protection

[mighty valley]

this is a lost cause, gang

[granite radish]

Talents I guess ? Bad in general or mostly for diurna ?

[round pendant]

I'm confused

[mighty valley]

if the logs are right his talents are pretty bad

[round pendant]

I also block 60-70% somehow (even tho I swear I'm fucking pressing shield block all the time)

but I just don't die

Can I find out what's causing "absorbed" in my damage taken?

[strong forum]

IP

[amber siren]

Oh I see, they changed off ITF halfway through

[round pendant]

Damn I did so bad on Dathea wtf

[strong forum]

check hits

not dmg

[round pendant]

oh shit yeah

64.75/35.25

still bad

mitigated 79.88%

miss 21.43%

[round pendant]

ugh warcraftlogs somehow went back to broodkeeper and my dathea is even worse

58.26/41.74

[strong forum]

yeah thats pretty bad

[mighty valley]

ugh, how did kurog hit me once

[round pendant]

I'm so confused because I literally spam shield block

[mighty valley]

you don't have the sb buff somewhere visible on your screen?

[round pendant]

I do

[mighty valley]

the only other option is you're turning your back when you have to move

[cloud umbra]

make a weak aura that makes a noise when you get melee'd without SB active 😄

[round pendant]

What's the radius on being hit in the back anyway?

[undone verge]

you run itf or heavy rep?

[round pendant]

HR

[mighty valley]

pretty small, it's just like a 90 degree wedge or something

[undone verge]

has to be hits from behind then

[round pendant]

so strafing away is fine?

[mighty valley]

yes

[round pendant]

I don't know then

[mighty valley]

this is the one time in history that it might be worth checking shield block buff uptime

you can also share the log and we can help diagnose

[round pendant]

Am I making a mistake in only using shield block when I'm the target?

I'm 63% uptime on shield block

[undone verge]

33 CPM is pretty damn low

[round pendant]

but I make sure to press it when I'm actually taking aggro

[undone verge]

SB buffs SS dmg so I keep it up all the time

[round pendant]

I keep forgetting about that

[mighty valley]

100% shield block is trivial with HR so there's no reason not to just no brain it

[amber siren]

If you're running HR you might as well

[undone verge]

e ven with itf I still have like 88%

[round pendant]

I kinda had shit blocked hits on all the bosses just pick your poison

I do fat damage and 0 defense apparently

I don't die (most of the time) so I guess I just need some content that forces me to keep my shield block up

[mighty valley]

first off you are running ITF at least on some fights it looks like so you need to think about it a little more than us zero-brain HR enjoyers

but that's fine if you do it

but yeah, simple explanation is there's just gaps in uptime when you're taking hits

[round pendant]

oh yeah I use ITF in raid, I'm actually dumb

I mostly do dungeons so I just automatically said HR

[mighty valley]

that's legal, you just have to turn on your brain 5% more

[strong forum]

No in raid its advised to play ITF

[amber siren]

^ with taunts swaps and high ITF uptime it's the better choice

[round pendant]

Saying I'm dumb because I said I used HR when I in fact did not

[mighty valley]

yeah the context was the previous warrior who was running HR and still taking like 40% unblocked hits

[strong forum]

Oh.

That's

[slim dove]

[sick sentinel]

when we were about to start final boss of AV 14, healer said something along lines of tank you know what to do, and i said, im gunna take it along the walls, and healer said ???? but as i was using the book teleport down hunter was engaged with boss

so, i pulled boss and we timed by minute 30 or so, and then healer or someone immediately kicked me out after, im having trouble processing what happened

[inner rock]

in things everyone knows news, even just a +19 TJS last pack blows

[slim dove]

healer watched tank leap onto wall to tank boss in a +25 vod, expects you to do the same

[round pendant]

tbh my blocked hits in dungeons sucks too

I just checked

[sick sentinel]

on idea lmao

[slim dove]

dw about it

its +14 on fort week. last boss is free if your iq is above room temp

[round pendant]

failed a +16 nokhud last night cause the last boss

absolute shit show

[inner rock]

NO last boss really tests peoples abilities to interrupt more than once during a fight, which puggers apparently can't do

[true patrol]

How do i proberly kite hyrja in high keys? We died in storm +17 because i kited her to slow? I just stand in one side and let her come to me.

[cinder storm]

You don't kite her lol

She makes you swap with the frontal you just have to be ready with CDs and she will push you to the other side assuming you have your back facing properly

[true patrol]

Yeah i do that

and the longer it takes for her to move from side to side the more damage she does with her ability?

[chilly brook]

Just

Let her smack you

And you’re on the other side and she follows

[frank dust]

so in keys, keep SB up at all times, keep 2/4 piece up often, ignore pain when max rage, and rotate cooldowns

[cinder storm]

Not much you can do when she dots someone out of sanctify

[cinder storm]

That's the basic, except you IP to avoid capping

[chilly brook]

I mean I would attempt to keep it up but I wouldn’t really think about it much

Revenge is casted pretty often

[undone verge]

what does armor spikes even do

[lofty widget]

some thorns effect i think

[undone verge]

is it good?

[lofty widget]

about as good as any other embellishment afaik

you need to be hit for it to work tho so worse in raid

[undone verge]

like good enough that I wouldnt use flavor pocket or the mastery thing or the potion absorbtion inhibiter

[lofty widget]

flavor pocket doesnt count as embel

can have that + 2 others

[undone verge]

nice

[frank dust]

also why is it that a lot of tanks arent going vers

thhey go mastery haste crit

i mean prot warriors

[twin comet]

Haste crit is more damage

Not sure why you would do mastery over vers or crit though

[frank dust]

top 5 rio prot warriors have high mastery crit and haste

at most they have like 13% vers

and 20+ on everything else

[heavy temple]

13% vers is more rating that 25% crit

[lusty tiger]

I like mast vers on my warrior

[cinder storm]

https://wago.io/zRsmS1aTc I was logging in to see if I could create a wa for the hyrja swap, guess weakauras follow rule 34 rules

[true plover]

I have a 415 Haste/vers shield and 411 crit/vers wrists w/ a socket. Which slot should I recraft first as a 418?

[cinder storm]

shield

[lusty tiger]

I wouldn’t mind some hyrja rule34

[cinder storm]

[frank dust]

mommy hyrja

[timber forge]

returning to game recently.. dont know yet best time to call for lust in dungeons, have any website focused in m+ with tips like that? thanks

[rough pike]

I assume we prio sheild block over ignore pain

unless its magic dmg?

[amber siren]

shield block is your mitigation, IP is your rage dump

[rough pike]

yeah ty 🙂

[grizzled kite]

How would we be the most affective on heroic Dathea when we go up on the platform? To bunch up the mobs

[cinder storm]

one dk on each platform

[slim dove]

Disrupting shout.

Aim for biggest clump, leap, shout, drag over to remainder.

[grizzled kite]

Brooo...

3 weeks of prog on this shit

I'm not gonna say anything to the guild

[slim dove]

3 weeks on heroic dath? Bruv

[grizzled kite]

Yeah casual guild

But they funny as fuck or this wouldn't last

[slim dove]

the mental fortitude involved

jesus christ

[sick sentinel]

funny how some time something minor but repetitive and annoying can get in your head and screw with mind

[twin comet]

I made the lariat, ring, and the companionship wrists on a fresh 70. Would it be worth making a shield or weapon? All I do is m+

[sick sentinel]

throw your entire game plan off

[grizzled kite]

If you enjoy the people, it makes it worth it. Thank you though, really appreciate it and you probably saved this tier!

[cinder storm]

I went with very casual people on a saturday only raid and we got dathea down pretty fast in one night

[mighty valley]

casual is a huge spectrum

i'm also in the once a week chill heroic situation and we got dathea night one

[cinder storm]

casual as in, they know what buttons to press, but they struggle on anything over an 18

[mighty valley]

but we have enough sickos to make up for the people who only recently started etc

if you're one of the best players it's usually smart to sacrifice a little personal dps to bring as much control as possible

so yeah, aoe interrupt for dathea is huge

might be worth taking shockwave if others aren't doing many aoe stops

[deep spruce]

I need help - on @shut summit raz kill video - he has 2x charges of Heroic Leap

How the fuck

am i so noob i dont know how to get that

[toxic pewter]

Evoker using their ability to refresh cooldown of it

[pallid quiver]

^^

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=374968/time-spiral

[deep spruce]

Ahhhhhhhhhh

[pallid quiver]

It takes a non-zero amount of effort to grab in the tree, so don't just assume every Evoker has it baseline

It's easy enough to get, but it's not a usual default since you, like, don't need two uses of your mobility than often

[jovial mesa]

One question for sennarth mythic last phase
is there any way to cheese getting webbed by that spider?

[deep spruce]

BoP

[jovial mesa]

TYTY that's some good insight ❤️

[deep spruce]

jus make sure u have cancelaura for immediately after

or it wont end well

[jagged pier]

Just have the other tank take everyone

[wind hare]

Defensively is our shield the best thing to upgrade first?

[round pendant]

ok ok I'm getting better

still not great

[cinder storm]

always the first thing to obtain at highest ilvl when possible

[wind hare]

Ty. I'll likely be asking a few questions over the next weeks. Mained BDK and trying warrior

[frank dust]

is it worth doing super rares for gear or would keys be better

if ur trying to focus on one piece for example

[torpid junco]

Keys for sure. Ilvl too low on super rates

Rares

[frank dust]

ah ok

time to dungeon spam court

[fiery badge]

What’s the best tank for carrying PUGs?

[cloud umbra]

i always thought pally was, infinite interrupts

[frank dust]

am i suppose to help with explosives

[grizzled kite]

If it's in melee range then why not

[warm plinth]

If one is about to go off and you can reach it without fucking your positioning, sure

Ranged ones are pretty easy to just heroic throw

[full wind]

Do people do the big pull in HOV with tyrannical + explosives (this week)?

My last 21 to do but not sure if thats something I should attempt with randoms

Or just split the pack in two

and still lust?

[mighty valley]

since the nerfs, I don’t think you need to take any risks in pugs to make time

[pine lotus]

Bdk Bc of grip and the self sustain imo. Pally is close 2nd

[inner rock]

Got boon out of the heroic chest, I can just shield wall and last stand and use it on cd right ;P. Are their plenty of safe spots to use it, or is it pretty tricky?

[round pendant]

It's risky and will get you killed, use it when you know you have 10 seconds of safety

[mortal brook]

Plenty of value to get from it

[fervent smelt]

Can I have a good m+ build ?

[round pendant]

before like +14 tho you can prob just shield wall and survive 95% of things anyway

[full wind]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html

[inner rock]

eh, I'm ekking out the last 200 for the 2500io reward, so really oly doing +18s and up

[mighty valley]

Check pins

[fervent smelt]

Oh sorry I wwas looking at the date and didn't catch on that it was updated

[round pendant]

You can still block and shit during boon since it's not a channel, just a root. So just do it on packs/etc where you know you're not gonna have to move or die

it's fat deeps but I feel like since you can only use it in very specific downtimes it's not actually that good

[rough pike]

Any advice for the 2nd boss in RLP?

She slaps so hard after the info

[round pendant]

step 1. be a dwarf

the bleed hurts like hell tho

I just spam defensives

[celest dove]

u can ask evoker for dispell too if he is ur healer. it is 1 min cd

[torn gust]

how much is too much vers for m+?

[violet smelt]

3 vers rating more than what is considered too little.

It's a really tight window of just right

[hidden ether]

whats your guys NOK Route like?

going for a 19 hoping to time, need one more 20 this week for 2 vault spots

[warm plinth]

There are no stat goals for prot warrior

Focus ilevel>haste and the rest is whatever. You can sim for damage.

[torn gust]

gotcha

[violet smelt]

Lust first pull big pat in dragon area, clear the 3 packs and the 2nd pat. Clear the mandatory packs for 2nd windy boss area, use 3rd boss zone to get to 94% use skip to get to last boss zone, kill 2 big guys then last boss

2nd lust on windy boi boss and 3rd lust on last boss add phase

[hidden ether]

So hold the lust after windy till last boss?

you go for a 2 chest or a 1?

[dark lark]

Depends on where you are on timer and sated debuff

[violet smelt]

I mean you can also use it in 3rd zone but it's explosive so you don't wanna play too risky with pugs double pack pulling in there

[dark lark]

On fortified weeks, waterfall pack in the 2nd area is a good pack to lust

[violet smelt]

^this works too.

[hidden ether]

hmm that boss is still a bitch even with fortified lol

[violet smelt]

I just don't trust pug healers for windy boi

[hidden ether]

lol

[dark lark]

On fort weeks my group just lusts on cooldown, and we'll usually save the final one for 4th boss intermission

[dark lark]

Yeah definitely depends on your healer

If they're confident they don't need lust for raging tempest boss, then I'd lust trash

[hidden ether]

Group comp standard meta 2 melee 1 ranged?

[dark lark]

Nah

You can definitely make all melee groups work. All ranged is harder because kicks have longer cds

But still doable

[violet smelt]

Elemental area is spicy as fuck without kicks/stops so comp around that. 2 melee 1 ranged is fine, 3 melee is fine, anything else is sketchy

Again basing this on pugging

[hidden ether]

Yeah probably lugging

I have 3 20 keys done and need one more

[lament gulch]

Is there any easy way prot can help with orbs other than heroic throw and using a shield slam proc on them?

[cinder storm]

yeah, by autoing

[pallid quiver]

If you're at a point where you're Revenging and TC'ing away, your autos are pretty free to slap explosives in melee, so

that doesn't even take a GCD, either

[hidden ether]

I hate having to change targets when I feel like I’m responsible for 75% of the Kicks

[fervent smelt]

I reached 70, got a few gear off the ah to reach 340, do first herioc, haven't played protection for a year. I take litteraly no damage, the last two bosses wihtout a healer.
Protection warrior is cheated. My main should stay guardian, my main should ...

[thick rivet]

why does my spell reflect sometimes not reflect the void slash even though I press it on time?

I press it mid cast sometimes

[inner rock]

i don't think void slash is reflectable

[last nova]

not ever spell can be reflected but will act as a spell block instead and spell damage reduction applies

[pallid quiver]

That would be because Void Slash is not reflectable

[thick rivet]

🥲

how about the shadow slash in COS

[pallid quiver]

The succubus one? That can be reflected

[inner rock]

you can walk out of the slash, its like mortal hew

[thick rivet]

yea ik

[inner rock]

(the void slash)

[thick rivet]

i usually spell reflect spell block spell reflect into kite

[last nova]

anyone here moonlight as arms dps?

[thick rivet]

does it one shot through the 20% dr in higher keys?

I might have to wall + reflect -> block into kite?

[cloud umbra]

they are stunnable too

[thick rivet]

yea ik

[cloud umbra]

and will reset their timers

[inner rock]

its just the one pack around the corner after spiders thats been scary in the ~18-20s i've done

[thick rivet]

do they perma sycn up after shockwave?

[last nova]

hi, what is the filler button when er ting on CD, if it ain't slam? for arms dps if anyone here could answer?

[thick rivet]

bro #arms is like 2 channels above

[last nova]

i asked same question

[thick rivet]

lol

[last nova]

everybody sleeping or doing keys or something

i know a few prot warriors with crit haste that has arms OS like me

[misty silo]

Question about ignore pain and warcraft logs. When you proc ignore pain from 4 set, does that count as a cast on the logs? or is it only when you press ignore pain.?

[dapper thistle]

I would doubt it counts like a cast since it would "cast" each time you damaged a mob during the 4s window

[misty silo]

That makes sense.. im did not even think about that. ty wise one

Just trying to look at warriors in higher keys and what they are doing vs mine and what i can change/improve.

[dapper thistle]

IMO the top thing is dungeon knowledge. AkA: what can you reflect, what can you backpedal, what patrols go where, what packs hurt the most that might need defensives, what talents such as spell block or ae silence make parts easy

[warm plinth]

IP casts is not really a useful thing to track beyond like...holy shit this guy is wasting a lot of rage, and then you realize he's just not pressing IP

[sick sentinel]

crude paint drawing, but i think the patrol is something like this for this add pack AV, this ring closest to boss 2 room

ideally l want to get green first if it patrols to end?

[harsh light]

Shoot! Come in here to ask about AV and seen a AV map lol, so ive been able to time most dungeons on 21 thingk i only have NO and Temple left other than azure.... ive done azure 20-22 like 30 times is it seriously that hard of a key or what route can i take that gives some leeway room

I usually do all whelps except for the 4pack one, skip 2nd platform, clear 2nd boss room then jump do 3rd and 4th and come back for one big frog pull

[thick rivet]

how much dmg should I be doing relative to dps in rlp?

[round pendant]

Depends on key level, ilvls, etc

[thick rivet]

assume same ilvl, 22

realistically I'm 10 ilvls below them

[round pendant]

in +22 they should be doing way more than you

[thick rivet]

yea im awware

but how much

im doing 55k

is that good? bad? idk

[round pendant]

55k isn't bad I'd say

dps should do like 80k+ overall

[thick rivet]

idk 80k seems like such a low wbar though

esp for 22

when I timed it on my monk my group dps were all ~100k

and idk how to hit 70k on warrior

or somewhere close to that

[round pendant]

yeah actually 80k is low

idk man I'm so used to people doing shit dps I'd be happy with 80k on all 3 dps

[thick rivet]

I guess I can play a little more aggro when i get 4p on warrior

bonus ip will feel nice

[round pendant]

In my pugs it's always like

1 guy doing good damage while the other 2 do less than me

I bang out like 90+ percentile damage in all my dungeons and the dps are doing like.. 30-60

[thick rivet]

are dungeon parses even worth looking at tho

feels weird to look at that since it's so dependent on group comp and pulls

aoe classes will shine if other 2 dps are st oriented

[round pendant]

It's not a great metric

[warm plinth]

Dungeon logs are worth looking at. Dungeon parses are not.

You can still use them to research whether you're using shit properly or whether someone missed a kick or why someone died

[round pendant]

I wonder if there's a way they could make dungeon parses meaningful

[warm plinth]

Just make them separated by key level entirely and remove unlogged keys from the points system

[round pendant]

yeah the leaderboard ones are useless

But these ones for example, I think they only include logged keys?

🤔

tho 31.7k is quite a lot for something most people don't care about so maybe not

[tacit solstice]

No way 32k seems super low

Idk how that's a 97 seems stuffed

Ah that makes sense ta

[round pendant]

It wasn't 32k in details

[warm plinth]

what dungeon is that

[round pendant]

HoV

all of these numbers are like 1.5-2x higher in details

[tacit solstice]

F spell reflect on things like nookhold

[round pendant]

Do they have any plans to improve em?

Like the other guy said, remove the leaderboard "parses"

Where is that

[warm plinth]

That doesn't affect the points listings though

That was my point

[warm plinth]

This looks like it might be combining all +14 keys. HoV +14 only has like 3,107 parses for prot warrior.

So it's just +14s in general, not +14 HoVs

[round pendant]

Huh.

So it's even more useless!

That's weird tho

On this page it says 3.3k parses

with the toggle to show key % instead of.. whatever that other number is that's always locked at weird numbers

[warm plinth]

I was talking about the image he posted before.

Which is key %

There are only 3107 logs for prot warrior for 14 HoV

[round pendant]

Yeah I think the number in brackets is like, all +14s but the parse is only for those ~3k-ish

[warm plinth]

There's currently 31,901 total listings for HoV +14 for pwar

But that's not just logs; that's leaderboard included

[round pendant]

That's what they could improve: make all of this a lot less confusing lmao

so is my 99 parse something to be moderately happy about or not

hehehe

I don't really care about it, 14 is ez af it's just to help my friends get rating

can't wait for them to get rating so I can do some higher key pushing

[warm plinth]

I'm not going back two weeks? This is literally all the logs for that level and key

The last one was for December 13th

The season started on December 12th

I'm literally looking at the same thing you are

[round pendant]

Poor dunglebard

ok counterpoint:

So what is it, 3107, 3201 or 3330?

[warm plinth]

I'm not really sure what your point is. We're using the information that we have.

It's not my doing that it's inconsistent.

It doesn't matter regardless. Parses are still pointless.

for keys

Yes, I read what you said. All 3 times

How else would you like me to determine the number of logs

There is no way there are 10x as many parses as are shown on the rankings. Especially when that number is closer to the total number of listings.

[round pendant]

fucking hell this is annoying

[warm plinth]

You have no evidence that that number is showing what you're saying it is though.

It just says "14 key prot warrior", not "14 hov key prot warrior"

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-i-dont-really-feel-like-it-sleeping-sleep-no-thanks-gif-5384362

[sick sentinel]

failed this one just now just 13 seconds

completely blind on this log atm

[warm plinth]

I already asked in their discord; I'm waiting on an answer.

[sick sentinel]

god damnit, low shield block every time

[vestal moat]

What do we craft to proc the eranog ring?

[deep spruce]

Frostfire belt

[frank dust]

what should i upgrade to 405? ring, belt, main hand, lariat

[warm plinth]

weapon

[slim dove]

weapon > lariat > ring > belt

[frank dust]

alrighty ty

[left beacon]

what potions do we use in m+ usually?

[warm plinth]

shocking disclosure or ultimate power

[left beacon]

ty

[frank dust]

do we use sophic devotion or the haste one

on weapon

[warm plinth]

Sophic

[frank dust]

fucking hell its expensive

is bonemaw's big toe a good trinket

[warm plinth]

Yeah sadly sophic mats are shit

Like you have to have 4 of some orb whose only source is farming a mob and it's super rare drop rate

[frank dust]

thats so shit

ig im going cheapest enchant

i hate being poor

[warm plinth]

are you eu?

[lucid dew]

Is the stat budget higher on icon when dps tank and heals all have it or does it split the stat budget across diff stats

[warm plinth]

You always get your stat and then you have a chance to proc other infusion's stats. They get their stat, and have a chance to proc your infusion's stat.

The numbers on the tooltips are what you get

[lucid dew]

Does the proc rate go up if there are multiple people wearing ?

Or are we fine with just healer and tank having

[warm plinth]

You just need 1 of each infusion, but you still want everyone else wearing it ideally so they can also proc stats

[lucid dew]

Oh so proc rate will be higher if 1 dps 1 heal and 1 tank

[warm plinth]

I don't think it's technically higher; you just have one more source of the proc

I'm not sure what the proc rate is, if there even is one. Wowhead only has a 1.5s ICD listed

[reef holly]

Temple and ruby pools have been hell guys

Top dps 45k overall in both

Wtf

[frank dust]

im not eu im NA

[warm plinth]

oh, what is it now? Like 16k?

[frank dust]

roughly yea

i believe at least

[warm plinth]

Do you have alts? 🤔

[frank dust]

i have 3 actually

[warm plinth]

Is that just 70s? Or alts period?

[frank dust]

just 70's

i have a few that are leveling from 60-70 and like 3 60's

[warm plinth]

If you have any 60+ toons you don't really play, park them at the community feast

And do the weekly quest on all of them

You can do like 5-7 toons per feast pretty easily if they're all camped there

[frank dust]

damn

hhow much does the feast and weekly give you

can lvl 62's pick up the feast quest or no

[warm plinth]

Uh, not sure. Not much? But you have a chance to get the alchemical flavor pockets

Which are selling for like 92k right now on NA

[frank dust]

oh true

[warm plinth]

I do 28 toons a week, got 4 of them this week

[frank dust]

hholy

shit

ok

i like taht idea actually

[warm plinth]

And yeah you don't even have to do the dragonflight intro if they haven't yet

[frank dust]

my god

[warm plinth]

Just take the valdrakken portal

and fly there after you learn your dragonriding shit

As long as they're 60+ they can get the quest

[frank dust]

i have 9 toons

i have more actually

[warm plinth]

You can also do dragonriding races for a decent amount if you have spare time. The bags they give as the WQ reward are like 500-550g each

[frank dust]

oonly annoying this is to finish the weekly quest you have to do dragonsane keep on all characters

[warm plinth]

No you

You're not doing the weekly quest

you're doing the weekly feast quest

There's a quest specifically to do 5 tasks at the feast that becomes available in the 15 mins before the feast begins

That's the quest I'm referring to

[frank dust]

ahh ok ok

i thought u meant both

[round pendant]

I don't have trouble surviving, someone convince me why 411->418 shield is better than 402->418 weapon

[frank dust]

@warm plinth how much do u make a week doing this

[chilly brook]

Because shield is your literal most impactful item

Only way to get block stat

[cinder storm]

Do highers keys or don't sit on dstance

[chilly brook]

^

[round pendant]

I don't sit on dstance

[chilly brook]

Less damage taken

More rage spent on offense

[round pendant]

Block is a good point

How much block do I get from a 418 shield? wowhead doesn't say

[chilly ibex]

hi i know this is a dumb question am i supposed to swap to battle stance when im not tanking? like after a swap?

[round pendant]

You should be in battle stance 99.99% of the time anyway

[frank dust]

wait really

[chilly ibex]

wait what?

[frank dust]

ur suppose to eb in attle stance 99% of the time

[chilly ibex]

when do you use defensive stance then?

just for busters?

or never?

[tropic tangle]

extra help for busters, can swap in if a pack is clapping you and you need the extra DR

[warm plinth]

Depends on luck. I got 2 one week, none last week, 4 this week

[chilly ibex]

well thank you guys for the clarification

[frank dust]

oh damn ok

[warm plinth]

But considering I can farm for like 2 hours a day and only make like 15k

[round pendant]

Is there even a buster that would require defensive stance to survive

[cinder storm]

Searing blows, peck, tree tank buster, hyrja

[round pendant]

tru it's good for the bleeds

[frank dust]

is it bad to play in defensive stance until you get a hang of the spec

[cinder storm]

No, but if you only play dstance it will take you longer to understand what hurts

[round pendant]

Just play in battle stance

it's only 15% less damage

[warm plinth]

You should play in the stance you're going to be in 95% of the time.

[cinder storm]

You might also get bored if you feel the class as "too tanky"

[round pendant]

I might do dstance for the last pack on TJS tbh

that shit is scary

[unreal sage]

With Good cd rotation on +20 you can tank it in bstance even if you are ta king them all

Im playing this dungeon with spell block

That helps a lot

Idk what is happening higher

[round pendant]

on fortified?

idk, I usually do the ol' shockwave after 3-4s, spell reflect, shield wall, spell block, shield wall, run the fuck away

[agile stag]

Does people stay in b stance on bigger pulls on forti also? Pulls like triplet on Hov on 22+ seems the healers struggle to keep me alive even in def stance. With shield block 100% up and rotating double wall etc

[chilly ibex]

im just happy i learned this now

[cloud umbra]

ya only time i go in defensive in HOV is the beam for a second. In 23s

Rest of the damage is mostly avoidable. In that first pull, you can hold your S key and take no damage because you'll be ranging the power kicks

[cinder storm]

The only issue on that first pull are people not clearing thundering

[round pendant]

ok.. somehow the final pack on TJS was the least fucked up thing in this +17 TJS

:huh

[cloud umbra]

i finally got the darkclaw to sync up

was so good

[round pendant]

sadge

4 minute overtime

cause we wiped on.. the final boss

+17 and people still don't know strats?

[mortal brook]

yes ofc not

dont need to know stuff till it hurts enough to know

[inner rock]

Do you basically still get 10 pts per +level from 16-20? And you get same points from fort and tyrr independently?

[sick sentinel]

:)))))))))00

[tame jasper]

Your alternative key only gives you about 1/3 I think. So about 9 pts for the better one and 3 for the other (on same level)
Numbers not fixed, but its about that value

[sick sentinel]

JuSt cALL iNTeRupT

[sick nest]

new to prot warrior, should i craft a primal molten defender or a shield of the hearth?

[amber siren]

Craft molten defender, hearth will take an embel slot

[round pendant]

Neat!

was just running a 16 CoS to help my friend get rating

[rough egret]

[sweet summit]

huge

[tepid raptor]

tbh im new to dragonflight, did that key 4 times, once +8 + 14 +14 +17, now i did it in +19 on fortified, (deplete, cuz i didnt know u could reflect drake claw?) then i re-did it in 18 and it was ok

[round pendant]

It's not too hard yeah

[tepid raptor]

tbh imo TJS is pretty hard

maybe cuz ive done it low amount of times

[fervent smelt]

ilvl 340 for m0, it's not a big deal right ?

[tepid raptor]

no

pump through it

[fervent smelt]

😄 cheers

[tepid raptor]

just keep shiled block and ignore pain up 🙂

[fervent smelt]

Are you spamming ignore pain ?

Or just whne rage full// taking a lot of dmg

[shell mortar]

Basically. Always prioritise shield slam and thunderclap while keeping rage below cap with using ignore pain and shield block with the occasional revenge if you have empty gcd

So yeah

Spam ignore pain

[fervent smelt]

I was spamming sield slam but using bunch of revenge on groups of adds

shield block always up though

[tepid raptor]

both always up

[warm plinth]

you shouldn't be spamming Ignore Pain

You prio SS>TC>Revenge, and you use IP to prevent overcapping when Revenge isn't enough by itself. You can prioritize IP when needed to prepare for a tankbuster, but you shouldn't ever be spamming it

[fervent smelt]

I was spamming it when I was low life wihtout a healer, I didn't realise I had so much utility that culd my life

[shell mortar]

Just spam IP bro

Don't overthink it

[warm plinth]

Do not do that, stop telling him to do that smfh

[shell mortar]

You can't stop me

[warm plinth]

That is not how you play the spec

[fervent smelt]

Avatar and the other one just ogt me near full life than I still had rallying cry

[dusky igloo]

Spam whirlwind

[fervent smelt]

Thats how I keep agro /s

[tepid raptor]

Don't listen to them

just bladestorm

[dusky igloo]

Spinning to win is a tried and true practice

[fervent smelt]

I wish we still had that power from shadowland

That legendary was so good

[kindred echo]

hey sorry to bother yall I have a question. Just made a prot warrior and got this out of my Heroic chest

is this good enough not to make lariat first?

[jolly granite]

Lariat at the same level will be better. To be sure do a sim.

[kindred echo]

ok but since I cant get that rn at same item level, i can say make a weapon first instead

and be fine with this is a spot holder

[jolly granite]

Sure

[kindred echo]

just trying to figure out what ima use my chaos first on

[jolly granite]

Crafted items have very low impact

They are strong because of the ilvl and most of the time you can choose the stats

The embellishments are pretty meh

Icing on the cake 😉

[bold turret]

You could craft another piece, think lariat isn’t ahead of other embellishments (check pins) so use that neck and craft shield first

I remember some of the bigger brains in here say for alts you want to craft pieces with str on but could be wrong.

[mortal brook]

gratz that is half an otter mount

[warm plinth]

Weapon and shield should be first anyway, even if you didn't get a neck

[stuck basin]

y get shild and sword - consider embellish them first and clean them later when you wanna build fristfire belt for the raidrings or lariat / wrist

[wind hare]

I got grieftorch out of the weekly heroic loot chest on my warrior I hit 70 with 2 days ago. Feels good

[mighty valley]

cool! fuck off

i'm joking. that's really cool for you!

fuck off.

[wind hare]

Been after it a while? Lol

[mighty valley]

i'm kidding, congrats on your luck

[elfin ginkgo]

Hey! How do you all take care of explosives?

[ionic fern]

Step one:

"Healer, you're on explosive duty".

Step two:
--Profit.

[wind hare]

Heroic throw!

[elfin ginkgo]

heroic throw has a minimum range :(((

[wind hare]

Yeah I only get far ones

[mighty valley]

hope your healer is cool. if they're not, either right click them and move into auto attack range, or step a lil away to heroic throw

in either case, say something really fucked up to your healer

[ionic fern]

I did one explosive.

Hit it for 90k with Shield Slam.

Worth it.

[wind hare]

My healers are too busy healing me because I’m under geared 😅

[wind hare]

Hahahahaha

[mighty valley]

in that case, feel bad about yourself and handle them

[amber siren]

You can hamstring them if you're really desperate

[mighty valley]

putting hamstring on your bars is REALLY desperate

[blazing condor]

id rather blow up

[bold turret]

Your unlikely to be the one that dies first thus isn’t your problem

[vale anvil]

Guys, any experienced prot warrior could share with me their input / UI setups ?

Basically how are you using skills, what is most efficient / comfortable placement for skills & key bindings

any help will be much appreciated as I'm complete newb

[blazing condor]

@strong forum has his WA pack somewhere

[blazing condor]

https://quazii.com/dragonflight-protection-warrior-weakauras-ui/ here's a pretty common one that people use which is more minimalistic - you can check if you like it

[vale anvil]

ok so next question - why this guy doesn't have half of warrior skills on slots?

[ionic fern]

Ask him.

[vale anvil]

well, if that's "pretty common" setup i thought theres a simple explanation that every warr knowss

;p

[ionic fern]

Idk what it is but by image it just looks like a WA set.
WA's are very personal regarding what you want to track yourself.

I've never heard of that setup so idk.

😂

[vale anvil]

I mean this guy doesnt have for example taunt skill on bar

which is I believe quite important for tanking

[ionic fern]

It's a WA.

Not a actionbar.

[covert topaz]

He probs hides his action bars

[ionic fern]

You can have actionbars separately below.

[vale anvil]

ah okey,

[ionic fern]

WA's are for "ease of access" and gaining quick information.

I don't have Taunt on my WA either.

🤷

[covert topaz]

Look at Luxthos / Naowhui ( paid ) / or quazzi

[vale anvil]

yeah so my question was what key bindings are u using on ur acton bars

because that's what's hard for me to setup correctly

[modest grove]

Does anyone know of the existence of a in-depth guide for prot warrior (df expansion specific) , i would like to read it, learn from it

[ionic fern]

What ever you feel comfortable with

o.o

[vale anvil]

I feel like nothing I'm setting up is comfortable 😄

[ionic fern]

WoWHead/IV + pins.

[ionic fern]

This is from SL..mostly the same.

[jagged pier]

u want an indepth guide

press everything on CD

90% of prots cant do that

👍

[topaz field]

are u sure 90%?

[jagged pier]

yes

[topaz field]

i havent met a single prot war not doing dogshit dps

they dont seem to find their buttons

[ionic fern]

That's the same for all classes.

Try finding a DPS doing decent DPS.

[topaz field]

ye very true

[modest grove]

Kek

[mortal brook]

but the button is shiny, why not press

[inner hound]

was doing an alt key on my resto druid yesterday, it was grueling. the prot war had 9% uptime on shield block. his #1 damage (more than double the next) was revenge. thunderclap was #14 on his damage, he pressed it 36 times (vs 650 revenges). we actually timed the 17 temple and I kept him alive but it was not fun

just a random rant. sorry

[stuck basin]

good thing is he will think he did well couse you could keep him alive 🤣

[inner hound]

Ironically when the tanks are decent or even good then they often ask me for advice/if they did well after the run because they see my main rating. But the bad ones never do

[ionic fern]

Oo, i tried to help a prot warrior in game once because he was doing very poorly.

Got told that i know nothing about Prot warrior and should just shut up.

So i did.

[jagged pier]

yep sounds about right

should have asked him what guide he was using

imagine if he said IV

KEKW

[ionic fern]

Man, if he was using IV and was doing that poorly i'd fire myself.

[jagged pier]

fire yourself anyway and make nome write it

[blazing condor]

delegate downwards

best thing to do

[ionic fern]

Doing it at work.

So i can chat on Discord.

[inner hound]

My bad tanks were always playing ITF, so they never got sent by you

I think r.io top 10 is their guide

[jagged pier]

i mean pl tell me the class plays slow without ITF

im like brah your not pressing buttons

in m+ u have so much rage it doesnt matter

[blazing condor]

you cant give people advice

that just how it is

even solicited

people cope too fuckin hard on this game

[ionic fern]

You can give me advice.

I'll listen.

[blazing condor]

i have none to give

[jagged pier]

can u do a cursed talent run again

that was funy in SLs

[ionic fern]

Think i got a HoV 22

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

That can be a test key for that.

I have to find the most cursed talent build tho.

Probably something with Spear.

[wind hare]

For 22 HoV you still always start with triple pull yeah?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

On fortified weeks we CC the first thundercaller.

[inner hound]

And all the execute talents, big stonks on odyn

[ionic fern]

And just pull into it once the other one dies.

[wind hare]

Was doing one with my healer friend and like most pugs we immediately bricked the key. He goes “I think we just double next time” and I was like “I don’t think you time the key if you only double”

[jagged pier]

this is pretty cursed and ive been reasonably nice and given u somethings

[ionic fern]

Thank god it doesn't have Rend.

Imagine having to manually cast rend.

[jagged pier]

as i said reasonably nice

[ionic fern]

And you actually gave me decent SB up-time.

[wind hare]

Is this the new warrior talent tree to use?

[jagged pier]

no

please dont ever use that

[wind hare]

😂

[ionic fern]

Can i use Unnerving Focus instead?

[jagged pier]

there u go worse now

but u get battering

👍

[stray harbor]

I just got the Ruby Whelp Shell trinket, was mostly wondering how you wanna train it as a prot warrior. 🙂

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[wind hare]

Did you try simming it? I think the ST proc is good though

[ionic fern]

I think losing Indom is going to be the biggest hit, ngl.

😂

[jagged pier]

u can drop intervene for cracking thunder so u slow the mobs more with the 20% movement speed reduced

[ionic fern]

No,no, i wanna be a good tank and Intervene Fenryr.

[jagged pier]

oh true

oh wait

[wind hare]

Every time I’ve done HoV (like 3 times) on my warrior I’ve forgotten to talent intervene 😰

[jagged pier]

we can make this worse

[ionic fern]

Please Jakey...

[stray harbor]

@wind hare Nope, I haven´t simmed it yet.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

LOL

[wind hare]

It’ll probably answer your question for you 😊. I don’t know warrior but DK generally wants ST dmg proc. I imagine it isn’t far off

[ionic fern]

Dude, give me the throw from warrior side as well then.

I wanna spam that atleast.

[stuck basin]

hey where did you find my standart m+ build jakey 😉

[ionic fern]

That build is actually cursed tho.

No Avatar/AM/SW

ED

Wtf.

[jagged pier]

better?

[ionic fern]

That's it.

That's the perfect build.

[jagged pier]

yer but u see

u can just kite and cc now

fear doesnt break insta

u shockwave all the time

[ionic fern]

True.

[jagged pier]

u can spear things and run

when u have SB

u have to manually apply rend tho

downside

[ionic fern]

AND..double Ravager with increased rage gen

To feed into BT.

Smart.

[jagged pier]

true

[strong forum]

Pick overwhelming rage instead of 1h spec

[jagged pier]

we have to give him somthing to play with nome

[ionic fern]

I do need to keep Aggro...somehow.

[jagged pier]

how he gunna have aggro if rav does 5% less damage

[stuck basin]

i miss the aoe anti fear for tvis to work

[ionic fern]

At least i can intervene the DH who is bound to pull aggro.

[jagged pier]

can replace that with overhelming rage then

[ionic fern]

Oh,no thank you.

How am i surviving Hyrja tho.

[jagged pier]

this build is so cursed XD FbV but u have to manually ally rend XD no indom no IV

thats the fun part

you dont

[ionic fern]

😂

[jagged pier]

well u could spell block 1 i suppose

[ionic fern]

That build doesn't have spell block.

LS+SR..
DS+SR..?

I got TL

So..maybe?

[jagged pier]

it has tough as nails

u can swap that point

healer external

darkness from DH

u survive i believe

[stuck basin]

y get darkness and hppe for 20% chance to survive sounds like perfekt

[ionic fern]

I actually think the 10% HP from indom is going to wreck me.

[jagged pier]

u have rally as well

[jagged pier]

just dstance bro

[ionic fern]

TRUE.

OH

I GOT TRINKET ALSO

.

Easy boss.

[jagged pier]

😮

[ionic fern]

Can't wait to see Shockwave on my top 3 DPS abilities.

[stuck basin]

you could get devastator out for manually using devastate if you have no rage for rend;)

[ionic fern]

Can we not.

Isn't it already scuffed enough.

[jagged pier]

see we could take devastator out but then we give bolster

which is too much sb

or bulwark

also

too much SB

[sick sentinel]

whats the best talents for 15+ mythic low geared alts? around 390 ilvl

[ionic fern]

Too much SB?

I'm sitting at like..40-50% with that.

😂

[jagged pier]

exactly

[ionic fern]

On a fortified week.

[jagged pier]

it wasnt

oh give mwahi and okay build

it was a cursed build

that is cursed

[jagged pier]

any of them

[ionic fern]

Check the pins, both m+ builds linked there work.

[rose flicker]

hi just for the sake of min max

dwarf or dark iron dwarves?

[ionic fern]

Dworf.

If picking between those 2.

[wild kayak]

why would my auto counts be pathetic in raid? looking at top warriors on kurog and i got like 2/3 of their auto counts. I have like 2000 more haste than the guy i'm looking at

[jagged pier]

Windfury

[wild kayak]

my god you might be right im gonna check

No windfury it looks like

jk yes it was

[strong forum]

Do you have battering ram and how much crit?

Those are also factors

[placid oar]

Hi guys, at the SBG Dominator pack after the first boss. Would you know how i can prevent the occasional random hits on my party members? Aggro was grabbed but some of them died 😦

would appreciate if someone can shed some guidance or advice to prevent that from happening

[mortal brook]

agro of the tethered add is based on the threat of the dominator linked to it

if you're not kicking that domination cast

[placid oar]

so as long as i have thread on the dominators, the adds will only hit me?

[mortal brook]

should be yep

[placid oar]

ahh cos it seems i had aggro but some party members got random hits

[mortal brook]

thats why i have the far one kicked, the one outside the main cluster

[stray dome]

is there any other way to find crafters than Trade channel? its ridiculously hard to see in that channel

[jagged pier]

post what u want in trade chat they will find u

[mortal brook]

you can adjust the text size if you're having trouble seeing 👍

[dense ledge]

someone here good with the automarker weakaura? for example in hov I want mystics to always be marked blue or green and I wanted to try the modified build since I often get wrong colours on them with the standard build, would this work?

[placid oar]

the far one was kicked and came in for aggro, However the dominated spirit just hits a random party member.

[ocean prairie]

Guys why are many high io tanks using the whispering incarnate icon?

[pallid quiver]

It gives significant buffs to Heals/DPS if they also have it

[lean gale]

guys i just hit 2881 Rating i hope i can get 3k rating this season

[mortal brook]

Good stick is a good stick, esp if more in group

[mortal brook]

Hell yeah!

[sick sentinel]

if you want fast, GARUNTEED world markers, get marking bar lives.

1 click skulls, 2 click raid world marker

looks like this one the screen (way i have it at least)

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/marking-bar-lives

[dense ledge]

won't work for me, if I can't get the autmarker to work I think the only other option will be do have two good hotkeys for 2 marks and then 3rd caster is unmarked ... just too hectic to do manually

[sick sentinel]

i don't think it that bad, im just, really consistent with my world marker types and placements and marks in general

only actual mob markers i use is skull and x and like moon/triangle if we HAVE to cc, (haunting pre final TJS)

world marker skull is a literal "drag to this kill pile" red x for "dont stand here" green down triangle for "stand here"

[dense ledge]

when zooming around and chaining pulls it gets really hard for me to do it manually

[sick sentinel]

i don't think i'd chain pull so much if we didnt lose random amounts of small times all of the time in a key

some little tiny thing happens wrong, mage take dmg starts to freak out get erratic, dies, im thinking wtf, mage died, and also trying to keep key going

[dense ledge]

I edited a wa that gives me extra hotkeys basically where I can pre assign who kicks what but need to make the markers be correct, think it might be pretty cool

[sick sentinel]

one thing i did do alot in SL BFA which i no longer do as frequently but i think is the greatest idea in the world

put star above healer, put condom/square on your head

everybody now instantly knowes where the tank is and the healer in relation to tank in a keystone

it helps teach dps not to put shit on healer tank and general what we are up to

[undone verge]

Dathea fucking sucks

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[undone verge]

90 or so wipes into this boss and it’s pissing me off

[jagged pier]

90 wipes

[undone verge]

We’ve had 3 days of prog on it now

[sick sentinel]

T A O U N T B O A U S S NOOWWWWWWWWWWW RREEEEEEEEEEEEE X 3444444444448I348324832 times

[spark cedar]

what diff

[sick sentinel]

my dbm on that boss

[undone verge]

Mythic

[sick sentinel]

i swear that taunt now shit on that boss went off every 5 seconds

[undone verge]

Cause the taunt mechanic is stupid as hell on that boss

It’s 1-3-then who fucking knows

[jagged pier]

is it? its just swap on platforms

[sick sentinel]

that boss is kinda stupid, even on LFR i still feared and hated that boss

[jagged pier]

it works out too

[undone verge]

Well yeah you can do that, but dbm is always screaming in your ear because there’s some magic pattern you can do or whatever

[sick sentinel]

its a good fight if the players are good!!!! its bad fight if the players are bad!!!!

thats my review

[jagged pier]

imagne having sound on

https://tenor.com/view/jammin-grooving-hellyeah-excited-dance-gif-12175327

i just groove

[ionic fern]

If you go up first..:
-Start tanking the boss until he does the cast which shows which platform you go to (just charge back every Zephyr Slam)
-Co-tank takes boss
-Do platform,go down, taunt boss
-Repeat.

[undone verge]

I mean that’s what we do, not like the tank mechanic is the reason we have 90 wipes

Don’t even think it’s caused one wipe

[ionic fern]

Even my scuffed guild had less wipes.

[jagged pier]

[undone verge]

There’s just something about the second platform that when we come back everyone just dies

Even if the boss has no stacks

And people can’t make it to their platforms either

[sick sentinel]

download weak aura, start to get error messages, game says download bugsack/buggrabber, go to run 15 AV once again. (forever stuck there right now ATM pushing io ) it has an audio file in the addon which is a worms game voice over "fatility", we start the key, it starts playing this sound OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, disable the questionable weakaura, still continues, but not as frequently or loudly, im now off kilter, key is now dead forever thanks to yogi antics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdERdiKK7MY

this is the sound it decided to play on me

just, just normal yogi pug shit lol

[warm plinth]

You can turn off that sound

[ocean prairie]

Can you outrange dark claw in TJS? I mean walking back around 10 yards

[warm plinth]

Yes, backpedaling isn't fast enough though. You need to actually run away

(Strafe)

[sick sentinel]

it took me by complete surprise didnt expect it to happen, so it took 3 minutes to figure out what was going on, and that it wasn't coming from chrome instead is coming from wow, where on wow... okay, disablle that.....

and by that point i had already thrown the key too hard, caused wipe trying to reload, i mean, having "fatility!" mickey mouse worm voice on loop not gunna help any mental lol

[undone verge]

There’s also the issue that we’re doing Dathea before Kurog which is weird

[jagged pier]

[undone verge]

The exact reasoning is ‘kurog is a dps check and Dathea is a mechanics check’

Which I don’t get

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

i do, instantly

second you say it like that

cuz if its a dps issue, thats easy to fix, easier than mechanics

so that boss is now free loot compared to other u mention

[undone verge]

It’s not a dps issue it’s a mechanics issue

We’re like 10% ahead of Dathea kills

[uneven mason]

Worms is one of the greatest pvp games of all time

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDw_mpjKlpg have i truly become tanky?, also this is one of the very very first pvp computer games (and tanks, i love military tanks too some times)

[bright lion]

The wowhead blurb seems to be written from the perspective of raid tanking, how does all-totem stack up in keys when you're constantly taking damage?

[bright lion]

also holy shit I forgot about this game it was so fun

[amber siren]

Very good

[plush tendon]

All Totem Decent: Gets a 8/10 stars

[bright lion]

I just pulled a 408 all totem from the weekly box, currently using 415 blazebinder and 408 icon

[eager phoenix]

id say all-totem is your best passive trinket, only replaced by icon if others in team have it. 2nd lock is whetstone. if your a baller and dont mind double on-use go whetstone+torch/boon

[ocean bloom]

boon if oyou have a death sentence LOL

[eager phoenix]

i think torch is way more practical in your usual all-over-the-place-pug run but you can def make boon work

[uneven mason]

Is bis

[bright lion]

ty. been trying to get a whetstone but no luck so far

[uneven mason]

I'm 90% sure there is code in place that says "if shield is true, whetstone chance is -1"

Because it's not dropped on any run but when I was fiddling around in my vdh

[bright lion]

I got it on my dk when I was like 380 with 2 absolute blasters who joined a low run just to try to farm it

and I couldn't trade it

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-idk-i-dont-know-confused-sorry-gif-16602406

[uneven mason]

You can always trade gear

There's no restrictions

[analog sparrow]

Can't trade things that are higher ilvl than your best item for that spot. Unless you're saying that changed?

[stable valve]

Hasn’t changed, no clue what this guy is talking about

[sand mason]

It’s changed in raid for sure

You can trade without restriction in raid

[stable valve]

Yeah but we’re talking about whetstone, so that doesn’t matter

[sand mason]

Yep. But I see the confusion

[analog sparrow]

Good to know about the raid though. I wasn't aware of that

[hidden ether]

What do you guys think of the stat weight sim? I was curious with my current gear and it puts me at crit>mastery>Vers>haste. Does this mean I’m overstacking haste?

[sand mason]

What’s your haste %? It’s generally advisable to get to 35/40% so you can take itf and blast

But I’m 418 and only at 31% so I feel like it’s impossible lol

[amber siren]

The less you have of a stat, the better value it becomes (DPS wise)

It's not that it's advised to get 40%, that's just when DR kicks in

[uneven mason]

It's not exactly like itf makes you blast, it's a DPS gain in AE when you make optimal use

[bold turret]

I think itf is more preference in alot of cases

[strong forum]

HR is consistently good
ITF has higher highs and lower lows

That's the best way to look at it

[uneven mason]

Stat weights are cooky and will fluctuate depending on the values of others, for prot the practical gap between stats is within margin of error

Which is why we tend to follow ilvl is best

The Sims won't mislead you though but sims only consider a single situation, and you're going to get varied values between stats depending on pull size

[queen cave]

Do warriors have any way of breaking the frozen tomb on Diurna - Mythic?

[jagged pier]

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dwarf

[amber siren]

You can escape artist it too

[amber siren]

Gnome haters

[uneven mason]

Why would you be alliance if you're not dwarf/DiD

[stable valve]

Kul Tiran

[uneven mason]

Literally need to make dwarf druids so I can drop my last non dwarf toon there

[uneven mason]

Bald panda

Can't look at kultiran without seeing them as hairless pandaren

[daring marlin]

Less fat, taller and hold a 2H like a chad tho

[sick sentinel]

you will NOT be missed, valor cap, rip i guess

[hidden ether]

Yeah I’ve pretty much lived but that but now I have almost all 415 gear so I’m just looking up what to replace

[slim timber]

Can anyone help me understand something. My group has started heroic Terros. I tank with a co tank that is Paladin and I am stripping agro off of him when we swap. I’m not hitting taunt or anything. Am I supposed to just not hit my DPS buttons if I’m not the main tank at the moment? I’ve never ripped agro off him before but like 4 times I’ve stolen it. Does terros have an threat wipe?

[jagged pier]

no your paladin is just bad

and needs to play better

[slim timber]

Okay

I wasn’t sure. But didn’t wanna just say that without being sure.

Thanks.

[warm plinth]

@astral atlas So I got an answer from WCL re: the parse count thing we were talking about. He said that the parse % in the tooltip we were looking at is correct, but the number of parses is not (he said he thinks it's likely just a visual bug). But if you go to your character's dungeon list and change it to damage, it'll show the correct parse count for that dungeon/level/spec.

[daring marlin]

Is the dude taunting and afking? lol

weird

[warm plinth]

so we actually discovered a bug

[uneven mason]

Legit sounds like a slacker

[warm plinth]

How does his damage compare to yours, just curious? We had someone in here the other day asking a similar question and it turned out his VDH co-tank was just leaving melee randomly.

[modest gulch]

It was fucking dumb to begin with.

Now that so much of my gear is 418 from crafted shit, its almost a moot point except for alts and casuals. They handled this so dumb.

[slim timber]

Very similar dmg profiles. It could be range issues I guess?

[lucid pasture]

imagine needing valor

[modest gulch]

rng is rng

[sick sentinel]

stonks reputations

could just buy a billion fish to turn in for tuskar, but that would be boring and exspensive and time consuming

[modest gulch]

The rewards I've gotten for several of those overflowing caches have been embarassingly not worth.

[sick sentinel]

you can literal buy 100k fish and get 30 tuskarr in 2ish hours

cuz you have to click quest, turn in

[modest gulch]

So? Most people aren't going to do that.

[daring marlin]

It's meant for alts tbh

[sick sentinel]

ill just go run RLP +2 40 times get the valor i need

[modest gulch]

Yea, it will be used in practical terms to increase ilvl for rarer drops that happen to drop for people though.

[lucid pasture]

[lucid pasture]

what fish

can i do

its my lowest rep and the only one im missing

[sick sentinel]

any fish that you can fish from fishing in DF

[uneven mason]

Feels like a waste

[lucid pasture]

frfr?

[sick sentinel]

20(fish) = 100 first time of week, 5 after (rep)

[lucid pasture]

is it at the fishing area or some place else

[lofty widget]

10k fish for 1 renown lvl

btw

[modest gulch]

You can turn in 20 a week of each type for max rep... after that it reduces down to very little gains. Best way is to just do it weekly.

[sick sentinel]

u can buy them off AH

[lucid pasture]

the place you turn em in

is what im askin

[uneven mason]

Just buy whatever is cheapest on ah and use an auto turn in addon

[sick sentinel]

but its pretty much, how much gold and time do u have to waste

[uneven mason]

Any of the fishing spots should have a turn in

[modest gulch]

There is a fishing repeatable quest guy in fishing holes (fish on the map)

[lucid pasture]

ait pog

finna go

[sick sentinel]

roughly 10k fishper 2500 rekown i think i calculated at around 75silver to just over 1 gold

or well, 10k fish, cuz its 500 turn ins

so its 10k fish per full reknown bar, tons of rep just hanging around cooking event

[uneven mason]

Yeah less and less people hanging out at the cooking thing

Big sad

[sick sentinel]

i still see many many players at it, i think it might be that the buff doesn't carry into raids and mythic +

[modest gulch]

They also doubled the rate at which the event occurs, so players that are more "one and done" for completion are more evenly spread over time.

[sick sentinel]

i think there should be events like that for gathering only skills, but how would you even begin to design a mining or skinning or enchanting event

[modest gulch]

They are bringing back mining veins I read. Not an event, but you could easy localize it to increase those spawn rates around... say... elemental storm areas.

[sick sentinel]

we have to multi tap loot ore nodes agin?

oh god no

[spare loom]

is 35k overall okay for 390 ilvl? dungeon was SBG

[modest gulch]

The fuck is the difference... it's more nodes clustered together... giving you more ore. Greater convenience for concentrated clusters of nodes vs. running around a bunch to tap 1 node at a time. It's like serial vs parallel... parallel wins hands down.

[daring marlin]

I'll probably do that on my sub 400 pally/dk to farm valor