protection

[sick sentinel]

you can intervene the fixate on wolf boss

also the charge slam from the breaker mob in av

also some other dps busters

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been rocking Noms advised keys build in the pins for pretty much all case scenarios swap around a few things here and there

I’ll have to play around with adding intervene, I guess I never really considered the potential to save a key from affix wipes

That alone when pugging is pretty big I think

[sick sentinel]

with how hectic current m+ are i think you should build to have fail safe more than anything

intervene and disrupting shouts are failsafes

cuz there will be mistakes made here and there

cant expect people to play like open ai

[rose cobalt]

I've been pugging 20s/21s and never take intervene. There's so much good shit in the tree

I tried it in like tyrannical av and hov and felt meh about it

[sick sentinel]

i pugged all 22s and i take intervene 100% of the time in hov and spiteful weeks

also when i have too much ranged

[rose cobalt]

What else are you intervening in hov other than fen fight

[sick sentinel]

just that is good enough

oh and also tjs 100% of the time

[radiant venture]

I have a question. What are u able to block with spell block?

[uneven mason]

[icy bane]

Check pins

[sand mason]

spells

[icy bane]

Sense made a list for things you can reflect and block

[distant crystal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[wide dragon]

Btw @jagged pier , You looked at my logs the other day and realized i burn too much rage on IP and not revenge near as much. Since then my rage generation has been so smooth comparitively. so i appreciate it a lot.

[sand mason]

lmao jk. The big ones I can think of off the top of my head are the bolts from first boss of RLP, the hit from 3rd boss TJS, the adds in TJS (dark claw / eye beam whatever from the Shas),

[rugged mural]

TJS just for adds on last boss?

[sick sentinel]

yea

[deft hinge]

i use this to toggle on 1 button between battle and def stance: #showtooltip
/castsequence Defensive Stance, Battle Stance

[round pendant]

omfg I just got this from my 402 chest

[deft hinge]

and it works perfectly, but icon isnt dynamic. any1 have idea to fix?

[sick sentinel]

those chests are hitting good for me too

i got all totem 408, storm eaters boon 395 fire dmg ring 408 from them

[round pendant]

now I must learn how to use grief

[rugged mural]

/cast [stance:1] !Battle Stance; !Defensive Stance

[radiant venture]

thx

[wind lotus]

are allied wrists good for M+?

[icy bane]

Pretty good

[deft hinge]

works the same as one i already had, but icon still static though. anyway nice alternative

[slim dove]

same 1% as everything else

[distant crystal]

you could do /cast [stance:1] !Battle Stance; [stance:2] !Defensive Stance

and i think the icon would swap?

[last nova]

i have a question regarding the vault

would my heroic voti mess with my mythic loot table?

[distant crystal]

no

[uneven mason]

Wat

[last nova]

mythic voti options

[distant crystal]

mythic doors will have loot from bosses you've killed on mythic, + tier from any boss

[last nova]

in that if a heroic icon appeared i wouldn't get a mythic icon?

[distant crystal]

nah

[last nova]

so i can get 408 icon and and mythic icon on the same day?

[uneven mason]

It'll just offer you loot from stuff you killed

[distant crystal]

yes

[uneven mason]

If you killed enough bosses to populate the window

[last nova]

i just did my weekly 2/8 mythic

so if i did heroics it'll be ok?

[distant crystal]

if you ask 5 more times the answer will switch to no

but for now, yes

[timber forge]

its 94% nokhud after 3rd boss?

[rose cobalt]

Yeah

[last nova]

yes 94%

[timber forge]

ty

[last nova]

thanks

[tame jasper]

If you plan to only play the 2 minibosses before final boss yes. But it is also fine to get with 92-93 and focus one mob of a group after final boss

[timber forge]

cool

[uneven mason]

Oh God when I went to do this the names I got called

[timber forge]

learning more about nokhud/CoS tbh first time playing tank in wow and in my head they're difficult but its been nice for now

[sick sentinel]

theyre the easiest ones

[rose cobalt]

You should use MDT and plan your routes out so there's no confusion on what mobs you're going to want to pull

[timber forge]

yea im using mdt a lot

and playing with friends to test things

pulls/limits we can do

I need to know a good route for AV when I pug lol

never did her much

[subtle sparrow]

After the first pull in an M+,

[rose cobalt]

I only do the frog skip route now

[timber forge]

lol sad

[rose cobalt]

Couldn't pay me to pull that shit anymore

[strong forum]

Atleast he's honest

[cinder storm]

Life happens lol

[timber forge]

my friend talk to me about that frog skip route but I never see.. need to learn

[cinder storm]

The best comp for AV needs a druid for vortex and a priest for void tendrils, those frogs will never move

[rose cobalt]

If it's your first time you could segment some of the big pulls. Like kill one pack of flowers in the first room then do the second pack + shrieker just to be safe

[turbid shuttle]

I don't even like the frog skip route. You replace the easiest, freest mobs in the game, with some of the most dangerous mobs in the game.

[timber forge]

I see a lot of tanks clearing all the mobs on the first room.. Im actually picking only 3 flower trash + next room adds.. basic 😦

[cinder storm]

You do what works for you until it doesn't

[rose cobalt]

I can't seem to get pugs to time the 'traditional' route anymore

Much more clear success with frog skip

[turbid shuttle]

And for what? So you can get worse lust timings killing 3 bosses in a row? Introduce complexity to your route with people dying doing jumps?

[subtle sparrow]

Isn't Azure Vault kind of tight on adds already (%)?

[rose cobalt]

You don't generally lust the third boss anyways. You have it for 2nd and 4th

[uneven mason]

No lots of extras

[turbid shuttle]

Doing more or less press W I've timed up to 20 or 21 on both tyr and fort. With a couple minutes left over.

[torpid junco]

just got a solid tip of macro'ing shield block to shield slam. anyone have that?

[uneven mason]

No

[turbid shuttle]

Do not do this

But yeah, in AV, the rock mobs you replace frogs with aren't even more efficient. They're smaller pulls too. I honestly don't get it.

[uneven mason]

Biggest issue with us being fotm, is some of these questions are just so loopy I can't tell if they're honestly confused or just trying to unleash my inner Lewis Black

[cinder storm]

It's comp dependant, if you have enough stops and CDs are up there might as well use it

If you have a rogue you can also skip the two elementals and use CDs after porting

[tame jasper]

The frogs are not very effective as they jump around and therefore you have far less dps uptime on them

[cinder storm]

There's slight variations that works for different groups

[turbid shuttle]

I've only done skip route once or twice, so maybe it'd grow on me if I did it a bunch. I'd rather just pull aggressively in the rings and in the frog rooms, since the pulls are so free.

[uneven mason]

Don't let them

[rose cobalt]

The massive hallways after second boss sucks though. Can't mass pull without aoe dispell either

This week*

[turbid shuttle]

Who cares? Just keep dragging them. They just get free cleaved off the dragon.

[cinder storm]

I personally like doing 100% or as close as 100% before 2nd boss and at this point it's personal preference

[tame jasper]

In the frog-skip-route you then jump down after 2nd boss to 3rd and skip them all (and the dracon)

[subtle sparrow]

Jesus, I've been like "Why doesn't my defensive macro always work?" and now I realize that I'm only using the macro with one build, on the others it's just LS.

[tame jasper]

Your explosvies for example 😉

[rose cobalt]

I feel like this week makes a better argument for frog skip

[cinder storm]

Bolstering sucks there lol

[rose cobalt]

Less mobs less explosives less bursting

[tame jasper]

I don't like the frog-skip personaly, but that's more a point as I only pug, so you can almost forget about getting all the stops coordinated you need in the fury packs

[rose cobalt]

If there's not a lot of cc I've asked to lust the second shrieker

[sick sentinel]

I once had a pug tell me the frog skip was "super scuffed" and "no one should ever do this." Have had my best keys with the skip, not without.

[timber forge]

newbie question please go easy.. but when I play with people who don't care about Bursting or dont know... what is the best thing to ask them to do at least?

that shit hurts a lot

[cinder storm]

I tell them "show some love for your healer"

[subtle sparrow]

Smaller pulls

[rose cobalt]

It's all preference just like cos dock strat

[lean willow]

Let them die

[subtle sparrow]

Marking skull

[rose cobalt]

Whatever route works for you you should run

[quiet monolith]

should i get the brez bracers?

[timber forge]

never know if I do smaller pulls and wait dot ou try to kill the mobs at the same time dot will end

[tame jasper]

Why not?

[cinder storm]

Yes but not really

[turbid shuttle]

If you're in comms just tell then to hold dps for a couple sec if burst gets large. Don't extend high stack burst. If you're not in comms but they just don't know, you're probably doing low keys where big pulls don't matter, so just pull smaller and chain 1 pull in to the next to spread out bursts.

[quiet monolith]

just a spark usage, but they seem handy and a nice way to get a 418 slot

[cinder storm]

You can find moments when to Rez someone for sure

[quiet monolith]

and a lot of haste

[subtle sparrow]

WoD server crashed on my shard just now, no one can enter Shadowmoon Valley

[timber forge]

thanks bro. ❤️ occur in the 2 examples, my friends starting to play m+ now and when I pug its sometimes 15~18 and always find people who don't care about affixs and healers

[subtle sparrow]

Infinite loading screen → Alt + F4 → Disconnect → Back in Valdrakken

[lean willow]

I have engi helm, the brez isn’t reliable but it’s saved a few keys for sure. I consider it nice/worth it to have but I wouldn’t rely on it as groups only brez.

[turbid shuttle]

The thing about bursting is you can take a 7+ stack burst if everything dies at once. But if you go 4 -> tick twice -> 6 -> tick twice -> 7 then you're gonna all die

[quiet monolith]

are you guys still pulling the whole first room in AV this week with fortified?

[timber forge]

thanks!!

i'll try comms that

[rose cobalt]

I ask my healer if they want it all or if I should pull the first pack alone

[quiet monolith]

if you solo first pack do you then wake up everything else?

probably safer

[rose cobalt]

Yeah

[cinder storm]

You can and should be fine with lust and spell block

[uncut thunder]

I think it’s more about whether you have the stops and can deal with the explosions

[rugged mural]

Does Spell Block affect the Piercing Shards?

[cinder storm]

Yeah

[rugged mural]

Oh shit. Didn’t think it worked on any AoE type things. Goo to know

[rose cobalt]

I've converted to a spell block enjoyer in temple halls and vault

[cinder storm]

And rlp don't forget rlp

[rugged mural]

Halls mostly for Hyrja?

[rose cobalt]

I do like one rlp a week I forget about it 😂

[rose cobalt]

Hyrja and fenryr

[cinder storm]

Dragon frontal first pack too, 2nd dragon if you pull that too

[rugged mural]

I know TJS and RLP. Fenryr has Spell Blockable? I’ve learned so much in the past 30 seconds

[cinder storm]

Nothing can be spell blocked at fenryr as far as I know, everything is physical and bleed

[rose cobalt]

Woops yeah I meant every boss but fenryr

Has spell block able stuff

[strong forum]

Uh

Only hyrja has spell block stuff

Rest is irrelevant/avoidable

[cinder storm]

Unless shattered spears can be spell blocked, which I'm down to having and extra def there

[tame jasper]

Check the pins to see all spells

[strong forum]

Shattered spear is literally inconsequential to tank tho

[cinder storm]

Not to my sanity when I'm trying to find my runes

[strong forum]

Also I don't rly like running spell block as you only pick it for hryja, and if you coordinate there you don't even need it there either

[rugged mural]

I’m only doing 18s now, but I’ve been ok on Hyrja without Spell Block so far

[strong forum]

You have SW for every 2nd one, if you sit on Demo a bit you can have that for every other

If you have a healer with an external, he can just send it every other one

And youre golden

[timber forge]

Im always using Tough as Nails while im learning.. but if I need to swap for Spell Block I need to change more things? actually using the 'default' m+ talents from wowhead

[rugged mural]

Interrupting shout in clutch in a few dungeons

[sterile bough]

give more context

[rugged mural]

I’m testing out Wrecking Throw in RLP

[cinder storm]

I'm still having issues grasping the timing to swap hyrja, either I do it too soon and still casts storm, or too late and she stands in the middle and the first cast hurts but the rest of the spells queue gets swapped

[modest gulch]

It's perfect on first boss

[sterile bough]

the window is legit 0,2 sec to do taht

[strong forum]

No, you don't need to swap more things

That's the benefit of a choice node

[timber forge]

thanks

[sterile bough]

u can throw off thunderlord

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I think it has to be at about 4.6-4.8 after the fight started, only managed it once tho

[strong forum]

I don't bother cheesing that

[sterile bough]

and get battering ram / distrubting shjout

[sterile bough]

ye its not hard to live it with 5 tanks u know ;p?

[cinder storm]

My thoughts exactly

[wooden widget]

Is there a reason hyrja shield blasted me. Then stormed. Then shield blasted again?

[sterile bough]

get fucked by rng

this bitch did it to me as well 2 in maby 20 runs overall

[timber forge]

disrupting shout seems great hm

[wooden widget]

So she just q’ed up a shield blasted ??

God damn

If it were tyranical I’d be super dead

[cinder storm]

I've only had that happened after attempting to cheese her, dying then doing over

[sterile bough]

it fucks u so hard on tyranical since u need perfect defensives on higer keys

[wooden widget]

Yeah holy shit. So it’s a bug related to the pull or actual bad rng?

[sterile bough]

no clue

just be aware of that

[wooden widget]

First time I’ve had a shield blast before storm

[sterile bough]

and aniticpate it

[wooden widget]

Will do

[icy bane]

I go based off details combat timing, usually wait till 2 seconds then leap over to storm

[sick sentinel]

oohhh very intereesting

there is a 15 minute cd when i use zapthrottle

[cinder storm]

Do you taunt first or heroic throw? Because the details combat timing changes based off that

[icy bane]

I’ll taunt then leap

[cinder storm]

I'll give it a try

[icy bane]

Been trying to get the timing down on my brew but still struggling

[sterile bough]

wonder if its easier on brew

[strong forum]

5 tank is dead for like a month now

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

HoV is really the only dungeon to not run Spell block right?

Like it’s pretty useful in the others

[quiet monolith]

i love it

[dusky canopy]

Decent damage loss though witch blows

[quiet monolith]

i mean for your parse ya

but its not like you aren't clearing a dungeon

because your prot tank isnt dpsing

[graceful granite]

Anyone have a spell reflect weak aura to give you the most important reflects in PvE?

[dense atlas]

Reflect is still reasonably useful for the thunderbolt guys no?

[dusky canopy]

Right I will probably only ever pug 20-22 so it’s not like tough as nails damage is making a massive impact on timeing

[dense atlas]

Thundercallers I think?

[strong forum]

Spell Block is entirely useless in cos

It's borderline useless in NO, legit only almost useful on 2nd boss trash

Borderline useless in HoV, only hyrja

Almost entire useless in AA, only vex

Meh in smbg, only void slash and first boss

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I like having it for the lightning area in NO

[strong forum]

Idk, just outrange the arcing strike

[dusky canopy]

True true

[topaz mauve]

I keep seeing groups for TotJS looking for spriest, what does spriest bring to that dungeon specifically?

[drifting pecan]

Guys do you have a suggested route for halls of valor?22 key level

[strong forum]

Mass dispell

[dense atlas]

Dispel

[topaz mauve]

lol its fortified, lock brings dispel too

[dusky canopy]

Does Void tendrils works on last pack?

[drifting pecan]

I would prefere to skip big part of the sentinels part

[dense atlas]

Speaking of tjs

[strong forum]

Nobody ever plays the sentinels

In HoV

[dense atlas]

I had an absolute ape blame me for his death to the corrupted water aoe when he didn’t los

[dusky canopy]

I play the wondering one so there’s no accidental ass pull

[sterile bough]

thats some copium right here

[strong forum]

What else is spell block good for in AA

[dense atlas]

I love TJS because you know if you’re capable of completing the dungeon in the first 2 minutes

[sterile bough]

quite a lot of surges, but more imortantly arance missiles

[strong forum]

Kick the missiles

It's the only kick required there

[sterile bough]

a ye just kick it

[dense atlas]

Kick missiles shockwave whirlwind

Cake

[strong forum]

And surge elementals you never pull more than 2 at a time, they'll die before anything gets scary. You spam those packs with cc anyway

[solemn current]

It’s also bursting week though

[quasi dagger]

IMO if a druid can tank all 20s dungeons, we can tank them without spell block. It's just very helpful

[sterile bough]

well if thats teh case then u dont need spell block on single dungeon

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3QGHpgK7TkrCqxB6#fight=10&type=damage-taken&source=1&ability=388862&view=events

[sterile bough]

just kick tank busters

[strong forum]

All those massive 2 surges he had to eat

God damn

Better pick spellblock

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3QGHpgK7TkrCqxB6#fight=10&type=damage-taken&source=1&ability=387975&view=events

16 total hits of missiles, phew

[quasi dagger]

and no sarcasm detected

[stone horizon]

Hi guys, what to do with void slashes from SBG? just turn the spell reflection or stun them?

[median sage]

healer asking for tank: what is the correct way to handle the 2nd pull of sbg? seems like my tank is getting hit in the back (?) because the mobs are teleporting onto the team and then turning around to melee him. he's charging in because we kind of kill the 1st pull slower and dont have a lot of time to tag the pack before big blueberry shows up. would it be better to invis through and let only the tank be in combat initially?

[sterile bough]

what do these numbers even mean

[strong forum]

A= absorb
U= unmitigated
M= mitigated

% = % mitigated

B= blocked

[subtle sparrow]

You mean the ones around the altar?

[sterile bough]

100k a tick

[strong forum]

It's not tho

Ye, that's why you stop them

Like

It's 2 pulls with 1/2 arcane missile boys

Surely that can be handled

[weak snow]

its the only kick in those packs as well.

[strong forum]

Yup

[weak snow]

and you can cheese them the whirlwinds at the stairs.

[sterile bough]

ye good thing u can always interupt it not like u will go into whrilwind or sth

[oak echo]

like if you're above them on the stairs it doesn't hit you?

[quasi dagger]

I feel like people that are complaining are doing around +13s. I find that tier is where you won't get a single kick or stun from dps

[median sage]

ya the pull after the void dude patting

[sterile bough]

but now at least in "common" routes u dont take that many casters

[weak snow]

if you are under the whirls they don't hit.

[oak echo]

oh...

[strong forum]

Z axis is your friend

[oak echo]

never occurred to me

[strong forum]

Get the spinny Bois ontop

You go below

= free dmg

[robust lark]

someone told me this was a bonkers trinket even despite its ilvl. Thoughts?

[strong forum]

I don't see what's the issue there. They teleport behind the farthest player away

Not the tank

That pack does almost 0 tank dmg

The biggest threat there is the blueberry

[gloomy vortex]

I would also like to know this

[strong forum]

Parry, sw/external, stun, kite or spell block them

[sterile bough]

the mobs dont do anything if u just outrange them

just walk

[robust lark]

Spell Reflect, SW, stuns (shockwave/storm bolt), spell block, last stand, leap+kite as last resort

also that

backpedal and when they cast you might not get hit because you're out of melee range backpedaling . if you can stun one and get their casts so they don't all hit you at the same time when 3 skellies are up it helps to not get truckedx3 at the same time

It doesn't seem to make tons of sense at first to blow lots of defensives on a trash pack but if that means you stay alive when you otherwise wouldn't then that was the right time to use your CDs

[strong forum]

What's the point of sitting on a CD vs dangerous mechanics

And "saving them"

[dense atlas]

Literally the hardest part of that dungeon out side of the last 2 pack

Lol

[strong forum]

Pwar is proactive, use your CDs

SW is 1min CD

Use it

[dense atlas]

Trash and waiting for worm boss is the toughest part of sbg

[strong forum]

Last stand is 30% ehp gain, use it

No point sitting on CDs

[robust lark]

^

When you're brand new tanking you get stuck thinking "oh lawd I gotta wait for the right time to use my big defensives" but really that just hurts you because you could be making every run a lot easier by using them basically as often as you can

[quasi dagger]

I always get the feeling that people hold on to their spell reflect too much. You know it's a 25 second cooldown and even if it don't reflect something, it's a magic damage reduction. I feel like it shouldn't be a question if you should be spell reflecting for something

[strong forum]

Yes

[robust lark]

For sure

[dense atlas]

Yea

[strong forum]

If you use SR on CD

You use it better than 90% of pwars

[dense atlas]

I use spell reflect for the passive reduc all the time

I slam that button

[robust lark]

Well done draco

[strong forum]

Fucking send it anytime anything sounds like magic

Just fucking send it

[toxic pewter]

yah people are so weird with SR

like omg when is the reflect exact timing going to occur I must plan for this

[robust lark]

The only time I use SR and get mad about it is when the dps kicks the big trucker I was about to slap right back at the caster

[strong forum]

Ye

[dense atlas]

Yea lol

This is why key groups in disc are the best

You can tell em on the fly

[uneven mason]

I literally just slap that button anytime I might take a trickle of nonphysical

[robust lark]

They just do it to spite me then

[toxic pewter]

yah i hate when someone kicks an upcoming reflect feelsbadman

[dense atlas]

That’s a war crime

[robust lark]

The war crime is when I aim the quelling strikes at the demon hunter for kicking while SR is active

[spark girder]

Hey guys, i just started playing prot and I was wondering if u can play with that hekili addon

[dense atlas]

Holy fuck that’s so toxic lmfao

[dense atlas]

I love it

[spark girder]

Does someone has experience with that?

[robust lark]

I use hekili

[quasi dagger]

Not recommending this but just macroing it to every move would probably improve many pwarriors damage reduction out there that aren't using it correctly

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

Just send it bro it’s up constantly

Unless you specifically need to reflect something

[toxic pewter]

i am anti-bundling macros

[spark girder]

Ah ok

[robust lark]

I found that when I was first getting the hang of warrior hekili was really nice. But now I dont glance at it nearly as much

[uneven mason]

I've thought about suggesting that new warriors macro SW to charge

[dense atlas]

Yea that cooldown/duration makes it so it should have at minimum like 25% uptime

[spark girder]

Ok Ty 😊

[robust lark]

ALSO Hekili is going to recommend you to be in defensive stance. Don't take the bait

[uneven mason]

Would push the fotm rerillers to+23s

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[spark girder]

Really?

[toxic pewter]

the whole defensive/battle stance dynamic is still mind boggling to most prot warrs I come across

[dusky canopy]

What you mean?

[robust lark]

Yes use battle stance all the time

[dusky canopy]

We don’t have defensive stance?

[uneven mason]

Bind all your off GCD CD to shield slam and gain 15% performance

[dusky canopy]

[spark girder]

Ah ok lol

[robust lark]

I don't know why I hadn't thought of this yet

[uneven mason]

Like last stand Should be tied to iv

[robust lark]

Oh now I need a macro for thunder clap/revenge/IP to use shield slam instead if it's up

[uneven mason]

Not optimal but better than not using it atall

[toxic pewter]

why macro stuff lol just press buttons

[dusky canopy]

No macro

Macro bad

[robust lark]

How are you anti-macro

[uneven mason]

Pressing buttons is hard

[robust lark]

macro good

[toxic pewter]

certain macros like that are fine

[dense atlas]

You’re basically asking “why make the game easier?”

[toxic pewter]

bundle ability macros are lazy

[robust lark]

lazy is efficient

[toxic pewter]

its just bad gaming technique

[dusky canopy]

Well like you wouldn’t bind block and shield slam for example

[dense atlas]

I would never “bundle” cds

But MO macros are pog

If you’re not using MO macros I don’t even know what to say lmao

[robust lark]

moseover charge macro OP

[dense atlas]

Or cursor macros

Literally makes you a better tank

[robust lark]

my mouseover taunt gets me in trouble on council more often than not

[lusty tiger]

i do @ me

[dusky canopy]

Mouse over, @ player, & @ cursor are all logical yes no reason not to do that if it gives qol

[dense atlas]

MO taunt is ignorant as f

Lmao

[robust lark]

I feel personally attacked

[dusky canopy]

Mouseover taunt is bait

Maybe keys it’s fine

[dense atlas]

I have taunt bound to a key

It’s too important

[dusky canopy]

Yeah D key for me

[lusty tiger]

6

[dusky canopy]

Shift D for aoe taunt

[robust lark]

I mean, I still have to press a key on mouseover to taunt soooo

[toxic pewter]

D?

[robust lark]

mine is Q and SQ

[toxic pewter]

interesting keybind

how do u move

[robust lark]

Q/E prolly

[toxic pewter]

you a mouse mover

[dense atlas]

Oh I thought you had it bound to auto Mo

[dusky canopy]

I move with qwe so that my fingers rest closer to 1-6

[dense atlas]

That’s why I thought it was ignorant

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[robust lark]

I mouse over, I click taunt, it's a mouseover taunt

[toxic pewter]

my taunt is shift e

[robust lark]

Many moons ago I rebound A and D to strafe to use Q and E for hotkeys and it's been great ever since

[toxic pewter]

yeah same

[daring marlin]

Q has been execute for 15 years.

[toxic pewter]

strafe is the way

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been qwe since wotlk I’ve tried switching it just doesn’t feel comfortable at all

[robust lark]

what do you guys use a shield slam? I've got it set to F. IP is G, shield block is T, thunder clap is R

[toxic pewter]

my ss is E

[robust lark]

so I just go through life pressing FRTGFRTGFRTGFRTGF

purple parses

[dusky canopy]

1-6 in order
SS, TC, Rev, Shield block, iP, DS

[toxic pewter]

what do you have bound to Q and E

[robust lark]

Q is taunt, Shift-Q is challenging shout. E is impending victory, Shift-E is shockwave

[toxic pewter]

I would put SS, SB, or TC on easier buttons to reach than G and T personally

theyre our main abilities

[median sage]

Sorry, to clarify, so theres the 1 mob that does the swirly that teleports to furthest player. The other 3 just melee the tank, but for some reason in our 23 they moved behind the tank and melee'd him in the back at the same time and he got one shot. I'm wondering if theres a mechanic we're missing here that would cause this, since this hasnt happened in any other SBGs we've done and we did not engage in a different way. the only thing I can think of is our dps didn't wait long enough for tank to establish aggro and caused the mobs to scatter. would you agree or is there something else im missing

[dusky canopy]

1-4 are your best friend for your most pressed abilities imo

[toxic pewter]

yeah who here 1 Revenge team

[uneven mason]

1 still holds my heroic strike macro and shall never be replaced

[toxic pewter]

O_o

[hidden ether]

Not on mouse wheel

[gloomy turret]

Shield block. Mouse wheel up
Ignore pain mouse wheel down
1 TC 2 SS 3 Revenge

4 avatar

[subtle sparrow]

Explosives

I get anxiety changing targets this much and ranging in heroic throw

Anyone got a better way other than just auto hitting?

[strong forum]

sounds like 🍝

[hidden ether]

Why does heroic throw have a minimum distance ☠️

[strong forum]

cuz alot of warrior spells are stuck in classic

and they just dont bother updating them

[subtle sparrow]

I actually think it's because of Titanic Throw

Man, that would be awesome with 0 range (and make it work with Improved Heroic Throw)

[strong forum]

nah

the care is just too little to remove the min range

reminder that initial shield charge did also have a min-range

[limpid anchor]

Healer issue

[sick sentinel]

not perfect, but i made the epic crafting hammer for smith

[subtle sparrow]

We already had 31 deaths, I think the healer was crying in a corner

Still made timer tho

[uneven mason]

Funny story, when heroic throw was added it had no minimum distance

[subtle sparrow]

I really should google an addon or something that blocks R as reply in combat

[robust lark]

should just be able to rebind it to a hotbar

and it'll reset it

no addon necessary

my R is thunder clap

[sick sentinel]

How big is 4 set for prot? how much IP you get is it notiecable

[robust lark]

this is insane to me

[robust lark]

I thought it was pretty noticeable yes. Synergizes well with Brutal Vitality by giving you more IP uptime without having to actively cast it

[strong forum]

its pretty strong in m+

less so in raid

[dusky canopy]

Bro if you think that’s insane…
I used to raid with a guy who shifted his movement keys over one key so rdfg

He said it enabled a lot more binds

Like bruh

Wtf.. xD

[robust lark]

Brew I have 3 as my interrupt and 4 as SR, but 1 and 2 annoy me because they're harder to press while I'm moving. 1 is demo shout, and I keep hamstring on 2 just in case

I had a conversation with a friend and I was talking about keybinds and he said he needed Q and E for turning to use for facing mobs in dungeons for interrupts

[zinc root]

are there any updated protectin builds?

[craggy pilot]

what route is better in Fort AA? 🤔

for lust timing

[oblique kayak]

Vex-Tree-Craw-Dragon

[craggy pilot]

lust first pull and Bird i guess?

[oblique kayak]

we manage Vex and bird - no trash for us. but you can do that aswell

[craggy pilot]

im just thinking double left pull and lust

the 2 battleaxe

[timber barn]

That shit is brutal with the 2 axes

[small fable]

area52 down?

[subtle sparrow]

Seen this twice this week, is it a new bug or old bug? Really short cast time on the worm knockback in SBG

[robust lark]

DUDE

I had that happen to me!

I thought it was lag or just me being a scrub until it happened in the next run and me, the heals, and a rogue all got hit by it at the same time

[subtle sparrow]

The group were like "sure" when I said the cast time was really short

[robust lark]

yeah the first group got super salty even though nobody died

I thought I was going crazy

[subtle sparrow]

Oh, we wiped

[robust lark]

oh

well then you fucked up

XD

[subtle sparrow]

Still got +2, but pugs are salty

[cinder storm]

I've gotten it now that I think about it

[robust lark]

the cast time showed up but it looks like the animation was delayed

[cinder storm]

I assumed I was slow by poison or tired and my brain was not processing fast enough

[strong forum]

yey finally broke 100k on AA

[robust lark]

jesus

post logs

let me see what I'm doing wrong

[strong forum]

was just a 16 max pad run

legit max pad

[robust lark]

buddy you know I'm online feel free to bring me along for those pad 16s

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N2zPjadXGv7J8HwZ/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[subtle sparrow]

I went to check prot warrior mythic raid logs to see what they are doing single target, they are pulling trash into the boss to pad stats.

[strong forum]

ye eranog for example is just max padding on adds

the only real log to check is terros

everything else has some form of pad

[subtle sparrow]

The top prot warrior has Thunderous Roar as his #1 damage ability on Eranog

(When I checked)

[strong forum]

yup

add pad

[woeful trellis]

anyone here EU can craft boots?

[robust lark]

58.28% vanguar'd determination uptime are you even playing

[strong forum]

i just send it dude

[subtle sparrow]

Connected realms: https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/14296

[cinder storm]

Still parses blue

[strong forum]

this is combat uptime

[robust lark]

you were in defensive stance for 0.00% of the run, reported

[woeful trellis]

im not connected thats why i ask eu 😄

[strong forum]

you need a crafter on your realm, or connected realm

[subtle sparrow]

What do you mean?

[strong forum]

you cant just ask anybody

[subtle sparrow]

@woeful trellis Which server are you on?

[cinder storm]

Why not glacial if it was for max pad?

[strong forum]

cuz its not more dmg than eye in the storm

[cinder storm]

Ah

[woeful trellis]

im on Eredar-EU i thought connected means connected to US im sorry

[subtle sparrow]

Eredar is a solor realm

So you can only get crafts from eredar

[sick sentinel]

step 1 (for this guy) go to valdrakken and or stormwind/org

[robust lark]

best bet is /2

[sick sentinel]

step 2 spam /2 for what u need till get whisper

[errant leaf]

what's up with AV skip fix ?

[robust lark]

gasp did they fix it

[errant leaf]

idk ppl are talking about it

[sick sentinel]

its a really really really dumb skip

slow fall party

W

[cinder storm]

skip fix?

[strong forum]

that got fixed like 2 weeks ago

[sick sentinel]

NO

wrong

absoluetely wrong

a million percent wrong

[robust lark]

I did it last night

[errant leaf]

but we can still jump right ?

[sick sentinel]

i saw it happen just the other day

[strong forum]

you can stil jump from 1st ring to 2nd ring

[errant leaf]

so what did they fix ?

[strong forum]

the other jump

[errant leaf]

from ring to edge ?

[robust lark]

from mid bottom ring to 3rd boss?

[sick sentinel]

oh, there ius 2 av skip?

[strong forum]

ye

[sick sentinel]

well, okay, didnt know lol

[strong forum]

cant skip to 3rd boss

[undone verge]

Dumb

[errant leaf]

cant skip frog then

[robust lark]

I don't believe it

[errant leaf]

will be a nightmare on bolster weeks

[sick sentinel]

you must face the pepegas

[cinder storm]

I've been skipping to third boss, I'm lost

[strong forum]

you could straight up jump down

from before 2nd boss, down to 3rd

iirc

[robust lark]

I swear I did that yesterday

[sick sentinel]

yes,

you slow fall to second boss

kill it

[errant leaf]

they made like an invis wall or some shit like that ?

[robust lark]

Imma go join a M0 and test this right now

[strong forum]

not 2nd boss

[sick sentinel]

slow fall to 3rd boss

thats legit the new strat

[strong forum]

thats the old strat that has been fixed

[sick sentinel]

saw it being ran in a normal modes

[cinder storm]

Yeah, I'm still doing that, last I did was on sunday, from 2nd to 3rd

[sick sentinel]

i wanted to run a dungeon with my alternate keybinds, same binds, different buttons to binds

didn't want to plummet some pugs 15 key

[robust lark]

I'm testing it right now

[stray dome]

whats maximum ilvl from world quests?

[uneven mason]

Depends but I think I've gotten some 382 from the big elite area

[stray dome]

ok cool, yea seeing 382 atm. was unsure if I wanted to w8 to raise my own ilvl before doing the quests

[naive panther]

Just got my third heroic all totem in two days on alts. Druid got avoidance one this time.

[robust lark]

It works

[tulip kelp]

I thought you broke 100K? Or diff log? lol

[cinder storm]

Logs take into account downtime iirc

[tulip kelp]

Oh so my 85K in 20AA on details will be lower on WCL? I've never logged a M+ so have no idea

[robust lark]

yes

[warm plinth]

Yes, details stops recording once the group leaves combat.

[robust lark]

details stops when combat stops, logs don't

what he said

[strong forum]

active dps is 107k

[tulip kelp]

Noiceeee

I wanna try that, sounds fun af

No lust / WF too.. wonder if I could break 100K

[robust lark]

man nom I'm 411 ilvl and don't think I could even get close to that

were there just some massive pulls?

[strong forum]

literally the normal pulls

[robust lark]

sick

[strong forum]

nothing out of the ordinary

[lusty tiger]

which dungeon?

[robust lark]

guess I just suck

[strong forum]

AA

[lusty tiger]

r u optimizing outburst TCs?

[cinder storm]

Nome is built differently

[robust lark]

I guess I gotta re-gem for haste/crit instead of haste/vers

that'll surely make all the difference

oh and maybe pick up a 415 whetstone

[strong forum]

i optimise all of my outbursts, yes

[lusty tiger]

do you just revenge another time even if ss is up but tc isnt?

[strong forum]

depends on rage

[lusty tiger]

well, if youre out of rage u cannot do that

[strong forum]

well not only that

but if youre low rage, its better to send on SS

to get more revenges

[robust lark]

dang the whetstone did 4.39% of your damage

I need me one awful

time to farm CoS

[sick sentinel]

Is lariat and the crafted belt considered embelishemnts if so can I craft head with embelishment?

[strong forum]

they are embellishments yes

[dusky canopy]

This guy 4 hours ago “whetstone is better on single target than it is on aoe” runs whetstone to flex AA overall

[pallid quiver]

It's still not bad in aoe

It's just capped at that damage, so aoe trinks do more in specifically aoe

[plush tendon]

well All Totem seems to be pumpin to

but All Totem has strength

[wet dust]

Is it worth crafting 4pc on a shitty piece of gear (like 382ish) just to have the bonus for pushing keys or can it wait?

[dusky canopy]

Ye I’m still going to start rocking hoof/all totem anyway sims show it being better

[plush tendon]

id wait

youll get a 398 or 402 piece you can juice up

and catalize that

[dusky canopy]

What kind of key pushing are we talking?

[wet dust]

Yeah I rerolled from Guardian so I’m a bit undergeared but have 3pc currently.

[plush tendon]

and thats only like the 16-20 range

[wet dust]

I’m 388 doing 17/18s

[plush tendon]

yea, youll get a drop

juice it up, catalyze

gg

[dusky canopy]

I’d farm for a higher piece of gear then imo

[plush tendon]

now you got a 415 piece (cause uncapped valor next week, so time to spend spend spend!)

[dusky canopy]

You could catalyst that low shit and then get a 402 piece the next run

[wet dust]

[sick sentinel]

i made it sparkle at least

that should be my goal all slots possible +1 sparkles

[dusky canopy]

4pc is not enabling you to do higher keys it’s just a nice bonus

No reason to sweat it

[dense atlas]

What add on tells you stat percentages like that

[dusky canopy]

Farm a higher item level piece to catalyst

[wet dust]

Yeah I wasn’t sure if it was a dps upgrade that was worth getting, cause you basically never press ignore pain unless you have to immediately dump rage right?

[dusky canopy]

Only IP to prevent rage cap

Also note that 4pc doesn’t give you damage it gives you tanky

[wet dust]

Right. I was more so thinking that instead of ever hitting IP you just Revenge to spend rage would be a dps increase.

[dusky canopy]

You will have to press ip to prevent rage cap

Gcd is to slow

[wet dust]

[icy bane]

Possible s2 leak?

[dusky canopy]

That’s from the M+ disc right saw that earlier

[icy bane]

Ye big haste proc

[dusky canopy]

Yo that set bonus

Is that a neck piece strand of the stars

We’ll be zoomin all over lmao

[sick sentinel]

is valor uncap with the reset

[dusky canopy]

I think some of those bosses were total ass.. if I’m remembering correctly arcway wasn’t a popular key

[dusky canopy]

Yes upcoming reset is uncapped valor

[jagged pier]

oh fuck no not the arcway

[slim dove]

NO

NOT ARCWAY

FUCK OFF

[dusky canopy]

Dude for real that’s how I’m remembering it

[slim dove]

is that ptr?

cant do on live

[dusky canopy]

That’s the place you have to sneak around the garden and shit isn’t it

Basically the dungeon is walking around suramar city blehhh

[sick sentinel]

wtf is the arcway

[slim dove]

every inch of arcway

is awful

[jagged pier]

^

[sick sentinel]

i cant recall off hand

[dusky canopy]

Couldn’t agree more.. hope that’s a big nope

[slim dove]

it make ssense

to complete the "set" bonus from the neck/trinket

[dusky canopy]

Yeah but like

CoS won’t be obtainable at max ilvl anymore

So who cares?

[jagged pier]

never again

[dusky canopy]

Now that’s a flex

[jagged pier]

i actually pushed in legion

then i was done

never again

[slim dove]

dht tyr weeks

lmao

[sick sentinel]

ohhh yeah

[dusky canopy]

44 minute In time dungeon btw

[sick sentinel]

id id that place once

[dusky canopy]

Sheesh

[sick sentinel]

i ran it for shits and giggles,

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

no fucking idea whats going on there

[lusty tiger]

Mini raid

[dusky canopy]

If we have to pick another legion dungeon I personally would vote for maw of souls

[slim dove]

please no

[dusky canopy]

Would make knocking out the weekly keys quick

[slim dove]

i have every pull of that dungeon forever embedded into my brain

[dusky canopy]

Kinda like sbg

[slim dove]

its better then sbg i guess

[dusky canopy]

We’re talking like a 10 minute dungeon

It’s sweet

Do it in 5 pulls

[jagged pier]

well if u look at my list it wasnt 10 mins

[pallid quiver]

just wait until they pad it out to 50 mins

[slim dove]

long

trash sucks

5 bosses

end boss bricks keys

[dusky canopy]

Bro yeah 25 minutes on +23

[jagged pier]

best thing about legion m+ in the entire season i have like 3 runs of the arcway total

[dusky canopy]

That was a steady like 15 minute dungeon at the farm level

[jagged pier]

because u didnt need to endlessly farm m+

just did it when u wanted to

[edgy bone]

M+ dungeons should all be 20min max

Ppls attention spans are going down

[jagged pier]

XD

just wait for ubrs

[edgy bone]

No one wants to be in a dungeon for 40 anymore

[dusky canopy]

Hell yeah! Ubers

Let’s gooooo

[lusty tiger]

Rend rp

[jagged pier]

pull the entire first room

[lusty tiger]

Can’t wait

[pallid quiver]

put in vanilla brd for M+

[dusky canopy]

Ticon

I hard disagree

I want 8 man mega dungeons

Run it exactly like a dungeon not like a raid

[edgy bone]

FK that

[pallid quiver]

I like mega dungeons, personally. They're always fun to go through

[dusky canopy]

Varughh and I already debated this last week mooman

[slim dove]

we did?

[uneven mason]

BRD for season 2

[dusky canopy]

Well not debate but we talked about it

Wait maybe it was nom actually

My bad guy

[slim dove]

yeah not me

[chrome jacinth]

got a spark and i have 415 wep and sheld which item would you craft? shield or wep (kinda tempted to go shield and hold out for the strike twice dream vault )

[uneven mason]

Brd mega dungeon I want

[dusky canopy]

Hell yes!

[pallid quiver]

since we're talking wants and all, I want like all the current affixes removed and only having like one interesting seasonal affix to play around

[dusky canopy]

25 boss dungeon

Let’s fkkinn goo boys

That would be sic!

[icy bane]

Go for shield

[dusky canopy]

Brd gaming

[uneven mason]

Biggest brain, black rock mountain, brd+lbrs+ubrs mega dungeon

[dusky canopy]

All in one mega dungeon

2 hour timer

Lmfao

[uneven mason]

Yassss

Lezgo

[lusty tiger]

I would unalive myself

[dusky canopy]

No bio breaks

Get the bucket

We gotta time

[uneven mason]

Old-school conflag mechanics

[lusty tiger]

Wiping on last boss lbrs

Just uninstall

[dusky canopy]

20 minute run to last boss

Rip key

[sick sentinel]

split it into upper and lowbers

[uneven mason]

No

[dusky canopy]

No way, I vote for the mega mega

[lusty tiger]

Actually

[dusky canopy]

25 bosses or bust

[lusty tiger]

U guys are all wrong

[uneven mason]

Do it how Green Jesus intended

[lusty tiger]

The real mega dungeon is UBRS+BWL

[uneven mason]

Bwl is actually very short

[lusty tiger]

Yea

But that makes sense

And BRD+MC

[uneven mason]

Lbrs ubrs are literally one zone

[sick sentinel]

if its really 25 bosses

not including chees 7 dwarfs count each

[uneven mason]

Like you could jump from a bridge in ubrs and skip to last boss lbrs with slowfall

[sick sentinel]

do 4-5 bosses per

4 dungeons,, maybe something has to be cut,

[uneven mason]

So lbrs ubrs and bwl

[lusty tiger]

The one before ubrs last boss room?

[uneven mason]

Iirc ya

[dusky canopy]

I hope to dethrone the dark iron dwarven king once again

And get fat loots

[uneven mason]

Emperor you swine

[lusty tiger]

Lmfao

[uneven mason]

DiD is best alliance race

[dusky canopy]

^

[lusty tiger]

It’s pretty good

[sick sentinel]

mechagnome collector and crafting kultiran best profession combo

for like couple

[uneven mason]

Yogi like most opinions you share, that one is very incorrect and should shame your ancestors

[sick sentinel]

kultiran +15 to all crafts, mechagnome counts for most crafting nessecities (forge, anvil, cooking fire etc)

[warm plinth]

Kul Tiran is like

+2 to all crafts

[dusky canopy]

I’m betting the next mega dungeon will be dragon themed

[sick sentinel]

you'd make a killing of gold

[warm plinth]

It was nerfed going into DF because of the new crafting system.

[sick sentinel]

oh, i thought it was +15 to all skills, oh well,

[warm plinth]

The most any race gives to profs now is 5 I think

[uneven mason]

They also use the pandaren skeleton so I can't stop seeing them as hairless bears

[dusky canopy]

For real?

[sick sentinel]

but, yes, deftness for gathering is basically haste for gathering, its insane in open world

[dusky canopy]

I didn’t realize they used panda skele

LUL

[sick sentinel]

cuz your not spending, 4 seconds to collect, instead 2 seconds, around a bunch of mobs

[warm plinth]

I don't spend 4 seconds to collect anything

and I'm a blood elf 🤔

[oak echo]

Highmountain mining taking like 0.5 seconds is goated

you just don’t even see the cast bar

[uneven mason]

Yeah just like the nightborn use horribly scaled night elves Skelton's, which is why armor and eyeslits didn't fit for the first 6 months after they were added

[steel belfry]

anyone know if [Severing Slash] from AA's Spellbound Battle Axe avoidable?

[warm plinth]

No, you need to use stops for it (stuns, etc.)

[steel belfry]

cheers

[solemn nebula]

which trinkets are best with the two raid rings and frostfire belt combo?

[dusky canopy]

Just blame healer

Easy dub

[solemn nebula]

I have the whispering icon, decoration, and blazebinder

[scenic mural]

Doesnt really affect whT trinkets you run

[stiff gate]

can you block or parry while channeling grieftorch?

[warm plinth]

No

[stiff gate]

unfortunate

[warm plinth]

All same ilevel?

[solemn nebula]

@scenic mural wouldnt trinkets that do fire damage synergize best with the rings?

[warm plinth]

If you already have the belt, you should basically be proccing the ring as much as you can anyway

Adding more isn't going to make it proc more

[solemn nebula]

ok i was going to ask if anyone has worked out the numbers for it

@warm plinth i have heroic ilvl trinkets, and i just got the blazebinder hoof at 398

should i just use the highest ilvl combo then?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

In this case

[lilac jay]

Backstep

[wooden widget]

What’s wrong with barb training

[round pendant]

it's crap

[oak echo]

it's easy to rage starve

with it

[final otter]

im assuming charge and shield charge macro has to be a shift switch macro right? it cant be like charge and intervene and help harm cause both are for harm

[wooden widget]

I thought we wanted to dump rage with revenge anyways?

[sick sentinel]

wouldn't this also be good for fire ring?

[wooden widget]

That’s for ranged

Quiver

[sick sentinel]

booo

[steel belfry]

this works?

in a queue now, can test

[robust lark]

I miss the days of 15 man LBRS and Stratholme

and more

[mighty valley]

my wife just pointed out recently that the entire valentine's day boss fight is just a huge reference to the movie The Rock

how did I never notice this for years

[lusty tiger]

The rock?

Sry I’m like 10

[robust lark]

best bond movie

[tepid raptor]

where do u guys go for routes?

[sterile bough]

play enough so u know what mobs are worth what

[tepid raptor]

so thats how u minmax?

nah but 4real

[robust lark]

When I was still stressing about routes I used keystone guru a lot at first. Then I asked on here and a very kind and patient warrior sent me his routes which I imported into MDT. Now I have some pretty standard routes memorized and don't have to check often...watching videos of other tanks doing it was okay, and running dungeons as DPS to watch how other tanks pulled taught me a lot of what to do, as much as what not to do.

But the best way to learn them is to do them and screw them up and then do them a little better next time ad nauseum until you don't even think about routes anymore

Which is 100% going to happen given enough experience

[tepid raptor]

yeah by correct and error

[warm plinth]

watch the movie. It's great.

It has one of the best quotes in movie history

[robust lark]

At first if you try to stick to a set route and the DPS butt pulls every pack you tried to skip (looking at you room right before the 2nd tower in CoS), you're gonna get stressed out because now your route is off. So just try to be flexible and don't worry about it much, because the rare perfect run where your route is followed 100% isn't going to happen often XD

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bMK6I.gif

[strong forum]

buffs

[lusty tiger]

Epic

[warm plinth]

Have they fixed the issue with logs not showing stances unless they're used during the fight?

[strong forum]

no

[warm plinth]

sadge

I'm guessing logs just don't report it unless a cast happens

feelsbad

[strong forum]

cant track it cuz its an infinite buff

no events happen there

[hexed fog]

I am finally getting around to getting a Lariat, what is the consensus on best gems? Best to stack the straight haste gem or a haste and something combo gem?

[warm plinth]

Never use one stat when you can get more stats. I use the haste>crit gems

[hexed fog]

Thank you!

[distant crystal]

haste > crit will proc crit on lariat

[warm plinth]

Yes, but I get more static haste that way, and it's not like crit is bad.

[round pendant]

Stat weights are trash right? I have quite low haste (22%) and it literally weighs crit at 1.82 and haste at 1.30

[warm plinth]

Stat weights are not really something you can make effective use of because changing the stats changes the stat weights.

e.g. you could theoretically change an enchant from haste to crit, rerun the stat weight, and now haste is more than crit

[round pendant]

Yeah I get it

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming your crit is very low though if it's outsimming haste

[round pendant]

just surprising how haste is like our #1 and it's never actually weighed haste as being better for me

17% crit

[warm plinth]

Can you post the sim?

[cyan lichen]

Hello folks...
I have my first Concentrated Primal.
I am not sure to upgrade shield or weapon (both 405)
Also have a Strike Twice 398, than I would be able to upgrade to 411 if needed

[round pendant]

like my only "bad" pieces of gear are my cape and boots I guess

Guess my weapon is meh but I'm switching back to crafted when I get a concentrated infusion

[warm plinth]

Well first you'll notice that there's not a big difference there aside from strength and weapon DPS, which is why we generally advocate more stats over better stats.

Secondly, and not that this really changed much when I redid the sim, but why are you simming a 1 minute single target fight

[round pendant]

Like you said doesn't really change much

not sure why it was on 1 min tho

what settings do you suggest for simming in general

[warm plinth]

For keys I do ST 3 mins, 5T 3 min, and 10T 3 min

You can do the aoe sims from 1-3. I avoid shorter sims because you're basically just simming your burst in a 1 minute sim.

[round pendant]

That's true I guess

haste might be valued less too in 1minutes because bloodlust has more of an effect?

[dusty bear]

How good is our 4set?

[warm plinth]

But you'll notice in the 3 min sim I did, the weights are even closer together

Literally .35 difference

from worst to best

[warm plinth]

Very strong in keys, kinda whatever in raid

[clear plaza]

Strike Twice vs Spellbane cutlass?

[warm plinth]

Strike Twice at same ilevel, otherwise highest ilevel.

[dusty bear]

So i have a problem with catalyst charge. It was supposed to be account wide I have 1 on hunter, 0 on war..

[signal ivy]

So I am having such a fuckin hard time with void lashers in sbg. What’s y’all’s strat? I’m 2700 io gettin dropped like jfk

[modest gulch]

with 5 stacks of into the fray, is this overkill?

[warm plinth]

How are you determining that you have 1 on your hunter?

And is the concern that you have 0 on your warrior or only 1 on your hunter?

[dusty bear]

There a script to run that tell you how much u have

It wasn t supposed to be account wide

?

[warm plinth]

It is account-wide.

But you have to actually do the quest every week.

And turn it in

[dusty bear]

This week i cannot see the quest..

[warm plinth]

Go to the great vault

There should be an NPC literally right in front of it

[dusty bear]

I went, it s not

[warm plinth]

Then you probably did it already

[dusty bear]

..

[warm plinth]

Look in your quest log for Revival Catalyst

[dry spear]

Better to go haste>versa in gems for higher keys like 22/23 or stick with haste>crit gems for the lariat? What do you gem?

[dusty bear]

I didn t do it this reset

[warm plinth]

Run this script:

/dump C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2166).quantity

What does it say

[uneven mason]

Thank you for recognizing it for what it is.

[wooden widget]

what would i even use if not barb training?

[warm plinth]

Something that isn't barbaric training

[wooden widget]

my revenge seems to be a lot of my dmg

[uneven mason]

Like, you can literally use anything else and have a plus

[warm plinth]

Extra utility generally

It is.

[uneven mason]

Your revenge total will go up dropping BT

It's a newbie trap

[warm plinth]

But you're making revenge less damage per rage by running it. You can cast 3 revenges for the price of 2 with BT and get more damage

[uneven mason]

relative it might go down

because more SS

but total will go up

[wooden widget]

woah

i need some time

with this

[uneven mason]

Would you pay 50% more for only 25% more of something IRL?

[dire matrix]

yes

yes i would

[uneven mason]

When you could just...buy 3 for the price of 2?

[dire matrix]

depends if you are rage limited

or gcd limited

its ok in raid innit

[uneven mason]

BT will rage starve you and leave open GCDs

both are bad

yeah ST its ok

because of some strange thing

I wouldn't suggest it

but it's ok

[sick sentinel]

guys im confused my haste values and % with other warrs are different

how does this even work?

[uneven mason]

wat

[sick sentinel]

Im confused too

[uneven mason]

you're looking at in game tooltips vs website

[sick sentinel]

my haste is now RIP lol

why would it be diff?

[dire matrix]

thoser haste numbers are a lie

they are incorrect

%s

[uneven mason]

talents

[sick sentinel]

tried to run hov 15, but, everyone was dying like crazy

[uneven mason]

#protection message
Here, I did my rant on this already back here.

[dire matrix]

i lost 2% haste

where did it go

i havent changed any gear

[uneven mason]

a stack of ITF

[dire matrix]

nvm

it was rune