protection

[warm plinth]

1/5/10 is generally what I do, 3 mins each

[civic olive]

at what point do I get rid of the assembly ring? it's still doin 3-4% of my damage during keys

[tropic jacinth]

During Avatar, is you have a SS proc and TC is available, do you ALWAYS SS?

[slim dove]

sim yo self.

usually 415 rings tho

[lone eagle]

Keep in mind Assembly Ring has less secondaries than another ring of the same ilvl

so while it does "more" it also means you do marginally less damage with everything else

[civic olive]

ty for the info

[potent anvil]

How good is decoration of flame for m+?

You can cheese the dmg for aoe, right?

[warm plinth]

It's basically only good for the damage part, but it's still not super great in comparison to other trinkets (e.g. whetstone, all-totem)

[potent anvil]

I got a heroic all totem

[warm plinth]

But it can hit explosives apparently so there's that

[potent anvil]

I see

[round pendant]

Should I use Decoration, Ruby or Hoof as my second trinket?

first trinket is All-Totem

m+ btw

[vivid lantern]

I swear my grieftorch hit explosives too in a CoS run i did.

[warm plinth]

who knows, maybe it does.

🍝

[potent anvil]

I just know that you can cheese decoration aoe, have it hit 1 target then try to make the return flames hit everything else. So it'll hit them as if it were hitting 1 target (no split).

[warm plinth]

I haven't heard about that technique, so I'm not sure

[round pendant]

So run away and activate at a distance?

[potent anvil]

What I heard, I just got one so I'm gonna test later

So instead of like 40k split among 5, it's just 40k to every target or w/e

[round pendant]

that's really good if it can be done consistently

[warm plinth]

Yeah let me know. It seems like it might be kinda hard to make it hit 1 target in an aoe setting though

[round pendant]

Damn no 16+ CoS groups

still no whetstone

[warm plinth]

Just loot it 4Head

[round pendant]

toxic players from last dungeon are living in my head rent free rn

[warm plinth]

Noooo

https://tenor.com/1GiD.gif

[round pendant]

Man said to me "you know how I know you're bad tank.. because free keys are your highest"

like bro :(

[warm plinth]

Woah

Toxic af

[round pendant]

and he said my route was trash

but like I looked it up man, it's what everyone does!

[warm plinth]

🤔

[round pendant]

It's weird because in CoS basically all the fails are because of the dps players dying to frontals

I position the mobs so they're frontalling the wall and somehow they still die

[warm plinth]

That's called skill

[round pendant]

granted I did butt pull the enforcer because of that spawn

but that's recoverable in +16 but these dudes didn't even LoS the first enforcer

and we immediately reset and killed the miniboss anyway so we lost like 20 seconds

fwiw I know how to avoid pulling that awkward spawn but I just zoned out for a bit

[warm plinth]

Pro tip, enforcers can't spawn in the same place twice, so just pull the miniboss where the previous one was and you're perfectly safe (or if you're moving sides, pull on to the bridge)

[civic olive]

I've had enforcers spawn on us as we fought the miniboss where the previous enforcer died

[last mason]

the world boss can drop sparks?

[slim dove]

yes

[warm plinth]

Some of them patrol a bit. You need to make sure you're well away from the spawn point

[last mason]

as the wq reward or seperately

[warm plinth]

I've seen screenshots of sparks as WQ rewards, but not sure if it was specifically the world boss or not

[jade stump]

Some tip for kurog mythic? Im doing the first movement at 97% but still failing like 1 out of 10 😦

[mortal brook]

yeah thats spellqueue and server tick for you

gotta nail that early 97 xd

[lone eagle]

to clarify, regardless of whether that part still works

99% of trinkets that do reduced damage at higher target counts basically work such that 5 targets is 60% more total damage than 1 target

so an eggnog trinket on 1 will do normal damage, and on 5 targets it will do 160% of damage split 5 ways

[summer adder]

yo does anyone else struggle keeping threat from co DH tanks? or do i suck?

[potent anvil]

Yeah, it's mostly gaming the waves return

[mortal brook]

give logs

[limber flame]

my keys today have been god awful, its been painful

[slim dove]

they struggle to keep threat from me

[foggy ruin]

how do u play around subjugated souls dropping aggro for no reason

[limber flame]

taunt the casters

souls aggro is based off the channelers

[torn jay]

They share aggro with the dominators

[foggy ruin]

i see

ty

[warm plinth]

You also need to make sure to kick the dominate before the dominators die. If they die and the soul is still alive then it will often just go off and attack whoever, and at that point there's nothing you can do about it since the dominator is dead.

[round pendant]

honestly everyone just kicks dominate in my groups anyway

it's wack

[limpid pawn]

hey if i used my creation catalyst for the first time today

can i claim another charge somehow or no

i know its supposed to award one each week or something?

[toxic pewter]

Yah you should be able to claim 3 charges by now if im not mistaken

[limpid pawn]

how

[tender quartz]

Azure Vault 100% 2nd Boss Skip down jumping fixed apparently can someone confirm?

Timed a 21 yesterday the basic route cause Shadow said something but I couldn't find anything regarding that

[toxic pewter]

I guess go to the guy standing near the catalyst and maybe he should have a quest

[shy python]

BigDebuffs doens't show the Shield Charge stun on nameplates does it?

[limpid pawn]

i don't see a quest there

[toxic pewter]

is there any quest in your quest log

[warm plinth]

Have you done the quest 3 times? It's a weekly quest; it doesn't just hand you the charges every week.

[silver vessel]

spiteful storm vs rumbling ruby?

[warm plinth]

For what content? Neither are very good for keys.

[silver vessel]

been using a 402 rumbling ruby and just got a 411 spiteful storm

yeah i know, but they're what i have

everything else i have is way low

for M+

i'm assuming going with the better ilvl

even though rumbling ruby seems like more dps

[warm plinth]

Hmm

Idk, ruby probably? It's really hard to say though.

[silver vessel]

yeah the extra strength probably makes spiteful storm a bit betteR?

[warm plinth]

Could be, yeah

[silver vessel]

meh

[warm plinth]

In any case, I'd try to get something else asap lol

[silver vessel]

haha yeah fair, i have decoration as well, also not great

[stuck sequoia]

I would sim it and see which one does better

[warm plinth]

I would've suggested that, but ruby doesn't sim that well because of how its damage connects.

[stuck sequoia]

My 402 rumbling does ~4% of my overall dmg even though I’m 415

[silver vessel]

oh wow

[warm plinth]

It goes out in a line, not a cone, but sims assume it hits everything, so it oversims.

[stuck sequoia]

For me, 402 ruby outsims a 415 whetstone single target

Makes sense though

[silver vessel]

eh maybe ill keep ruby on for fort at least

maybe spiteful storm is better for tyran potentially

i'll sim it later though

[ebon wren]

what are you training ruiby for

[silver vessel]

not ruby whelp shell

rumbling ruby

should have clarified

[stuck sequoia]

🤙

[pallid hare]

does grieftorch benefit from from avatar/demo shout?
is it worth casting in that buff window or cast when other stuff is down?

[warm plinth]

Class CDs only benefit class abilities.

Generally you'd want to use it as close to on CD as possible outside of CD windows.

[pallid hare]

okie thanks

[stuck sequoia]

Nice

Been farming cos

Still no whetstone

[edgy spear]

The hardest thing is managing people buttpulling shit before 1st boss.

2nd hardest is making them understand the imp reflect tech

[ionic fern]

Just don't bother.

[rough egret]

I dont understand ppl that dont take Intimidating shout, its such great ability to play with in pugs espec.

[edgy spear]

Yeah you can carry quite hard in pugs with shout + 2 stuns

[ionic fern]

3*

[cinder storm]

Why is the hardest part of hov first pull dps not clearing thundering

[rough egret]

Cus numbers

Min max that 30% buff 😄

[edgy spear]

True true

[woeful trellis]

Why no fear ?

[sick sentinel]

is Seal of Filial Duty even that good as prot?

[amber siren]

it's ok, doesn't take away anything from the stat budget for the proc

[brave maple]

do you have it and did you test it?

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

how's your day

[ionic fern]

Going awfully slow.

How about yours?

[warm plinth]

Just got home. Roads are awful, took me 30 mins to make a 10 min drive

[warm plinth]

Free effect 🤷 It's good

[edgy spear]

The proc is nice and you proc it from the frostfire belt

Does about 7% of my self healing on a whole raidnight

[heavy temple]

How do I check how good my IP usage is? E.g. at Terros M i have roughly 11cpm IP, while top logs only have 6-7 cpm.

I'd like to check if some of those are wasted, or how much I let it run out unecessarily

[warm plinth]

You don't care how good your IP usage is. It sounds like you're just pressing IP too much and revenge not enough.

IP is mostly a rage dump if you can't spend it fast enough with revenge

[heavy temple]

Well, I feel like, I need it to live

[warm plinth]

Do you have a log?

[heavy temple]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDh41nC6QPzkwbAF#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=2

Sure

biggest thing probably is my bad usage of violent outburst, and low-ish avatar uptime.
That's at least what I found I have to improve on

Also it has a death, due to dust being cleared on at the exact time while we need to tank beam remaining pillars 😄

Probably could've avoided it, but that bedrock timing was kinda toxic^^

[heavy temple]

have you had a chance to look at it?

[jagged pier]

your revenge is giga low

[heavy temple]

yes

I feel like I'm in danger a lot

that is why I wanted to check if that is actually true, and if I need this much IP

or if i can just use it less

[jagged pier]

i dunno i used more 2 less IPs than u in a fight thats 20 seconds shorter but cast nearly 30 more revenges as well

🤷

[heavy temple]

Hm, I compared my log to sense.

Thanks

[warm plinth]

sorry went into a key right after, I'll look shortly

[split remnant]

So what trinkets are actually decent for m+? Currently have Granyths Enduring Scale 415ilvl, Whetstone 405ilvl, Blazebinders Hoof 415ilvl and Decoration of Flame 402ilvl. Many people use Decoration and Whetstone. Nobody uses Enduring Scale and some peopel use Blazebinders Hoof.

I dont think its actually a big deal to use the best trinkets but I still want to go semi optimal

Obviously Council trinket would be the best (I guess, most people use it).

[jagged pier]

its not the best

the best is all totem and whetstone

[split remnant]

Oh yeah I meant the all totem and mistake it. Sorry.

All totem. Thats the one

[glacial swift]

For which content, raid or m+

[ornate snow]

hey where do i post memes of warriors

[split remnant]

M+. I never raid. Most boring shit ever.

[ornate snow]

im sure this isnt the right place for this but it was a hoot

[pallid quiver]

So it looks like you pressed Shield Wall twice the entire pull

let's start from that

[timber terrace]

your problem is more you're underusing your defensives, you should use shield wall and/or reflect everytime your cotank explodes the pillar when you have the tank debuff because that's when you take the most damage, on this fight i'm at 38k dtps when you're at 48k

[orchid frigate]

anyone else that ran into mobs resetting aggro in AA (1st pull)?

[solemn island]

hey, did they fix the hyrja bugg ? i just cant get it anymore

[sick sentinel]

coming from VDH, new to prot war, this spec has so many more buttons, and quite a lot of defensives too

been hearing it was a braindead spec, but ill be damned a lot of stuff going on with it

[jagged pier]

its braindead compared to the last like 5 expansions

[blazing condor]

id say its in line with other tank specs now

[timber terrace]

People tend to mix power levels and ease to play, when a tank is strong/op people call it braindead and when it's underpowered people call it hard to play

[jagged pier]

i mean theres still a huge gap in skill difference between top and bottom prots

even with it being easier

[reef holly]

Pull boss, pop all defensive, hearth

[timber terrace]

There is a huge gap beetween the top and bottom players of any spec but for example in sl people called brewmaster boring or easy, now it didn't change that much and people call it a really hard to play spec

[jagged pier]

it changed a lot actually

brew at least

[timber terrace]

It really didn't tbh, maybe people just became more aware of how it should be played because it's less forgiving now

[topaz field]

brew didnt change?

it literally got 10 more buttons to press

compared to sl

[viral shell]

Hey guys. Primal longsword vs Primal mace. Why is one better then the other? The only difference is min dmg vs max dmg. Wowhead recommends the longsword but I don't understand why.

[pallid quiver]

They're the exact same

[timber terrace]

Just because you get 2 covenants at once doesn't mean the spec fundamentally changed

[pallid quiver]

It's just more people spec'd sword, so

it's easier to get a sword than a mace or axe

[viral shell]

Ah

[tender quartz]

What's the easiest to double chest this week... AA, TJS, AV, HOV, NO?

I'm kinda 2 points off

[jagged pier]

SMBG

always

[tender quartz]

That and COS on 23++

I need a 21++ or a 22

[blazing condor]

tjs out of those 5 my guess

or NO

[tender quartz]

NO with bursting? I dont remember the last time we had bursting in there

[blazing condor]

NO has a pretty lenient timer

but id prefer tjs personally

[tender quartz]

Yea that's true

What if you skip pandas

And you die between there and 2nd boss

or 3rd*

[blazing condor]

then you probably wont 2 chest it

[topaz field]

2 chesting tojs is very ambitious

[tender quartz]

Do I need to 2 chest anyway to get 2 points or is a "smoother run" fine too?

[topaz field]

need some gamers for that

[tender quartz]

Like a faster 21

[ionic fern]

Depends what your previous run was.

....

[tender quartz]

Meh lemme go check

[blazing condor]

if you only need 2 points of rio you just need to do better than your previous run

either +1 key level

[ionic fern]

I mean..i can't calculate that.

[blazing condor]

or much faster ig

[ionic fern]

If you're faster than before

You get X points.

[tender quartz]

I mean

My Halls 21 is 12s under

make it 2-3 minutes under should give 2 points eh?

[ionic fern]

Jeh.

[warm plinth]

2-3 minutes probably not though tbh. You get up to another 7.5 points by doing it 40% faster. So assuming it's linear, it'd be less than a point to beat the timer by 3 mins

[timber terrace]

If you care that much about score you should just do higher keys

[warm plinth]

like .6 points

[tender quartz]

yea ill prolly will have to do a 22 on either of those

rip that academy that was 20 seconds over today caues 80k dps players

( i was 75k in def stance cuz dumbdumb )

[warm plinth]

[tender quartz]

Btw about AV

we timed it on 21 yday, some guy said jump doesnt work anymore, that true?

we did basic route just to be sure, but i haven't read anything

[eager phoenix]

Jump Skip Not Working After Patch is this expansions version of Onyxia db's more

[jagged pier]

i like how im 14 score away from top 1% and i dont even run m+

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tender quartz]

is academy 2 chest doable?

never paid attention to the ++ timers

[blazing condor]

depends on what dps you hav

and how clean the run is

idk everything is doable i guess but feels unlikely unless you got god team mates

[jagged pier]

u need to do some pretty spicy pulls in fort AA to 2 chest

[tender quartz]

eh ill just go 22 any of those i guess

[topaz field]

academy is 2 chestable but u have to pull trash into vexamus and last boss for example

[tender quartz]

but so azure you can still do the jump ye?

was bs what the guy said?

[low pulsar]

Good Morning, how do you sim you caracter for m+? patchwerk? 1 or more targets? lenghts? thanks for your help 🙂

[jagged pier]

3-5 targets

45-1min

remove all buffs

like lust and pot

[low pulsar]

alright ty. 3-5 targets means patchwerk with 3-5 targets? or some other option like hectic add cleave?

[jagged pier]

yes patchwerk

[low pulsar]

ty!

[grand whale]

for crafting i was looking at doing sword, lariat, frostfire belt, ring, and a shield is that good?

two embellish and the next most important thing would sword shield and ring ?

[warm plinth]

Sword and shield are the most important. Then you can worry about embellishments.

[eager phoenix]

shield and weapon then neck and belt if you need to prio primal infusers. a 392 lariat and ring is fine as is. lariat effect same, just more stats and ring has a socket

[grand whale]

sure thing

thanks

[silent sky]

Just leveled a prot warrior, ready to start some low keys. First time tanking. Any more experienced fellas have a good M+ route guide they'd recommend? I know all the fight mechanics from my dps main but don't really know the most efficient routes

[eager phoenix]

i mean if you did it as dps you go the same way? 🤔

[silent sky]

well yeah that generally works, but 1. i doubt most pug tanks use the most efficient routes anyway and 2. i am a stereotypical dps that doesn't pay enough attention to what's going on 😇

i mean i can obviously make it to the end of the dungeon, it's not like i'm getting lost, but I know there are certain routes that high skill players use to most efficiently clear the dungeon w.o wasting time

[eager phoenix]

well, if you literally have no opinion on what trash sucks for count or are generally hard/annoying just pull pack by pack W route and adjust as you get a feeling for it next time you visit the dungeon

there are plenty of routes like Dratnos weekly on rio

to get you started

[blazing condor]

you should get mythic dungeon tools addon and just look around in there. Gives you a good understanding of the packs and routes

then for starters just import weekly routes from dratnos or something

[latent steppe]

rn i have %21 haste and %15 versa, which ring i should pick above ? i have crafted haste versa in 1st slot

[rough egret]

Melandrus

[jagged pier]

the ones with most haste

also gemming and enchanting vers

👀

[rough egret]

Any reason you funneling vers?

[eager phoenix]

WeirdChamp

[edgy spear]

Two left most ones. Gem/enchant for haste first vers/crit 2nd

[latent steppe]

asking for m+

[edgy spear]

Same applies

Vers isn't some magical stat

[rough egret]

You have crafted one

So melandrus is the 2nd

Sockets is ^^

More stats is always better

[edgy spear]

All our secondaries help us take less dmg. Haste means more rage gen and more IP, crit is more parry, vers is less dmg taken, mastery is more crit block and bigger IPs.

[rough egret]

But you can always went for it the old ways

[topaz leaf]

what can I drop for disrupting shout?

[jagged pier]

sof

[topaz leaf]

thanks

[tired forge]

is there a good way for us to kill explosives?

[lime urchin]

Not really a smooth way to do it other than shieldslamming them

Or heroic throwing far ones

[jagged pier]

the group

[lime urchin]

But mostly just pray for a group that does em

[rough egret]

Some say its healers job

But no its group

[sick sentinel]

bring a hunter

kills it in 1 ranged aa

[tired forge]

ok so long asd im not crazy

[sick sentinel]

it literal only has 500 1k hp

but you must target it

[latent steppe]

so i understand that haste is not something super magical thingie for us. should i recraft my lariat with another stats? any suggestions for gem slots

[exotic mountain]

hey guys i need help deciding between icon and ring, i already have 408 icon but i still have cobalt ring, any insight?

[tired forge]

i mean i can target it but if ss isnt up i cant do anything else lol

[strong forum]

Ideally you want 1 person to focus on explosives to maximise dps gain across the group so nobody has to constantly think about hunting them except the assigned guy

[tired forge]

i pug

hah

[sick sentinel]

your conscecration n thunder clap wont kill explodes

[strong forum]

Tough choice, what are your other trinkets

[exotic mountain]

decoration of flame 415

[strong forum]

Surely you don't have just 1 trinket

[warm plinth]

VERS is not some super magical stat for us, is what was said.

[latent steppe]

oh my bad, vers

[warm plinth]

And no, you don't need to recraft anything. The comment made was mostly on your enchanting vers, which is silly.

[exotic mountain]

and icon 408 i mentioned before 😄

[strong forum]

Oh, yeah then pick ring

Not even a choice then

[exotic mountain]

sweet, thanks a lot

[sick sentinel]

its a very good stat for us, but the problem this is a dont atand in the fire game

[warm plinth]

I got 3 flavor pockets this week from feast

[sick sentinel]

lies you can get only one

[warm plinth]

🤔

[long stone]

Is using cobalt ring still the Go to? If i have Heroic on Farm ?

[sick sentinel]

whichmis why you ajve provided no screenshots

[warm plinth]

Well, I sold one already

[sick sentinel]

pics pr it didnt happen what im saying

im just bugging you

[sick sentinel]

ill buy one today

[warm plinth]

3 out of like 25 toons isn't bad

Decent odds

[solid depot]

New to tanking, looking to tank some dunegons mythics, what build to people prefer from teh pins? "General Purpose M+ Build" or "Imo the best Build for M+"

[sick sentinel]

last i checked market price is high 60s k gold

[warm plinth]

The latter, but I like bounding stride instead of titanic throw

[warm plinth]

72k atm

[sick sentinel]

69 was down to 67k yesterday

[mortal brook]

replace it with a 415 valor or 418 crafted yeah

[sick sentinel]

for me

[warm plinth]

Already sold one. 144k more coming when these sell

still got a few more toons to do I believe

[sick sentinel]

here is problem with titanic throw

[warm plinth]

4 more actually

[sick sentinel]

8 yards minimum

you MUST be 8 yards from target to do it

[warm plinth]

I mean, it's just heroic throw with more targets; it's a ranged threat tool

[sick sentinel]

yeah, but current design its useless

[warm plinth]

How is it useless? It does what it's designed to do.

[sick sentinel]

because, it doesnt have a use case

[solid depot]

yes i like the look of this and with the mobility of bounding stride, thanks

[warm plinth]

Anyway it is time for bed, 6:30am

GN folks

[marble cipher]

I mean, it has the same usecase as Heroic Throw, which is, pull mobs from ranged, or extra damage when you have to walk out of an aoe circle.
Is it a good talent? I'd say there's better for that 1 point you get to flex with.
But, it's usecase is the same as heroic throw, no need to say it's pointless, cause then heroic throw would be pointless too 😄

[sick sentinel]

what scenario are you going to be in that you need to hit 5 targets more than 8 yards away prbably keep aggro on more like,

[marble cipher]

very unlikely scenario outside of the start of a pull 🤷‍♂️

(or chaining pulls)

[sick sentinel]

good for start of pull maybe, we got shield charge for that is the best option ithink, followed by charge and herooc/titanic throw/taunt

[marble cipher]

shield charge is a total waste for a start of a pull though (if we're talking about using it to actually charge in)

[sick sentinel]

bed at 10, wake up at 6 30, play wow all day, this is part of the yogi way

[tired forge]

dad gamers unite

[sick sentinel]

i always find it so weird or unnerving or something, cringe even, if you will, some players on wow call me and other tanks weird names like "daddy or papa"

im not a fan

im not your dad kid

[tired forge]

ok daddy

[scenic vapor]

anyone have a talent list or link for mage tower for prot?

[quiet monolith]

First boss rlp at high keys feels like it's trucking magic damage

I can reflect one

But it's like chain casting big nukes

Is there something I'm missing ?

[inner hound]

nope, it just hurts. play spell block and use defensives wisely

[quiet monolith]

Word. I recently as I've gotten into higher keys been running spell block more and more

It's a small DPS loss honestly and kind of an amazing talent

Smbg skeletons, last pull tojs

Makes a lot of that stuff super easy

[inner hound]

yeah it's pretty much mandatory in temple. and worth the point in many others

[dusty summit]

120k on my realm, im not buying this, fuck my food.

[sick sentinel]

nope

food is nessecary to life

some at least

[eager phoenix]

you gotta eat a lot of feast to even break even when its 120k

i got one week 1 when they were sub 10k and used it on one craft. doubt i'd buy a new one if i ever craft it on another slot

[dusty summit]

Yeah.

[marble cipher]

it's quality of life, cause at these prices, you won't break even soon 😛

[jagged pier]

why eat a feast when u can use fortune cookies

[sick sentinel]

i got 3 them

used 1

[eager phoenix]

cant repop cookie mid m+

[sick sentinel]

sold 2 for 100k

so, i had to spend a wow token just now to get another one

buy a wow token, not spend it, but well..... i mean...., its not long before that gold is RIP in yogi hands

its kinda fucked up, i havent activated sub again, but i bought 2 wow tokens, wouldnt have had to (just this latest one) this past 2 weeks if i didnt get fire ring from weekly

[inner hound]

I feel you papi

[sick sentinel]

yeah, you are right, pocket spiked 5k since last night

orders are tanking like CRAZY in price

won't be surprised to see majority of these at around 100g flat in about a month

[heavy temple]

On ST, do you hold off on TC if you have a violent outburst proc until you can SS or?

Even in situations where you might have to wait 2/3 GCDs for SS?

[inner hound]

yes

you spend on revenge to proc SS reset and you will build new stacks while you wait

[marble cipher]

it's very annoying if you're out of rage at the same time though, but, it is what it is 😄

[inner hound]

not just annoying, that's a big misplay, you always need to be careful to pool some rage in single target

[heavy temple]

If running Barb Training and no exta rage, it can defo happen, or?

[marble cipher]

don't run barb training though

but yeah, it can happen

[inner hound]

yeah barbaric training is just not worth it because of this exact issue

of course it can and will happen in the heat of the moment, you just need to remind yourself that you made a mistake and not just think "oh well who cares"

[marble cipher]

I know I've made a mistake when that happens, mistake being, spammed revenge too much 🤣

[inner hound]

no, the mistake was spammed IP too much

unless you also had TC/SS off cd and pressed revenge

then you just made 2 mistakes

[sick sentinel]

i think im gunna stick with honed reflexes and concussive blows for little while, rest of week anyways

kicking spells seems giga important this week,

[marble cipher]

as it is every week tbf

[sick sentinel]

i've never tried those really, so it might be worth a shot

[quiet monolith]

Building on that, do you really t-clap in single Target at all? Even during Avatar window is it better to just be spending gcd on revenge to try and get more shield slam resets

[amber siren]

TC is guaranteed rage gen and can reset SS itself

[marble cipher]

and applies bleed, which in turn is dmg and rage gen

[jagged pier]

u are TCing and SSs only during avatar pretty much

[quiet monolith]

Aren't we always SS

[jagged pier]

yes but u have spare gcds

[sick sentinel]

fml, have to look up the spell id for concussive blows, so i can make a weak aura for it, as WA has no CB tracking premade one lol

[rough egret]

Im happy for druids, ToI buid looks fun 120apm gameplay 😄

[lime urchin]

What’s the difference between apm and cpm?

[rough egret]

Same imho

[lime urchin]

Ok then how on earth does one get 120cpm

[rough egret]

Ironfur is of gcd

Key is to bind it to mousewheel

Aparently 😄

[lime urchin]

Ah I see

[raven fjord]

Just got a 405 Blazebinder's hoof from a 19 key. Would it be a better combo with my grieftorch than the 402 decoration of flame, or should i continue with that ?

[lethal dagger]

Hey, is there a list with spells we can reflect in m+?

[rough egret]

It has tons of haste

[amber siren]

Yep big spreadsheet in the pins

[lime urchin]

Sim yoself brudda

[lethal dagger]

Thanks for the quick reply, appreciate it 🙂

[amber siren]

[raven fjord]

yeah just did, its a 500 dps increase swapping out the decoration, just wondering defensive wise if its worth 😛

[amber siren]

there's some talk about it being helpful for something like TJS for helping to cover the healing absorb

but otherwise not really

[vivid abyss]

guys is there a list of blockable / reflectable spells in M+?

[amber siren]

In pins

[vivid abyss]

thank you

[rough egret]

More haste, more rage, more IP, decoration will not save you 🙂 and you will kill enemy faster

[uneven mason]

All defensive trinkets are not worth the DPS loss

[raven fjord]

Hoof it is then! 😄

thx!

[scenic vapor]

am i crazy or is the mage tower for tanks is way harder than all of the other mage towers ? or do i just suck?

[glass robin]

If I should spend for one weapon enchantment... should I go for Frozen or Sophic Devotion? I do both Raid and M+

[rough egret]

Sophic

[glass robin]

And asking because I think it should be Sophic, but most of the prot warriors on WarcraftLogs have Frozen

[cyan lichen]

Can I have Lariat + Frostfirebelt + well fed bonus equiped at the same time?

[torn pebble]

well feed bonus doesn't count as embellishment so yes

[cyan lichen]

ou

ok, ty

[sick sentinel]

food bonus no embellishment, but it does cost 50-100k gold if u dont get as drop

[cyan lichen]

what do you mean? I am lost on this

[sick sentinel]

its BOE, can be sold on AH

can be traded

[cyan lichen]

where can I get a drop? or is it completly random?

[sick sentinel]

cooking event

[torn pebble]

this is what he means

not cheap

[sick sentinel]

u must be EU

[torn pebble]

yes sir

[sick sentinel]

my server food buff is 73k and rising

wow token 139k here

[torn pebble]

it was 85k+ before reset

248k token

[cyan lichen]

73100G right now

[sick sentinel]

yep, exactly what im seeing

[cyan lichen]

I need to do more community feasts then

ty

[lavish oracle]

My monk hit 70 yesterday and got a pocket out of the feast immediately

They just doubled the number of feasts though, so I'm sure prices will drop more as the week goes on

[sick sentinel]

im not proud of what i have done, but its done at least

also trying to get 5 more points in scrapper so i can get zapthrotlle and get earthen soul for epic BS hammer tool

[oak echo]

maybe, maybe not. the chances of getting the item haven't changed. every character still only gets 1 shot per week

so if it enables you to do it more times per week, then sure there's a higher chance, but most people i think that cared enough already did it on every alt every week

[sick sentinel]

would be very interesting to see a gathering style one of those cooking events

[lavish oracle]

See, I wouldn't do the feast on alts before because I didn't care enough to wait for the 4 hour window, now that it's an hour and a half, I can just kinda stumble onto it by accident

[sick sentinel]

its like, you go to an area and there is rock monsters you kill and they drop ore you can mine their bodies and ore spawns faster there, then big rock guy comes and you get some crap

same for flower

[lavish oracle]

Has anyone tried using the first pull of algethar for farming herbs?

[sick sentinel]

skinning can just be part of the hunts, you get double or triple and more of the better skins while in hunts

[plush tendon]

So I have a 421 Totem, Icon, and a 415 Whetstone. What goes for M+?

Or can I just wear 3 trinkets

[sick sentinel]

3 trinkets is illegal

stop right there criminal scum

[plush tendon]

prob good to note that I run with the same group of players and generally have multiple Icons in group

[sick sentinel]

if i have no icon, i never have to worry about it, but it is a a passive trinket....

[oak echo]

i think the ideal is still totem + whetstone no?

[eager phoenix]

could consider icon if othrs in the group have it, otherwise totem + whet

[plush tendon]

Yea, but if I have others using Icon, group benefit no?

[sick sentinel]

probably,, but i'm a bit weird like this, and i rate trinkets as passives and actives seperate lists

[ocean bloom]

i think whetstone 100%

[sick sentinel]

cuz its you can throw on 2 passive trinkets never worry about it, or have a button you have to press

[ocean bloom]

but icon vs totem is pretty up in the air

try them both and see how it goes i guess

[river plinth]

can anyone confirm if the spellblock talent has any effect on razageth's thunderous blast in her final phase?

[oak echo]

would you have all 3 roles or just like you and dps?

[plush tendon]

all 3

[sick sentinel]

if i have icon rn

[oak echo]

ahh

ya i think icon then

[sick sentinel]

im equip that with 408 totem

[jagged pier]

yes

[plush tendon]

is it Icon Totem or Icon Whet?

[oak echo]

i think icon whet

[sick sentinel]

and never ever look back, unles its LFR, normal icon would suit

[plush tendon]

the only shitty part about Whet is no prim stat

Ill probably have to play around with the setups a bit

[uncut helm]

Spell Block is insanely good for reducing that damage from Raz. Basically makes it free for that round with any other mitigation. At least in my experience.

What I don't know, is can spell block crit block? I imagine it just means your blocks in that window also mitigate spells so I would assume yes.

[dusky canopy]

When I’m running all totem/ whetstone

Usually get about 5-6% from whetstone

And combined 3-5% from all totem

[sick sentinel]

far as i am aware, all normal rules that apply to block, apply to spell block

[lofty widget]

it can

[strong forum]

you can substract ~3% from whetstone overall because of str vs mastery

[dusky canopy]

It is kinda bait

[sick sentinel]

you still have a chance to block spells if no SB up (why would you do this?, not question) have to face at mob doing it, have to have shield on

has to be a mainly at you spell like frost bolt, or thunder arc attack, hits you, but nearby as well

[dusky canopy]

This would explain why when I play with multi target patchwork sims hoof is usually always on top

I use these playing with sims, all totem/ rumbling / hoof / whetstone

[strong forum]

hoof also just translates better into aoe

cuz its a 20-30% str buff

whetstone doesnt translate that well into aoe

its better on ST than on aoe

[dusky canopy]

Hoof is massive, strength shoot’s up really high before hoof ends

I mean it’s in the text lol

“Stacking strength”

[sick sentinel]

what i will say about hoof is 2 minute cd vs 1 minute cd or 1 minute 30 cd

[dusky canopy]

I mean sims don’t really lie though that’s the thing

• I’m over 8k str with hoof equip it’s pretty big
  before on use effect

[sick sentinel]

blehh maybe im wrong, rest in my bags at least are 2 minute cds

yogi spouting misinformation agin

[daring marlin]

Got hoof outta my box but haven't done any keys yet this week to play with it

maybe this weekend!

[scarlet zinc]

How does intimidating shout work in m+ with the additional mobs do they actually run in fear or mainly just interrupt their casts

[daring marlin]

It's mostly for the extra stop

Can sneeze on them and the fear ends

[strong forum]

the fear gets broken instantly

[scarlet zinc]

Okay thanks which keys is it mostly taken or more so on group comp(I’m a fury but the fury chat mostly talks about sims lmao)

[strong forum]

depends entirely on you and your group

i run it 24/7 cuz its better to have and not need than to need and not have

[topaz field]

its quite good in AV but have to watch out because its target capped

[cosmic olive]

any big boy tank to do nokhud 21?

[oak echo]

ya i also use it in every dungeon. most of the rest of our group stops are stuns so i like having something not on stun dr

[stark jewel]

does this seem okay for a nokhud?

[quasi dagger]

not from the mage haha

[quiet monolith]

dude my overalls are like high 30's

you are pumping

[uneven mason]

Wtf the mage

[stark jewel]

I dont wanna talk about the mage

[oak echo]

that's about what i do in nokhud so i hope so lol

i love that pally is getting this but i love even more that the tooltip is copied verbatim from leap including the wrong spell name

[uneven mason]

Real dog of a mage

[placid rivet]

Nokhud overall is very dependant on keylvl for spellreflect dmg on second and lastboss+some trash

Hard to compare between different keylvls

[quasi dagger]

I just ran a nokhud 18 and finished with mid 50s. That being said, I have a 382 weapon and 389 shield cause I main fury and haven't gotten weapons yet

[slim dove]

nok is always inflated overalls

pulls are huge.

[oak echo]

ya especially 3rd boss area

[slim dove]

the boomie i play with ends around 110k

[runic oxide]

the screenshot is from an 18

[stark jewel]

yup its 18 nok

[hasty wraith]

It also heavily depends on your grp. The more coordinated you are the bigger pulls you can consistently pull off, which will increase damage quite a lot

[slim dove]

also dependent on affix lul

you can GIGA pull 3rd area on most weeks

like 4+ packs at a time

[stark jewel]

I tried not to overdo it, since it was a pug apart from my monk friend

I dont trust ppl to handle explo

[placid rivet]

Anyone know if avatar and/or demoshout affects Grieftorch dmg?

[slim dove]

they do not.

[hasty wraith]

With pugs it can be hard to do crazy big pulls, which will obviously affect your overall negatively

[woeful trellis]

It doesnt

[uneven mason]

I was in a 15 cos and the healer left when I pulled the first 4 packs at once, literally ran back down stairs and hearted....

[quasi dagger]

yeah, this week is rough on pug. I actually find bursting to be the big issue in pug nokhud. Have to go a bit slower for the healer to keep dps up

[uneven mason]

Wasn't this week that I did that for clarification hah

[stark jewel]

also quick question, which buff is the go to in algethar?

[slim dove]

haste

[stark jewel]

aight bet

I usually go crit

[uneven mason]

Haste, or troll and take crit

[stark jewel]

ok so I was a troller until now

ty guys

[quasi dagger]

I go vers cause I'm running 4%. Haste is a good default though

[uneven mason]

Crit slaps was kidding, I always go crit

[dire matrix]

even with 4% vers id go haste

ngl

[tender quartz]

Fuck the 21++ I did it with the Nokhud! https://i.imgur.com/zW0YlAY.png

My poor fingers 🥺

[dire matrix]

gonna try itf in aa

sounds fun

[tender quartz]

You didn't play iTF until now?

[dire matrix]

dont have enough haste

[tender quartz]

You're about to see a whole new ( veeery fun ) world

Oh!

[dire matrix]

35% haste is so hard to get

[tender quartz]

Huh+

Wait

[dire matrix]

you want 35% b4 u go itf

[tender quartz]

I'm on 31%

[dire matrix]

aa gives me the haste i need from the buff

[tender quartz]

And I went ITF on 27 already. It's fine.

[jagged pier]

no u want 40% haste regardless of talents

[tender quartz]

( dont take my advice im boosted )

What Jakey said I remember that number. But you barely feel the downtime

[dire matrix]

before you swap its 40%?

uh

the downtime is certain death

[tender quartz]

I mean I never bricked a key or died due to that.

[dire matrix]

saw so many people say 35%

:S

[tender quartz]

I bricked one Ruby once getting slammed by drake into the 2 pack 😂

And some... back hits....

Yea fuck people play and see for yourself?

Except Jakey.

And Nome.

They're dads.

[dire matrix]

getting autod by like tree boss no block up

or crawth big peck

nty

[lofty widget]

thats not blockable anyway

[tender quartz]

You don't need 100% SB Uptime to have it up for the right moments tho?

[fresh horizon]

Heya lads, didnt quite figure out if I want to train my Whelp to Haste or single target for m+?

[tender quartz]

eh do haste ( take that with a grain of salt ) i had it fully trained on aoe and singletarget

both were under 2.8% in multiple runs

415

I can't speak for Haste i am training that on 3/6 now

If you dont have anything else

[dire matrix]

first hit is

[lofty widget]

nop

[strong forum]

looks aight, what keylevel?

for an 18 thats decent ye

[quasi dagger]

how heavily are you guys using execute in m+. I feel like I under utilize it

[sick sentinel]

if you need to dump rage and you can hit execute, by all means

still doesn't hit for more than empowered SS tho

[dire matrix]

dont think i normally do 65k+ in no

but maybe i pull small

idk!

also never failed an NO due to the timer running out without wiping

so idk

itf is weird

[strong forum]

my highest in NO was 79k

21 tyr iirc

[dire matrix]

only did 1 NO last week i think

cant recall my dps

was a 24

[strong forum]

na was fort

[dire matrix]

was easily timed tho so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

ya timer on NO is relatively free

[quasi dagger]

NO is very dependent on affixes I feel. The size of pulls can make double pulls very scary on a bad week

[dire matrix]

not entirely sure that you need to risk double pulls

aside from some stuff in 3rd area

that makes sense

[slim dove]

NO fort week is decided if your group can kick elemental trash

thats all really

[strong forum]

3rd boss area is like 1 gigantic chain pull

[slim dove]

it is, and i love it

[dire matrix]

yeah until the 1 guy left is casting

and ur like fml

[quasi dagger]

my group likes to double pull the first pull with lust.

[dire matrix]

hes channeling for 15s

[slim dove]

healing begging for mana as im holding down W

[sick sentinel]

nokhud in my experiences is you wipe to the LET FLY trash, you die to the lightning boss, or you die to final boss, or fear trash

[dire matrix]

maybe i should be more aggro on 3rd area

but so many mobs are casters

hard to group

idk!

i chain the first area#

[stark jewel]

guys, I just had a bug in a 19 algethar where after you kill all the bird adds, the balls for boss dont spawn

[dire matrix]

if its just a horsey

[stark jewel]

anyone know how to prevent that

or is it just bad luck

[icy bane]

Mine are either the group doesn’t use stops on tempest trash, dies horribly. Or it’s gg free key +2

[icy bane]

I relog usually fixes it

[sick sentinel]

when healer says mana and you W anyway

[icy bane]

Obviously shit ton of time wasted tho

Bricked 22 academy because crawth bugs

[stark jewel]

thats what i thought, but is there any way to prevent it from happening in the first place? is there something that can soft lock it?

[dire matrix]

nope

not that we know of

[stark jewel]

for fucks sake man

well ty for the info guys

[icy bane]

Nope just some random mob being stuck somewhere

I’ve had it where the books in first boss area fall through floors, random birds just being in the ground or stuck on terrain. Key is just full of bugs lol

[modern brook]

Prevention unknown, resolution has generally been " drop combat some how"

[sick sentinel]

crawth trash bursting is gross this week without priest or healer with pulse

[dire matrix]

if its a high enough key logging in and out is a big depleto

[icy bane]

It is what it is

If you could just suicide off ledge be fine

[sick sentinel]

if we wipe on the very first pull of the key, im already considering leaving

doesn't matter what key it i

[hidden ether]

Anyone have advice for a 21 nok?

[errant leaf]

Range and reflect

[icy bane]

Use stops on tempest area, I usually lust first pull patrol with a pack near a harpoon gun, lust tempest trash near waterfall, then some random Giga pull in 3rd if it’s up

Think you lose the most time in 2nd area because people usually get smacked there the most

[hidden ether]

So no lust on bosses just on big trash pulls?

[hidden ether]

Just from missed kicks?

[icy bane]

Yeah kicks being missed or overlapped, mobs there just smack

Could potentially lust last boss but he isn’t very hard for prot and it’s not that bad of a fight

[quasi dagger]

I know last time we had bolstering it was a fort week and it was a bit tricky. Is it substantially easier on tyr week next week?

feels like next week might be a good push week

[dusky canopy]

Yo you lusting big pat with a harpoon? That’s wild

My pugs always fail when I try to do that

[sick sentinel]

fort 21 though

[dire matrix]

the chargers do too much dmg

[sick sentinel]

that pull is, i dont envy you

[slim dove]

yeah doing big pack + harpoon on fort weeks

[dire matrix]

if you double that your ranged are at a high risk of getting globalled

[slim dove]

asking your healer to leave lmao

[dire matrix]

the small pat + ballista sure

but big

no chance

[slim dove]

warspears are giga yikes

[dusky canopy]

Oh word small pat + ballista

Seems reasonable

Big pat is way to much party damage going out

Archers target the same guy and they gone

[quasi dagger]

I will almost never double pull in pug. Even in the AA tree room I go a bit slow. Pugs you don't time from too many deaths, not pulling a little slower

[sick sentinel]

if you can point shit out the group, use block, kick the only guy that rarely casts 1 spell, and stand on the ranged monster to get them all clumped for cleave, and you dont die

sure, go for it

[zealous kelp]

Hey any tips for the second pack of SBG I have 390 ilvl and they just clap me at +15

[sick sentinel]

should be this character that just sits there shooting bow

so you stand on or near it, and attack

[quasi dagger]

Make sure the summon isn't up before pulling

[sick sentinel]

your not geting the blue berry right

[quasi dagger]

if he's up when you pull, it's most likely a wipe or at least a really rough pull

[zealous kelp]

Yeah that must have been it is he on a timer or something after which he despawns?

[wraith hemlock]

Getting aa dispel is also very helpful. The buff the mob gets is very nasty

[sick sentinel]

i always focus this monster first its the closest monster that does the AOE thing that can wipe group

kill them off 1 at a time

[quasi dagger]

I think he rotates from one side to the other. Usually he will be spawned on the right so you go left if there hasn't been any delays

[sick sentinel]

yes, you wait for the blue berry, don't risk it

make sure hes good and gone away, dont want it to pull if possible

[zealous kelp]

Alright thanks for the tips

[strong forum]

pulling blueberry isnt necessarily bad

we did it in +20 where we practically boosted healer and 1 dps

[sick sentinel]

just extra work for healer is all, those guys are a bit nasty

[strong forum]

and it went fine, i just wasnt ready to lose healer instantly so i used my CDs a second too late but still survived

[turbid shuttle]

I thought it was unnecessary for count. I guess you can skip the patting caster after 1st boss instead.

[strong forum]

makes for a good lust pull

[sick sentinel]

i always pull that one

[strong forum]

skip first pack, then lust blueberry or not

[turbid shuttle]

In any case, if 1st pull doesn't take super long, you should be able to go left past the patting elemental in to the 4 pack and get no elemental there either

[quasi dagger]

At 390ilvl on a 15 with what I'm assuming is an unexperienced group, its better to not have him

[strong forum]

390 is pretty much perfect ilvl for 15s tho

but i guess in a pug

[timber forge]

raidbots are offline?

[strong forum]

no

[sick sentinel]

best is not to make any assumptions in my mind

i don't really know what a destruction warlock is, but hes on my side, probably, at least for now....

[timber forge]

its cool use decoration of flame trinket with avatar on macro?

[dire matrix]

was jay saying you need 40% haste before you go itf earlier

or something else

[quasi dagger]

I'm rocking almost 50% mastery while tanking like a champ haha

[dire matrix]

got 15% 😄

[quasi dagger]

it's a problem when you main one spec but play another often... I main fury which mastery is king. At least my haste is fairly high too

[strong forum]

they dont have the same CD but uh, sure

avatar doesnt affect the trinket

[timber forge]

thanks, drop on the raid but I never used before.. learning when its good

[dire matrix]

on cd basically

[strong forum]

just send it

its not a particularily good trinket, but better than nothing

[timber forge]

atm I have only 4 trinket; algethar puzzle box, idol of trampling hooves, decoration of flame and all-totem of the master... new character

[toxic pewter]

I want a grief torch

[timber forge]

looking for best combo

atm

[dire matrix]

all totem is bis

use

[strong forum]

idol + all-totem

[timber forge]

gotcha

[naive panther]

Is it possible to use that storm trinket as a tank in m+ without getting screwed? Have 418 windstone and just got heroic all totem and storm trinket in one day. And whetstone is top damage or second in m+ all totem doing 7% so 12 and 7 so all totem is pretty sick with the buffs. Can I survive a m+ run with storm trinket?

This is on my monk

[urban portal]

/cast last stand /cast storm

It’s that easy

[naive panther]

On war it does less than half that of my total

[strong forum]

wtf is storm

[toxic pewter]

What storm trinket are you talking about exactly

[strong forum]

boon?

[toxic pewter]

Dathea trinket?

[naive panther]

I dunno what it's called you turn into elemental

Got it in box

[strong forum]

its risky to use it, but you generally need to find the correct timing and ideally pair it with a heavy defensive aswell

[naive panther]

So pop cd and hope to live

[toxic pewter]

Boon scares me everything seems to go wrong when I press it

[strong forum]

you need to find the correct timings and positioning

especially on bosses

boon does loads of dmg in aoe, but can easily brick your run

[naive panther]

My rogue buddy died sbg final boss using it was funny

[strong forum]

yeah its borderline impossible to use on that boss

needs to be directly after wall died and malevolence cast

and have a ranged bait out the circle

[quasi dagger]

I'm personally liking the combination of big toe and whetstone. I'll probably replace big toe next week with the unlocking of valor cap but I'm liking having one on cooldown trinket for most pulls in m+

[abstract token]

ok dumb question

is there really not a 418, 421, 424 1h weapon?

[naive panther]

Big toe is nice. But all totem too good.

[quasi dagger]

go back to fury chat

🙂

[silent sky]

@abstract token crafted can be 418.

[toxic pewter]

No 424 1h weapon as far as I know

[abstract token]

shortly 🙂

[quasi dagger]

421 from vault proc I guess

[abstract token]

seems like strike twice would still probably be better since it has a proc?

[silent sky]

honestly not sure. it's probably pretty close

[abstract token]

does prot care about the stam from 415->418? was thinking about valoring my bags spec strike twice

[quasi dagger]

I mean I'm running around with a 382 weapon and shield and tanking 18s fine

[round pendant]

There do be kinda no excuse to have 382 wep/shield at that point

[silent sky]

there are plenty of excuses, just no good ones

[static helm]

Hey guys, just got heroic Spiteful Storm (411 ilvl) is it worth putting in? I'm currently going with 402 Decoration of Flame and 398 Granyth's Enduring Scale. Idk if I should prio high ilvl over great trinkets?

[quasi dagger]

why is that? I main fury and and have loot spec to arms for 2 handers? How do I get higher without getting lucky from mythics

[cinder storm]

Depleted a smb 22+2 because ritual smoke seemed curved for me and I took the dot, was able to +1 after but that smoke is sus

[quasi dagger]

not going to waste my sparks on an offspec

[round pendant]

"waste"?

[subtle sparrow]

I use Spiteful and it's about 4% of damage.

In M+

[round pendant]

They're infinite and I assume you've already crafted your gear for your mainspec

[strong forum]

next week valor will be uncapped

[subtle sparrow]

If that helps you

[static helm]

Sure it does, thank you!

[abstract token]

the visual is bugged

[static helm]

Will try it out!

[abstract token]

never strafe towards it early

[quasi dagger]

they are far from infinite. Some lucky people have gotten a few but most have gotten 0-1

[strong forum]

granyth scale is turbo trash

[sick sentinel]

giga boost for my ilvl

[strong forum]

spiteful storm actually does something

[sick sentinel]

spam run a bunch of 2's

[strong forum]

so play that

[static helm]

oh okay

[round pendant]

At least craft a decent shield if you're going to tank

thanks

[quasi dagger]

or don't group with me. I'm doing fine and will get weapons eventually

[silent sky]

"i tank 18s fine" meanwhile healer is twitching in the corner, traumatized

[subtle sparrow]

I'm getting a heart attack on the skellingtons in SBG on fortified

[quasi dagger]

I mean I'm still 410 even with the low ilvl weapons

[cinder storm]

Birds in crawth getting shadow fixed

[subtle sparrow]

Oh, you mean actual shadow?

I was like "They do shadow damage?"

[cinder storm]

No, you just can't pull the other packs anymore, they are neutral now

Have to kill one at a time fun detected

[subtle sparrow]

The wimpy non-elites?

Is it because of bursting and they won't remove the trigger on them?

[cinder storm]

No, you could pull them before doing the pack that's where the boss lands

Now they appear as neutral while flying

[silent sky]

watch them be broken and fail to transition to hostile when they "fix" it

calling it now

[sick sentinel]

thought i saw that

[subtle sparrow]

Never had this happen

[sick sentinel]

the part where you can puil birds early, didnt attempt

[cinder storm]

Because someone had to jump and aggro them

[sick sentinel]

those birds are gross, no good way to pull them

[abstract token]

weapon/shield are best slots for prot right?

So you're just kicking your own dick if you dont valor a 415?

[sick sentinel]

all my points go to shield currently gunna do weapon once uncapped valor

[dusky canopy]

Right or wrong my general valor plan if I needed it would be
Shield>weapon>socketed pieces> helm/chest/legs> bis trinkets

[cinder storm]

Sounds appropriate

[dusky canopy]

You can practically tank naked with a good shield

[craggy kelp]

ok so this is gonna sound funny/retarded but xd i saw like few days ago a video on tiktok some guy said thers a site where it guides u trough m+ in detail,whatat to pull where ct,any1 have any idea what site that is xd

[south plume]

How do i tank the last big pack of jade serpent on fortified?

[round pendant]

My friends' friend who does literally 7k dps (he's bad but not serious at all and high 24/7) got a fucking grieftorch

[dusky canopy]

Charge in shield block/spell block

[sick sentinel]

CC huanting

[dusky canopy]

Nah kick it

[violet flume]

last time i ddi jade serpent fort.. my group lusted on the last pull

felt very appropriate lmao

[cinder storm]

Charge, shockwave to sync claws, spell reflect, then spell block, rotate shield wall if you have aegis, once you run out of defensives, you have to kite

[round pendant]

yeah last pack lust is pog

[south plume]

thanks guys gonna do that

[dusky canopy]

Bubbles I haven’t attempted to but are you able to reflect all sync claws at once?

[round pendant]

yeah you can

I think??

[dusky canopy]

Oh that’s pretty pog if you can

[round pendant]

if you sync it right

[cinder storm]

If you sync them properly yes which is easy to do imo

[round pendant]

I think you shockwave them all after like 3-4s

[dusky canopy]

Nice nice so as long as they let us shockwave them on pull they should be synced

[cinder storm]

If you charge and backstep there's a chance one might stay back and that will cause a desync, normally once I get in the pack, I'll get almost inside the hitbox of the big guy so they group better then shockwave

[dusky canopy]

I’ll have to try that thanks for the tip

[unkempt imp]

So what's the deal with druid tanks why do they have such a bad rep right now their damage seems pretty good. Do they just fall over or something?

[dusky canopy]

Got a 21 tjs in the bags for tonight

[dusky canopy]

Yeah can’t survive

[round pendant]

Yeah basically, they have to be in range for them to cast claw on you, so if you stun them all and stay in range as they become unstunned it'll sync it up

I think that's how it works

[cinder storm]

Low magical mitigation but they are better now, just that the better players are playing with other tanks

[dusky canopy]

We’re the changes even “better” over in the bear club it seemed like they were largely disappointed?

[violet flume]

bring back mark of ursol for bears 😄

[uneven mason]

They literally just got massive buffs, druid came into the xpac dumpster fire in wheels tier

[craggy kelp]

what foods/buffs should i buy off market to use for m+s?

[slim dove]

so they fix the method to speed up the dungeon but dont fix the bug that robs you of 2-3 minutes

nice.

remove AA from rotation

[unkempt imp]

After this buff tho they are in a good spot?

[uneven mason]

Because for some reason they'd rather spend their time crying about how op warriors are than testing and providing constructive feedback to blizzard and actually testing the spec to provide concrete data

[spice axle]

Is there such thing as too much haste? I’m sitting at 33%(43 with into the fray)

[dusky canopy]

No way

[cinder storm]

All tanks are in a good spot and all tanks can time 21s-22s

[dusky canopy]

4billion % haste

Is the goal

[unkempt imp]

What abt from a raid perspective?

[uneven mason]

They've been in a good spot for a while, their damage is approaching ridiculous but the core issue of just bad design hasn't been taken care of

[dusky canopy]

That’s a very fair assessment I agree

[cinder storm]

But bear player base wants to see their streamers trash packs ad infinitum on a 26-27 while they do 15s

[uneven mason]

Like bears are on course to be the best tank in s2

[plush tendon]

never listen to Druid mains

[dusky canopy]

I mean I like my bear

[cinder storm]

This is the most balance tank patch I've ever played tho since bfa

[dusky canopy]

I don’t even play the moonfire build and I have fun with it

[plush tendon]

they always whining about something

[uneven mason]

Although paladins are getting mobility next patch

[dusky canopy]

A freakin leap

Insane

[oak echo]

we don't actually know that fwiw

it's just data mined

[plush tendon]

yea, but they are thinking of something

[oak echo]

and that abilitiy was copied to like 3 classes

[plush tendon]

its literally a copy pasta right now

[slim dove]

treat ret rework as alpha rn

nothing is set in stone.

[plush tendon]

what the final interation is will be interesting

[dusky canopy]

I’m cool with it paladin and DK suck to alt when you’re used to having movement

[oak echo]

yeah. they need it so either way it'll be nice

lol yeah

[plush tendon]

DK speed is a weakness, but their mobility provides interesting advantages that other classes dont have (min slow speed, no knockbacks etc.)

[slim dove]

paladin doesn't really need mobility outside of pvp.

[plush tendon]

Paladin horse is just.... worthless

[slim dove]

its fine to have differences between tanks

[plush tendon]

Paladins need something else

[dusky canopy]

No class “needs” mobility but it sure makes it more enjoyable, imo

[plush tendon]

Horse just aint it

[slim dove]

yeah and warrior would be more enjoyable with actual group utility 🤷

[dusky canopy]

I mean we proved stops and attack power

Pretty solid

[plush tendon]

we have fairly good util; not amaze balls, but lots of stops, rally, battle shout, intervene

[distant crystal]

wings of liberty looks like an april fools joke

[uneven mason]

Legit they're going to take leap away from warriors

[dusky canopy]

The riots

https://tenor.com/view/riot-south-park-chaos-chainsaw-protest-gif-20878334

[uneven mason]

"we felt in the interest of balance that charge provides sufficient mobility to warriors"

Also charge CD increased to 2 minutes

[rugged mural]

Anyone have some good Intervene tech beyond mobility for M+? I know during adds last boss in JS

[dusky canopy]

That individual will be fired if they do that

[slim dove]

fenryr scent of blood.

thats really it.

[dusky canopy]

[rugged mural]

You don’t get stomped as a tank doing that?

[dusky canopy]

Nah

[violet flume]

people take intervene? i love the skill but its not worth taking over other stuff imo

[dusky canopy]

We basically immortal my guy

Where you been?

[violet flume]

really wish we still had intervene and berserker rage as baseline

[dusky canopy]

I prefer taking rally over intervene in keys

[slim dove]

youd never not take rally.

[sick sentinel]

um

[violet flume]

ya rally is a must have

[abstract token]

why not? if u dont take intervene you hate fun

[violet flume]

intervene is just situational/fun

[dusky canopy]

I also can’t justify not having int shout

[cinder storm]

Druids in general whine about everything, healers whine about PI, tanks whine about other tanks, boomies whine about their rotation being complex and ferals accepted no one listens to them but still whine about tanks not letting them stealth bc of chainpulling

[dusky canopy]

Since it doesn’t get dr by all the dps stuns

[violet flume]

bro believe me i want to take intervene but there are way more significant talents down the tree

[sick sentinel]

you take intervene in hov and spiteful weeks

and its generally a good to have mobility spell

especially for thundering affix

[violet flume]

tbh bubbles i mained feral/guardian for a long time and warrior feels a lot more satisfying overall than bear anyways

[dusky canopy]

Idk what I would even drop for intervene tbh

[violet flume]

new druid tree suck you lost like 4 utility abilities compared to shadowlands

[sick sentinel]

usually pain and gain or bounding strike

intervene is pretty valuable if youre pugging

[violet flume]

guessing bounding stride is a good candidate to swap for intervene, but id say boundingis better

and feels better lol

lets just beg blizz to give us intervene and berserker rage baseline 😄