons name was white when i responded to him, but now back to normal

assign people to kick kodo, just that easy

[glossy ravine]

you can make it count each instance of combat seperately in settings

[craggy pilot]

do you know where?

i cant seem to find it

[glossy ravine]

i'll log in and have a look for you

[spare loom]

is crafted weapon necessary if I already have a 418 from vault?

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

Only thing you care about is ilvl

[spare loom]

lovely

[lusty tiger]

finished my first +20 last night 4.5 min late on the AV only 1 wipe

[glossy ravine]

/details > mythic dungeon > Uncheck Merge trash, 3rd from the bottom

[astral crystal]

you either have to pull big or do the cringe meme route

that dungeon sucks in terms of design, spend too much time running around doing nothing if you do the press w route

[jagged pier]

not really timed mine with just pressing w tbh

[astral crystal]

i timed mine doing the w route as well, but i was pulling big

[dense ledge]

ok when you say press w, does that mean you pull the entire first ring or jump down?

[lusty tiger]

we wiped on last boss 2 min over

i was goin pretty safe

[astral crystal]

you can get away with a lot as a prot warr, especially if you do ring areas

with spellblock and stops

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A1TwYQKqZckhPXaD#fight=20&type=summary

i forgot to take spellblock

[eager phoenix]

slammed frogs on a +21, had 10-11 mins left on timer just before we engaged 3rd* boss. felt super simple. no need to make it 5d cheess

[lusty tiger]

yea i went frogs

my pot was down so couldnt skip drakanoids

[torpid thistle]

With the M Diurna nerfs, do we still need immunity soakers and/or externals for the tank soak?

[jagged pier]

the tanks and melees just soak

[craggy pilot]

ty

[tame jasper]

They have stealth detection. If you want to "skip" them, u tank (or rogue with evasion etc.) both of them at one of the corner (left or right) while the others (esp healer) run without getting in combat, click book and fly over. When they have crossed you die and get rezzed

or you rlease, run back from 2nd boss and jump down to 3rd boss

[sick sentinel]

i just do hold W appropriate for pugs 5 head pulls

[lusty tiger]

[marble cipher]

I have a weakaura reminding me to take Spell Block whenever I enter RLP, AV or Jade
Because, well, my old brain can't remember it well enough 😄

(same for Intervene in Halls too)

[analog sparrow]

What's the expected downtime today? Coming up at 11pst?

[sick sentinel]

2 hours

[analog sparrow]

Nice. Thank you!

[uneven mason]

I actually ran keys at some point this week yay more than 2 hours playtime

[sick sentinel]

i do 8/8m+'s, 15's if i can for vault

then i do rep WQ, but all WQ

gunna have a valdraken prestige box this week

[uneven mason]

My io isn't high enough on the warrior to get into pug 15s sadly, my crew totally quit while I had a busted hand at the start of the season so I've been totally casual

Lesson learned, when you get older, punching without wrapping properly can injure you

[sick sentinel]

another lesson, don't step into boxing match and expect not to get punched in face also

[lusty tiger]

What did u punch?

[odd tree]

My heals got a girlfriend, sadly in a similar boat

Well, I can get into 15s, just a slow slog with pugs raising my io to 2500

[uneven mason]

A firedoor

[steel frost]

push ur own key if you feel like you got the level. More often than not you can at least push it to 18/19 if your healer knows what's up

at 2.5k, getting into 18/19s is still a pain

dont even talk about 20s xd

people most of the times wants hard carrys with more io than them so its hard to pug anyways, do the same but with your own key and you build urself pretty quickly

[lusty tiger]

were u in a fire?

[mental scarab]

@steel frost taking people with big io is almost always ”oh one small fuck up Im gonna leave”

[sick sentinel]

i know somebody that in response to his at the time GF doing something dumb, he punched telephone pole drunk he says, broke his hand thats for sure

[uneven mason]

I was enraged at the time and I glyph, so you could say I was on fire

[sick sentinel]

you glyph? i don't exactly follow

[uneven mason]

See when I was younger I punched a lot of stupid stuff and never broke or injured my hand... but my body tends to remind me that I'm an old man and I shouldn't fight with metal objects

[uneven mason]

The glyph for enrage lights you on fire

[sick sentinel]

i don't understand how a glyph of when u rage equates to i punched a fire door but okay

[sick sentinel]

that doesnt seem like a very intelligent idea to punch any kind of door, i will say that

[lusty tiger]

Have had a few injuries doing this myself

I’m reformed now

My gaming hand is too precious

[uneven mason]

It's been a number of years since I got that mad

[lusty tiger]

In need of a little weed

[uneven mason]

Allergic sadly I've heard it does wonders for anxiety

[lusty tiger]

Alergic?

[sick sentinel]

highly contextual based on person and sample

method

but thats for another day

[uneven mason]

I've tried it 3 times each time I start vomiting and suffer migraine/vertigo

[lusty tiger]

I use concentrates because actually smoking it gives me a headache

Dam

U need like joe Rogan ice bath meditation then

[daring marlin]

Just take out frustration in the JIM.

[lusty tiger]

Yea turn that dad bod into a mad bod

[sick sentinel]

https://preview.redd.it/5pk20ts3tqt41.jpg?auto=webp&s=77cb2725984d28b5cd192cbe1ca082db944e8181

[lusty tiger]

yeh

[royal rune]

do i get manic grieftorch in prot

[tropic tangle]

no

[strong forum]

No it's not on prot loot table, need to go dps lootspec

[echo egret]

Any suggestion for a nameplate addon that colors Blizzard bars with threat (I have aggro/another tank has aggro/someone else has aggro). The one I was using isn't working in raids most often...

[lavish oracle]

Where's his The Bart The tattoo

[sick sentinel]

shields never appear on as fury i think right

which kinda sucks, and then, also, i wouldnt mind to get a AV versa trinket, it has a 30second cd and versai, why not

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, you only go fury if you want a 1h and but not a shield

If you don't need either, just go arms

Unless you need a tank trinket, I guess

[strong forum]

Plater is your best option

[sick sentinel]

plater with a profile can 10-30% increase your game play

[echo egret]

Yeah ofc Plater - I really want to stick to Blizzard looks for now though

[sick sentinel]

i just, got use to it, too much handy to see dangerous caster mob is purple name plate

[echo egret]

Can it combine threat color and dangerous color ?

[ocean bloom]

my single most impactful plater script has been interupt colors, 4 differnt colors: 1 Cant kick, 2 Kick is up, 3 Kick isnt up, 4 Kick will be up before the cast finishes

that single handedly made my kick count like double

[sick sentinel]

its purple until you lose aggro, then it goes back to a threat related color if i've lost aggro. at least way i set mine up is

[royal rune]

is manic grieftorch 424 in my vault loot table if i only did 3/8 mythic last week (no diurna)

[plush tendon]

as long as you killed the boss once on that difficulty

it can be there

[jagged pier]

have u kill diruna before on mythic?

[royal rune]

nope

[jagged pier]

then no

[sand mason]

You can proc the tier tho

[jagged pier]

u need to kill the boss to have the loot in your loot table

[royal rune]

ok but i can still proc 424 shoulders?

[jagged pier]

yes

[royal rune]

sweet

[jagged pier]

if u have kill her

on another difficulty

[royal rune]

i will have 421 wii regardless of prot or arms spec tho aye

so maybe i'll just loot prot spec, gives me access to a shield cayse my current is 402

[sick sentinel]

there are certian prot only trinkets i want to see, but also same fort dps trinket

[silver vessel]

VAULT TIME

[royal rune]

only dps trinket i want to see is manic grief

[silver vessel]

got my first M20 this week, hopefully we get something good

[sick sentinel]

wel, i dont raid, so GG

unless bag, i will never see it

[royal rune]

regardless, that's the only one that matters

you can craft stuff that's better

or M+

[silver vessel]

lame, just got a +6ilvl tier chest

[dusky canopy]

can i still block while channeling grief torch?

[sick sentinel]

i think i will open prot

[silver vessel]

oh wow, ranged dps affix week

and bolstering on tyrannical, this is a juicy week for tanks

[dusky canopy]

ezpz

[sick sentinel]

poopy vault

[silver vessel]

yeah i just upgraded my 415 chest to 421

meanwhile i have absolutely garbage trinkets

[rough egret]

would you take melandrus ring over ring with socket?

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[rough egret]

I knew

[plush tendon]

I mean, I would take Melandrus ring and then add socket later

[rough egret]

😄

[dusky canopy]

i passed 421 nok ring with socket

but got 421 tier shoulders instead

[sick sentinel]

i am now the proud owner of 411 chest, already had 405, saves me some valor i guess

[rough egret]

I have theese, only melandrus is without socket

ill sim

or not 😄 because US just got reset 😄

[silver vessel]

hmm i didn't play very much this week haha

[coarse flower]

is this trinket good for prot war in keys?

ive seen some people use the 415 one

is this the best 'defensive' option?

[dusky canopy]

[rough egret]

so I did this dungeons 😄 from the 2 runs of CoS i got trinket and ring... pretty lucky 😄

20 next week maybe

[weary lodge]

how big of a trap is this as a tank? ... sometimes off-spec arms/fury

[rough egret]

well if you plan its usage its good

you you should know, that during the channel you are not block/parry/dodge

[rain light]

I never did get a 6th spark

[silver vessel]

you'll get it soon I'm sure

[rain light]

no need now with uncapped valor

just if I wanted more vers or something i guess

[urban portal]

418 hunger much better

[clever heart]

Wat u guys think ? sims pretty close

[royal rune]

421 big toe ooh

[clever heart]

it seems icon is the right choice. but just wanted to check cause its hard to turn down 421

[unkempt rover]

question for the trinkets gurus

[dense coral]

@scarlet saffron

[unkempt rover]

these are my trinkets

and this is vault - should I use it over ruby?

[clever heart]

O ! u have mythic Icon ! BIG

[plush tendon]

Personally, I like Icon and Decoration

[unkempt rover]

yeah regardless I think I just wear for ilvl upgrade over ruby

[patent osprey]

Also leech is big

[unkempt rover]

yeah

15% 🤤

[rugged mural]

421 Verse/Crit legs or 418 Hunger of the Pack?

[timber forge]

leveling my prot.. catch whispering from vault this week but when I simc says Idol of Trampling >> All-Totem of the Master... but trinket raids its better than m+ ?

maybe I dont know simc tank lol always playd dps

[red trail]

Quick question since I come from playing bdk, does it matter which specialization I open the vault with?

[clever heart]

i sorta have same question so ur not alone.
like i thought Totem master was bis trinket for m+ but when i go over my details it never seems to actually perform that well.

[red trail]

Since with bdk you kinda want to roll with unholy 💀

[kindred furnace]

If you have a 418-421 wep or shield I’d just open every vault after as arms

[rugged mural]

Prot if you don't have a good shield/1h as those are highest prio. Then Arms for trinkets and OS weapons.

[marsh axle]

so shield -> weapon -> then everything else?

[red trail]

Have a pretty neat mh but missing a good shield (I'm running the primalist one from the storm)

[kindred furnace]

Yeah I just crafted my 418 wep and shield and called it a day when I was gearing

[hollow aspen]

All totem isnt only aboit damage shown on details, each proc has special effect too

[plush tendon]

its also split into the 4 stances

[clever heart]

O ! lol wtf i didnt know that. ima google wowhead for list of the effects.

ik about it splitting

[plush tendon]

at least mine is split in details

[hollow aspen]

Like fire proc increases damage on target hit

[clever heart]

i thought it just did 4 dif damages

[plush tendon]

there may be a setting where it shows as one?

[timber forge]

its good use All-Totem + Whispering?

seems cool

[plush tendon]

I use those two

when I have other Icons in the group

otherwise, I swap Icon with whetstone

[clever heart]

Fire proc still just = damage. id of thought it would be more damage in overall

[kindred furnace]

^whispering gets most of its use for other icons

[red trail]

Dope I got all gear and no weps/shield/trinkets

Lucked out

[rugged mural]

421 Verse/Crit legs or 418 Hunger of the Pack? Neither seems that breaking

[plush tendon]

what are current legs?

[timber forge]

thanks. when I simc says Icon + trampling (centaur speed buff) but seems All-Totem its better. lol

[rugged mural]

408 tier that I can upgrade

[sick sentinel]

my damages from all totem

[plush tendon]

421 legs-> catalyze would be my bet tbh

[sick sentinel]

pretty smoge vault but should I take socket here? my chest is 398 but i can easily just upgrade it with valor

[plush tendon]

those would be flat out bis legs

where the hunger is kind of just a decent trinket

[drifting tinsel]

421 Crystallized Bulwark or 418 Seal of Filial Duty from vault?

Either would be replacing a 418 shield or a 415 thundering down burst ring with socket :< this is a tough choice for me..

[plush tendon]

Shield

[kindred furnace]

Ring requires belt to proc it which is fine

[drifting tinsel]

i have unstable frostfire already which is part of the tough choice

[kindred furnace]

But it’s also kinda minimal healing as well

[plush tendon]

youll get more from a 421 shield

in terms of mitagation and damage

also, Seal's stats kind of poop and if you have a socketed ring

hard to replace that

[kindred furnace]

The 431 seal is hard to replace tho

[plush tendon]

yea, but thats cause its 10 I levels above everything else (just has more stat then anything else)

and if you getting 431 seal options, you also gonna get 424 shield options

[small dove]

I have a 418 shield, my reward this week is 421, is it better to use a fury specialization to generate the loot vs protection?

[drifting tinsel]

yeah i screwed up and grabbed the ring already and realized blizz cant help you reverse it like bad disenchants so rip 😦

[heady stratus]

wich option is better?. Not sure if trincket 421 is the best.

[kindred furnace]

418 vs 421 is super comparable, you’ll notice no difference basically

[plush tendon]

your guild will be sad if you dont take the mythic Icon

[drifting tinsel]

yeah i figured scrub, so im not super bothered by it, but now i know

ty all for the input

[rain light]

oh well there you go

[kindred furnace]

He has one

[heady stratus]

yeah, but I already had, with leech so I dont know

[kindred furnace]

Just heroic

[plush tendon]

kind of tough choice

[kindred furnace]

Just sim it

[plush tendon]

seems like a sim yourself kind of answer

also sim a 415 tier helm with the Icon

cause you can now make that EZ

[heady stratus]

oks

[kindred furnace]

That dathea’s cage is good

I can’t see the ilvl tho

[small dove]

Sorry to ask again but any thoughts on this?

[kindred furnace]

Yes

[plush tendon]

now that you have a 421 shield? yea

probs

[kindred furnace]

Unless you want a 1h but you would go fury

[plush tendon]

unless you fishing for a All-Totem and geared everything else out

[plush tendon]

Fury can still drop a 1h

[dusky canopy]

I would loot prot until you get 421 shield if you have 421 options

421 shield is hard BIS item

[plush tendon]

Semi Hard BiS

[dusky canopy]

nothing better available until you have that

[kindred furnace]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying, if you wanted a 1h pull as fury, otherwise pull as arms

[small dove]

ok thank you

[near ether]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017921331666354227/1075096090698862672/image.png?width=834&height=469 this is my vault what should i grab?

[strong forum]

doesnt really matter what you pick there as all of those ilvls are easily replaced by just doing higher content

so its super hard to give a recommendation

the ring is a decent pickup assuming you have the unstable frostfire belt

[near ether]

i do have the belt

the helm has a gem slot

[strong forum]

yeah but its only 385ilvl

[kindred furnace]

Yeah the ring is the only thing I can imagine you not replacing soon with the vault

[strong forum]

you could also just pick the coins and buy a socket

[clever heart]

Can someone tell me what I am missing.
Im trying to choose between 408 Icon VS 421 Big Toe trinkets in Great Vault.

Subcreation, Bloodmallet, warcraft logs, and even this discord all tell me i probably should take 408 Icon.

But my Sims are ALL telling me 421 Big toe is a much higher dps increase. So what am i missing ? I did like 8 different kind of sims for aoe vs st & so forth.

[strong forum]

and hold onto that until you get a high ilvl item

[kindred furnace]

Everything else will get replaced in a few dungeons

[strong forum]

depends on if your group has other icons available

if your group doesnt have icons, big toe is better, if it does have icons, getting an icon aswell is better for you and your group

[clever heart]

I simmed it as though we had dps + heal + tank icons.
Big toe still crushing it in sims ? but NOBODY is using big toe so it obviously isnt as good as the sims seem to be implying.

[strong forum]

its not just your dmg

[kindred furnace]

You’re also providing the trinket buff to others

[strong forum]

you also enable your groups icons

[kindred furnace]

You’re a buff bitch

[strong forum]

which is more overall dps

[clever heart]

FK im dumb ! that's why it has more value. Buffing 2-4 OTHER peoples dps as well

TY Normeratur.

[kindred furnace]

More than that in raid

[near ether]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/rengclaw

[strong forum]

in raid you buff up to 18 other people ;D

[near ether]

this is the gear i have atm

[strong forum]

yeah pick ring or socket

[plush tendon]

Icon is also becoming more common on people and it tends to be a desired trinket for DPS

[strong forum]

those are your 2 options Reng

[near ether]

k

[plush tendon]

a little more then half my raid has a Icon of some sort

or at least uses it

[sick sentinel]

thats an interesting bar set up

[frank dust]

Do we use spell block for council

[clever heart]

SO for M+ keys 18-22 range, if you have every trinket in game we would probably use:
Icon + Totem master (IF your group has 2-4 other icons)
Totem master + Whetstone (or big toe or grief torch or rumbling ruby IF no other icons).

you think that sounds accurate @strong forum ?

[small dove]

so problem i see is this trinket looks pretty great, but my shoulders are 398 so the 421 is a huge upgrade

[kindred furnace]

Definitely shoulders

[near ether]

any ways to improve my bars?

[sick sentinel]

421 tier is pretty goo

[plush tendon]

Shoulders

[strong forum]

prolly shoulders

all-totem can be farmed

421 tier shoulders, not rly unless you clear mythic

[small dove]

ok

[plush tendon]

Mythic tier shoulders are 424

but yea, low drop chance on that

[strong forum]

yeah but cba doing that distinction

[frank dust]

Do we use spell block on council

[strong forum]

no

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

you dont play spellblock outside of rasza

[uncut thunder]

Same conundrum but 415 shoulders

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w51BeVZCPKGPYgWiw3GuLa

[strong forum]

maybe dathea/kurog

[frank dust]

Ok

[kindred furnace]

Spell block on broodkeeper good

[strong forum]

huh

[kindred furnace]

Although not really needed anymore

[frank dust]

Do what should u care about for council

[plush tendon]

dont see the need for Spellblock on Kurog... though it could help

seems a bit overkill

[uncut thunder]

Having a hard time skiping the trinket

[frank dust]

Just crush and facing frontal?

[strong forum]

ye slurp

[frank dust]

Ok thank you

[strong forum]

its always up to you

do what you want

[rustic trench]

I have 3 rings, a crafted 418 with haste/vers, 421 eranog ring with leech and a 415 melandrus aa ring? Which ones should I use as a prot war pushing 23s/24s?

[uncut thunder]

Im torn

[plush tendon]

not sure on Dathea... forced on the Blood DK to clean up platforms with grips

[strong forum]

i can understand why

[frank dust]

Im going to try tanking it on a 395 prot tonight

[strong forum]

on mythic maybe tank buster hurts, and nails doesnt have alot of value anyway

that boss rarely melees

thats what im thinking about

[kindred furnace]

Dathea?

Or you mean brood

[strong forum]

dathea

[plush tendon]

Dathea

storm lady

[kindred furnace]

Yeah I can’t see a world where you would need spell block

[plush tendon]

Or as I like to call her, worse Artificier

[kindred furnace]

The tank buster hits for nothing shield blocked up to like 4 stacks

[strong forum]

yes

thats what im saying

like

[lilac jay]

What lootspecc did u open your vault?

[plush tendon]

I can see Spellblock being helpful on Kurog during the earth phase on Mythic

[strong forum]

doesnt matter which lootspec he was

[plush tendon]

especially with the overlap

[heady stratus]

fury

[kindred furnace]

Spell block gets a bit of extra value because of the ticking damage, but usually if you die everyone else died to the dot before you

[strong forum]

yes

im just weighing the options

and nails is very easy to give up

on that boss

cuz you basically never get meleed

[kindred furnace]

Ehh

[empty inlet]

They need to be able to let you open vault on mobile

[kindred furnace]

Idk if it’s inflated by adds being silenced in, but you still get good use out of nails, like 400k damage on my last dathea

[plush tendon]

can also grab disrupting shout for Tough as Nails

for the interupt

[strong forum]

then you lose punish

[lilac jay]

This week tyran+bolstering+volcanic is actually kinda okay or?

[strong forum]

and thats no-go

ye its the 2nd easiest tyr week

[plush tendon]

I know we tried that we double prot warrior (but its much less efficient then having two DK)

[strong forum]

sense dropped impenetrable wall to get disruptive shout

[plush tendon]

fair, didnt think of that

[strong forum]

he ran bolster

[kindred furnace]

Only issue with disruptive shout is if you get shit add spawns

As opposed to dk

[strong forum]

you need to position well with it ye

[violet violet]

What would you guys take for m+? 20-24 range. Icon, All-totem, Decoration

[plush tendon]

thats what our conclusion was

[strong forum]

all-totem + icon

decoration is hot garbage

[plush tendon]

had to make some stupid case scenario interrupt thing

[kindred furnace]

You just have a random dps kick it in tho

[plush tendon]

without grips

[plush tendon]

you make it sound so EZ

[kindred furnace]

There should only be like 2 adds max that don’t get hit by disrupting shout

[violet violet]

ty!

[left beacon]

421 horn of valor? worth taking with a whetstone?

[naive panther]

wish a spark would drop so i wouldn't be tempted to open this box as arms

[rustic trench]

I have a 421 eranog ring with leech, a 418 crafted ring haste/vers, and a 415 melandrus ring which combo should I be using?

I'm thinking eranog ring and crafted ring

[jagged pier]

mel and eggnogg ring

[naive panther]

yep

mel and eranog

[kindred furnace]

Especially if you already have unstable

[naive panther]

get belt if you don't

[rustic trench]

gonna get belt asap

griefed 2 sparks now 😦

[naive panther]

can mythic all totem be in box if you've only done first 2 mythic?

[rustic trench]

no only tier from other bosses afaik

[naive panther]

k thx

[tame jasper]

no, only loot from bosses you have killed once

[robust lark]

sighhhh

[tame jasper]

(and set items)

[naive panther]

just weighing pros and cons

[dusky canopy]

Send Help

[plush tendon]

looks like good IO

good luck!

[tame jasper]

@robust lark this vault would be an easy pick of the dathea neck for mount for me 👼

[rustic trench]

just find the right healer 🙂

[plush tendon]

yea, thats a big boi 22

[tame jasper]

nice key 🙂 come to EU and Ill tank

[plush tendon]

time that key and youll get your 22 tank certified certificate

aint no one counting 22 SBGs or 22 Courts for that

[naive panther]

welp i opened as arms and got a weapon, nice, time to craft shield and go back prot spec next week

[dusky canopy]

heres goes nothin

[sick sentinel]

joined a key

hunter didnt lust tree AA, deplete

all in about 5 minuts

[rustic trench]

i was in a 23 NO yesterday we wouldve timed if the druid didnt break cc with adaptive swarm. rip my 23 tank certificate

[robust lark]

haha...yeaaaah. I've got otto and the heroic otter and I'm like UGHHH

[plush tendon]

rip

not 23 certified

NO is a big boi key too

[queen canopy]

What are our thoughts on Puzzlebox as prot?

[kindred furnace]

Would not recommend

[amber siren]

Not ideal, you have to use it either pre-pull or during some sort of time you're not being melee'd

[lime urchin]

It’s better than not equipping a trinket. I think that’s all you can say about it.

[kindred furnace]

Yeah, you can get decent use out of it in m+ but replace asap

[solemn vessel]

am i going to get punched in the mouth if i use boon in keys as prot?

[dusky canopy]

Rip 22 RLP wiped to first boss at 5% couldnt live

...................

[kindred furnace]

Requires planning most of the time when you’re going to use it

[glass robin]

What about Manic Grieftorch as prot?

[solemn vessel]

as in because im planted? im just asking if i can still block/parry, etc.

[kindred furnace]

You will get punched in the mouth with grieftorch

[naive panther]

brew that doesn't surprise me, did you have spell block?

[dusky canopy]

no i didnt should of ran it

[kindred furnace]

You can still block and parry

With boon

[solemn vessel]

thanks

[kindred furnace]

Was more so saying planted, also can’t block if whatever gets behind you

[solemn vessel]

fair

[glass robin]

[grim nymph]

How valuable is avoidance for high keys (i.e. +24)? Just wondering because I could replace a 421 tier piece with a 421 tier piece with avoidance. Or I guess I could take some shit ring or socket.

[strong forum]

as tank you dont value avoidance nearly as high as dps do

[kindred furnace]

Super super minimal

[sick sentinel]

leech

[strong forum]

the aoe pulse shit is aimed at dps, they can get 1shot by it, to tanks its not threatening

[golden cargo]

When should we start to look at replacing Unstable Arcane Loop? I've got 400+ ilvl rings but I dont know when the loss of the shield out weighs it.

[strong forum]

the cobalt assembly stuff?

[golden cargo]

Yee

[grim nymph]

Yeah, the only important things I can think of off the top of my head that avoidance reduces are Hyrja's beam, frontals in HoV, and the piercing shards cast in AV

[strong forum]

410+ rings defensively outvalue it

and offensively 400s are better in m+

[golden cargo]

K I have 405s. I'll try em, thanks

[kindred furnace]

There’s a lot more spots where avoidance has an effect, it’s just devalued a lot for you.

[grim nymph]

Most deadly shit isn't reduced, sadly

Maybe I go socket angle then 🤔

[kindred furnace]

Socket is always good

[grim nymph]

I guess I could get a 421 crit/mastery ring too, but...meh

[dense wadi]

All-totem of the master isnt showing up in sims.
395 Totem VS 402 Rumbling Ruby?

[grim nymph]

It's not the autoattack ring

[gloomy turret]

is horn any good for prot?

if im wearing,

[kindred furnace]

Sim it, but more than likely it’s better than the 389

[dawn pollen]

leech worth replacing lariat?

[jagged pier]

no

[dawn pollen]

sounds good

[craggy pilot]

what addons do people use in Raids for loot other than Loot Council?
is there some kind of addon that can show how much of an increase/sidegrade each piece is for each member 🤔

having real issue of people being loot whore and causing arguments in our guild raids

but loot council is too much micro management

[nimble laurel]

415 big toe simming higher than 421 blazebinder for m+ 😮 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/haQXPyeJwAaxv51nPo7PYN

[noble sapphire]

which ring would you pick? I only pug raid so M Brood won't be dying anytime soon

[jagged pier]

chosen

[noble sapphire]

is the absorb shield not great?

[grim nymph]

damage all day every day

[kindred furnace]

Anything that shows % upgrades is subject to wild fluctuations, most guilds just trust their raiders or give items based on upgrades

The shield is minimal

[craggy pilot]

yea but mostly people needing on a sidegrade, when another person is needing for 10+ ilvl

[grim nymph]

It's not minimal, but it's not gonna save you either

[craggy pilot]

idk if theres a better way than just straight inspecting people? 🤔

[noble sapphire]

ty for the feedback 🙂 moar dots it is

[jagged pier]

just get everyone to send a droptimizer sim to u

or set up a wow audit

[kindred furnace]

Also no, if you want to control who can roll on what you’d have to do a loot council

[jagged pier]

and ppl can do it that way

[craggy pilot]

what is WoW audit?

[jagged pier]

its a website

my guild uses it u do a dropimizer u put the link in it

[mighty valley]

it's insane to me that a casual hc guild has any kind of loot system

[jagged pier]

and it compares upgrade across your raid

[mighty valley]

just let people roll on shit they need, gear isn't what's holding the squad back from prog

[jagged pier]

but u still need loot council to give out the loot

[craggy pilot]

yea we dont have any loot system currently

[dense wadi]

All-totem of the master isnt showing up in sims for me

[craggy pilot]

and i also feel its a bit too much to do loot system

but people are getting mad because shitters are getting the Grieftorches 😄

and people with 0 fire dmg get the Eranog ring

etc

[mighty valley]

but according to the logs you shared, everyone's a shitter

[craggy pilot]

❤️

hahaha

[mighty valley]

everyone can craft for fire damage right?

[jagged pier]

yes

[craggy pilot]

thats if they take time to do that

[dense wadi]

any idea how I can compare trinkets if one doesn't show up in sims?

[craggy pilot]

we had person get the Fire ring

next week for raid he still had no fire dmg

[mighty valley]

everyone in your guild should take the energy they spend crying about loot and put it into learning one thing about their spec

[dense wadi]

Wanting to compare 395 Totem VS 402 Rumbling Ruby?

[craggy pilot]

lol

[jagged pier]

for m+ its better

for raid its not

[jagged pier]

i mean if ppl are doing this tbh, u need to be a bit more ruthless about

[dusky canopy]

@plush tendon got the 21 atleast

[plush tendon]

nioce

cleanish run

[craggy pilot]

yea casual guild, and loot controlling is not 2 words that go together i feel

[plush tendon]

Causal guilds are weird to me

or at least the moniker casual

[jagged pier]

i mean u complain about it all the time and u obivously want to be somewhere more progressed like your question about loot stuff is literally we need a more controlled thing that doesnt land in your group

u should just move

[kindred furnace]

I mean it’s on your guild to decide what you want to do about loot

[mighty valley]

"casual" is, like, a huge spectrum

[craggy pilot]

not really me who is complaining about the loot 😄

[empty inlet]

Bring back personal loot with bonus roll

[craggy pilot]

i could care less about the loot, since im getting all my gear from M+

[kindred furnace]

For heroic/early mythic I’d imagine loot council could be a deal breaker for some raiders

[mighty valley]

in my experience, people who are really immature about loot don't really stop complaining when you make a bunch of loot rules, they just start complaining about the rules instead

[craggy pilot]

but everyone else is complaining, so just wanted suggestions for any addons

[modern brook]

Casual is binary either they're casual or they're not 🧠

[grim nymph]

What stats are best for defense now that I've gotten all the big ilevel pieces? STR >>>>>>>>> Haste > vers > else?

[craggy pilot]

the low parsers will always say they are parsing low because of gear 🙂

[strong forum]

i would take this neck in heartbeat

[plush tendon]

^ that was my thought; get the vers crafted bracers in replace of lariat

seems like a good tradeoff

[jagged pier]

the requires a spark

[fast obsidian]

Belt or Tier shoudlers? both rolled w/ Avoidance, both replaciong 398's, but the belt has a socket

[plush tendon]

or add a embellishment on a existing piece

[craggy pilot]

thats actually a huge point

[dawn pollen]

I have haste tinker bracers already, could recraft

[craggy pilot]

and you can just craft the normal neck, and get settings on that, if the idea is to save on Settings + Gems

[royal lance]

what exactly changed on prot pala that its considered stronger than 2-3 weeks ago? or are the changes coming 10.0.7?

[strong forum]

id say shoulders

[plush tendon]

Haste tinker bracers are good; but I bet a 421 neck with leach plus like a wep embellishment does better then 418 lariat and no wep embellishment

[strong forum]

its not

[jagged pier]

ppl got gear on them

[strong forum]

people just slept on pally

[plush tendon]

would have to sim.... but thats my gut

[empty inlet]

6 token unironically

[craggy pilot]

i just helped my guild tank gear up his Warr, we crafted Frostfire belt + Allied wrist + Shield + Neck (with 3 socket) for him

[mighty valley]

if you can get another embellishment no problem, 421 leech neck is pretty much bis, there's nothing magical about lariat for us

[strong forum]

we've been saying since launch that prot pally will be king of high keys

but nobody gave it a shot

[craggy pilot]

got him pretty set with only 4 Sparks

[plush tendon]

community is dumb

[empty inlet]

With valor uncapped taking anything less than 415 from vault doesn’t make sense

[strong forum]

andy was the first one, but he didnt like his survival so he went prot war, but slowly swapped back to pally more and more the higher he got in keylevels

[tropic tangle]

Dorki talked about pal the other night

[strong forum]

cuz the surv requirement of the group rose over tank

[tropic tangle]

basically saying in high keys the thing is being safe

and pala is generally safest

[royal lance]

ok thanks

[plush tendon]

The real answer is to play what you like, and get good at it

and then it doesnt matter

[empty inlet]

Warrior and paladin is dungeon dependent.

[tropic tangle]

yeah, like take that with a grain of salt because he's at the bleeding edge of keys

[royal lance]

actually expected brew to rise after 10.0.5 changes but theyre still not that prominent

[empty inlet]

Going in a hov as paladin is not safer than a warrior for sure.

[tropic tangle]

but people also hear that / see him playing Pal more and just follow along

[plush tendon]

Brew just hasnt been popular like ever and its a hard spec

but it pumps the DPS

[empty inlet]

Warrior will save time in NO

[lone eagle]

Paladin is really good with knowledge

[empty inlet]

Reflecting 2 bosses

[lone eagle]

They have an assortment of CDs and strong windows of power

[plush tendon]

again, it just comes down to what you like and how good are you at maximizing your strengths and minimizing weaknesses of your class

[empty inlet]

Tldr paladin warrior is dungeon dependent

[craggy pilot]

paladins just have so many defensive CDs

its insane

[lone eagle]

As more is figured out about dungeons they scale up because there is less reacting and more proactive choices

[plush tendon]

too many people just swap to whatever is flavor, never learning their class's potential and just think that cause its 'meta' theyll suceed

[royal lance]

so does BDK

[strong forum]

lots of people also just yap after what others are saying

[jagged pier]

BDK will be better then warrior when they get buffs

[craggy pilot]

really? i hear my BDK complain about he has no more CDs all the time

[strong forum]

BDK has 0 troubles vs any bosses

[plush tendon]

BDK damage is just sad 😦

[jagged pier]

if the general consensus of what ppl say in here, they cant get invited if they dont play meta

[craggy pilot]

TJS even?

[strong forum]

yes

[mighty valley]

all the big content creators should sign a secret pact next expansion where they just make tier lists based on randomizers and see how much the meta follows them

[grim nymph]

BDK should legit never die. It's just poopoo damage

[strong forum]

BDK laughs at 3rd boss TJS

[lone eagle]

BDK is king of TJS

[strong forum]

bdk gets a 15% dmg buff in 10.0.7

so they will become more attractive for keys

[craggy pilot]

ah ye AMS takes entire boss hit i guess

[strong forum]

but SR, Rally and Battleshout still exists

[jagged pier]

bdk laughs at every boss in the raid as well

[lone eagle]

probably objectively the best tank in TJS

[strong forum]

deathstrike

[tropic tangle]

death strike

[cloud umbra]

I find that hard to believe haha

[lone eagle]

They just death strike the heal absorb

[strong forum]

aslong as bdk doesnt get 1shot, he just presses deathstrike and removed the heal absorb

[craggy pilot]

does Death Strike just take the entire thing?

[strong forum]

ye

[lone eagle]

And it's gone very quick

[craggy pilot]

wtf

🤣

[strong forum]

and bdk is immune to physical dmg

cuz of bloodshield

[lone eagle]

2 DS, gone

[jagged pier]

it already is suvivability wise, once it gets it damage

its better

[grim nymph]

It's a heal absorb on a self-healing tank. They just delete it.

[plush tendon]

wait they do? Is there a patch note I missed?

[strong forum]

ye

10% ST buff and 15% aoe dmg buff

[lone eagle]

Brew is honestly pretty disgusting right now but it's definitely a bit more execution dependent on certain pulls and encounters

[main spoke]

But is it fun

[strong forum]

is what bdk gets in 0.7

[kindred furnace]

Blood dk is a perfect raid co-tank

[strong forum]

yes

[cloud umbra]

The bdk discord says it’ll just be 3St/6aoe

Oh

[craggy pilot]

BDK discord is crazy

[cloud umbra]

I missed it. Another buff came out?

[plush tendon]

oh I see it now

[strong forum]

i guess i had old info

asa told me it was 10% st and 15% aoe

[kindred furnace]

Bears #1 damage tank now

[strong forum]

yes

[lone eagle]

Honestly after the changes all tanks are pretty even with good play

[strong forum]

bear is unfought dmg king

aoe and st

[cloud umbra]

It’s a bunch of 15%s that equate to 3-6% overall

[lone eagle]

I think pwar is easiest to mash keyboard and generally succeed

[strong forum]

yes

[kindred furnace]

Although when you look at logs sometimes you have to give it a pumps nerf

[strong forum]

pwar is the easiest tank

[lone eagle]

But to excel still takes a lot of skill

Floor isn't high though

[strong forum]

well pumps is really the only good bear main

[lone eagle]

Hey I was right up there with him when I was bear the start of the patch 😭

[strong forum]

pumps is to bear what sense is to us

you cant compete

[lone eagle]

Sense mostly just impresses me because he raid leads while juicing

[frank dust]

do you spell block every electric jaw

[jagged pier]

weak aura do most of the raid leading nowadays

[lone eagle]

I had to raid lead Dathea prog due to surgeries and family crises taking the entire officer/leadership core out

[jagged pier]

just calling out mechanics is pretty easy in general

[lone eagle]

Honestly depends on the skill level of the guild

[strong forum]

dathea is like the only hard mechanical boss aside from rasza

[lone eagle]

I think late CE guilds RLeads have to actually handhold quite a bit

[jagged pier]

yer but rasza is honestly hard individual mechanics

they just need calling out

and ppl need to have seen the mechanics to know what to do

[kindred furnace]

No you can’t spell block every jaw

Pretty sure you can get every other though (unsure about p3)

[fathom goblet]

can someone share skip route on AV

skip frogs

[strong forum]

i dont have skip route

i only W

[hidden ether]

im all 415-418 gear expect for my trinkets they are 402 Decoration of flame, 411 enudring scale.

should i onen my single 424 vault in prot or arms spec

[lone eagle]

I think the skip route was a lot better before the frog health nerf

[strong forum]

thats some sad trinkets...

[lone eagle]

But it depends a bit on week and group comp

[hidden ether]

I am a sad boy

[fathom goblet]

do you have the route ?

you can share ?

[lone eagle]

There's a lot of variations on the route you can do

[kindred furnace]

You just let first 2 whelps go off then normal until 2 rings pull both full rings, then full 2nd bosses room

[lone eagle]

Can share a couple

[fathom goblet]

just give me one

or plenty

dunno

[lone eagle]

Haven't pushed keys in the last month or so but was doing 22 AVs 6+ weeks ago with these routes

[fathom goblet]

ok