protection

[thick rivet]

got deleted today by tjs last pack 🥲

250 ping debuff makes it so hard to spell reflect on time

[pallid fulcrum]

do we ever use devestate?

[pallid fulcrum]

oooo

sorryjust leveling one fresh

saw the icy veins rotation and it didnt have devestate was wondering why cause right now the tool tip for it is more dmg than revenge for ST xD

thank you so much!

[thick rivet]

oh idk if it's good for leveling

I've never leveled as warrior

I just know we never press it at max since it's replaced

[pulsar iron]

Hey! What would you recommend to craft at 70 with the 5 sparks for a fresh alt ?

[rough egret]

Shiled, weap, lariat, FFbet, and

Last is up to what you miss

Ring is nice

[pulsar iron]

Belt over Helm even though not planing to raid (and getting Eranog ring) ?

And on which item do u recommend to put food buff ?

[fading prawn]

What is ffbet?

[rough egret]

Frost fire belt

[unkempt lynx]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=367618/unstable-frostfire-belt

[fading prawn]

Ahh tyty

[rough egret]

I have food buff on ring

[vital oak]

Only time it will really matter is if you run DPS sometimes, then don't put it on your sword/shield.

[pulsar iron]

Ok many thanks to both

[tepid raptor]

just got the trinket horn of valor

i got a 372 one

it gives vers so, might be good?

idk

[thin canyon]

is it worth to craft 2 x 2h weapon?

[sick sentinel]

gunna be completely done with maruuk rep by end of next week

tuskar, im gettin there but im still behind

[uncut dome]

I main arms, but considering tanking some keys aswell when we are full grp is 1h or shield most important?

Got my 5 spark

[sick sentinel]

yes, shield weapon first if you want to tank

from there, pepega choice reallyu

[uncut dome]

I only got 1 sparkl

hence shirled or wep first

what is most important

[amber siren]

Shield, it's your only source of block

[uncut dome]

Thanks!

[sick sentinel]

both is about equal, but its whatever you need more that you won't get for a while, shield is good cuz then you just slap haste on it and your done, not alot of haste shields this expansion

shields are very slow mind you

[uncut dome]

Slow?

[sick sentinel]

i have to imagine big metal/wooden shield is pretty cumbersome in battle

[craggy pilot]

for 20 Fort on TJS 3rd boss

a Spell Blocked Jade Frontal should be enough for one of them no?

i guess i can only Spell Block the initial hit, not the dot 🤔

[sweet summit]

only initial hit, yes

[craggy pilot]

i did Shield Wall for first hit

Spell Block for 2nd hit

and just straight up died

is that mainly a healing thing?

[sweet summit]

one heal

iv?

ls?

[craggy pilot]

was saving LS for 3rd one

[rough egret]

[sweet summit]

[uncut helm]

It's a healing absorb. Erga has the right idea. If you remove the absorb then the healer has time to top you off. Unless you are actually dying to the hit it's usually the follow up killing you.

[sweet summit]

lol

1 heal

[craggy pilot]

i think i did use my IV a bit weird time

[sweet summit]

healer afk or?

[craggy pilot]

think he was using Time Dilation thinking that would be enough

idk

[sweet summit]

xdd

[craggy pilot]

in details, if i wipe on 3rd boss Jade 2 times, it looks like it overwrites the segment 🤔

so cant see what i died to the first time 😦

[sweet summit]

logs

[tacit solstice]

Heals doesn't show on death log since absorb

[craggy pilot]

ah yea makes sense

how much does it absorb on +20 Fort?

hmm looks like 350k hit + 350k absorb + 80k x8 dot 🤔

something like that

so 1.3mil dmg pr hit 🙂

[rough egret]

soo sim for 5T is telling me to use double onuse trinkets, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/itVN6jrF9Wyhv8XPa4QTKs
im used to play only with one.. need to adress some keybind to it 😄

[craggy pilot]

does LS count as a heal for TJS Absorb? 🤔

[rough egret]

yes

[craggy pilot]

so i should use it after the hit hits, so it helps on the absorb

not prio to the hit

[sick sentinel]

it is indeed a heal

that heal is roughly equal to a 2 star healing potion, but the CD is lower and LS is just better, one of those heals for the same amount (110k after removing overheal) probably 3 star hp potion at 410+ ilvl

[quartz veldt]

is there a "softcap" for when you should stop getting haste for prot?

[jagged pier]

40% with no buffs

[marsh forge]

Those paladin sleepers must be laughing at all these buffs atm

[sick sentinel]

Hpal tree feels bloated to me

but im just a shit tanky boi

[marsh forge]

More prot

[tacit haven]

New or old tree? Is the new tree out even?

Hpal tree currently is “dodge the caster talents”

[heady sapphire]

is there some DF weakaura for stuff cleansable with the dwarf racial?

[cobalt mesa]

how important is it to be a dwarf to push 23 + ?

[sick sentinel]

new, new for DF, just feels like there is sooooooo many things you can put points into towards bottom

im not versed in healer or paladin though, that dont help

[uneven mason]

Funny point, during bfa ls heal could crit

[lofty widget]

not important

[sick sentinel]

well like, what is it makes hpals casting bar bad, but not say hpriest or, i dont even know what does a casting bar mw monk?

[cobalt mesa]

I have troubles on some bosses such as Crawth, playing as war/druid so no bleed dispells

in +24 i'm getting slammed

[sick sentinel]

i can tell you for fact that some disc priests are really good, some rdruids are really goo,d everything else healer is meh

[lofty widget]

ultimately its up to you if its worth 20 dollars or whatever it costs, but you can get by just fine without being dwarf

[sick sentinel]

i've already lost all my quest progress switching to horde once..... i cant endure ignore that pain once again.

NOT happen, 200% never gunna happen

[daring marlin]

lol

[uneven mason]

Your healer knows that the bleed is going to destroy you?

[strong forum]

Reroll bdk for AA , that class doesn't give a fuck about anything

[slim dove]

It's fun watching bdk deal with the mechs that make me sweat by pressing death strike once

[pallid fulcrum]

how often do prot warriors use rend?

[strong forum]

Never

You apply it with thunderclap automatically

[pallid fulcrum]

oh damn

thats awesome

[strong forum]

Bdk legit gonna be meta in most keys after their dmg buffs

[pallid fulcrum]

sorry new prot warrior here swapping from fury

[strong forum]

They're better in 6/8 keys, issue is just bshout and rally at that point

[slim dove]

just play arms i guess

[sick sentinel]

every. single. time. i log in. it's there, how do i make it go away

[slim dove]

still say warrior needs lust unironically.

[round pendant]

It's sad because bdk is boring as hell to play

and I got some fat trinkets on my prot now

[sick sentinel]

lust castaable only by fury warrior in fury stance, costs 100 rage

[round pendant]

so switching to Arms and going BDK for tanking is just a huge time sink for me but I do want the easiest time in dungeons

[sick sentinel]

makes you beserker when you hit it

[round pendant]

Honestly, giving warrior a mini-lust as part of their rotation could be fun

1% haste per 10 rage spent (up to your entire bar) 3 minute cooldown

[uneven mason]

After the arms buffs we might just see a lot of pal/dru/bdk tanks running DPS war

[round pendant]

I was watching Dorki play brew last night

kinda looked fun

[uneven mason]

Brew is the most challenging tank for sure this season

[sick sentinel]

if hes doing the stomp build, shoots out like a blue flower every 45s, that shit is fun

[uneven mason]

Brm secret slapper

[sick sentinel]

that felt really nice for tanking the entire monk thing, was fun

[plucky wyvern]

is there a macro you can make to switch from defensive stance to battle stance and vice versa?

like all in one keybind cause i cant find it on the guides

[round pendant]

yes but just camp bstance

/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance```

[plucky wyvern]

do you not go defensive when you are making a big pull in m+

?

[round pendant]

hell naw

Maybe on the last pull of TJS

[plucky wyvern]

but i feel i am flopping outside of shieldwall/demo shout

do you just spam ignore pain and facetank

?

[round pendant]

What level keys?

[plucky wyvern]

20+

like in the yard of 3rd boss the haunting gaze+dark claw fucks me up

[round pendant]

It's rough but I've not done a key that high yet so maybe I'm clueless

[pallid fulcrum]

is revival catalyst shared among all chars or char specific?

[ocean bloom]

Spell block for that dungeon is pog

[plucky wyvern]

all

[pallid fulcrum]

sads

no wonder no quest on my alt warr

[round pendant]

sads? that's a good thing

[plucky wyvern]

the one that lasts for 20sec?

[strong forum]

You can't survive those mobs without CDs

You just can't

[round pendant]

I'm pretty sure you get 1 charge for EACH char each time you complete the quest, no?

[strong forum]

D-stance isn't gonna save you from the 1shots they cast

[pallid fulcrum]

1 charge each char?

[plucky wyvern]

you complete the quest once and you get one charge on all chars

[pallid fulcrum]

i cant seem to find the quest on my alt

[round pendant]

I bring double shield wall + Spell Block to TJS

[plucky wyvern]

and future chars that you might make

[pallid fulcrum]

@plucky wyvern OH

[strong forum]

You only have to do the quest once per week

[round pendant]

You don't need the quest, you can just go spend the charge on all your chars

[pallid fulcrum]

damn

HOT DAMN

[strong forum]

Not once per character

[pallid fulcrum]

thanks yall

[strong forum]

Once per account

[sterile bough]

based on a fact taht diffrence between 20 and 24 is 40% dmg then I guess u can on 20

[strong forum]

It's not 40%

That's not how math works

[pallid fulcrum]

is whetstone not good for warriors?

[sterile bough]

ye its 46%

[ocean bloom]

yeah it works on dark claw and the other tank buster ability, i rotate Spellblock into WAll into run 🙂

[pallid fulcrum]

see alot of ruby life pools BiS gear for m+

[strong forum]

Whetstone is really good

[strong forum]

Huh?

[uneven mason]

Wat

[round pendant]

My aoe burst damage with whetstone is nuts I love it

[strong forum]

Whetstone is a an ST trinket tho

Not aoe

[round pendant]

I refuse to use boon

[strong forum]

Well yeah

Boon will kill you

[pallid fulcrum]

i meant for trinks

[slim dove]

ignore that.

[plucky wyvern]

do you ever go defensive stance or is that not a thing even in high keys?

[uneven mason]

You use it like any other cd

[pallid fulcrum]

might be dumb question, but loot spec for prot should stay prot right? cause when i'm blood dk loot spec should be unholy lmao

[round pendant]

Nah some dungeons you might want a dps drop like Whetstone from CoS

[ocean bloom]

yeah, but its usually for rotations like 3rd boss, where if you dont have any other CD you pop Dstance and get IP stacked up and prayge

[sterile bough]

ye on 25+ I would casue everything can one shot u there

[round pendant]

have a look at the loot from dungeons and see what you want, set loot spec accordingly

[round pendant]

but why?

[sterile bough]

and ye Im able to live eveyrthing but say I stop paying attention to my health bar and mobs casts casue Im focused on kicking next important cast

and then I die in 0,3 sec

[uneven mason]

Read it

[pallid fulcrum]

so what trinks are BiS for us for M+ in general?

[round pendant]

it's split evenly?

[strong forum]

It does split dmg

[uneven mason]

You should have everything important near your characters ass in a WA or other UI setup

[strong forum]

Icon + group also having icon
All-totem
Whetstone

Grieftorch aswell

[pallid fulcrum]

damn so our trinks are mostly from raid eh

[strong forum]

Yes

[plucky wyvern]

is ruby whelp shell fully haste stacked any good for prot since we use haste?

[strong forum]

It's aight

[sterile bough]

it is decnet, but not consistant

[plucky wyvern]

i have 411 NO trinket and 408 kurog trinket

[strong forum]

ST proc is more consistent as it always gives its value

[plucky wyvern]

was thinking about replacing kurog one

[strong forum]

Get rid of granyth scale

That thing is awful

All-totem is bis

[plucky wyvern]

oh really?

[ocean bloom]

Kurog is a pog trinket

[strong forum]

Don't replace it lol

[plucky wyvern]

granyth is actually bad?

[strong forum]

It's terrible

[round pendant]

All-Totem is super good

[plucky wyvern]

80k shield sounded good to me

[uneven mason]

Defensive trinkets are universally trash this xpac

[strong forum]

80k....

And you have how much hp?

[plucky wyvern]

488k

[uneven mason]

Half an IP on a CD...

[round pendant]

I did use burgeoning seed for a little bit

[strong forum]

And that doesn't make you think its trash?

[round pendant]

which is significantly better than granyth scale imo

but still doodoo

[strong forum]

Both m+ tank trinkets are hot garbage

[plucky wyvern]

i was thinking i die so shield is a +

[round pendant]

Have you tried dying less

[plucky wyvern]

nope

[strong forum]

It procs once a minute

For 80k

[marble cipher]

If that shield is the difference between living or dying, something else is wrong

[round pendant]

So if Whetstone is ST, what's a good aoe trinket for m+ since it's fortified, or are none of them that good?

[strong forum]

FYI, even if it was 160k it would be trash

[strong forum]

None that would beat whetstone

[plucky wyvern]

cheers for the help man will look into replacing it

[strong forum]

Rumbling Ruby is a good aoe trinket

But on average does about the same as whetstone

But whetstone isn't useless on bosses, whereas Ruby is

[round pendant]

I did a +16 SBG last night with my whetstone and it did like 7.5% of my damage

Ruby usually did like 2.5-3%

[strong forum]

Yeah now subtract 3-4% from whetstone

Cuz it's mastery instead of strength

Then you have the real value of whetstone

[round pendant]

It makes sense

[strong forum]

The best aoe trinket for a tank is all-totem

And the best m+ tank trinket is also all-totem

[plucky wyvern]

lol

[round pendant]

Yeah it does work

Should I run grieftorch + whetstone in raid?

[strong forum]

Yes

That's mega bis for raid

[round pendant]

I hope to pump some fat numbers tonight boosting my friend through hc

last week I had none of these trinkets lmao

Literally got grieftorch and whetstone in one day

[frank dust]

what do u think is a good ilvl to tank mythic

[strong forum]

Those trinkets should prove to be a good 5-8k dps increase then

[sterile bough]

does any1 know if its a bug?

https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyVenomousElephantGingerPower-m7qrceTSnDk0sAkT

[round pendant]

mythic or m+, either way like 360+ ilvl is fine to start since the dungeons are braindead til like +10

[frank dust]

like mythic raid

[strong forum]

No clue

Mythic raid 395 should be enough for first 2

[round pendant]

That'll put me in like 95th percentile on all my kills

[strong forum]

Neat

[frank dust]

holy

ok bet

im closer than i thought lmao

[strong forum]

It's enough to do them

[round pendant]

oh mythic raid lmao

[strong forum]

But getting invited is another question

[frank dust]

i mean my guild raids mythic so

and im the tank

[strong forum]

Ah yeah then easy

[frank dust]

i was just swapping from bear to warrior cuz bear kinda

sus

[round pendant]

Isn't it designed for ~5 ilvl less than the reward ilvl?

[strong forum]

Nah

Echo cleared the raid with like 404 ilvl

Surely, if just the tank is piss ilvl, you'll be able to get quite far

[frank dust]

depends on if they dont die but i mean

makes sense

[strong forum]

Also, why reroll pwar now

[round pendant]

I wonder how much ilvl affects not-dying as a tank tbh

[frank dust]

i dont think warrior is the hardest tank but im also new to it so idk the like ins and outs

[sterile bough]

and not nerfed bosses

[strong forum]

Bdk and brew are much better for later bosses

Like infinitely better

Than pwar

[frank dust]

our tank was 397 dh doing first 2 mythic and he wasnt dropping health

[strong forum]

Yeah cuz first 2 do nothing

Literally 0

[frank dust]

tru

[strong forum]

First boss that does a modicum of tank dmg is uuuh....

Diurna

Probably

[frank dust]

i think by the time we start getting farther tho ill e high enouigh

[plucky wyvern]

@strong forum do you ever think dstance is needed for +20keys or better to stay bstance and spam ignore pains?

[round pendant]

pwar got that fat absorb damage on raz tho

[strong forum]

I dont go into d-stance

[round pendant]

I love hitting 300k+ on that shield

[strong forum]

Like, I won't to into d-stance more frequently outside of very specific scenarios until like idk 24/25s

[frank dust]

also is it worth pugging raid for gear or would it just be better to do m+ or guilds alt night

[strong forum]

I've pugged hc raid for first 3 weeks until I had all the trinkets and 4pc

[round pendant]

I really need the ring from hc eggnog

am stuck with 395 one

[strong forum]

Do mythic

[frank dust]

do you think 380 is enough for heroic?

[strong forum]

Yeah

I did hc week1 with pugs with 385

[round pendant]

What even changes on eggnog mythic? it's just that there's 2 add walls right?

[strong forum]

Just the 2 add walls

And 1 big add to interrupt

[round pendant]

lmao mythic content btw

[strong forum]

Council is exactly the same as lfr

This raid is insanely easy

[frank dust]

nah lfr is miles worse

[swift mulch]

Its more if a "healing" check

[strong forum]

The only thing mythic is, is just more health and dmg intake

[round pendant]

I feel like everything is just designed to make healers suffer nowadays

in my hc raids it's usually the healers getting replaced making it so much easier

[frank dust]

maybe thats just bad healers

[round pendant]

On brood and raz

[swift mulch]

There are so many bad healers rn

Thats why

[round pendant]

We kept dying on raz even tho everyone was doing the mechanics

kicked 3/4 healers and replaced them with druids

did it first try with those guys

[frank dust]

before yesterday i thought gearing was going to be a pain

but i was wrong

likeu can just run 11's over and over and get 392 gear

[pallid fulcrum]

what's the go to gems and stats for elemental lariat?

[round pendant]

Downside: You're running 11s

[frank dust]

true but if you cant do higher keys because of ilvl its good

[round pendant]

Just run whatever because valor uncaps next reset

gearing is gonna be so ezpz

[frank dust]

oh true

i forgot about that

[round pendant]

I need to run AA to get that potion-stained cloak

[pallid fulcrum]

is primal long sword BiS?

[round pendant]

Strike Twice at same ilvl, otherwise highest ilvl

is what I've heard

so primal is pretty good as you can pick stats

[pallid fulcrum]

interesting

i have 3 sparks idk if i should craft

thinking lariat, belt and sword?

[round pendant]

what's your current gear?

[pallid fulcrum]

it's crap, 371 lmao

craft right

[round pendant]

lariat belt and sword is what I did

and shield eventually too

[pallid fulcrum]

was it neck that we needed to capture elemental

[round pendant]

belt

it sucks but I think they made it easier

[frank dust]

is belt worth crafting then

[gloomy turret]

Shield over sword imo

Lariat, belt, shield

[round pendant]

Belt's worth crafting if you get the ring from eggnog

[round pendant]

I guess the proc's good on its own too

[sick sentinel]

yeah, shield before weapon for me

[round pendant]

tru

[frank dust]

so what do you need to get belt

[uncut dome]

You guys think we gonna loose the nr 1 spot?

To prot palas?

[sick sentinel]

nah

[uncut dome]

Interrestiong

[pallid fulcrum]

new prot here

how often we press ignore pain?

[amber siren]

It's a rage dump so as often as you need to not cap

[cinder nova]

The only time outside of that is to pad big incoming hits.

Like big, obviously-timed tank busters.

The less your HP spikes the better, and you'll have enough rage to get close to or at cap if you're managing it correctly during most fights.

[pallid fulcrum]

thank you

coming from dk

pretty weird not self sustaining as much haha

as a dk my health spikes but i know how much i can sustain

[dreamy root]

What's the logic behind shield over weapons? For crafts

[pallid fulcrum]

shield block should never be fully stacked reight

[strong forum]

shield is the main reason why pwar is tanky

[frank dust]

lmao i just got the eranog ring

100 roll and got kicked cuz i "cant use it"

[pallid fulcrum]

shield of the hearth or primal molten defeneder?

[tame jasper]

ilvl

[unkempt marsh]

which gems did you guys socket into lariat?

im thinking vers-haste gems that proc haste would be good

bc i'd rather have base versa and proc haste

[lofty widget]

high crit/vers+low haste

and a mainstat gem if you dont have one yet

[amber siren]

Get defender, hearth uses an embellishment slot

[round pendant]

I hate how I have to wait for my cooldowns on training dummies

[sick sentinel]

well, did u get the loot, if u got the loot, u won

i mean, if u dint, oh well try again

[frank dust]

yea but

pugs ig

why do i feel rage starved

am i trolling

[ocean bloom]

are you pressing SS enough

[frank dust]

SS?

[ocean bloom]

shield slam

[frank dust]

im new to the spec idk abbreviations

on cooldown

at least i think

[tropic tangle]

spamming IP too much? not enough revenge for SS resets?

[frank dust]

i might be spamming ip too much

but i feel like im dying a lot

[cloud umbra]

are you using barbaric training talent?

[ocean bloom]

in raid everything i do is trying to reset SS and not overcap rage

[lofty widget]

best way to tell is to log

[tropic tangle]

yep, also depends what talents you're using

if you feel like you're dying, are you keeping Shield Block up?

[frank dust]

i believe im keeping it up

or at least decently well

prolly not like enough but

[tropic tangle]

sb is what makes you tanky as a warr

[frank dust]

mm

so prio it over everything else

[ocean bloom]

just gotta log really for us to help more

[tropic tangle]

it's your first prio, having SB up and facing mobs

[cloud umbra]

SB 100% is #1 prio

[ocean bloom]

SB should be near 100% uptime

[frank dust]

ah ok ok

thnak you

[cloud umbra]

even when not taking damage

because it gives you damage

[frank dust]

i kinda forgot how to log ngl

and no one in this group is

oh yea ok my shield block was 62%

[cloud umbra]

its hard to tell with details

[lofty widget]

#protection message

[cloud umbra]

logs will tell you what % of your melee hits were blocked

[ocean bloom]

if you are running HR you can honestly just press SB on CD and never really have issues in raid

[frank dust]

i just swapped it i was on into the fray

[ocean bloom]

esp with Shield charge

yeah imo just always run HR the minor dmg gain on ITF isnt worth the chances of you fucking up SB uptime

[cloud umbra]

ITF you can get so close.. feels like i need just a little more haste lol

[weary lodge]

Hey all, looking for some recommendations on trinkets choices. I'm running double on-use right now because they're the highest ilvl and the STR on them is great. I do have a few good options though and am considering possibly just swapping to whispering icon or Granyth's... Both are relatively low ilvl right now though. Would appreciate some input. Storm eater's boon and whispering incarnate icon are both normal raid quality

[ocean bloom]

dragon games + Icon would be my go to, decoration is pretty meh

[weary lodge]

Oh, forgot to mention, 100% M+ tanking, ~2400 rating and pushing higher

Not concerned about ST damage or raid use

[ocean bloom]

yeah id try to get a kurog trinket if you cna but icon is free stats, a lot of classes use icon

as soon as 1 dps has icon i think its worth it for you to run it

[sick sentinel]

5 tank 5 icon run

[weary lodge]

ah, most of the DPS in my main group are all runnign manic grieftorch and either whetstone or storm eaters

have a pretty consisent group of dps friends i play with

[frail bough]

Is there a point where we have diminishing returns on haste? I'm at 35% unbuffed

[ocean bloom]

yeah then id go for a kurog trinket if you can tbh. but really your trinkets are fine atm. you can sim them

[cloud umbra]

35% unbuffed damn

i didnt even think that was possible

[cloud umbra]

everyone here usually says 40%

[left beacon]

how is the strike twice weapon? is the proc even worth it at all?

[frail bough]

Is that with or without Into The Fray?

[cloud umbra]

without

[frail bough]

Ok ty

[amber siren]

Highest dps assuming equal ilvl to other weapons

[left beacon]

nice

[feral musk]

Anyone know if that broodkeeper ring is any good in keys? Only have it on 405 compaird to my eranog ring 421

Is there any sims or anything, see top players useing it at 431 but i guess it is for the massiv stats?

[amber siren]

No sims for a defensive proc

It's because it's the highest ilvl ring for the slot

The proc is just a nice to have

[feral musk]

So the proc is not why they use it

It's like 4mil healing in a key

Seams meh if im not wrong

[feral musk]

.

[amber siren]

It's pretty average

[feral musk]

So a 421 eranog ring wold prob be better?

[amber siren]

Absorbs are also meaningless if they're not absorbing anything actually meaningful

[feral musk]

True

[amber siren]

If it's your highest ilvl ring then yeah

[feral musk]

y ok, also one last

is that court ring really that good?

arcane look give alot more haste

But idk if 200 haste is better then the auto attack dmg

[patent hull]

Finally had a bottled essence drop from a m+ cache

[cloud umbra]

court ring is good because its haste crit and has the extra damage which may be small

[feral musk]

Well was thinking arane loop gives more?

Have them both at 415

[rotund thicket]

how the fuck did you have 4 mill healing, thats a 23 av

[strong forum]

Arcane loop gives more haste, less crit, and doesn't give free dmg

Melandrus has both haste crit, and free auto attack dmg

[feral musk]

soo you say court ring xd

[strong forum]

That's the takeaway, yes

[feral musk]

Idk when im at the tanking dummy it does 767k in 6min of spamming everything

So it wold be around 4,4 in a dungen

[weary lodge]

I was just going to reply, 4m seems great for a side effect of a ring... I don't get that out of the erenog trinket while using it really strategically at the start of big pulls for maximum shielding. That's an 18 SBG timed

[strong forum]

That's cuz the trinket is whack

It's better than nothing, but really nothing that will make or break your run

[rotund thicket]

dummy is weird, you should get data from a key

[south marlin]

I currently have 418 set head and a mythic head rolled with +300 leech (that i could catalyst to set head and upgrade to ilvl 415 with valor), but 3 ilvls has to beat 300 leech right?

[amber siren]

Yep

[south marlin]

cheerio

[frank dust]

ok 97% shield block now

not dying nearly

lmao

[runic hamlet]

THe last pack of temple can you kite it???

[amber siren]

Yeah it's kiteable

[runic hamlet]

omg

I was having such a hard time face tanking the last pack didnt know you can just kite

[amber siren]

Kiting isn't the first option mind you, good CD usage and spell block means you can stay in the pack longer

[runic hamlet]

wait a minute you can spell block the minos of doubt move?

[amber siren]

Nearly any spell, good list in the pins of what can be reflected and spell blocked

[runic hamlet]

OMG

ty

[hybrid fossil]

can someone explain me why you first turn right on the upper-circle in RLP to do the elemental and the three-guy group and then turn left and play whole left part? what is the reason for this?

is it BL-timing? but for what?

[strong forum]

never seen that being done

by anyone

[amber siren]

Most times Ive seen it done is for BL timing

[hybrid fossil]

BL for what? BL for the infernal + three-guy-pack on the left after storm-drake?

[amber siren]

Infernals with the 3 pack or one of the drakes

[ocean prairie]

So you never risk getting the fire drake

[hybrid fossil]

but you can skip it even if you run left immediately

[hybrid fossil]

that would make sens, yeah i thought so as well

[ocean prairie]

Yeah but if you screw up and he lands on you it is a wipe

[edgy belfry]

you can skip it from any side, easily

[ocean prairie]

It takes more time but it's safer especially if you are not too sure abojt how the dragon moves

[hybrid fossil]

the route of the red drakes stays the same, doesnt it?

[ocean prairie]

Yeah but if you go right then before the Red dragon spot you go left

[hybrid fossil]

regardless of killing the right packs first

[ocean prairie]

You avoid him entirely

[dusky canopy]

Woooo boy

Those battle axes in AA lmao

[hybrid fossil]

ah ok, because they go back after the last left-pack so you dont have to wait or shroud or whatever

[ocean prairie]

Exactly

[hybrid fossil]

ok so it makes primarily sens if dont have invis or priest with you - and you make sure to have the right % because you skip all the small guys near the red drake

thanks!

[topaz drift]

Trying to choose preferred way for tree trash pull AA, both works and unsure which i like more any thoughts (i know bigger is possible just keeping it safer). Also know the BL isnt necessary:
pat -> BL x3 trees -> pat
BL pat / 2 trees -> chain into pat / last tree pack when appropriate

[echo scarab]

Does anybody know when Icon gets better than All Totem in m+?

[amber siren]

If you're proccing with 2 (healer and a DPS) other people possibly

Otherwise it's just a vers stack stick

[sage valve]

Does anyone have a source for like... what percentage is needed before moving on to the final portions of dungeons.

Like after the bridge in HOV

[tropic tangle]

should be a WA for that

[reef holly]

84% I believe

[amber siren]

You can check the last area with an addon like MDT, like Denic said I think there's a weakaura too

https://wago.io/4pHPrk9NM but needs some configuration on your part

[echo scarab]

In HoV its 84%, the kings give 4% each

[sage valve]

Thank you!

[potent harbor]

guys in AA tree boss when he stacks thats shiert on me, is there a way to sdispel it?

i mean after u kill tree branch, green aoe comes in u dispel first but then next adds spawn and u have like 40 stacks of that and i die through triple mitigation in 20+ key

[tame jasper]

Build your route in MDT. I don't rely on the WA RM+ WA as it has fixed pulls, which you dont always play. Like in PF back in SF it didn't count the slimes in the final area which you almost ever played for buffs

[tame jasper]

U kill the branch before the germinate. for the popping adds one of the DDs should help healer to dispel.

[potent harbor]

so u cna dispel it from tank?

[amber siren]

if someone in the party can dispel poisons yes

[sick sentinel]

the green ring after the branch dies does a shockingly under-whelming amount of heal to the boss

2-4% at best, placement on the little adds for the not aliving them right away isnt impotant

[potent harbor]

who can cleanse poison? pala and priest?

or shammy

[strong forum]

monk, pala, druid, evoker iirc

[sick sentinel]

it goes per cast of small adds : asleep > awake > asleep repeate

[rough egret]

in AA at tree boss, can I go wild with pulling whole room?

[potent harbor]

explosives

[strong forum]

usually yes, but its explosive rn

so might be spice

[rough egret]

alright so rather split to 2 pulls

do the small adds triger bursting?

[strong forum]

no

[dapper vapor]

Its usually totally fine, but your group is gonna have to be on the ball moving out of the green swirlies, feel like that's what always goes wrong with the giga pull when I try it

damage you take is like 0 anyway, and the bugs are reasonable after the nerf

[rough egret]

well i would be affrait of exposoves

[empty inlet]

Feel like those skitter fucks when they get stacks

[cloud umbra]

isnt there a cap on explosives out at once?

[strong forum]

5

but that doesnt mean that the spawnrate isnt mega high with so many mobs

[heady sapphire]

how would you route in AA in low keys, and where would you lust? I am thinking of lust 1 trash pack before tree, kill mage, bl on birb boss

[uneven mason]

Legit convincing my group to move from green shit is the hardest boss

[amber siren]

On fort weeks usually double pull bridge with lust, lust crawth and then lust last boss

[rigid onyx]

As we can swap 4 pieces as Prot, any hint on the pieces you should keep ?

[grand saddle]

how does spell block mitigate exactly

is it just a chance to block damage?

[strong forum]

Spell Block works just like normal block

If you increase the block chance to 100%, you mitigate the dmg spells do

[tender quartz]

https://i.imgur.com/erAXBlY.png ACCOUNT WIDE OR RIOT

Woops wrong Discord

[sick sentinel]

sanest mythic + player

[rough egret]

send me some of the purple ones 😄

[sick sentinel]

6 to be precise

fuck it, send it all to me and the gold, gimme the gold, i want the gold

[frank dust]

how does one make gold

cuz im poor

[blazing condor]

work irl an hour

[round pendant]

Might be a dumb question, but do CDs like Avatar increase trinket damage?

[strong forum]

No

[quartz pond]

nah they didnt like that in legion

[tepid raptor]

Horn of valor or Totem of the master?

[strong forum]

Totem

[quartz pond]

what's the 40% haste breakpoint?

[strong forum]

around 7.2k haste

thats when the 20% stat DR sets in

[quartz pond]

aight thought it was more than that

[strong forum]

7.2k is fuckloads

gl getting that

[uncut dome]

can i add that food buff thingy on a shield?

[amber siren]

Yep you can

[timber forge]

any best order to tank kurog? and add prio

[loud whale]

Does it work against damage over time magic or only direct damage?

[amber siren]

Only direct, you can't block dots

[loud whale]

Probably bringing my undergeared warrior to tank alt raid tonight need to figure shit out lol

[mighty valley]

what difficulty of raid? if it's not mythic you'll be fine

if you know how to play prot warrior at all, that is

[stiff gate]

This feels like a dumb question but do you guys have any tips for gathering up large pulls? I got absolutely flattened in a 23 AA last night trying to gather up the ravager and 8 of the worms, using globals on heroic throw even with shield block just felt terrible, I died before even hitting all 8 of them. Feels like if I don’t individually hit each mob I just get ripped off of before pulling everything.

[mighty valley]

the dying part and the dps ripping aggro part are different problems

i'm guessing you turned your back to some of them if you died, or you didn't prio getting shield block up

[stiff gate]

I had shield block up but yeah I mean not sure how it’s possible to pull all of those mobs without at least some of them being behind me.

Just feels like I have to blow shield wall before pulls even start any time I’m pulling more than 5 or 6 mobs together

[mighty valley]

try and do it in big moves - pre ravager, avatar up, charge to a pack, TC, charge to another, TC, when they're grouped throw down offensive CDs

the more you're spending GCDs on heroic throw the more you're not getting aoe threat secured

but you can always strafe at full speed for adjustments without turning your back

prioritize getting the big worms and just clipping the little guys with a TC, you can always taunt/throw stragglers if you miss one

but also if it's a known big pull, the dps can hold off for, like, a second or two to let you gather them

and also there's nothing wrong with opening with shield wall, the pull is the shakiest part and getting the CD rolling is smart anyway

[stiff gate]

Lol you haven’t met my dps

Yeah I guess I’ll just roll cooldowns while gathering

[mighty valley]

shield wall will be back in one minute, no big loss

[old rampart]

In large target scenarios should i even shield slam or should i just rotate between dumping rage with revenge and thunderclap?

[pine lotus]

About to go from 405 to 418 shield, will i notice a big difference??

[mighty valley]

in huge target situations, you can drop shield slam for max dps

maxing rage gen will still be better defensively though

[old rampart]

what is "huge" 4+ 5+?

[mighty valley]

i usually don't drop shield slam until it's at like 8 with no dangerous prio targets

[old rampart]

i see

[mighty valley]

during avatar it's probably still dps optimal at like 5+ but there's almost always a target you care about killing first

[amber siren]

large enough where bloodsurge is proccing very often and youre swimming in rage basically

if the pull isn't large enough for bloodsurge to carry you in rage, you'll starve yourself anyway

[mighty valley]

the point where it's a no brainer is places like the AA tree zone, where you're basically pressing IP as fast as you can and shield slam would only overcap you anyway

[lusty narwhal]

If i had to choose between 2 stat sets what do you think is better, 378 vers/203 master OR 170 Haste/411 Mastery?

[wooden widget]

Completely out of context those numbers seem meaningless. Run a sim for dmg if they’re indeed the same ilvl.

But either combo isn’t gonna make a huge difference. That being said, I’d go haste.

[round pendant]

Should I macro my combat pot to something

🤔

Idk why but I hate consumables

[dry spear]

Battle shout

Or avatar :)

[round pendant]

avatar probably better ye

[dry spear]

Battle shout was a troll. Sorry ;)

But really i would not macro it

[steel mauve]

it would be inefficient to macro it to any thing, if you're lazy and dont care avatar would be the better choice out of cd's, but you wont get the best use out of it

[round pendant]

What's the best use out of it?

[dry spear]

Some fights need to have a dmg boost once

[amber siren]

Some fights like rasz shield you'll be saving pot for that

Easier to just keybind it than blindly macro

[steel mauve]

if lust wasnt used on pull, during lust, or if it was and there is no second lust, then when all cd's align and not just avatar, other opportunities are during specific burns if you need the extra oomph for phase pushes or raz shields or stuff like that

[dry spear]

Or put it on a bigger bar and click it

[round pendant]

I feel like p2 shields are more than 5 minutes into the fight

but never actually paid attention to that

[steel mauve]

second p2 shield ends up right after potion comes off cd

for us any ways

[amber siren]

Yep they are

Which is why if you're macroing it, depending on timing you could pot the adds or before the shield is out

Hence keybind is king

[steel mauve]

most likely at least on raz prog and shortly there fter unless you absolutely nuke phase 1, and second intermissions you can get 3 potions on thew fight

[round pendant]

I'm just tryna pad dps in hc raid

[steel mauve]

we use pre pot, potions on second shield, and we will get a third pot during last phase

[round pendant]

yeah I won't macro the pot tbh

I really need to get rid of Q being my mount button

lmfao

[steel mauve]

i use it for spell relect

[solar root]

Q is for interrupt, thought everyone know that

[round pendant]

ctrl+4 is my interrupt

lol

[steel mauve]

no, interrupt is shift E

[round pendant]

I know it's not optimal, but avatar is macro'd with blood fury

[solar root]

i use tilde for mount, really like that bind, kinda akward to press mid fight for me but a handy close button to use

[frank dust]

tab is my interrupt

[amber siren]

based

[round pendant]

I think my binds are nice

don't ask why whirlwind is on my bars

[steel mauve]

too many number binds on there for me

[solar root]

ill never understand how to use alt modifier and still move

[round pendant]

that's why I don't use alt-6 tbh

it's manageable with alt1-5

[solar root]

without it being hard & akward

[round pendant]

but 6 is like

can't move anymore

but it's just cooldowns so it's not hugely important

[mighty valley]

You’re all insane, C is for Counterspell

[solar root]

nah c is for charge

duh

says it on the letter even

[steel mauve]

i only have 4 things on alt modifiers, shield charge, combat potion, and shockwave/demo shout on alt + mouse wheel\

[solar root]

and we're not mages

[round pendant]

I should make WeakAuras for my pots and healthstone

[mighty valley]

all my interrupts across all characters are on C

C is for Cick

[solar root]

C is for Cummel ?

😮

[amber siren]

Cummel

[round pendant]

I just need to somehow remember shift-e = combat pot

[steel mauve]

alt - e as combat pot works

[round pendant]

that's nice tbh

[steel mauve]

my movement keys are shifted over though, so it helps with having more keybinds and more accessible binds

[round pendant]

alt-e = combat pot
shift-e = healthstone/health pot

[mighty valley]

this is the way

[round pendant]

I have enough buttons

and don't really find any of them particularly awkward

when do I hit grieftorch in raid 🤔

asap with a shield wall?

[daring marlin]

I hated that

Thanks pal

[round pendant]

I'm curious

why Ravager before Demoralizing Shout?

Avatar -> Ravager -> Demoralizing Shout -> Thunderous Roar

if you have booming voice wouldn't you want to do DS before ravager?

[daring marlin]

DS duration is short af

[thick rivet]

am I supposed to be using shield wall close to on cd

[round pendant]

pretty much

[thick rivet]

what's the expected uptime?

mine is ~10-12%

idk the expectd is

[round pendant]

Not sure but I find I don't use it as much as I could

which is just a waste

[jagged fulcrum]

What is BIS horde race for Prot war?

[mighty valley]

whichever you think is hottest, the diff is tiny

vulpera actually pretty good though

[daring marlin]

male blood elf of course

:^)

[mighty valley]

belf ain’t bad so you have your own purge

[sick sentinel]

transmog looks great on them since the model is basically just a human

[round pendant]

actually might make a macro (on a different button) for avatar + blood fury + combat pot + ravager

cause that seems annoying af to do with my keybinds

[sick sentinel]

its the one race you get actual boots

and not sandals

[round pendant]

alt 5 + alt e + shift 2

[steel mauve]

do you use your mouse wheel for keybinds?

[daring marlin]

My dps CDs are just alt+1-5

ctrl+1-5 for defensives

binding all those together seems like a poor decision

[round pendant]

It's JUST for the opener

[steel mauve]

avatar is mouse wheel up, dragon/thunder roar wheel down, ravager shift wheel up, storm bolt shift wheel down, demo shout alt wheel up, and shockwave alt wheel down

[round pendant]

I won't press it any other time lol

[mighty valley]

I still pre-ravager to save a GCD once I get in there

[daring marlin]

same here

[mighty valley]

avatar + blood fury is fine

[daring marlin]

Ravager as I'm charging

[steel mauve]

ya i ravager on 1 > charge + avatar pull

[daring marlin]

I bind trinkets and racials to avatar at most

[mighty valley]

yeah, stat trinkets

[daring marlin]

👍

[sick sentinel]

i dunno wtf, but i ran hov 15 again, and healer died to shit in first 30 second of odyn 3 times in a row

[mighty valley]

manually press things like whetstone tho

[sick sentinel]

then leaves mid boss fight

[round pendant]

This entire time I've used a macro for ravager to put it at my feet

I forgot it's not actually like that

pre-ravager makes sense

[daring marlin]

I was lazy with whetstone at first

[sick sentinel]

around over 9 minutes on first pull of odyn

[daring marlin]

Stopped wasting ticks tho :^)

[round pendant]

lazy how?

[daring marlin]

had it bound to avatar

now it's alt+4

[round pendant]

I would never consider that

I just have these trinket WAs

and press them when they're up

like any other fat hitting ability

[daring marlin]

prot owns

[fallow nova]

Alright, ring question time

I currently have:
Diurna fire ring (382)
Cobalt dmg ring (389)

And just got Sealcof Filial Duty (418) with a socket

What do I replace?

Cobalt ring seems to proc more dmg than the fire ring when I check details

[pallid quiver]

[strong forum]

replace cobalt ring

it has only 50% stat budget

[pallid quiver]

but likely cobalt

[lavish copper]

Does ignore pain make a noise when it falls off or am i going insane?

[strong forum]

[lavish copper]

I'm practising on a dummy and i keep hearing a weird giggle

[strong forum]

thats some weakaura pack

[lavish copper]

... i turned all my wa's off

[lone eagle]

Its Blizzard laughing at you

[rough solar]

The tanking dummy makes a giggle sound when it does it's special attack

[lone eagle]

They just do that sometimes, y'know

Also that

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, tank dummy makes sounds

[lone eagle]

Tanking Dummy big hit makes a squeaky giggle

[frank dust]

thats creepy af

[lavish copper]

the stone dummy?

[pallid quiver]

if that's the dummy you're on

Whatever one swings back at you

I think it's a giant rock dude this time around

[lavish copper]

that's the one i'm on

[pallid quiver]

you'd think i'd remember since i swing at it so on

Yeah, that's it swinging at you with the stacking big swing

which, coincidentally, is likely murdering your IP in one go

[daring marlin]

I fuckin' cackled at this

[lavish copper]

yeah, every time it gains a stack it makes that weird fuckin noise

well, at least i'm not going nuts

[lone karma]

Hey just out of curiosity, is there any embellishment combination that doesn't include a Lariat and is as strong or better than Lariat + something? Mythic+ and/or Raid?

[pallid quiver]

most embel combos for prot

They're roughly all the same benefit to us, minus haste legs

[strong forum]

the main benefit of lariat is that its an embellishment which doesnt take up a tierslot, has an extra effect and you can choose your stats+proc

its not because its particularily strong

[frank dust]

wait so if u have lariat + belt you cant have anything else?

[solar root]

and gives free gemslot

[strong forum]

well the gemslot thing

[frank dust]

esides the food one

[solar root]

you can but not with embelishment

[strong forum]

any neck can have 3 sockets

[solar root]

so just normal crafting after that

[strong forum]

in a matter of seconds

[strong forum]

only 2 embellishments, yes

[pallid quiver]

You can still craft items and wear them, just not with embells on

Hence why we, in most situations, recommend not having embells if you craft wep/shield, alongside the fact you really want those at 421

[daring marlin]

I hope thet add a way to scrap crafted gear to retrieve sparks

eventually

[strong forum]

did you make some poor crafts?

[daring marlin]

Not too bad. 1H, 2H, ring and neck. Just gonna feel bad when I get a weapon from weekly. lol

Kinda weird that I haven't seen a single weapon yet now that I think about it. 👀

[fallow nova]

Well I simmed, was shocked at how close they were but Diurna's ring won out over the Cobalt ring by just under 0.03% dps lol

[woven trellis]

Dorki stream said prot war B tier, brace yourself guys

doomers are coming

[hard birch]

The first mob in SBG, you normally kite those skeletals guys because they hit hard?

[daring marlin]

[sick sentinel]

finally beat that damn key

[daring marlin]

Grats bro.

Let the doomers come. Nothing will top the doomers of BFA S1!

[sick sentinel]

the only doom is that which you create for your self

[round pendant]

Damn

Only got 91 on HC eranog and 92 on Terros

96 on Sennarth tho pausechamp

[worldly jackal]

HEY GANG, brand new prot warrior,
i'm BAD at sheildwall uptime. any PRO tips?

[blazing condor]

shield block?

or shield wall

[worldly jackal]

LOL shieldblock

dont even have my ability names down.

[blazing condor]

if you run Heavy Repercussions (talent) make sure you spam shield slam as much as possible cus it gives +1 second to shield block

[prisma crane]

Heavy Repercussions and Enduring Defense and use your abilities

[blazing condor]

you can use shield charge to get more shield block

dont sleep on your shield slam procs they're hella good in general

thats about it really

make sure you're not taking hits in the back

cus you cant block them

[sand cave]

qq: how much ilvl is 4p worth?

[loud whale]

Don’t need to hard kite, they do a 1.5 sec cast melee strike so you can just backpedal slightly out of range, same as the shield maidens in HoV

[mighty valley]

very feelycraft question since it's pure defensive benefit and we can't sim for defense

if you're doing threatening content, a decent amount, if you're just chillin basically none

[sullen drift]

hello i want some help

[round pendant]

hmmm

Any talent changes good for primal council?

also, grieftorch or all-totem for council?

[cloud umbra]

something tells me grief since you only tanking 2 at a time on council

[sullen drift]

i have the shield trinket from nokhud the binding trinket from rubby bot 402 ilvl and trinket from eranog 389 which sould i equip ?

[cinder storm]

Your highest Ilvl, although your highest Ilvl trinkets are meh

[strong forum]

council does fuckall tank dmg, so just go with whatever sims the best over 4minutes 4 targets @round pendant

[sand cave]

Thx

[hard birch]

The third mob in SBG, how do you spawn less mobs? Sometimes there's a void, and other times there isnt.

[round pendant]

idk why I parse so shit on primal council

84 overall 91 ilvl

how does one pad dps on council

[ocean bloom]

press more revenge

[warm plinth]

If there's a void you wait ~5 seconds and there won't be

[hard birch]

Do I have to engage it?

[warm plinth]

No you wait before pulling

[rich aspen]

no, just wait awkwardly

[warm plinth]

And it'll go away

[hard birch]

So it will despawn on the mantle automatically?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[ocean bloom]

it teleports around the room

[loud whale]

Get dps that don’t use interrupts and spell reflect chain lightning

[hard birch]

Jesus man, how do I not know these things.

Appreciate it guys.

[warm plinth]

Logs don't consider spell reflect as your damage, because it isn't.

[round pendant]

Honestly

I fucked my opener up

fatfingered and missed avatar

then pressed ravager

[loud whale]

Didn’t know that, it attributes it to you on details though doesn’t it even if logs don’t?

[round pendant]

here's the log if anyone wants to give input

[warm plinth]

It didn't used to do it on details either. They added that because players requested it since it's so impactful at times.

[round pendant]

It feels good to reflect so I'm happy with it showing on details

but makes sense to exclude it in logs

[warm plinth]

But it's literally damage the enemy did to itself

[fading prawn]

What's the difference between Threat Plates and Plater?

[hard birch]

When it cast, it needs to stand still right, then is where I backpedal?

[loud whale]

Yeah

It’s like old school slam

[mighty valley]

Just two different nameplate replacements made by different people, you might like one better than the other

[fading prawn]

Okay so that one comes down to preference as well, Thank you!

[potent harbor]

guys im watchin tattman +24 TJS, third boss, jade serpent kick, he literally gives zero absrob dmg taken from that TB, is there actually stuff which can dispel that absorb TB? because his health is not even moving

or that healer use some big heal shiet spell everytime theres jade serpent , i jsut dont even see that negative absorb on him, its like 1 sec , poop, gone and no it cant be mitigation, when i use spell block on my 20 tjs im still on 10 percent hp

[cloud umbra]

spell block and well timed heals can make it look like nothing happened

[loud whale]

I don’t think the absorb effect can be mitigated, pretty sure it’s independent of the dmg, but a big heal could make it go away

[thick rivet]

Is 29 baseline haste enough to consider using into the fray?

[warm plinth]

What healer is he running with

[warm plinth]

No

[thick rivet]

damn how much do I need lol

I guess I can't use til i'm more geared

[potent harbor]

@warm plinth its druid which is evne more bullshiet in my eyes, drop cannot top you in oen gcd 5 tiems in row

that must be sime sort of dispel

[cloud umbra]

druid cans can drop is real fast

[warm plinth]

They're probably running nourish

[cloud umbra]

enhance shaman can almost get rid of it in 1 gdc too lol

but they lose a lot of dps

[potent harbor]

actually he is rly topped in one and half gcd holy shiet

then its healer diff so no healer can bullshiet me anymore

[cloud umbra]

might be enhance shammy helping out then

[potent harbor]

that im jumping 5 gcds out and still die

theres dh mage and sh priest

[cloud umbra]

they might be negating it too

DH can negate one, shadowmelds can negate

[timber terrace]

i mean just a druid prehotting and using some instant heals +IV/pot should remove it instantly don't need to be fancy on a fortified week

[potent harbor]

@cloud umbra all tbs are on him

[loud whale]

I think void shift might get rid of it too but I’m not sure, that spell is weird

[cloud umbra]

ya a simple SOTF buffed regrowth on a fully hotted tank plus IV would remove it

[potent harbor]

so its rly jsut good healer(i mean im using mitigation exaxtly same way as him plus healing pot etc)

plus ip plus victory rush blabla

[timber terrace]

the game just doesn't have enough healers check so a lot of healers can't play at all they just semi afk doing damage and topping people

[cloud umbra]

some healers have to build it up.. evokers .. some of the times im edging on death

lol

[red trail]

Anyone out here using the ruby whelp shell for tanking?

Wanna know what to rush meanwhile I get a better trinket

[potent harbor]

@timber terrace actually i think thats a case ye, healers dont know how preheal, pre prepare healing stuff on big healing heal check like this mostly

[cloud umbra]

knowing when the damage comes is definitely most of the battle

[timber terrace]

well to be fair some of them do but you can get to high keys as a healer without having much awareness of what's going on

got some absolutely terrible healers with 2800+ rio

[cloud umbra]

just healed a 19 ruby on my 394 druid haha. If i can do it anyone can.. Depleted it, but that wasnt because of healing

[timber terrace]

there is a lot of skill expression for healers they just don't have a proper metric like dps do to see how good they're doing so a lot of them just assume they're good

[cloud umbra]

damn i lied.. looks like im 398

its not just healers terrible at 2800+ there are a lot of people in gerneral

[sand drum]

@warm plinth what do you think
(NO not my talents)

[cloud umbra]

that brute force every dungeon doing 0 mechanics

[potent harbor]

i would tel you good metric, amount of explosives killed 😄 in my eyes, its tank/healer job so dds can do dds stuff

[cloud umbra]

i'd say you are wrong saying its a tank job

what are you shield slamming them

lol

[potent harbor]

well i love to do that tbh, dds then do more dd

[timber terrace]

well the problem is rio is a score that's used as a rating so you get absolutely awful players that will int keys until a group is good enough to carry them and they'll have the same score as someone who did them first try

there is nothing about rio that measures performance like logs and a lot of bad players just do keys all day and have an inflated score

[cloud umbra]

Yea RIO is fake news in the 20 range. People can literally buy a timed 20

[atomic stirrup]

I had growl brick a key for me because he didn’t heal me twice during searing blows

But apparently it was my fault lol

[timber terrace]

that's why i hate playing warrior tbh it's the strongest tank overall but it's just basic and reliant on others you can't really save yourself if you have dots and you're not being healed you're just gonna die

[atomic stirrup]

Brewmaster and Dk even paladin are strong af

Especially at higher keys

[pallid quiver]

Rating is merely a measure of what content a character has managed to make it through. It is unrelated to player skill, though there can be a general correlation. Even with the absolute highest rated people, it doesn't necessarily mean they're the absolute best player in the world at their class or anything. It means they cleared the highest key level of that dungeon in the game, however it was cleared

[timber terrace]

it's not a rating tho ratings go up and down

[atomic stirrup]

I usually check parses as well as raider io

But sometimes people either have an off day or obviously are just bad

Can’t do much about that though

I’ve noticed it’s usually an interrupt problem. You can’t quantify interrupt data

[pallid quiver]

last i was aware the metric was referred to as IO Rating, and ratings don't necessarily go up and down

rankings do

[mighty valley]

all of these problems can be fixed if you do the socializing work

[timber terrace]

i mean everyone ints a key someday but some people are inting while not failing just because they're mechanically bad

[mighty valley]

remember good players, invite them back, build a network

make friends 🙂

[atomic stirrup]

I’ve seen 8/8 mythic raiders that are 2900 not interrupt shit in nokhud or halls

Mind blowing

[mighty valley]

almost like raiding and m+ are very different

[potent harbor]

@mighty valley thats most logic think i ehard here in a while, well done sir

[atomic stirrup]

They are still 2900

That’s still less than 1% of the playerbase

[potent harbor]

@mighty valley tbh its also part of skill, be good in socializing and make friends and kinda play !smart! that way

[pallid quiver]

In related news, while looking for a Kellog's kill to try for Totem today, one of the groups I saw listed themselves as "Checking IO"

so i dodged that doomed train

[mighty valley]

yeah, you can get to 2900 easily if you're surrounded by four decent players and you have basic wow skills

[timber terrace]

tbh i'd take a 8/8m player over an heroic raider anyday no matter the score the skill gap is just too big in general

[pallid quiver]

Playing with the people I know is pain

[cloud umbra]

exccept if you are tank or healer

[pallid quiver]

They keep telling me they're interrupting

[atomic stirrup]

Exactly my point

[potent harbor]

@mighty valley im kinda making my own group around 20 keys rn since we found out in guild we kinda have good chemistry dsynergy, did some first 20 tonight was fun and rly good

[pallid quiver]

and are debating with the logs saying the only interrupt they pressed is their actual interrupt button

like, don't even talent into KBs and Hard stops if you're not gonna use them

[atomic stirrup]

I love when people don’t use defensive cooldowns and lie about it

[mighty valley]

makes such a difference, when you find a group that can struggle with something hard but maintain good vibes and come back later with the same knowledge and group synergy

[potent harbor]

@mighty valley what is ee as big diff i have two dds whicha ctualyl consitently rly do nice dmg 😄 its rly big diff if u have peeps who do 100k overall or 50k overall

[mighty valley]

oh for sure, the dungeons have all clicked for my guild regulars recently and their dps is skyrocketing

and it feels like i'm doing 5 key levels lower

[potent harbor]

guess next week it will be even betetr with valor uncapp

since as latecomers we have lowers ilvl so ye cant wait good stuff

would say also good time hunt trinkets etc rn to pump ir up to 415

[mighty valley]

yeah if you go truly degen you can blast easy key levels super fast and then plow valor into whatever ilvl trinkets drop

[potent harbor]

yep yep

[timber terrace]

valor can't give me any upgrade at this point

[mighty valley]

the odds of getting a specific trinket per dungeon run are still super low though, can still take forever haha

[timber terrace]

maybe just a socket on a helm

[potent harbor]

well i have triple hoof trinket but none hunger of pack for my arms 😄

actually what trinkets u play on forti/tyra weeks?

rn on forti i have whetstone/hoof for double aoe

[pallid quiver]

For Prot? I always take the same trinks of Whetstone/Big Toe because they sim the highest of what I've got

[timber terrace]

whetstone/icon usually