protection

[toxic pewter]

I think it would show up under auras...

[urban portal]

Ilevel way too low

Prob not worth

[winged turret]

i mean, it was the second highest ilvl item in my vault lol

i'm not a high key pusher

[toxic pewter]

the belt and that ring is what I use and I enjoy it

Oh wait sorry I use the dps ring, but that ring is still good defensively.

[urban portal]

Yeah then take it

[winged turret]

I guess it kinda boils down to: the belt does provide a reliable proc for the ring, yes?

[toxic pewter]

its basically the only reliable way we have to proc the ring

[late surge]

can we use dslice as prot? is the apl done right for this spec?

[timber forge]

im actually have stats like; crit>haste
its better for me to use more defstance to balance def/aggro and help healers in pug? lol

[lusty tiger]

what?

[toxic pewter]

why would i want to help my healer lmao wat

[lusty tiger]

break that out into 3 sentences and maybe we can give an answer

[tender quartz]

Barbaric Training y/n? I can't decide I keep switching q_q

[lusty tiger]

no for everything except council

[tender quartz]

M+ sorry

[lusty tiger]

no

[subtle sparrow]

Just did SBG with friends and we got all the bugs. On the second pack, the pack on the floor below teleported up to us so we wiped. At the first spider pull, the two spiders from the floor below right before the worms telported up to us.

The death speakers that are spawned by the two guys before the second boss, they spawned 4 deathspeakers instead of 2

[uneven mason]

No, bt is a trap

[cinder storm]

Someone had a spell that was pulling in a Y axis, second pack can be pulled through the ledge so either someone did it on purpose or it was a spell, same with spiders but I've never had that happen, as for the deathspeakers if one is close to the other runes they will spawn four, best to wait til pat is almost on top of the one that's in front of the boss

[subtle sparrow]

We pulled one at a time

Both spawned 4

[cinder storm]

Ok that is weird

[amber siren]

It's not which you pull, it's where you pull it

If you pull it in the centre of the hallway of its pat it'll proc all 4 runes (2 in the front, 2 in the back)

[stiff gate]

418 fire damage/absorb ring, 408 icon, 411 grieftorch, idk what to take (i pretty much just do m+ and a pug heroic 7/8 each week)

[subtle sparrow]

They spawned on top of each other, two on each rune

Never seen it before

[stiff gate]

@subtle sparrow this can happen sometimes if someone touches the rune as theyre spawning, but ive also seen it occasionally happen without someone touching

[uneven mason]

Because the cast they do doesn't consume the grave

[cinder storm]

Nah that's def a bug, two adds spawned where one should spawn

[craggy kelp]

Si have crafted molten 1h sword and just got 395 Strike twice upgradeble one,do i use upg one or molten?

[cinder storm]

Strike is better against same Ilvl weap

[craggy kelp]

ye but could valor it to 405

[naive panther]

druids out dpsing us now

[cinder storm]

I'd save valor for now and get your 1h to 405

[craggy kelp]

i allrdy have 405 1h wep

[cinder storm]

It's dorki, he's built differently

[amber siren]

Valor is uncapping in like a week?

Not a big deal

[craggy kelp]

@cinder storm i allrdy crafted 405 1h sword

[cinder storm]

Then keep using that

You'd need a 405 strike twice to swap

[craggy kelp]

oki

[edgy bone]

Thank you!

[bold olive]

NO ring vs AA ring (no fire rings). I have a 415 Nokhud ring and a 405 AA ring w/ a socket and leech. Simming tells me to go with the AA ring @ 415. Any idea why that's not a combination we see more often? Edit: other ring is 415 COS ring w/ socket.

[silver vessel]

do you guys use execute as prot ?

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming your haste/vers are very high and your crit is low

[cinder storm]

Oh yes

[warm plinth]

In ST, yes

[silver vessel]

cool, yeah I do, but just wanted to make sure i'm not being an idiot hah

[cinder storm]

Just don't use it when you are rage starved

[warm plinth]

Yep, makes sense then. Socket is also a consideration

[lusty tiger]

how come tanknotes has no dathea guide still

[bold olive]

Is that really considered high haste? On the cusp of 415 ilvl. I have a 405 hoof that I'm using and a 398 toe from SBG sims as more DPS even with the AA ring, so I guess I did skew high haste.

[late surge]

how does spell block work? do we need to have shield block active in order to block spells? what counts as spells? is it any magic damage e.g. haunting gaze or dark claw?

[warm plinth]

well, unfortunately I'm assuming you're running ItF. But if you weren't, then yes, that's pretty high.

[bold olive]

I am not running ItF.

[warm plinth]

Then yes, that's pretty high

[bold olive]

I run ItF for one dungeon - and that's because I anecdotally get value out of it and bolster in AA.

[strong forum]

i would say court

cuz that dungeon has 0 tank dmg

[warm plinth]

You don't need it active, but to guarantee blocks, you do. Spells are generally any direct magic hit that isn't a DoT. It does work on both of your examples.

[strong forum]

and 2/3 bosses require you to stack up

[warm plinth]

You can also check the block/reflect sheet to know for sure what is/isn't spell blockable. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[late surge]

thanks for that chart

[shut wing]

which dungeons is it worth it to take bitter immunity?

just AA?

[warm plinth]

None. Just bring a poison dispel.

[bold olive]

I've never taken bitter immunity up to a 22.

[strong forum]

the only use case for bitter immunity is you running AA without a poison dispel

otherwise theres no point whatsoever

[shut wing]

cool

and what healers can dispell posion?

[warm plinth]

Druid/Evoker/Paladin/Monk/Shaman all can, healer or not, as long as they took the talent.

[slim dove]

dps can dispel poison too 🙂

[shut wing]

have they fixed battle scarred vet yet?

[warm plinth]

No

[cinder storm]

Priests are the only ones that can't afaik

[shut wing]

are you fukin serious.... they dont even have to be heals???

[warm plinth]

Nope

Only magic dispel requires you to be a healer

(or a priest via mass dispel)

[shut wing]

im gonna slam my head thru a wall

[slim dove]

[shut wing]

so many busted keys bc of that hahahaha

and two of my buddys i roll with are monk/shaman dps

[warm plinth]

Should be mentioned that shaman totem is a long CD (45 seconds), but I think it's still up for every other add wave? I'm not 100% on that

[cinder storm]

Dps can't kick, you expect them to also dispel/decurse

[slim dove]

shaman totem only does 1 application at a time.

[shut wing]

kk

[cinder storm]

Doesn't that clears one stack

[shut wing]

does the second wind talent come into play at all?

[slim dove]

never

[warm plinth]

No, we're always taking damage

[shut wing]

gah damn

[warm plinth]

Oh right, shaman totem isn't changed until 10.0.7 I guess

[cinder storm]

Maaaybe if you are five man tanking

[shut wing]

now whats the case for opting out of enduring alacrity

[warm plinth]

We never run that

[shut wing]

k why not tho? feel like the static staminc and armor is chill

[warm plinth]

Neither of those are significant, and you're losing out on focused vigor which is a FAR more impactful point.

5% stamina is literally irrelevant. 5% strength is huge

[lusty tiger]

Ur nickname just reminded me of https://youtu.be/KyDCFmie9fY

[shut wing]

i mean i just took both

[warm plinth]

So instead you're choosing 5% stam/armor and 1% haste over Battering Ram

Which again, is a FAR more impactful talent point.

[shut wing]

got it

switching now

[strong forum]

thats what andy runs in his 26s, he feels more comfortable with the 5% stam/armor

[lusty narwhal]

so guys i got a question, i have this trinket in my vault and its simming insanely high compared to my 411 spiteful storm, is it worth getting if its probably temporary (meaning im first up for icon in my prog guild.)? or should i go with a 3 itemlevel upgrade/socket?

[pallid quiver]

to be fair, i'd probably feel more comfy with the 5% more armor at that point, too

[shut wing]

i did it bc i liked the extra cushion with shitty pug healers lmao

[pallid quiver]

I don't know if it's better

but it'd make me feel better

[lusty tiger]

Please stop wearing fake Versace

[shut wing]

is pain and gain a dead talent at 410 ilvl with 4 piece?

[strong forum]

why would it

[warm plinth]

If you only do raid, just wait til after raid for the week. But if you do keys, icon probably isn't going to be your go-to trinket

Unless the rest of your group also uses it

[lusty narwhal]

what if all 3 roles have icon?

[warm plinth]

Then you would use it

[lusty narwhal]

my main prio is raid, i stopped trying to pushj keys past my weekly 8 20+ keys

[warm plinth]

I would probably wait til after raid. Would be dumb to take a trinket and end up only having it for a couple days or whatever

[strong forum]

icon if you have all 3 buffs is pretty good

defo worth

[shut wing]

just got a spark off a key. which weapon do i want to make? just the primal molten longsword yeah?

[strong forum]

any 1h

doesnt matter which

[shut wing]

word

[pallid quiver]

any of the one-handers, but sword's easiest to make

because more people have specced into swords

[warm plinth]

Blade is the most common specialty which is why it's the most common weapon crafted

[strong forum]

i crafted axe cuz im hipster like that

[pallid quiver]

i simply rolled a 421 wep from vault

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/tnbe.gif

[pallid quiver]

i'm only middle class; it's not strike twice, so

[tired forge]

strange question but nothing wrong with adding flavor pocket to crafted boots right?

i have 2 sparks and boots are my biggest upgrade

[strong forum]

nothing wrong with it, no

[shut wing]

whats the best ih enchant for prot?

1h

[strong forum]

sophic

[tired forge]

that was my thought, i saw a lot do it on cape

[shut wing]

ty king

[tired forge]

but wasnt sure any reason to do it there vs anything else

[olive scaffold]

hey everyone, what is the best time to use whetstone? Do you need to be enraged and standing in spear for example?

[warm plinth]

Yeah it doesn't matter at all where you put flavor pocket

[strong forum]

on CD

[tired forge]

but ill basically be stuck with 418 boots, seems fine though

[strong forum]

also, this is #protection

[warm plinth]

Wrong channel

[strong forum]

but your own enrage buff doesnt increase trinket dmg

only class dmg

[warm plinth]

Enrage shouldn't affect it though. The crit damage bonus might from spear though?

[lusty tiger]

Wb avatar?

[inland mesa]

Imagine having spear

[olive scaffold]

oh shit sry

[strong forum]

neither does avatar

or booming voice

[lusty tiger]

Wb thundering?

[strong forum]

thundering does

[warm plinth]

Thundering is all damage

[lusty tiger]

As so that’s how I hit the 600k maelstroms

[warm plinth]

Class CDs are whitelisted to only affect character spells.

But some things make it through the cracks, usually things that affect crit chance or crit damage

[lusty tiger]

Wings?

[warm plinth]

e.g. Between the Eyes for outlaw affects the crit chance of trinkets as well

[lusty tiger]

Can maelstrom crit for more than tooltip damage?

[warm plinth]

Of course. Tooltips assume non-crit.

[shut wing]

whats that?

[last nova]

are there any important talents for RLP +20?

[sick sentinel]

back in my day

we only had 5 combo points

[lusty tiger]

spellblock, but on fort week, and clean with cc/kicks you dont need it

[sick sentinel]

and we didnt even have them! had to put them on the enemy

[warm plinth]

Spell Block probably isn't a bad idea for first boss but it's not needed on fort week

[lusty tiger]

ye

[warm plinth]

We don't speak of this cursed time.

[lusty tiger]

^

[sick sentinel]

you don't miss flying trom 1 connected flight master to another?

and then repeating that 5 times

[last nova]

wrecking blow for the spinny add?

[lusty tiger]

classic is cool but needs a culmination of private server QOL fixes that blizz refused to implement most of classic

[warm plinth]

Well the whole point of classic was to be able to experience the original game. Not the original game with a bunch of enhancements.

[lusty tiger]

it worked during covid

but 65+hr to level doesnt cut it in 2023

[last nova]

that's true

[lusty tiger]

when the game actally starts at max lvl

[last nova]

people's mentality has changed

people want fast and now

[warm plinth]

The game doesn't really start at max level in classic though is the thing. People enjoyed the journey rather than the end back then.

Not that raiding wasn't a thing but raiding in classic is a joke compared to now.

[lusty tiger]

id rather raid on 3 maxed toons than spend potential raid time leveling through dire maul or sfk the 111111111111111111111th time

[last nova]

but wow classic has been min maxed to death

nothing new or exciting

[lusty tiger]

it's dad social hour

[last nova]

but when you get your whirlwind axe though

feels good

[lusty tiger]

yea for like 9 levels

[last nova]

Arcanite reaper! Hoooooo!

[warm plinth]

waits not so patiently for the 4 second swing timer

[sick sentinel]

considering the top 2 of those is only to 25, im gunna run out of stuff to do rep soon

[lusty tiger]

:dead:

[sick sentinel]

very behind on tuskarr, but i literal chose valdrakken 100% of the time for the bonus reward until lately for bonus rep lol

[last nova]

there was a 2h sword with an actually 4.0 swing timer

[lusty tiger]

bis twink wep i think

[last nova]

in vanilla

[uneven mason]

That's why ms, overpower, whirlwind all used weapon damage

[warm plinth]

A lot of weapons in classic had insane swing timers

[lusty tiger]

ya thats y u need rend buff and winfury to have fun

[uneven mason]

And warriors got big rage from damage taken

[lusty tiger]

molten core trash

[warm plinth]

tbf, 2h weapons still have long swing timers; the difference is that abilities don't stop the swing timer.

[sick sentinel]

i need another spark or another flavor

[lusty tiger]

in tbc i tanked a few black temple as zerk stance 2h arms

[uneven mason]

Only slam did that

[last nova]

1 minute swing timer but one shots the boss

[lusty tiger]

offtank more like it

[uneven mason]

Literally reminded me of a weapon in EverQuest that had a 15 second swing timer.

[last nova]

that sounds nuts, I never played ever Q

[warm plinth]

There were also the "on next melee" attacks which sucked ass

[toxic pewter]

are most people doing AV skip these days or what

[uneven mason]

It was overpowered, but not for players, you could trade it to necromancer pets, and then a fine steel dagger, it would use the damage of the 15s swing weapon but the attack speed of the dagger

[uneven mason]

You take that back!!! Heroic strike was the greatest ability to ever live

[last nova]

what's wrong with barbaric training?

[uneven mason]

It's bad math

[warm plinth]

It makes revenge incredibly inefficient

[last nova]

ok ok

[warm plinth]

The newer version was fine; the OG was terrible

Newer version was instant

[last nova]

so what to take instead?

thunderous roar?

[warm plinth]

what

Show us your build

[uneven mason]

Like just search what you just asked and you'll find several rants about why it's bad on paper, and worse in practice

Wait you don't already have tr?

[last nova]

BkEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFIQAAAAgkkQSCJtkSSSKFEBSBJSUSSAigE0QSCJAhAAAAAAAARCAoUaAgA

[last nova]

i been using shockwave as default

[warm plinth]

No, bad

This doesn't even have Barbaric Training wdym

[last nova]

no i just swapped it

it was + barbaric training and - TR

[warm plinth]

Swap rumbling earth to Thunderous Words and swap the bugged ass BSV to Battering Ram and Thunderlord to Bloodsurge (which is literally inting not to run)

How the fuck did you have any rage at all with BT and no bloodsurge

[last nova]

oh i was tanking eranog mythic

forgot to switch some stuff

[warm plinth]

Then Instigate rather than Bloodsurge

[pallid quiver]

i thought they made bsv less buggy recently-ish.

That being said, I haven't kept up with the talent, so

[last nova]

i normally run ITF

[pallid quiver]

ITF's a rough bet for M+

It's the go to in raid

[last nova]

ITF is my default for all content

[uneven mason]

Less buggy iirc still triggers based on premitigated DMG

[lusty tiger]

what is the damage potion we use?

[pallid quiver]

Power pot or Shocking Disclosure

Are the two usually used

Shocking can be better in AOE but is obviously less good in ST

[pallid quiver]

how the fuck would you keep shield block up in M+ with ITF, BT, and no Bloodsurge?

[lusty tiger]

prob doesnt

[last nova]

guilty 😄

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, to be blunt, that's one of the worst combinations of talents for keeping SB up

[last nova]

i'm working on that

my haste is 40% buffed

[chilly brook]

How about

You don’t do any work

[pallid quiver]

It's 40% pre-buffs

[last nova]

so shield block has like an 11-12 second cd

[chilly brook]

And you just run the actual m+ build

[pallid quiver]

if you want to think about ITF in terms of SB

[craggy kelp]

so i got this 405 helm,and this socketed one just droped,what do i do?

[chilly brook]

Like why are you making this harder for yourself

Just run the m+ build

[uneven mason]

Wat

[lusty tiger]

fk the socket

[last nova]

because i'm trying to learn theory

so i ask questions

[lusty tiger]

the answer is run m+ talents in m+

[pallid quiver]

You should start with looking at the base talents in pins, then ask from there

[haughty thicket]

I mean valor is uncapped next week

[pallid quiver]

Because your ideas and theories are flawed from the start

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m pretty sure that the talents are explained on Wowhead

[lusty tiger]

wowhead suggests bt

[chilly brook]

If you really wanted to dive into the why

[uneven mason]

Yeaaaaaa

[mighty valley]

people often just go there, copy a talent build, look at a bis list, and stop thinking

[pallid quiver]

The reason ITF is not suggested for M+ is because in order for it to be relatively secure for SB uptime, you need 40% haste before buffs, so purely rating, and it is only a minor DPS increase in AOE and likely a DPS loss in ST for M+ due to not being able to ensure 5 stacks at all times

[last nova]

how is BSV bugged btw? I only take it for progression content.

[chilly brook]

Because you don’t need to think much more about the talents to play well

[mighty valley]

you should probably think about barb training

[chilly brook]

Procs pre mitigated damage

[uneven mason]

It's triggering on raw DMG

[warm plinth]

It procs based on pre-mitigation damage. Which means it can proc at e.g. 70% HP even if your health barely moved due to DRs/blocking.

[last nova]

oh that is shit

[chilly brook]

TLDR silly talent

[last nova]

i thought it works like cheat death

[chilly brook]

Also never need it

Because you’re a warrior

[last nova]

it has saved my ass a few times ngl

[chilly brook]

And you stop damage before it happens

[pallid quiver]

Barbaric Training is a good talent, but only when we're overflowing with rage. While we generate a lot of rage, we currently don't generate enough to not lose casts of either Revenge or IP as a result, so it ruins our general economy

[warm plinth]

It' snot a cheat death.

[uneven mason]

If you're really lucky it procs through a critical block with max IP so you get to watch that CD tick away with 100% health

[warm plinth]

If you take damage that takes you from 31% to 0, you're still dead.

[neat gyro]

That makes sense, I was trying to use it on Mythic Kurogg the other night, and it procced at very strange times, i found it completely useless.

[chilly brook]

That would be because it is

[uneven mason]

It's very much useless

[chilly brook]

And I’m happy to say I was saying it would be mostly useless since beta

[last nova]

i used it for heroic ras progression a couple of weeks ago

[warm plinth]

Not to mention that generally we are a very sturdy tank that doesn't drop low, so it proccing is very likely a misplay on your part.

[dusky ether]

418 brood ring vs 421 crit mastery cloak

[uneven mason]

It's probably more useless now than that grip they gave us mid beta

[dusky ether]

I feel it has to be the brood

[pallid quiver]

And Thunderous Words is a massive DPS increase that outpaces the utility of either of the Shockwave upgrade nodes, so that point is pretty much always picked in both raid and M+

[warm plinth]

Which given how easy prot war is right now, shouldn't happen.

[last nova]

brood ring

[chilly brook]

Sim it

[last nova]

i seee

[slim dove]

brood ring is meh for us.

[pallid quiver]

I am currently playing with sims for my vault, because the only upgrade I have is a 421 ring

but i don't want to pick it because dammit, i spent so long getting that autoattack ring from cos, you can't make me give it up

[chilly brook]

The answer between the ring and the cape is to sim yourself

[uneven mason]

Generally if we've got 30% health and need the safety net from bsv, shit has gone so sideways you're probably the last person standing anyway

[dusky ether]

I’d really need both rings ideally to get the most of them right?

[pallid quiver]

nah screw defense ring

[dusky ether]

Yeah I’m gonna sim@after I do the 4 muthcis

[pallid quiver]

all about the blastin'

[dusky ether]

Incase a ring drops

[last nova]

sometimes BSV saves me from bad play

[warm plinth]

Does it though

[last nova]

like in TJS 3rd boss

[chilly brook]

Idk how it can save you from bad play

[lusty tiger]

TJS fort week prog, io/bsv is nice

[chilly brook]

When it procs at like 80% hp

[lusty tiger]

thats about it

[chilly brook]

So incredibly random

[mighty valley]

are we talking about the ring from broodkeeper or the ring from eranog that says "broodkeeper" on it

[last nova]

when it works it's clutch

[uneven mason]

But it doesn't, because it's proccing early so generally, you have to play badly for longer than the buff lasts.

[chilly brook]

But how do you know it works

When it’s randomly procing

[dusky ether]

The ring from broodkeeper is what I was talking about

I thought it was good

But I was apparently wrong

[warm plinth]

It's fine

[dusky ether]

😂

[slim dove]

its meh

[warm plinth]

But it's not amazing

[chilly brook]

It could proc on a pack at the end and then isn’t available for a kick you miss on the next pack

[last nova]

thanks for the information regarding BSV

[mighty valley]

the effect is completely free compared to a ring of same ilvl

[warm plinth]

I would use a better statted ring over it

Even if same level

[chilly brook]

It’s the definition of inconsistent and a bad talent point investment

[uneven mason]

Like burning money

[warm plinth]

(offensively ofc)

[chilly brook]

Also

Glad to see arms is crit haste btw

[dusky ether]

Oh it’s got mostly mastery on it that’s the bad part

[chilly brook]

That means I get to itemize the chad way for prot as well

[dusky ether]

I didn’t even look at the stats

[chilly brook]

Crit>vers baby

[uneven mason]

Makes swapping easier

[pallid quiver]

crit gang life

[uneven mason]

Crit always the bestest

[hardy turret]

Is 405 Ruby whelp shell better than 389 Decoration of flame?

[uneven mason]

Probably just from a raw stat perspective

The proc on Ruby whelp is pretty snazzy

[full crane]

Hello guys!! What is more worth rigth now to craft 418? Shield?

[slim dove]

yes, shield.

[uneven mason]

Ya

[hardy turret]

Ok thank you

[full crane]

Thanks ❤️

[lusty tiger]

@jagged pier disrupting shout on dathea 100% of the time? even for heroic?

[strong forum]

id say so

unless you can just omega burn dathea

or have a dk

[lusty tiger]

oke cool

does it replace challenging shout?

[chilly brook]

Member when everyone said it was a bad trinket

[pallid quiver]

isn't it still bugged for combat situations or something

[uneven mason]

Used it because they're bis for adorable

[pallid quiver]

like it's bad in M+ because it doesn't activate first minute or something?

[chilly brook]

Truuuuueeee

[chilly brook]

Even if that’s true, that’s a weird disqualifier considering how much damage it can deal

[warm plinth]

No, disrupting is an additional spell.

[uneven mason]

The little dude chunks

[lusty tiger]

and why bolster > shield spikes on grimtotem?

[uneven mason]

Wat

[pallid quiver]

No, like, the proc chance resets every combat and doesn't activate the first minute

So every pack, it won't activate for like a minute

[uneven mason]

I haven't noticed that

[chilly brook]

Neither have I

[pallid quiver]

I remember it being discussed before

[uneven mason]

But I'm not super active past few weeks

[chilly brook]

It procs on my monk

And I don’t do big keys where things last over a minute

[chilly brook]

Same but classic is dead to me for a while so now I’m a retail Andy again

[uneven mason]

I'll have to log some runs this week if I can manage to not have life be shit for 2 days in a row

[chilly brook]

Time to find a guild and get my woyer to be a big man

[pallid quiver]

guilds are for cowards

[chilly brook]

Big crits

[pallid quiver]

I haven't had a guild since Pandaland

[chilly brook]

I don’t like wasting time

Pugging is wasting time

[pallid quiver]

i simply don't raid

[chilly brook]

I also like doing mythic

[rapid pumice]

Hey guys, I was wondering what gems should you use in a lariat?

[chilly brook]

Prolly like

[rapid pumice]

3 green ones right?

[chilly brook]

The ones in the guide

[rapid pumice]

Ah than I must've glanced over it, sorry!

[jagged pier]

Ye

[lusty tiger]

how come bolster > tough as nails for grimtotem?

[uneven mason]

Mine didn't return after the mess of shadowlands

[chilly brook]

I only liked one of the guilds I was in in SL and it fell apart

[uneven mason]

I'm the god of nothing

[chilly brook]

At least I finally achieved CE

So now I’m hoping with the game in a much healthier state I can find a good place to raid

[uneven mason]

Time to go to a mega server

[chilly brook]

Although I’m just gonna be a 2h sword boi

[chilly brook]

Finding a tank spot is aids

It also makes me cranky

I get the fight down in 2 pulls while everyone else takes 40

[uneven mason]

Yeah I hear that although much easier as a warrior now than it was in bfa and sl

[jagged pier]

Because on kurog your tabk 100% of the time

And u dont drop itf

[lusty tiger]

ahh word

and is defender aegis on brood for p2 enrage or so u can outrange healers on trash or wut?

[jagged pier]

Thats the way to do it get all the gear cause dps and tank keys

[pallid quiver]

jakey's talking with his mouth full, smh
"tabk"

[jagged pier]

P2 on mythic

[chilly brook]

Then again me not tanking makes me cranky too because I watch mediocre tanks die to stupid shit or won’t do simple things to boost everyone’s dps through cleave

[uneven mason]

This is why I can't DPS or heal

[lusty tiger]

party mistakes make healing more fun

[chilly brook]

It’s actually the most infuriating thing in a raid is when 35 pulls in your tank mistakes cause wipes

[lusty tiger]

that should never happen

[chilly brook]

Unless it’s Sylvanas

Then it’s acceptable

[lusty tiger]

35 pulls should be doing the fight w your eyes closed

yea sylv was

somethin else

[chilly brook]

Sylvanas was…..

[lusty tiger]

but mostly dps 🌠

to the pit*

[pallid quiver]

One of these days I'll be able to DPS

first i have to get another spark for a 2h

because lord knows i ain't getting one as a drop at this point

[sick sentinel]

jusst remembered its fort explosive week

[uneven mason]

Explosives

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

kabooooommmmmm

[dusky canopy]

This week is free

[uneven mason]

Like

[dusky canopy]

Healers hate life but ehh

That’s their problem

[sick sentinel]

do we get IV triggers from kill an explosive

[toxic pewter]

if you get a good healer is just makes it so much easier

[uneven mason]

The only reason why I don't like explosives week is because I remember explosives resetting vr

[uneven mason]

No

[sick sentinel]

damn

[uneven mason]

Was warriors self sustaining week in bfa

We had top damage and heals

[dusky canopy]

Warrior owns

[sick sentinel]

bdk really is just arms with sw and deathstrike

[uneven mason]

Wat

[dusky canopy]

I’m about to try and alt one but man I’m so bad at BDK lmao

[uneven mason]

Yogibruh, somethings you say

Just, like, idk

[dusky canopy]

This man is taking massive bong rips before he comes and chats with us

[uneven mason]

Laced with some LSD

[sick sentinel]

duno about that party

part

its for my dungeon the party officer

[dusky canopy]

“I think we’re parked man”

[uneven mason]

Pull over

[dusky canopy]

Hey, is my driving okay??

[dusky canopy]

[uneven mason]

If anyone ever wonders what licking glass refers to

[sick sentinel]

This stuff can't be good for me... But I feel great!!, grabs a health pipe

[dusky canopy]

“Health pipe”

[sick sentinel]

yes, thats what its called in postal, and its clearly a crack pipe

[dusky canopy]

Literally my new phrase

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

it also makes you invincible to dmg once used

[uneven mason]

So there was a discussion a long time ago about the icon of ignore pain

[sick sentinel]

uh huh

[uneven mason]

I pointed out that it was a glove with glowing dust floating above it

Like angel dust

[dusky canopy]

No way anybody got the icon handy

Let’s judge this

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if i ever seen that

[atomic stirrup]

Does anyone know how the darkmoon deck box : dance works

if it procs the heal for us?

[dusky canopy]

It works best after you sell it for gold

[sick sentinel]

im stu ck on this dumb ass quest

i dunno how to keys

[dusky canopy]

Yoooo

[dapper vapor]

It's like glowing power in a clenching fist

[dusky canopy]

Dude warriors huffing speed and going bananas

[dapper vapor]

Everyone else gets a fundamental element of the cosmos to power their spells, warriors make do with some crank and a monster energy drink

[dusky canopy]

You couldn’t have picked a better meme for the ip icon

[modest coral]

got a Heroic Grieftorch from the weekly bag 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Ggz!

[feral dune]

is it worth taking ring or do i just take the shield and make the fire helm?

[uneven mason]

It was determined that our magic is

[dusky canopy]

If you do not have a reliable way to get a high item level shield then 418 shield is the play

[feral dune]

I tried upgrading to 418 but couldn't find anyone to recraft so i juust did lariat instead

[clever heart]

very stupid question. but what are better trinkets for damage parsing in farmable raids ?
Grieftorch + Whestone ? what other options would you replace whetstone with (dont have one)

[dusky canopy]

Also keep in mind ring is only really enabled if you run frostfire belt

[feral dune]

oh it's the belt?

[dusky canopy]

Ye

[feral dune]

bet

thank ya sir

[dusky canopy]

I parse 97-99% heroic with rumbling ruby and hoof as an example, better options exist

[urban portal]

The standard flat damage trinkets are good for parsing

With the occasional Ruby

[haughty thicket]

I would think you’d want the shield then craft the 418 signet if titanic insight

[clever heart]

I have a 402 rumbling ruby. but i have NEVER been impressed with its damage on details. maybe i just suck @ using it tho idk.

Hoof is good idea !

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason we take these

speed set go brrrrrr

[urban portal]

It gives attack power

Detail number does not matter

[clever heart]

OMG i didnt quite realize the AP was the more imporant part. im dumb.

[dusky canopy]

Ruby is a pretty solid option

[clever heart]

ok ill probs use grieftorch + rumbling ruby for my run tonight

[limber flame]

got 421 strike twice in my vault again kek

421 shield tho

ill take it

[restive plaza]

what spec should i open vault in? only do m+{

[limber flame]

do you have 421 shield?

[restive plaza]

pretty much everything

no shield

[limber flame]

if not id open as prot

[restive plaza]

no trinkets

[limber flame]

if you rather snipe dps trinket

open as fury

if you dont need a 1h

open as arms

[scenic mural]

Prot pally just dethroned us

Kiea is nuts

[naive panther]

haha

so 415 to 418 is like 7%

cause that sounds worth it to craft

i've been holding my last spark to get another to make a 2h so i can dps on occasion

[atomic stirrup]

no one knows how darkmoon deck box: dance works?

with the heal and dps proc

[sick sentinel]

no idea

to wow head comments

[atomic stirrup]

only one comment

[limpid anchor]

It jumps around if it goes on ally it heals

Guildie tested it today

Heal seems quite decent

[edgy bone]

@naive panther 415 to 418 is 7% damage reduction?

[naive panther]

no going of moomans logic, ask him

off

[edgy bone]

Bruh wut

Does that mean 415 to 421 is 14% damage reduction???

[shy python]

I did not find anything better than 379.
50x HoV - no shield 😶

[sick sentinel]

is the big sha adds, in TJS there is 3 of them

they spawn all kinds of adds

[turbid shuttle]

you can craft a shield at 418

[sick sentinel]

do those explosives

[shy python]

I used all my sparks on arms Gear + weapon. 😬

[edgy bone]

@strong forum is it true going from 415 to 421 iLvl is a 14% damage reduction??

I'm bouta loot prot for my vault instead of Arms for the first time ever

Permanent 14% DR sign me up

That pure gasoline

[tired forge]

do other prot warriors have issue with bleed damage from last weeks bosses?

[shy python]

DR through block?

[tired forge]

i hate being healer reliant but on a +20 AA last week i could barely survive the peck from the 2nd boss

for rage?

ya i think im wasting to many globals

maybe thats why

but i get rage starved and im just sitting there

[turbid shuttle]

it's the usual story. rotate defensives. use impending victory. maximize rage generation. be sure to spell reflect on the shout also.

[tired forge]

ok so if SS is on CD and i have an outburst

what do i do lol

[turbid shuttle]

go back in time

[tired forge]

lol

[turbid shuttle]

and don't put yourself in that situation

[turbid shuttle]

yup lmao

[tired forge]

i thought you SS on cd?

[sick sentinel]

before key sttars

whatever that means

[tired forge]

oooooooo

so i tool a break from my war and coming back, i mus thave forgot that

i thought it was random when using rage

[turbid shuttle]

keep an eye on your seeing red stacks. if you're close to getting an outburst you revenge/ip off your rage to proc, then SS back up.

[tired forge]

ok i see its on 8 stacks

yabut then i have no rage haha

[turbid shuttle]

the outburst SS gives like 50

[tired forge]

ok i jsut need to start watching violent outburst

ya but the bleed eats a full ignore pain

and lasts 7s lol

[turbid shuttle]

are you over-pressing IP? that's a very common cause of rage starving

IP isn't really a "I need defensives" button, in most situations. it's more of a "I need to burn rage before my next generator" button.

[tired forge]

ya i may be using IP too much

ya i am mostly in canguard

vanguard

i dont track it though so i probably need a wa for that too

i jsut tend to revenge a lot bc of m+ aoe threat

lol wait what

how does it hit but not hit

[turbid shuttle]

from what i can tell it doesn't even hit for damage unless you're right inside the boss

only after the 1st submerge though

pre-submerge it works normal

[paper herald]

I need to make a vanguard WA. I am pressing IP way way too much and my dmg is suffering super hard from it. Went from playing bear to warr and now we are on M Kurog and I feel like I am gonna fall over instantly if I dont IP spam.

[wet compass]

so is consensus that the jetscale stuff is a sim trap or is it actually worth fucking with for single target?

[paper herald]

That's not a bad idea.

[mighty valley]

man, five seconds is pretty short

would've been up all the time in shadowlands ez

[sick sentinel]

hello friends, i got a Ruby Whelp Shell from vault. It simmed better than my other items. Which ability should i train lobbing fire nova(AoE) or Fire shot(single target). I mainly run M+ so im assuming lobbing fire nova but just wanted to run it by my fellow warriors 🙂

[distant crystal]

shock the world and train haste

[south marlin]

Which ruby whelp shell proc y'all using?

[warm plinth]

ST

well, I'm using AoE actually, but you should train it ST 😂

[sick sentinel]

word to wise

pre-bird boss trash, AA, bursting go BRRRRR

extremely deleted us

[edgy bone]

@turbid shuttle how often do you press IP?

[heady gyro]

Train it ST, but but much better trinkets to us for M+

[edgy bone]

@warm plinth I thought we train it for hastr

@heady gyro like what are better?

[warm plinth]

ST is more consistent

Haste is fine if you want though

[heady gyro]

I think the uptime on Haste is not very good from what I read

[edgy bone]

@heady gyro it's about 16%

[sick sentinel]

whats ST uptime?

[violet summit]

damn do i take 421 crit haste boots or do I take the 421 fire dmg boots?

[nimble laurel]

Big Toe is simming pretty strong for me. Any reason more people aren't using it?

[turbid shuttle]

only to prevent overcapping rage, or sometimes there are specific tank-busters that I will throw one up before getting hit

[warm plinth]

There are better trinkets

[nimble laurel]

Simming better than blazebinder and hooves

[warm plinth]

In what? What kind of sim?

[sick sentinel]

i dislike the motif of it

[warm plinth]

I still wanna know how a worm has a big toe

[sick sentinel]

i mean, he killed something and thats whats left

[warm plinth]

No!

It says "Bonemaw's"

That means it's his toe

[nimble laurel]

5 boss 1 min and 1 boss 3 min

[sick sentinel]

yeah, it belongs to him

he was chowing down

he killed the guy and the guy all thats left is he toe

[mighty valley]

if i bought a dismembered thumb from a store, that would be my thumb

[warm plinth]

Are they all the same item level?

Listen why are you guys tearing apart my joke

[nimble laurel]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

Can't you just let it be

[mighty valley]

big toe is honestly fine, not surprised it's roughly on the same level as something like blazebinder's

[turbid shuttle]

just imo, I wouldn't sim 1 min. It over-weights stuff that synergizes with CDs. people do it because "track packs only last 1 min", but then you have multiple trash packs before CD come up. Just sim 5 minute and figure out what's better on average.

[mighty valley]

if it was beating grieftorch or whetstone i'd have more questions

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's an okay trinket. The crit is the strong part anyway

and a lot of pwars have low crit because they're 🤢 vers stacking

[mighty valley]

don't say that around the children!!!

[nimble laurel]

I am considering using it with whetstone

[vestal rover]

so for my vault tmrw, should I go arms or prot loot spec? I got 418 wep and shield but trinkets I'm sitting at a 395 alltotem and 398 ruby whelp

[mighty valley]

still think there are overall more trinket hits for dps spec

plus 2h weapons are better for both offspecs if that ever comes up

[vestal rover]

yee that's what I'm thinking

[violet summit]

If you’re never going to sniff mythic broodmother, would y’all take the 422 fire dam ring from vault or crit haste 421 boots?

421*

[mighty valley]

fire dam ring, you can get good boots anywhere

why does broodmother come into it

[violet summit]

The fire shield ring drops from brood

[urban portal]

Yeah can get boots anywhere

[mighty valley]

how does this affect your current choice

[sick sentinel]

so what command should i be training my whelp for best results in mythic+

[vestal rover]

cause in the long run brood ring + 421 boots would be better option I assume

[mighty valley]

? no, the eranog ring is the especially good one

and again, lots of sources of 421 boots

[vestal rover]

oh yeah nvm I'm mixing the stats up

[reef holly]

Do dps not understand bursting

[undone verge]

brood ring is all defense, only benefit is ilvl and stats

[undone verge]

no'

[violet summit]

I figured most would be running brood ring +crafted

Or jewel

[mighty valley]

the defensive benefit isn't spectacular

obviously it's free on top of normal stats, so it's good compared to same ilvl

but eranog ring is like another embellishment's worth of dps

[grave flower]

Worth more than 1% you see from embellishments

[mighty valley]

yeah, better in many situations

[grave flower]

Fire dps ring is worth like 3.5% dps ~

With belt****

[vestal rover]

is the ring from HC better than a 421 ring with good stats?

[violet summit]

I see. Would optimal ring setup be eranog ring +crafted/jewel?

[grave flower]

Ilvl > whatever

[vestal rover]

well usually yes, but with rings not having mainstat and the effect of it?

[mighty valley]

if you're not getting to mythic brood, i'd wear eranog + 421 with good stats

[grave flower]

Idk the cutoff of ilvl for rings vs grabbing fire ring.

I haven’t seen an eranog so I’m rocking jewel and crafted. 415 and 418

[craggy pilot]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html#trinkets
i love that all trinkets used are from raid, except Whetstone 😄

and then for some reason Enduring Scale 🤔

is Enduring Scale good when you start pushing 22+?

[undone verge]

probably not

probably codex situation

[craggy pilot]

oh it being good on other tanks, so people think its good on warr?

[undone verge]

id assume so, as well as maybe its good at like 27s so people assume its good in 22s

[craggy pilot]

kinda sad the best trinkets i have is Bonemaw Big Toe + Whetstone 🤔

and not really gonna get any raid trinkets

[glass spear]

it does quite a bit of healing but damage is very poor, on top of it not being controlled healing makes it just alright

[ionic roost]

Codex was bad because it had no mainstat

[turbid shuttle]

if you're doing world first keys living can be a real constraint

[craggy pilot]

idk if HC raid trinkets beat out a 415 Bonemaw Big Toe

[turbid shuttle]

for the average player, or even above-average, just play better. but world first players have mostly squeezed that juice already.

[mighty valley]

codex was bad on both angles, it had no mainstat, but also its effect was based on post-mitigation damage

which we take the least of

[turbid shuttle]

that may be the case for war, but the same argument about codex bad was made in the dh disc, despite them taking asstons of post-mitigation damage

[craggy pilot]

if im going for M+ trinkets mainly, what 2nd trinket would i get after Whetstone? 🤔

[round pendant]

Rumbling Ruby is pretty good, All-Totem, Grieftorch, Boon

[turbid shuttle]

m+

[undone verge]

grieftorch sucks in m+ imo at least

theres never a time to use it

[craggy pilot]

😄

[undone verge]

unless on bosses

[craggy pilot]

i said if im going for M+ trinkets

not raid trinkets

[round pendant]

oh I thought you meant trinkets FOR m+

lmao

[mighty valley]

huh, what are the good passive m+ trinkets

[turbid shuttle]

blazebinder, big toe are good

[round pendant]

Big Toe isn't bad, Puzzle Box, Ruby Whelp shell, Blazebinder's Hoof

puzzle box is unfun to use

ruby whelp is good but takes a week to train

[turbid shuttle]

I really want to get a puzzle box just to see what my crit blocks goes up to

[sick sentinel]

crafted teleport ring today took me back to sunwell again

[old marlin]

can somebody link me raid build and m+ build?

pls

[mighty valley]

check pins

[craggy pilot]

hmm, guess i could upgrade my Big Toe

415 Big Toe vs 402 Rumbling Ruby 🤔

[turbid shuttle]

last time I simmed trinkets big toe was best for me

also don't have any raid trinkets

[craggy pilot]

ye big toe is sick in ST i believe

for dmg

[round pendant]

It's pretty good in aoe too

[craggy pilot]

and the stat bonus is also pretty good in AOE cus its just stats

its better than Whetstone in AOE

[sick sentinel]

what ruby whelp command should i train ST or AOE if i mainly do mythic+

[craggy pilot]

cus Whetstone DMG splits out

[craggy pilot]

ST, Haste or Crit

[round pendant]

boon is unfun to use (imo) but it's worth killing HC dathea for a decent one if you get lucky

[craggy pilot]

even in an AOE pull, the ST is still beneficial because of prio dmg

[round pendant]

imo

[craggy pilot]

and if you have AOE trained whelp, it will be shit for bosses or small pull dungeons

so better overall to go ST

or Crit or Haste

[craggy pilot]

idk i just dont like having low ilvl trinkets when i can get 415-421 from dungeons 🤔

[round pendant]

yeah it feels bad in that regard

but boon is kinda nuts

uncapped aoe damage

[mighty valley]

flashbacks to still running a normal ilvl aegis in sl s2 since no others would drop for me

[round pendant]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[craggy pilot]

ye i did the same 😄

[round pendant]

5 target trinket stats

[craggy pilot]

had normal Aegis the entire season

[round pendant]

The bone wall is fucky

Either charge straight-on or not at all

[craggy pilot]

if you take away the Mythic ILVL Boon, then it becomes a bit more normal i think

Big Toe 415 is 8% increase, and boon is 10%

😄

close enough not to charge?

you mean you have a charge/shieldcharge macro?

[round pendant]

Yeah but boon can scale past 5 mobs infinitely, big toe gets split evenly

So boon can selectively be really good for certain dungeons

[craggy pilot]

big toe gets split?

wdym its pure Crit

[round pendant]

That's true

[mighty valley]

bloodmallet charts are devoid of context, better off just simming available trinkets on your own character

[craggy pilot]

and boon also roots and kills you if you use it wrong 😄

i think im gonna try Whetstone + Big Toe from tomorrow

[round pendant]

Just don't use it wrong tehe

[craggy pilot]

unless i find something insane in my vault 😄

[round pendant]

yeah I don't like boon tbh

big toe is good choice

[craggy pilot]

how?

[round pendant]

I've used boon a lot, but I'm stuck with a 395 one too

[craggy pilot]

can i do more custom shit than this?

[round pendant]

rn I'm using rumbling ruby + all-totem for m+

[craggy pilot]

like fx i wanna filter Mythic Raid out only

[turbid shuttle]

all-totem is fantastic for m+

[mighty valley]

i have a ~380 lil fdk alt that got heroic boon from a dungeon event box, it's routinely like 12%+ of her overall dps in a key

[round pendant]

3rd boss on TJS is terrifying at the point where you've used all your CDs and the dps haven't phased it yet

[arctic marten]

Neither Unstable Frostfire Belt or Seal of Diurna's Chosen give haste, which is used for rage generation. How would this affect defensive value?

[round pendant]

crit is good for defense, right?

[turbid shuttle]

gives parry

[round pendant]

and vers is good in general

[edgy bone]

@astral atlas ok arm wrestle me then

[arctic marten]

Abilities that tanks have trouble with (ex. Jade Serpent Strike, Savage Peck) are conveniently not affected by parry

[round pendant]

yeah it only did like 3% of my dps in a dungeon just now

but I don't know what else to use really

maybe I'll too upgrade my big toe

I have All-Totem 408, 402 Ruby, Big Toe 398 (can upgrade np), 405 Hoof, 402 Decoration, 395 Boon,

[slim dove]

ruby is def sim bait

[round pendant]

run like 30 CoS and no windscar sadge

[slim dove]

tank 20s for me and ill play arms and trade it

[round pendant]

Monkas

[slim dove]

can inv a dh with it also

[round pendant]

I need better gear before I get into 20s

[slim dove]

and an hpal

and a hunter

🤷

[broken light]

WAIT is ruby actually bad? ive been using it all expansion :(

[slim dove]

its not bad.

[broken light]

it does %2.5 to %3

[round pendant]

It did 5% in SBG for me

[slim dove]

its just strictly worse then all totem and windscar.

[broken light]

oh ok, next you will tell me all totem is bad cuz im in love with it

[slim dove]

all totem is bis for m+

its bad in raid.

outside of broodkeeper i guess

[broken light]

for strictly m+speaking, what would be ur trinket choices

for damage

i run totem and decoration of flame rn but i dont find myself needing the absorb

[slim dove]

all totem and windscar.

decoration is meh

[turbid shuttle]

does ruby not normally hit all enemies?

[slim dove]

its "good" for 2 bosses

[turbid shuttle]

most of the time everything is in front of you

not super familiar with the trinket. don't have one.

[broken light]

i guess crawth and ruby life second boss? Lol

[turbid shuttle]

right fair enough

[slim dove]

tjs 3rd and ruby 1st.

[broken light]

you just proved im a noob

[slim dove]

we're all noobs.

[broken light]

i like that approach

ok one more question, i lost %15 vers in favor of %15 crit recently (playing arms this week) is it horrible?

[slim dove]

no its fine.

[uncut thunder]

Oh interesting someone else here told me to use that. Should we just be using Patchwork?

[slim dove]

i have 6% vers and nothing short of 22+ tyr bosses make me think

[broken light]

ive been just stacking haste/vers didnt think about anything else

[slim dove]

same can't be said for the rest of the group but 🤷

Arms wants crit/haste almost equally with mastery third. Mastery is a fair bit better in m+.

[broken light]

hmm is mastery worth anything for prot?

[slim dove]

its fine

we have no "bad" stats

[robust lark]

I race changed and changed my character name today not considering the implications for raiderio and my raid progression. Feels bad. Guess I'm a noob again to pugs until the armory refreshes...and even then I'm not sure what all will carry over

[clever heart]

For m+ 18-20 Key range i still need to make sure to have around 1 K mastery right ?

i have heard we want 1k mastery minimum.

[broken light]

ppl like u make me like class discords lol, too helpful

[robust lark]

Yeah my m+ score shows and top dungeons but raiderio doesn't see anything apparently til the armory updates. Which could be hours to days to weeks if I'm unlucky lol

[slim dove]

monk discord is awful

3 sub channels for each spec and powertripping mods.

rogue discord unironically the best because they literally have a dev in there daily

its quite amazing

how far they will go to optimize 0.1% dps

[broken light]

dude i love the rogue discord

i think there was a guy there that simmed every possible situation existed in every universe

[strange owl]

anyone raid in battle stance or nah

[slim dove]

always

i go def stance for thunderous blast, thats it

[robust lark]

Almost exclusively

[slim dove]

literally the most boring raid from a tank standpoint lul

[sick sentinel]

what about mythic+ always in Def or nah?

[slim dove]

tho tanking heroic broodkeeper at 401 ilvl solo was fun

[slim dove]

always battle outside of tankbusters.

Treat def stance as a defensive CD

[strange owl]

ty for info

[robust lark]

I swear I tell warriors in pug raid every week they should stop using defensive stance and 3/4 of the time they think I'm totally full of it despite explaining it in the simplest terms possible

[warm plinth]

This is why I don't generally try to help randoms. 90% of the time they don't give a shit anyway

[robust lark]

I am starting to give up on it yeah

[old flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz I'm thinking the chest?

[robust lark]

I'd kill for that chest. Only piece I have below 405 is chest now. Feelsbad

[slim dove]

literally everything else is nothing so yes chest.

id pick socket over chest though.

[uncut thunder]

Damn I can’t imagine. We were doing the two on the boss method I was 399.

[old flame]

Yeah socket makes sense, it's what 6? coin?

Can get a socket for my signet of melandrus

[robust lark]

It does make it feel a lot better on boss. Stresses the healers out less if they're still learning the fight and trying to position/keep you topped/get the whole raid

[uncut thunder]

How are you rotating your CDs and on what sets of eggs not to get chunked by the stacking debuff?

[slim dove]

now? idk i just press stuff lul

broodkeeper heroic at 414 is a snooze.

[uncut thunder]

That would assume a second tank though.

[robust lark]

I got a guild that's 7/8H and it's nice not to pug every week now, but damn I wanna just get rasz h done. I'm 2/8M pugging but still can't pug rasz heroic. 50+ pulls and have never gotten back to the first platform. I know the fight like the back of my hand but still the best rasz pugs won't take me because no AOTC. Feelsbadman

[uncut thunder]

I just broke 400 so I still think it will be really tough as solo.

It has been hard even as dual tanking her

[robust lark]

Yeah I've gotten so close but every time we get close a few people leave and we have to start from scratch again. This week I might just form my own and go for it. What's recommended heals/DPS numbers you think, if I want to form a rasz h pug? 5 heals prolly? Smaller is better I think but hmmm

[urban portal]

shadow priest has beaten rogues in the sweat

they have optimized sims for each individual dungeon

so each dungeon has a "best talent"

the sim itself is good

[slim dove]

thats a fault of the spriest talent page being absolute ass.

[urban portal]

sure but they perfected their APL to that point is still very impressive

rogues are definitely first in general tho

lmao

thats funny

to be fiar

people just barge in and ask "who pi best on"

and never contribute other wise

[cunning canyon]

is Sustaining Alchemist Stone a good trinket for pure survival (as pure verst trinket) if I dont have access to raid trinkets?

Proc rate got buffed or something recently?

[urban portal]

oh twins being standard for dps?

they developed the APL for it so you can paste your own MDT route in there

and itll be "fairly" accurate

idk what they are using

but you can do this yourself

which is literally the closest thing you can get to an actual dungeon sim

and the simc devs are pretty supportive of it

im sure rogues can use it too

but this is still a lot of effort

[slim dove]

spriest and rogues spending all this effort to be gud

[urban portal]

most APL suck too much weiner to use it

[slim dove]

meanwhile feral channel of the druid discord discusses different strains of weed every day

and posts pictures of cats

[forest tulip]

spell block for wind boss on NO?

[slim dove]

no

[urban portal]

prot would probably be fine

but thats just the nature of the rotation

would just need some minor optimization like holding avatar when shits dying soon

[round pendant]

Feel like I won't be doing dungeons this week

Those affixes

or maybe I'll just spam +16 SMG to get some concentrated focuses

[stoic rover]

What would make the bad tanks really bad?

[round pendant]

not pressing buttons

[slim dove]

? its an easy week for the most part.

[round pendant]

Is it?

Fortified sucks and explosive sucks

[slim dove]

fort forces you to slow down a bit and explosive is easy

last week was cringe as fuck

[stoic rover]

I’ve bumped into several people pugging that only use defensive stance. That’d impact parsing pretty heavily yeah?

[round pendant]

dude last week is the least fun I've had this entire expansion

I think I'm picturing "fortified" in my brain as fortified + bolstering

lmao

I'll give this week a shot but we'll see

[warm plinth]

we can sim accurately (for the most part) with MDT sim

I asked Nome about it last night and he said we can use it

[round pendant]

Yo why these bone bois hurting like fuck in SBG +16?

I can just step away right?

or is it like dark claw and you get clapped the instant you go back in range

[slim dove]

you can step away.

[marble cipher]

Quick question, spell reflect, does it need to be pressed before the cast starts, or before it finishes?

[warm plinth]

Before it finishes

[marble cipher]

Kk

[lethal knot]

I’m one of those people (at least in the general sense) I’m still running lower keys on my warrior, so it’s not been a huge deal yet… but is the consensus to stay out of defensive stance unless you’re about to get big ouchie?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Which part of that do you take issue with is my question

[forest tulip]

its so frustrating for people to dip on m+ when the slightest thing goes wrong

[warm plinth]

Because you can't really sim an actual real scenario

[nova vector]

Random question. Does Strike Twice count towards the embellishment limit?

[warm plinth]

Every sim is in a vacuum so it's best case scenario obviously. But it's a lot closer than you can get just doing random 1-10 target sims for the purpose of actually simming a dungeon.

[warm plinth]

There's no such thing as a non-crafted embellished item.

[nova vector]

Hmm. Makes sense

I have a lariat. Should I do wrist or belt with it? I do have the ring that pro s with fire damage

[warm plinth]

Then belt

[nova vector]

Thanks!

[robust lark]

I like seeing the little circle from the frostfire belt. It's like our own little consecrate AOE. Who needs pallies anyway

[tulip egret]

is Gift of Radiance any good for warrior, prot or arms?

[warm plinth]

Not really

[tulip egret]

so I take socket then, did't have time to play last week and got one item on my 421 slot, it was Gift of Radiance

[warm plinth]

what are your current trinkets?

[tulip egret]

418 deckmoon inferno box and 415 windscar

[warm plinth]

ah

[round pendant]

+17 SBG and things start to hurt when they hit me cause I dropped sb

and ignore pain feels fucking useless (I know it isn't)

but it immediately gets cleared

Wonder if this number means anything

[undone verge]

probably got hit with a deathblast or void bolt if its flying off

[sand mason]

I feel like every key parse is 95%+

[round pendant]

Well it depends on what you're looking at