protection

[urban bane]

brother dont i know it

[lusty tiger]

China getting rid of wow probably doesn’t help either

[deft mortar]

bruh

I actually have to hug Dstance for longer periods of time

In Nokhud 21

Maybe healer was trash

[lusty tiger]

Which packs?

[deft mortar]

the big packs in the first 2 pulls

[lusty tiger]

That bleed

[deft mortar]

Some of the totem packs b4 2nd boss

The kodo patrol around the 2nd boss

Group disbanded after anyway

[daring marlin]

Eles truck

[deft mortar]

kekw

[bold turret]

You can range the arcing strike

[deft mortar]

We were all 415+ and 2650+ too

[lusty tiger]

They melee with an extra 50% dam as magic

It fucks

[sterile bough]

nukund is prot 2nd least hitting dungeon right after court of stars

[lusty tiger]

I like how the best outplay for bleeding as a prot war is to make more things bleed

[deft mortar]

Probs cuz bosses do nothing

[sterile bough]

that u just ktie

u dont tank it kekw

[daring marlin]

Have people purge or pucker up tbh

[atomic nest]

Hey guys question.. should i open my box as prot or as arms? do trinkets matter that much?

[lusty tiger]

Yea the shields have to be purged, I think they’re too beefy to kill quick esp if the tank has to kite

[deft mortar]

im assuming ur MS is prot

[atomic nest]

ya

[deft mortar]

idk i always open as prot

[atomic nest]

i know with my druid they tell me open as feral since tank trinekts suck for them

[lusty tiger]

Most of us do that as fury- unless u need a shield

[daring marlin]

I always open as arms. 🤷‍♂️

[sterile bough]

I always open with dps but now that I got 2 hand I'll start opening as tank

[atomic nest]

YA I DONT NEED WEPS

MINUS caps lol

[vagrant oracle]

Currently opening mine as fury

[atomic nest]

what about the heroic box

since raid trinkets are good for tank?

ERR THE WEEKLY I mean damn caps 😛

[vagrant oracle]

The ring I want hits all specs, but the trink I’m trying for (whetstone) you need to be in DPS spec. I opted for Fury because my 1H wep in relation to my shield is currently low.

[daring marlin]

craft a 418 ez

[vagrant oracle]

I’m minus an infusion atm 😢

[daring marlin]

well shit

[hidden ether]

How have you used that many ☠️

[lusty tiger]

He’s got negative infusions

[vagrant oracle]

You leave me and my negative infusions alone

[deft mortar]

Think im gettin bored of wow rn

[blazing condor]

see u next patch

[deft mortar]

M+ was fun but a nice successful dung run with whole lotta stress gives me like +10-15 points rn

Which will be reset anyway

Next season

No achis beyond what I have

Wish there was a 3k score achi

Think ima explore other games rn

[toxic pewter]

See u in roblox

[lusty tiger]

Dark and darker is 🔥

[vagrant oracle]

Dip into Legacy for a few weeks. Complete change of pace 🤷🏻‍♂️

[blazing condor]

i started playing csgo again

[toxic pewter]

I’m playing overwatch 2

[deft mortar]

OW2 is possible

I wish CIV5 had like good "human-like" AI so I could do some solo play

[toxic pewter]

I find ow2 fun but I know a lot of people hate on it

[deft mortar]

It only has AI that cheats to be difficult

[lusty tiger]

Ow2 is fun with friends but comp is a little intense for me

[vagrant oracle]

OW2 is fun with a squad, but braids make me want to claw my eyes out.

[deft mortar]

Im also bad at shooters ngl

[toxic pewter]

Yah I play only comp and it gets pretty intense ya

[deft mortar]

And ppl take it very seriously

[toxic pewter]

Dude play Reinhardt

[deft mortar]

I mean

I only play Reinhardt

xd

[toxic pewter]

Yes same but he is great

[lusty tiger]

Yea ow2 has plenty to do for people who can’t aim

Heroes of the storm any1?

[vagrant oracle]

He’s tired of WoW don’t tell him to go play an arms warrior lol

[lusty tiger]

Diablo?

Or the really good1 path of exile is 🔥

[toxic pewter]

I bought Diablo 4 with wow gold

[lusty tiger]

How

[toxic pewter]

Well I made ton of gold at beginning of xpac then bought wow tokens

Ya

[lusty tiger]

Oh wtf

Nice

[toxic pewter]

Also can buy ow2 battle pass and crap too

But haven’t done that… yet… lol

[blazing condor]

a singular skin in ow2 pog

[toxic pewter]

Ya 😂

Wish there was a way to trade bnet balance for other company balance

[daring marlin]

Weird mentality to have lol

[deft mortar]

I mean

We died cuz Tempest interrupt failed in a pack

And droup instant disbanded

All players except balance had 12-13 interrupts

So run dead cuz we took a balance drood

[mighty valley]

i doubt i'd stick to m+ if i didn't always run with friends

[lusty tiger]

^

[deft mortar]

I don't like games where I don't have good influence over the outcome

[lusty tiger]

card games or smash melee my friend

[deft mortar]

Single Player rocks

As Tank I do have lots of influence but even so I cant force ppl into popping defensives and interrupting

[daring marlin]

You could just assign yourself to tempest add and have them take the guy that can be only kicked

[blazing condor]

time to become a chess master

[daring marlin]

Then again you take zero stops

[deft mortar]

Regular stormbolt casts kill ppl too

[daring marlin]

If only you took stops

[deft mortar]

I interrupted every tempest

[daring marlin]

You were the problem, not the boomie.

[deft mortar]

Giga doubt

[daring marlin]

No shockwave, int shout or stormbolt

100%

[subtle sparrow]

The tempest mob is only stun immune if he has been stunned three times in the DR window right?

[daring marlin]

You can easily lock down that add if you actually took stops

And two people can handle the other one

[lusty tiger]

u running without fear and storm bolt?

[daring marlin]

He is

[lusty tiger]

also most pug keys are doomed+cursed anyway by the nature of it

[lusty tiger]

dont get too down on yourself brother

[daring marlin]

Man runs with zero stops and blames the dps and heals every time

He hard trolls every key bro lol

[lusty tiger]

@deft mortar reroll na

[deft mortar]

bruh guilford wats ur io

kekw

And how is it lower than mine if I troll ever key

[daring marlin]

Higher than yours. I've timed more than 6 20s even. As more than Prot too. 🙂

[deft mortar]

You timed 9 keys buddy

Ur score is 2,615

[daring marlin]

yikes

[crimson furnace]

guys, since prot is trash, what are u guys re-rolling to?? pala??

[daring marlin]

called out

[deft mortar]

If I am scoring with higher score than u

[daring marlin]

You're still a troll

[deft mortar]

and wrong build

[blazing condor]

other game

[deft mortar]

idk about u

[round pendant]

Are you dudes arguing about something that happened in-game in this discord?

[daring marlin]

Nope

He's on EU

I'm just making fun of the dude cuz he whines about pugs 24/7 but the shit he complains about is in his control to fix.

lilbetaman

[deft mortar]

With higher io than u kekw

[daring marlin]

Many depletes

[round pendant]

[daring marlin]

You're very persistent

[round pendant]

Stop shitting up the chat thanks

[lusty tiger]

start logging- set some goals

not just about io

[daring marlin]

Roger. ❤️

[round pendant]

How is prot trash

[timber barn]

If you aren't taking all 3 of these you're hard trolling as prot.

[lusty tiger]

u dont always need shockwave

[round pendant]

You don't always need int shout either

[timber barn]

Depends on group, sure, but in a pug? Idk about that one chief.

[round pendant]

storm bolt mandatory, shockwave mandatory (imo)

[deft mortar]

Might act use shockwave this week

[lusty tiger]

since most people have stuns, it helps with dr situations

[timber barn]

I will never not take all 3 of these and both Pummel talents

[crimson furnace]

every other tank got buffs after buff and we got burried, its a dead specc

[deft mortar]

But shockwave on Tyra week question mark

Or shockwave in keys below 20 is question mark

[ocean bloom]

[round pendant]

Other tanks got buffed to be put more in line with prot warrior, we're still good.

[daring marlin]

Prot prolly still best

[timber barn]

I refuse to let some clown DPS ruin my key

[lusty tiger]

tru, prot = poop

[tropic tangle]

time to put the pipe down

[daring marlin]

Though Paladin looking pretty spicy

[deft mortar]

Let Protadins have a day jeez

[daring marlin]

BDK too

[round pendant]

Contemplating rerolling to paladin as it's my vibe for tanking

[deft mortar]

My guys were not there entire SL

[daring marlin]

I was goofing around on my crappy DK alt and the damage seems like it'll be pretty good when I get gear

👀

[deft mortar]

I do garbage dps on my dk rip

Its lvl 67 and the build is jackshit tho

[ocean bloom]

yeah BDK is looking good, but prot still has the fact that you cant really fuck up too badly lol. on BDK if you fuck your CDs you can legit go into a pack with no RP and no Bonearmor and you just flop

[daring marlin]

I cheat though

[lusty tiger]

tbh after raiding on prot i much prefer m+ on my monk

[daring marlin]

He got a boon

[deft mortar]

Hows BDK single target

I can see how their AoE works

like do they pop DS offensively

[ocean bloom]

yea

[tranquil fern]

is it worth to make sure to track and maintain the 2p bonus or leave it passive?

[ocean bloom]

you need to DS every 6sec minimum

atleast last time i checked

[deft mortar]

U likely use enough revenge naturally anyway

In a normal rotation

Maybe except during execute phase

[tulip kelp]

Lmao I agree.. if you’re not taking storm bolt fear or shockwave you’re giga trolling keys and should stop pointing fingers at others

[mighty valley]

there's no new balance changes right, everyone's just memeing on the old shit?

[lusty tiger]

correct- just a doomer dooming because other tanks r getting buffed

[languid smelt]

If you were only going to run M+ with a group of alts one night of week (side project) would you just focus on crafting the Sword and Shield and just let M+ fill the rest of your slots or is Lariat just that good?

[lusty tiger]

shield

[mighty valley]

lariat is not that good for us

basically the same as any embellish

shield >>>>>>> 2 embellishes > weapon > low ilvl slots

[languid smelt]

Thanks. I was going to work on the Shield first and then go from there.

[ocean bloom]

also do not craft shield of the hearth

its giga bait

[languid smelt]

I was looking at the Primal Molten

[daring marlin]

I crafted MH and fished for shields since they're so cheap to upgrade

[languid smelt]

or whatever it is called

[ocean bloom]

yea

[daring marlin]

But I was unlucky for a loooooong time

Paid off when azure vault shield dropped at least 😏

[languid smelt]

I got 2 pc via catalyst and 2 bis slots lasst night doing the weekly quest and we are about to hit an ilvl where we focus on 12-15's soon and I can't be running around with this 343 blue shield.

[lusty tiger]

415? @daring marlin

[dire matrix]

lfg

[daring marlin]

Whim gettin' after it

[lusty tiger]

big time

[daring marlin]

I upgraded it to 415 yeah

[lusty tiger]

shield ilvl is significant in damage blocked

[dire matrix]

think 3200 isnt for a while

[daring marlin]

It is.

[lusty tiger]

i would still try and go 418

[daring marlin]

While true I'm probably gonna be mostly doing Arms for a while.

[lusty tiger]

lucky boii

i have a gripe w dps war (playing it)

[daring marlin]

Pally friend finally decided she wanted to tank again

And she was thrown off by actually feeling tanky now considering how squish they were last expac near the start.

[lusty tiger]

yea lmfao

a lot of it is in the permanent interrupts too

ppal is pretty slick

[daring marlin]

Always funny when shield procs happen

me, me, me, me

ok no kicks for us I guess lady

[lusty tiger]

then the rando ranged interrupts after divine toll

[daring marlin]

🤣

[lusty tiger]

it is hella juicy

tbh blizz needs to break the game w tiersets s2

give us everything

my thoughts on how to break the game in a fun way:

• give us encrypted seasonal affix back
• make tiersets reset 45sec/1min CDs in an almost balanced way

[daring marlin]

I actually stopped playing during SL S2. Was S3 really fun? lol

[lusty tiger]

yes

[daring marlin]

unfortunate

[lusty tiger]

once u jumped through all the hoops

the hoops were unfortunate tho

[daring marlin]

Of course they made it more fun later, per usual.

[lusty tiger]

midseason 3 patch was the beginning of funtown

[daring marlin]

Like every other expac lol

[lusty tiger]

ye thats why i think just cut to the chase s2

juice us up

[daring marlin]

Gonna be sad if tier set is trash in S2 😭

[lusty tiger]

no shot

they were paticular about "holding back" tierset power this tier

iirc

[daring marlin]

They said that but look at Arms tier!

bananas

[lusty tiger]

some got the short end of the stick

[daring marlin]

Fury

[lusty tiger]

and i think that had some to do with all the talent tree changing

those people needed to be making the tiersets when in reality they hadnt finishd the trees yet

my speculation

[ocean bloom]

its strong but not interesting

[lavish oracle]

No, I know what the nerf was, I just meant I couldn't remember when exactly it was

[lusty tiger]

thats the other thing s2 needs

m+ that isnt in need of 6 weeks of nerfs

[daring marlin]

Daily adjustments inc

[lavish oracle]

Good luck

[lusty tiger]

how r we 8wks in and theyre just now figuring out forced stack mechanics will wipe everyody on quaking for example

[daring marlin]

Quaking is an archaic affix anyway.

[lusty tiger]

yes it sure is

[daring marlin]

I hope they change this shit up

[lusty tiger]

storming can kinda smd too

[daring marlin]

I'd prefer necrotic over some of this shit lol

I only don't mind storming on my dk

Death's Advance go brrrrrr

[lusty tiger]

its like now to carry your warrior back to these juiced up melee mobs

[lavish oracle]

I liked necrotic because I could solo it most of the time

[lusty tiger]

or like OH! your melee dps wanted to dodge the tank targeted cleave

sorry!

[daring marlin]

Seldom was necrotic annoying

[lavish oracle]

Sometimes people just die to spiteful and I'm like "all you had to do was follow the mobs to where I moved them"

[daring marlin]

Have a boomie with trees and a cancelaura bop macro

nbd nbd

[lusty tiger]

necrotic is bad because the rest of your party is hardly interacting w it

[lavish oracle]

I think it was bad because it affected some tanks disproportionately

[lusty tiger]

that too

by a lot

[daring marlin]

I'd intervene and die by the sword for my tanks

[lusty tiger]

thats kinda chad

[daring marlin]

😎

[lavish oracle]

But I think there were ways they could have fixed it

I always floated the idea that necrotic stacks should have expired individually

Like ironfur stacks

[daring marlin]

They'd have to up the reduction per stack but it'd still be good

[lusty tiger]

Necrotic would be cooler if say dps built the necrotic stacks on you by hitting mobs

So target switching

Was the outplay

Idk

[lavish oracle]

That'd be a nightmare

[lusty tiger]

It would at least be interesting

[daring marlin]

Have that one dude tunneling

😂

[lavish oracle]

It'd be like playing ToJS 2nd boss all the time

[lusty tiger]

Or like tank taking dam gave the party an aoe necrotic

So u have to be tanky boi

Then kiting is optional in a different way and dps have an incentive to cc for you

Like spiteful is very non interactive too, you run away- or if it’s mid pull as a mdps you just step off the pack

[lavish oracle]

I wish CC just killed spiteful

[lusty tiger]

Yea that would be nice

[daring marlin]

Can't let a single AoE stun nullify a whole ass affix! Said someone, probably

[lavish oracle]

That'd only work if you killed everything at once

It'd be like bursting

[lusty tiger]

Bursting: heal more and press dispel more

Sucks

[lavish oracle]

I think bursting is in a pretty good spot, I dunno

Plenty of counterplay

[lusty tiger]

It’s just boring though

[daring marlin]

Remember when bursting was like a nothing affix until it stacked to 14+? lol

[lusty tiger]

Uh idk in bfa +10 were like mythic raiding to me

[daring marlin]

I mean like in AD and the small dudes.

many stacks

[mighty valley]

ring of peace might as well

[lavish oracle]

Bursting was way harder in low keys in BFA than high keys

Healers in high keys were way better equipped to deal with high bursting

[quasi dagger]

probably been answered a million times but is shield of the hearth garbage? it sounds good if it procs a lot but I'm assuming the bracers are overall better?

[lusty tiger]

It is bad

[timid thicket]

After having done the weekly quest on all tanks/alts the only thing I really miss on the other classes is spell reflect. Only spell that is equally satisfying might be a juicy divine toll

[lusty tiger]

Hitting a perfect 2x spinning crane kick while rushing jade wind, charred passions, and bone dust brew are up- after you drop an explosive keg

[daring marlin]

Hard to compare with juicy SRs frankly

amazing ability

[lusty tiger]

Yeah

Weaving them on 2nd boss NO

Actual chad on the meters

[topaz drift]

i started DH with healer duo, tried out warrior and yes it makes their life easier but basically spell reflect on bosses esp tyran week is what really makes / breaks some dungeons

rest is msotly qol

[mighty valley]

i know where the damage came from, that's all the validation i need

[dire matrix]

qol like takin the least dmg

🧢

not sure if thats actually true

[topaz drift]

i mean yeah its better - i just mean if u wanna really take the stand out

taking x% less damage is great, but avoid huge spikes with SR is hugely noticeable

[hybrid fossil]

does the explosives have a maximum range?

or is it only possible to LOS them?

[verbal quail]

spell block 20 nokhud this week yay/nay?

[cloud umbra]

naw

[verbal quail]

i was totally split. but leaning that way. thanks for the nudge 😛

[cloud umbra]

haha. as long as you guys get interrupts on the 2nd area, and range the arcing strikes you good

[modern brook]

100yds I'm p sure

[daring marlin]

explosive trash

[hybrid fossil]

thanks

[quasi dagger]

you can los the damage though

[cloud umbra]

man academy is the bane of my existence this week

[quasi dagger]

AV is the bane of my existence every week

[daring marlin]

It's supposedly one of the easier ones

[topaz drift]

feel like academy is easy week esp with priest

[daring marlin]

hard to not wanna pull big tho

[high root]

anyone know if you get more valor for doing higher keys?

[cloud umbra]

whats priest do there that helps.. dispel?

[daring marlin]

lizard brain tells you to go big every time xD

[cloud umbra]

im talking about the xplosives haha

AA is in the bottom 4 this week currently

[lofty widget]

you dont

[quasi dagger]

you get bonus for someone in the group increasing io score. doesnt matter the key size

[daring marlin]

That's something they should change tbh

[cloud umbra]

somehow our AV is cleaner than AA .. we pull small we dont time it, we pull big then explosives GALORE

[quasi dagger]

so if you carry someone in low keys, you get 200. If a full high io group does 2s they only get 65

[daring marlin]

You sure? bestkeystone has it at 3 but I see subcreation has it bottom 4.

Guess the former sux

[high root]

ty for info

[cloud umbra]

subcreation goes by +20-+27 actual runs for the week whats bestkeystone go by?

[quasi dagger]

so find a fresh 70 next week to carry

[cloud umbra]

i bet bestkeystone goes by all keys.. which makes sense.. you can pull super small in 15s and time it

[daring marlin]

Looks like it's going by 20-26

[cloud umbra]

ya i see that now.. who knows haha

[daring marlin]

Weird though cuz some keys are 19-26

[cloud umbra]

oh i see now

[daring marlin]

Specifically the harder ones

[cloud umbra]

mplus is top 3200 runs.. bks is top 5k runs

so top 5k can trickle down into 19s

ill just have to deplete 15 more academies before timing an upgrade haha

[fresh zealot]

does nyone know if inspiring pressence changes the spellid of rally when used in say ert notes to wa shoutouts

[hard birch]

Anyone know if they are going to uncap valor at the end of S1?

[sick sentinel]

They are uncapping valor with Tuesday reset. Like this coming Tuesday, the 14th.

[hard birch]

You got a blue post?

[sick sentinel]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/conquest-and-valor-to-become-uncapped/1511539

[hard birch]

When S2 starts, you think the beginning ilvl will be 410 in gear?

[daring marlin]

MF just source?'d you hahahaha

[lofty widget]

s1 mythic ilvl is s2 normal ilvl

[hard birch]

So my 415 gear won't be totally useless off the bat?

[oak echo]

Also in case it's not clear because of the way you asked your question. Valor will be capped again start of season 2

They only uncap it for the remainder of the season and yeah it resets

[warm plinth]

It shouldn't. Talents don't generally change spell ID unless it also changes the spell (e.g. changing heroic throw to titanic throw)

[pale rock]

Is undead a good race for Prot Warrior?

[hard birch]

For +16 what ilvl and IO would you guy say is, "lets invite this guy".

[tulip kelp]

Just missed a 21 NOK by 4 secs because all 3 dps did under 80K overall :\

[cloud umbra]

no deaths no timeloss?

[tulip kelp]

Like 15 deaths

But still

[cloud umbra]

oh lol

thats not small

[mighty valley]

you'd obv prefer over 80k but yeah, that should be fine for a 21 that goes smooth

[tulip kelp]

I mean dudes were dropping left and right from storm bolts and arrows, etc

[warm plinth]

They probably would've done over 80k if they were alive

[cloud umbra]

^

[tulip kelp]

Yeah not sure what to do about that, better healer?

[cloud umbra]

interrupts, shouldnt be any stormbolts going off

[warm plinth]

I mean Stormbolts is a kicks issue

[tulip kelp]

Rogue had 4 KS entire dungeon

[warm plinth]

Shoots is a healer issue

[cloud umbra]

first area you can game the warspears by stunning right as they cast swift stab and almost 0 damage goes out those pulls

[tulip kelp]

Compared to 18 storm bolts for me, and I would always stun a cast/rally/slash/etc

[warm plinth]

Yeah not having a kick rotation on the named guys at least is a death sentence in keys that high, especially on fort

[cloud umbra]

1 rogue can take the non named guy and tank/other can swap on the named guy

[vernal sky]

how do you guys deal with pulls where people take back aggro when you're trying to group up enemies?

[warm plinth]

Let them die and hope they learn their lesson

[cloud umbra]

tell them to stop pressing their buttons while you are grouping haha.

[vernal sky]

i feel like i can deal with those scenarios better on my other tanks, but as warr if i try to go back and take back aggro i get destroyed by the mobs meleeing my back

[tulip kelp]

I mean kinda hard to communicate that kick rotation when its full pug and no comms.. maybe should make a macro and spam it before each pull

[cloud umbra]

ya pugging 21s, you should hash out kick rotation before dropping the key imo

haha .. some people man, just dont understand to not blast 0.1 seconds into stuff

[warm plinth]

But if they wait they can't blame you for their death

[tulip kelp]

I just aoe taunt when he jumps on and its pretty ez

[cloud umbra]

ya i see he hits 50% i leap to the middle and AOE taunt the second the transition happens

[tulip kelp]

Cause there's a couple secs while he jumps before he starts attacking and you can taunt before he starts attacking

[vernal sky]

I got mega blasted by that double pack on the ring in vault, too, walled at 60% but still died

next time ill pull with shield wall

or shield wall on pull rather

[cloud umbra]

the 4 elementals that cast waking bane?

[vernal sky]

yeah

4 elementals + the freezing dragon + big dude who spams heavy tome

[cloud umbra]

if you wait til the pat is right in front nd you leap in you can quad reflect there

[spring summit]

haste vers on crafted gear yeah?

[cloud umbra]

and you have some breathing room after that

before they start casting again

[warm plinth]

Crit gang

Haste crit if you're not a wuss

[cloud umbra]

im a wuss i went vers 😄

[warm plinth]

(In all seriousness it doesn't matter)

[vernal sky]

sync casts so i can mass reflect?

[cloud umbra]

ya

[vernal sky]

didn't consider it

[warm plinth]

Just don't ignorantly stack vers for the sake of stacking vers

[vernal sky]

nice tip ty

[cloud umbra]

it really makes a difference on pull

[daring marlin]

haste crit gang gang

[dusky tusk]

So this Mythic raider arms warrior is telling me im supposed to be in defensive stance..

[drifting fable]

pug moment

[daring marlin]

he got you good bro

[wet osprey]

what is that traveling addon?

[daring marlin]

[drifting fable]

i think it tells you how much damage you took from avoidable mechanics iirc

[slow harbor]

Proportions instead of absolute values for interrupt count, you madman

[daring marlin]

His name is pretty cringe tbh

First red flag!

[left beacon]

Hey I'm new to warrior. If I could craft an item between weapon or shield which one would be the better option?

[drifting fable]

shield

for prot anyways

[left beacon]

yea protection

[daring marlin]

shield big

[left beacon]

thank u

[forest tulip]

y'know, im not a super amazing tank and im playing a busted spec but i love when a dungeon goes smoothly after some rough ones and im reminded that im not the reason a group is most likely failing

[pallid quiver]

I'd have instantly just blocked someone the instant they tried to type to me like that

if you're not willing to even attempt to make your statement to me make sense in the grammatical function of any language I know, let alone spelling or cadence or fucking anything, I'm just not gonna bother

[cloud umbra]

no need to bother with ppl like that

[pallid quiver]

The funniest thing to me is that none of my failed keys have been my fault recently, and it's easy to say so because I haven't done many keys recently.

most of my major fuckups are in keys that go fine otherwise

And the untime keys I know aren't my problem, because I can't press A or D on my party members' keyboards to prevent them from just standing in Mari's water laser and being surprised when they die

[cloud umbra]

sucks to fuck up as a tank. Almost an instant deplete

[left beacon]

so for the pull after the first boss of shadow moon burial ground. I know the aggro is linked to the dominators. Aggro there can be a bit tricky, do u guys interrupt the back dominator so u can hold aoe threat on all of them, or maybe taunt that 1 in the back so it doesnt aggro the healer

[cloud umbra]

It still is bugged. The extra guys will randomly aggro on to others either way

but ya i think its common to interrupt the back one and bring him in

[left beacon]

is it bugged? i thought the aggro was linked through the dominators

[pallid quiver]

I've never heard of them being bugged, myself

and i just waltzed through all of them casually using TC/SS/etc and then just found a dominator to sit on

[whole vortex]

taunt doesn't generate threat, it only forces an enemy to target you for a while

[pallid quiver]

and then sat on them

[sick sentinel]

yeah, most of that for me comes down to over thinking why the dps are dying to literal nothings

[pallid quiver]

Never hard trouble getting aggro

[whole vortex]

so that's not gonna work. personally I just interrrupt the far back dominator

[sick sentinel]

so i go complete mental AFK, trying to reconstruct a scenario that makes sense why what happened did

very first pull hov 15 (one of many depletes recently there) wait till everything dies before pull dragon pack, one little lightning dude doesnt get interrupted for 5 seconds, so nukes one of my guys, another dies to bursting

its like, its so much of a morale killer when your timed and you got buffs you can lose

and then, some guy goes splat to its very hard to tell without a log or replay footage

on the first pull, before the first boss or 2

5 times in a row

[cloud umbra]

It is. If you watch closely the non dominators will sometimes randomly walk away from you and start meleeing others.. You wont notice it til 21-22+ when its almost 1 shotting ppl lol

[thin silo]

If someone else has threat, it bumps your value up to theirs.
It also gives a ~5sec buff that doubles your threat generation vs that target

[lavish oracle]

I think it's based on dominator aggro

[cloud umbra]

I will ravager on pull, shocking is back up, and full AOE.. and it still happens to me

[lavish oracle]

But I've only ever seen it happen once so not enough data, I guess

[sick sentinel]

could be mistaken, but last i heard for 4 seconds ater hitting taunt, you have 400% increased threat on that mob

[daring marlin]

Lots of people don't realize that cuz the 200% modifier is hidden now.

[whole vortex]

I was just saying, taunting the back dominator is not enough by itself

it wont generate aggro

[mighty valley]

lots of people also don't realize that heroic leap resets your taunt cd

[daring marlin]

fax

[cloud umbra]

Just watched it happen to pIka yesterday in a 26. At the end of the pull it was happening every few seconds

[whole vortex]

of course, taunt and then hit it with a heroic throw = stonks

[slow harbor]

you cappin

[mighty valley]

?

[slow harbor]

TIL

[mighty valley]

yep

it's the weirdest interaction

[sick sentinel]

its not a very wildly used trick

[mighty valley]

but i'll take it

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, this other motherfucker I saw doing world content:

[daring marlin]

remember zerker rage talent that made taunt have no cd? good times on skittish bullshit weeks!

[cloud umbra]

lmao thats a TIL moment as well

[pallid quiver]

heroic leap on cd to get maximum number of taunts out

[cloud umbra]

dont know when id ever use that but nice

[sick sentinel]

doesn't have much of a use case inside mythic +

[slow harbor]

you haven't seen my pro taunt strats, this is the lynchpin i needed

3400 inc

[pallid quiver]

I wasn't even mad; he was tryin' his best

[sick sentinel]

i am legit excited bigly for MDI

[mighty valley]

good when someone pops off insanely on one or two guys in raszageth intermission and you gotta get it under control

[sick sentinel]

im watching AWC to get my self pumped up

[cloud umbra]

same i need to know how they are doing these 11 minute ruby

[daring marlin]

monsters

[cloud umbra]

and 12 minute jades on tyrannical

[pallid quiver]

It's like a niche ass thing to know for when something happens, like DPS mega popping while your CDs are down in raid or butt pulls into a DPS' CD window or something. You can use it to salvage situations if you don't have AOE taunt or the mobs are far apart

[sick sentinel]

does the big fucker that spawns adds

does his adds explosives

[cloud umbra]

i dont think so because no other affixes apply to them

[sick sentinel]

cuz ive been avoiding TJS this week because exclusively this thought

[cloud umbra]

i avoid it because my tiny brain cant react to a 0.8 second cast dark claw while im mid gcd and reflect on cd

[daring marlin]

tbh dark claw should be a 1.5s cast

idgaf

[cloud umbra]

1.5 sounds high. i just made up 0.8 cause it feels fast af

[oak echo]

it is literally .8

wel

.79

[daring marlin]

hah

[cloud umbra]

good guess then haha

[daring marlin]

I say 1.5 so there could be more interesting counterplay other than kiting

[sick sentinel]

this mob is hov this week screws my key

jumps away in annoying BS mechanics fasion

[daring marlin]

That mob needs to lose the DR

[cloud umbra]

is that the play for minions? reflect first kite 2nd?:

[daring marlin]

shit is stupid

I just reflect and spellblock dark claw

[sick sentinel]

i just fucking hate how dumb it is to get her to go where you want her to be, (away from everything else)

[daring marlin]

lazy

[cloud umbra]

it 1 shot me yesterday in a 23 and i just lost all happiness I ever had.. i was ready to stun it.. brain froze when he cast the 2nd one

[daring marlin]

oh god

[sick sentinel]

gotta be able to mentally draw a chart in your head just to calculate angle she leaves at

[cloud umbra]

one of those gotta stand up and walk around the house

[sick sentinel]

hate that add

[daring marlin]

I know we're in a key lads I just...need a minute

[cloud umbra]

lmao

if they made the cast time the same as haunting gaze

game changer

holding and not pressing anything just to insta stun is so bad

they dont cast it as soon as the timer comes up.. sometimes its immediate sometimes its ~5 seconds

Blizzard: Lets put 3 of those guys all in 1 pack, with a haunting sha, and a shambler with bursting adds

[mighty valley]

make friends with death knights

[forest tulip]

TJS just makes me sad

[daring marlin]

[forest tulip]

1. people somehow always manage to die to the first boss

[cloud umbra]

first boss is a PUG KILLER

lol

[forest tulip]

2. the mobs before the sha make me wanna kms

[daring marlin]

tbh pack would make more sense with a second haunting instead of three dark claw dicks

[mighty valley]

if the timer is going alright in tjs and my dps isn't gonna make the difference in timing or not, i just dump my burst on the final pack and flee after the first syncd reflect

[cloud umbra]

actually i agree with that. You can CC one dark claw guy, and nuke the other one down

[cloud umbra]

How do you sync? I have leaped, shockwave after a few seconds and still seen them desync'ed

[mighty valley]

don't shockwave until at least one is casting

seems consistent to me

[cloud umbra]

then you double reflect the other 2?>

that makes sense

I was under the impression you can triple reflect that.. I've heard others say they can

[mighty valley]

well, the sw stops the first cast, and then you know the cooldown is up for all three

since they're all stunned for the same duration

unless someone has thrown out a random stun to DR one like a dick

[cloud umbra]

Well if it's casting, it'll go on CD

[warm plinth]

If you drop ravager on the pack from afar, it should sync them on pull

[mighty valley]

not usually?

[daring marlin]

Literally every DH player under the sun

All of them

[warm plinth]

But yeah, stunning dark claw puts it on CD

[cloud umbra]

ill try that out next time

I want to triple reflect and kite

[sick sentinel]

I just, i need to stop for a second, because i don't think i've PROPERLY discused this game, i'm not sure i CAN fully describe this experience, every moment is suffering, and confusion, and regretting every choice in my life that has brought me here, because this is one of the worst things i have ever played, Even playing this game under the best of conditions with everything working, i've bitten off more than i can chew

[forest tulip]

damn, just @ me next time

[daring marlin]

Shame Spear is pepega

[sick sentinel]

its from a youtube video, don't worry, but thats my mythic + review

[daring marlin]

I wouldn't mind kiting sometime then

Always satisfying watching stuff be speared down in SL.

[rough egret]

Was just thinking, we are hitting first DR on stats in S1, like having 30+ haste is fairly easy to get, stat % will be huge in later seasons

[sick sentinel]

s3/s4 pwarr will be nutty without nerfs

500+ ilvl pwar be like,

[daring marlin]

For sure. People in nearly bis gear were barely above 25% haste in SL in first tier.

Other stats mid teens lol

[rough egret]

Yeah and now i have crit and haste both above 30, 😄

[cloud umbra]

What’s the average/highest block% you have in your logs?

[sick sentinel]

who at or anyone in general looking for advice? short answer is ideal amount of blocked hits is 90% + to be more specific, 100% blocked hits that could have been blocked while viewing a log

[cloud umbra]

i didnt aim that question at anyone in particular. I have had it up for what felt like 100% of the time and logs show like 86 or 88%.. maybe i need to vod myself to see where im slacking

[lusty tiger]

Sometimes back hits happen, also one thing is you may not be ss soon enough on pull (to get rage to sb)

[sick sentinel]

86-88% isn't a horrenous amount, but 90%+ is really what your looking for

[cloud umbra]

its probably back hits more than anything tbh

more on my positioning then

[sick sentinel]

better players here than i will tell you, if you arent having 90% in a key, its on you if it depletes

[cloud umbra]

well if you died without SB up its on you for sure

[left beacon]

can i see how many hits were blocked in details?

[sick sentinel]

no

[cloud umbra]

only in logs i think under damage taken

[sick sentinel]

you have to log, but i can make it simpel, step 1, make wclogs account and download the pc tool, log into that

[cloud umbra]

under damage taken you can hover over melee

[sick sentinel]

download logger head addon, and whenver in the desired content you wish to log, say yes, it will automatically sort logs and seperate them for you as you play, so you just match up i played 15 hov on feb 8th at 8 pm, locate it in the wclogs and send it

[left beacon]

i see thank u

[cloud umbra]

i have looked at so many logs and havent seen > 90% yet. I know its possible, but even top warriors that log don't get it all the time

[left beacon]

That does seem really high, i feel like u will always get a couple hits if u have no rage at the start

[sick sentinel]

i could be thinking of SL reprisal, kekw, but thats the mind set you want

if you CAN block every hit, you want to

[cloud umbra]

oh i agree with that

i just wanted to improve and wanted to see if my 87% was me screwing up or doing good

lol

[sick sentinel]

its probably fine for whatever your doing up to a 20 would be pushing it

[cloud umbra]

that was a 23 halls

[sick sentinel]

im trash and old man boomer these days sadly, i just really like the style of wow

[cloud umbra]

oh im a boomer too

lol

[sick sentinel]

well, i get my ass handed to me in 15 key

[cloud umbra]

luckily my group has 1 million stops

they carry the interrupts/stops haha

i just use my tiny brain on staying alive and interrupt when asked

[cloud umbra]

you also pug don't you?

[sick sentinel]

im wondering if my groups are speccing into interupt or not now

[forest tulip]

how do you all get such high haste? 395 ilvl and i only have 14%

[sick sentinel]

whatever the best option i have available to me sure, carry is nice, voip is nice, pug is what it is

some groups can just carry bad tank

[round pendant]

can any non-targetted abilities kill explosives?

[crystal mauve]

You MUST target to kill it, there is no way around it

[warm plinth]

Yes, but they aren't reliable/smart

[round pendant]

Thought so

[warm plinth]

The flare-up talent for consecration can hit them, as well as decoration of flame

But you wouldn't intentionally use either of them to try to kill an explosive so it's kind of irrelevant

[crystal mauve]

Seems like an oversight, they specifically mentioned they want it to be targeted

[warm plinth]

Yes, neither are supposed to hit them. Just didn't get flagged properly or whatever

Galactic Guardian used to hit them back in the day too

which was OP as fuck

[cloud umbra]

grieftorch for sure has snagged a few

[round pendant]

sometimes I see the explosives getting deleted outta nowhere

there's probably quite a few oversights tbh

[sick sentinel]

perhaps the explosions need a more unstable looking animation

so its more immediately identifiable, (this is a problem right now) just by looking

they have extremely low hp yam, about 1k or less

[frank dust]

do we use whirlwind at all

[sick sentinel]

if you do, we will make fun of you

[frank dust]

i thought sdo

that being said what is fast way to gear up

[warm plinth]

Get your 5 sparks, make shield, weapon, and 3 other pieces, buy 343 gear on AH to fill the rest, do any WQs that provide upgrades, do an M0 world tour, complete/turn in aiding the accord, turn in M0 weekly

[cloud umbra]

is it gearing up a main or an alt? m+ is always the answer though

after the world tour for sure

[warm plinth]

can also wait to do the WQs until after you do the shit I listed after

[mighty valley]

bribe four plate friends for the world tour

[warm plinth]

To see if the ilevel goes up

[sick sentinel]

hunter, warlock, mellee (dont matter which), shaman druid maybe paladin i go for too

[cloud umbra]

i really hope blizz adds concentrated primals transfer to alt

[sick sentinel]

if i put together group for key thats what i want normally

[cloud umbra]

doing 50 16's for 418s is quite the task

[frank dust]

i would craft

but im poor

[sick sentinel]

my input on that is they stay on character and you can request them cross account, for double of just the infusiion and it only goes to 405 or, 1 below max craft is what i mean to say when new raids come

[frank dust]

can u turn concentrated primal infusion ack into chaos

[cloud umbra]

do it the cheaper way then.. set it as public and just accept you probably wont get max ilvl out of it

[frank dust]

smart actually

[sick sentinel]

so , if it normally is 1 405, its 2 for your alt for self craft

[frank dust]

but i mean the metals and shit are also expensive

[cloud umbra]

some of it is <1000g for mats

[frank dust]

really?

cuz the molten alloy is like 1k per metal

unless you get rank 2

which ig is fine

[warm plinth]

You rarely need T3 mats for anything anymore

[cloud umbra]

ya most ppl by now are completely ranked up to use t2

[frank dust]

oh damn

W

[cloud umbra]

i think even the lariat is <1500

[frank dust]

ive been wasting my gold

also can u turn infusions back into focus and choas

[warm plinth]

No

[frank dust]

im tilted

i done mad a mistake

[sick sentinel]

go to trade, spam for the item you need

someone will whisper you and be able to give you instructions what to do

[frank dust]

i meant i just dont have chaos

[cloud umbra]

find someone that has no price tips only btw

skip the ones that charge 20-30k for stuff haha.. you can always find cheaper

[sick sentinel]

i do 5k for first time craft

and then like, 1-5k for recraft

[cloud umbra]

i do the alchemy trinkets.. i say pay whatever.. yesterday got one for 200 gold.. got another for 20k.

it all evens out for me haha

[sick sentinel]

usually 1k, 2500,

[frank dust]

primal molten defender is the shield right?

[cloud umbra]

yea thats a good one to craft

first one to upgrade too

[frank dust]

im guessling like lariat, longsword, shield

like what is the craft order

[cloud umbra]

i'd do shield first for block value.. then sword/lariat after

[cinder storm]

shield, 1h, anything else

[sick sentinel]

shield and any 1 hand (str of course, so fist weapon is a bit iffy to craft, limits transmogs for one, but it does work in combat just fine), bracers of versa, lariat are all fine choices.

[subtle sigil]

the belt is great to trigger the raid rings as well

[sick sentinel]

don't put too much thought into it, but don't do something like craft a chest peice and then also make a chest set peice and you arent getting 4/4 set

[frank dust]

is lariat not like busted

for tanks

[mortal brook]

Good item

[frank dust]

also haste mastery or haste vers

cuz ive seen some places say both

[sick sentinel]

crit and versa are about equal after haste with mastery being in clear last place

[frank dust]

so just look at stats and see what u want

im guessing

[sick sentinel]

yes, but always haste if you can

its vital to us, it lowers the CD of shield block

[frank dust]

ah ok

that made sense to me but the other stats didnt

crit increases block change right, and vers is just reduced damage taken and more damage done?

[modern brook]

Mastery increases block abd crit block chance, also increases ap

Crit translates to crit and parry %

[frank dust]

so why not run mastery? does it not scale that well

[modern brook]

Verse is flat dr + flat damage increase

[modern brook]

Generally speaking, sb uptime is easy to maintain so your mastery is just a %chance for a crit block and some ap scaling. Essentially making it bad crit

Why fo for a % chance to take 85% reduced damage when you can instead stack % chance to take 0 damage

Also crit is a more impactful offensive stat

[desert jungle]

How is a Prot warrior supposed to get explosives?

[modern brook]

Punch em

[tight prawn]

throw from way downtown

[desert jungle]

Pugging mostly and can’t count on other people all dungeon

[mighty valley]

try and figure out if you're better off stepping to min range of heroic throw, or stepping towards it and just right clicking and trusting the auto attack timer

try not to waste an entire shield slam on it is the only thing

[desert jungle]

@mighty valley thank you. Seems like there’s no real good way then

[mighty valley]

march outside blizzard hq protesting until they remove the min range

[spark cedar]

Where do you guys check routes for dungeons, i don't want to resort to icyveins

[frank dust]

how do you get fiery souls

[mighty valley]

i've just figured mine out by trial and error, but i think the dratnos routes on raider.io are probably the most widespread

[peak drift]

Is incarnate icon worth using?

[daring marlin]

how is this still a thing

like actually

[frank dust]

what should i used valor to upgrade

[forest tulip]

why can't the M+ gods smile upon me and JUST GIVE ME A BETTER 2H.

[strong forum]

M+ loot is a myth

I got a spark today, I'll craft bracers with them and then it's officially impossible for me to get upgrades outside of vault

I'm using 2 items from m+ then, cos ring and whetstone. That's it

[sick sentinel]

craft food belt cuz "ill never get the fire ring anyway"

get the fucking fire ring

[strong forum]

I have 421 fire ring with socket

Bracer is the only slot that can be upgraded

Rest is hard locked until vault upgrade

Literally done with gearing

[sick sentinel]

TBH, i got the mount, ksm so im prety much done atm

increasing rating to 2500 or 3k doesnt make it fly,

[daring marlin]

All about the journey.

[bleak solar]

Anyone else getting one shot by the first dragon in HoV? Did the double pack pull a couple times this fort week on 23 HoV and got absolutely demolished by that dragon breath. Live the first one fine no problem with wall + spell reflect up, but the second one did 500k damage to me with demo shout up (maybe an external blessing of sac, don’t remember). Is that just scaling or am I playing this wrong?

[flat jackal]

Do you guys pull ravager in AA on high fort?

[undone verge]

ravager isnt what scares me, its those battle axes

[cloud umbra]

stun em

[sick sentinel]

seeems like lots of times the ravagers supposed to be breathing me to death, standing right in it basically, but game says no, and i dont take any dmg

[warm plinth]

You're...not supposed to stand in the breath.

[sick sentinel]

of course, just sometimes it goes off and looks like your in it, but your not

you're*

was never debating wether or not to stand in it lol

[sterile bough]

yes

free %

[sterile bough]

I play just for the dragon and hyrjia spell block

[bleak solar]

I figured leaping or intervening away would get me backstabbed by the other 9 mobs I’m tanking?

[bleak solar]

Omg of course. Spell block OP, I’m an idiot

[woeful reef]

To get 2400 mythic+ rating what is the avg level of each dungeon completed? like +19/20 ?

[patent zealot]

18 timed for each dungeon/affix week

[tropic tangle]

don't even think you need that for 2400

[cloud umbra]

did you log it? I have a 23 halls today where the breath hit me for 250k with just ignore pain defensive stance last stand

[warm plinth]

The ravager breath can be sidestepped. It's initially targeted toward the tank but it's fixed.

[violet flume]

my 2chest shadowmoon gave me 314, thats like 2500~ if you do that for all +18s

so i guess a mix of 17 and 18 gives you 2400

290 for 1chest +17 nokhud, averages out to 2320, so yeah mix both 18 and 17 you get 2400

[stiff tusk]

What weapon enchant do you guys prefer wafting devotion or frozen devotion?

[tropic tangle]

My HoV is like ++16 and +17, sits at 297

[sterile bough]

500k is way more likely

it could hti u with 250k with a lot of IP and somed efensives

like keep in mind taht IP is 50% dr

so 100k IP is acutaully 200k dmg

[round pendant]

man the mobs in shadowmoon HURT at +17

[cloud umbra]

he said he had wall up

[sterile bough]

no, he said he only had demo shout

[cloud umbra]

oh i read it wrong

so he had demo and no IP?

[sterile bough]

I guess so

[violet flume]

out of curiosity, how does weapon damage factor in spells ? I check on wowhead and shield slam says it's only 80% of AP, but weapon damage definitely factors in it

like i was under the false impression weapon damage was just for autoattacks now

[cloud umbra]

The ignore pain above that is the absorb from the lightning breath right?

[round pendant]

damn why the heckers am I only blocking like 70% of hits

I swear my shield block is up most of the time

[cloud umbra]

back hits probably haha

[violet flume]

parries, if you have 20% parry and 100% shieldblock chance youd block only 80%

[round pendant]

I only have a 10% parry chance

[violet flume]

how, you have 0% crit?

[round pendant]

20% crit

[violet flume]

i have 16% crit and it gives me 20% parry

or 1800 crit rating

[round pendant]

oh I misread it

[violet flume]

also shield block uptime should be 80% ish

[round pendant]

I read the 10.12% and ignored the 20.98 lmao

[violet flume]

so 20% parry + 20%~ of shield block not being up gets you 70% block chance

[round pendant]

Ah I'm not doing as bad as I thought then

[violet flume]

as long as you dont sit on 2charge shieldblock and dont sit on shield charge too long youll have a healthy shieldblock uptime

[round pendant]

we wiped on the bones on the 3rd pack in SBG

I tried kiting but the mob moved fast as fuck

[cloud umbra]

why does WCL show non blocked hits as damage instead of paried*

if it was parried

[violet flume]

the pack with 3 skeleotns?

[round pendant]

Yeah

[violet flume]

never really did high difficulty keys so never really needed to kite them but in my +18 i felt like it was pretty simple to kite, they probably had slow effects and i stunned with shockwave

[cloud umbra]

they've always been slowed for me too and yesterday they were running faster than me

@round pendant

haha

[round pendant]

yeah they're fast as fuck without any slows I guess

even with 20% from tclap

[cloud umbra]

idk my group really doesnt have any passive slows.. did they hotfix em aha

i do the same thing.. stun the first casts.. kite the rest

and yesterday there was no such thing as kiting em

[violet flume]

You can see miss %

[warm plinth]

The decision of whether to turn in weekly as prot or dps 😱

[violet flume]

really wish vault/M+ had a way to get offspec gear a bit

[cloud umbra]

this is what i was saying drayen

[violet flume]

yeah it only displays your hits taken, not avoided

[round pendant]

miss percent 22.45%, blocked 68.35 (this is the lowest I've had in a while sadge)

I wasn't spamming SB enough

[violet flume]

the SS i sent shows missed attacks which includes parries

[cloud umbra]

ya thats what yam was mentioning initially

i had SB up 100% in that dung and still missed 12% haha. Im assuming it's back hits when chaining mobs

[warm plinth]

12% is a buttload of hits to the back if you had 100% uptime

[violet flume]

100% uptime is not possible

[warm plinth]

Um, what

[round pendant]

Yeah it is

[cloud umbra]

it sure it

is

[warm plinth]

It is easily possible.

[violet flume]

oh yea the shield slam +2s talent

lmao im always using into the fray forgot it even existed

[cloud umbra]

its almost possible without it

[round pendant]

itf sucks

[violet flume]

really? how

[round pendant]

I'm just not pressing shield block enough somehow

[violet flume]

hey 10% haste is nice

[round pendant]

good for raids yeah

[cloud umbra]

with high enough haste its almost possible right?

theres SMALL lapses

[violet flume]

yeah for sure but i dont think those haste levels are attainable

[round pendant]

noooo

[violet flume]

during lust most likely attainable

[cloud umbra]

i almost had it hitting a training dummy.. there is gaps of 3-4 secs though.. in dungeons between packs can be those gaps

just try it out on a dummy

[round pendant]

should I macro shield block with shield slam

[cloud umbra]

no lol

[violet flume]

8sec uptime 11sec cd on shield block , thats 72% uptime with into the fray

i get 83% ish in M+ , extra % is from shield charge

you 100% need heavy repercussions for 100% uptime

[round pendant]

oh well I may be a paper tank but at least I'm doing fat damage

[violet flume]

nice

avatar clap revenge spam dps in big groups always feels great

[cloud umbra]

how much haste do you have pre ITF?

[violet flume]

30%

[cloud umbra]

ill test it out again when i get back online.. i just did it last week

[round pendant]

[warm plinth]

sadge

[cerulean tusk]

[round pendant]

What do I do, upgrade my 392 sword to 405 + shield to 418 (from 411) or sword to 418 and keep 411 shield

I have a 402 weapon too, but it's heroic raid loot

[cerulean tusk]

Always shield. Shield is life.

Shield is the alpha and omega.

[round pendant]

Raidbots won't let me upgrade my crafted weapons in the gear compare

otherwise I'd just sim

[last mason]

what do u guys think of the alch trinks if you have low ilvl trinks still

[cerulean tusk]

Sleepy, save the gold. Just farm some m+ ones.

[violet flume]

the haste one seems nice

i was kinda thinking of picking the JC haste one

[violet flume]

if you enter a fight with 2 shield block charges and shield charge, you can maintain 100% shieldblock uptime for quite a bit

but eventually it drops down

just tested it with 5x stack of itf

[cerulean tusk]

Higher ilvl shield equals more block value. Block value is what ya call premium stat

[cloud umbra]

ya think downtime between packs

and bolster if you have to to cover

[violet flume]

i think its fair enough to say heavy repercussions is not worth ahha

[round pendant]

HR is king in m+

[cloud umbra]

ya haha.. i think they said 35% haste pre ITF is where its able to get 100% SB uptime but i may be wrong

heavy repercussions still king though

[violet flume]

if ITF gives you close to 100% uptime when a pack is most dangerous and it gives you 10% more ignore pain + 10% more damage.. i cant see myself taking heavy repercussions

[cloud umbra]

i get it.. but in high keys any drop is you drop

[violet flume]

this definitely has me rethink my shield charge usage, ill use that on CD way more now

[round pendant]

You're not guaranteed to get 10% haste from ITF either

[violet flume]

was often keeping it around for interrupts

[round pendant]

If you're all melee specs + prot paladin, sure

[cloud umbra]

you 100% want to SC on cd with demo if you take off thunder talent

[frank saddle]

anyone know of/have a weak aura for spell reflect timing of last boss azure vault?

there was one for nokhud last boss that works pretty well

[cloud umbra]

It shows it on littlewigs for me. Timings for conductive strike

[bleak solar]

DBM timers work fine for me. I just have the upcoming bars (<10sec) front and center. Like a GCD or two ahead of time I’ll hold steady so I can pop spell reflect right as that cast starts (or even 1-2 GCD ahead of the cast) which allows you have the next strike occur right as spell reflect comes off CD

[cloud umbra]

i use the reflect weak aura too.. although its buggy it still reminds me at good times

conductive strike is the best reflect in that dung though.. feels good to have that ticking dot on the boss haha

[mighty valley]

does huge damage, makes the other tankbuster useless

win win

[cloud umbra]

The amount of times my reflect weak aura baited me into reflecting thunderstirke though

i still havent updated it

[dawn venture]

Hello guys, should I craft Primal Molten Shield or Shield of the Hearth? Thanks 🙂

[floral sundial]

@dawn venture both are good options, but most seem to save their 2 embellishments for the lariat and then helm/belt, so safe bet would probably be to go Primal Molten shield

[last mason]

whats the highest possible % u can have to craft r5

of anything

[dawn venture]

Thanks alot

[dawn venture]

May I ask what Belt/Helm is that?

[floral sundial]

@dawn venture Unstable frostfire belt or Infurious Helm of Vengence. Both are embellishment locked armor peices that are strong options. Most seem to go Lariat, and one of these two options for their limited 2 Embellishments all gear being equal. Of course, I'll and what you already have should also be considered

@dawn venture I lvl***

[tropic tangle]

imo, belt lariat is the play

belt works even when you're not taking damage (like in raid on swaps)

and it will proc the fire ring from Eranog, which is generally very good overall

[dawn venture]

Thanks ^^

[solar shadow]

I have 3 trinkys, Dec of Flame 402, Gift of Radiance 408 and All Totem LFR, do I just rock the x2 onuse?

[muted rivet]

Dec and gift

100%

[rough egret]

morning slamers, how do we like Big Toe?

[hasty island]

heyo. I play prot as alt, so not 100% familiar with all the talents in the tree. Is there one I can take to increase rage generation? I lack rage sometimes, esp on bosses in m+

[amber siren]

Link your current talents?

[hasty island]

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[amber siren]

It's OK, has str and crit is good but the damage part of it is pretty low

[amber siren]

Getting an error code for that but you'll want something like this - https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA - can swap TL for battering ram for better ST and to sync DS with CDs better

[thick rivet]

how do people get shield block uptime wtih into the fray?

I've been getting ~94% with heavy reprecussions all season and just tried into the fray

ended with 86 with into the fray, and it felt really bad on some pulls

where it ran out and i was really dependent on healer

[lofty widget]

well yeah thats the trade-off

you need quite high haste %, like 35-40 to not have that downtime

[thick rivet]

Oh yea makes sense, my warrior alt is still 402, will get more haste in future

[jaunty reef]

Is it mostly Shield slam that can take explosives?

Revenge and TC are aoe

I try to use Heroic Throw too, but I need to get further away a lot of the time

[lofty widget]

melees too

[amber siren]

Shield slam and autos mostly

[jaunty reef]

Was told protection warriors are good at it

[amber siren]

Not the case unfortunately

[left bloom]

Imagine heroic throw not having a minimum range

Or make it so impending victory resets on explosives like the good old days

[urban portal]

prot warrior is probably the worst tank at explosives

maybe prot pal is worse?

[idle violet]

Can you both use the Cobalt ring with the broodkeeper diurna ring? Or do they share cooldown? I feel like im having troubles tanking 23s and with the turtle trinket + Cobalt ring + DIurna shield, I would gain so much survivability

[lofty widget]

sure you could, shouldnt be necesarry tho

[spiral nova]

How to choose talent when to use Heavy Repercussions or In to the fray?

[tame jasper]

Yeah I'm always annoyed by this in explosives week, but If I could choose between no minimum range and the old silence effect I would take the silence

[thick rivet]

Is stance swapping on a separate cooldown from gcd

am I supposed to be going into def stance the moment void slash hits in sbg

and swapping back to battle stance

[lofty widget]

stance swapping is off the gcd but has an internal 3 sec cd

[thick rivet]

oh

[split stratus]

Hi, I want to craft the CR bracers (I'm no engineer), Should I put Critical Failure Prevention Unit or Calibrated Safety Switch on them ?

[mental scarab]

@thick rivet SR that shiet for free dmg

[amber siren]

Being able to judge them is nice, throwing avengers at them feels pretty awful though

[weary saddle]

i used calibrated safety switch

[split stratus]

Thanks! And do we know what the catastrophic malfunction is ?

Will it kill me or something like that ?

[strong forum]

Yes

It can kill you, or polymorph you for 10 seconds

[weary saddle]

i hv never been killed but i hv been polyed

but the weakness of engi brez is not the failure rate but the simple fact as a tank i often cannot find the dead body in the heat of battle

[cobalt mesa]

how do you rotate defensives on crawth +24 fortified for pecks ?

[thick rivet]

almost at 100 :_:

do i just have to have a degen playstyle for 100 block lol

[strong forum]

Actual 100 is impossible

You'd need to put up SB before entering combat to get actual 100%

[thick rivet]

If I have like 20 seconds of sb up, do I use revenge or shield slam?

revenge for the tier set

sometimes my tier falls off during avatar

with a lot of shield slam resets

but idk if its worth shield slamming to fish for another wall

[hazy sluice]

Can you miss out on a catalyst charge by not handing in the quest ?

[mental scarab]

Bind SS to IP

@thick rivet

[rough egret]

Yes

[hazy sluice]

My wife on her main got this problem kind of. Finished the quest last week and didn't turn it in.

[rough egret]

Yep

[hazy sluice]

Rip

[pallid quiver]

when can i shield slam my party for rage

i'll do it, i swear on me mum

[thick rivet]

i did already

[mental scarab]

Sweeet

[split stratus]

Is it just me or the SR WeakAura plays the sound even if I'm not targeted by the spell ? https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[thick rivet]

omg lol i just realized

my macro was trolliong

it had shield slam casting before ip....

so much wasted rage

honestly need a ban for that

[mental scarab]

[tulip kelp]

Why are you killing rasz just curious

I pugged it like 4 weeks ago once for the achieve and then haven’t bothered since cause no loot

Ahh

Yeah he’s got nothing

[split stratus]

I heard someone talking about a macro to use healthstone/health pot based on remaining life, does something like that really exist ?

[tepid raptor]

that's a bot then

a script i guess