protection

[daring marlin]

Fingers crossed for rating gain every time lol

[sick sentinel]

this is just after reset on a monday

so not ideal example

but this is my feast RN

tomorrow i will check and there will easily be 5 times that many

[modest gulch]

My tank is 414 atm, and I'm still probably going to convert some 398 mythic shoulders to tier and bump them to 415. idk why but shoulders won't drop from Vault. Doesn't bother me one bit to run some +2's to help friends gear, while also advancing my character faster than waiting on shitty vault rng.

(also fingers crossed for 421 shoulders this week in vault so I don't feel like I need to bother with it. lol)

[daring marlin]

inb4 a phat trinket drops

or 421 shield 👀

[modest gulch]

Yea

[vernal vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NxDymVKB3aTGbQn7

Okay, so apparently I'm dying too easy according to people on my raid team. Is there anything agregious that I'm missing in looking at my logs. I know I've got a few mistakes as happens on some pulls. Also if you range sennarth spider goes rapid fire on web blast and slaps apparently. Anyone that notices anything I'm just flat doing wrong let me know.

[urban portal]

a quick look at the logsi is that you arent blocking web blasts and melees

each unblocked web blast is like 200k

the melees arent doing much tho

[spare loom]

is Tough as Nails better than Spell Block?

[urban portal]

they do different things

one does damage the other one doesnt

[round pendant]

If you don't need shield block yeah

[spare loom]

idk which to play in m+

[round pendant]

Spell block*

[round pendant]

Depends on the dungeon. Spell block is necessary for TJS

[urban portal]

tough as nails by default

spell blocki f you need it

[spare loom]

okay

also, does anyone have a list for things that can be spell reflected?

[lofty widget]

there's a sheet pinned

[spare loom]

okay thanks

[modest gulch]

1 cast of defensive stance over the course of all encounters. You can use this like a 15% DR cooldown as needed, popping in and out.

[urban portal]

you can perma sit in defensive stance in raid

its a wimp play

but you need to do what you gotta to do prog

you arent really casting a lot of spell block either

[drifting minnow]

from a pure ST damage standpoint how should i prioritize between SL, TC and execute during execute phase?

[jagged pier]

depends on what they mean by dying

[drifting minnow]

do i revenge at all at that point

yea i guess so to maintain tier

[urban portal]

slam>execute>tc=revenge essentially

not maintaining tier is a dps up

[modest gulch]

Also 4% DR tho, you could stack that during tank busters if you really wanted to or for Rasz beam.

[strong forum]

cant really stack tierset, but ye if surv becomes an issue, you dont execute and just continue as normal

[modest gulch]

What do you mean you can't stack tier set? What I mean is "use in conjunction with other DRs to mitigate more"

[drifting minnow]

ty

[strong forum]

Well duh, but you made it sound like you could have multiple applications of tierset buff

[drifting minnow]

whats the target cap where you should use violent outburst on thunderclap instead

with/without avatar

[icy bane]

Think it’s 5+

[modest gulch]

So assume someone is an idiot first before acknowledging stuff that can't happen. 👍

[drifting minnow]

ngl ive just been using it on SS because its so drilled into me

regardless of targets

[jagged pier]

i dont see why u guys are going to like 6 stacks of web blast when u can swap on like 3 , like here u died to an unmitigated web blast, when ytour high on stacks dont know why yu wouldnt have SB up
but also seems like your healers arent healing u not topped for 5 seconds when your tanking

kinda giga dumb

u do need very little healing

[vernal vale]

When you range boss it will ignore block sometimes which certainly doesn't help

[dapper venture]

I mean its good to clarify because someone new coming in and reading that might get confused

[modern brook]

it wont ignore block "sometimes" its not being blocked cause you're giving your back to him

[modest gulch]

Someone progging Sennarth mythic is probably not new.

[west adder]

Heyo, not a real prot question but a tanking question, After First Boss in Sbg theres a soul being dominated, and 2 of my melees got meeled to death by this one After i kicked it although i taunted it before with st taunt and after with aoe taunt and third boss randomly spit some1 to death in 0.4 sec, was it my fault or are those buggy?

[strong forum]

they reset threat when dominate is being cast

[vernal vale]

They said I'm dying compared to "other" tanks they have had. Dk, and monk.

[drifting minnow]

iirc the dominated mob's aggro is based on the dominators aggro

[urban portal]

bro you are literally dropping shield block and get smacked by a web blast

[toxic pewter]

dang I didn’t even realize that happened.. that’s good to know

[urban portal]

its not even that "boss ranging you"

you are just not putting up block

[drifting minnow]

so if they're standing out in the back you may not have aggro on the dude thats killing melee

[strong forum]

even when youre next to them

they can randomly smack someone else, when the dominator attempts to cast dominate

[vernal vale]

Must be weirdness with stairs then.

[strong forum]

and the patrolling mob in the back is mega bugged, that dominate cast you gotta interrupt instantly otherwise you wont get threat at all on the melee mob

the 2 on the sides you can interrupt late, but make sure to interrupt them

[jagged pier]

well yer of course your taking unmitigated damage and not being healed and going to stacks far higher than is required, your not a monk who has stagger or bdk that can heal themselves

its your playing wrong combined with your healers not healing u

[strong forum]

if you kill the dominators before you interrupted their dominate cast, you wont have threat on the melee mobs

[modest gulch]

Another thing to look at is not to overcap ignore pain and waste rage like this. If you don't have an ignore pain tracker there are weak auras that make this a lot easier.

[jagged pier]

okay webblast is physical

it can be blocked

[strong forum]

overcapping ignore pain is largely irrelevant

what matters is not overcapping rage

[drifting minnow]

is it viable to use VO on TC with 2 targets?

[strong forum]

no

only on 5+

[drifting minnow]

ok

[modern brook]

did u take a photo with your phone and then crop it instead of just taking a screenshot?

[drifting minnow]

do i ever use vo on tc outside of avatar then

[modest gulch]

Looks like you're doing this a lot. Some of this rage could have been used for shield block or revenge (-4% DR with Tier).

[drifting minnow]

the target count has to be pretty high for it to be worth the rage loss

[vernal vale]

I'll have to fix dropping then I'm not noticing those gaps on my block tracker but it must be timing.

[toxic pewter]

Could that be revenges refreshing ignore pains

[dapper venture]

I’d argue overcapping ignore pain like that is worse than overcapping rage no? I mean if u refresh IP with 100% overcap as shown, you just straight up lose that rage and spent it on nothing, or am i tripping

[strong forum]

no

its absolutely not worse

you shouldnt really care about capping ignore pain

[vernal vale]

It's this most likely if you look at my casts.

[strong forum]

you want your rage to work to reduce cooldowns, indom healing, and generate more outbursts

overcapping rage is infinitely worse

[toxic pewter]

I think those ignore pain “casts” are related to revenging

[dapper venture]

Didnt think about that, you’re totally correct

[strong forum]

@vernal vale idk what seems to be the issue

[median tulip]

Ignore Pain is a button that gives you 3.5s off Avatar and Shield Wall, 3.5% of your health, and just so happens to give you a damage absorb as a handy side effect.

[strong forum]

youre having less EHRP than the raid

[vernal vale]

Always just throwing ignore pain if I'm at 60+ rage to keep from overlapping.

[strong forum]

60-80

ye

[dapper venture]

YEP! Agree, my mistake

[ebon lantern]

Is there a list of things we can spell reflect in dungeons?

[icy bane]

Pins

[vernal vale]

That's why I brought it here. I am swapping to bolster to help with my block windows since it seems I'm dropping some.

[urban portal]

you need to spell reflect a lot more

1 CPM

[strong forum]

in your best pull, you required less healing than half of the raid, and you blocked 95% of all hits

[urban portal]

hes getting booty blasted by web blasts the moment shield block goes down

[strong forum]

if anything you should look into your healers

theyre dying more frequently early into the fight

your guilds least alive player is your BM hunter

dude is on average dead for 50% of each fight

[vernal vale]

Web blast isn't affected by spell reflect apparently its purely physical. Just checked the sense spread sheet.

[urban portal]

yes

[strong forum]

yes its pure phys

[urban portal]

you are not blocking web blast

is what im saying

and each unmitiagted web blast is about half of your hp

its not about "ranged"

you just dont have shield block active

[lusty tiger]

Or not facing web blasts?

If that’s even possible

[vernal vale]

Yeah, I know I've got misses in there. As Nom said too we are taking to many stacks.

[urban portal]

i filtered to exclude shield blocks

[strong forum]

in all of your P2 fights youre just ticking out to healers dying early

[urban portal]

idk if ill play bolster tho

i would just play HR over ITF

[strong forum]

you dont get alot of value out of nails

so you can safely play bolster to get punish

[urban portal]

yea thats true

[vernal vale]

Nails isn't much damage overall so bolster is easy gap fill

[urban portal]

you have to take one of those

anyways tho

nothing wrong with sitting in dstance in prog

get comfortable with the damage

and then play battle

[strong forum]

and like i said, on most of your p2 pulls you did absolutely fine

[jagged pier]

thats what im saying tho like they are going to giga high stacks of web blast where he drops stacks, but his healers arent actually healing because he doesnt need it its a catch 22 like droping on high stacks isnt good, but not needed healing for most of the time and not getting any as warrior will also kill u

[vernal vale]

I mean mistakes happen for everyone I know that.

[strong forum]

yeah you should swap on 4 stacks iirc

not on 6

youre unnecessarily increasing dmg intake

by tanking for too long

[vernal vale]

Yeah thier past tanks being monk and dk I think the healers expect self sufficient tanks.

[cerulean tusk]

BDK is da way

[timber terrace]

I just played bolster and hr on the spider progress it's overkill but it's a cheesy boss and you won't have to care about dropping shield block ever

[jagged pier]

thats literally pointless

your tanking the boss half the time

[vernal vale]

I'll make sure we change up our stack count this week as that should be huge.

[timber terrace]

Also rather than swapping on stacks you should try to swap around the stairs because that's the only time you're vulnerable

[strong forum]

eh, the stairs are pretty free, you can still face and attack the boss just fine

[timber terrace]

You're more at risk of dying getting bolted twice in the stairs with a few stacks than taking 7-8 down when nothing is happening

[strong forum]

no point increasing debuff stacks just because of that

imo

[modest gulch]

Trying to find a good filter to detect refresh from casting ignore pain vs revenge, but I suspect you're right.

[strong forum]

revenge doesnt refresh ignore pain

even with tierset

it only applies it, but doesnt refresh

[jagged pier]

yer thats also dumb if u taunt like normal u literally start the stairs with 0 stacks and the only stairs u cant run with the boss is the first set

like just play properly

and u take no damage

and the boss dies

[modest gulch]

This is what I thought also I'm just trying to confirm with an actual filter to show that.

[timber terrace]

I mean no offence but if he's progressing sennhart now and asking for help you can't expect flawless play, ofc the boss isn't hard to live since all he does is melee pmuch

[strong forum]

ye and we gave the solution

[jagged pier]

i didnt say flawless play

i said properly

i.e

not going to high stacks

ppl complain all the time tanking in raid is boring because its taunt at x stacks

he aint taunting at x stacks

🤷

[cerulean tusk]

Toxic

[strong forum]

is it?

[cerulean tusk]

Probably is

[strong forum]

thats just a simple statement being made imo, nothing toxic about it

solution is taunt at 4 stacks, that will lower dmg intake alot compared to 6

the issue of their healers dying early is not something he can fix

but this thing should be the first step

[vernal vale]

Yeah, heroic damage at those stacks was menial so we just kept the same stack count which was definitely a mistake.

[strong forum]

heroic you can go up to 11 and still be fineish

but mythic you just swap as soon as your stacks drop

[timber terrace]

i don't see how going to 6 stacks can be an issue on a prot warrior tbh especially when you can just wall every minute or close

[strong forum]

and youre gucci

[tropic tangle]

I mean, he's also missing blocks

[strong forum]

its unnecessary

why take more dmg than you have to

doesnt make sense

[timber terrace]

you don't take any damage at those stacks tho

[jagged pier]

well he died

so yes u can

[strong forum]

that doesnt make my statement any less true

[jagged pier]

and also that

[plush tendon]

I dont think me and my off tank every really looked at stacks; we just taunt swapped at various points that we knew sort of aligned with the timings we wanted: like I take boss first, he taunts after big spider dead, then I take back once we take lockgate upstairs and then he taunts when his stacks drop

[cerulean tusk]

Aight

[plush tendon]

I did always use SW when I was at the top of the stairs though (and tanking boss); just seemed like a good time to use it and its up for each set

[vernal vale]

@strong forum @jagged pier thanks for taking a look for me it's appreciated.

[timber terrace]

tbf if your gate is placed properly you can legit gate and leap and be up the stairs in 1 second or something

[plush tendon]

that is what I do

spend 0 time on the stairs

Sennarth is a fight you just want to get to the top with like 18 people alive at least and just end it up there (assuming your guild is consistently bringing it below roughly 35% with no issues)

just survive until then

Or you get gamers crying cause they falling off edges, spinning in circles on ice, or stacking with frozen blast thingy for half your raid night

[vernal vale]

Yeah, had several people spinning on our pulls apparently.

[plush tendon]

never happened to me; but I believe it has to do with strafing or something

its a known bug with the ice

[vernal vale]

Has to do with mouse movement/keyboard movement or something. I've never had the issue.

[plush tendon]

Unfortunately, people who first started having the issue.... are gonna be the only ones who know that it can happen

[sick sentinel]

i need to get that boe 402 helmet from the raid

i think looks too good

[lusty tiger]

U look like a covenant power ranger

[daring marlin]

DK wannabe

yuck

[sick sentinel]

dk is alright, my only other character above lvl 60 is 62 dk

he's the ice fairy monster, thats what im going for with transmog, killer winter rock fairy thing

[plush tendon]

its off Eggnog; EZ get

[rough egret]

Imho, skull of ruin and slayer of the lifeless fits that mog better 🙂 try it

[daring marlin]

[plush tendon]

Im slowly getting the Mythic set (though I have to catalyze bracers and belt.... and I have to get git in PVP to get the red set)

[sick sentinel]

then its skulls, and then im a dk

trying to steer clear of dk teritory this time

[plush tendon]

I dont really like the Heroic color palette

The normal palette looks good though

[rough egret]

I used similar mog

[toxic pewter]

wat

[sick sentinel]

i don't mind it so much, im used to tons of white blinding shit all over everything

thats from out side apartmnet

[toxic pewter]

what is the white stuff

[sick sentinel]

tons of snow

[toxic pewter]

what is 'outside'

what zone is that

[plush tendon]

its a Cata zone

[sick sentinel]

its how you get rested XP when your awake

[plush tendon]

not really worth going

experience is shit

[rough egret]

@sick sentinel

When I was blueish

Now Im gray 😄

[sick sentinel]

a warrior who thinks he's a dk..... hah

[rough egret]

They should add high resolution of that shiled

[modest gulch]

dk's mad af we rock their look better

[sick sentinel]

no more keystones today

[daring marlin]

never surrender yogi

[hidden ether]

you guys ready for both glorious valor farming and one of the shittiest keys weeks known to man tomorrow?

[jagged pier]

no because i dont need valor

or keys

[urban bane]

tyran bolstering volcanic shittiest week?

[sterile bough]

BIIG PUSH WEEK

[sick sentinel]

tanks and healers after 2 weeks of uncapped valor https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1073742953413087252/toofat.png

[rough egret]

Volcanic is pretty free

Bolstering would be harder on fort week, but its gonna be Tyranical so its okaish I guess

[sick sentinel]

its a very good indicator of bad players volcanic, or well, mentally afk players

[daring marlin]

You're wildin'

Ez week

[sick sentinel]

what is next week, volcanic and somethin

[stuck sequoia]

bolstering

[sick sentinel]

bolstering not scary fite me

[stuck sequoia]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dungeons/dragonflight-season-1-mythic-plus#affix-rotation

[daring marlin]

bolstering ez now

[jagged pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G-spy2vtqg

[sick sentinel]

take a break rrichard??? i've been playing this game for FIVE MINUTES and look where we're at

[blazing condor]

my co-tank during EP would dodge raid then msg people in the guild and ask if they wanted to play overwatch lol

didn't go too well because he whispered the RL

[modern brook]

emerald exotic elaborate palace that had razor shell sucked ass

good for him

[blazing condor]

[flat jackal]

does the wolf trash thing still work in halls?

the one where yous tand on the pillar

[lofty widget]

yes

[turbid shuttle]

There's something funky about it. I've had it work or not work for reasons unknown to me. If anyone knows the trick I'm all ears.

[woven trellis]

so i did the unsync on herja and the healer told us that we took <too much dmg< from the storm

is that possible? it looked fine to me

[sick sentinel]

doesnt hunter/druid also have beast CC, i've heard you can do that pack 5 pull on fort if u have one or both of those and not morons in group

[mortal brook]

Bro i am not taking hibernate or scare beast

If you insist on pulling wolves for whatever reason, just have the ranged bait not eat shit

[plush tendon]

you just need range to stand on post and wolves do jack all

I pulled all of them in my last HoV; free %

[turbid shuttle]

I have had times where ranged stand on post and they still got charged

I have also had times where they did not.

[blazing condor]

it cant be race dependent right

like if the wolves jump differently depending on character height

[plush tendon]

thats happened once to me; sort of concluded that it may have something to do with the hill and if they get enough elavation

just walk the pups the long way

still, out of the 10 pulls of wolves I've done, 1 misfire seems like a fluke

[turbid shuttle]

What do you mean by 'the long way'?

[plush tendon]

like, theres that hill next to the post

dont let em get on the hill

thats was the one thing that was different between all of my other wolf pulls and the one where they leaped

they got on the hill

Again, not really actual factual science, just my observations

[turbid shuttle]

Hmm ok..

[plush tendon]

yea

its awesome

[turbid shuttle]

Gonna try a bunch in 16s this week because tyrannical. See if I can nail it down. Worst case everyone dies and I kill.it because only 16

[plush tendon]

nearly 2 chested a 21

just being able to pull really big and avoid more Valajar mobs in the Hall

which are super scary compared to the bulls, wolves, and bears

[cinder storm]

You are right, it happened to me and we concluded the same thing

After practicing hyrja desync for 2 hours ( I found out she resets if her hitbox touches the wall ) my conclusion is, not worth doing, you have to position her where one foot is out of the brown thing at the same time she comes to get the holy buff then move her in a 0.3-0.2 window while leaping straight

Works about 7/10 times, sometimes she will cast storm right away after swapping and very very randomly a frontal

But if one manages to do it that fight becomes very doable and easy to heal at higher levels

Although if one fails and she gets empowered by both, by taking her to holy buff again the desync works, just that her dot will hurt a lot first phase

[plush tendon]

yea, risk reward has been determined by my group to be not worth

[plush tendon]

how many wolves do you think you can pull at once?

[blazing condor]

just live it

[plush tendon]

there are like 13 wolves in that area total... if you dont need to worry bout leap, you think a 13 wolf pull doable?

[tepid raptor]

what dungs do you run spell block on?

+20

[plush tendon]

RLP and Temple

[late surge]

what do you use it for in rlp

[plush tendon]

trash in the first area and first boss

[turbid shuttle]

Tjs, rlp. Maybe NO fortified. Maybe HoV tyran for hyrja when key gets over 20.

[plush tendon]

naw, you dont need Spellblock in HoV

even on a 20

[turbid shuttle]

Over

[plush tendon]

even over

[cinder storm]

9

[plush tendon]

you just rotate SW, Demo, Last Stand, dip into D Stance, Spell Reflect

[ionic fern]

Don't need, but it's a nice QoL.

[turbid shuttle]

yes I am aware of the other buttons lol

[cinder storm]

As for my route I don't really need more, all bears, 3 yaks, maybe one random stag if it gets pulled, and invis to boss

[turbid shuttle]

Nevertheless, you can run out after a few swaps. If she's living a long time (high tyran) you can run out of stuff and die

[plush tendon]

Ill have to check my %: I think we did 13 last time cause we skipped bulls

no long armed melee and one healer playing boomy for some fun times

[turbid shuttle]

NEED is strong word. But it helps if you're struggling with living on hyrja. Ymmv

[azure depot]

hello guys, there is any reason why a warrior protection does not run 4-set?

[cinder storm]

Because they don't have it? Or one tier is very low ilvl

[plush tendon]

at this point, there is no reason to not run 4 set

with the creation catalyst

unless they waiting for good pieces to convert

or just capped and still gearing

[turbid shuttle]

They started playing late, refuse to raid, and only have 3x catalyst? Dunno.

[lament dragon]

Looking for a 20+ key warcraft log

debating playing warrior and wanted to look at it in detail before commiting

good point

wait i thought rankings only show raid

[plush tendon]

stop thinking and start zug zugging

warrior da best

and has been since 2004

[lament dragon]

i've been playing bdk pugging and got to 2100 but i'm hitting a wall maybe myself maybe just the roll of the dice pugs

and kinda burnt out now

[jagged pier]

dont bother rerolling us

bdk about to get buffs

so it will be ahead of warrior

brew and paladin now also better

[modern brook]

fuckin FINALLY

im so tired of hearing about peoples bricked keys and how its all the pugs fault

cannot wait for that shit to be dks prob again

[lament dragon]

FOTM?

oh

[jagged pier]

hmmm

who was saying months and month ago paladin was slept on

and once pppl got gear

they would realise it was op

oh yer me

[lament dragon]

paladin was actually the other i was looking at

im older and i dont think i can handle the APM required for bdk tho anymore

[jagged pier]

eh?

thats low compared to warrior

KEKW

[lament dragon]

spent 2 hrs on training dummies trying to memorize keybind changes and still having issues

[graceful cobalt]

wich professions are best Combi for Tank Warriors?

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

[plush tendon]

yea, my little rat paladin is pretty fun to play

good tank balance all around though

so pretty happy

[lament dragon]

so 260 ignore pains

what is squeak!?

[jagged pier]

please dont give out shit

to ppl with a leaf

they wont understand its a joke

[blazing condor]

Leaf bullying

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-mega-bonk-bonk-dog-bonkers-bonk-anime-gif-24565990

[lament dragon]

funny

so like looking at warrior and comparing it you have alot more APM

[plush tendon]

but give warrior a try!

[lament dragon]

but alot less APM dedicated to staying alive

[plush tendon]

I also play DK, but Warrior is big fun

and so is DK

and Paladin

but not the leather tanks

cause they smell

[lament dragon]

only leather tank i've enjoyed was bear

kidna felt like old warrior

[plush tendon]

Bear is big poopoo

its worst warrior

[lament dragon]

last time i played it was legion tho

[plush tendon]

no recomend furry warrior when you can have plate wearing zug zug warrior

[lament dragon]

i dont like any of the dk dps specs tho never have

[icy bane]

But brew

[plush tendon]

This is the only tier list you gonna need

[lament dragon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HAb2drpxzVGaYRjZ#fight=13&type=casts&source=5 so like theres my dk APM 434 in a 16 JT death strikes

i feel like if i spent less time having to do stay alive stuff i could probably improve

@astral atlas how did you calculate that so easily?

[plush tendon]

Brew too many buttons

I get confused

[jagged pier]

complaining about 45 CPM being to high

warriors like 20 higher

during lust and cds its above 100

[plush tendon]

69 average casts per minute

is da best

[lament dragon]

idk if id say overal apm i meant more on defensive side old man brain panic ds and stuff

poor ds timing has alot to do with i think my issue atm

im sitting at 59 APM atm on DK

59.8

so basically with exception of few off cd an ability every cd but i feel like i get splatted so easily if i fumble 1 DS

[main spoke]

Bdk seems ok at max bit leveling it sucks

[plush tendon]

its a bit of a different way to look at damage but the simplistic version of it is warrior mitigate before the hit

[strong forum]

thats pretty slow, bdk with full gear is very fast cuz they get like 4 different %haste multipliers

[plush tendon]

and the Blood mitagates more after the hit (though dont ignore IBF and AMS)

[lament dragon]

or waste it at 80% health when i could of used it at 20% instead and dont have a rune

definetly feel like i get punished pretty hard anymore

[plush tendon]

youll probably find Warrior more forgiving

[lament dragon]

ya i've been using IBF LB DRW on every CD or close to

[plush tendon]

my understanding of current blood is that.... you can screw yourself pretty hard with a misplay here and there cause then 10 second down the line you looking at floorpov

[lament dragon]

thats exactly true

[plush tendon]

because of something you did 10 seconds ago

[main spoke]

Animations are wack too

[plush tendon]

Warrior is more like keep SB up, spend rage, press things on CD

[lament dragon]

nothing like going into a pack with 2 seconds left on boneshield and before you get close enough to refresh boneshield with a marrow it drops and you get instagibbed

[plush tendon]

use defensive CDs before big damage intake

and Reflect when possible

[main spoke]

Does prot pally differ hard or is it more like warrior

[plush tendon]

and youll have instant feedback on whether or not you screwed

[lament dragon]

also alot of healers complain to me in pm about rubber band hp so i was thinking something more inline with warrior or a stable hp bar would be better maybe for me

[plush tendon]

My opinion is that Prot Paladin at a base level is pretty simple, but it has a higher skill ceiling

then Warrior

[lament dragon]

i did main prot paladin in mop when eternal flame was op

[plush tendon]

but it plays similar to like a mix between War and DK

[lament dragon]

and would solo heroic garrosh

wait...

warrior has a charge that doesnt require a target

[main spoke]

Seems like friendly targeting will take up the potential skill gap

[lament dragon]

dafuq how did i not know this

[plush tendon]

you might enjoy something with a smoother damage intake; blood requires balls of steel sometimes

health at 10%, totally fine, I got runic power

[lofty widget]

pvp talent

[plush tendon]

meanwhile healer is shitting bricks

[lament dragon]

ya i mained blood basically every expansion till i quit at end of mop and just returning at end of sl for dragon flight picked back up blood but it just doesnt feel the same

mastery is still the same but it just feels alot more stressful now

[main spoke]

I'm starting to like unholy more but questing still slo

No bigpull

[plush tendon]

that's a lot of it; also, no 100% block uptime kind of poop and reliant on HP generation to keep SoTR up which also is the same resource you use for Word so you can get starved and lose mitagation if you mismanage

whereas warrior is 'I got rage, SB up... now im overcapping.... guess Ill IP while Revenging'

[lament dragon]

seems like a case where on mouse wheel you have revenge on MWD

and you have a macro for IP/Revenge on MWU

and just scroll depending on situation

[plush tendon]

dont macro IP and Revenge

[main spoke]

I like demoralizing and challenging on mousewheels

Taunt on middle

[lament dragon]

i mean if your overcapping might as well use it before you lose it right (im no warrior) just asking 😛

[plush tendon]

IP is off the GCD

you can just press it whenever

[lament dragon]

ya so if its IP then revenge wouldnt it be 1 click and activates both?

[main spoke]

Yeah I've had difficulty deciding between sone builds for balancing those two

[plush tendon]

but you may not want to use both; cause you dont want to miss a SS or Thunderclap

Revenge is like last prio

[cinder storm]

You'd be rage starved in situations where you shouldn't be if you macro it

[plush tendon]

thats pretty much where the skill gap comes into play, plus all their group util, standing in consecrate, limited mobility

but Sentinal is awesome; been playing around with it

[lament dragon]

man comparing warrior logs and dk log

[plush tendon]

fun button

[main spoke]

I really like the class

[plush tendon]

I have been enjoying Paladin; my little rat paladin is doing 21s now

[main spoke]

Loghtforged draenei mean I got a smite too

[plush tendon]

and hes so cute

im still poop at it though; lots to get better at

[lament dragon]

warrior looks like id enjoy it alot

[main spoke]

Superior

Just built different

[lament dragon]

guess the sayings true cant beat a shield tank

can you spell reflect JT water gun boss?

[plush tendon]

you can spell reflect the bolts

[lament dragon]

i AMS that all the time

[plush tendon]

not the hydrobeam

[lament dragon]

can you heroic leap over it?

[plush tendon]

not over

but you can leap to the side

[crystal mauve]

Shouldn't be a problem for melee classes tho, you can just run while doing your things.

[plush tendon]

One thing to keep in mind between BDK and Warrior, there are three bosses that DK does super well on.... that Warrior struggles with; check out the pins

[lament dragon]

3rd boss in TJS even bdk has slight issue with lol

that punch she does is brutal

even with IBF if i dont have a DS loaded and ready after i've died crawth tho is suprising that warrior strugles on

[plush tendon]

the peck is not a huge deal

but bleeds man.... bleeds are poop

[lament dragon]

also...RLP is cancer

same for AV

[daring marlin]

She does like zero damage outside of the buster tho

Just don't zugzug your runic ez

[lament dragon]

agreed

i have a bad habbit of spending runic for DPS

so is thunderclap generally the most commonly pressed button then overal?

[main spoke]

Shield slam muy importante

[desert ether]

Hey all, gearing a prot warrior for my guild just got Welpling do i want to train it for Dmg or another way?

[lament dragon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/32#class=Warrior&spec=Protection&leaderboards=1 how do i get the logs for these people?

nvm some are "leader board" filtered ot log only

well i think that answeres most of my questions only other thing i had looking at some of these logs is stance dancing still a thing?

[uneven mason]

Do you want to train it for damage?

[desert ether]

thats what im wondering is it better to train it for damage or the hast buffs?

[uneven mason]

Haste or crit provides defensive value on top of damage but the nuke is nice

Idk if they fixed the strange delay for the stat procs

[desert ether]

ok thanks, for the input! ill probably just do the haste/crit then 😄

[uneven mason]

Maybe nom knows

[jagged pier]

ST damage

is the best thing to train

[plush tendon]

I hate Ruby Whelp Shell

[jagged pier]

then dont use it

its very mid

[icy bane]

If I were you, I wouldn’t even bother with it and try and get a whetstone + hoof if you are m+ only

[plush tendon]

^

[uneven mason]

Whelp is bis (for adorable)

[sweet summit]

whelp omelette 🤤

[craggy pilot]

how many spark phases is normal in P1 Rasz?

[rugged mural]

Struggling hard with the first hall in TJS on for weeks around 19/20. Specifically the last pack before boss if a DPS dies, pack lasts too long and we run out of stops. Any tips?

[mighty valley]

what difficulty

[craggy pilot]

Heroic

we are getting 2 spark phases, and we hard die on the 2nd spark phase in P1

not sure if its DPS not pushing the intermission fast enough? 🤔

[rugged mural]

You want to push to intermission before second sparks.

[craggy pilot]

bedtime?

[rugged mural]

Autocorrect…

[mighty valley]

yeah, ideally you beat that

if everyone's alive and you're still not pushing before 2nd sparks, p2 is gonna be really rough

[uneven mason]

Sounds like someone needs to have a talk with any DPS that are below 50k

[forest tulip]

aye, finally timed a +15

and it wasnt SMBG or COS

[pallid quiver]

You should be able to pretty much solo control all of the inportant casts (Tidal Burst) entirely on your own, with your Pummel free to catch errant Water bolts, SR for any that end up on you, and just sinply blasting them. If a DPS dies, they were really asking for it

[craggy pilot]

thats like 7 of our 12 dps 🤔

[onyx moss]

Any useful tips for tanking

[forest tulip]

dont die

[pallid quiver]

Get aggro

[craggy pilot]

does something specific happen if we get 2 spark phases in P1? 🤔 seems like 2nd one is doing WAY more dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gkqdyDB4thJajQ6r/#fight=last

[pallid quiver]

Really, you need something more specific to get any decent advice

[crystal mauve]

Play the game, learn as much as possible what you spells are doing, what mobs are doing, and what strategy to use to solve your problems (numbers like dps/healing) will come later

[jagged pier]

[craggy pilot]

we get 2nd spark when boss is at like 70% hp

she phases at 65% right?

and this is even with lust on P1

our P2 is gonna be tough with 1-2 deaths...

[pallid quiver]

To be fair, at this point, a timed 15 COS is also an achievement if pugging due to the large majority of people around that level refusing to stop pulling half the dungeon every step, but that is a step up. Aim for 20s before season end to make us proud

[craggy pilot]

what was your avg ilvl in your worst kill?

across dps only?

if thats comparable

oh cant even see avg ilvl

[fathom pine]

Guys in Kurog mythic , is it ok if tanks get a second boss frontal and so is the the offtack with the add? Cause it seems kinda hectic to move and switch as the add is a bit far so we can avoid the add's ring

[craggy pilot]

avg 409 ilvl 😮

jesus christ

[jagged pier]

no u dont do that

because then the other tank needs to take another frontal

etc etc

its really not hard to position stuff on that fight

[mighty valley]

also: people need to stop dying

dying is a pretty bad dps reduction

the 2nd set of sparks is probably doing more damage just because your group has already blown all their CDs and personals

[leaden imp]

are we to upgrade weapon or shield first to 418, if using crafted gear?

[mighty valley]

shield

biggest defensive upgrade by far

[uneven mason]

Brm doing 20k

Auto attack?

[forest tulip]

ill try!

[leaden imp]

well not dealing with that big ilvl yet, but i guess it is relevant from 408->418?

[pallid quiver]

[crystal mauve]

I just realise you are wiping at 2:30 so all of you DPS had two bursting phase, it's crazy

[craggy pilot]

if youre clicking that link, it might be a diff fight

since its on fight=last

and were pulling live

[crystal mauve]

I'm looking at wipe 19

[craggy pilot]

he is messing his rotation

[mighty valley]

no one is looking hot here tbh

[balmy lichen]

How does people dodge "Rending bite" in diuarna?

[craggy pilot]

the log you mean?

check this one
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gkqdyDB4thJajQ6r/#fight=27&type=damage-done

that was probably our best one so far

if we sat bottom 4-5, would that tip it you think?

[uneven mason]

No

Well maybe

[craggy pilot]

or is it just a wait 1-2 weeks for ilvl angle?

[uneven mason]

Ilvl won't fix that

[craggy pilot]

yes

we have offered 100 times in the guild

but no one takes the bait

we are a casual social HC guild

[craggy pilot]

it can make up for slackers though

[uneven mason]

Ilvl is a force magnifier if someone is playing at 10% of their potential and gain 10% stats that's still only 1% gain

[forest tulip]

is 1667 M+ score too low to try and get into 16+ and 17+s?

[uneven mason]

Not really, this issue is 100% execution, not to sound crass, but y'all need to find buttons

[craggy pilot]

most of our raid only log on for raid, and dont do M+ outside

so they get HC loot + HC vault

thats it

[uneven mason]

The sheer amount of dead GCD and wasted resources

Yeah no a gear problem

[craggy pilot]

im the enha shaman btw

trying out a new spec in raid, while my Warr is 415 ilvl feels so weird 😄

i have 421 arms wep on my prot warr

[pallid quiver]

It all depends on the whims of the key holder

I'd run my own key, personally, at those levels

[crystal mauve]

Run you key so you have some control over what is happening and people don't complain if it fails for some reason

[craggy pilot]

ye i sim like 80k on 2min

and yet i do 65k on our wipes

but ye our ranged are struggling hard with all the movement

yep grey parse with Neltharax bow 🙂

or idk which BM your talking about

ah ye ok

[sick sentinel]

im probably gunna go after that DK helmet

shit looks so good in my eyes, the 402 with my mog

[mighty valley]

this would probably be sufficient if you weren't still having multiple p1 deaths

[round pendant]

How do I actually get a Fierce illimited diamond level 3? is it expensive to recraft or ezpz?

[uneven mason]

Drop anyone who dies 2 pulls in a row

[sullen flame]

We jump off if anyone dies P1. It's just not worth it for a guild still progressing.

[mighty valley]

the diamond is the only expensive part

more consistent to message trade chat and work out a recrafting deal with someone

[round pendant]

Do you need the diamond for every recraft?

[sullen flame]

I don't think you can recraft gems like you do gear. Just start over from scratch.

[mighty valley]

it's easy to check this stuff at the crafting orders station thing

[round pendant]

Oh right, that makes sense

Just realised I'm in the prot channel too mb

[tepid raptor]

yall get ur routes from somewhere special?

im tired of dratnos

[lament dragon]

does anyone in here maintain the wowanalyzer prot warrior?

was looking at top warriors and their performance in it with wow analyzer and didnt seem to mwatch up

[sullen flame]

Doesn't it give you a gigantic warning that it's out of date when you try to look at a prot war?

[tepid raptor]

You pull whole first room in AA with explosives?

as usual? Feels insane

[lament dragon]

ya it does

thats why i was asking

[round pendant]

fuck it lmao I'm just gonna use a haste/crit gem

[jagged pier]

no, no one keeps it upto date

[ancient monolith]

hey guys if using the ruby whelp shell trinket, each buff should we focus on training? haste buff or aoe dmg? for m+ scenarios

[jagged pier]

st damage

[pulsar iron]

New to warrior, should I always tank in def stance or you can use battle stance in some cases ?

[round pendant]

bstance 99% of the time

[balmy canyon]

Battle stance for most situations unless you need more DR. If you're learning I'd say avoid d stance as much as possible, it'll make you feel more tanky than you are and teach bad habits.

[lusty tiger]

d stance when u think "im gonna die if this thing hits me for full damage"

[undone verge]

Basically b stance unless I feel like I’m bout to die

[pallid quiver]

Ideas of the sort of thing to use D Stance for are things like Crawth peck, Hyrja shield beam, etc

[sick sentinel]

you dont HAVE to use d-stance on hyrja shield of light, on fortified weeks

up to a 20 maybe, im doing 15's and i got by just now just with IP and high hp when it went off

[round pendant]

ok did they fix the worg cheese in HoV?

they leapt from across the fucking room

[sick sentinel]

they should if they didnt

but, knowing blizzard, they didnt

cuz once they dungeon is in the game, and its old content, blizzard forgets it ever exists from that poiint towards end of its expansion

[tacit solstice]

They've made tons of changes to old dungeons in m+

[fresh dragon]

hello. best item to craft with sparks? 🙂

Unstable Frostfire Belt ?

[late surge]

@fresh dragon lariat neck, unstable belt, wep, shield

[fresh dragon]

ye but i can have only 2 embelli

so wep and shield normal with no emb?

[late surge]

ye

[fresh dragon]

thx ❤️

[pulsar iron]

Perfect thanks all !

[round pendant]

so

ragnarok started

I pressed shield

last tick blew everyone up?

nope

[left beacon]

how is the whetstone for prot warrior?

[round pendant]

I pressed it like on .1 second on the timer

[slow estuary]

any prot here that killed or is on mythid broodkeeper?

[astral crystal]

we're on broodkeeper rn

[slow estuary]

what trinekets are you running atticus?

[jagged pier]

Whetstone boon for brood

[left beacon]

I guess for m+ just got 1 was pretty happy about it, seems like its great

[jagged pier]

But im add tank

[astral crystal]

i was running incarnate/all-totem

[slow estuary]

yeah im MT

[astral crystal]

for adds

pretty m uch just m+

[jagged pier]

Whetstone greif or icon then

[left beacon]

Nice, i got lucky, first time i've seen that sucker drop in like 30+ courts

[jagged pier]

Run boon more value than all totem because it still does stuff on ST

[undone verge]

stuck in dathea hell

[jagged pier]

Yes u are

[undone verge]

next week we def got it, totally, 100%, no chance not, absolutely

im still confused why we didnt do kurog first tbh

[jagged pier]

Same

[undone verge]

yes absolutely

[jagged pier]

100%

Swap

[undone verge]

the reason was 'dathea is a mechanics check, kurog is a dps check' but kurog was nerfed by like 10% or something before we even killed senarth and we are like 10% ahead on dps compared to our other team on dathea, who killed kurog prenerf

[jagged pier]

It was easier before the nerfs

[undone verge]

mythic dathea is easy if you're consistent

[jagged pier]

Lots of checks and dps checks on dathea

[slow estuary]

are the wowhead ST talents considered legitimate? its rolling into the fray instead of heavy rep

[jagged pier]

I wouldnt follow wowhead talents

[slow estuary]

am i missing smth?

[jagged pier]

Follow the pins

And in raid generally yes ITF is better on ST

But brood is different u can ither take HR or keeep ITF and drop tough as nails for bokster

[undone verge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pwd1c6WvqXAzaMGV#boss=2635&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=deaths

we had a big issue at the start with people refreshing the debuff from mark

[frank dust]

ok so how often should we cast ignore pain

because im watching nerf bbarely use it and i feel like im just trolling by pressing it whenever i can

[jagged pier]

U press it to avoid overcapping rage

So u press it alot

[frank dust]

am i trolling

[jagged pier]

No

[frank dust]

because sometimes i feel like i have low rage

[jagged pier]

Then thats a play and or talwnt mistake

No

Well maybe that

But the big one

Is they are all running BT

Well still on wowhead still all the top guys use it a lot

[strong forum]

i dont like boon for adds

[frank dust]

im not running t

[strong forum]

cuz they die so quickly

cant really get good value out of it

[jagged pier]

On mythic they dont

[strong forum]

ic

yes

[jagged pier]

Yer u can ping him

[frank dust]

this is what i use for talents

[strong forum]

solid

[jagged pier]

Seems fine so probably a play issue

[strong forum]

if you wanna go for more dmg you can change Thunderlord to Battering Ram

[jagged pier]

But cant tell without logs

[frank dust]

ill start logging keys

[strong forum]

but that build will literally allow you to do any level of keys

[frank dust]

or just in general

shield block is perma up, but i like spam into ip and use revenge to keep up vanguards

or whatever its called

iom playing w 2 piece btw

[round pendant]

This is so sad 😢

[frank dust]

idk if that makes a difference or not

[tacit solstice]

Have you tried pushing your key Yam? I levled a warrior 2 weeks ago and have done all 20s on a 380 warrior

[round pendant]

man, I just press shit and get 95 parses

[round pendant]

I could push my own key but when it bricks I just lose motivation lmao

so I join other keys to push 1 at a time

Somehow my groups fail on bosses on fortified more than tyrannical

[tacit solstice]

Oh really. I pushed my own key up from a 2. I much prefer chosing the people

But yes it sucks when it bricks

[round pendant]

My raid parses are ok

Pretty good for ilvl I suppose

[solar willow]

I'm deeply offended.

[deep spruce]

Pretty sure m+ parses on wclogs is nothing to do with dmg

[sick sentinel]

https://wago.io/vgmtrjiGJ if you cant see the route here can you let me know and i will find a way to post the route

this is how im currently running fort HOV, at least for this week and seems like good for fort in general

and im curious how you'd change it,, yes the pack of 3 in dead centre of dinner hall, u can lure 2 of them away early, without getting the caster

i think purfiier is supposed to be on 7/8 but he can be pulled whenever really

[daring marlin]

SBG is such a garbage dungeon.

[deep spruce]

I'm interested to know how that is even possible, when I run m+ in a permanent, and none of us log, and when I click on it, it says there is no associated log?

[bold olive]

Here's my HOV route
!vwvxVTTnu0Fo9jBi(T4RRDzBDdUDJgdyVqizlQunRiMjt1M9I(TxEjfTPugcWseSdjV3Z9CphQB0i9rTQUPXo8NMXRD2b9bAbMQvNT92Xpx3BCoZVm0AdXn5SVh2VB4r9pSjMMx8PQDALZ8I)ZF10u)h2jNrRA6AB7op17(x9buPw9nJ5I(atRM6A0Q)IEL)Zx(juV631QVw3pzGsDEAC0m4(8uFV(G42A10PEZxn(9qA1Z(dV6d(ak7Jd4WJ)piaFGhcum4Hdpo48yOPODqmPTCl9Lw12smTTzjCm7q4iPbae21xM75FhU4ELHYicebvSPaKfm2Wh5YwmyHyzbpconhCumjejVXeRiQe6IBfHeINLxKfCzRWfNdiBfRBpbSoXkAouIiuXIfvmONFT4c6hGICtVd8l5CUanogHuCdYeuhqlIp61gAUe7Tjh4chxvCqtqKvWTXeLzz4n7qtJyRJj1BlBYw1HKvcpp3kXjkLw4U3ClyrZnGvjZYtoxuRrrrfjY7lmkPHrHcVweLrre)2VceKQTx(XVw4t642743dnEbefTAushd6kEnVPRwX(p4x6YnsEtkF73(Hxdfb44Bms(kshVIJl3eKyJiecsUjOYnTpOujYtxUJ7c)MgR9HPHhn2HWmuomb18emI9KwD10Bo7G5YX8dVzp216(uB7vJlm(JTyV(tEQPdkE7OX8fBFZhTDdMgaNtMhN66bq9OC78fX0E6V9fjGf4sQby4EtSIpusKYsmhlkysjtI1T7OHU4HDmEbRGWrmoUSGqkxokAWupiWq(J2Ph)I5QBU6zRTFUY2ox1e739Zv)4loZ4qTFFx9WL5Q3)H5Q6HM5Q3DPZ5P77MR6UoxnA(NPUrtZ(5pQVnGnrXBZaJ3OUx6224R5EBFxj0O9XeuueFVeYrTJWy7doIIiP7zqY(nP09WBCk3IiStiPcMW)dIZfLmPVvzu9TXX)VOIiNkerO(bQqL(QgOsjf4xIkLROcVGkPuCrjbrLfeeqLLRESmQ8aVKs9MwW3kiYImJJxGX(gPWJbVuusUBCzu(3(KAUAxYyc)Zw)cVvA8F9nRFR6ZxUUh4gCHjEdu)9p

CC a thundercaller on first pull. I do take spell block. I don't take double wall.

If you have a rogue you can do 1 additional pull and skip the last set of sentinels before minibosses.

[deep spruce]

Ah right I see what u mean

I only have a few there, which makes sense

[sick sentinel]

i went to run another 15 hov just now, entire group got flatened by hyrja add balls

the add before the fight but its the same siht

right after first boss i don't give a shit any more if its left or right i have to go, i just look where patrol is and pull based on that

[lilac jay]

Is there are situation where honed reflexes is useful? Normally not because revenge can resett SS?

[late surge]

i mean thats great stat, isnt it?

[frank dust]

do you get new world quests everyday if you complete them

if that makes any sense

[round pendant]

Cool I joined a +17 AA and no one even knows the strats on tree boi

[warm plinth]

No it's a wasted point

[round pendant]

Literally zero dps on the add and germinate overlaps the circle

[sick sentinel]

i like that it gives me improved CD on kick, 13 seconds instead of 15 (stacked with concussive blows), i figure i will just try to get a few more kicks in if possible and maybe that will help save the keys

[inner rock]

Does this mean searching a character and looking at the main page toggled to season 1 is worthless for filtering pug applicants? What should I do instead? (This would explain a lot)

[late surge]

why wouldnt it be worth much. assuming you're not doing too low of a key or too high of a key. the one that has a lot of parses shouls be somewhat accurate. e.g. any +20 key parse

[warm plinth]

All you're looking at is points in that scenario. Which is both logged and unlogged runs

[lilac jay]

yeah I think in nok u can kick one cast last ms all the time

[warm plinth]

Two points spent for a 2 sec reduction on kick is dumb

[sick sentinel]

i want to give this talent a fair shake before i dismiss it

[warm plinth]

And as soon as you aren't kicking on CD then they're completely wasted.

[sick sentinel]

and just see if its something i enjoy and is at least a bit impactful, if it turns out no, oh well

bro, once valor uncaps, and ilvl goes up across the board the dps will be expecting bigger pulls

[late surge]

@astral atlas arent they only compares to last two weeks tho? same as regular raid logs?

[sick sentinel]

give it 2 weeks and this will happen "wtf u are all (insert ilvl), why u only pull 2 packs? noooooobbs"

[warm plinth]

Yeah

M+ logs would probably be a lot more useful if they separated them by affix as well, and if more people logged them

Still wouldn't be that great but would be better at least

[late surge]

i mean if they only made it that its last two or three weeks that would fix most of the issue i think

coz realistically speaking, ilvl doesnt really inflate much in 2-3 resets and if you'd be to log reasonable high but not too high key you'd still get quite a lot of parses

[sick sentinel]

i swear spriest is better than heal priest this week

[frank dust]

is prot warrior looking good for next patch

[sick sentinel]

like for keys if you were doing mythic +, seemed like they did better, than healer counter parts, compared to other class healer counter parts

[warm plinth]

Nothing is changing for us in the next patch

[frank dust]

so still strong

but will bdk and prot pally be better

[sick sentinel]

yes, but other ~~classes ~~ tanks are getting stronk as well

[frank dust]

ig all i want to know is should level another tank ebcause rn i only have warrior and guardian

[sick sentinel]

bdk is on par,

[daring marlin]

BDK blasts

[sick sentinel]

bdk isnt really better but they do about the same, each has weakness time it get caught with pants down at gun point

[warm plinth]

We can't see the future so 🤷

[frank dust]

ok so between brew, bdk, ppally, and vdh what should i pick

[warm plinth]

whatever you want. VDH and bear are what I'd consider to be the bottom of the pile but it's a pretty narrow pile

[sick sentinel]

choose the one that has the most progression or gear and if your bored, play the spec you love

[daring marlin]

Pally

Divine Toll in a big pack is love

https://tenor.com/view/oof-meme-gif-25793745

[frank dust]

is pally hard

[daring marlin]

Nope.

Only annoying thing is wog on gcd

[tacit solstice]

Level them all and play what u enjoy. All tanks viable

[daring marlin]

Then again, if you wanna mix/max it could be one of the more difficult. With focus macros for kicks and utility stuff.

[frank dust]

i just want to play a tnak that wont fall over instantly like bear

yea thats whaht ive noticed LMAO

i played boomy until like last week and now i have to swap tank for raid

which im actually dwon for

[warm plinth]

What level keys are you doing 🤔

[frank dust]

on my bear?

[warm plinth]

yeah

[frank dust]

or prot war

20's

im bby far not geared for guardian tho

in raid its fine but in keys i get shit stomped

[warm plinth]

Sounds like a gameplay issue to me considering bears have done 24-26 keys idk

[frank dust]

they are also main tank bear with actually good stats and understanding of the class

[daring marlin]

Dorki doesn't even wanna play his bear

[warm plinth]

Isn't it a bit unfair to judge the entire spec based on your ability to play it?

[frank dust]

yes

indeed

but is it worth to put time and effort into learning a sub optimal spec that is just worse than other specs

[warm plinth]

Probably not, unless you really enjoy it. I was mostly responding to the "I just want to play a tank that won't fall over instantly like bear"

[daring marlin]

If you're having fun? Yes. If you're not having fun? Absolutely not.

[frank dust]

ahh

yes im aware that im trolling saying that statement but i feel like it has a lot of problems in terms of sustained survivability

that being said im a donut so idk

wait really

on first 3 mythic it doesnt feel bad

that eing said there are times where im like hholy shit ass balls but

ig i just have a pattern down for when damage happens on those fights

[dark lark]

Can I safely block while using Grieftorch?

[warm plinth]

no

[dark lark]

Hrm, sounds dangerous

🙂

[round pendant]

my text is orange now

[modest grove]

Gz

[round pendant]

I wonder how many ilvls a socket is worth? 🤔

[thick wedge]

ive just been using half a tier as a base since bfa

[slim dove]

precisely X

where X = sim yourself.

[thick wedge]

so like 6 or 7 ilvls 🤷‍♂️

[slim dove]

aint no shot a socket is worth 6 ilvls.

[thick wedge]

its nice tho

[daring marlin]

[thick wedge]

dont forget to factor in the "yeah my ilvl is up but now i have to take tokens from the next 8 vaults" feeling you get to skip when you have a socket

[warm plinth]

🤔

Idk about you but I'm not taking tokens over an actual upgrade, so idk what you mean.

[thick wedge]

yeah but what if you dont have upgrades

[warm plinth]

Then I'd take sockets anyway

[slim dove]

you can sit on sockets

[thick wedge]

either because youre unlucky

[slim dove]

??

[warm plinth]

Whether I have a socket on something or not has no bearing on my vault

[slim dove]

the logic here is lacking.

[thick wedge]

imagine you have ocd

then it will make sense

[slim dove]

nope

[thick wedge]

open character sheet, realize you dont have sockets on something, try to get them today, realize they only come from vault, rinse repeat

[slim dove]

i cant imagine having a mental illness

🤷

[round pendant]

like.. the socket gave me multiple upgrades worth of haste on my CoS ring

so 415 + socket seems real nice

[slim dove]

on rings its different because stam is a lmao stat and you can literally see if the socket is enough secondaries to make up the ilvl diff

on armor pieces, you need to sim yourself.

[thick wedge]

bruh you can only have 6 sockets, 2x ring + neck is half of them

theyre not a fringe case

but you should always sim regardless

[slim dove]

bruh what

[warm plinth]

6 sockets? 🤔

[slim dove]

what is there to bruh about

[thick wedge]

bruh

[slim dove]

[sick sentinel]

yogi vault

[warm plinth]

Helm, neckx3, bracers, belt, ring x2 = 6? XD

[thick wedge]

im stuck in shadowlands, 6 items* can have sockets

same same but different

[round pendant]

I like stam :(

number go up = dopamine

[strong forum]

Depends on which slot

Helmet, 3 if any

[sick sentinel]

number went up?

oh shit

POG

[hardy snow]

c'mon Yogi, you can do this last 15!

[round pendant]

I guess I should have specified rings

[strong forum]

Belt 6ish? , ring around 10-12

[round pendant]

since yeah now I realise it's more complicated with armour and strength and whatnot

[sick sentinel]

some of the group comps im seeing at 15s, seems like good variety of tanks being represented

[prisma crane]

at that point you should really just be pushing 16s instead imo

marginally more difficult for more useful rewards

[daring marlin]

418!

[round pendant]

I'd say 16s aren't even much harder than 14

[prisma crane]

21% harder, but yea

[round pendant]

I've only felt things getting ouchy as a tank at like 17

then I just adapted my play and now it's easy again

[slim dove]

at a certain point pugging your just at the mercy of your pugs

[prisma crane]

yea just one step at a time, but really just that 16s for the crafted items to 418 as Guilford said

[slim dove]

youll be fine, whether or not your pugs feel like not standing in fire is another.

[daring marlin]

That stuff boosts your ilvl to the moon

[round pendant]

I tried a +17 AA earlier, absolute shitshow, bad dps, people don't know strats still

found a +16 group, smashed it out ezpz smoothest run of my life

[daring marlin]

AA is funny. haha swirly warm

[round pendant]

Had a DK doing work tho

Dude was really good

[daring marlin]

Warrior and Rogue asleep at the wheel

They let Jesus take over for sure

[round pendant]

rogue was 397, warrior 408, DK 413

Idk how that rogue got in the group tbh

[daring marlin]

yellow class

[round pendant]

But my point just is, I feel like the DPS players being bad or not is 90% of what makes a dungeon go well or bad

+16 with good dps players feels like a +10

[slim dove]

thats basically it.

[daring marlin]

They do comprise a plurality of the group.

[slim dove]

ive had smoother 22s then my 20s

cuz shit dps dont do 22s

they just do their 8 20s for the week and log off

[round pendant]

I need to figure out how to choose people for my own keys

[daring marlin]

Check their rio and recent runs

[slim dove]

stack meta tanky dps

[daring marlin]

tbh

[round pendant]

I'll start a group, pick 3 people who I think seem good from their numbers, sometimes even check their raid parses

and it still goes to shit

[slim dove]

and check raider io

also avoid hunters lul

[daring marlin]

I don't check raid stuff

Hunters eat so much shit

[slim dove]

raider io to check m+ stuff

not raid

[daring marlin]

They got the shaft hard this expac with their defensives tbh

[round pendant]

Well, I check their rio, then I check their raid to kinda see if they can push numbers

[daring marlin]

MFs can't even feign Fenryr leap anymore

Fuck is that shit

[round pendant]

I see a rogue doing 20 parses on heroic and I'm like nah mate

[daring marlin]

They could just be phoning it in during raid pugs

But idk

Pugging can be a crapshoot in general

[round pendant]

I wiped our group on HoV earlier because for some reason the worg cheese didn't work

I was the failure for once

[daring marlin]

Sorta happened to me when helping buddies on my dk but the priest jumped on the rock and caused it

[round pendant]

I didn't get to see what happened exactly

I was gathering the worgs and they just jumped across the continent

[prisma crane]

probably had hots on you

[round pendant]

But it's embarrassing when shit like that happens

[prisma crane]

tbh the only way that one is the tanks fault is if you go before people are ready

[round pendant]

well I definitely did that

maybe someone else screwed it up then

[prisma crane]

well now you know, sucks it happened but mistakes are the best way to learn

[frank dust]

what pull in algethar this week

do you still do whole first tree room or

[round pendant]

It's a shitshow on explosive to do that imo

[frank dust]

good cuz i dont want to pull the whhole room

[round pendant]

So with the worg cheese, do people have to not attack/do anything to gain threat while I pull the worgs over and closer to the party?

Cause I guess the hunter could have shot a worg and just griefed us and it's not even my fault

[round pendant]

You can do skitters + 1 pack, then as the skitters get low, pull more skitters or another pack

I just chain pull that entire room as things start dying

[daring marlin]

You could probably do it in two pulls to be safe.

[round pendant]

You also don't need to kill the second pack of skitters at all

but I don't trust my teammates so I grab em

[frank dust]

yea i dont trust the pad

[rugged mural]

Heroic Raz. I've been DPS but swapping in for tank. When do you use Shield Wall in P1/2? Big AoE events or the Jaws?

[round pendant]

honestly you can facetank that shit with IP

and demo/avatar

[rugged mural]

Thought so. So no real need to plan out Wall?

[frank dust]

do you take spell block in academy

[warm plinth]

No it's basically pointless

[frank dust]

whend do you take spell block in keys

[warm plinth]

AV, RLP, TJS. Basically dungeons that either have an important enough mechanic that I want it or dungeons that have high magic damage in general.

[round pendant]

Save it for if you're kinda low or if your ava/demo are on cooldown and not active I guess

Idk how much jaws does raw without any defensives tbh since I usually have something up

idek if it can even kill you

only times I've died on raz is when I got jaw's 2x in a row cause I stole aggro

[fossil shoal]

How does Spell Block work? I tried using it in TJS to block the void slashes because I know Spell Reflect works but it didn't seem to work

[round pendant]

Well, you need shield block up too

[warm plinth]

Did you press shield block?

[fossil shoal]

i think so but maybe not

okay, i wasn't sure if i understood the wording correctly

[slim dove]

yeah it just enables you to block spells

still need to use shield block to maintain 100% block chance

[sick sentinel]

there

i did a SBG, not a fan of bursting

[round pendant]

Aight

now go do a +16 SBG.

Trust me it's easy

Just be careful of the void slash

[frank dust]

how d oyou log

cuz i need someone to tell me im not the issue

[thick wedge]

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