protection

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[sick sentinel]

me when someone dies to nothing

[dire matrix]

me no run itf

also

[wooden widget]

well you had me at more ss

where point go

int i guess

[pallid quiver]

Int shout's good, but it depends on what your tree looks like atm

BT's a big priblem point and may suggest other issues with your build.

i have no idea if you've elaborated on your talents or not, i just glanced while at work

[wooden widget]

i can link it

sec

[dire matrix]

is the default m+ build

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, Int Shout is where I'd put it

[wooden widget]

ok and honed is bait too kinda? or not much value?

[warm plinth]

Yes intimidating shout is a good place. But I'd also move pain and gain to bounding stride (personal QoL choice and not required)

Honed is garbage

[urban portal]

No value in honed

[pallid quiver]

Honed is used for the 1s pumnel cr

[warm plinth]

Wasted point

[urban portal]

Unless you are down bad for kick cd

[warm plinth]

If you aren't using kick absolutely on cooldown, it's worthless.

[wooden widget]

gotcha naw i got a enh in my group

[urban portal]

Honed+whatever opposite of sidearm is

[pallid quiver]

So if you don't literally need that 1s cd, wasted point, but at least better than BT still

[urban portal]

Kind of funny

[wooden widget]

ok thanks guys

[pallid quiver]

Other options can be Bounding Stride, Titanic Throw

[urban portal]

Overwhelming rage

Up to you

All sorts of junk

[wooden widget]

pain and gain bad? looking at my recent 20 it did 6.5percent healing

[pallid quiver]

Also pain and gain for cowards, gain more utility

pain and gain's not actually bad, ot's just not massive, either, so i don't run it personally

[wooden widget]

lots of overheal on it

oof

[pallid quiver]

It's a fine enough point, but it won't make or break keys

[wooden widget]

gotcha

[pallid quiver]

I defualt to Bounding and Int shout instead of your BT and Pain and Gain, myself

[wooden widget]

i love bounding

and not having int kinda sucked in AV recently

pain and gain is that terrible covenant tree thing isnt it

ugh

[sick sentinel]

would it be too greedy to play this in "safe" keys since bleeds are 22% of my overall and 20% on that is kinda huge?

If there are safe keys lol

[warm plinth]

You don't run that. You can't take it without losing damage elsewhere (idk why you're running bolster in keys anyway). And it's a very small amount of damage for 2 talent points.

[sick sentinel]

I was playing Punish for spicy bosses to get some dmg reduction with shield slam

What would be the alternative for more dps then

[warm plinth]

You should always play punish

[sick sentinel]

Punish + Tough as nails if i dont need spell block?

[warm plinth]

Yep

Tough as Nails by itself is about as much damage as Bloodborne is for only one point.

[mighty valley]

per talent point spent, it's 10% of your 22%, so 2.2%, which is not thrilling

[wooden widget]

bloodborne does not spark joy

[warm plinth]

The game does

[mighty valley]

Stop Using Barbaric Training, Start Playing Bloodborne (PS4, 2015)

[warm plinth]

:kekw

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

if you gave me a brick gameboy and mm3 for said gameboy, i could beat that game on the first try probably no death

muscle memory, im not a dark souls guy

[ornate snow]

I have a question. Can both fury and arms roll main spec need on 1h AND 2h?

I need a definite answer

I have noticed im in the prot section

But fuck it

[warm plinth]

Only fury can main spec both

Arms is 2h only

[sick sentinel]

yes due to fury has SMF

[ornate snow]

So no matter what, if a warrior rolls need offspec, he HAS to be rolling as prot if its a 2h

[warm plinth]

Correct

[ornate snow]

Bahahahahahahahaha

[warm plinth]

why o_O

[sick sentinel]

i mean, same but shield you could also say then

[ornate snow]

This just got a million times funnier

[sick sentinel]

same but different

[ornate snow]

I posted this earlier, sorry for double post

[warm plinth]

I don't even understand the logic here. Is he attributing "off spec need" to people who attend the raid as one and loot as another? Or does he actually mean need - offspec rolls

[sick sentinel]

the logic is: he didn't get the loot >>> angry

[ornate snow]

No no

He GOT the loot

I just asked nicely if i could take it for offspec

[lusty narwhal]

for Mythic Dathea should we be speccing into shockwave for platforms?

[ornate snow]

He had a much better set on is why i asked

[sick sentinel]

o, no i only ever refuse to trade gear if the guy is being a dick, or if i get a str only proc trinket, and then a hunter asks for it

[ornate snow]

Gotta put them bow bois in their place

[sick sentinel]

TBH i trade most of the gear i get away

[ornate snow]

Same especially in raids

Barely any of it is useable bc of vault/m+ upgradeable gear

[warm plinth]

All gear is hunter gear though

[sick sentinel]

raid is different for me, raid is transmogs

[ornate snow]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[plush prism]

do any of you crackheads use Hunger of the Pack in M+?

[sick sentinel]

the teleport ring took me to Vault of Archivon,

[warm plinth]

On my rogue I do

[sick sentinel]

it was being held by alliance

[warm plinth]

a 415 one

[ornate snow]

This just made my night tho finding out this man was shitting on me while being in the wrong loot spec

Has to be

Brez pretty not needed this week lol

[sick sentinel]

Icyveins lists primal molten defender as a non-embellished piece, but I thought it was. Has that been changed or is IV wrong?

primal molten means its barebone

Ah ok. It's shield of the hearth that is embellished my bad

Also I have the full "walking mountain set", and it says it goes to 424 in pvp. So is there a whole different tier set for pve, or is it the same set?

[warm plinth]

uh, idk. I didn't think tier scaled in pvp

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone here already down or are currently on Mythic Dathea?

[slim dove]

its fine.

only 1 mob does anything in that pull.

i pull the next group along with it

6 shieldmaidens ezz

[uneven mason]

It begins

[sick sentinel]

what begings

can you please elaborate what you mean by that

i already got my ksm,............... im just trying to get IO

[proud dock]

is dwarf bis for all tanks - that can roll dwarf?

[sick sentinel]

Night elf is pretty pog too with shadowmeld so you drop aggro and reset nasty stacks if your group fails to cc them

[slim dove]

shadowmeld to drop aggro so a dps gets clapped?

wat.

rn with crawth and 2nd boss rlp being such big deals, dwarf is absolutely bis rn.

[warm plinth]

Shadowmeld doesn't drop aggro on bosses. Which lets you do cool shit like cancel a jade serpent strike

BUT

You have to be a night elf, which is just gross.

[inland garnet]

Hey, how good is the Seal of Filial Duty?
Got the 418 one from the weekly q, worth crafting the waist for it? Since I am already full on embelishments

[warm plinth]

Probably

[slim dove]

the absorb ring? its eh.

shield is consumed before IP

looks good on meters, ain't really that great.

[inland garnet]

I see, thanks

[warm plinth]

I'll consume you before IP

gottem

[slim dove]

[turbid shuttle]

human bis for clearing your own stun when your shit team doesn't clear you

"you guys not gonna clear? not my problem. enjoy your dirt nap"

[upbeat cloud]

Any point on training my ruby whelp shell? And if so which way should I go with it?

[ocean bloom]

you can sim it

[sick sentinel]

used to love halls of valor before today

[tulip kelp]

what happened bb

[glass robin]

Which one first: Lariat or Shield for 418?

[sick sentinel]

the were fortfied,and then they exploded, and then they burst on us, and then there was some thunder crap

thats pretty much how we died

[warm plinth]

Shield>Weapon>whatever else

[sick sentinel]

it was extremely fun uhhh.... 49 minutes 35 second >.>

[mighty valley]

holy shit i just caught up on this. i can't even begin to understand this guy's problem

[sick sentinel]

i had some guy today tell me "im gunna put your name up in top 20 groups or some shit" after a failed key today, so i report him, note says dsoxxing lol

[frozen rose]

for mythic spidey, how are yall avoiding getting tornado'd after u take first portal during stairs? like it normally doesn't happen, but every now and then i get sent straight into a nado, which incapacitates me essentially, doesnt allow me to heroic leap. instead just punts me off the platform

[pallid quiver]

I've been thinking about that one all day

I can't even come up with a comment

[frozen rose]

like it feels so rng

[sick sentinel]

Does going from a 402--> 418 shield greatly increase the amount you're blocking or is just a bit of an increase?

[slim dove]

its big.

[glass robin]

thanks!

[urban portal]

if you can tell me how much extra block rating exactly you get i can tell you how much extra block it is

[upbeat cloud]

theres a way to sim the training for it as well?

[ocean bloom]

i thought there was on raidbots but maaybe im wrong

[upbeat cloud]

found it, thanks 🙂

[slow harbor]

whats our stat prio again, haste > vers = crit > mastery?

[warm plinth]

ilevel first, but yes

[lilac hill]

I am ripping threat off my VDH CoTank on mythic terros on pull. Similar ilvl. Anyone else having issues?

[mighty valley]

can you just go first?

[toxic pewter]

Talk to him and tell him to taunt more and do more damage

[slow harbor]

Is there any option if someone pulls HoV ox into the main instance, or have to kill?

[toxic pewter]

Basically just kill it

[lilac hill]

I’m slow rolling CDs and he’s out dpsing me and it still happens

[toxic pewter]

He’s probably leaving melee range

Tell him to stop doing that

[warm plinth]

flashbacks to gunker monkas

[toxic pewter]

I’m anti-artificially lowering performance, so definitely stop doing that too

[slim dove]

so uh

you just go first

why is he starting

[toxic pewter]

Nah it’s Terros so the other vdh tank definitely leaving melee range and he’s snapping to warr tank

[lilac hill]

I’ll watch the VoD and see if that’s it thanks. I could take it on pull we just got in a rhythm

[tight tusk]

Mythic Sennarth... does heroic leap bug out if you do it during Grip on the last platform? or is it just me

[dawn venture]

I just hit level 70, what consumables should I get for my Prot? Thanks!

[warm plinth]

Check one of the guides in the pins @dawn venture they both have a consumables/enchants/gems section.

[dawn venture]

Thanks

[limpid pawn]

so i used my first catalyst yesterday and i don't have another no matter what

[warm plinth]

Did you complete the quest?

[limpid pawn]

yeah i turned it in for the first time yesterday

i don't see a new quest

[warm plinth]

You have to do the quest each week. There isn't any catch-up.

[tacit solstice]

^^^

Also any chance anyone knows If warrior hits the other boss for duo boss in temple, can't remember name the 2nd one normally

I didn't see anything like clap or revenge but wanted to check

[limpid pawn]

oh so im behind a week forever

damn

[warm plinth]

2 weeks, if that was your first one

[misty coyote]

What is spell reflectable with Dathea

Not the add, just Dathea

[warm plinth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[misty coyote]

Bog gud

bot*

[coral umbra]

How’s haste mastery for all the crafted stuff?

[wooden widget]

Not a huge deal if you’re coming from fury and don’t wanna recraft

It’s not perfect, but only a sim can tell you what’s perfect

If you haven’t made anything yet and plan on prot / arms, I’d go haste and crit

[coral umbra]

Awesome thank you

[paper herald]

So doing M Dathea prog now and am debating whether to keep all my crafted gear as haste/vers or change to haste/crit. Hoe bad is the survival hit without the vers?

[mortal brook]

its a physical hit

so 💤

[amber siren]

The difference between vers and crit for surviving is so minor

Outside of parrying outright being in crits favour

[robust lark]

which healers can get rid of poison? for AA tree

[mortal brook]

all but priest

[robust lark]

awesome well cool

I usually run with my priest friend good to know

[warm plinth]

Shaman can't really do it either. Their totem only removes 1 stack per pulse.

Which is basically nothing on that fight

[round pendant]

FINALLY

[warm plinth]

pog

[round pendant]

While learning arms, the tank got the drop and I guilt tripped him into giving it to me

[warm plinth]

waow

lol

[slow harbor]

so youre telling me its bad that i have a whetstone and dont use it..

[round pendant]

yes.

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/w6TQ.gif

[round pendant]

by guilt trip all I did was say "please uwu"

[slow harbor]

i dumped valor into hoof and i've sided with the sunk cost fallacy

[rough egret]

[round pendant]

well good news, valor is uncapped next week

[slow harbor]

whetstone tuesday they call it

[round pendant]

I wonder, grieftorch + whetstone a good combo for m+?

I got like so many uses out of my grieftorch in that run because people kept dying

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's fine. Just gotta be careful with grieftorch ofc

[round pendant]

for sure

tho I have all-totem, so maybe all-totem + whetstone is just better

grieftorch to pad pug raids 👍

[frozen rose]

anyone know why the void spawns in shadow moon sometimes appear on the 2nd pull, after u skip the roamer and go to the left?

[open quartz]

pgf

[amber siren]

just a bug

afaik no way to prevent it

[lofty widget]

It jumps between left and right side

So if youre too fast/slow on 1st pull its gonna be on left side for 2nd pull

[amber siren]

i think they mean the void spawn will swap sides after engaging the spirit pack

which it shouldn't be doing, but it can happen

[cinder storm]

If the void is set to swap it will spawn regardless

[flat jackal]

So.. weird bug, but if you’re progging on brood and tanking adds, then tell your evoker to actually hard target you for cauterize to remove bleed instead of using mouse over

Like click on your nameplate

And then cast the spell

Might not happen to all, but that’s the only way our evokers can seem to caut the bleed

[jagged pier]

eh?

sounds like your evoker bad

when i ask for a cleanse i always get it

[median tulip]

Whispering Incarnate Icon - thoughts on it (I have All-Totem, DoF, Rumbling Ruby at same tier and Windscar Whetstone at same ilvl)

[jagged pier]

for what?

[median tulip]

Tanking :P

[worthy haven]

ok so i main brew, but brewmaster tanks are all so zen-like and friendly in their personality, i need to share this story with my rage boys

[jagged pier]

what content

[median tulip]

HC and the start of Mythic Raiding, high keys

[jagged pier]

u need a tank in raid to have icon

just 1

[grand saddle]

Is there a solution to the aggro resetting in sbg

Ppl just spam dying

[ionic fern]

Aggro resetting?

[worthy haven]

i just ran an 18smbg, and a hunter told me im a trash tank, let me see if you agree with his reasoning, on the 2nd boss, I purposely pulled 4 adds, used RoP to group them all up, then hit bonedust brew, exploding keg, and potion of shocking disclosure to pad my dps, i went from 29k to like 54k on that boss, dps died, i lived, we +2ed the key, and killed the boss first shot

[jagged pier]

and in m+ its mid but u should run it if the healer and tank have it

[worthy haven]

i think I crushed it

the dead dps called me an asshole

I was 2nd overall with 51k 😄 ilvl 406

[median tulip]

Hmmm; I'll check with my co-tank. It's that or a socket from this vault, anyway

[hazy sluice]

Can some1 explain umbrelskuls crystals ? There seems to be a hardened crystal next to the tank spawning that absorbs damage ?

Always thought it is bugged not taking damage immediately due to tanking the boss in the wall and the crystal not being hit kinda, but yesterday I read for the first time that it is called hardened crystal

Cannot find further explanations on its mechanic

[steep wraith]

Look in the dungeon journal

Should explain what it does there

[hazy sluice]

Oh man I am so dumb. MDT is the new dungeon journal for me, literally forgot that the dungeon journal exists... Thx

[median tulip]

It has an absorb shield as well as its HP

[hazy sluice]

Okay so just focus it just as the others and there are no special strats behind it ?

[median tulip]

I try to find the biggest group of crystals and stand there to spam AoEs

[hazy sluice]

Yesterday we one shot the boss on 21 and on a 20 we wiped 4 times. Looking to understand and get more control over the fight, it feels so random and we get to the level where u can't outdamage everything

[median tulip]

It's a fucking awful fight, NGL

[hazy sluice]

Sometimes the orbs hyper chase u and sometimes they chill right before you

I rlly don't get it

I guess I just prefer fights where u have full control, like 2nd ruby and 3rd temple boss. Feeling like a real tank there, planning ahead and not hoping that boss mechanics randomly make the fight ten times more difficult than the last try

[wraith ledge]

Hi, I'm new to WoW just started last week, spec in prot warrior, I checked the guides section but couldn't find what I'm looking for, so sorry for the beginner question

I finished the 5 sparks quests and got my 1x primal infusion from normal vault quest, would like to prepare gold & material to send out crafting orders, but I'm not sure which items to spend my primal infusion on, and also which for spark? My current ilvl is 360.

Here are my raidbot sims from droptimizer, what I'm not sure is if dps gain should be something I focus on when gearing..

Attached droptimizer sim for quality 5, 392 ilvl epic crafts

and here's the one for primal infusion

[warm plinth]

Prioritize shield, then weapon, then whatever will net you the biggest gain. Generally that'll be your embellishments. We don't really use any of the darkmoon trinkets because there are better options available relatively easily.

[wraith niche]

You can check the bottom of this page but i agree that shield should probably be prio 1

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[wraith ledge]

So aim to use primal infusion for shield craft right?

[warm plinth]

yes

[wraith ledge]

Alright I will take a look at the guide too, thanks guys

[wraith ledge]

Oh btw when you said other trinkets could you give me some examples? Is the one from storm fury any good, it's called Sands of Temporal Perfection

[warm plinth]

whetstone, blazebinder's hoof, trampling hooves trinket from NO

[wraith ledge]

Alright ty

[robust lark]

am I just a big shitter or do DHs pull threat if I'm not like super on my game

buddy in my guild is 408 DH and I'm 411 and he has a habit of ripping threat

I might just suck

[jagged pier]

if your a warrior

VDH

should not be ripped threat

or havoc

[robust lark]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2Pwv8HW4TmBXMztn/#fight=last&type=summary here's my crappy log

[jagged pier]

or anythiong

[robust lark]

😦

The first death I whacked the big rock in RLP first pull and then went past to pull the first 2 little packs together, and he ripped on the big guy before it ran to me, so I think I can safely say that's not entirely on me

other times I might just not be generating enough on 1 mob in a pack and he rips it while I'm grouping em

is my theory

like moving past 1 mob to get a couple behind it and I didn't get enough threat on the one ever so slightly far away, that he ends up with

any pro tips appreciated

[ionic fern]

If they are ripping aggro when you are still grouping mobs that's on them.

[warm plinth]

Yeah blowing their load early is 100% a them problem

[ionic fern]

If you are losing aggro when they are already grouped then that's on you.

[jagged pier]

i mean hes wasting about 10% rage

which doesnt help

and casts in general lower than expected

[robust lark]

flame me papa I'm trying to get better

[jagged pier]

so thats not gunna help ither

[robust lark]

I was also in D stance, my cardinal sin, too much before I noticed

[onyx vessel]

Thats not the problem

[robust lark]

surely didn't help though

[onyx vessel]

I mean if jakey says they be blowing there load too hard on the start

[jagged pier]

alot of dps do

[onyx vessel]

I like when i dps i still heroic throw before i charge

And get yelled at when i rip

[robust lark]

I'm not doing that enough

I will do that more

fubu'in my opener

[onyx vessel]

If its pugs they gonna ignore it

And keep doing what they already doing

See the point is grouping is important but as a dps how do they know if you are going to do this

Say pulling big wait for a second

Everyone cares about that overall dmg in a key too much

[robust lark]

Is Wow Analyzer good for us?

[jagged pier]

no

[robust lark]

cool

[dawn venture]

Which crafted pieces should I get for my warrior just hit level 70?

[jagged pier]

shield

[onyx vessel]

4 more jakey

[jagged pier]

whatever else u want

[onyx vessel]

True

Rings are quite cheap tbh

A 405 costed me like 4k

No commission only a tip

[jagged pier]

i dunno there far more powerful rings from other places

[onyx vessel]

Requires luck

[jagged pier]

and if you are freshly dinged u should get items with strength on them

[onyx vessel]

Expensive

[jagged pier]

not really i was still using colbalt ring till I kill like kurog on mythic

[bold turret]

Off-tier / gloves are alright I think to craft

[onyx vessel]

I was using 369 rings till like 400 overall

Yeah ring was my 6th spark peice

You right

[jagged pier]

imagine getting a 6th spark

[onyx vessel]

From rares

Highest chances sadly

[jagged pier]

brah i literally cant get an upgrade from crafts anyway

my gear is disgusting

[onyx vessel]

Off spec

Bres bracers

[jagged pier]

i have

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

[onyx vessel]

Idk what else then

How many crafted peices

[jagged pier]

4

[onyx vessel]

Which ones

[jagged pier]

helm bracers neck belt

[onyx vessel]

I wasted 1 of my sparks but i may use it later

You use the reflect helm?

[jagged pier]

no engi

[onyx vessel]

Oh

I crafted a chest but its only 384 really early

Rocking 5p right now

Yeah i guess you really dont need a 6th spark

Damn

[dawn venture]

so i should get shield first?

[jagged pier]

yes

[bold turret]

If I’ve got blazehoof + horn at 415… do I take 421 trampling hoofs? It sims well ST but idk if it’s bait. I ONLY do M+, raid trinkets are off the table

[narrow sundial]

guys, anyone in eu can craft me a shield 405?

[bold turret]

Has to be your sever group, best look on your servers crafting discord

[lilac jay]

It’s also nice in m+ - probably one of the best trinkets out of mythic plus that are non useable. I play it in combination with Whetstone.

[bold turret]

Do you have a damage breakdown over a whole key?

[lilac jay]

its always like 3-4.5% overall dmg. depends on procs

[merry phoenix]

any quick prot warr tips for heroic raza before i begin pugging this

[ionic fern]

Don't die.

[jagged pier]

^

[merry phoenix]

bruh

anything that can be spell blocked/reflected

[jagged pier]

how about u look at the sheet

🤔

[merry phoenix]

which one

[jagged pier]

the on in the pins

thats has been there since beta

[lime urchin]

Sassy!

[surreal lake]

Is it me or are there a bunch of variations in our spec

I have an alt warrior and my main is a rogue

Rogues dont really have any meaningful choices

On one hand i find it awesome

But on the other hand im like durrr

[lime urchin]

for m+? no

or maybe I do not understand correctly

[stuck basin]

doesnt rougue have like 3 speccs to choose at least 😅

[ionic fern]

For raid you got variations depending on fight.
For m+ you also got variations.

Not huge ones..but some can be done.

[heady sapphire]

the builds #1 and #3 from this post feel kinda similiar, no?

[ionic fern]

They are both m+ builds and both work.

Is there a more specific question regarding that remark?

[heady sapphire]

I'm trying to discern whether they play mostly the same, or whether there's a situation where one of them would be worse.
As far as I can tell, it's yes for first, and no for second.

[ionic fern]

They play roughly the same, yes.
The Thunderlord one provides more Demoralizing Shout increasing the uptime of the DR etc, but it desyncs the Booming Voice burst windows from your other big offensive cooldowns causing you to deal less damage.

The Battering Ram one will provide more damage while also being strong defensively. It's also strong in ALL situations, Thunderlord falls off hard in ST scenarios (like bosses in m+).

[vagrant garden]

Hey all, is there anyone who plays with second wind talent in m+ ?

[jagged pier]

why would u take second wind?

your always taking damage

[vagrant garden]

True just exploring the talent tree and see if anyone used it and for what 🙂

[vagrant garden]

What server are u on?

If anyone need 418 shield on TN EU feel free to msg me 🙂

[vivid abyss]

Guys I am main BDK and now doing 20s keys on my alt warrior, I feel like i have threat issues if I am not planning my dmg cooldowns around the packs

is that normal or I am doing something wrong?

i mean when I do ravager + roar opener on big pack its all good, but then on next pack sometimes avatar claps are not enough to keep aggro

[ionic fern]

Then you are not pressing buttons enough.

[vivid abyss]

could this be also because I am rocking only 405 wep a 402 shield?

[ionic fern]

Avatar alone with TC spam weaving Revenges/SS's is enough to keep aggro.

[vivid abyss]

i guess i am not doing revenge enough at the start of pack

[lime urchin]

Do you have a log perhaps Mael? That would helping you a lot easier!

[vivid abyss]

nah i dont but i will collect one so i can share it, cause i feel like i am certainly doing something wrongly since my dmg isnt as good as it should be I think

[lime urchin]

Great!

[sick sentinel]

hov fort bursting explosive is an annoying key, lotta little things that can go wrong

[wraith niche]

Can always use aoe taunt on the pack without dps cooldowns

[sick sentinel]

A, or B

have been instructed to do A in the past, often ends up more like B

red dot being approximate kill pile location

a group once said " you have to los them to the stairs so they group up and we can aoe them" esesntially what i read

have to contend with a 1 shot, and frontal that can go on group

[dapper shuttle]

Your back should be towards the boss and the ranged should be by the stairs to LoS. Melee if they get hit with frontals they weren’t paying attention

You should just be side stepping the beam

Then moving back

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you were asking/saying.

I assumed you were referring to pull 10

And where to tank them

[sick sentinel]

nah its okay i don' explain myself properly some time

this area of HOV been giving me huge headaches this week though

[glacial ore]

To save time you can also do the two pack of three together and pull the two mobs (top left on your pic) with the previous packs

[grave orchid]

what skills should i use as a protection warrior to kill the explosives? heroic throw?

[glacial ore]

Just make sure to destack the debuffs sometimes by kitting a bit or/and mass cc

[dapper shuttle]

Whatever you can of out of range yes heroic throw

Usually auto or revenge

[glacial ore]

Just try to aim the beam towards the side, and blame melee if they stay in front^^

[grave orchid]

revenge is kind of a waste right, and heroic throw has a range limit

[deft mortar]

u may need to act move to dodge the frontals too if its a high key

[plush tendon]

so when I do this pull, I actually kite around in a circle to avoid mortel hews and then healer/range los's the shield of light dude when he tries to jump so that he stays in the group

really, just need to be predictable with movement so you dont 180 a melee

but I pull all of that together; if you just doing 1 pack at a time, just finding a corner and holding your ground also works

[dense ledge]

that's how I do that pull, just need to heroic leap to the caster and interrupt and then start kiting, instead of walking all the way to the side you can also skull mark the caster and when he is dead chain into the next pack

[deft mortar]

tbf u can quickly rotate the breath away too

and then if its sanguine week all of this is fkd

fk a plan just go in do it right brother LETS GOOO

[wraith ledge]

Hi, any idea which cobalt assembly ring should prot warrior buy? I heard the damage proc ring is really strong

[sick sentinel]

everybody knows about hold W for win, but didnt you hear about hold S for step mobs out of sanguini

[deft mortar]

u can also w outta sanguine tho

STR8 TO HEIMDALL

[sick sentinel]

sanguine, is, its not so much of a problem, now that i comprehend fully how it works

[uneven mason]

Exposes your back

[deft mortar]

ARMOR

Fkn palas can block from behind I think

or what that DHs dodging from behind

[uneven mason]

Warriors like this is why we need our mitigation outside of block nerfed

[deft mortar]

tf is mitigation

[uneven mason]

So you can't get to+20 with whirlwind on your hotkeys

[sick sentinel]

prot warrior is literal "im just a guy with a shield, whats going on here. no i don't know any magic"

[deft mortar]

And I pump 200k aoe

[deft mortar]

Whwile the magic guy does nothing

[plush tendon]

go for damage

shield ring is good as well, but you dont really need it till much higher key levels

[sick sentinel]

i swear having the timer in mythic + fucks with your head too

[uneven mason]

It's really not good?

[timber forge]

cos is 94% before rp/last boss?

[uneven mason]

Because you probably lose more defensively because it has reduced stats to afford the proc

[amber siren]

about that yeah, minus a decimal point

[plush tendon]

I mean, if you looking at those rings, im assuming you are just starting out

the rings do punch well above their weight in terms of value and are worthwhile to get, but get replaced once you get some higher gear you can boost with valor

[deft mortar]

whay yall sim in dungeon slice

[plush tendon]

1 traget 5 min, 5 target 1 min, and a dungeon slice just to see

[deft mortar]

think i sim like -45k in 1 tar 5 min pathchwerk

I could proba do like 40k in actual game

Mostly cuz I dont flask pot or potion unless its actual content xd

[sick sentinel]

phials, are cheap af

[deft mortar]

no point in popping a flask when mfs Im playing with are 4 ilvls bleow me

[plush tendon]

honestly, to figure out my ST damage... I just look at my terros log XD

[deft mortar]

or do less dmg

[sick sentinel]

less than 100g ea for some good 2 star phials

[plush tendon]

its basically a 1 target fight 5 min XD

[deft mortar]

kekw

Wish M+ dungeons had better logs

Not just timer but dmg done healing etc :S

[plush tendon]

M+ logs are awesome; but rankings they give arent really helpful

[deft mortar]

Do they talk about CC etc?

I'd love that

and than imagine comparison breakdown vs others

T^T

[sick sentinel]

i sorta wish it was like, after the key completes, almost like arbitrary, it gives a S to F rank

[plush tendon]

In logs, you can see kicks and missed kicks in a key

[sick sentinel]

1-10 score, doesn't explian why or how, but all you know is its tied to your role and that dungeon

[plush tendon]

This is what a log will show

for each ability in a dungeon

[topaz leaf]

Does anyone know what addon or weakaura makes ability icons pop up in the middle of the screen when they come off cooldown?

[forest wharf]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/doomcooldownpulse

[topaz leaf]

Thanks mate. Exactly what I was looking for.

[placid vale]

Guys, any reason why 80% of my Revenges dont hit Bonemaw in SBG?

[mortal brook]

sword too smol, stand closer

[placid vale]

So the hitbox is shit

Got it

[slim dove]

Stand on edge of platform for bozo worm

[mortal brook]

maybe the worm was minding his business until you crashed his home and doesnt deserve to be revenged

[placid vale]

We will never know

[dusky canopy]

Yeah the bait has to be right in the edge otherwise your damage will be beans

[dusky canopy]

M+ logs do give you a damage parse

[blazing condor]

shitbox. You can always spam revenge even if you're not in range - make sure you're in range

[hardy snow]

yes, last mob gives slightly over 6%

[deft mortar]

U can stil lhit revenge while trying to melee attack the explosive orbs btw

That's what I do

Spam revenge as I melee the orbs

Or if they far just hc throw

[dense coral]

Do you guys use the Ruby Shell, and if YES how do you optimal train it for M+ tanking? 🙂

[deft mortar]

yes

Its active just gets popped when I press avatar if its off CD

I am likely in a fight if I pop avatar

and target an enemy

if thats training xd

[urban bane]

does 2p sometimes act fucky on bonemaw?

[amber siren]

Bonemaws aoe hitbox is tiny for some parts of the arena, you need to be directly in front of him

[urban bane]

that's what it must be. weird

ya im seein im able to still shield slam him but revenges were whiffing apparently

[amber siren]

blizzard polish

[hardy snow]

#QualitybyBlizzard

[regal yarrow]

How much am I reasonably expected to mitigate against crawth? I don't know if I'm just missing something, or I'm being left to die by bad healers, but it seems like even if I pop a mitigation for 4/5 pecks, I'll drop on the 5th one if I only have ignore pain available to me for it.

[cinder storm]

Peck after 4th screech is sus you can always use dstance, I take aegis just for crawth

But rotating personals and externals should suffice

[urban bane]

they gotta external you for one. or if evoker, remove bleed on one. external on one too

[regal yarrow]

I don't even battle stance him, because I know I'll be dead on the 3rd one

[cinder storm]

What key level are you talking about? Are you pooling IP before every peck?

[regal yarrow]

20/21

But yes I'm pooling IP

[cinder storm]

Yeah something else is happening, might be healers but logs will help, shouldn't hurt this week at that level

[uneven mason]

Does your healer understand that you're going to get trucked ahead of time?

[regal yarrow]

I have no idea. Just pugs, and I was talking about in general moreso than just a fortified week

[uneven mason]

Like most healers are pretty lazy

With tank healing

[urban bane]

yeah they look and see you're at 1/2 or less health and think "nah this is fine"

[cinder storm]

It would help if you were like "hey heals, every 2nd peck I need externals pls"

[uneven mason]

Because most tanks are self sustaining

[urban bane]

then you get pecked and they pucker

[regal yarrow]

I stopped tanking on my last run, because I just couldn't keep myself alive through it, and I know I can do mid 20s as fury, I'm not that confident as prot, so I figured I didn't know what I was doing.

[uneven mason]

So it's always a good idea to communicate when you'll need help

Otherwise they'll think you can handle it

[sick sentinel]

Especially if your healer is a resto druid! I main one

[cinder storm]

Maybe a macro yelling for externals since you pug

[uneven mason]

Nah, there are some mechanics that will chunk us

[deft mortar]

If u die at 20s as prot warr u probs dont know some trash mechanics that hit hard

[urban bane]

peck not being parryable/reducable by block or armor is a real shit show lul

go figure :V

[deft mortar]

Like Shadow Sash, Dark Claw, Mortal Whatever etc that u are supposed to mitigate

Or dodge

[uneven mason]

The issue you're having is that prot is basically "press w and win" until+20

[cinder storm]

Crawth fucks, searing blows sucks, jade strike can fuck itself

[uneven mason]

Then you'll have to press buttons

[deft mortar]

Spec has alot of answers to alot of BS ngl

Just gotta prepare for the mechanics

[uneven mason]

Yup, but we don't even have to play defensive until+20

[deft mortar]

tru kekw

meanwhile prot palas with their 2 defensive spells each on 3 min CD xdxd

[sick sentinel]

I'm myself on the verge of switching to being a prot warrior main, leaving behind resto druid.

I feel miserable healing. I only did pugs sadly

[chilly brook]

Isn’t prot pally doing good though

[cinder storm]

On the 22-23 range I forget to swap dstance more often than not

[uneven mason]

Pal is best overall tank atm

[urban bane]

only other thing i can think of is that some people have found goin immovable object helps with the pecks a fair bit so you don't gotta rely on the healer as much.

but at the end of the day yeh they gotta know to respect the dam there

[chilly brook]

Become an arms main

Press mortal strike like a boss

Forget about mechanics

[regal yarrow]

That's a good idea. immovable object is probably enough to keep me up at the levels I'm doing.

[cinder storm]

I've played IO for crawth, feels overkill ngl but at the end of the day, I'm alive

[slim dove]

swall has a 1min cd with The Wall talented 🤷

[deft mortar]

ez

I mean Dstance + Sreflect together is better than Paladins 3 min wall dxdxdx

[slim dove]

tru.

[deft mortar]

fkers better bubble or smth while we refect 600k hits LMAO

[sick sentinel]

Hahaha maybe. I love healing, but I'm not sure if tanking is more fun. Never did DPS

[cinder storm]

Dps is more of "turn your brain off and click shiny things"

[mental scarab]

And die to random floor stuff

I Do that slot when my frend tank

[deft mortar]

PvP players are better in PvE than full PvE players

[rough egret]

But paladins heroic leap will be pog! 😄 dropping concentration aura on landing

[deft mortar]

Cuz they actually know to press interrupt, defensives, and CCs

[mental scarab]

Warriors need a bubble in return

[sick sentinel]

they already have a horse piss off i say

[deft mortar]

fk if palas get a leap I want Avenging Wrath in my burst CD

With Avatar and Recklesness

[rough egret]

They hate horsie

[deft mortar]

also bring back bloodbath and banner with crit dmg

FK POP EVERYTHING

I want 6 burst CDs

[rough egret]

You can have the visual banner 😄

As long as you are still bounded with necrolords

[slim dove]

give warrior lust.

and necrobanner

[rough egret]

^^

Heroic shout

[sick sentinel]

i do not at all miss infinite banner

[rough egret]

If you want a high apm class go for druid 😄

ToI build slaps

[deft mortar]

truuu

Give Warr lust

Mages have it

Only fair

• bet I can yell harder than any shaman

Fk do shamans do with bloodlust anyway

Pray harder?

Whereas warriors do:

https://tenor.com/view/grom-hellscream-wow-warcraft-wod-gif-13904130

[dusky canopy]

Warrior should definitely have “Bloodlust”

It’s literally perfect

[bronze helm]

i dont think a tank should have lust though

[dusky canopy]

Any specific reason why?

[bronze helm]

maybe only fury/arms

[modern brook]

Hot take

Warrior shouldnt have lust

[bronze helm]

idk, it feels weird there's no real reason behind it

[modern brook]

We should have power infusio

[dusky canopy]

[dusky canopy]

All roles can bring brez why can’t all roles bring a lust? Makes sense to me

[mortal brook]

🥁

[dusky canopy]

Warrior with pi and twins lmao

And then bring a spriest with twins

Pi for everybody

[lusty tiger]

Inspiring roar

Aoe pi

[bronze helm]

we should also be able to shout at someone until they wake up as a form of bres

[livid osprey]

So called Drill Sergeant Shout

[pallid quiver]

I've been saying this for years

"Get back up, you still have blood to bleed"

[minor helm]

And then make sun goddess work on self target for 40 second pi

[pallid quiver]

but what's this about pally's getting leap? they're robbing us, too, now?

pink class can't keep getting away with this

[upbeat star]

Heroic Leap onto a dead body as a form of cpr

[sick sentinel]

If only I could play paladin gnome

[rain herald]

no real reason for the class whose literal source of power is "rage" to have bloodlust?

[cinder storm]

The definition of being a warrior is having bloodlust

[limber fable]

how do you guys track healer cooldowns like bark when they are on you? just had a healer let me know i popped shield wall when he had me barked, but i'm not sure how to track that

[cinder storm]

Idk, visual guide is enough for me

[vagrant oracle]

40%>20%

[rain herald]

do they not stack?

[cinder storm]

TD yellow glow, bark branch sounds, PS white glow

[rain herald]

genuine question, i am getting more serious with the game as of this xpac and don't honestly konw.

[vagrant oracle]

But yeah, tbh, I tend to shield wall regardless if I’m about to have to soak some heavy damage.

[cinder storm]

Yeah they stack

[modern brook]

All multipliers stack multiplicatively

[cinder storm]

Just can be seen as wasted resources if you needed something after and both of you used it

[modern brook]

Living is binary though you don't get bonus points for living extra hard, so generally stacking more than needed is a waste

Cause it means you likely won't have something for the next time you need it

[limber fable]

ya i didnt need to stack and then i didnt have wall when i needed it

[rain herald]

personally I run double-charge SW

[limber fable]

and im tryign to get better at the bigger pulls where i really cant be stacking

[rain herald]

so I guess the stack wouldn't have been a big deal to me specifically

[cinder storm]

At some key level pre communication with pugs on chat comes a long way, but also, pugs, anything can happen

[limber fable]

esu generally dont need that, you can farm back shield wall in 1m with the other one

[rain herald]

but i can see the angle

[modern brook]

🤷‍♂️

[rain herald]

I mainly use it for extra Avatar uptime

[modern brook]

Even double wall isn't enough for a lot of the harder fights tbh

[eternal atlas]

how is grieftorch for m+ tanking? atm i'm running whetstone+eranog, thinking about swapping out era for it

[limber fable]

pull in particular was on the island with the ravagers and axes in a 23 alg

[jagged pier]

greiftorch is a purely ST trinket

[limber fable]

and i fucked up and got hit by an axe and then didnt have wall ready

[jagged pier]

and u cant block or parry or dodge while channeling

[modern brook]

Can u block during the channel

[jagged pier]

no

u

cant

[modern brook]

Once again

Jake's fingers type too fast

I'm on mobile 😦

[cinder storm]

First time I learned you can't block while channeling was throwing a spear in NW third boss, insta clapped

[ionic roost]

using grief torch on the flame Herald on raze

[lusty tiger]

on razageth should i be kicking 2 things?

sparks

[jagged pier]

on hc yer

[modern brook]

Like

Thays the mechanic yeah

[eternal atlas]

so it's not worth:/ sadge just random rolled it from hc

[jagged pier]

take Stormbolt

makes it easy

[lusty tiger]

what do i use after pummel

[modern brook]

Any cc

[cinder storm]

Fear works iirc

[lusty tiger]

i mean when i drop mine close, someone can always get the 2nd

[modern brook]

Bolt prolly wasiest

[rain herald]

any cc stops an interruptible cast

[jagged pier]

fear isnt up for every set

[modern brook]

I'm all for making shamans do more work for us tbh. But that doesn't mean you should stare at the cast going off like "guess we wipe"

[lusty tiger]

nah that hasnt happened

[ionic roost]

just gets mages and priests to do it

[lusty tiger]

the monk RoP does like 10

[vagrant oracle]

^Explosives this week 🙄

[ionic roost]

Also get the macro

[rain herald]

'ate explosive

simple as

[vagrant oracle]

People watching them explode expecting someone else to pop them. Mouseover heroic throw.

[rain herald]

i have problems HTing them because they're usually too close to me

[modern brook]

Just aa em

[rain herald]

aa?

[modern brook]

Auto attack

[vagrant oracle]

If they’re close enough I just click/tab and revenge.

[modern brook]

Yeah so you aa them cause revenge doesn't hit them

[rain herald]

yeah that's fair, I realize that I have more time than I think to deal with them but they just pop up in such huge droves that i panic

[lusty tiger]

aa, tc

[rain herald]

revenge hits them if you're specifically targetting

[lusty tiger]

aa, rev

ez

[rain herald]

or from my experience it does

i could potentially just be hitting everything around it while auto-attack does the work

[modern brook]

I'm going to double down being wrong here and say it's aas during your revenge

Maybe they changed that tho 🤷‍♀️

[rain herald]

it just annoys me that I don't have a mid-range button that isn't a 45 second cooldown

i'm either too far away or too close

but maybe that's just me being spooked by sudden wipe mechanic when it gives me much more time to deal with it than I realize

[tropic fable]

Swapping from years of Fury to Protection. What is the main upside of tanking? It is more relaxing than constant top level optimization? Finally, what is your top advice for new tanks after they learn their routes?

[chilly brook]

The same “top level optimization” exists

[tropic tangle]

upside of tanking is you're not fighting DPS in queue, and you have more control on making a smooth run

[chilly brook]

If you’re not doing damage

If you’re not mitigating all the damage you can

[tropic tangle]

but yes, you still need to optimize

[chilly brook]

At the same time you’re doing it wrong

[tropic fable]

Yeah I realized that once I sent in. I meant more on <15, is it a smoother experience getting to a higher level of gameplay? I should have thought about the question more. Sorry Griff

[chilly brook]

I’m not sure what you mean about it being a smoother experience

A lot more rides on your shoulders in a key as a tank

So I would probably say no it won’t be a smoother experience

[lusty tiger]

tank some keys buddy

[rain herald]

yeah, as the old saying goes a fence is only as strong as its weakest link

[lusty tiger]

fuck around and find out

[chilly brook]

^

Just go for it

[tropic tangle]

p much, you're gonna learn by doing

[chilly brook]

See if you enjoy it

[rain herald]

it'll only be as smooth as your least competent member can manage

[chilly brook]

Only way you’re gonna get good as a tank is just to do it

Otherwise you’ll never get comfortable

[tropic tangle]

tankxiety is real, you just gotta rip that bandaid off

[tropic fable]

Will do, I'll come back after tanking some more keys. I'm getting that tiny power trip when people flood the group finder (: Tanks all.

[lusty tiger]

log

and we'll review

[rain herald]

fwiw you're picking up what is viewed as the BEST tank in the game rn, so even if you make some oopsies things should be relatively fine. Just take some time and get yourself comfy.

[vagrant oracle]

Well. My macro for revenge includes start attack so maybe it is. It works and that’s all that matters 😂

[rain herald]

So can I ask what all the stress is about Liu Flameheart? I see memes about her being the bane of Prot Warr but my group stomps her without fail.

Is it something that doesn't rear its head until higher keys?

[lusty tiger]

well, if u have eyes and fingers it is easy enough

[tropic tangle]

what level keys are you in? the big thing is the longer the fight goes, the less you have to counteract it

[rain herald]

last one we did was a +10

[tropic tangle]

also you need your healer to be on point

[rain herald]

everything around her gave us some guff, but Liu remained laughable

[amber siren]

nothing is really going to hurt on a 10

[tropic tangle]

yeah, I mean a 10 on fort week is not what people are talking about

[lusty tiger]

could tank her back faced never moving on a 10 tyr

[rain herald]

that's what i figured

i guess i'll see when our group pushes up further

[lime urchin]

You absolute chad 😂

[rain herald]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-gif-9793915

i know, i know. A god among men, really. No one can do +10 like me.

...because they usually do it better.

[lime urchin]

You rockstar, go get dem keyz

[dark lark]

Any tactics for interrupts on the lightning totem area of Nokhud? Feel like even with calling kicks and aoe interrupts we just start running out, not to mention the add that can't be stunned at all

Ripped a 21 last night because we were getting pelted

Brute forced the 20

[icy bane]

Could run disrupting for additional interrupt

[deft mortar]

Have a DH sap 1 out of 3

Sry 1 out of 4

Basically have the entire right side CC'd if u want

Its more time but its safer

DH can 1 min sap, lock can fear, mage can poly, rogue can blind

[round pendant]

You can always backwalk til you're in range of heroic throw

[fast nacelle]

which Weapon Buff is the best for protect warry the tempo rune or the stones?

[vernal rune]

do we use shocking disclosure?

[cinder storm]

I do, specially in AA

[vernal rune]

makes sense

[cinder storm]

If you can call kicks, you can focus kick the elite, dps tempest guy while cc'ing, the elite one has a long cast now

[deft mortar]

oh i rly went with lass boss lmao

0 brain here

[short vale]

I usually tell the melees to handle kicks on the mini boss, and I lock down the tempest caster solo (kick>shield charge>fear>storm bolt>kick should be up again)

[fast nacelle]

could someone give me some feedback on this

[short vale]

I use it for every aoe potion I use in a key (for st I tend to hold it and skip using unless it’s the last pot of the key, shooting more aoe pots like that)

[vernal rune]

so that's the only pot we use for aoe, gotcha, thanks

[short vale]

Haste is big

[lilac jay]

In the SR/SB google Sheet:

If something is not reflectable but blockable with spellblock, is at least the dmg reduced with SR?

[fast nacelle]

thanks

[dark lark]

Yes, I still use it on a lot of magic damage just for the 20% DR

Even if it won't reflect

[queen canopy]

Is the vibe on Spell Block:

No for COS, NO, HOV, AA

Maybe for SBG

Yes for TJS, RLP, AV

?

[blazing condor]

having it for hyrja on tyrann is good

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

U don’t rly need it for RLP

AV it can be handy

[cinder storm]

? It's awesome for first boss and the amount of casts that usually go off during first pull

[short vale]

Hov I like taking it, drakes, hyrja-it’s not mandatory.
Sbg I wouldn’t skip it unless you want to kite the 2 packs forever

[lusty tiger]

I agree, but you block what? 3 casts of the like 30 she pelts you with

[cinder storm]

And chillstorm

[lusty tiger]

Ur gonna lose 4% overall dam for a healer mechanic

Never use for chillstorm

It tickles

[short vale]

???

[cinder storm]

You have it up for chillstorm so might as well face it and use it as dr

[short vale]

The only casts that danger you are the ones during chillstorm, reducing both is big lol

[lusty tiger]

Shield wall

[cinder storm]

Idk, not taking spellblock is just trolling your healer

[lusty tiger]

Or save spell reflect for the ice casts during chillstorm

[lusty tiger]

Ok disc healer haver

[short vale]

At 24 tyr last week we had 3 chillstorms in last phase, without spellblock I’d have nothing for 1 chillstorm

[lusty tiger]

Other specs can actually top a tank lol

[hollow silo]

Key level too low if you're not taking spell block in ruby

[lusty tiger]

It is handy

[short vale]

Is it playable without? Ye, is it making it less safe? Also ye

[cinder storm]

I feel this to be the case actually

[lusty tiger]

But you’re gonna take a talent for one boss

[urban bane]

who will kill you otherwise on high enough key? yep

[round pendant]

Does warcraft logs figure out dps by just dividing total damage done by the length of the dungeon, not by actual active combat time?

(for m+ logs)

[hollow silo]

It also good for infernos on destroyer trash and 2nd boss, also can use on thunderhead

Also good for trash in the beginning of you pull more than one chill weaver and kicks go through

Worth more than any other talent point alternative on high key

[short vale]

If it helps the key? I’d take a talent for 1 pull even,
I’d guess it’s either that or bloodborne for dmg, 2-3% dps won’t be make or break for the key, dying does

[slim dove]

spellblock is big for rlp on tyr weeks.

trolling your healer by skipping it.

losing 2-3% overall is whatever, timer is lenient enough

[cinder storm]

RLP is one of the most if not the most healer intensive dungeon, not helping your healer is a big oof

[lusty tiger]

It isn’t THAT black and white

But yeah

Take it

[dark lark]

In tyrannical 22's it's easily doing 2/3rds of our life through Ignore Pain alone, and there's a ton of party damage during Chillstorm and Whelps, why stress your healer more

[lusty tiger]

Like u could run io and bsv too

Or you could REALLY troll and not take spell reflect

[urban bane]

[cinder storm]

Nah, you are mad now because most people agree on not using it is trolling

[lusty tiger]

I am mad

V angry

[cinder storm]

Ok

[slim dove]

big mad

[cinder storm]

Press ignore pain

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[cinder storm]

Don't cap rage

[deft mortar]

YO

Quick

best flask?

[lusty tiger]

eye in the storm

[round pendant]

better than glacial?

thinking about m+

[vagrant oracle]

I use eye in M+ and elemental chaos in raid. Though I’m no giga Chad monster

[ocean bloom]

i thought glacial was just always the best?

[cinder storm]

#protection message

[ocean bloom]

ah pog

[lilac jay]

Nobody playing versa flask? Are u all rich?

[timber barn]

I mean, it's easy to make money If you pick a niche with professions and spam trade during high traffic times.

[vagrant oracle]

Naw that’s what the icon is for 😂

[boreal lake]

Hello. Im new here. Maybe somone asked this before me. Im struggeling with Raszageht Heroic. Phase with 3 big ads. Have some problems on getting aggro on the small ones. There are always atleast one or two adds hitting some dmg dealers. What is the best way to deal with it?

[ocean bloom]

1st set i pop CDs like Troar

2nd set aoe taunt

3rd set more big dmg

if your timing isnt great for that you can just swap when you aoe taunt

[lusty tiger]

whetstone is amazing for this

[ocean bloom]

also if 1 or 2 are away you can taunt/heroic throw them

[boreal lake]

Awsome thx alot!

[deft mortar]

Fkn Nokhud 21

Key ded

Cuz team cant live

Never should have gotten a balance druid for this

3 interrupts total with their shiddy bean

[errant leaf]

Nokhud is pug nightmare

Spent 1hour in my 21 yday

[subtle sparrow]

1 hour is not even a lot :P

[amber siren]

[subtle sparrow]

I've done 5 hour runs boosting friends

[cinder storm]

I was gonna say 90 mins is my longest but hats off to you sir

[deft mortar]

were 4 of them afk

[subtle sparrow]

Like old school raiding, took a break to eat dinner

[amber siren]

Did you stop mid-run to nap??

[errant leaf]

5 hours heres your award

[vagrant oracle]

5 hours?

[cinder storm]

They started the key, went out for drinks, came back, took the trash, played some wow

[errant leaf]

Progressing shit at this point

[subtle sparrow]

It was in BFA, that dinosaur dungeon

[vagrant oracle]

Bro I don’t play that much on a weekday 💀

[errant leaf]

Haha

[subtle sparrow]

We spent two hours killing that dinosaur that chases you

Dinner break, then over an hour on the last boss

[cinder storm]

Rezan

All for rezans gleaming eye

I miss that trinket

[subtle sparrow]

I'm just farming SBG 16 for concentrated primal focus now

[amber siren]

the best way to farm primal focus

[subtle sparrow]

That three skeleton pack is tough when you are #2 on DPS with not even good dps

[dusky canopy]

[vagrant oracle]

I’m impressed no one left tbh. I’ve had people leave lower keys for way less lmao

[urban bane]

[dusky canopy]

That’s me trying to help do a friends key quite a few weeks ago

[cinder storm]

Where did you guys wiped the most?

[dusky canopy]

We were stuck on boss 2 for a good 20-30 minutes I think

This was a while ago

[reef holly]

[cinder storm]

Yeah I can see it happening

[dusky canopy]

It was our healers key and he is new to wow

We’re talking like 6 months old first time healing

[mighty valley]

Last time I had an NO like that was a tyrannical no-leaver where one of our friends had his internet die to a storm half way through, so we just had to do it as 4

[dusky canopy]

This was a post raid 12am key that lasted that long

[lavish oracle]

Oh yikes, right into the fire, huh

[cinder storm]

Trial by fire

The guy never let anyone die there ever since

[vagrant oracle]

Someone definitely hyped him up though “naw man we got this leggo!”

[cinder storm]

His tales are known far and wide

[lavish oracle]

I got a 10 RLP on my 365 mistweaver yesterday and called it quits for the day, lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah we were a 5 man guild group committed to get the guy a nice vault for reset lolol

[vagrant oracle]

Been there

[dusky canopy]

And I mean hey the absolute best way to learn is to literally throw yourself at it

[vagrant oracle]

Sometimes you gotta do it for the guildie

[dusky canopy]

And over come the challenge

And he did

I want to say average ilvl of the group was around 395 I can’t remember that far back

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, I feel like some of the biggest progression I've had in learning to do keys is weekly no-leavers

[dusky canopy]

Yep struggled with blazehoof for the longest time until I wiped to it for an hour in a 21

Now it’s cake

[lavish oracle]

Rammed my head into an algethar 21 like week 3 or 4 of this season and it's made that dungeon so much easier

I guess it was after they did the tree nerf

Whenever that was

[dusky canopy]

Dude

AA pre tree nerf

Was fkin BEANS

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, lol, I think pre-tree nerf we wouldn't have even bothered

[subtle sparrow]

That was nerfed before I even hit 70

[modern brook]

they increased the grace period between when the healing add spawns and the 2nd germination reducing the dps check to kill it before germination pushed u out of the heal

also had the side effect of just more time to kill lashers in general before they became active

[mighty valley]

one of the more surgical nerfs they've done, good job

[cinder storm]

And it's only been like a month and a half? They've done their part for the most part

[mighty valley]

i think the only thing that stands out to me in the current pool (other than a couple being way easier than others) is the AV timer being unusually tight

[cinder storm]

They could move around some packs, close the exit after 2nd boss, eliminate other packs, and add a book from 2nd boss to 3rd boss and even then I feel it would feel tight

[tranquil fern]

do we ever want the shield cobalt ring over dmg?

[craggy pilot]

what was the idea behind Primal Ritual Shell? 🤔 any of the altars better for us?

[strong forum]

fire for dmg

but the earth absorb is better than most defensive trinkets aswell

(which doesnt say much)

[uneven mason]

No , always damage

[craggy pilot]

better than all the sucky defensive trinkets 😄

[last nova]

at the end of the expansion, what do you think max health pools will be like for tanks?

[strong forum]

2-2.5mil

[jagged pier]

^

[strong forum]

historically HP increased 4x

and dmg 10x over the course of an expansion

[pallid bone]

does spell block have a directional requirement ?

[tranquil fern]

how much ilvl are we fine dropping per piece of tier set?

or is that sim angle?

[strong forum]

ive dropped up to 26ilvl on gloves + 13ilvl on pants to get 4pc

for 2pc you just sim

[cunning knot]

anyone know a workaround for bird boss bugging out in academy?

[strong forum]

no

[gloomy yacht]

sorry if this was answered, but weapon type doesn't matter anymore right? i.e crafted sword vs axe?

[strong forum]

if it bugs out your key is rip

[strong forum]

hasnt mattered in over 10 years

[trim hill]

Wasn’t the idea of changing how the birds spawn now to fix that bug or is there another

[gloomy yacht]

kk thanks, i was looking at subcreation and all the tanks are using the sword, but my buddy specialized in axe

ty

[strong forum]

thats blizzards attempt at fixing bird boss

but its clearly not fixed

nothing the player can change

[cinder storm]

They just don't like high io people doing techs and regular players getting mad for not using those techs in their 10s, imo

[strong forum]

bird bugs out cuz sometimes the birds in the air get stuck inside the pillars

nothing you can do about it

[trim hill]

Lmao

[subtle sparrow]

I haven't seen this before.

"Have you checked wowhead?"

[round pendant]

blizz are pretty lazy.

[strong forum]

thats been in for a few years

[round pendant]

Customer support says "check the forums to see if anyone has a solution"

fuck off

[trim hill]

Blizzard cs is a meme

They prob have like 3 actual humans looking into tickets

[strong forum]

thats quite rich

[mental scarab]

Se if ther is a bird left in the sky and target it

[strong forum]

given that theres only like 5 people total working on class design

[trim hill]

I once got a response that the wait time for a ticket is so long they resolved the ticket with a link to evaluate the service

[strong forum]

kinda what happens when you fire 800 people from QA

[slim dove]

rogues having their own dev sitting in discord all day

meanwhile druids still have 3point nodes in tree

[cinder storm]

To be faaair, they've been doing a better job than SL

[urban bane]

i havent been able to get the catalyst quest for two weeks straight

[cinder storm]

Skill issue