protection

[sick sentinel]

and if they face group, they delte your group

its never ever a + value to put your self or not get your self/group out of described situation

[inner hound]

pretty sure spell block is 360

[sick sentinel]

so, to me, its just something i never want to do to begin with, its a compltely zero question for me if i want to be behind mob or not, only if its has some stun effect on it like birdo AA

[modest grove]

So enemies on my sides will ignore my shield?

[deft hinge]

enemies on the backside of ur side will ignore shield

[sick sentinel]

you can back peddle, or circle strafe left or right

to get all monsters face you

[modest grove]

So like the last picture

W=shield

[sick sentinel]

poggers mspaint

which boss or whatever is this about this ms paint

[deft hinge]

haha

[sick sentinel]

it gets affected by crit block and shield block, so i've always believed it's frontal

because, thats how blocking and shield block works

so, my logic goes that, spell blocking is that, but for a magic fire ball

[deft hinge]

the block is from ur character, not the shield, so put a line trough ur chars head seen from above u should get it right

[sick sentinel]

im always going to use it frontally

cuz its got a shield icon as well, i could be wrong

[strong forum]

It ain't

Spell Block is block but for spell

[sick sentinel]

if @strong forum says something, probably a wise idea to listen if its to do with mechanics of the game

[strong forum]

Block only works if you face the enemy

[lime urchin]

why does it exactly need the raid ring? the tooltip doesnt mention this, but I also did not really read much more about it

[sick sentinel]

this guy is very smart when it comes to wow encounters

[lofty widget]

frostfire belt is the only (cheap) way for us to proc the raid rings

which do good dmg

[sick sentinel]

whenever the 3 socket ring comes out 1 of the many gems for it might be to deal more fire dmg

[lime urchin]

ah I see, I have seen that written here before. so I can safely craft the belt, even without the raid ring.

[sick sentinel]

and i think they may continue down the same line of "when you do fire dmg" or frost, or nature...

[strong forum]

I'm rly worried for that System

[sick sentinel]

i am worried, and also not at all

we used to do a quest in TBC, get a blue chest peice with 5 total sockets

2 red 1 yellow 2 blue

maybe it was only 3

[plush tendon]

me no like systems

but me do like mana for my healer

so theres that

[deft mortar]

bruh gemming isnt a system

gems just gems

[strong forum]

Hah.

If only

[plush tendon]

yea, but they special gems

[sick sentinel]

we've handled way stupider systems and survived

[modest grove]

Aha, i see, this makes thighs different, because the angle is now wider

[plush tendon]

also takes up a ring slot.... what do I give up?

[edgy spear]

Yes. The DPS gain from the belt is about the same as from the other embellishments and thus the ability to proc the rings is just a nice bonus you wont get from the other options.

[plush tendon]

fireball ring or auto attack

[strong forum]

There are 30 gems, all do diff things, you're limited to 3. Acquisition is I believe unknown and the importance of them

[plush tendon]

[hazy thicket]

Perhaps naively hoping that the new gems only work on the forbidden shore or w/e it's called

[deft mortar]

sounds like diablo 3 bs

[strong forum]

I hope the same

That they're not active in relevant content

[plush tendon]

I just want a affix that gives resto druids mana

[sick sentinel]

what if instead the ring, is you only start with its a normal shitty purple ring, and then you upgrade it to it has the magic type socket, next upgrade is a regular socket, and if you are JC you can add the last socket

3 magic gems in 1 ring, is a bit over power

[oak echo]

yeah it would feel very weird introducing something that impactful this far into a season

[plush tendon]

it might be a good idea though?

since prog is mostly done

[oak echo]

true

[plush tendon]

introducing more power for the rest of us

doesnt affect the top end

and maybe pushes people over the hump in prog

and if its well received or works, they can continue it in the next .1 patch

[sick sentinel]

make the ring non DE and sellable to vendor too

[oak echo]

yeah that's true. i think right now it's more just that it hasn't really been done before that i can remember recently but very true it doesn't have to be a bad thing

[sick sentinel]

not until very very end patch of this expnasion

[hazy thicket]

The domination shard wounds are still fresh is the issue

[plush tendon]

timing is super weird, but that may be the one thing that I see as good

gives us all time to acquire and try it before a major patch

[uneven mason]

Oh a borrowed power system?

[plush tendon]

the ring gem thingy

in 10.0.7

[uneven mason]

No thanks

[plush tendon]

dont cry, one of them gives fire damage!

[sick sentinel]

make a short story as to why these rings exist is my thing

[oak echo]

i think my gut reaction to it is more about like introducing stuff that could shake up balance and meta than anything else. but if it's the same relative power increase for everyone then it's fine

[plush tendon]

as long as its not like dom shards

[sick sentinel]

doesn't have to be alot, just why these rings are forged

[plush tendon]

where you needed a set

then had to upgrade said set

which took lke 8 week to do

[oak echo]

if they haven't learned what was bad about dom shards by now

there's no hope

[strong forum]

The dumbest part was

The sets didn't work in m+, but the gems still did

[oak echo]

yeah

[strong forum]

Like... Huh?

[plush tendon]

Remember the shield gem

[sick sentinel]

nop

[plush tendon]

or the extra damage on new mobs

[oak echo]

i do low key miss the shield gem

[sick sentinel]

200% no remember shield gm

300%

[uneven mason]

If they haven't learned that borrowed power that has to be ground out is bad

Any bp really

[hazy thicket]

Or that doesn't have deterministic acquisition

[strong forum]

The main issue is, is that blizzard said they're not gonna add borrowed power besides tiersets

[plush tendon]

I think overall, really cautious about these gems and rings.... but I do like that its coming in a minor patch rather then a major patch

[strong forum]

And then this

[grave knoll]

another question: i know basic routes for most dungeons from a DPS perspective. but i figured a tanks job in pugs is knowing stuff. whats a good source of state of the arts strats/routes except watching streams?

[oak echo]

a grind is one thing. but not having any sort of catch up mechanic and being permanently behind if you weren't on top of your shit

[sick sentinel]

shame indelible victory sucked so hard its never comiung back to wow lol

[plush tendon]

watch streams and trial and error

[oak echo]

if you're looking specifically for "what are the high key people doing", then it's streams, experimenting, guides from said streamers, etc

[deft mortar]

main tank players never see each others routes kekw

[plush tendon]

there are some basic barebones routes out there like Quazzi or Raiderio to get you started, but you just got to expierment

[plush tendon]

not with that attitude!

[deft mortar]

Idk about the whole route thing cuz most dungeons are pseudo linear

[sick sentinel]

as long as they dont do LITERAL what they did in shadowlands

[plush tendon]

I can pump some arms

[uneven mason]

This, but grind is worse, I'm enjoying df because for the first time since legion I feel like I can play how I want, when I want and not feel like it's a job where I'm in shit if I didn't grind my ap for 5 hours today

[plush tendon]

and critique some other guys route

[sick sentinel]

make the gems only matter for JUST 10.1 / 10.2 whatever

then its like, ya didnt learn nuthin at all

[uneven mason]

You don't want to DPS m+

[plush tendon]

Sometimes you gotta

I recruited a bunch of tanks to my guild

last expansion

[uneven mason]

The amount of flipper handed tanks out there that point frontals into the group

[deft mortar]

They should make DPSing M+ more fun so there is less off-spec weekend tanks ngl

[plush tendon]

our limiting factor now is healers.... but we figuring it out

[deft mortar]

Competing with me smh

[sick sentinel]

then the key depletes, then it happens 4 more times, then they start to pay attention and NOT do that shit

what happend for me at least

[plush tendon]

but arms is super fun

[deft mortar]

Aren't 365k Shield Slam crits fun?

[plush tendon]

and lets me use my haste/crit gear to good use

[daring marlin]

Chad

Arms is fun af again

[plush tendon]

The 10.05 changes were really good for them

though Im not sure what the point of slam is anymore....

[deft mortar]

Slam never had a point

[plush tendon]

and thunderclapping is a bit weird

[deft mortar]

its like mortal strike

soryr i meany

Mortal COil

[daring marlin]

No point until a new tier set prolly

[deft mortar]

for DKs

Death Coil

[sick sentinel]

i keep sending all my VO's into TC cuz TC requires no target to cast, so its a yeet misfire often if on boss logs

[deft mortar]

dont ask me to cite some other specs spells smh

[daring marlin]

I love tclapping as Arms.

[slim dove]

Arms is giga fun.

200k 5 target cleave all day

[daring marlin]

📈

[split remnant]

Hi guys

Spell block. What does it do exactly?

[jagged pier]

makes u blocks spells like u block melees

[strong forum]

Is block but for spell

Nothing fancy

Literally just that

[timber forge]

any tips for explosives week playing prot? best spell to destroy or only melee lol

[heady gyro]

throw

[oak echo]

only thing i really did differently for explosives last time was made a mouseover for heroic throw to snipe far away ones

[heady gyro]

Throw ones shot them.

[sick sentinel]

somone feel like testing titanic throw to kill explodes

[mental scarab]

Resto druid

[sick sentinel]

i don't blame u if not

[mental scarab]

Best for exp

[split remnant]

But it doesnt block frost bolts from first boss in Ruby.

[oak echo]

yes it does

[timber forge]

thanks

[plush tendon]

Spell block is siq for first boss RLP

[split remnant]

So am I just insanely unlucky, 😄

[strong forum]

You still need to use shield block

[lofty widget]

gotta have Shield block up as well

[oak echo]

there's no luck involved unless you aren't pressing shield block

[strong forum]

And face the enemy

[sick sentinel]

cinderbolts is only thing i have to say about rlp

[timber forge]

any advice to a beginner tank about burstings too? lol avoid kill all enemys at the same time?

[split remnant]

So I gotta use shield block + spell block and it blocks 100% of frost bolts or just the chance of shield block aka around 50%?

[sick sentinel]

they will kill your key

[plush tendon]

they will?

[oak echo]

shield block is 100%?

[plush tendon]

The trash upstairs in RLP hasnt felt nearly as bad

[strong forum]

Shield block increases block chance by 100%

[split remnant]

Read it again Brotato

[sick sentinel]

yes, if you don't kick them on fort, they will nuke hell out of ppl

[oak echo]

you said around 50%

which isn't a real thing

[plush tendon]

but you know what kills my RLP keys? The resto druid dying, releasing, and spending half and hour running around the circle

[oak echo]

that's not what shield block does

[plush tendon]

oh, and then last boss performance anxiety

[sick sentinel]

last boss RLP is tough

[oak echo]

unless you're asking about base block % without shield block, which again isn't a real thing if you play with SB up at all times

[strong forum]

Idk what you're asking Furm but lemme explain
Shield block increases block chance by 100%, meaning you block all blockable dmg if you face the enemy and enable the dmg reduction of however high your block value is (at 418+ its around 42%)

[sick sentinel]

just get 8000 mastery and then you have 75% block chance base anyways

[dusty summit]

whos ready to get some shit in the vault

[plush tendon]

Im getting All Totem

I can feel it

[sick sentinel]

411 408 408

[strong forum]

If you press spell block , you can now block spells, also being reliant on block chance and value to determine how much dmg you block and how often

[plush tendon]

[oak echo]

i finally got a whetstone last night so now i'm ready to get it in vault too

[plush tendon]

If I dont get it, then its dropping tonight on Kurog

[sick sentinel]

ah, gues i go play diablo 2 ressurected for 2 hours

[oak echo]

i think i have every trinket in my bags that can drop in m+ or the raid besides all totem and it makes me very sad

[plush tendon]

Ive used Whetstone, Rumbling Ruby for far too long Blizz.... ya boi needs something good

[oak echo]

and all of them garbage ilvl too because none of them came from vault

[strong forum]

Imagine not having all the trinkets you could want

[plush tendon]

I know right?

[split remnant]

So Blocking doesnt actually mean taking 0 from an attack because I blocked it. It means taking reduced dmg based on my stats (38% currently)

[strong forum]

Correct

[split remnant]

41% my bad

Why is it called block when blocking obviously means avoiding all damage.

[strong forum]

Says who

[split remnant]

Me

[strong forum]

Have you ever blocked with a real shield in real life

That shit still breaks your bones

It just doesn't kill you

🙂

[split remnant]

What about ICe block tho

[oak echo]

i think ice cubes have different rules from people

or something

[strong forum]

Ice block isn't a block with a shield, it's just a block of ice

[split remnant]

Pepega

[silk trail]

hi there, how much of a problem is tanking with full haste mastery gear? i only have %6ish vers, and got puzzle box and whetstone as my trinkets. i got 413 ilvl with that gear and i am aiming keys around 20, would i be in big trouble?

[strong forum]

Super big trouble

Jokes aside

[mortal brook]

All stats do the thing

[split remnant]

I have 9.8% and its jokes. I cant die.

[strong forum]

Both nerf and Andyclap have 9-10% vers and they are both #1 and #2 ranked tank in m+ rn

Vers doesn't mean SHIT

[plush tendon]

Vers is a lie, crit is the way

[silk trail]

so i dont really have to recraft my haste mastery lariat etc. into haste vers?

[strong forum]

A tank needing to stack vers is just false propaganda that somehow lived for way too long

[plush tendon]

not at all! If you main a DPS spec, gear for that over Prot

and use the leftovers for prot

[silk trail]

thats exactly what i am 😄

[lime urchin]

I mean for 99% of people pushing keys, they think way too much about minmaxing stats

[oak echo]

have to? no. but fwiw if you have the choice, mastery is prob the least desirable. the point being don't stack vers to hit a target % when it means wearing lower ilvl

[plush tendon]

always gear for DPS spec over tank spec

[strong forum]

Aslong as you go Max ilvl, and prio haste you're good to go

[lime urchin]

Where better button pushing would be a bigger improvement

[strong forum]

Stats won't make or break your keys

[plush tendon]

Except speed; max speed sets are always best

[silk trail]

what about trinkets? do people aim for dps trinekts for high keys or def trinkets?

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

It's not that, it's that they've been lead to believe that 1 stat just magically beats out others and that others are to be avoided like the plague

[plush tendon]

I think its a PVP thing?

[lime urchin]

Yes

[plush tendon]

vers is kind of big for PVP

[amber siren]

Vers stacking is definitely a byproduct of BFA corruption

[plush tendon]

and they think it translates the same to living in PVE content

[oak echo]

the only def trinket worth using atm is all totem. there's a slight argument for deco but prob only if you have it at mythic ilvl. wearing 2 def trinkets is kinda dumb though

[plush tendon]

all totem aint def

its just a good trinky

[strong forum]

Cuz pvp is all about burst, if your enemy has 40% vers and you have 10%. You're at a massive disadvantage against him

[oak echo]

it's a tank only trinket that gives several defensive buffs

but yes it's good all around

[amber siren]

[strong forum]

Cuz he'll just do straight up 35% more dmg to you, but you'll do 10% less to him, creating an almost 50% dmg output difference

[split remnant]

You will play what you find anyways. I am fucking 15 days played in. 415ilvl 2740rio and I still use shitty trinket sbecause nothing else dropped for me.

[strong forum]

Those rules don't apply in pve

[rough egret]

Vault pics where?

[plush tendon]

after our 10 hour mainteance duh

[rough egret]

Oof

[plush tendon]

[rough egret]

For EU aswell?

[plush tendon]

I have no clue

[south patrol]

Really 10 hrs again?? Ugh

[oak echo]

lol no it's 2

[plush tendon]

there just been so much maintenance the last few weeks... that I sort of expect it now

[oak echo]

for now

[plush tendon]

they say that.....

[oak echo]

lol true

[strong forum]

For trinkets you want:
icon ( if your group also has it) [decent all rounder]
Whetstone/grieftorch [best offense]
All-totem [best all rounder and defense]

Flame of decoration [alright Allrounder] is good if you're scared about living in rlp and tjs

[plush tendon]

someone is gonna spill their starbucks on a server

or something stupid

[oak echo]

what random m+ boss will have a new bug today

[plush tendon]

Does Flame Decoration work well on the 3rd boss of Temple?

[strong forum]

Ye

[jagged pier]

yes

[strong forum]

It helps

It's the perfect use case for it

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

Cuz like

You pop it pre-strike

So you get full value from first shield

Then once it comes back, you have the dot on you

So you get full value out of that

[plush tendon]

good to know

[strong forum]

The literal perfect use case

[plush tendon]

I do have a 415 one that I sort of put in the closet

[strong forum]

And 1st boss rlp is roughly the same, the boss does 3 frostbolt casts

[plush tendon]

cause whetstone

[strong forum]

You can use it on first bolt

Then SR

Then have it come back for 3rd bolt

Then boss will afk for a bit

[plush tendon]

I havnt had much issue with the 1st boss in RLP

[strong forum]

Yeh its quite forgiving

[plush tendon]

and I use spell reflect for chillstorm

[strong forum]

What

You're trolling or

[plush tendon]

make me take no damage from it

[oak echo]

is chillstorm the whelp aoe or the circle

[strong forum]

And miss out on 300k+ dmg on boss

[amber siren]

the circle

[plush tendon]

hmmmm

[oak echo]

she does cast a bolt during the circle i'm pretty sure

[plush tendon]

I might be trolling lads

[strong forum]

Not reflecting her frost bolt is a crime

That one is way more dangerous

Than chilstorm

Chillstorm is dangerous for your group, not you

[plush tendon]

Well good to know.... at least I havnt died

[split remnant]

My biggest surprise was you can reflect Dragon strike in Vault 😮

[plush tendon]

[strong forum]

If we couldn't, pwar wouldn't be able to live that boss

[split remnant]

Did +22 yesterday. You learn something new everyday.

[rose cobalt]

You can reflect infused strike too

[split remnant]

😮

[rose cobalt]

Av bosses are free for prot

[strong forum]

Well 2nd boss fucks hard

[plush tendon]

AV super chill

[strong forum]

But 1st and last are free for pwar

[rose cobalt]

Spell reflect and spell block 2nd boss does no dmg

[oak echo]

reflect does nothing for the cleave

which is the part that hits hard

[strong forum]

Well

[jagged pier]

well

[strong forum]

It's Stil magic dmg reduction

[jagged pier]

^

[oak echo]

isn't the cleave all physical or am i dumb

[strong forum]

But damn, I wish I'd known that if you use CDs you don't take dmg from a thing that hurts!

[split remnant]

I mean if you do wall, shout, last stand for each cleaves your cds go back up after each phase so its free too.

[plush tendon]

and when in doubt, just hop in DStance

[jagged pier]

THIS TBH

[split remnant]

Never

[rose cobalt]

[plush tendon]

DStance is a defensive on a 6 second CD

[oak echo]

RIP me i'm just dumb

[rose cobalt]

My least favorite tyrannical boss is quickly becoming crawth

Mf bleed

[plush tendon]

Crawth is a 'expletive language'

I remember the days when you would be like 'what does this bird do?' and everyone was like 'idk' and you dont even play the boss correctly cause it didnt matter

[rose cobalt]

AA has had a funny progression throughout this tier. Every boss has had its time to shine as being annoying as hell except for the last boss

[oak echo]

RT i still don't actually 100% know how the last boss works and at this point it doesn't seem to matter

[split remnant]

What do you mean by not knowing what it does?

[plush tendon]

the last boss is like a bear druid; a lot of health and doesnt do much, but can be annoying if you screw up

[rose cobalt]

All I know is you can spell reflect the arcane bomb if it targets you so you don't get stacks and the boss takes dmg

[plush tendon]

I mean literally playing the boss like patchwork and not throwing the balls in

[split remnant]

Just everytime you get hit by any of his abilities it adds a stuck and at 3 it creates the pool no?

[oak echo]

like is it supposed to randomly put a stack of the debuff on people without it being the circle?

[bleak skiff]

Guys? can anyone please tell me why cant I rebuy subsciption with gold when I got on my account 252k gold ?

[split remnant]

Breath, walking through already existing circle etc.

[bleak skiff]

Im really mad because I got gold but canoot use it 😄

[oak echo]

hmm i'll have to check again next time i'm in there. i swear we had someone drop a circle in the middle of the room because they just randomly got a 3rd stack with out any other mechanic happening

but i could have missed something

[split remnant]

Well when he spits a circle on you 3 times in a row it just means you are spawning a circle and there is nothign you can do about it

[plush tendon]

he shoots arcane missiles

that gives stacks

we found that out

[oak echo]

oh

[plush tendon]

not sure how it picks a target, but its in the damage taken

[storm merlin]

Needs to be on one character

Send a ticket and ask for 1 day or something

[oak echo]

that could be it then but that's interesting

[plush tendon]

that boss is so worthless though

almost less engaging then the 2nd boss in SBG

[oak echo]

yeah it's not like it's hard. just confused me and thought something was bugging out

[plush tendon]

but its hard to beat that

[bleak skiff]

I got it on my main character

So there shouldnt be problem

[storm merlin]

Weird. Should be able to then

[bleak skiff]

• I was disconnected in the middle of the dungeon

[silk pond]

What is stat prio for Dmg?

[storm merlin]

Sim

[silk pond]

There's no general?

[jagged pier]

not really u sim

[last jungle]

how do u guys manage so many spells?`never seen this muhc as a tank..

[uneven mason]

Betting if you sim and it says mastery, and you regem and chant mastery, the next sim will say crit

Because our stats are like twizlers

[uneven mason]

Wat

[rose cobalt]

Prot warrior got BUTTONS

[last jungle]

too many spells, to little key bindigs xD

[uneven mason]

We press buttons

[last jungle]

i mean i need to learn extra key bindings, there is so mcuh.....

[rose cobalt]

I have execute bound to - cause I don't have enough fucking buttons

[jagged pier]

yer dont start with all start with SS and sb

[tall cradle]

Having played Brewmaster for a majority of SL I don’t understand the question

[jagged pier]

and work from there

[silk pond]

Ctrl + Z is not fun to use but you do what you gotta do

[uneven mason]

Oh I use 1-7 qwrtagc m3 m4 m5 m6

[jagged pier]

hell i started with only SB on keybind

[uneven mason]

And Ctrl variation

[jagged pier]

then when i got used to that i added SS

then slowly added more and more over time

one of the best ways to learn key binding is to actually lvl a char

[uneven mason]

Idk like, it's just natural

[jagged pier]

as it adds the buttons for u naturally

[uneven mason]

I level 3 warriors every expansion

[silk pond]

I learnt to play the game with E and Q Strafe so I can't use those, no matter how hard I try I cannot get out of the habbit

[uneven mason]

Buy foot pedals

[jagged pier]

i swapped them for turn left and right

seems fine to me

[tall cradle]

Easy just bind A and D to skills

[uneven mason]

Right mouse for straif

[shell mortar]

Use modifiers like shift and alt/ctrl whatever is easier to reach

Will help a lot

Just bind spells of similar nature to those modifiers

So you don't get confused too much

[uneven mason]

My 90-+ keys are bound to mouse buttons

That being said if you think prot has keybinds, don't try enhance shaman

[lime urchin]

Wait, 90 keys on a mouse?!

[uneven mason]

9 0 - +

[tall cradle]

Razer and their naga is shivering in their boots

[uneven mason]

But I guess if you get into it...letsee the naga has 12 side buttons, Ctrl brings that to 24, shift to 48, alt to 72, then you add Ctrl+shift and Ctrl+alt and alt+shift..

Wait doubled toomany

96keybinds on the mouse

[west kayak]

I use a Naga, Orbweaver and foot pedals to play Prot, with CTRL variants.

[spare loom]

i use a steering wheel to play prot

[tall cradle]

I personally use the NerveGear

[rose cobalt]

I use the Nintendo power glove

[pastel sleet]

Are servers up?

[oak echo]

no, expected to be down another hour

[stoic rover]

has anyone set up one of those treadmill things for running around in wow

just full on sprinting from pack to pack in a dungeon

[sand mason]

Opening my box as prot for the first time. Finally trying to upgrade my shield from 418 to 421

[drowsy scarab]

anyone else in academy at tree boss area lagging asf?

[amber siren]

nope

[sick sentinel]

nop

[wide dragon]

can anyone here look at my logs and tell me where im messing up?

I have massive rage issues and im not sure why

[fluid shard]

i won't lie, after trying a little bit of arms this week, i'm tempted to open vault in dps spec to maybe score a beeg weapon

[sick sentinel]

im opening it as that i think because wheetstone

bad trinket bricks that could clog up my vault slots if i open as prot

[tame jasper]

Arms = only 2h possible, fury 2h and 1h possible

[rose cobalt]

I want to open as prot this week to try and get eranog trinket finally

[tame jasper]

Yeah was thinking about the same tomorrow, but finally got one on Sunday 🥳

[sick sentinel]

NA so today for me

[jagged pier]

can do

[wide dragon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GKmLcCVXvfxytdPA#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=481

[hazy sluice]

Yeah the big pull does sometimes for me. Some runs it's heavy, some it's not even there. Dunno maybe depends what server the people in the gro are from

[jagged pier]

we dont cast slam for 1

[rose cobalt]

Slamming

[jagged pier]

your not casting your spells near often enough

[wide dragon]

Yeah i need to take it off my bars

[jagged pier]

u should have like 5-8 more SS's a minute

the rage u do gen

your just wasting by putting into IP

[wide dragon]

what do i put it in? Revenge?

[jagged pier]

my casts

[modern brook]

yeah revenge resets SS

also does dam :^)

[jagged pier]

yours

[modern brook]

more SS resets -> more rage->more everything

[wide dragon]

that makes sense

[jagged pier]

i dont know how u can cast shield charge the same amount as times as ravager

it has half the CD

[fallen pulsar]

Jakey, not breaking 17 CPM on SS? I need you to turn in your shield

[jagged pier]

its eggnogg

there is forced down time

thats terros

[plush tendon]

but nice

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[jagged pier]

@wide dragon like i had the same number of shield charge casts in a fight that was half the length

that shouldnt happen

more avatars

the list goes on

[wide dragon]

gonna shamefully put a 16 parse

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bb1z8RdwxNFLX2VK#fight=21&type=damage-done

[jagged pier]

you arent pressing thing on cd

please stop presing slam

its useless

and worse than revenge

[steady steppe]

LMAO

[wide dragon]

yeah its coming off my bars as soon as servers comke up

So i should be using shield charge on cd essentially?

[jagged pier]

u should be using everything on CD

SC avatar demo ravager

SS

[viscid plaza]

Stormbolt can be reserved for CC but everything else? Yes.

Slam is the worst XD it hasn't been on my bars since I got a high enough level to get a different ability

[silver vessel]

Do people have an easy time with this many thumb buttons? My brain has a hard time locating each button on the fly. I can do spreadsheets with it, but trying to find 6 in a busy fight is tough. I have the Logitech mmo mouse but I typically stick to 1-3 with alt/ctrl/shift variants in addition to kb

[quiet monolith]

first boss of smbg sometimes is trucking me outside of his AoE pulse ability

it seems to come right after the lunar eclipse stuff

anyone know what that really is, and what can be done about it?

it seems random and no cast bars going out

[fallen pulsar]

nice

[oak echo]

are you reflecting his buffed auto attacks?

[wide dragon]

assuming i cast SS on cd, is the lack of casts because of the lack of revenges casts for reset? because I feel like I SS on cd, but I may not

[quiet monolith]

i don't think i am botato

how can i track them?

[jagged pier]

its not helping

[oak echo]

he gets a buff once in a while that starts out with 3 stacks

[rose cobalt]

Spell reflect the end of eclipse

[jagged pier]

but thats low SS casts

[oak echo]

and it makes his next 3 autos truck. and you can reflect one of them + mitigate the other 2

[quiet monolith]

are they considered spells? like, spell block as well would help a lot?

[silver vessel]

I gotta adjust my reflect WA, it's so subtle with no audio queue

[viscid plaza]

I moved away from my logitech mmo mouse to a much lighter Glorious mouse and went to keybinds for this exact reason.

[quiet monolith]

i have tried every single reflect WA and none of them even show up or make a noise

[silver vessel]

Or just get better

[oak echo]

it's not a spell, but it's a buff you can see on his nameplate/unit frame or make a WA to show it

[quiet monolith]

even the one here, it just doeesn't show up

[viscid plaza]

A lot of folks have no issue but I just dont feel the buttons super well when it's frantic

Yeah it isn't a spell

So it wouldn't show

[rose cobalt]

Sb isn't really necessary. Spell reflect to reduce eclipse damage and block one of the attacks, then use IV or sw or something else to mitigate and heal

[amber siren]

It's not a spell, it's a buff

[silver vessel]

I still like having a few extra easy access buttons. I like them for cds.. shield wall, last stand etc

[amber siren]

Check if she has the buff, then press SR

[quiet monolith]

ok, and the buff has charges?

[viscid plaza]

shift 5, ctrl shift 2, I have binds for all those haha

[quiet monolith]

and once it gets to 3 or something its butt clench?

[oak echo]

yup, starts out with 3. i think it's like a purple dagger icon?

[quiet monolith]

ok tyvm

❤️

[oak echo]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=162696/deathspike

[sick sentinel]

i've ran it on both tyranical and fort 15 2 chest both, and i don't really worry alot about that spell

[oak echo]

servers up warriors and warriettes

[viscid plaza]

fuck yeah imma remote in from work and check my damn vault

[sick sentinel]

i'm loggin in......

"what do i take from the vault guys?????" inc

[oak echo]

i think if you're not worrying about it means you're just doing too low of keys. you should worry about things you can make easier. but to each their own

[sick sentinel]

vault of failuire

only real option i go

[viscid plaza]

i got 411 shoulders. Gonna have to convert them to set pieces but they save me the valor of upgrading my 395s

[reef holly]

I had the same issue but gets easier with time and practice

[silver vessel]

Yeah i should replace my clunky keyboard binds with mouse ones and just train

[silver vessel]

I did the same last week, got 415 shoulders and replaced lfr ones

Feels good man

[uncut ibex]

Should we actually cast ip if buff falls off?

[silver vessel]

If you are going to rage cap

[daring marlin]

BRUH

the fuck is with all the speed trinkets

I'm not complaining

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-run-drawing-sprint-gotta-go-fast-gif-5336898

[daring marlin]

just funny

[silver vessel]

What is your guys' stance on execute? Do you ever use it? Always use it?

[uncut ibex]

And for big incoming hits I guess?

[viscid plaza]

SANIC

[daring marlin]

two weeks ago and now

[silver vessel]

Thats what i do, but most people on here say you should focus on other presses and you should usually have some ip up

[viral elk]

Would grieftorch show up for arms, prot, or either?

[daring marlin]

not prot

just arms/fury

[viral elk]

Bet, ty

[silver vessel]

Damn im not home, wanna check that vault!

Jealous of 421 chads. I got 415s incoming

[daring marlin]

Good way to tell if something will pop up for w/e spec is in the journal and browse by spec

[silver vessel]

Is grieftorch high value for prot?

Would pref whetstone right?

[daring marlin]

In raid prolly

Don't use it while actively tanking

or you'

re gonna get bodied

[robust lark]

Is the all totem of the master good? My vault is shit. I have it at 408 or 415 upgrades of tier pieces I already have at 411 :/...best trink is 402 though

[toxic pewter]

I want a grief torch personally

[viral elk]

Huge. Much appreciated

[tame jasper]

And not while holding the aegis for ragnaröck in skovald fight or u cancel it (at least I read that. Dont own torch myself)

[storm merlin]

It's very good

[daring marlin]

go get it yogi

[robust lark]

sick thanks easy choice then. AMR tells me not to get it. Figured that was BS

[toxic pewter]

I figure can pop shield wall and use grief torch

[sick sentinel]

dayyymmmm

[silver vessel]

Hell yeah, free heroic raid loot this week. Good for alts esp

[storm merlin]

It underperformed in Sims since it relies on getting hit, which you only do half the time in Sims.

In raid it loses value as a result too, but in m+ it's likely bis even at 408

[tame jasper]

Or for those who have also heroic raid slots in der vault and want to check the 4m-dungeon bag fitst

[unkempt rover]

is this good?

[storm merlin]

Yes

[daring marlin]

yogi gonna get broodkeeper ring from his cache for sure

[toxic pewter]

Me want

[robust lark]

hell yeah that's awesome info thank you very much for typing that up for me

[daring marlin]

I'm manifesting it rn

[storm merlin]

Np

[unkempt rover]

question is now

do I wear icon with all-totem or ruby

all-totem is 408 and ruby is 402

[storm merlin]

Alltotem

[unkempt rover]

thought so too

[daring marlin]

make sure your buddies are wearing icon too

[toxic pewter]

What other trinket you run

[unkempt rover]

thats all I have

I mena I have a 402 decoration too

[toxic pewter]

Yah I use decoration of flame and all totem myself

[polar girder]

I assume i go scale because of ilvl just dont have control when it procks

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I personally would use scale due to ilvl

[polar girder]

kk thats what i was thinking but it does suck that i just am at RNG

for procs

[unkempt rover]

I think I just wear icon/totem

[toxic pewter]

Yah rng but at least a good amount more of strength

[polar girder]

true very true

[patent hull]

so sparks are only random drops now?

[polar girder]

yes

[patent hull]

weak, give me free stuff

[daring marlin]

scale good

[polar girder]

you get catchhup on alt characters thats your free gifts

[tame jasper]

I took of my 418 scale to replace it with 402 whetstone. The other trinket I wear is 389 decoration of flame. Scale is nothing but a str trinket

[viscid plaza]

you can also get them for 12 coins from the vendor next to the vault

[daring marlin]

you're throwing then

[polar girder]

The proc isnt controlled but its still a decent amount of help

according to what i have read on wowhead but i unno

[toxic pewter]

I read somewhere that the drop rate is roughly 1 per 2 weeks but not sure how true that is

[heady stratus]

Guys is ok open the vault with protection loot?

[toxic pewter]

Yah I only open in protection cuz I want a 421 shield/ weapon

[patent hull]

Why wouldn't it be unless you want dps only items or a 2h.

[daring marlin]

Can't get Whetstone as prot tho

[rough egret]

Nice, here comes the screenshots

[jagged pier]

its a m+ trinket

[tawdry lynx]

someone PLEASE talk me into taking the tanking ring over the 16 ilvl dps increase from the gloves

im so conflicted

[toxic pewter]

I still would want a 421 shield over any trinket because I don’t see myself killing mythic brood

[daring marlin]

That ring sucks

[tawdry lynx]

perfect thank you

i have the belt for it but it still seems like a scam

[daring marlin]

jk raid ring good

thought you meant the M+ one

[toxic pewter]

I personally would get the raid ring because I have the belt already and would prob get value out of it. Plus can get some m+ gloves to catalyze that are better ilvl

[tawdry lynx]

very true

[wooden widget]

Would anyone use 418 tier pants with leech over 421?

[toxic pewter]

Do u need that 2h weapon

[tawdry lynx]

i have a 418 mace, i opened in arms in case fury gets buffed

[toxic pewter]

Could get the 2h weapon if u want to play fury I guess

[viral elk]

Between this shoulder upgrade and a 408 seal of diurna? I have frostfire belt.

[daring marlin]

ehhhh taking a 415 2H idk man

can craft a 418

[toxic pewter]

True

[silver vessel]

What items are worthwhile opening in prot? Or is it generally better to open in arms/fury?

[toxic pewter]

Well the ring is rare generally speaking… and you can catalyze m+ shoulders at some point

[tawdry lynx]

i only have time to raid log and 4 mythics a week, so farming sparks is kind of dead on arrival for me

[oblique kayak]

shield, 1h

[silver vessel]

Already have a 415 of each, abd my vault is maxed at 415, so prob better arms/fury then?

[toxic pewter]

I personally want a 421 shield or weapon so I still open in prot. This is because I don’t mythic raid

[brisk flax]

What do you guys think Bracers with Crit Vers, or Bracers with Crit Mastery but 10 higher ilvl .... ilvl no?

[silver vessel]

Ilvl 100%

[brisk flax]

That's what i thought

Just needed someone to confirm i wasnt crazy haha

[silver vessel]

Vers vs mastery isnt too crazy increase i think???

But 10ilvl is huge

[uncut thunder]

Having a hard time with this weeks GV selection as the ring is a big upgrade but it has me moving away from the Assembly Guardian Ring (cobalt with shield) and I really like that for survivability.

[oblique kayak]

no hast do barely makes a dif

[uncut thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pHH4FHHRN8hab67Zn1RNfD

[last jungle]

do we use slam and whirlwind as Prot?

[oblique kayak]

that ring barely offers surv - it’s proc often goes to waste

[silver vessel]

No

[daring marlin]

negative

[last jungle]

ty

[uncut thunder]

can you elaborate ?

[last jungle]

and rend? we use that ?

[brisk flax]

Next tier 2 set bonus should be Slam applies Ignore Pain LOL

[last jungle]

cause talents talk about bleed

[uncut thunder]

It shows in details as a large factor of self healing

[oblique kayak]

it has been discussed to death in here - have a quick search

[daring marlin]

Only by applying it with tclap

don't put rend on your bar

[last jungle]

ah damn thanks ❤️

[uncut thunder]

OK ill search

[daring marlin]

👍

[brisk flax]

I literally never used that ring @uncut thunder Prot warrior doesnt need it imo

[daring marlin]

The TLDR is the amount of extra stats from a higher ilvl ring will outweigh the absorb, basically

[oblique kayak]

also the shield is counter intuitive to many talents we use

[elfin widget]

how is the proc chance on strike twice? does it outweigh the 10ilvl increase from helm/shoulder? weapon is currently 418 crafted

[jagged pier]

i mean 421 strike twice is literal bis

[patent hull]

Bursting/Explosive...going to be a fun pug week.

[torn gulch]

i mean it's a 421 bis weapon

[daring marlin]

Better hope for an absolutely banger healer.

[jagged pier]

but if u dont raid mythic thos head and shoulders are also bis

🤷

[elfin widget]

yeah i just M+, no raiding

[oblique kayak]

yeah doenr look fun

[jagged pier]

i mean your more likely to get helm and shoulders again

in vault that strike twice

[torn gulch]

i would take the weapon

[limpid anchor]

Don’t use dungeon slice

[torn gulch]

because it's weapon bis for the entire season

if i am not mistaken

do we have any 424 one handers?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

No

Strike twice is bis

[torn gulch]

that proc is about 1% extra damage from what i remember

[toxic pewter]

dang wish i had that strike twice

[torn gulch]

yep big loot

[daring marlin]

free embellishment basically

yuge

[patent hull]

Should be right at halfway point for season 1 so a lot of time left to use it.

[viscid plaza]

I cant fucking wait for the valor to uncap next week

[stable jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797681884510814221/1072564440408539197/image.png

is it the 411 Shield

I already have 411 Helm

and current shield is 402

[robust lark]

do you have a spark? because I'd rather have the 415 helm and a crafted shield

[pearl umbra]

You guys have a BiS list you're referring to?

[daring marlin]

yeah bro

highest ilvl

[pearl umbra]

lol

[stable jasper]

Yeah I have spark but need to get my ass in gear and do more 16+s

[silver vessel]

So if you have highest ilvl for 1h and shield, would you guys open as fury/arms

[nimble rock]

Thoughts on Static-Charged Scale (395) vs Manic Grieftorch (411)

[proud dock]

is bursting explosive a good week?

[jagged pier]

no

[proud dock]

imma say no

[lime urchin]

Yes

Oh

[proud dock]

lul ok

[lime urchin]

Sadge

[grave knoll]

Depends on dungeon

[silver vessel]

I don't mind explosive

[lime urchin]

On my poor key levels all keys are good weekz

[silver vessel]

tank just gotta clicky more

[daring marlin]

healer job

[stable jasper]

Both healer mechanics

[daring marlin]

legit

[silver vessel]

does Sign of the Warrior apply to mythic+?

[lucid dew]

has anyone had a strike twice at 415 sim higher than a 418 crafted?

418 is simming higher for me

which makes sense i doubt the proc is worth it

[jagged pier]

strike twice is higher for me

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[dusty summit]

No, only m0

[lucid dew]

i got a 415 strike twice in vault and 415 gloves

i have 389 gloves i feel like maybe i go gloves

since crafted simming better

[proud dock]

r we posed to get anymore sparks?

[echo scarab]

hey guys quick question

on vexamus, how do you avoid the overlap?

[cloud umbra]

supposed to be a rare drop. some people have gotten 4, some people like me have gotten 0

[echo scarab]

cant remember when you need to let one orb go through

[proud dock]

oh its live? didnt know thanks

[late epoch]

brrrrrr grief+whetstone

[marsh bronze]

let 1 orb hit vexamus

[last jungle]

guys, i havent played warr in ages, what is the best starter pull rotation?

[vapid magnet]

Did y’all think it’s more worth to take strike twice at 421 only being a 3 ilvl upgrade or upgrading my tier chest by 6 ilvl at 421?

[echo scarab]

but when

isnt it between fissure 2 and 3?

[spice axle]

Boy i have a tough vault. How important is 4pc set as prot? I have a 20 IL upgrade for a chest ive been missing, but the helm showed up at 418 (7 IL upgrade)

[marsh bronze]

what secondary stats are you guys choosing? if same ilvl

[last jungle]

guys, i havent played warr in ages, what is the best starter pull rotation?

[last mason]

are servers up

[daring marlin]

sure are

[hexed fog]

Can’t you take the chest and then use the catalyst to make it to 4pc?

[uneven mason]

Literally this

[weary cipher]

so is there a way to proc the rings without the shitty crafted belt

[oak echo]

Why is it shitty? But no that's the only reliable way

[lunar scarab]

Should we be using trinkets to boost mitigation or dps trinkets (like grieftorch)

[oak echo]

there are very few good defensive trinkets. a lot of people run 1 of each or 2 dps

[daring marlin]

Best proc is shitty?

[weary cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/no-kevin-shark-tank-nope-gif-7618590

[rough egret]

I cope for this from the weekly 🙂

[oak echo]

@lunar scarab nome posted this earlier today and is a good summary of what to go for

[slow harbor]

Yo this is in my vault, can catalyst convert this to tier as well? Wasn't sure since it's a set itself

[grim nymph]

421 tier chest or 421 hunger of the pack 🤔 (3rd option is poop).

Interesting options

[strong forum]

tier

[grim nymph]

I have 415 tier chest already

thanks to catalyst

hunger would replace a 421 whelp (lol)

[oak echo]

not saying this is what you did lol since you might not have actualy been asking for an opinion but it drives me crazy when people post vault questions without giving any context to what they already have

[grim nymph]

Wasn't really asking...was more just observing that I actually had two good picks in my vault.

[oak echo]

yeah i know just reminded me that it's tuesday and it's gonna happen a lot 😛

[grim nymph]

But if you want, this is the sim I was looking at: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n4LqfWF14EwsjkmqDGae5n

[dusky canopy]

Guys my vault has 6 options

What should I pick?

[solid cargo]

One of the six

[grim nymph]

socket

[pastel dew]

Is there such a thing as too much haste?

[dusky canopy]

Nope

400%

Or bust

[grim nymph]

gotta go fast

[dusky canopy]

Over 9000

[pastel dew]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-classic-sonic-sonic-origins-sonic-origins-animations-gif-25528432

[dusky canopy]

Nom said something like 7600 is the theoretical point where you stop wanting haste

You can’t get that much

Currently

So keep looking for it

[grim nymph]

I'm actually slightly leaning towards hunger of the pack since I'll never see it again. I should probably also run a ST sim since whelp might pull ahead there, making me want the +6 ilevel on tier chest.

[dusky canopy]

To be quite honest with you, max ilvl tier is going to be the play

Especially chest

Big main stat gains

Pack is decent but out performed by other trinkets at lower ilvl

[grim nymph]

I'd have to get said other trinkets, though, and I will never at mythic ilevel.

But max item level tier might be play purely for survivability

Cause +24's are gonna slap this week

[round pendant]

Anyone got a good build for raz?

I can't decide

This is what I've come up with

[high drum]

take fear

[dusky canopy]

Yeah dude I wouldn’t pass up the 421 tier personally

[round pendant]

For what?

[dusky canopy]

Especially at that level of play

[high drum]

for raz

[round pendant]

[high drum]

sparks

[round pendant]

Oh, that.

[dusky canopy]

You don’t need fear

[high drum]

it helps others

[dusky canopy]

Take storm bolt and cover your own sparks

[round pendant]

I just disrupting shout + pummel

usually everything else gets cleared out by other peoples aoes

[dusky canopy]

Everyone popping at once is a wipe is it not?

[round pendant]

not sure what you mean

never had an issue with em

[amber siren]

The sparks? They're fine to remove at the same time

[high drum]

brew what are you talking about

[dusky canopy]

Oh you right I was talking out of my ass

[round pendant]

I insta kick shitters who don't kick orbs

one aoe + st interrupt is good enough me thinks

[high drum]

not like you lose anything taking fear

[drifting minnow]

does thunderclap/revenge hit explosives? if not whats the best way to kill them in melee range? white dmg/SS? hope not

[dusky canopy]

I’m surrounded by demon hunters so the sparks dont last long

Half the time I don’t even get my pummel off lmao

[high drum]

white damage

unfortunately

we dont have anything really good at it

[drifting minnow]

/puke

[dusky canopy]

I will heroic throw them if it’s convenient

Just blame healer

[shut wing]

Easy choice in vault this week fellas!

[urban portal]

Sheesh

[dusky canopy]

Huuugge

Ggz

[shut wing]

thank you thank you

considering ill never get mythic rasz down too this is a BLESSING

[jovial birch]

Target them and revenge and it kills and cleaves other mobs.

[dusky canopy]

I didn’t think it did that

You might just be auto attacking

[high drum]

it doesnt

[dusky canopy]

And thinking it’s revenge

[jovial birch]

That may be the case then 😂

[dusky canopy]

Easy enough to assume no worries

At least you’re not using SS on explosive

[warm flicker]

shield block guarantees a block but doesnt prevent the damage right

just trying to make sure im understanding the wording

[grim nymph]

what?

Blocking attacks reduces the damage by ~45 to 50%

[warm flicker]

yes

[viscid plaza]

Yes. It causes you to block all white damage, auto attacks.
edit for clarification: It blocks ALL PHYSICAL DAMAGE, reducing damage taken

[modern brook]

[grim nymph]

You block all attacks that aren't flagged as "Cannot be blocked", not just autoattacks. You can also block spells during spell block.

[naive panther]

sadness, when you already have 421 strike twice and good rings.

and 421 bracers

lol junk

I have socketed melandrus, and dirunas

lol

I keep opening in prot for shield, but this box makes me wish I had opened arms

craft shield and say f it good enough

using 415 so 418 isn't all that appealing as opposed to just risking junk in box each week for shield

nah, won't open as prot anymore

haha

[warm flicker]

its weird seeing a vulpera warrior

[naive panther]

too bad a spark is 12 tokens

[modest gulch]

this aint starfox wtf

😛

[grim nymph]

I had to craft 418 weapon and shield cause I literally have not had a shield drop

And neither in vault

[naive panther]

yeah I simmed the bracers and ring, and can't compete

[modest gulch]

Same boat, but 415 shield and 402 weapon atm. I have two sparks tho, if vault is a bag of shit again I'll use both for 418s this week

...then next week a 421 of one of those haha

[naive panther]

too bad SMF is junk, could rock double strike twice at 421

[forest bay]

I know this has been discussed ad nauseum but what's the consensus on ruby whelp shell?

[modest gulch]

Someone is going to tell you to sim it and compare it to what you have. Its not bis. Take it if its an upgrade and you've got nothing better to take.

[round pendant]

feels good hitting 300k on raz shield phase

[rough egret]

Im not gonna be that lucky with teinkets in my vault, tho i believe for whetstone, but pair of any hands or legs would be nice 😄 as those are my under 400 ilvl items (hands are primalist set and normal tier legs) I feel that im gonna get got 😄

[dusky canopy]

So I haven’t opened as Prot once since I already have 418 crafted wep and shield

Honestly might gamble for a strike twice though

Maybe open as fury lol

[rough egret]

Open as fury

[dusky canopy]

421 shield would technically be an upgrade though so I’m still debating

[spring summit]

got a Burgeoning Seed in my box i'm pretty sad (was my only option)

[mighty valley]

FINALLY - whetstone obtained

[pale rock]

Prot warrior feels to me like easy to learn hard to master spec. But im pretty new to the tanking buisness

[toxic pewter]

What's weird about it? One of the best tank races in the game

[stoic rover]

Y

[warm flicker]

tiny fox look funny

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[toxic pewter]

grats

[pale rock]

I rencently changed from Highmoutain Tauren to Undead, antler dont go well with helmets and Shoulders

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-zuba-this-calls-for-a-celebration-celebration-celebrate-gif-22777408

[toxic pewter]

Undead warriors are badass

[lusty tiger]

nah

[mighty valley]

thanks gang - i'm raising the dps gatekeeping bar

[craggy kelp]

ok

so do u guys use defensive or attack stance?

[daring marlin]

battle

[mighty valley]

battle stance by default, use defensive stance as a cooldown when needed

then swap back

[craggy kelp]

what

[pale rock]

I only need the right boots to drop to finish my warrior mog. Wotlk has some dopeass T sets

[craggy kelp]

ur swaping them mid fightS?

[waxen patrol]

sup everyone, i got an extra spark today i not safe what to craft. Legs is my lowest ilvl to craft, but i can't change for set latter. so prob boots or cloak?

[daring marlin]

yes

[craggy kelp]

why'

[daring marlin]

swapping for big hits like crawth peck, hyrja blast, etc...

then swapping back to battle

[toxic pewter]

I am in similar situation and I find myself wanting to craft a ring for a socket

[craggy kelp]

is that min maxing or

[waxen patrol]

hummmmm ring its a good call i real forgot this

[craggy kelp]

im tank and wow palyer for liek 12 days only

should i be doing that aswell?

[daring marlin]

you wanna do big dam

[craggy kelp]

so packs battle boss def?

[gloomy coyote]

Is it worth using Dragon Games Equipment trinket? Or is it annoying to use?

[daring marlin]

keep up shield block and smack that IP and you shouldn't need dstance in packs

[toxic pewter]

Yah I guess ring or boots...

[sick sentinel]

hi

[craggy kelp]

hmm

is this build then ok?

onyl 394

if i want dmg,should i pick revenge deasl 25% more dmg talent?

[toxic pewter]

I would drop disrupting shout for battering ram personally

[craggy kelp]

ok done

what else

[waxen patrol]

in ur opinion 408 seal of diurna or 418 crafted one?

[sick sentinel]

whats best spec to open heroic cache as

[craggy kelp]

what do ir emove for barbaric training?

Thunderous words for barb training?

[toxic pewter]

do u want dps or tank trinkets /// 1h weapon and shield or 2h weapon

[mental bobcat]

No the extra revenge dmg talent uses to much rage

[craggy kelp]

k

so talent good now?

[daring marlin]

your left side tree looks fine

[toxic pewter]

that build you have now is exactly what I run

a lot of people run into the fray, I personally do not

[craggy kelp]

wait

need to find what run intot he frey is

[true vortex]

What if you want dps trinkets and don't care about weapons or shields

[sick sentinel]

mixed feelings

[toxic pewter]

then I guess open it as arms spec

[craggy kelp]

@toxic pewter what run intot he fray

[toxic pewter]

its the talent that is the other option to Heavy Repercussions

[sick sentinel]

so, now that i have it, besides belt, fire options?

[craggy kelp]

ah go it

[toxic pewter]

dang nice ring, u got the frostfire belt yet or wat

[craggy kelp]

i got 1 more question

[toxic pewter]

belt is best way to proc it reliably

[edgy bone]

Alright boys

[craggy kelp]

so i got these 5 trinkets

which would u use?

rip

[edgy bone]

I want to take my prot warrior skill to the next level, I'm currently tanking 21-22s. What are the next steps to reach a new tier of capability?

[sick sentinel]

i have a food buff but is on my belt

so i'd have to obtain another one, recraft somethin

[mighty valley]

Ideally finding a consistent crew to run with, then working on identifying what's blocking you from timing bigger keys and having a plan in advance to handle those problems

Or if you don't have a consistent team, being more ready to handle almost any outcome yourself

[uneven mason]

This week, roll a druid

Murderbur is back

But yeah to push highest keys you need a consistent group

People who will learn how to shore up gaps in party members skillsets

[edgy bone]

Things I'm currently doing

• Swapping into D-stance for big hits
• Planning out DRs ahead of time for dangerous fights

Things I'm working on

• Knowing which packs to use shockwave on to sync casts for multi-spell reflects
• Being able to calculate Vexamus timings to prevent overlaps

Things I Don't know that I don't know

• ???
• ???

[uneven mason]

Maximize DPS

[spring summit]

bruh we don't know what you dont know either

[uneven mason]

Like if you're doing 22s you're well ahead of the curve

[toxic pewter]

I would personally run the all totem and rumbling ruby for m+ unless you have other party member with icon then would run the all totem and icon probably

[craggy kelp]

kk

[edgy bone]

Great contribution thanks man

[storm isle]

can you spell block hyrja's laser beam?

[toxic pewter]

yes you can

[deft mortar]

Ugh joined a guild run for AA 20 cuz need 2 more dungs for vault

They look bad xd

[storm isle]

thanks

[deft mortar]

Lotta <400 pieces etc

oh fk me its explosive again

No giga pulls

😦

[toxic pewter]

and bursting

so def gotta be careful

[rose cobalt]

Priests necessary

[chrome falcon]

@lofty widget ok can i pick your brains

i have 421 incarnate icon and 415 whetstone

do i open vault in prot for all-totem or arms for dathea trinket

[winged turret]

getting this + crafting frostfire belt is a pretty huge boost right? the belt is like a 3 ilvl upgrade and the ring is a 10 ilvl, i'm just not sure if it's possible to add that combination into simcraft without actually crafting the belt first

[lofty widget]

anyone else in your group using icon?

[chrome falcon]

in raid certainly yeah

in m+ sometimes

[mighty valley]

i think since you're delving into specifics it'll have to be case by case - obviously if you're past 20s you know the fundamentals, you'll just have to have a mindset of "ok this key went wrong, what was within my power and what wasn't, what was unclear to me that i should run by the discord"

[lofty widget]

i think the chances of getting a terrible tank trinket is too high to open as prot tbh

[unkempt rover]

is there a way to trck BSV in details?

or is that a logs specific thing

[lusty tiger]

I wouldn’t track anything in details rly

Maybe explosive kills