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i know the pain, harrow
hmm hmm
in dungeons where the blocker is one hard tyran boss, sometimes spiteful storm
totem has been really underwhelming when i played with it
so whet/idol?
the proc was barely doing 3-4% of my damage
hoof is kinda nice but whetstone always do like triple more aoe dmg
totem also has stat buffs on top of the raw damage procs
3-4% of damage + stat buffs + defensive benefit is an overall great package
whetstone is just insane, i was running hoof before and whetstone just obliterates it
i like whetstone for the snap aggro when you pull
yep yep i have both and hoof is rly weaker i mean okay it gives str stacking which icnrease ur parry,m but dmg diff is too big
@timber terrace oh ye thats insane ye ye
btw what totem u talk about?
oh kurog?
yeah
it's really weak tbh the absorb is small and the damage isn't that great
and fullyhaste stacked ruby whelp? which proc like3k haste?
I use big wigs and i swore it called out when dark claw was happening, maybe it was when i had dbm but swapped over not sure. Anyone who uses bigwigs does it call this out or no?
I only say this bc i think lately mine feels a bit bugged out in a lot of dungeons
it does tb sound for me and thats it
It does a ding
its like ding sound ye like when boss does TB
alright thanks
ye fucking dark claw
is there ever an ilvl difference that would be worth breaking 4-set bonus for?
somestimes even spell reflect, spell bloc, spell reflect, all other mits, spell reflect is not enough with pugs
i forgot i had my heroic cache
@nocturne spindle wqith catalysts theres not evne need of thinking about it even if prot is ur off spec its still 415 set piece minimum jsut with incorrectr stats if its off spec
this game is ez
better say with catalyst valor uncapped combo
i know eventually with the catalysts i get it be like im assuming even from LFR gloves to 415 mythic gloves its worth keeping the set til i can change it?
u propably do low keys with that gear anyway so there u can do whatever u want as prot warr i swear u can go naked below 15 keys 🙂
i find it super synergystic but dont even know correect numbers how much it does from my IP, lets say i do mediocre 25M IP during one dungeon, i would like to know how much from it is that passive addition
like what i love about it it kidna benefit ur ofeensive playstyle(when u for exmaple pop defensive mitigation and go battle stance with ur big cdcs for big offensive) u kinda do more dmg - more dmg equals more ip stacking, so it kinda rewards u for playing offesnive when u can play offensive rather then sit whole time in def stance
at leats its how i feel about it
but i dont know correct numbers just love that idea of that set
but theoretically if i do around 65-75 mil dmg per dung so lets say my uptime of buff is like 90 percent of time plus i have whole that time ip up(which is kinda realistic), u take 5 percent of that and u are on 3 milion IP from set bonus, well not so big, but nice addition
but dont forget on brutal vitality
which adds another 10
so u end on rly nice numbers
how do i get out of combat mythic batle for dazar first boss
i forgot this shit can happen
do you run spell block in nokhud
nah
have to contact gm again?
It's a talent that just happens to be insanely strong for that one mechanic tbf.
heartstone out
Please tell me that's a raid build
What's good % shield block uptime in avr a key?
99 with HR
87+ with ITF
ITF is fine imo
i mean if he gets by with it, sure, but HR nets better defensive results
as long as hes not doing 24 keys
if hes dying cuz of SB downtime
depends on the level of ur haste afaik; if u dont have enough haste, you could def run that talent
What do you mean by "that talent"
itf
You run ItF when you have high haste, not when you have low haste.
mate this tank is telling me to pump less so I stop stealing aggro from him
I'm so fucking annoyed
JUST TAUNT IT'S NOT HARD
been living a lie then
Does he not taunt?
Get interrupt on first thundercaller then pull to dragon stun 2nd thundercaller shockwave them both on next cast
As long as they die first there's no way for your team to die
My teams always seem to like standing in the dragon breath.
bold of you to assume the party won't dive into dragon's breath
No strategy will fix being an idiot 
I still do the pull, anyway; pretty sure it's still faster even if the entire party runs all the fucking way to the boss just to get hit
nobody will stand closer towards the boss than you
ah
nome thought he beat me to it
but never underestimate the lack of willingness to live in your average pug
seems like 2 dps (always the monk) come stand on me to clear and then don't move with me when the breath comes
what
you shouldnt clear on tank
thats suicide
always dps with healer and dps with dps
in 90%++ of cases
... bold of you to assume dps know or even want to clear
their dam, bro
they gotta PUMP
cant dam if floor
as long as they get you killed, it's fine
They seem to be unable to see behind them where they could clear on the heals/ranged so run to me.
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Idk my pugs can’t handle doing explosives and kicking 2 casters at the same time so
What level of key are you doing
20-21
I hit probably half of the orbs myself with throw
But then I feel like I can’t backpeddle the melee mobs bc I need to be in range of orbs
You're probably moving more than you have to if that's the case
is it particularly hard for disc priests to get explosives as a spec?
not harder than any other healer
He's living the Ragnaros server stereotype for sure
Is it worth getting Bitter Immunity in the war tree for Crawth and bleed shit, and what would you drop for it if you did?
I guess I don't pug enough to know server stereotypes, what is the word on ragnaros?
it doesnt remove bleeds, and its only worth if you dont have a single poison dispel in your group
once again, yogi has been sent to the nether realm
man if I had eyes and could just read the ability, thanks someone jebaited me into thinking it could remove bleeds
and i cannot release, in dazar alor, "the light judges all"
ty though
You act like playing disc is equivalent to Aurelion Sol or Azir from League. 
It is
madlad
can void slash be reflected
negative
I've been going comfortably on haste/crit prio so far but i feel extremely squishy in fortified AA that I fidn myself going defensive stance relatively often. Any chad haste/crit stackers rocking pure bstance (except for tank busters) this week comfortably?
So my guild lost one of our tanks recently due to changes in work schedule and I'm learning to tank to take the spot. I keep seeing in guides and stuff people tanking in battle stance over defensive stance. Should battle be the default and only use defensive if I'm getting rocked? Lemme know if this is a dumb question
It's not a dumb question but 99% of the time you wanna be in battle.
Dstance is good for giga tankbusters and that's about it
okay thanks!
the things that hurt you in AA:
a) severing slash, bleed from axe, look out for it, CC it/outrange it/dwarf it
b) surge ( rarely casts on you ), interruptible
c) vexamus tanks buster, crawth tankbuster, use CDs, nothing else you can do
d) arcane missile, interruptible
e) poison from tree boss adds, get dispelled, kill em quick
thats it
besides C, theyre all avoidable
tornadoes from the tornadoe man suck
well dont tank those, lol
You can't really outrange the axe but it is parryable so
huge hit and a stun
But you can just stun it or whatever to put it on cd
did you try hearthing?
dead logged off, tried automated, it only put me to infront of the door
like, inside infront of the door, in combat still
should i upgrade strike twice if i have a crafted weapon
I wouldn't upgrade a weapon tbh
I did two +20s one with rdruid one with rshammy and felt extremely squishy with shammy that i sit on dstance. I usually just switched dstance on those u listed but perhaps we were lacking cc as well i guess since I don't run with premades so shit is always weird in pugs. Both of those runs didn't focus skitterflies so started getting popped :S
what if crafted sword isnt ilvl
just take strike twice as ilvl upgrade until i can upgrade crafted piece?
then its up to you if you want to spend a bazillion valor
to upgrade a temporary weapon
mm ok i wont upgrade
thats cuz rdruid is by far our best synergetic healer
Though tbh, you shouldn't really feel like you have to sit in dstance because of the spec the healer is in a 20.
what is the upgrade order, is it like trinkets, rings, and anything like bracers or boots
Sounds like maybe the shaman just sucked
i did more healing overall than him now that i check details :S
with valor, yeah bis trinket > bis ring > rest
but valor gets uncapped next week
so you can just degen farm to your hearts content
shield is only 250 a tap
i got no idea how long the timer is supposed to be, but i seem to recall this isnt first time i got stuck like this
whetstone
is that really it
only thing im scared of is i log in 10 am tomorrow
oh ok
what happens at 10 am tomorrow
well, if i waited in good faith till then, my ticket would be behind in line
and i probably wouldn't get on till 5 pm
feels like one of those problem wont magic itself away, much as i like.
once your character despawns in the world
it should reset
but you need to be logged out for a prolonged time for that to happen
usually 15minutes
i'll give it a shot i guess
is it like worth just spamming court for the trinket
yes
also for the ring
ik what im going to e doing
did i make a mistake crafting titanic insight
or is it like a long term investment thing
that stuff is to increase your likelyhood of crafting a higher ranked item
so its not a waste if you yourself craft items
but theyre quite costly
i had someone else craft the ring for me
I finally got an icon at 408. Would you run whetstone icon or whetstone decoration of flame
to put it simply for you, the amount of stars the desired item needs the crafter to have alot of points in that thing, and then also a high skilllvl for the pofession
icon
like, if i only have 5 points in bracers craft your still only gunna get 2 or 3 rank even though im 100 bs skill base
so you want to find someone who specialized in what you are after
30% base haste, worth taking into the fray?
Kinda depends on what your group has (in m+)
If healer and 1 dd have it it's pretty high value
is rumbling rubyt a good trinket
check wcl and see what others are doing that you're not
I think raz is a little skewed because
82 ilvl %, but 67 overall
I guess there's significantly more higher ilvl players doing hc raz
still, disappointed in 82 parse 
good chance that's the case, yeah
408 neck with speed from weekly on my pally alt
kms
okay, so nome is correct
the timer is 20 minutes (thats what i waited at least, based on, it takes 20 minutes of no action to get AFK logged out) and then it lets you release
wait i play ITF whole time, is HR rly that better? have to try , guess 4k haste is enough anway
totaly forgot on HR lulz
if you have 40% haste before ITF, it beats HR
do you ever take barbaric training
No
@warm plinth
@sick sentinel 40 percent haste? i have 26 with 4k how u can have 40
maybe haste every slot with high ilevel?
You can't. That's the point.
prob cant
fuck loads of gear gems enchants
spitting on 10% haste seems like a big dps loss though
there is at least 2 trinkets i can thihk of off hand haste, blaze hoof and alchemy alcarity tribket
well u dont have that 10 percent so often tbh on other hand
bosses especially on tyra takes half of dungeon time
and then u kinda do sometimes 3 adds pulls
fair enough, maybe ITF for fort and HR for tyra?
so at 421 hoof and 418 crafted thung im assuming thats about 1750 passive hast max ish
i did notice you have 100% shield block uptime on the start of a pull for a while even with ITF, you lose uptime as mobs die
Haste isn't even particularly strong as an offensive stat alone; it's not that much more offensive gain when you have it in comparison to the loss of SB uptime
it's why when you sim, it'll sometimes look you in the eye and just go "ey, start stacking mastery boss"
except for us mastery is worthless
Highest i can get with cherrypicked haste gear
dunno how the fuck osmeone gets to 40
@spark cedar i dont even think its worth i rly think it has some kind of dimnishing return ocne u go upper then 30 meaning other stats become to have higher value
like u want to have also some vers and some crit and some mastery(maybe?) to some degree
if someone can get 8000 points into mastery and have 75% passive, 100 blocled hits through shield charge, id be impressed
I like my stat spread
hmm i have to try that HR, from common sense perspective havin perma uptime on shield block and kinda more rage sounds rly nice
The more rage also spins into damage, as well, especially when you outburst shield slams,
As that extra rage is included in the outburst
i mean i can kinda imagine playing HR with combination with ruby whelp shell 3k haste stat proccing
and second trinket ofc whetstone
or even keep hoof for some static haste hmm hmm well we will see
is it bad that i only have 16% haste
And therefore more Avatar
it's pretty low
idk how to fix it besides just getting more gear
If that's what your highest ilvl pieces are then that's just how it is, not a huge deal
next week it'll be easy to fix
run M+ to get haste/vers or haste/crit gear
upgrade them
I wonder how much to pull on algethar on fortified
🤔
Nothing's particularly scary if people just kick the scepters and books, right?
Get gear overall. You don't worry about secondaries as much as ilvl, since they're all of use to us
Especially if it's any piece with Str or the only source of some stat, such as block value, in which case those are worth more than optimizing for specific secondaries by a long shot
mmm ok
i was planning on upgrading my shield right away
and i have another one so idk what to upgrade next
lariat, belt, main hand, or ring
Are you completely enchanted/gemmed? Using a howling rune on your weapon all the time? Haste food? Those can help until you get replacement pieces.
no
You can craft pieces too and get the correct missive to guarantee the stats. That will help as well.
massive
+16 AV, should I do any fancy skips?
nah just hold w
wahjt is the website to see talents and shit
warcraft logs, raiderio, wowhead, etc
and fifth character with heroic all totem complete
whats the mongo tank dmg that the blazebounds in rlp do sometimes
Inferno?
😂 i love playing prot lol
almost 100% shield block uptime with into the fray in low keys
Yeah it's not a channel
you're just rooted for 10 secs
I'm so tired of losing my fucking mouse cursor
when I'm trying to click explosives
I run itf in most keys. I swapped it off last week on a run or two last week.
how is running boon for us
good damage, just know when you're allowed to use it
thinking about running boon and whetstone
big dam
why wouldnt you drop one handed spec and for Sonic boom in forti weeks ?
its just a question, the stun is superusefull when mobs stay alive for a shit ton of time, and why wouldnt we go for sonic boom then ? Mention: i tried it in 22 aa and rlp and it did great dmg, somewhere arround 7-9% of my dmg dealt
Dropping one handed spec is a big drop in damage and leech, and turning your AoE stun into a damage CD you need to send on CD is going to run you into stun DR troubles
aham, ye 5% dmg and leech is good increas, but at least that sonic boom has to be good in dungeons with packs like nokhud and aa ?
If you want to go bigger AoE damage, get uproar
You're going to troll your team turning your CC into a damage CD
One handed spec isn't negotiable though, that's 5% melee damage across all your abilities
i swear halls is unpuggable
pugs cant handle triple pull
and if they can hyrja shoves her spear up their ass
My solution is to mark thunder caller or mystic with skull. Once I make sure there is only one in total I pull next, then blast through. The gigapull Infront of hyrja is not scary at all, if the TC and RC is basically dead when ya go.
Tldr: let pugs handle 1 caster and kill it, you pull additional anything yourself can stop.
i don't pug much but if i did i'd keep it all simple
Do you desync hyrja?
no bc i havent practiced the timing
and idk if the pugs would even know what im doing
but tbh should i have to on 20-21s
Go and practise - pugs don't need to know
just had a mistweaver who couldnt even heal the first one with lust
there are so many pain points in the dungeon
Use rally and they should be fine ez this week. Once first is over it is free
What is desyncing hyrja?
YouTube it. But in short, if you move her at 4 sec timing from a to b, she uses thunder while holy empowered and holy while thunder empowered.
Makes it a lot more manageable 
The timing is a very close window, really worth of you can pull it off but it's better to practice in m0
You have to heroic throw then taubt so your details starts to count the fight but it feels like the window is 3.9-4.4
What’s Prot like Purely pugging? I only pug and just want to know if Prot is like meta in Groups or is it still meta in Pugs ? 🙂
“Meta”
I was healing a prot warrior tank, but he had like 55% shield block uptime.
Isn't that quite low?
Speaking as a druid healer, I like warrior tanks in pugs.
Out of all the “meta” tanks war your fav?
That's a bit dependent on the dungeon and team. I like melee comps, thus if no warrior DPS, I like warrior tank for their buff.
A paladin tank cleansing debuffs can be great in some places.
DKs are hit or miss for me. Some feel godly others paper thin.
I usually don't pick guardian druid as a druid myself, bringing the vers buff.
Yesh cool 👌 I’m hard stuck on what to main out of Pala DK War
Haha. I'd pick either warrior or paladin.
gtg though, out for a run with a colleague.
Good luck, may tanking be glorious
Why them 2 ???
Warrior if you want to be invulnerable, pally if you want to carry all the interrupts/mechanics of pug groups , dk if you really like them. Their play style is fun if you can deal with the yo-yoing
warrior is pretty far from invulnerable
the only edge warrior has over dk rn is damage
Hey all! Can anyone help me? I have a tendency to lose aggro when pakcs are spread (i.e. HoV pack 1, AV pack 3 <the trees>) Can anyone explain to me what the best way to get and keep aggro on these spread packs is?
Is it really? Thats Intesting I know monk pumps Dam atm fell like 1 buff away or move and even more gear and Warrior will come down to save lvl as the rest
I'd pick warrior because my favorite two races are gnomes & night elves.
But if I could pick gnome paladin, I would =)
Currently playing night elf resto druidess
hi i have 4peaces (Head/Shoulder/ Legs/Hands ) and T-Set Chest 395 or 395 Dathea´s chest wich one is better
and how good is the alchy stone (haste)
📉
yo why are Kul Tiran with their racial brush it off OR Mechagnome with Combat analysis + Emergency Failsafe dont get mentioned more as best tank races
Instead dwarf seems the most picked, can anybody explain why
Like those racials seem much bigger than dwarfs stoneform
wich chest is better T-Set 395 or Dathea´s 395?
Sim it
cannot sim becouse raidbot stucks by my setup
Gonna have to fix it then
icic thank you, imma ask on #pvp the same question lol
not for tanks but in general
Pack before last boss in TJS
how the fk do i manage it at +19
aggro and run away?
gotta hard cc and ignore the haunting, and then pray tp jesus
xd
Jusr blast them
i survive tanking it 20 sec
then gotta run
or so
maybe 40 sec
but it hsould be done with BL right?
Rotate your CD's, make sure you're using spellblock, after CDs are gone and they're still alive you'd need to kite
Yes ideally
Lusting that pack is a good idea
that teash pack ia gross, because the center big sha make tons and tons of little adds
on fort though, pretty much required to cc haunting, on tyranical you just blaster them yeah
Vers/ eye of storm
ok ty
On fort weeks i use eye
and bufffood besides banquette
Fortune cookie
again, depends on the dungeon, how big ypur pulls are
in hov, eye woups b3 a bot dumb almost
362 gs :D
only like 3 pulls your are pulling 5 or more enemy
yep
Throw ravenger in to pull, will sync up the dark claws so you can double reflect them. After that it's CD rotation.
i was finding this week i need to seperate hyrja stairs trash
if i pulled all 5, we wiped
so only pulled first 2 on stairs, then 3, worked out alot better
usually pull 2 on stairs with the previos pack, then kill 3 with mini boss (chain after caster dead if worried) - i mean mini mini boss not the 2 preboss ones lol
sucks i have to break it down and baby pull, butn8f it means i time key, sure
New cursors in 10.0.7. Nice we gettin to HD 😄
the interact one
change that one first
i bump my cursor size to be as big as a meatloaf, and the interact one blown up has about 7 pixels total compared to the glove thing
Glowe was also updated
hey friends, quick Q. At high keys do we just alwways go double shield wall ? at around 22-23 i am starting to feel it way stronger than the shiled slam one ( sometimes 1 pack needs 2xshield wall and the next ones are just afk)
Impen wall will always give more shields walls, so no
It should be coming up every minute
Roundabout depending on procs
are there any quality of life makros out there? didnt find any
besides leap and stuff
the marker one is pretty good and usefull
marker one? :o
A one-button macro that puts down a unique world marker where your cursor is in Mythic+ dungeons.
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Barely any difference in price on r2 and r3 for versa phials though(maybe like 20-30g/phial), as they require a lot less skill than eg. glacial for r3. Most people who went phial mastery can craft r3 without any extra mats or inspiration procs.
30 gold each adds up fast
might have to end up start using the rank 3's but i seem to recall past few days they were bit less, could be mistaken
Even less it looks like. 16g difference now.
i swear the other day i was picking them up for around 60
i'd have to skim through out played which im much too lazy for
Hi guys! Im gonna to craft primal longsword, i would like to know which stats and emb i have to do. I guess Haste and Versa and then?
embellishment on weapon not required, i was piloting haemmer 402 with fangs addornment
they cannot crit is 1 thing
stats to use, haste + any (versa or crit reccomended)
hey guys kind of tired with protection
thinking of trying out dh or blood dk, what would you recommend? mostly for m+
I have a DK blood and i love to play, very fun and a lot of utilities
BDK is very pug friendly for mythic + if you can stand the wheelchair aspect
BDK is good until you realize you don't have charge or heroic leap any more, coming from if u re-roll from prot warrior
you will be, where is my charge, and it doesn't exist
i rolled a brm and i miss charge too
i played BDK for 2 expansions. As BDK, your teammates will run ahead of you and you will be straggling behind.
BDK hp is too spikey for me
if i play it im gunna have a fuckin hart attack
i'm not young enough to be able to handle that random levels of stress like that no more
u dont notice hp really, u will be focused on rotation
anyway
when i started protwar i missed the bdk's grip. i was like where is my grip oh no it doesnt exist
i dunno wtf his issue with it or haste is, but i played with a BDK for a very long time, and he strongly seems to dislike playing any talent build, spec or anything that involves stacking haste, or hard casting spells
all 3 of us actually, the healer, the dk, and me, all 3 of us literal hate hard casting, shit, even the ret pally hates hard casting too that we ran together as
haste is good for bdk protwar and protpally
we never ever play those classes ever except healer if he has to
soon as this BDK has to use haste, hes not playing the game for some reason it seems
What do you mean? Like how? Playing without haste feels like real life running with water up to your waist
as soon as he is faced with "you have to play haste and mash your buttons" he seems to quit for some reason is the best i can possibly imagination it.
I main brew, and brew has base 1s gcd which can't be lowered, thus the no need for haste. So he'd basically not play brew because its too fast paced then?
I went into an instance as mw the other day with 3% haste. It was like playing with one hand as mw base gcd is 1.5s which is the normal base gcd. At 3% it literally slows everything down by 50% compared to brew.
You have a weird friend
you meet alot of strange people on the internet for sure
really am going crazy about the phials prices, this is from 4 days ago
Can confirm when I messed around with prot on my paladin alt
Prot pally is cool and the utility is great, but sweet jesus if pony isn't available I feel like I'm crawling around on my hands and knees to get around
deathknight should also get ride horse and attack similiar ability
and then, warrior can have lust and or standee after death
War lust would be ultimate gg
way i stated it is, have to be battle or fury stance, 100 rage cost full lust,
I'd take it in a heartbeat
Pop it w/ cooldowns and I'll have my rage back in 2 or 3 gcds
Been working on being more mindful about prioritizing ss resets over aoe and I swear half the time I'm having to dump into IP in between every attack I make
The uptime on avatar is hilarious
That's exactly what you want 
what's the best sim to run for m+, patchwerk 5 bosses?
I thought that was what dungeon slice was for
pwar doesnt have a dungeonslice apl so it's not accurate
can sim aoe kinda just do like 5 mobs for 45-1.30 min and disable all buffs like lust etc
Well it looks like I learned something today lol
yo guys, I had to reset my game's interface recently, and now I dont see people's rio scores and specs in the dungeon group finder anymore
if I remember correctly its a wa that does that
or an addon
but dont remember which
if anyone can help me out thatd be awesome
I use an addon guild pgf, think it means personal group finder? But there should be loads of addons and/or weakauras doing the same thing
Yeah pgf does something pretty similar to what youre describing
found it, this is what i meant
All credits belongs to Rayvor#2460 , thx for an amazing WA! Original WA --- Added ra
thats a good one
no more join a pug and find out, 4 warriors, 1mist monk for 16 AA
Pgf also let’s you sort on role, rio, etc.
Like: leader with at least 2400 score, keylevel 20-21, 0 tanks in grp, etc.
im always sorting by key lvl anyways or dungeon
Yup me too. But sometimes I set it to 0 tanks and 4 members so I can quickly fill that last spot
i just type in halls of valor, or, 15 if you do a number in your query, it will also show neighbouring numbers
so if only thing you type in is 15, you will see 14's and 16's as well listed
and then refresh over and over till i see one i like
3 to 5 target sim has the frostfire legs over belt and grieftorch/all-totem over whetstone.
Hey all! Can anyone help me? I have a tendency to lose aggro when pakcs are spread (i.e. HoV pack 1, AV pack 3 <the trees>) Can anyone explain to me what the best way to get and keep aggro on these spread packs is?
Guys I got a question, I got the ruby whelp shell. Bloodmallet says for 3 targets I should go the AoE proc but for 5 targets haste is better. I only do m+, what do you suggest?
anyone tanked M Brood yet?
thunderclap em all
and once grouped po cds
im gonna be too, we start progression on wed. u getting externals for the tank buster?
in p2
we hit p2 like once, we've only had a night of prog on her
but there's no CDs assigned for me
or do you know of a video i can watch from a warr perspective on tanking it? since DK can just AMS every 2nd soak
it'll be DK solo/DK and me for every tank buster
u can double soak it?
targeting and focusing my kick to make it foolproof -- Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/ollytvhd
yes, it's only 400k dmg now
appreciate it
should always have something for it
this video looks like the warr takes 2 in a row
Our tank died on progress the other day and i took 4 in a row
died soon after the 4th, but not the actual hit
what did u use? or did u get pumped with externals?
I asked for externals yeah and i was playing double shield wall
think i had nothing on first, sac bark second, bark third with wall, and then wall with sac from out ret
something like that
i guess its physical dmg, i aint overly looked into it yet haha but being asked too check shit so they can assign externals for every 2nd one i take
wait, cant be since DK AMS it
Nature damage
ok, so spell block with SR will work nicely then
are we on 10.0.5 or are we on an earlier build, and then when is 10.0.7 supposed to be in relation to that
we are in 10.0.5
apparently we are getting some VRS stuff in 10.0.7, tldr, magic makes computer render it faster some how?, its for sure a wizard did that stuff
realised the nature damage is the circle and that video doesnt show 2 cause the other tank is AMS and negating that ability. makes sense
I'm tanking Broodkeeper mythic (boss tank) tonight as our MT is off. Any chance for some input on the build? I kinda want to have both Punish and Battle-scared Veteran (seeing I'm not fully optimized for tanking), but struggling to find the talent points for it.
What do you guys use for Broodkeeper?
Not sure if it's optimal, but I wanted to find a point for battle-scared veteran
u drop BB
take tough as nails
u also drop ITF and take HR as boss tank wants full block
u wont have it otherwise
Great, thanks!
ok so according too the google doc on here the p2 mechanic is spell blockable 😮
u dont need it
it got nerfed
yeah i know, but still negates the dmg right
so i can make it easier
not like the cost of ToN is big
i mean spell block isnt a negate
u still take damage
and u have SW for everyone anyway
or should
yeah i will be taking every 2nd so near 2 mins apart
but, having both up will hugely minimise the dmg.
just trying too entertain the RL at this point ngl

so you saying SW is enough for all? she ssaying the damage increases with every cast
i mean u SR and SW everyone
and its not like u solo soak anymore
like melee can soak it till like 8 stacks
its got nerfed into the ground
yeah thats what i said originally too her
but seems too think ill need externals for every 2nd one i take
whats your co tank?
monk
you killed it ig?
twice now
if melee dont soak at all and i solo soak, can still take with SW and SR easily or?
i dunno
our melees soakk
cause it got nerfed
🤷
never had to solo soak
might just be me my cotank and rogues at the end
but i dont really pay attention to it
Nokud offensive, warspears on the trash for dragon boss
I've never tracked it or been told it's a big deal
Is that the sleeper group killer ?
I usually just watch for rally, and the shout
But someone told me the spear is also a big deal
it has a ranged charge with a nasty bleed, also a melee bleed
Don't they charge whoever stands the furthest away ?
Double bleed debuff ticks already on 21 fort pretty strong.
U got charged as tank ? Hmm either u were too far away or the theory is wrong
it has 2 separate bleed spell
Druid with vortex helps and cc general. But with stuns u need to be pretty fast once they charge
WA that tracks trash spells helps a lot 🙂
Depending on the distance i pre throw storm bolt so that one gets insta stunned once he charges
But on a 21 fort it's still possible to heal
Personals etc
...it has nothing to do with tracking, we're not talking about the charge, thats a ranged mechanic, we're talking about the uninterruptable cast, you can out range it, but its not that reliable unless youre constantly moving, which isnt ideal for those packs
you will pick up a stack or two natrually
even higher in the double warspear packs
you can dwarf it tho
Ah okay. Well 21 fort wasn't enough to be that noticable I guess ^^'
I think this is how it works indeed. Or at least it prefers ranged for sure.
what is the best trinket combination for m+ rn
Does ravager put out any threat?
It's damage from an entity that's not your character, so I thought it might not
its not like heroic throw / taunt though that "generates high amount of threat"
2 priests arguing about mas dispell
without 4 set are we still strong, but 4 set just makes us unkillable
nah, this was at boss 2, and we killed the big blue dude, and then a huge pack after that and uhhhh
lemee see
what is there to even mass dispel / interrupt on those packs lol
thats like the frogs n shit
ye the rng is called u didnt interupt
probably should have just stayed LOS tbh
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if a spell casting mob has a wall in the way, it will have to go around the wall, you can use this on any wall or pillar
somebody got aggro, which is why i went out
its a moving bar below their hp
What's the best way to sim for mythic broodkeeper when you're on add duty, is it hectic add cleave with 4 bosses?
ah, my interupts is low, we did the frontal section with the purple rock men good though
Spell block For Aa this week?
at what point do we want to take Sudden Death over Show of Force in raid?
For COS miniboss Gerenth the Vile (before last boss), does protwar have to help cc or can i leave it to others
you have 3 stops so why wouldnt you
oh ok, I was running the wowhead AOE raid talents on all bosses but Terros in raid
"This setup is oriented toward more mobility talents, raid utility, and AoE damage. It is the more generically-useful of the two raid builds. It functions well against periodic packs of adds or sustained cleave."
98% of the encounter is killing singular targets
sounded like ocasional adds and you default to it
ST says specifically for ST fights. which is only terros
kinda
ok thanks, ill look over everything now
reading through the talents that change I do see your point
need transmog ideas for prot...........
wow complete disc
thanks bro
having trouble learning when to stop using Revenge to use Ignore Pain.. in my head i keep shield block and i keep hitting and getting rage lol much time playing fury maybe
gotta pad on dathea platforms tho 
Yo, got a mate that's returning to the game and he's in the mood for tanking.
He's the kinda guy that doesn't really care about minmaxing or reading up too much, just wants to blast some low m+ for fun.
So I'm looking for the most passive/"easy mode" build for his prot warr, dps is not a concern really.
Would this fit that description: BkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIQAAAAgkkEJJk0SKJJpARgU0EClkEgIQCFEJkIBhAAAAAAAASCAoUaAgA
?
The fewer buttons the better basically
tanking is not passive ez mode
nah he got the warri itch, idk
hes really gunna stuggle
thanks bro you always help a lot
with BT and no Ravager
if your friend just wants to do low keys thats generally fine as it doesnt really matter
switch this talent tho
its not optimal but if the goal id to minimize buttons that works
should really do that
but u should really encourage him to play ravager and roar
its far better
than wasting points
even if he doesnt press them on cd
roar best then spear for beginners @jagged pier ? im a beginner too
mby see what we can do, it's been a few years for him.
yes
But ty for the tip
you can make a talent tree to I see the best options for beginners? or good for learning... actually using spear+ravager

using that from pins and swaping nails to spell block sometimes dungeon to dungeon
thats not in the pins
disrupting shout seems great but never used
yall think its okay to do a macro for heroic throw and shield slam so they work whenever are out and in of range?
seems better now
You guys running spell block in sbg? That pack before first boss just deleted me.
I just got it on pummel, to make it multipurpose and cross spec 
oh works
👍
u can just kite
just stun them. rotate your 2 solo stuns then use your 2 aoe stuns then spell reflect then either kite or use wall
newbie question. every non-boss monster run away from intimidating shout? never used and always afraid spread to much mobs
i storm bolt first one then sheild charge 2nd then shockwave on third then intimidating should on 4th
only undead and very specific mobs are inmune to it but yeah if they are affected they will run. most of the time theres so much cleave you can just freely use it as a cast int tho. throw a clap after just in case
when I use clap/hit mobs they stop run? sorry very new to that content lol
damage breaks the fear
dmg breaks the fear effect
I run SB every key. Stuns, defensive and externals for that pack on fort.
thanksssssssss that helped a lot
why does my lariat keep procing vers
it procs the element of your gems
Vers gems
if you have large haste small vers gem, it procs vers
my lariat for example procs crit
cuz i use fire gems
so what gem should we be using
youre using the correct gems
small haste gems
which means, you have less haste on your gear, but then get a haste proc
all you do is trade perma haste on gear vs haste proc
you cant have both
you have a chance to proc haste or vers
so what gems should i be using
Specifically, lariat procs based on the LOWER of the two stats on the gem
^
if you want the haste proc, instead of having large haste gems, you'll have to socket 70vers +33haste
or 70crit+33 haste
whatever floats your boat
that's weird
no thats just how it works
Lol
I think it works fine and makes sense tbh
It's part of Blizzard's deliberate strategy to move away from "one stat to rule them all"
Alright. And how do you handle the last two elementals on 20+ fort?
Let the group line of sight I guess?
thats never has been the case is was just BFA s4 that made ppl think that
u didnt even need to stack vers that season
just something the community did to themselves
If you got ranged, tank midroom. Ya got melee tank by a doorway. Rally the first set.
Well S4 as a tank was either TD7 or verse amp/invincibility, both were amazingly fun, lol.
I just wish they hadn't capped TD target count in pvp.
TD prenerf was BiS
Nothing more amazing than ashran as a tank proccing TD.

Delete the whole team in mid.
Watching a paladin charge at you, full speed in bubble, glowing like the rainbow. Good times
Thanks. I just did that in a 20 and clarified before we started. When I pulled one of the melees was like "wHy aRe We NoT dOiNg NoRmAl?". Was wondering if I'm just retarded for tanking them at the entrance.
Normal is at the exit, the alcove that turns into the way onwards
you have to use air gems for haste
Just step into the corner and the blueberries follow you, twist around and done
its on wowhead
Oh. Ok yeah I'm actually retarded.
Thanks for your help.
My favorite part about S4 BFA vers stacking was all the DHs that lost that in SL. Holy shit they died so much without their vers corruptions!
Havoc in particular.
whats prio for upgrading crafted? shield then wep right?
Shield is alpha an the omega. Life and death.
whats the best way to live the 2nd boss in ruby? wall the 1st, external 2nd, and then?
or
dwarf and evoker in group
First IP/demo+dispell, 2nd wall-ip, 3rd demo IP dispell, 3rd LS IP, then dispell, then wall again.
Lust and defensives
Is anyone running sonic boom + rumbling Earth?
Low dps? Because i thought that an aoe stun every 25 sec could be fun
u dont use your utility like that
its also short CD
so u DR the mobs
so they cant be stunned when u actually want them to be stunned
and again its lower damage then TR anyway
Ok understood thanks
Anyone else run disrupting shout in nokhud, just to try and help control the elemental packs ? So many kicks required it feels
I like it there for those packs and last boss
Also thoughts on totems in those packs? Tank at them or pull away and deal with after ?
well tried that HR in few dungs, i feel like slow shiet tbh in compare with ITF
Any idea of what trinkets to rock if you are only doing m+? I'm trying for that whetstone in court, no luck sadly, not sure what to pair it with though
I am using the versatility seed from av with it since I don’t raid seems pretty good
Double on use feels odd. The Nokhud one might be worth.
whestone + hoof
is your best bet
if you exclusively m+ and never even want to take a chance at getting raid trinket
alright, thats probably my situation thanks
well he would have to raid a lot to actually get kurog trinket since its like 4-5 th boss what guilds go kill i beleive 5th
and totem is like only one solid from raid
I enjoy Rumbling ruby from terros
hc one is 405 or?
408 all-totem is better than anything you can get from m+
ilvl doesnt matter on raid trinkets
guess ye
nearly as much
what matters is what the trinket does
and sadly most of m+ trinkets are pretty terrible
Yea i would love that, i guess i could try raid tanking, i mostly enjoy m+ but if its that much better i may give it a go
hc raid is literally just hit red
and dont stand in swirly
if you can, try to find kurog specific groups
just go in, kill kurog, leave
gg
Yea thats probably the best bet, single out the fight
only probably is there are only 2 tanks so getting a spot will be tough
if need be, you can sign up as dps, and set lootspec to tank
Sign up as warrior tank. Suddenly the other tank had to... Go to the farm, and you get insta invited. Works every time.
oooh shit i forgot about that i will have to go dps
as an option
haven't even tried dpsing as warrior yet although i've seen them blast
God bless your innocence

i mean is that not true?
They seem to be in a good spot right now
from my point of view
yes arms and fury are rly good
Just don't compare it to the real top dogs and warrior is fine 
for 99% of the playerbase
if you know your class you will do fine
just dont watch MDI when its gonna air
because you will see the real potential of every class maxed
if there is a measuring stick people will always compare
race are important too much at high keys? racial etc
@cerulean tusk dont know what bs u talk about, on 2/8 bosses arms is king, on rest of 6+ he is super decent above average, comparing to the top of the top, and if we are talkming about normal humans normal palyers or lets say rly rly decent around 85-95 parser ,war is again above average super solid
i've seen a bunch of cheesing with meld, obviously not a must have by any means but changes a lot strats
cool story bro. Sadly if ya ain't top, ya brought for the buff. This is da way - no matter how solid average. Top is 
Do you think Signet of Titanic Insight is worth to craft? Or better to farm Thunderous Downburst Ring?
you want melandrus and eranog ring
melandrus I have already
you can craft ring if you want, its not a bad craft
and it comes with guaranteed socket, so thats cool
i dunno wtf happend, but i ran AV 14, and healer complained about hunter at end, then right as key ends they remove me from key lol lol
its like, we timed it at least had 1 dumb wipe
thanks bro
Dwarf was nuts because of the insane number of awful bleeds and other effects in SLands
Even then it wasn't that important
There aren't that many horrendous ones that dwarf racial totally fixes. Crawth is nice, but that beak comes out constantly
Severing Slice on axes is GOATed w/ dwarf racial
Can't think of many more
Im looking the more cool visual race lol always playing belf/orc now Im looking for new things
dwarf
Vulpera
dwarf looks great tbh but im always playing female... not great
Only problem with female dward is pretty mych every weapon shield combo clips unless wep goes to back
dont remember dwarf racial
idc about clipping
their shields and weapons are larger than male dwarf, therefor, better
especially the shield
biggest downside of male dwarf is the downsized shield and oversized boots
If you want looks. Nelf is the only way.
bleed*
dwarf > nelf
Nelf got SM, nelf wins again.
No, nelf is better, cooler and far more badass.
wrong opinion detected smh my head
Nelf moves like they have a stick up their ass
It’s weird and offputting
Same with human
Nelf look terrible
I will say female nelf and female human are better of both races
If I had to be them
https://gyazo.com/1b9aea11b1f4d848a747d779bb7ba1ed it goes a bit potatoe quality here, but this is the transmog i've settled on, for now.
I wish Blizzard would bring Gladiator stance back sword and board dps spec sounds like fun
No.
Badiator was trash.
Or well have it as a fourth spec
They have a hard enough time balancing the specs they have and you want more?
That or well have passives that drastically change playstyle. Id rather have that than having more and more button bloat
there's just less demand for a sword and board dps spec vs. putting that effort into new shit
Hey now, gladiator stance was a fking treasure
I 100% understand their reasons for removing it,
But I'll always be in favor of re-adding it to the game
Theres already specs i cant play anymore because of how much binds they need, minor fine motor skill impairment so if the button bloat continues there will no classes left im able to play
cope
Frost Dk already has the option of having two playstyles in one spec, i want that for all specs
seethe
RLP 2nd boss.
Hi, how do you manage the -65% heal on Diurna HM ? Do you kite her ?
Hello! I rent more to put 2 gems celeridad and one of versatility or all of celerity in the elemental lariat?
(I'm not war btw, i'm just the RL trying to understand why our tank got shredded every single times when he had debuff ^^' )
keep shield block up
They probably weren't putting SR up for the claw
SR ? 🙂
Spell reflect, the damage is half phys half magic
It won't deflect the magic portion but it's a flat 20% dr off the hit
thats also helpfull
Can someone check the log to see where the mistakes might be ?
link em
i just use eye for everytthing
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RwnG2PgdXq91MNjD#fight=16&type=damage-taken here's the log, thanks 😄
Is it worth ever using ruby whelp shell when I have grieftorch and whetstone?
i wouldnt
70% blocked hits isn't really good enough, especially when you're just solo tanking one boss
i dont know the downtime on the fight but he has 33 cpm
which is like half whats considered normal
if you're boss tank, there's like no downtime
How can this be improved ? 🙂
Ideally, send the warrior here and we'll give the rundown on how to play right haha
Press Shield Block more
press everything more tbh
He's really bad in english, and I know him, he's too lazy to do the work to correct himself ...
He's not taking it seriously IMO, always a bit too nonchalant, but there is one issues, he's also the GM :v
i mean not much use trying to help someone who doesn't wanna be helped
new plan: find a different guild
Find a new guild
doesn't matter what we tell you to tell him if he's not gonna care about putting in the work
more shield block, DR the claws with spell reflect. He goes sometimes 20 seconds without any ignore pain. It looks like he isnt even casting that much, like standing there idle
I agree, but as a RL it's my job to at least try haha
At the bare minimum if he's tanking boss he needs to take heavy repercussions, every death shield block is falling off before he dies
Without it he's going to have shield block gaps
I see ITF on mine


