protection

[plush tendon]

the other option from unstoppable force

in the class talent tree

[high drum]

alterac valley exalted

u can just get both

[woeful trellis]

Totem

[uneven mason]

The choice node under avatar

[deft mortar]

noice

replaced 398 belt with 421

hit 414

If I had proper crafteds id be a bit higher maybe 416-417

[slim dove]

big

i got cucked in vault

3 421 necks

[south plume]

do you guys use rend?

[deft mortar]

HOW lmao

[slim dove]

no, you never use rend.

press thunderclap to apply rend.

[deft mortar]

They shouldn't allow vault slots to drop the same slot ngl xD

[slim dove]

you still need rend talented

[south plume]

cuz i was suprised on icy veins it suggests rend

ooh

[slim dove]

icy veins is old as shit

[slim dove]

ive had the same 402 helmet since week 1

[deft mortar]

ri[

rip

crafted?

[slim dove]

gonna craft one this week but still

nope

[south plume]

where should i check? wowhead?

[slim dove]

got eggnog ring in heroic cache tho so i cant be too tilted

[slim dove]

check pins

[deft mortar]

I craft my own shit and can only 4* them

[south plume]

ok ty

[modern brook]

this is very funny to me @ionic fern

[slim dove]

415 ilvl with a fucking 402 helmet

[deft mortar]

my lowest 405 rn

They are M+ pieces tho so

Come feb 14

They will all be 415

[slim dove]

remember go blast +2s-10s for bonus valor

[plush tendon]

so excited for uncapped valor

now I can upgrade random pieces to catalyze for tmog

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[slim dove]

bro its fun sometimes just to hold W through some new players key

[jagged pier]

no

[slim dove]

yes

[jagged pier]

m+ isnt fun

[slim dove]

[plush tendon]

idk, I think M+ is pretty neat

[slim dove]

its fun with friends, pugging has been mostly a negative experience for me.

[modern brook]

yeah its wow

[plush tendon]

keys with friends is the only way

pugging is poop

[slim dove]

unfortunately my original "stack" capped at 20s and has no desire to push higher

[plush tendon]

unless its a Monday night and you really need to get that last 20 done for vault

[modern brook]

do 1 fucking 21 this week

and convince them to push for io

[slim dove]

they dont care

[modern brook]

Its so free rn

[slim dove]

its just a loot simulator for them

[modern brook]

smh bad group

imagine wanting loot for VOTI

[plush tendon]

honestly, thats a fair take on it though

some people max rewards and once thats gone, theres no point

[slim dove]

yeah its a fair take but idk

go play some korean mmo if you want the endless loot treadmill

[plush tendon]

just sucks for those who want some IO drips

[slim dove]

the fact i can hit a sort of gear "wall" and just focus on my own play is much better (for me)

[viscid plaza]

I've had largely positive experiences pugging.

[sick sentinel]

i've had mixed results

ranging from all 3 major points of bad or good key result, had some 001%'s and some 100%'s in terms of how i'd put them, or a parse if you will

[limber fable]

When we need to help with explosives, what are we tagging them with ? I have throw mouse over for distance , but not sure for close.

[plush tendon]

auto attack

charge works

[lime urchin]

I made my m+ frens through pugging. but it does feel like searching for diamonds in big, fat, chonky, damping piles of shit

[plush tendon]

and heroic throw

SS in a pinch

[limber fable]

Okay perfect, thanks

[reef holly]

I need to get better at adding good players- I only have a shield crafter added as a friend

[sick sentinel]

how do survive bursting birdo trash AA

better healer ?

[icy bane]

Priest MD

[robust lark]

I got 418 sword/board, should I do lariat or frostfire belt next?

[sick sentinel]

cant, not a priest

[plush tendon]

its mostly a group fault; did you roll bursting?

if yes, then healer is gonna have a bad time

if not, healer may have fucked up

[sick sentinel]

i didn't look at the log, but, it wasn't going to complete, not on time by a long shot anyways

[reef holly]

Get the WA that yells when you have 4 stacks

[sick sentinel]

i quit out on that one shamed to say

[robust lark]

a bunch of my wa's stopped working yesterday

[sick sentinel]

keep updating curseforge addons

GOD DAMNIT

[icy bane]

Not being able to do Giga pulls this week just makes my runs feel like a slough

[deft mortar]

BRUH

IKR

I fkn hate not being able to do giga pulls

[sick sentinel]

never been a fan of giga pulls outside of no timer content

[deft mortar]

WTF BLIZZ

Yogi u disgust me

Go to the priest discord

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-spin-gif-21614735

[distant crystal]

my biggest gripe with pugging is that it feels like 1 in 5 keys or so, someone will just DC/afk like 2 minutes in

[sick sentinel]

giga pulls is how you fuckin wipe the group

ass pulls, knockbacks fears

etc

[deft mortar]

Giga pulls is how u wipe a clueless group who shouldn't be doing it anyway

kekw

[sick sentinel]

and then, you got, 43 more guys running in the room

and your dead

[plush tendon]

Giga pulls are fine

[reef holly]

I think I grouped with a latam player that gave me 600ms of lag

[plush tendon]

just need to limit the # of mechs in each pull though

[sick sentinel]

giga pulls are fine, but but not for healer or tank sanity

[deft mortar]

Wym

[icy bane]

I love Giga pulls

[deft mortar]

Tanks sanity is maximized during giga pulls

[icy bane]

Limit testing

[plush tendon]

naw, giga pulls and pulling around DPS CDs is easier then splitting pulls up

[deft mortar]

Tank literally bathing in joyous combat fluids

[distant crystal]

tanks love it when you convert a normal pull into a giga pull by tagging some extra packs for them

or so i hear

[robust lark]

I was told by a guy much higher rating than me "Don't worry about pull size, just pull what you know you can control" and that has stuck with me as a tank

[plush tendon]

^ sage advice

[robust lark]

I don't think about the size of the pull so much as whether or not I know I can control it. If I know I can sidestep all the frontals while keeping them off the group AND my party is getting lots of interrupts, I know I can ccontrol bigger pulls

[distant crystal]

most ppl do keys that are well below what they could theoretically time

[deft mortar]

How high rating was the guy

[distant crystal]

you'd be surprised what you could time by just W keying one pack at a time

[robust lark]

like 400

[spark cedar]

[plush tendon]

[deft mortar]

Maybe he meant higher

[plush tendon]

theres a genius in those +2s lads

[robust lark]

maybe 450

[deft mortar]

Anyway don't take anybody's advise below 2.7k score as serious

I am 2660 so dont take mine either

[ionic plank]

I am 2701 so take mine 😎

[plush tendon]

well im 2860.... but im legally stupid sooooo

[deft mortar]

Chawie drop us some wisdom brother

[reef holly]

How many 20s are needed to hit 2400?

[plush tendon]

me zug zug

[distant crystal]

I'm 2640, don't take anyone's advice that's 2639 or below

[deft mortar]

LOL

[ionic plank]

use shield block to block

and ignore pain to ignore the pain

[deft mortar]

GROUNDBREAKING

[robust lark]

I'm only 2252 but hey I'm learnin

[icy bane]

I go every m+ zug zug

[distant crystal]

I think all 18s or so should be your 2400

if that

[robust lark]

What's like top 10% rating?

[icy bane]

Kill mob dont die

[deft mortar]

Im in top 5k world top 3k eu with 2660 rating

[reef holly]

[robust lark]

what rating do you have to be to be in the top 10% of mythic+ rating people...I imagine it's lower than like 2300

[plush tendon]

this is about 2400 IO

on my Alt

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqbTHwknMZk

[plush tendon]

as you can see, its just a collection of keys

[deft mortar]

According to wowlogs that puts me to 1-2% which is very doubtful

[sick sentinel]

i now understand zug zug

[deft mortar]

Yo is that for warrs?

[sick sentinel]

ahahaha

[plush tendon]

all IO

[ionic plank]

no that's overall (and in europe)

[deft mortar]

ah

Warrs should be higher

kekw

[plush tendon]

they are probably pushing the top end

[deft mortar]

This includes like DH tanks and other memes

[plush tendon]

just cause its the current high key push meta

[lime urchin]

I recommend adding nice players too

[robust lark]

That's a big jump between 1900 at top 25% and 2395 at top 10% hah

so most people are stuck sub 15s

[icy bane]

So what I gotta time for 3020, like all 23s?

[deft mortar]

More I believe

All 25-27s

Timed

[ionic plank]

well there's 286,920 warriors on raiderio

all specs

[jagged pier]

no most ppl dont step into m+ at all

[plush tendon]

that sounds about right

all 22s is roughly 2960

[robust lark]

true

[plush tendon]

so all 23s shouldnt be far off that 3k mark

[ionic plank]

yeah bear in mind these numbers are only people with a key completed

[icy bane]

Alright that ain’t too bad

[deft mortar]

Im top 8423 among all warrs omg

Rip me

Fk it im gonna push

[plush tendon]

its doable for lots of people

[deft mortar]

5406 among prots

[plush tendon]

its honestly just a time thing

[deft mortar]

Just proof that Prot Warrs > DPS warrs

[robust lark]

I just race/name changed and my raiderio isn't updated yet, doesn't show my mythic prog, feels bad

[icy bane]

Ye I think it’s just the time investment of pushing 19-20 keys to 23s and 24s

[plush tendon]

you also want to get your hands on a higher Court and SBG

like, you can go like 2 key levels higher on those then the others

for some.... ethical score

[deft mortar]

Ur fortified week will likely be 2 levels above ur tyrannical maxes too

Depending on dung

[icy bane]

Ye ice been trying to snipe a 24 COS or SBG

[limber fable]

Pushing high keys seems to be all about mechanics. U can basically go in blind to a 20 and time it without too much effort.above that mechanics need to be kicked, kited, stopped or people die

[plush tendon]

thats a power play to snag some low hanging IO

[robust lark]

IDK I'm feeling this week is not nearly as hard as people think...but I'm runnin 16s just for primal infusions and maybe just having good luck with pugs

[deft mortar]

Yo augusto drop us a DPS tier list real quick

[icy bane]

Rogue

[deft mortar]

Just the top 5 specs

[icy bane]

Balance Druid

[deft mortar]

Ench Shaman

DH?

[plush tendon]

Havov and Rogue are the S tier

and then a lot of really good specs

like boomy, war, ww, enhacement, etc.

imo

[deft mortar]

Ait

Swear rogues are rly hit-or-miss meanwhile all DHs are good lmao

[plush tendon]

but Rogue and Havoc seem to be a step above with damage, util and survive

like, they just have everything you could want

[deft mortar]

kekw

Ait how I get myself boosted is

[plush tendon]

I also prefer full melee only comps

[icy bane]

I’ve had the exact opposite experience, every DH I’ve played with is DPS brain fel rush into random garbage dies

[deft mortar]

I get BiS dps all my runs kekw

And a resto druid

I like to stack buffs too

[plush tendon]

though I do run with a hunter

cause hes a homie

[deft mortar]

I like hunters

[plush tendon]

squishy as all hell

[deft mortar]

Cuz BL + they get 5% buff from me

[plush tendon]

but they got lust

..... and no double tap

[deft mortar]

I like to stack buffs like: Phsyical and Magic cleaves sorta

[plush tendon]

I just look for good players

if player is good, then class doesnt matter to me

[deft mortar]

Like Warr / Rdruid / WW / Rogue / Hunt gives Bshout, Mystic Touch, and 3% vers to all

[robust lark]

What classes have Slow Fall for AV skip? I know priests can cast it on everyone

[oak echo]

this is the group i run with

[deft mortar]

U can heroic leap

And rest can corpse fal

[icy bane]

You can get a toy that gives you slow fall

[deft mortar]

For lal Icare

[robust lark]

I got a 17 AV key I want to push myself but I wanna know the best group comp

[icy bane]

Called something whisper like valosh whisper

[plush tendon]

really anything

[robust lark]

hmm I'll have to look into that, I just heroicc leap

[icy bane]

Can’t remember what it’s called

[oak echo]

depends on what skip you're doing and what trash you're trying to clear before skipping

[icy bane]

But I don’t collect toys and I have it so it’s probably very common.

[robust lark]

Is triggering the whelp groups gonna be suicide this week?

[feral dune]

i didn't hink you could use toys in keys

[robust lark]

To do the frog room skips?

[oak echo]

if you're just jumping off the first ring to right before the 2nd boss room, a lot of things can mitigate the fall damage.

the frog room skip requires 0 mitigation, anyone can make that jump

[plush tendon]

im still gonna pull the first room in AV as one pull and lust

pack is too juicy as a first pull

[robust lark]

You mean the frog room skip on the outside of the ring onto the 2 mobs guarding the book?

[oak echo]

yeah

[robust lark]

or the skip straight onto the boss ring

where you avoid those 2 mobs

[plush tendon]

is it worth to skip the frogs?

I feel like that stuff is free

[robust lark]

I feel like it's a ton faster no

[oak echo]

you can avoid them by tanking them while your group runs through and uses the book 🤷‍♂️

and your healer rezes you

[robust lark]

wouldn't that put the group in combat so nobody can use it?

[plush tendon]

like, you pull one full room, then you do everything in the hallways as one pull

[oak echo]

not if you jump down first

[plush tendon]

then the next full room

and thats like 30% trash

[oak echo]

then have everyone jump down on the opposite side

[robust lark]

fair enough

[deft mortar]

Have the engineering ress tools

helps..

[oak echo]

rogue can also evasion tank it and vanish

i think

[deft mortar]

Not rly

Dodge % drops vs bosses

[robust lark]

I dunno but I get nervous going into AV and figure the skips make things a lot better

but perhaps I should just run it straight

[sick sentinel]

evasion is over powered

[oak echo]

it's not a dodge thing. i think it's more that they see through the vanish

[sick sentinel]

i miss old days, when you can vanish as last one alive, reset boss, don't die, no repair bill

[deft mortar]

I used to bubble-heart each time

And than group had to wait 5 mins for me

dxdxdxd

back in my pally ays

[sick sentinel]

divine intervention the priest in 2004 when ur about to wipe

cuz they can res after

and also no repair cost this way either

[dusky canopy]

Frogs are super free count but it’s a time waste to do them, if you can 100% count before boss 2 and utilize the ring jump skips that is the fastest route

At least fastest that I’m aware of anyway

[topaz field]

u always wanna play frogs

the only reason groups skipped them was because of bolster

1 frog is 5 count

[reef holly]

How many wipes can you have doing this?

[topaz field]

which is only 3 count less than a crystal thrasher

[lone eagle]

The big reason groups skipped them is the drakonids on the path do a ton of dam and the travel time was meh in addition to losing frog uptime

[cinder storm]

You don't always want to play frogs

[reef holly]

I know with the standard route, you really can’t have any wipes

[topaz field]

100 % u wanna do

[lone eagle]

Since they ate a 15% health nerf though

[cinder storm]

If your comp permits you can just 100% without frogs

[topaz field]

there is no comparable count with so few hp

and zero attention to pay to

[cinder storm]

Lust timing?

CDs timing?

[dusky canopy]

You don’t do frogs if group can handle the stone packs

[topaz field]

u can play them later as well

[lone eagle]

They significantly impact DPS uptime though in large numbers for casters

[dusky canopy]

No other way about it

[cinder storm]

Again, if your comp allows it, not doing frogs is preferable

[dusky canopy]

^

[topaz field]

it will always be slower and less efficient

[uneven mason]

Frogs so annoying

[lone eagle]

Melee with wide cleave profiles and casters with mainly instants do frogs best

[topaz field]

frogs are only annoying if u allow them to

because people dont group and use aoe stops

[dusky canopy]

You are incorrect.

[topaz field]

i mean just check live keys

[cinder storm]

Imagine getting bursting stacks plus bestial roar on a 20+

[topaz field]

everyone plays frogs

[cinder storm]

It's going to hurt this week

[topaz field]

but sure im incorrect

roger

[uneven mason]

Frogs first mob in df that made me consider spear

[dusky canopy]

Live pug keys do frogs lol

[topaz field]

what are we talknig about

your comfort zone

[lone eagle]

I just do the skip then turn and do 2 quick pulls after

[topaz field]

or the best trash in the dungeon

[sterile bough]

does any1 have diurna ring?

[uneven ice]

Hi! Which pieces of the tier are the best ones?

[topaz field]

if its your comfort zone to skip them

sure go ahead

[lone eagle]

Good mix without the long stairway

[dusky canopy]

We’re talking about the fastest route for AV

[sterile bough]

or knows how much healing it does

[uneven ice]

Is head BiS?

[dusky canopy]

Witch is to do 100% count before boss 2 and utilize ring jump skips

[icy bane]

If all pieces max level it’s helm shoulders chest pants

[uneven ice]

Ok

Thanks!

[topaz field]

just checked logs from last week 26 from not andys group they played frogs and i saw another 25 where they played frogs

but thank god im incorrect

[modern brook]

this week is in contention for the easiest week of the entire season

[dusky canopy]

You think what you want to think and then after mdi weekend when they skip frogs because it’s faster I’ll remind you

[topaz field]

wtf are u saying

[dusky canopy]

Super free week but healers are sadge

[topaz field]

i mean i literally proved u wrong

its not hard math also

if u take count and mob hp into account

every onehead can do it

[dusky canopy]

You proved me wrong because Andy’s team did frogs last week in some supposed logs you have access too?

LUL

[topaz field]

i said not andys team

because they dont log

and i saw sjeles group also playing frogs

and the last time i saw teams skipping frogs was as i mentioned in bolster

which is obvious right

u know that 1 frog=1 piercing shards guy

[plush tendon]

Well, at least yall got different routes you like

sounds like ideal M+

[dusky canopy]

He’s trying to say the hold W route with frogs is faster

[plush tendon]

I like frogs

[dusky canopy]

Witch like I stated earlier

Is incorrect

[plush tendon]

except on bolstering

takes my group 3-4 minutes to clear them

[modern brook]

frogs are annoying to move

bolstering sanguine explosive etc

all ass to deal with w/ them

[dusky canopy]

Pugs do frogs because they’re less threatening

[topaz field]

its okay if you are too proud to admit a mistake

[plush tendon]

dont know if it changes with fort

[dusky canopy]

It is not more “efficient”

[topaz field]

np i wish you a happy and good day

[plush tendon]

but we can experiment this week to see what works

[cinder storm]

My man, no need to act condescending

[modern brook]

i mean the crystal guys onyl become threatening if you cant kill thembefore your CC Drs to the point you cant interrupt the frontals anymore

[cinder storm]

If you like frogs keep doing them, everyone told you it's comp related and being on a pug or not

[plush tendon]

my group just has a really easy time with frogs usually

compared to the other stuff

so it makes sense for me and my group to do frogs

[modern brook]

my group is 4 melee and an evoker

.>

[topaz field]

i dont question that fact

everyone can play whatever they like

[modern brook]

so frogs slow us down alot and we love the skip

[topaz field]

but this man told me its slower

which is obviously not the case

[cinder storm]

It is slower

But it is safer

[dusky canopy]

How to admit you’re wrong without admitting your wrong

[topaz field]

how on earth is it slower

[cinder storm]

That's all there is

[topaz field]

when mobs have less effective hp

its just bad play if u dont manage to group them properly

[dusky canopy]

You can succeed with your frogs

[topaz field]

run aways once the big guys are dead etc

[lime urchin]

Could you guys please use less enters

[dusky canopy]

But what I stated is still correct

It’s faster to skip all of them

[lime urchin]

Write a paragraph

[modern brook]

zoomer take

[dusky canopy]

Why

Would

I

Do

That

[cinder storm]

Because when you do a route you have to think about engagement and timings, if you do frog, you'll also be doing a lot of walking as well and movement related actions

[dusky canopy]

???

[spare loom]

if I don't need shield, should I just play with loot spec on arms in m+?

[modern brook]

id entere after every letter if i wouldnt get banned for spamming

[dusky canopy]

[lime urchin]

[plush tendon]

yea

[lofty widget]

why dont you guys show some evidence for your route being faster?

[cinder storm]

Without frogs most packs are "stand there and cc when needed"

[topaz field]

u cannot group a comparable amount of mobs anywhere else

[spare loom]

ty

[dusky canopy]

It’s only been the top routes on keystone guru forever

[topaz field]

and stop them in the meantime

[plush tendon]

this is why we have greatpush

[dusky canopy]

Aside from dorkis W route

[plush tendon]

we will see in time what the fastest route is

[lofty widget]

yeh

[plush tendon]

super excited for great push

[modern brook]

if you still need a weapony ou can go fury instead, if you dont and are fishing for trinkets, go arms - smaller loot pool

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

Now we’re talking, plka typing 😅

[spare loom]

i have a 418 wep

but rest of my gear is pretty low ilvl

[patent osprey]

This is such a weird conversation to read -- Frogs or no Frogs, both routes can be faster, but depends on your DPS comp. Things like Boomkins Excel super well on Frog packs cause it doesn't hurt their damage as much, but full melee comps struggle a bit with a shit ton of frogs -- Both routes are fast or can be faster than other depending on the comp

[modern brook]

yeah arms loot spec is a good solution for your gearing needs, then

[topaz field]

sjele has full melee comp

and they actively decided to play them

[spare loom]

alright thank you

[topaz field]

because its faster

[minor helm]

Just do the fastest route innit

[lime urchin]

whoa Plka, how dare you bring nuance to discussions here

[patent osprey]

Yeah u can play them, but the difference is pretty minimal. CD timings + lust timings also play a big role. But the highest AVs have been timed using both routes

[topaz field]

yep and as i mentioned u can jump down beforehand

and play them after last boss

or whenver u feel like it fits your cds / bl timings

[lofty widget]

so routes dont matter. what a time to play keys

[lone eagle]

I'd argue non instant casters are worse than melee

I'm usually fine doing frogs with an outlaw rogue and enh shammy

They seem to get good uptime

They just need a wide non CD dependent cleave profile imo

Boomkin is frog god

[plush tendon]

just be glad there are route options

[dusky canopy]

This is honestly so nice

[cinder storm]

If you can group the frogs and use void tendrils everyone can chill there

[lone eagle]

I just do mass pulls early, get to 84% or so after clearing 2nd boss room

Then skip and do 2 large pulls in the last room

[dusky canopy]

So speaking of tendrils I experienced that in 21 HoV yesterday on the bear pack and wolf pack

How incredibly easy it makes those pulls

Is insane

[cinder storm]

Yeah, it is bugged I think

But we'll take it

[lone eagle]

The wolfs are free count on most weeks if you use the pillar

[lone eagle]

I pull 5-8 now

[plush tendon]

fun detected though

[dusky canopy]

Dude they just stand their

It’s insane

[cinder storm]

Way to make me sad this early

[dusky canopy]

So sad it’s fixed

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

[limpid anchor]

Finally

Kinda sucked in pvp :<

[cinder storm]

Do you need to kill guardian dracthyr before first boss RLP?

[south marlin]

my shield crafter wants me to put min quality 3 for my shield when crafting

[cinder storm]

For the boss to activate

[south marlin]

am i being scamazed

or is that the way

[cinder storm]

Is your crafter trying to get you 418?

If not try finding another one

[south marlin]

yes 418

[dusky canopy]

Should be min quality 4 with rank 2 mats

They’re trying to inspire craft max rank

[cinder storm]

Yeah, they should tell you something like "can't guarantee R5 with R2 mats"

[south marlin]

so with free recrafts

he can just keep on recrafting

until it procs 4

5*

[dusky canopy]

I’m not real familiar with quality 3 crafting but it might be cheaper cost for them and they can still inspire craft quality 5

[rough solar]

This is normal. Either because of the bug, or because he is crafting at 412 with chance of 418.

[plush tendon]

rank 3 mats are so cheap right now

unless I know the crafter (like a guildy) I would just throw them in for a craft

[south marlin]

yep first proc

[cinder storm]

I crafted a regular waist through public order, 200 gold guy got it R4 (honestly would've been happy with 408) then he did a recraft for R5

[cinder storm]

Gratz

[south marlin]

@cinder storm thanks, the crafter kept calling me sexy so im gonna go have a shower now

jesus

[solid cargo]

Well stop being so sexy

[dusky canopy]

Hey that’s the best thing someone on the internet could say

That or refer to you as “king”

[sick sentinel]

is it bis to craft the unstable frostfire belt even tho i wont get the ring from raid ever?

[sonic eagle]

https://gyazo.com/b09a809fc01ec693950f10c7c840ee46

i have okay trinkets

gloves is with leech

this is a nobrainer right?

[lusty tiger]

Gloves unless u also play dps war? I guess

[sonic eagle]

take gloves and catalyst

i dont yet

[lusty tiger]

I would think gloves then

[sonic eagle]

yeah

will not replace them any time soon

i can get grief in raid

[lusty tiger]

I gave mine away last night

[sonic eagle]

whaaat

[sick sentinel]

is there anything speical to note about head vs wrist engineer tinker slot items

like, i know you cant catalyst it, and it seems like both have 1, the same tinker slot

[solemn current]

It’s the same. Just helm requires engineering and takes up a tier slot.

[dusky canopy]

Well lots of variables yogi

If you have access to 424 raid helm

Then you’d craft wrist

[sick sentinel]

i don't block when i channel right

its for 6 seconds on a potion shared CD, so, thats bleh

[solemn current]

Brez tinker should honestly be the choice if you’re going to craft a tinker item. As a tank you don’t want to have to brez but it could save your group on the occasion that you do have to.

[dusky canopy]

Head gives more stats than wrist so ideally (as far as I know anyway) you’d want to do 418 wrist for tinker slot because it’s less overall stat loss if you have access to a higher item level helm

[sick sentinel]

nah, if he dies, he dies

it was already destined

[dusky canopy]

That’s the spirit

[solemn current]

Well then I supposed when your healer dies and you can’t live for the rest of the encounter you can just wish you had brez and gg go again

[torpid fiber]

You need a healer?

[lusty tiger]

i always prefer head over wrist

[dusky canopy]

Quote from my Rdruid “why didn’t I just go cat spec you literally take no damage”

[solemn current]

If you feel like you never need a healer then you simply aren’t doing high enough content. Plenty of NPCs hit hard enough that we can’t survive without one.

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrow-sexy-flirt-gif-6116268

[lusty tiger]

[solemn current]

And it’s not always about us surviving even if the majority of encounters where we can without, it’s the dps not being able to

[dusky canopy]

I mean when I’m helping the homies do there 16s-18s I don’t need much healing

[broken light]

anyone know where can i find omnicd profiles for cc's and cooldowns like?

[dusky canopy]

As the content gets harder you’re absolutely right everybody needs a healer except BDK maybe

[sick sentinel]

i need to buy a bunch of tuskarr contracts

i still have around 8.5 reknown bars to 30 on them

[dusky canopy]

My renown’s are so sad

All below 10 still

I only do keys

[sick sentinel]

w

hov once again

btw

[torpid fiber]

Never joke with the guy named bigdookie. Got it. 😂

[sick sentinel]

4400 of 7500 for bonus chest

[dusky canopy]

Whatch out he’s going to OoK ya

[torpid fiber]

My dooker is off limits

[dusky canopy]

[stoic rapids]

407 ilvl as a tank its enough to do a 20 in time?

[plush tendon]

yea

[dusky canopy]

Oh yeah you got it!

[cinder storm]

Ok my priest friend says the thing with void tendrils is that adds are not targeting them so that's why they don't break in PvE

phew

[craggy kelp]

ok

need help advice about my gear

any1 got a sec?

[sterile bough]

depends how generic the question is

[craggy kelp]

its not

sec

ok so

I currently have 3/4 Tier 4 set pieces,i have 1 Catalys and 6k Valor points. I have as u see 408 Set helm without socket,but i got 395 helm upgradeable with socket,Do i replace the helm,use cata on socketed one and valor it? or do i save the tier helm,and cata my glover/or chest and valor them and next week i do replace helm with socketed one.

[dusky canopy]

Great news!

[solemn current]

4pc first, valor is uncapped next week you can always get your socket then and catalyst/upgrade it

[craggy kelp]

ok

chest or gloves?

[minor aurora]

Any tips on how to survive Blazehoof in RLP without sweating bullets ?

[cinder storm]

Pins

[minor aurora]

thanks 😄

[uneven ice]

Is it worth to lo de a socket for 19 i lvl?

[dusky canopy]

Just have to rotate defensives

Blazehoof slaps

[solemn current]

Off piece chest is technically the BiS set up since tier doesn’t have haste on it, but your chest doesn’t have haste it currently either. Probably gloves though. Cheaper to valor up and you can search for a crit haste chest.

[craggy kelp]

@solemn current got this in my inv

[cinder storm]

They really should change searing blows to 3-6 yds, that frontal is literally a cloud breaking anime attack with it's range

[solemn current]

Spend valor elsewhere, but when it’s uncapped and you can afford to level it up use that instead

[craggy kelp]

nvm,ok ty

whats ebst offset piece?

[solemn current]

Chest would be the off piece, or do you mean belt, boots, etc?

[craggy kelp]

i mean

whats the bis chest then

[solemn current]

If you’re crit focused probably that one. Not sure if there’s a haste/vers chest because I gear with crit in mind.

[craggy kelp]

ok

last question

[dusky canopy]

Wait does searing blows cleave onto party members??

[craggy kelp]

are boots set aswell? or thers offset boots aswell?

[cinder storm]

No

But it's a 300 yds frontal

[solemn current]

Appearance wise or like tier set wise?

[craggy kelp]

as in

[dusky canopy]

Oh kk you said frontal and I was like no freaking way I’ve been sand bagging all this time

[cinder storm]

Well, tank buster to be precise

[craggy kelp]

when i get 4 tier set gloves,pauldrons,pants and helm what boot si go for?

bcz i can pick now between boots or gloves to set

if i pick gloves,then what boots i go for

[dusky canopy]

I like to run gloves from sbg

[craggy kelp]

from kurogg?

[dusky canopy]

Crit/haste gang

[solemn current]

Also depends on the stat you’re choosing to gear for. You should be going for the highest ilvl you can find but personally I run the crit haste boots from CoS with haste/crit on them.

[craggy kelp]

i dont rllyknow what stat im going for

i just follow wowhead guide

[solemn current]

And crit haste gloves would be nice but unless you want a chest with no haste on it you need to take tier gloves.

[craggy kelp]

i dont have any path in mind

[solemn current]

Ilvl >>>>> haste > crit/vers > mastery

[craggy kelp]

im going for haste/ crit/versa

just

dont knwo how much % i should aim for

[solemn current]

Some people still gearing vers after haste but some of us chads prefer crit for damage and parry

[dusky canopy]

Definitely go with highest item level first

[craggy kelp]

icy veins doesnt rlly explain good

[dusky canopy]

After that

[craggy kelp]

but wowhead does but

[dusky canopy]

Crit/haste

[solemn current]

You don’t, you aim for ilvl and then get as much haste as possible.

[craggy kelp]

ok

[solemn current]

Then whatever crit or vers you can get from there, leaning to whichever stat you prefer.

[dusky canopy]

7bill haste

Preferred

[sullen gust]

Hey, I'm new round here, picked up WoW towards the end of shadowlands on recommendation and fell into playing prot warrior. Left for a while and came back for dragonflight as it looked a lot more fun. I've been playing PUGS and managed to get up to +13/15 mythic dungeons depending on which and have hit a wall. I'm not sure if it's my understanding of affixes, the dungeons, the class/rotations, the game in general? But I've been stuck in this general area a while now and was wondering if there was any like coaching or VOD review or general tips and tricks I should be looking for? Sorry for the wall of text and cheers in advance

[lusty tiger]

Yes do you log?

[sullen gust]

I dont, and tbh I dont really know what that is/how it works

[lusty tiger]

Get loggerhead addon

Download Warcraftlogs uploader

[ionic fern]

#protection message

There's a nice rundown for how to log. 🙂

[lusty tiger]

Ye

After that you get unlimited free reviews with the prot discord subscription package

[ionic fern]

If you want like coaching-coaching you can stream a dungeon on Discord and i can look at it and provide live feedback.

[lusty tiger]

Can u yell at me to revenge more when I run keys

[sullen gust]

Possibly! I'll have a look at how logs work and see if that gets me anywhere first, but that would be awesome

[ionic fern]

I can yell at whoever wants to stream.

[last jungle]

Guys, do u have a suggestion for left side, if i wanna pick showckwave?

[lusty tiger]

We can show u how to read logs, you just have to upload them

[ionic fern]

For m+? 👀

Take the build from the pins.

[last jungle]

ah, thought u guys updated wowhead=

[ionic fern]

Llarold does WoWHead, he's here as well.

[lusty tiger]

Wowhead guide… has a few issues imo

[dense atlas]

Are there builds that just go Giga ravager and use SOS and DoD ?

New here

How do those talents sim

[ionic fern]

I do IcyVeins, i'm here also.
And we also provide additional builds in Discord.

[last jungle]

which one ahs showckwave?

[ionic fern]

The m+ one.

👀

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA

[arctic crag]

ruby whelp shell viable for tanking?

as a haste stat stick

[lusty tiger]

Yes

Haste?

[last jungle]

tyvm could swear i did that, but this one has shockwave

[arctic crag]

yes fulltrained to 6 haste

[lusty tiger]

I’m pretty sure you want to go fire shot

Isn’t it a buff also

Not permanent?

The haste

[arctic crag]

yep

just procs

[lusty tiger]

That’s not a stat stick

But I still think you want the single target damage one

[arctic crag]

ooh i see

thanks!

[lusty tiger]

But at the end of the day u want a whetstone

And a blaze hoof/alltotem

[cunning canyon]

If I dont raid at all, after whetstone, what my 2nd trinket?

[sick sentinel]

I hate odyn

[lusty tiger]

Blazebinder hoof

[arctic crag]

dumb question, how do you add slots on neck?

[weak snow]

tiered medallion settings

[signal ivy]

Did they fix Battle hardened talent ye, i see alot if high timed keys warriors are using it

[cunning canyon]

tiered medallion setting
tier 2 adds 2nd slot, tier 3 adds 3rd slot

[cinder storm]

If it's fixed it's going to be added to the pins

[sick sentinel]

i dont like how he puts adds in the swords

other than that whatever

[cinder storm]

Let me just spawn this guy in-between two swords lmao

[robust lark]

Should I get my frostfire belt or my lariat to 418 first? wep/shield already done

[reef holly]

Lust during rune phase

[sick sentinel]

i instantrly left group after it concluded

[cinder storm]

Do you have raid ring?

[sick sentinel]

toio many early deaths to nothing on a 2 group pull

[robust lark]

yes both

my shield ring is 405, dps ring is only 395, so I've been using a 405 crafted ring instead

[deft mortar]

BRUH DANG

Raidbots queue be over 1k

[tropic tangle]

euro vaults

[lusty tiger]

Did you get your wife via your discord pfp?

Bigmuscleman

[deft mortar]

I imagine them arms helped

I do have a phatt ass and back too tho

Which probs helped more

[lusty tiger]

Lmfaoo

[deft mortar]

Doesnt help that I dont shower often tho

[lusty tiger]

Bro

Ur always outta control dawg

[deft mortar]

also she dont work and I pay for everything so

there is that another factor

[lusty tiger]

That big time

[deft mortar]

dang ngl she gettin a good deal

[lusty tiger]

Ur a daddy

[deft mortar]

bruh im 25 she's 24 hows dat daddy lmao

[lusty tiger]

So

[deft mortar]

im into none of that stuff

[lusty tiger]

Ur her new daddy

[deft mortar]

Woudlnt disrespect sir dad-inlaw like that nawww

They have a big backyard

I could easily dissappear in there xd

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-homer-simpsons-hide-disappear-gif-16799752

[deft mortar]

Yo I got a 421 belt with gem slot

But it giga mastery

I may just reroll it on the thingy

[lusty tiger]

The gem was for haste consolation

I can’t find the plate set online

What does it change the belt 2ndaries to

[spare loom]

is there a chance to get 2hand weapon if my loot spec is set to arms?

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[spare loom]

well that sucks

[lusty tiger]

Give full context tho

What are u trying to do

[spare loom]

i was told that I should keep my loot spec to arms for general gearing

[lusty tiger]

No

Fury

[spare loom]

and I opened the 402 cache

and got a 2handed

i was told that fury is only for 1hand weapon, which I already have at 418

[lusty tiger]

U do fury, so you can get dps trinkets as well as 1h and 2h

What are u looking for?

[spare loom]

gear xD

any gear

i still have 343 ilvl shit

[lusty tiger]

Do m+ then

[spare loom]

waist, legs, feet

m+ with what loot spec

?

[lusty tiger]

Fury

Then u craft your shield

[spare loom]

i crafted shield already

[lusty tiger]

It’s not like you won’t get armour if you are one spec or the other

[spare loom]

true

[tidal ocean]

Think we will still be top dingus with bdk and bear buffs?

[hoary belfry]

we are always top dingus even if we are f tier

[lusty tiger]

^

[spare loom]

bear buffs?

what bear buffs

[cold zealot]

What is up with so many "top parsing" prot warriors playing bloodborne?

[lusty tiger]

amazing game

[hoary belfry]

do we have a pin or is it mentioned somewhere in which dungeon we should take spellblock over tough as nails?

[sick sentinel]

Is it worth crafting Unstable Forstfire Belt without having the chance to get the ring from raid?

[lusty tiger]

Need: TJS; uses: RLP, SBG, AV

AV wavers in between

[hoary belfry]

tjs because of dark claw?

[lusty tiger]

and explosions

and 3rd boss

and maybe even 2nd boss

[hoary belfry]

ohh yea third boss makes a lot of sense

[sacred remnant]

whats everyones opinion on immovable object vs unstoppable force?

[lusty tiger]

UF always with a few niche af exceptions

I like IO for TJS

personally

thats about it

[sacred remnant]

is it cus UF just does more dmg?

[lusty tiger]

more dam

more rage

more rends out

[sacred remnant]

i see

[lusty tiger]

it is bigtime gaming

[icy bane]

Prot Paladin highest tank io right now

[cold zealot]

No Ideas?
If i drop indom and go 2 pt into bloodborne its +162dps sacrificeing huge survivability...
It is just a padd thing right?

[jagged pier]

just use mine

i was rank 1 hc

and like 3 mythic

with indom

[cold zealot]

So its just padding i guess, to get out dmg no matter the price...

[jagged pier]

thats what top parsers do

then they get PI and stuff

and still loose to ppl that dont do that stuff

[cold zealot]

no externals but still... boggles my mind for what little value it brings

[jagged pier]

i dunno dropping tough as nails punish which is great in ST but not in aoe and the wall on a fight where u dont need SW seems like a good trade for 15k to me

[cinder storm]

Bear went from rank F to D to C with buffs

[feral dune]

actually?

[toxic pewter]

bear damage actually really good

[dense atlas]

I just moved from manning bear to PWAR

They’re made of paper

Magical damage ruins them

[feral dune]

yeah i swapped from bear at start of season

felt bad

[dense atlas]

Damage may be Pog

But hard to deal damage when unalived

Also no one is mis timing a key and blaming tank damage unless it’s Giga grief low

[limpid citrus]

I do see that at a point people go from Haste Vers to Crit Mastery. Whats the stat threshold I should aim for?

[dense atlas]

No pro on this but doesn’t haste begin to DR around 30%?

Probably around there

[plush tendon]

haste is 40%

[dense atlas]

Always sim

[small plinth]

yes but only 10%

[lofty widget]

you dont wanna go above 40 % haste

[dense atlas]

And do weights

[plush tendon]

then start looking at other stats

[lofty widget]

but just equip highest ilvl and youre good to go

[plush tendon]

and thats 40% unbuffed; you most likley will not get there this tier

[small plinth]

So haste if you have 300 haste is 300 but if you have 310 haste the 10 is diminished so it’s 30.9

Or some shit

It’s 10% increments

[limpid citrus]

Okey cool thanks

[small plinth]

Starts at 30

[icy bane]

31% crit 31% haste right now, no haste on chest, gloves, wep n shield

[dense atlas]

Isn’t mastery just kinda forbidden

Idk I’m new here

[lofty widget]

no

mastery is good

it's just the least good of the 4 secondaries

generally speaking

[cinder storm]

Nothing is forbidden, everything is permitted - Ezio

[uneven mason]

None of the stats are bad, mastery just provides the least value defensively, because of our high block uptime, it actually is pretty good for dps

[dense atlas]

So what I’m getting out of this is

[uneven mason]

Just stack ilvl

[dense atlas]

Choose the highest ilvl number lol

[cinder storm]

Yep

[uneven mason]

More stats > less stats

[limpid citrus]

Ye its for crafting

[violet flume]

mastery is worse than parry? I had napkin mathed that mastery would probably be better for smooth damage intake over crit, but i didnt go deep in that

[cinder storm]

Avoiding damage > smoothing damage

[uneven mason]

They're both random in a vacuum, and parry is a 100% reduction but lower chance

[cinder storm]

[uneven mason]

Mastery just dips because we can have 100% block uptime without it

[violet flume]

i think i saw that 200 crit = 1% parry, 120 mastery = 1% crit block, im sure both have diminishing returns though

so 200 mastery would be 1.6% crit block which should be close enough to parry in damage reduction? i dont have real numbers so i could be wrong

[modern brook]

i think you're digging too deep

[uneven mason]

You're overthinking it

There's no magical minmax

[violet flume]

oh for sure, i was just curious, im not gonna minmax my parr and mastery amounts

[dense atlas]

Had a Granyth scale drop last night. I now have decoration and scale. Would you drop either of those for a damage trink? Like prolly torch for sure but what about like whetstone or spiteful storm?

[violet flume]

just that i wondered if i get a haste crit and haste mastery pieces which one would truly be the best.. its probably not much of a difference

[uneven mason]

Sim for DPS

[cinder storm]

Dmg trinkets all the way

[strong forum]

Vers gets you the least % per point
Haste the most
Crit = mastery

[uneven mason]

But crit is for pumping

[crystal mauve]

Whetstone is much better for M+, storm might be better for raid, sim is your answer tho

[dense atlas]

Dropping decoration or scale? Or dropping both for 2 damage trinks?

[lusty tiger]

[dense atlas]

For sure

Decoration is technically a damage trink

So scale is bait huh

[strong forum]

I've played decoration in 1 key yesterday

[cinder storm]

Yeah, whetstone for sure, sim the other one, deco is meh tho

[strong forum]

I'm beyond underwhelmed by it

[cinder storm]

The animation is kinda Pog tho

[dense atlas]

I have it like norm ilvl so I’m definitely not attached to it

I totally put like 2k valor into the scale tho

Haha

[strong forum]

Mine was mythic and it felt like I was using an lfr trinket

[uneven mason]

Never replacing my whelp

[lusty tiger]

[dense atlas]

Wait

Is whelp shell good for PWAR?

[lusty tiger]

It’s alright

[uneven mason]

Parses #1 in adorable

[strong forum]

It's not that good, he's just not replacing it

[dense atlas]

Oh we’re meming a little

In the afternoon

I’m down

[uneven mason]

Little tyke comes in and faceblasts for 100k

[strong forum]

Also I think spiteful storm is better than whetstone, but I've never seen anyone use it so I can't say for sure

[dense atlas]

I have a 424 spiteful storm on my bear and it does damage

For sure

[strong forum]

How much dps

If its around 3k or more, it's better than whetstone

[dense atlas]

It does about 1.5 - 2.5 k depending on the length of the fight

[strong forum]

:squint:

I've seen it do 4k dps

[dense atlas]

Usually for a boss fight I see it do 6-9mil damage

[strong forum]

1.5-2.5k seems hardly worth

[dense atlas]

Maybe I would need to check my sims

I don’t even have it on my warrior so it’s not even a though rn

Got a 415 scale and a pitiful 402 deco

[strong forum]

ya thats pretty shit ngl

[dense atlas]

Made this warrior 2 weeks ago and he’s 390 I’m rockin with what I got

I decided warrior was the play when I timed an 18 CoS last week at 385

I feel invincible for most of runs

Absolutely night and day from bear

[icy bane]

Been enjoying brew right now, definitely stressing to see my HP bar move so much

[dense atlas]

Bear is the same

But with bear the bar stops moving eventually

When it becomes 0

[robust lark]

I just out pumped a 406 balance druid and a 398 fury warrior as 409 prot in a 16 nok. Feelsbadman

[dense atlas]

Why you running 16s at 409?

Gear and primals ?

[robust lark]

primals

only 9 more

[dense atlas]

What’s the best crafted gear for PWAR?

[icy bane]

Wep/shield

[strong forum]

shield > weapon >

[dense atlas]

Oh shield first?

[robust lark]

I've got 418 sword/board/belt and 405 lariat right now

and 405 back/ring because why not

[icy bane]

Your best defensive piece because it’s the only thing with block

[dense atlas]

Word makes sense

I currently have a shield from raid finder

[robust lark]

get you one crafted big dog

[dense atlas]

Gunna get the last 6 concentrated primals this week

And make a 418 shield

[icy bane]

I think crafted order would be, shield >wep> *frostfire belt if you have raid rings) then whatever lowest ilvl piece and hardest to reliably farm

[dense atlas]

Any of you dudes see a random drop spark yet?

[icy bane]

Got one last week and one this week

[robust lark]

got one last week from dragonbane siege

[dense atlas]

Lmao what the f

I’ve done so much shit on both my chars and seen none

[icy bane]

Nothing on my monk yet but I do play him significantly less

[lusty tiger]

I gotta say after 3hr of shield slamming in raid hitting the brm in some keys felt nice

[uneven mason]

They're like legion legendaries, gotta reroll a new character to abuse blp

[dense atlas]

Blp?

[icy bane]

Bad luck protection

[robust lark]

would you guys say a 415 strike twice is better than 418 crafted sword?

[lusty tiger]

No

[icy bane]

Think 415 strike twice sims better

[sick sentinel]

is boots a safe spot for food?

[lusty tiger]

Weapon

Boots are fine probably

[sick sentinel]

nothing really special that drops from it right

like other boots, i already got boots crafted, they aren't good boots 399 vs 405

[lusty tiger]

idk how to describe my kink other than w this pic

[dense atlas]

My boys do be slammin

[lusty tiger]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes

[uncut thunder]

Im surprised the spread on Sophic vs Frozen between M+ and Raid. I would figure it would be the other way around

Stats for Raid and Frozen DPS blast thinger for M+

[mighty valley]

hey, just as a point of feedback. if you're willing to listen. i don't know if you noticed, but you wasted 5 rage due to overcapping on a shield slam. i'm sure if you really work on your play, you can improve as a player and a person 🙂

[sick sentinel]

does the amount of stars on contracts change anything

[lusty tiger]

Hehehehe

Probably a sneaky outburst

[mighty valley]

yes, the amount of rep you get per quest, it says it on the tooltip

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah, a small amount

and its a week buff

it hink right

[uneven mason]

Scuffed

Go back to bear!

[cinder storm]

I've seen better

[sick sentinel]

i normally don't use the vantus runes, or the feasts, or contracts

feasts because costs, other 2 cuz dgaf

[icy bane]

How do you see this chart on wlogs?

[lusty tiger]

Select ur guy > resources > change drop down from hit points -> rage

[icy bane]

Thank you

[lusty tiger]

you should consider some crafting

[sick sentinel]

bleh, nearly 6 of these 405 things, unless another one gets used recrafting, only gunna be worth gold after another month or 3

[silent anchor]

why does puzzle box sim well for us

[dense atlas]

Bait

Cast time is griefing

[sick sentinel]

I think you should be able to recraft orders account wide, but it requires 2 405 essences instead of one, and only works up to 405

[dense atlas]

Can we at least get account wide gold?

So I don’t need to constantly mail gold

So annoying

[sick sentinel]

recraft with the left over primal esence i mean like

[sinful gazelle]

i find some good windows in M+ for mine

[sand mason]

Ring ez take

Unless you don’t have 4set then helm

[silent anchor]

i did

[sand mason]

Pog

[silent anchor]

i have 4 set, chest and legs 421

my helm has a socket atm too

although both helms there have sockets

[mighty valley]

it is strong, at the cost of a hassle

[sand mason]

God damn

[mighty valley]

it's less of a problem for dps who can do it pre-pull

but you are doing the pull, so

[silent anchor]

i mean, you can prepull it tbh

[sand mason]

Maybe it was a helm angle with those sockets. The ring can drop

[silent anchor]

cast, charge, done

[mighty valley]

sure, but that's two seconds in which one of your dps might cast the hunt into the next pack and die

could be any class tbh

[icy bane]

Dps problem