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silent anchor
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deffo a dps issue

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or healer issue

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if you pull it, you tank it

stoic rover
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We need the crafted belt to use diurnia ring right

sand mason
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P much

sick sentinel
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weird, my bombs daily craft has no timer and everything says i should be able to make them

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but cant

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and only now after relog shows 1 hr cd lol

cinder nova
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Not likely while they have separated economies for non-material goods.

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Also managed to get my 418 UFFB on the first craft. okayge

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Felt good to bang out a 418 without any effort or Recrafts.

waxen patrol
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Guys i still can't decide, i got an extra spark. What to craft? ring or boots? i can get court rings or azure vault one too

dense atlas
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It’s basically like we have account gold already

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With extra steps

lofty widget
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cant mail it cross servers

dense atlas
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Make it server wide then

cinder nova
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Non server-wide gold is a little toonish yeah.

waxen patrol
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boots are allt rash

steel belfry
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is it still advisable to be Fury for loot specialisation?

modern brook
sand mason
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I’m currently ~418 ilvl and now that I have most of the shit I want from my fury spec I’m not rolling Prot to try to replace my 418 shield

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Gonna be giga sad if I proc 3 defensive trinkets tho

strong forum
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there are only 2 from m+

craggy berry
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what is everyone socketing their lariat with? I assume we want to only use air gems?

round pendant
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I'm using Energized Ysemeralds

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dunno if they're the best tho

dense atlas
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Get you main stat gem obv

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Then sim it

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If you have more than 40% haste you don’t want any more haste

round pendant
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40% haste is pretty damn hard to reach

dense atlas
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It can happen

strong forum
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Gl with that

dense atlas
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If not yea just go haste vers

strong forum
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You need over 7k haste

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To reach the 40% DR threshold

dense atlas
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That’s wild lmao

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So you basically are always taking haste where you can

strong forum
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Yus

round pendant
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should I swap my tier gloves for goldsteel gloves huh

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since I'm 5/4 now

deft mortar
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Yall even sim

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Nome drop me ur patchwerk sim

mighty valley
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remember that ITF is flat % and doesn't count towards DR if that's coming up

deft mortar
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IM PUMPIN SOME PHATT DEEPS BROTHER

urban portal
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I thought you hated deeps

round pendant
urban portal
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Did you have a change of heart

round pendant
modern brook
round pendant
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cause of talents?

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oh, sim time

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40,701 with 5 mins sadge

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no weapon enchant also sadge

dire matrix
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game is scamers me

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no all-totem and we extend now

sick sentinel
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I feel like I lack enough keybinds for all my situational abilities

round pendant
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I use 1-6, ctrl+1-6, shift+1-6, alt+1-6, QERF, shift-QERF, ctrl-QERF

dusky canopy
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Damn I logged in M+ spec can’t post terros sim

round pendant
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and I have just enough for everything

deft mortar
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yam i think that was dungeon slice

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Or maybe multiple targets

sick sentinel
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My movement is on Q / E,
I use A, S, D for abilities.

round pendant
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My sim was 40 seconds, yours was 5 minutes

deft mortar
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ohh ait

round pendant
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I sim 4k less than you in 5 minutes

craggy berry
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thanks for the input

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😄

deft mortar
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That's roughly -10 ilvl diff too id says

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solid solid

round pendant
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Quick sim, patchwerk, 1 boss, 5 minutes, everything else default

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tbf I think that's all default anyway

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Dunno why mine was on 40 seconds

deft mortar
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My 40 sec sim is so wild

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Because 421 Puzzle xD

sick sentinel
round pendant
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They really love these shit affix combos

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dang

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them trinkets doing work

late saddle
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anyone know if you trained your ruby whelp for the trinket and get a new trinket if u have to train them again?

sick sentinel
round pendant
late saddle
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Alright cool ty

round pendant
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I really enjoy tyrannical tbh

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Just get non-shit teammates and it's fine

sick sentinel
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it was a a very good week to push, but, they were trolling

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it, just it didnt work blizzard

round pendant
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Dunno what's with all the salt about quaking either

sick sentinel
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player too smart, need better puzzle to kill us

round pendant
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barely had any trouble with it

sick sentinel
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quaking is only bad if you have a casting bar more than half of the time

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or are a healer

ionic roost
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Quaking can just suck if you're in an area denial zone, or are a caster in a ramp or healing during high damage output

sick sentinel
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How impactful is mastery as a stat and how hard should you be avoiding it if you can?

sick sentinel
ionic roost
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Quaking is also moderately more challenging with thundering existing

round pendant
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mastery is my highest stat sadga

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Part of why I'm considering getting rid of tier gloves for goldsteel

sick sentinel
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whats the most block chance % you can have un-buffed by SB or talents or any of that

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75% is i think

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and how much mastery is it i wonder, sorta curious what a 75% passive block talents and gear would look and play like

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no talent support for it

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there would have to be an additional talent or 2 to make it viable

dusky canopy
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Boys how do people put ——— through their edits

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Random I know lol

sick sentinel
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4/10 difficulty if on pc, 9/10 difficulty on phone

cloud umbra
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~

dusky canopy
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Oh it’s tilde

cloud umbra
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~ on each side

dusky canopy
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Tilde before and after?

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Word thank you! I was always curious

cloud umbra
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its actually double @dusky canopy ~~ on each side

dusky canopy
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You the goat thanks

cloud umbra
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lol np

timid thicket
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Managed to put first two mythic, got Mythic decoration and pants from council. Would you play decoration mythic over heroic whispering or heroic grieftorch?

Also probably not worth replacing 402 tier legs with 415 but losing 4 set?

sick sentinel
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why not take the 415 and make it tier

timid thicket
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Used my catalyst on a helm from the vault, so that would be for next week

sick sentinel
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Bro

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this week

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is so easy

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it almost cured my AA ptsd

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i hate AA

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(protip: if you pay atention, there isn't nuch i don't hate)

slow lake
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why do none of the warr specs take bitter immunity? isnt it a welcomed defensive to the class?

sick sentinel
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cuz you can just have healers to dispel for you

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its because, its too many talents that arent connected to other good dps talents

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theres really no reason to take a 3min cd dispel when healers are like 8s cd

slow lake
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dispel + heal sounds pretty neat

sick sentinel
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yea its not

slow lake
sick sentinel
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still not lol

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3min cd is way too long

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for what it does

sick sentinel
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but it wouldn't single handedly save it

rough egret
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If it remove bleed then it will be considered

sick sentinel
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it used to then it didnt

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yes, but also 3 minutes CD

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and now im stuck in dwarf

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so fucking ugly

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i cant

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vs 8s cd, and mass dispell

uneven mason
rough egret
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Shieldmaiden?

sick sentinel
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mostly crawth and a bunch of random bleeds here and there

rough egret
sick sentinel
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stone form is way too op

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akin to arcane torrent in legion

uneven mason
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Ae silence

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Yum

sick sentinel
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so its like

uneven mason
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MDI in legion, also known as "4 blood elves and a druid"

sick sentinel
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why would you do this

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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for this

uneven mason
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Not take bounding?

rough egret
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Im playin BS

sick sentinel
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BOSW over fucking powered when used correctly on other playters

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when you can just have

rough egret
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Zoom zoom

uneven mason
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Literally don't have either of those

sick sentinel
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this is why BI = dead

slow lake
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makes sense ty @sick sentinel

uneven mason
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I embrace true warrior spirit

sick sentinel
mighty valley
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they could give dwarves a 50% dps buff and i still wouldn't want to hear their fake ass scottish accents all day

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or be short

sick sentinel
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you can mute the sfx but

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you cant mute that ugly ass model

rough egret
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😦

unborn forge
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This week rout for Azure vault? are you guys skipping Frogs and friends?

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route*

dusky canopy
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DWARF BiS

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dunno what yall talkin bout

sick sentinel
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0%

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you can have the best looking set in game and put it on dwarf

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its gonna look like a trashcan

uneven mason
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Betting Humble only plays female elves

sick sentinel
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?

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whats wrong with that

gritty bane
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according to wow head this is the single target raid build to use. so i assume this is what we use on razzageth. is this still correct?

scenic mural
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Bloodsurge over instigate is not correct in ST

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Nor is HR over ITF, especially if running bolster

gritty bane
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HR and itf?

urban bane
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heavy repercussions / into the fray.

strong forum
gleaming cloak
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Vulpera for life catjam

lusty tiger
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nothing will ever beat female nightelves

uneven mason
uneven mason
lusty tiger
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wowhead guide has some issues

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lady orc is #2

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then male troll warrior

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then female drenai hybrid classes

signal ivy
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What do yall things the better strat to time 20 azure. jumping down and geting percent early? W the dungeon and hope for the best. Or skip frog packs?

strong forum
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Both work just fine if you don't troll

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I've done both routes last week

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And timed it just fine

signal ivy
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This week though with trash being affix. What would you choose if you ahd to

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Its my weakest dungeon

strong forum
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I found skip route more enjoyable, but alot riskier

urban bane
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for me it'd prolly depend on comp and how much you trust dps to control crystal dudes. also how much they'll be impacted by froogies jumpin' around and shit

topaz drift
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always nice when the risky pull is at the start not end of dungeon at least

mighty valley
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if your dps can stay focused, you can pull the frogs but ignore them and move on to the next room when the big guys are dead

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they jump around and do nothing, dying slowly to cleave and dots

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but the screen gets chaotic and some dps panic and become Bad

strong forum
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I just started mega chaining once the big guy was dead

warm plinth
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Why does my name need to be explained? Isn't it obvious?

mighty valley
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I've never seen a clearer name in my life

cinder storm
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Except for a dog with a hat

strong forum
sick sentinel
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accurate profile pic ngl

strong forum
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Looks awesome if you ask me

warm plinth
sick sentinel
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no

strong forum
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Enchants don't work on it

urban bane
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legion flail is more exclusive too, fwiw.

cloud umbra
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wait what

warm plinth
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why do you need an enchant illusion on it; it already looks awesome

strong forum
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Its too small

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Doesn't look good

warm plinth
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Though, a lot of people have the legion weapons that probably can't do the current or SL mage towers because the Legion one didn't scale you

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Like I did the arms and ret challenges in Legion despite never having played the specs until the 10 mins I spent setting them up for the challenge lol

strong forum
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Lemme ask you this @sick sentinel do you think male bloodelves look gay?

sick sentinel
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yes

strong forum
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Yeah makes sense

urban bane
strong forum
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12yo opinion detected

sick sentinel
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i wish i was 12

warm plinth
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Blood elves suck because they're elves

lusty tiger
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Well

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They lookin like David Bowie

warm plinth
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The only positive thing blood elves have going for them is the female stealth animation.

sick sentinel
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bro

lusty tiger
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But maybe the tight pants are more accepted over there by nome

strong forum
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Just don't wear tight pants

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Lol

sick sentinel
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if you genuinely think dwarfs look nice then all powers to you

warm plinth
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They even got a less cool version of the flip

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😦

lusty tiger
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Dwarves have very cool sets

warm plinth
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That being said, night elves also suck so

lusty tiger
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But male blood elves look very cringe

warm plinth
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Wait, why

sick sentinel
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alot of times its not the look per se

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its the animation

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be male be lookin like hes slapping some other guy's ass in a sexual way

warm plinth
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The only toons I have that are elves besides my rogue are horde DHs keksquad

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Er, well, I guess my alliance DH too

lusty tiger
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My alli DH is 2d waifu material

warm plinth
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There's some not-so-latent homophobia going on in this chat

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It's 2023 folks

urban bane
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wtf

sick sentinel
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huh

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im just saying

urban bane
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"slapping some other guy's ass in a sexual way"

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like that's a bad thing

sick sentinel
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im not saying its morally wrong

lusty tiger
strong forum
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Slapping some dude ass is as manly as it gets

lusty tiger
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Only if you’re both naked

warm plinth
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Have you guys never watched sports? Those dudes slap each others' asses all the time

small warren
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Hey guys can you all help with Mythic Sennarth pulls - im mainly looking for general tips. It looks like after 4-5 stacks of web blast I am either dying real fast or rotting to the dmg. Is it just about popping cds at right times?

strong forum
small warren
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yeah not sure why it doesnt, also, the spell says it isnt blockable not sure if its the initial dmg or the dot itself

strong forum
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If you don't have SB up, use SW

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Web blast is blockable

small warren
odd tree
small warren
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I should have shield block up though

sick sentinel
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hey all im saying is if you jump like that and swing weapons like that

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im gonna do a double take on your sexuality

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thats all

pastel sleet
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What embellishments should i am for

strong forum
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Whatever you like, they don't have large impact

strong forum
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Lariat is the most flexible as you can choose your stats

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Rest is w/e

warm plinth
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Other one is probably old or something

small warren
warm plinth
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That I can't answer, but sounds like that's what Nome was saying

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I haven't done the fight. I was just looking at the spell ID in the logs

ocean bloom
small warren
strong forum
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If you are in trouble with only 5 stacks something is going wrong

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Cuz you need to comfortably go until 8

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iirc

small warren
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hmmm that is weird

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On mythic? 8 stacks?

small warren
strong forum
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Hm looks only like 4/5

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When checking logs

ocean bloom
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yeah the tank dmg is pretty light there for prot war. as long as you maintain SB and dont get hit in the back

small warren
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I go up with ranged while the other tank stays down, when I am on the second platform, I taunt and seems like I insta die when I do, it is so weird

last nova
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Please 😄

ocean bloom
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but in dmg taken you can hover it and it will show you "blocked hits" seperate from hits

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but yes as you see here if you dont block it it will hit you for 400k so just block 🙂

sick sentinel
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16s soon maybe

solemn island
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Hello friends , i have a question. 418 crafted wep vs 415 mythic council wep with leech . Sims say i lose ~500dps in AOE (5 targets 2 minutes). Is it worth taking the leech (+some extra vers)?

ocean bloom
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ilvl better, the extra leech will never make or break you surviving

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and its probably worse defensivly when you take into account the mainstat/armor difference

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even with the leech gain

urban portal
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To be fair the main stat on a 1h weapon is pretty tiny

vestal lintel
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Rumbling Ruby or All-Totem for M+?

urban portal
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Totem

sick sentinel
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totem is gross mythic +

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not so much raid

ocean bloom
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gross in a good way

vestal lintel
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haha was wondering

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tyty

sand kettle
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are you guys running sidearm in m+? seems kinda low value node

last nova
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side arm sucks bro

sand kettle
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aight cya later 🐶 talent

last nova
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it does shitty damage to mobs with 5m health

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might aswell pick a talent that does something more useful

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than tickle damage

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if they buffed the proc rate and damage i think it could be decent at best

lusty tiger
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🤔

small warren
lusty tiger
slender eagle
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best wep enchant for 20+ keys?

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stay on frozen devo

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or change to sophic?

lusty tiger
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Sophic is a nice all rounder

slender eagle
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ok

sick sentinel
small warren
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guess the question is, should I be blocking more? and if that is a problem I am having with not having SB up ?

ocean bloom
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according to this you just didnt have SB up for these hits, looks like you taunt and your SB falls

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yeah you IP and stuff without having SB up

small warren
ocean bloom
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yes

small warren
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alright awesome, thanks for helping me figure that out man, helps a ton

ocean bloom
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you should have SB up 100% never let it fall, you are using Heavy Reprecussions so its really easy to maintain the uptime

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thats my uptime from a kill a few weeks ago

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Grab a WA that shows when its up and make it flash annoying as fuck when its down and you are not in combat

edgy bone
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Is anyone here 3000io or 2900?

sand mason
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Im 2870

edgy bone
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@sand mason what was one thing you started doing more fluently to make the jump from 2770, to 2870

sand mason
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routes and setting up my dps for success

sick sentinel
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installing plater and tweaking with aggro colors and downloading a profile to show helped me alot so far

forest tulip
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Fortified week feels harder on Prot than it does Vengeance.

compact tapir
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Fort weeks with Magic tankbusters are fun

sick sentinel
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to show, problem monsters in a dungeon, faster, cuz it turns their nameplates purple

cinder storm
warm plinth
forest tulip
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I dunno. Maybe I'm just better at Veng than I am Prot.

sick sentinel
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Anyone got a good talent tree for pve prot and pvp fury

edgy bone
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@compact tapir which dungeons in specific have magic tankbusters

warm plinth
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#pvp for the latter probably

sick sentinel
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blocking stuff, etc

compact tapir
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SBG, TJS, just on the trash, i.e. Void Slash, Dark Claw etc

forest tulip
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You know, you're probably not wrong.

warm plinth
sick sentinel
warm plinth
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Just click the link and you will see an image XD

deft mortar
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this week ez asf

sick sentinel
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Which link there's alot

deft mortar
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Timed RLP with extra min

sick sentinel
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Nvm

warm plinth
deft mortar
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Only did 50k overall tho

forest tulip
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I do my best to interrupt, keep mobs faced away. I try to keep mobs in front of me, shield block and IP up 100% and avoid the swirlies but it's still rough

sick sentinel
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found it

warm plinth
warm plinth
sick sentinel
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finally starting to get somewhere

compact tapir
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Nice job 😄

cinder storm
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I timed a 20 rlp Tyr +2 last week, was a nice redemption from a few weeks prior

deft mortar
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lmao ye im not +2s Tyra RLP

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fkn dungeon is hard every week

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Gonna ez stomp Nokhud 21 later

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Legit 0 challenge in Fortified Nokhud kekw

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Tyra atleast 2nd boss is troublesome sometimes

hardy snow
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what is average uptime on sophic devotion on ST?

sick sentinel
urban portal
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Sim can tell you that

cinder storm
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That dungeon is only as hard as your group make it to be tbf, the less people understand what to stop and do, the harder it gets

deft mortar
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Bolstering fades brother

lusty tiger
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RLP is kinda stressful compared to the other dungeons- a lot of mechanics are rng

deft mortar
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Just pull the next pack xd

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cc it or smth

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Nokhud would hurt raging tho

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ngl

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I mean fortfied raging

compact tapir
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Wish I could find a group I could communicate that to lol, been pugging, pugs don't do well with bolster

sick sentinel
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nohkud raging bolstering fort

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+28

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have fun

lusty tiger
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Yea I time that in my sleep

deft mortar
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I had some good pugs with bolster ngl

sick sentinel
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some pugs understand bolster, some dont

compact tapir
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I had 0 luck with pugs

fast knot
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I either get giga pumpers or people I assume bought their keys

sick sentinel
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bolster can be very painful though

fast knot
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literally zero in between

deft mortar
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is there an achi for 3k M+ score

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Or completing all 8 at 20

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If not, why wouldn't there be one

compact tapir
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You get portals for timing 20s

undone verge
# small warren okay so that is a major issue then

The question is what we’re you doing when you died, because I’ve had shield block fall on sennarth when you have to take the gateway and the boss is out of range so you can’t generate enough rage to pop it, that’s an easier fix than dropping SB

deft mortar
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ye they are good

deft mortar
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lmao 1 sec

compact tapir
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lol

fast knot
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Never any doubt wicked

sick sentinel
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ohhh, well, this probably will be poor, to you guys at least, but i'll see if i can log it

lusty tiger
warm plinth
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I did a very interesting AV route in a 12 last night that I was just doing for easy weekly quest dungeons

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It was also interesting because I don't think the healer killed a single explosive lol

sick sentinel
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early spoilers, my rage for 15 aa

warm plinth
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Looks pretty good

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What is that line going through the bottom of it

sick sentinel
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SB still low, 79%

small warren
warm plinth
sick sentinel
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uptime, blocked is 66%

warm plinth
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Oh no

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That's no bueno yogi

sick sentinel
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ive had other keys where is been 90% SB uptime

warm plinth
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It sounds like you could benefit from a more obvious weakaura for it

small warren
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Wait there is a wa shows your SB uptime?

warm plinth
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And probably watching your rage a bit more carefully. Spiking that hard and not having good uptime on Shield Block probably means you're overspending and end up not having the rage to cast it.

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No, he's looking at logs.

small warren
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Ah ok

warm plinth
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I was referring to a more obvious WA to track his shield block CD and whether it's active or not

cloud umbra
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is it me or is shocking disclosure just a better pot for m+?

warm plinth
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I find sound cues to be very helpful

undone verge
sick sentinel
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hmm

small warren
warm plinth
# sick sentinel hmm

Like as an example, on my rogue I made a weakaura that checks if Blade Flurry is off CD and then when it has 2 seconds left on the duration, it says "idiot" to remind me to press it lol

sick sentinel
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how many times do you cast SB in a normal key

warm plinth
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Not really a good way to answer that. As many as is necessary.

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A longer key obviously means more presses

undone verge
sick sentinel
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should do what, 50, 75 100

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average key

warm plinth
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I don't even look at that so I wouldn't know. I just press it

sick sentinel
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apparently i'm not, so i'm after a way to fix it maybe?

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hopefully!

small warren
warm plinth
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In a 31 minute AA +12 (which I wasn't perfect on, 89% blocked hits), I pressed it 112 times

small warren
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Bunch of things can effect the button press like longer duration shield slam etc

last nova
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How's the affixs this week for tanking, Can i pull everything or am I gonna die?

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been at work all day so I dunno

sick sentinel
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if possible, bring a priest

small warren
sick sentinel
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but, any good healer will manage

warm plinth
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Just gonna leave out mistweaver and prevoker I see 😢

sick sentinel
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i mean, literal bis mechanics, they dont have mass dispell

last nova
sick sentinel
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mass dispell high target cap on a low cd

last nova
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and what does it dispel?

urban portal
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Bursting

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Who cares tho

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Play a spec that can heal through it

robust lark
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gottem

last nova
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bursting is easy or diificult to manage?

sick sentinel
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its a healer thing

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and dps

lean ember
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Can anyone else with the Jeweled Signet of Malandrus test to see if it's lowering their damaging abilities and not raising it, or if its just mine. With the rings on and naked besides weapon/shield I am hitting for less with the ring on by the amount shown (tooltips reflect it)

last nova
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lets say if i Yolo and pull mega packs is that going to be a problem this week?

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last week it was bolstering so i was pulling slow

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well technically...

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😄

#

it's been both

paper herald
#

Pull mega packs and watch your whole team get deleted by explosives.

last nova
#

ok so explosives is the issue this week?

sick sentinel
vale escarp
#

More like Explosives + Trashmobs casts that focus DDs

last nova
#

is this week easy for pushing keys?

compact tapir
mighty valley
#

how would you "feel" the difference

lean ember
#

it's not just auto attacks it effects all weapon based abilities such as shield slam and thunderclap

#

On a target dummy my shield slams are hitting harder without the ring

warm plinth
last nova
#

i'm doing like 18-19

#

my M+ rating is 2354

warm plinth
last nova
#

so i'm chasing the last bit of rating for 2400

warm plinth
#

It's strictly auto attack damage now

#

So the two biggest impacts on bursting week is your DPS and your healer

#

Healers should be able to heal 4ish stacks pretty comfortably if they're being proactive and preparing for it. But the problem comes when DPS turn their brains off and roll stacks

mighty valley
#

do you know a healer who's comfortable with explosives? do you have dps who can stop pressing buttons for a second or two? if the answer to both is yes, it's a pretty straightforward week

last nova
#

ok i'm asking because curious about the pacing

warm plinth
#

Like if you're killing 4 mobs at basically the same time, then it's a 4 second DoT of 4 stacks

compact tapir
warm plinth
#

But if you're doing like 2 then 3 then 4 then 5, it's resetting each time so you're getting more ticks and it's getting stronger each time

vale escarp
#

Massdispell also works If you got a priest as heal

warm plinth
#

I mean, it's what, 150 damage at 415 ilevel?

#

It's not going to be a huge difference, but it's a free difference and it has great stats.

#

And melees are a large part of our damage

compact tapir
#

I was merely testing for Jp, I'm not claiming anything

warm plinth
#

Around ~10%

vale escarp
#

Btw for how much crit should I aim?

mighty valley
#

autoattacks already have a pretty wide variance, so you're not really going to notice much just whacking a training dummy

last nova
#

my weakest dungeon is RLP +14 not timed, this week gonna be good for this?

warm plinth
#

We don't aim for any percentages. Just get ilevel, get haste, then whatever

mighty valley
last nova
#

i did that during bolstering and storming week, I know RLP in general is a tough dungeon for many so having bolstering on top of it, might have made it harder than it should have been.

mighty valley
#

you generally want to focus fire most of the dangerous mobs in rlp anyway

#

yes, bolstering is harder for sure

last nova
#

i need to find 46 rating from somewhere this week for my 2400 mythic rating, i am so close

#

next week gonna farm valor for get everything to 415

#

i don't get invites to SBG 20

#

even though i ran like 40+ 16-19 SBG keys consecutively for 4 days straight when i was farming primals

#

i know the dungeon super well

#

two * easy

#

but it's my M+ rating i suspect

#

I have never done a +20 key

#

but i'm on the cusp of that

craggy kelp
#

so why do our bis gloves give crit + mastery?

last nova
#

BiS gloves are the ones from SBG isn't it?

#

crit haste?

craggy kelp
#

isnt 4 set peice our bis?

oak echo
craggy kelp
#

nothign makes sense

#

earlier today was talking here with ppl,,they told me to use cata on my gloves instead of chest

warm plinth
# craggy kelp so why do our bis gloves give crit + mastery?

They're not "bis" in the sense that the stats are great. You need 4 pieces of tier and gloves are preferable over the chest because the chest also doesn't have haste, and it's higher stat budget, so replacing that chest with a haste item is a bigger increase than replacing the gloves with a haste item.

#

The stats aren't bad though either, to be clear. None of our stats are bad. Just mastery happens to be the worst, relatively.

craggy kelp
#

okie

tight dawn
#

Question - If I have broodkeeper's ring from raid, what am I relying on to proc the shield? Is frostfire belt my only option?

mighty valley
#

The only consistent one

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

i have 1 spare catalyst atm

last plume
#

So I came back to Dragonflight and crafted the wrong belt. How much worse is a belt with Armor Spikes vs the Unstable Frostfire Belt?

Are my friends doing the right thing by bullying me about it?

sick sentinel
#

cuz i have nothing good at all to spend it on

silver vessel
#

is catalyst only usable on this tier?

warm plinth
silver vessel
#

i feel like 1 charge per week is insanely generous haha

sick sentinel
#

wrist, belts, cloaks also

#

feet

#

u cant do trinkets, cant do rings cant do neck, cant do crafted to whatever

warm plinth
silver vessel
warm plinth
#

No, the charges will 99% reset

#

Gotta leave that 1% for blizzard consistency

mighty valley
#

pretty low value on zapping non-tier slots other than transmog and mild stat optimizations on some slot

silver vessel
#

oh.. so basically just use it on even small upgrades?

warm plinth
#

Yeah I converted a belt on my rogue yesterday because it was crit/vers instead of crit/mastery

silver vessel
#

like if i can upgrade my 398 helm to a 402 helm, might as well?

mighty valley
#

once you've got 4p, just use it on random big vault items you get to keep your tier bonuses

warm plinth
#

Wait, that's not a catalyst though, that's a valor upgrade 🤔

sick sentinel
#

i just have nothing ilvl enough upgrade to warrant blasting my catalyst

warm plinth
#

Catalyst doesn't change ilevel of anything

mighty valley
#

i mean, it's up to you how often you get gear upgrades compared to your one charge a week

silver vessel
#

ye

warm plinth
#

Oh

#

I mean, you might as well if you already have the tier bonuses

silver vessel
#

you can continue to upgrade once you slam it

#

yep

warm plinth
#

It does retain the upgrade track, yes

mighty valley
#

retains upgrade tracks, tertiaries, sockets etc

warm plinth
#

The only thing it doesn't retain is gems (the socket stays but it eats the gem)

sick sentinel
#

do i spend a 405 token each time

silver vessel
#

yeah im 405 now, and just starting to push higher M+s, but i have a couple lower items

sick sentinel
#

each time i recraft

silver vessel
#

no

tight dawn
#

Spellbane Cutlass vs Strike Twice?

warm plinth
mighty valley
sick sentinel
#

oh, cuz it still lists it in the thing to the right

warm plinth
#

Yes it's just showing that it's keeping it

sick sentinel
#

as optional add, i just dont re-craft self alot yet

#

or work order

warm plinth
#

It shows what you already had on it

silver vessel
mighty valley
warm plinth
#

You can change those reagents when you recraft, which is why those spots show

silver vessel
#

do you guys buy the 'food persist through death' 'embellishment'?

#

that shit is so expensive

sick sentinel
#

i want to put new food buff on boots

warm plinth
#

I'm not paying 75k for that shit

sick sentinel
#

i think boots are a safer target for RNG really good bis drops

silver vessel
warm plinth
#

Community feast weekly

silver vessel
#

is that for the pattern? or the actually item?

warm plinth
#

It's a possible drop in the soup pot or whatever you get from the quest

#

It's for the item. It's not craftable.

sick sentinel
#

i had 3 of them

#

sold 2

warm plinth
#

You can do the community feast on any character that's 60+

silver vessel
#

oh.. hmm maybe ill keep doing feast then.. that event is so boring haha

warm plinth
#

So I do it on 28 toons every week

sick sentinel
#

its down to 68k last i saw today

silver vessel
#

im a gold hoarder, its hard on me to spend kekw

warm plinth
#

lol

silver vessel
#

and im not great at making gold, so i only have about 1mil

warm plinth
#

It's not time consuming at all. With all the changes they've made to the feast, I literally completed a toon in 32 seconds last night.

#

Usually do like 7-8 toons per feast

silver vessel
#

i only have 3x 70s

warm plinth
#

Do you have any 60+?

silver vessel
#

one 60

warm plinth
#

You can do it on him too

silver vessel
#

but not even in dragon isles

warm plinth
#

You can take the portal there

#

And just fly

#

No need to do the intro or anything

silver vessel
#

oh cool ill do that

#

just park that mf next to soup

sick sentinel
#

so, if i buy a wow token, its gunna be 75k for the boots and then about 10k for recraft

warm plinth
#

Yep most of my alts are just camped there

#

I would do more but the rest of my toons are on other realms

#

So no point

silver vessel
#

yeah one of my 70s is on a diff realm

craggy kelp
#

should i upg then this 1?

silver vessel
#

3/4 of my toons are on stormreaver, low pop haha

#

then 2 on illidan

#

one is only level 40, working on a brewmaster now

warm plinth
#

I would keep that chest, not convert it

#

It's great stats

silver vessel
#

more haste than crit, and haste+crit, both great

#

just to use as 5th piece

#

use other 4 for 4pc

warm plinth
#

So it's just as fast with high pop as low pop

craggy kelp
#

i mean,i dont see which other is better in m+ that drops

sick sentinel
#

teleport ring results today, tol borad

silver vessel
#

and i mine/herb

warm plinth
#

Yeah true

#

I also mine/herb

silver vessel
#

but i do want a character that i actually use on a high pop.. idk why

#

if i ever feel the urge to farm world drops or something, they'd go faster on a high pop

sick sentinel
#

any race that says it has deftness to that gathering skill is BIS best experience possible for gathering

silver vessel
#

i avoid deftness in the trees

#

i want that phat lewt

sick sentinel
#

i don't think you understand

warm plinth
#

I mean, it's nice to have but it's not required

silver vessel
#

deftness feels really nice

#

but it doesn't give me more stuff

warm plinth
#

The races that have it give 25% deftness which is pretty huge

sick sentinel
#

go make high mountain tauren, give it some green gear, go try mining now

#

you will never want to mine on not that guy again

silver vessel
#

i have a HMT druid that i mine on

#

but i never play it haha

#

not loving druid

warm plinth
#

But yeah I avoid deftness generally. I go for skill/perception/finesse

silver vessel
#

I don't know how to heal... I tank, and Gdruid just ass compared to prot

sick sentinel
#

depends if its gathering or crafting

#

i take different stats for each

silver vessel
#

timed my first +18 today, been stuck on 15/16 and missing time on most of them until recently

#

ye i know im bad, but im improving!

#

would love to get 20s on each this season

forest tulip
#

at what m+ do you all start being more picky about who you invite

cold trench
#

depends on the dj tbh

silver vessel
#

i dont care about meta but i do care about what i have on each dungeon

sick sentinel
#

i wish more , preferably 75% of races got a profession bonus

silver vessel
#

some dungeons you can run 3 ranged dps.. some you really need more interrupts

#

do you guys just kite the skeletons in SBG or is there some other way to make them not destroy you

forest tulip
#

i appreciate people who mark prio mobs so much. i know a few of them but still

silver vessel
#

i gotta set some hotkeys for marking.. i set some focus macros yesterday for pummel

cold trench
#

fortunately when you get to higher keys people seem to know the prio. Good thing to mark for interrupt tho

silver vessel
#

set focus / kick focus

#

what do you classify as 'higher'?

#

16+? 20+?

cold trench
#

that's not a given tho. did a sbg earlier and I don't think we finished a spider pack without a cast finishing 😢

#

depends on if you do m+ a lot I guess

#

everything under 18-19 is kinda brainless

silver vessel
#

i feel like im starting to find the better players above 16 now

#

not all of them, thats for sure

#

but a lot really know how to pump dps AND interrupt/do affixes properly

#

before it was just people tunneling dps and getting killed by mechanics of fights

dusty bear
#

I tried to tank a tjs 18

#

"I tried"

slim dove
#

sub 20s it was fine

#

now pugging 21s and 22s? absolute crapshoot

dusty bear
#

Agree

#

21 is okay except hov and av

cold trench
#

I think I've finished all keys on 19 in both tyra and fortified

silver vessel
#

as long as kicks are in order, TJS on fort week should be ok?

cold trench
#

but 20 meh

dusty bear
#

22 problems start to appear

cold trench
#

it seems like such a step up

slim dove
#

20+ fort panda's are cringe

silver vessel
slim dove
#

invis pot or cloak

dusty bear
#

And take spell block :)))

silver vessel
#

the last pull in TJS is a shitshow

slim dove
#

its fine

silver vessel
#

but other than that, its not so bad

slim dove
#

pull with ravager to sync dark claws

#

reflect first batch

#

spell block + wall second

deft mortar
#

Its on chest slot so nah

slim dove
#

shockwave 3rd

#

fear 4th

#

gg pulls over.

deft mortar
#

Dang I was behind in chat

dusty bear
#

Guys how do you aggro after being cr?

deft mortar
#

Yo Varughh fully recovered from them deadlifts btw

sand mason
#

aoe taunt

dusty bear
#

I press taunt aoe aggro

#

Nothing

deft mortar
#

Now I give 3-4 days break

silver vessel
cloud umbra
#

AOE taunt is 10 yards

slim dove
#

big gains

dusty bear
#

Nothing happen

slim dove
deft mortar
#

BRUH

#

Do u strap ur knees?

#

Atleast

slim dove
#

ye

#

sleeves are my crutch

deft mortar
#

I cant find my pair

#

So I been using my wifes rollerblade knee stuff lmao

#

atleast they keep em warm

slim dove
#

added 20 lb to my squat every week consistently

marble cipher
#

did they hotfix nokhud last boss "pull & vanish" adds tactic?
Or, we're just not doing it correctly?

silver vessel
#

any fort issues on NO? My highes t is 16 but I have an 18 key that I'm going to try tonight

slim dove
#

stormbolt hurts

silver vessel
#

spell block work in there?

slim dove
#

^

silver vessel
#

ah

#

i got disrupting shout/intim shout/storm bolt

sick sentinel
#

i dunno why i ran it, but in that 15 AA i showed some of, i ran concussive blows

#

you still want spell block for no

slim dove
#

no

sick sentinel
#

lets see how much that actually benefited me

cold trench
slim dove
#

0 need for spell block in nok

silver vessel
#

ill take battering ram over spell block then

#

and keep disrupting shout

slim dove
#

youd never not take the node with spell block in it.

sick sentinel
#

if you want to kite alot then fine but your dps is gonna have a worse time because of it

dusty bear
#

I was doing an AA 18 today i told my group to wait on stairs to wait for me to collect. Forgot that was explo and i was destroyed by them while mounted =))). Good thing they didn t aggro and i was able to come back and we timed

sand mason
#

I wanna play DS so bad but have never figured out what to sacrifice lol

sick sentinel
#

where would concussive blow be listed

undone verge
#

battering man maybe

silver vessel
#

ah yeah you need that node for punish

#

so i prob just not take battering ram if i want disrupting shout

slim dove
#

you drop show of force for DS.

#

pls never drop battering ram

silver vessel
#

battering ram better than show of force?

#

TC dmg seems relevant?

slim dove
#

by miles.

silver vessel
#

cool

#

good to know

forest tulip
undone verge
#

how is battering ram that much dmg in aoe?

silver vessel
#

alright you cool cats and kittens, thanks for the advice

#

battering ram is crazy AA dmg increase

sick sentinel
#

its not

#

dont take it on fort week

undone verge
#

and show of force is still somehow less dmg then?

urban portal
#

Isn’t that just a sim question

sick sentinel
#

its different damage profile

lament gulch
#

What trinket is better to use? 395 all totem or 389 decoration? cuz i feel like the shield from decoration is non existent

sick sentinel
#

must not be alot of kicks in AA

#

only had 26 total interupts (spell lock) in aa 15

round pendant
#

why does my arms spec literally only sim 10k more damage than prot lmao

cold trench
#

also question for you guys running 20+: what trinkets do you use ? I've been using torch for some time now as it is so much dmg but I'm sometime asking myself if it's not trolling

round pendant
#

Whetstone + All-Totem peepoHappy

cold trench
#

(especially that time where I cancelled the shield on HoV Ragnarok because of it woopsie)

#

is it tho. torch does such a large amount of overall dmg. Only thing I don't like is that it makes my 2 slots filled with on use trinkets

sick sentinel
#

what is the cooldown of frost fire blet

urban portal
#

Torch good

urban portal
#

50% uptime

sick sentinel
#

okay, and boots will still be a good safe option for food?

#

cuz i dont think theres special boots i can get

cold trench
#

ok I see

undone verge
#

ok so show of force does more dmg in aoe, and both talents are basically dmg only talents so fort weeks drop battering ram, tyran weeks drop show of force is my take

forest tulip
#

aye, +2'd a +11 RLP with no deaths. Granted, it was on my DH but that felt good

cold trench
#

also is the diurna's ring worth crafting the belt ?

undone verge
#

yes

cold trench
#

okok next upgrade then

#

what about the other ring ? you grab the seal ? Got the one from CoS atm

warm plinth
#

It is high ilevel though iirc? So probably worth it on mythic just for the amount of stats

shut wing
#

Thunderous downburst ring or cos auto attack ring

warm plinth
#

At same ilevel, CoS

shut wing
#

K

round pendant
#

God, ever since I hid my action bars I enjoy WoW so much more

shut wing
#

Bc of devestator ya

warm plinth
#

No just because the stats are good and the effect is free

inland raft
#

Spiteful storm ar 411 or whetstone? Ive heard conflicting stories of spitefuls performance

warm plinth
#

The effect has no effect on Devastator.

#

For what content?

shut wing
#

Hmmmm

#

Mythic plus

warm plinth
#

No, replying to Treassach

#

sorry

shut wing
#

Ah

sand mason
inland raft
#

Mythic plus as well doesnt seem like would be good there but then ive been told it does

sand mason
#

I feel like hes up to something

inland raft
#

So huh

sand mason
warm plinth
#

They look like fairly normal talents to me

#

Whetstone for sure in keys

#

I'm pretty sure it's better in ST too than spiteful but I don't have spiteful so idk

#

You can just sim it if you want

round pendant
#

Yeah those talents are normal

#

tho what's he losing BR for?

#

I'm pepega when I look at talent trees

#

can't see shit

warm plinth
#

Disrupting

round pendant
#

Is that better than giving up blood surge?

cold trench
round pendant
#

I guess for ST, give up surge/instigate and for dungeons BR?

chrome jacinth
#

does anyone have a stance swap macro that actauls works the ones i found seems to be very work for arms and prot

sand mason
urban portal
#

OR is preference

warm plinth
urban portal
#

Itf is cuz he’s a chad

#

Definitely not recommended if you are still learning

warm plinth
cold trench
#

430 then but much more difficult to get

#

second to last boss on mythic, and a very rare item sooo

#

not there quite yet, I'll stick with the hero one for the moment okayge

sand mason
sick sentinel
#

wrecking throw looks a bit tempting, i'm willing to bet there is all kinds of targets for it in keys that give them selves absorb buffs

limber flame
#

can be pain + gain, imp leap, imp throw, you kinda stacked together in RLP so ITF makes sense.

mighty valley
#

wrecking throw is good for raszageth, maybe another raid fight or two i'm forgetting right now

heady stratus
#

Guys where I can find the timers for the raid boss abilities? I'm doing a note in MRT for my guild.

onyx ledge
#

When is a good time to replace the colbalt ring? It does so much healing for me on logs. I also have a 418 seal of filial duty (absorb on fire) and a 421 crit vers ring

turbid shuttle
#

In HoV, is there some trick to using the post on the wolves? my ranged are getting charged

#

I've done it before and it worked, and today it didn't. Maybe it was hotfixed?

warm plinth
#

Ambition was doing it on live servers as recent as 3 days ago, but not sure if there's some special way to do it or what the deal is.

sick sentinel
#

ive been doing this mostly

#

was side arm, trying out the interupt one, low uptime

warm plinth
#

Honed Reflexes is a wasted point tbh

#

Wish they'd redo that talent

sick sentinel
#

seems okay to me, 13 second pummel instead of 15

inland raft
#

only 1 second off, have to take the other pummel to get to 13

warm plinth
#

Unless you're literally kicking on CD, it's a waste, and you spent 2 seconds to get that.

#

2 points to get that*

#

And you're also assuming no one stole your kick too

inland raft
#

honestly if it was 3 seconds off on its own it could see some purpose as 12 second kick actually is impactful in niche situations but 14 second doesnt change anything

warm plinth
#

And you basically never wait 9 seconds for SS to come off CD so the other part of Honed Reflexes is pointless.

vivid lantern
#

I like intimating shout too much. Saves me in keys when people don’t kick.

warm plinth
#

yogi is an intimidating shout hater

inland raft
#

ya fear is really solid

warm plinth
#

He thinks it's going to pull other packs

inland raft
#

only time would drop it is if in a premade where stops are already planned out and dont need it

warm plinth
#

I give him shit for it all the time

vivid lantern
#

I mean it’s so good in NO trash before 3rd boss. Also in CoS imps.

inland raft
#

bats in sbg too

vivid lantern
#

Yup.

inland raft
#

its a very high value 1 point talent

warm plinth
#

Man can you imagine if we'd had to talent into Intimidating Shout with the old trees. We'd be having an entirely different conversation probably 😂

vivid lantern
#

Pain and again is a point I’m not sure about. I take it but I don’t know what to take instead. Bounding stride? A bit higher rage cap.

inland raft
#

pain and gain is the flex point

#

higher rage cap is nice in aoe, intervene in halls, etc

flat jackal
#

For those that have killed or are progging M brood, are you guys able to dispel the bleed? I tried using that talent that removes bleed but it doesn’t seem to work on it

vivid lantern
#

At the start I took titanic throw. But I don’t like the cd. Especially this week.

warm plinth
warm plinth
inland raft
#

disease,poison,curse only

last nova
#

is nookiehood 19 easy clap this week?

inland raft
#

nok is ez every week

flat jackal
#

My healing officer who plays an evoker kept saying it doesn't work

#

but >???????

last nova
#

i dunno, I've got some PTSD nokhud stories

warm plinth
#

What is the bleed called?

#

Some raid mechanics are just designed to not be removed by shit like that

sick sentinel
#

saw the ring skip being done in normal AV today

#

testing buttons

flat jackal
sick sentinel
#

stupid as i thought it was going to be

#

yeah well, u hear about it, dunno how it works, then u see it

flat jackal
sick sentinel
#

its like really thats how we gotta do that shit lol

small warren
#

quick question: do you all take thunderlord and/or Enduring Alacrity for M+? I am trying to change things around a bit and see what different builds feel like in semi-high keys

urban portal
#

enduring alacrity doesnt do much

small warren
urban portal
#

no one runs bolster because you have 100% uptime anyways

round pendant
#

Does the whetstone even exist?

#

idek how many I've run now

#

but never drops sadga

warm plinth
#

I have one

round pendant
#

I've had 3 waist drops

#

Damn, All-Totem did like 3.8% of my dps in that CoS +16

#

actually pretty good!

warm plinth
#

Yeah and it's uncapped so it'll do even better in a higher target count dungeon

strong forum
#

Dwarf can remove rending bite iirc

#

So no reason evoker couldn't

warm plinth
#

Are you not running focused vigor?

round pendant
#

if I have a dungeon log and I filter it to "trash" and it says 100% uptime on shield block

#

am I doing it right?

limber flame
#

ye its cracked

warm plinth
#

no

urban portal
#

wanna look at blocked hits

round pendant
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But then on Bosses it says 0% huh

warm plinth
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Damage taken, hover over hits column next to melee

urban portal
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link log?

warm plinth
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On the whole thing

round pendant
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OOF

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73% blocked

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I wonder why it keeps dropping

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I'm prob just not pressing it enough I guess

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I might make my weakaura flash red or something when it's below 3 seconds or so on shield block

strong forum
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Most of my unblocked hits come from gathering pulls

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Even when I have 99% block uptime, but only 95% blocked hits, most of it is from gathering pulls

round pendant
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I'll just convince my brain that SB down = dead

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Even tho it hasn't been an issue, not like I die a lot

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I definitely forget to use it when I'm pulling packs

grizzled elm
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So, realize this is a long shot, but has anyone had an experience where Mythic Sennarth seems to randomly Web Blast a DPS and kill them, even though they were no where close on threat?

vast sedge
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both tanks out of range

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usually during the web pull

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except, kill them? don't think any of our dps that got hit actually died from 1 blast

grizzled elm
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Interesting, I wasn't aware web blast had a range. Seems to be able to hit me on the back of the platform.

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But thank you!

strong forum
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You learned that lesson in SL

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SB down for 0.2sec = dead pwar

warm plinth
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Maybe he's a reroller

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:prayge

strong forum
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Kinda wild tho

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How much more forgiving mobs are in DF

round pendant
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I played Prot Paladin in Legion (and Arms war for a bit), then didn't play til DF :)

strong forum
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Like in SL you'd insta flop with SB down

round pendant
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Kinda wanna learn arms here so I can do some chill dungeons to farm concentrated focuses

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tanking is a little annoying when people keep fucking it up with buttpulls and stuff

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Literally just did a 16 CoS and some retri paladin didn't know to jump after lockdown

urban portal
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yeah raw autos were hitting different in SL

round pendant
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should I just press SB every time I get a charge and it won't go over the cap?

strong forum
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Pmuch

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It's fairly hard to overcap SB

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Outside of Lust

round pendant
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What even is the cap

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I've never actually paid attention to that

warm plinth
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3x the base duration

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With enduring defenses, 24 seconds

round pendant
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damn I should just be mashing it

warm plinth
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Yeah basically you only don't press it if you're moving to a new pack

round pendant
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I have a nasty of habit of using IP way too much too

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but I'm slowly getting better

sick sentinel
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in retro spec the talents i used for that 15 today are terrible for that dungeon

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kick and spell block, got somuch use outofit...

round pendant
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I specced fear and no joke it's so useful

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my puggers never fuckin interrupt some really critical moments (after I've already used everything else)

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and it clutches the run

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my face when the imps aren't being cc'd on CoS

vast forge
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mfw target capped fear on imps

sick sentinel
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its too volatile on fear for me to like it, or toxic potion

round pendant
last nova
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any change to AV first pull this week?

arctic marten
undone verge
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I get bitched by most raid bosses without shield block. M terros one shot me, granted I had a stack, but it was still a nice little welcome

last nova
strong forum
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That increases dmg taken by 50 or 100%, can't remember the exactly value

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Cuz when I tanked that boss with only 85% block uptime, I barely lost hp

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Hm it does seem like opalfang does melee semi hard

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But on average the unblocked hit from him is still only 160k

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And it's raid, that is super irrelevant dmg intake

small warren
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Decided against both anyway lol

signal ivy
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Thoughts on routing for azure vaults this week?

arctic marten
glossy jungle
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Any tips for egg tanking on brood? Im getting trucked on Heroic

round pendant
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Spell reflect

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It hurts like hell too

glossy jungle
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Okay ill remember that for next week

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we killed it but it was ugly

valid sleet
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How actually bad is mastery for us boys? I'm a Fury main with lots of mastery stuff

warm plinth
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It's less good than the other 3 secondaries. But it's still a good stat.

vivid lantern
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How do most people sim for M+? Do you use dungeon slice, or just patchwork with more bosses?

prime sphinx
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man i stop doing m+ for like 3 weeks now all the gobloids have reached the 20 pug key level

warm plinth
vivid lantern
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Thanks, just do something like 1 /3 /5?