protection

[mighty valley]

most players will run themselves dry using it

[warm plinth]

I will fuckin fight so many people

[merry phoenix]

sowee 😦

[mighty valley]

if you don't have a ton of targets for bloodsurge rage income at all times, it's going to make you worse

[merry phoenix]

that's strange because this was his build for mythic eranog

[mighty valley]

"top players" don't always know everything

sometimes, they just copied another top player!

[round pendant]

eranog is a pretty short fight tho so maybe it's ok

[warm plinth]

It makes Revenge insanely inefficient, which means less overall casts, which means you actually do less damage. The only time it's a damage gain is if you can basically forgo IP entirely for Revenge.

[mighty valley]

eranog is a pretty easy fight so you can do pretty much anything and not be shown up

[warm plinth]

Which generally you're going to need to press IP for tankbusters and damage heavy packs in keys

Well, in relevant keys

[round pendant]

I feel like I use IP too much

[warm plinth]

But think of it this way, I can press 3 revenges at normal damage for 300% total damage for 60 rage. or I can run BT and get two revenges at 125% damage for 250% total damage for 60 rage.

[merry phoenix]

well yesterday I got a log review done for the first time and I did not use revenge much, and my parse improved from green to purple

[merry phoenix]

I mean the guy told me to not use revenge much

[warm plinth]

that's uh

weird advice lol

[merry phoenix]

Can you please take a look at my log once 🙂

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r6Q93wV4MKaB1CxA#fight=last&playermetric=bossdps&source=8

[warm plinth]

Sure

[round pendant]

I must admit I just randomly press whatever's off cooldown (other than defensives)

with a priority of SS > all

[merry phoenix]

same

[warm plinth]

bro 7 revenges

in 3 mins

this hurts my soul

[merry phoenix]

😅

[warm plinth]

also why aren't you running Instigate or Impenetrable Wall?

[round pendant]

is 45 revenges in 4 minutes good

[warm plinth]

That's so much rage you're losing out on

[merry phoenix]

I don't know the talents at all

I just copy

[strong forum]

Idk what you copied, but it's not a raid build

Or a good build

[warm plinth]

Instigate makes devastator do more damage and give an extra rage. Impenetrable Wall gives you more rage on Shield Slams

[strong forum]

For raid it's easiest just to take the raid build that's pinned here

[merry phoenix]

It's from one of the top mythic eranog parses I could find

[strong forum]

No way

[round pendant]

Dunno who logged this, it's in German lmao https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1ymZCzpH3MJVbNc6#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=2

did I do good

[warm plinth]

I just wanna know who told you to press Revenge less

was it someone in here?

[merry phoenix]

someone on reddit

[warm plinth]

Oh god

[round pendant]

reddit

there's your problem

[warm plinth]

Don't get advice from reddit

Those guys are morons

[merry phoenix]

but he did recommend me to come on this discord

so that was good advice ig 😛

[strong forum]

That build is super whack, its not even good for aoe

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's something at least

[strong forum]

The fact that you miss out on 2 rage gen talents is what hurts it so much

[merry phoenix]

But ye the previous run before this I pressed ip 0 times and only pressed revenge pretty much

[warm plinth]

😢

[cinder nova]

Assume any forum is a waste of your time.

[mighty valley]

had to dig back in time a bit but here's my last heroic eranog, 8k more dps at 3 lower ilvl than you

[strong forum]

Eh that's harsh

This here is also a forum

[merry phoenix]

wtf

[round pendant]

what's the total dps and ilvl?

[warm plinth]

Butter chicken is my favorite chinese buffet dish

[round pendant]

I did 34,592 dps on heroic eranog at 403 ilvl

trash

[cinder nova]

This is a discord channel. While in the traditional definition of 'forum' I'd assume parlance refers to actual post-by-post boards as opposed to a chatroom, which is a bit more akin to what this is.

[round pendant]

but I didn't have good trinkets then (was also learning the fight)

[strong forum]

Generally I'd recommend you to check out the talent builds I pinned here in this channel

[mighty valley]

wait sorry, i meant normal eranog, since i'm comparing against Sir's log more directly

[cinder nova]

If you look at JUST guides and pins, it'd be heads and shoulders better than trusting reddit or the WoW forums.

[strong forum]

Also the bis Single target build for raiding

[round pendant]

Ah, normal

Funnily enough Eranog is the only normal boss I haven't logged

[strong forum]

This is how your dmg breakdown should generally look like on a pure ST fight

Your main focus is shield slam

[cinder nova]

I wish I could do more damage on Era. I can't seam to break 50K

[strong forum]

And generating and spending as much rage as yo u can

[modern brook]

do ppl actually need one? doesnt it play itself at this point

[merry phoenix]

How to know whether to cast revenge or ip?

[mighty valley]

it's not "or"

[strong forum]

IP if youre about to rage cap
Revenge when SS or TC aren't ready

[round pendant]

What if you take the execute proc talent?

[warm plinth]

Yours looks pretty solid

[strong forum]

? You Shiuld play it in raid.

Always

[sweet summit]

idk i assume the latter but send it

[strong forum]

Or well, not on council

[modern brook]

is the mage tower open this weekend?

[warm plinth]

It's always open

[strong forum]

It's always open

[modern brook]

i already did it on my war but i can do it then i guess

[regal stump]

@warm plinth Hey!
I have a log from our heroic raid a week ago with Redsons stats in it, with his permission he's said i could share that with you

[warm plinth]

Sure post away

Or Dm if you'd rather, idc. More eyes the better though

[regal stump]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xzy4jTYGdaL1AnK9

He was 386 at the start of the raid*

And no 4 set*

[cinder nova]

First thing I see is they aren't pressing buttons.

53 CPM tells me they're leaving a lot of GCDs on the table.

Needs to be pressing SR way, way more.

3 SR casts on Terros is a crying shame.

[warm plinth]

I'm looking at Terros rn. Overprioritizing TC over SS. The rage talent loss is huge though. That's definitely not helping his casts per minute

[cinder nova]

It's 20% magic DR every 20 seconds.

Needs to also press Demo Shout on CD.

1 cast is... unacceptable, tbh.

[warm plinth]

The one thing I will give you @versed steeple is that you consistently have a high % of blocked hits.

[round pendant]

TIL why a tank in a pug was telling me to "spot" and I was so confused what he meant

[cinder nova]

That's true.

[mighty valley]

It seems here like redson switched to Bloodborne compared to the build from earlier for raid which is... not great

[warm plinth]

Yeah. He's also using Bloodsurge on Terros (though that's better than neither in the other build I guess)

[cinder nova]

Needs to be pressing Ava more, too. Not sure if it's just dookie on the CDR which is why he has huge gaps in uptime or what.

Honestly a lot of this is a mix of talents and just not pressing buttons.

Gotta press your buttons.

[round pendant]

Yeah I think the main thing that made me do significantly more dps in general in wow

is just pressing CDs and Trinkets asap

[cinder nova]

There's a time and place to press them, but for PWarr it's just full-send except some extraneous circumstances.

For example, throwing coolies on P2 Raza when not hitting barrier is actually throwing.

You do more DPS and help your raid by holding them for barrier, especially when you get Demo and Ava up before a Wrecking Throw. Huge 300K slaps

[round pendant]

yeah I mean, save for a little while if there's a dps check coming

but in general, the sooner you press, the better

As more uses per dungeon/raid is more dps

[cinder nova]

Generally.

It's more than just DPS though with this log.

[strong forum]

"usso taunta"

[versed steeple]

OK so press more buttons haha. And I need to change my talents. Can you guys give me a talent build for m+ and raid please

[strong forum]

I've pinned 3 m+ builds and 1 raid build

That's all you'll ever need

[round pendant]

am I a bad boy? I never run intimidating shout

[strong forum]

It's not mandatory, but an extra stop is nice to have

The 5 target cap is what's icky

[warm plinth]

You're icky

gottem

[round pendant]

yeah sometimes I do wish I had it tbh

[mighty valley]

You don't have to give up much to get it

[versed steeple]

@strong forum sorry where are they pinned?

[strong forum]

#protection message

[last nova]

I have a nookiehood 19, can someone recomend a comp?

[mortal brook]

something with a purge on their bars for 2nd boss

[last nova]

do druids dispel?

[strong forum]

Purge = magic buff removal from enemy target

[last nova]

i'm dreading 3rd boss with melee dps

[strong forum]

So only priest dh and shaman

[last nova]

i wanted to bring all range dps

[strong forum]

3rd boss is fine with full melee

[mortal brook]

hunter, mage

[strong forum]

You just all stack up on 1 spot

[last nova]

no but it's tyrancial and it feels like 5 minutes chasing the boss around

[strong forum]

I mean

That's the least of your problems at 3rd boss

[last nova]

2nd boss yah

i can see how that might be a wall

i'll do elemental boss first

if wipe it's a gg

[lean gale]

ranges dont change that. You really need no special comb for +19 key. Take 1 Pruge and a decent heal

[lean gale]

you will fuck up the bl cd with first elemental

[last nova]

i've seen people pull outer patrol

with blood lust

1st boss

so you crash land on outer patrol pack and pull one catapult pack with it and blood lust

is that a wiipe?

[lean gale]

its a scary pull. You can just pull outer patrol with bl, when the range adds die you can chain pull in the balista pack

[strong forum]

No, it's pretty standard to pull that outer pack with BL

[last nova]

i havn't been able to time a nookiehood 14 or over current best is 17 not timed.

[lean gale]

recommend you to look up a tank guide for that key. It will get you some tricks

[last nova]

i'm like 79 rating from 2400

trying to close the gap now

[strong forum]

You got like 3 months left of the season

DW

You'll get it

[last nova]

i'm not waiting 3 months to do 79 rating lol

[strong forum]

I'm not saying to wait for it

[last nova]

i want to spend my valor points when it's uncapped

[strong forum]

I'm saying you got plenty of time to take it slow without needing to rush it

[last nova]

thank you are right but it's my main focus now

i've set myself a goal

2400 before reset

need to find +79 rating from somewhere

i just timed a TJS +16 finally and got +5 rating

[lean gale]

Then time SBG and COS high.

[last nova]

TJS has been a nightmare for me, so many keys depleted because of wipe fests

I have a 19 bolstering and 18 tyr SBG

[signal ivy]

Must have talents for 20 RLP? Been trying it for 10 runs or so bleeding my eyes out

Just need rpl and azure

[last nova]

what's the issue with your RLP?

[pallid quiver]

The Felhunter pet itself should have a purge, as well, though it needs to be summoned and it's not the demon command ability

I have zero idea if it works on anything you want to purge, tho

[hearty terrace]

Hey didn't think one ever understood or asked till now but what makes war meta? Coz I fell like prot pala is as tankir but people shit on it thought I'd ask 🙂

[rough egret]

Spell block and double wall is fine too

[pallid quiver]

Easy to play, big damage, solid utility for most dungeons/encounters

it's not like "War is gut-bustingly overpower lmao they have 50% perma DR lmao" like people think and have been saying it is

like all the other tanks, even before buffs/nerfs/what have you, are all very strong, too

So the real reason is because people said it's meta because it's on average numerically superior by a bit

ignore the fact prot war suffers the most in particular instances (Bleed dots, Rasz, etc) in comparison to the other tanks

[last nova]

best healer for nokhud 19?

[hearty terrace]

Ah okay that is very helpful 🙂

Makes my dession easy 🙂

[tame jasper]

Nothing special

What's your (your groups mostly) problems in RLP? Not interrupting?

[pallid quiver]

Recent Doodad buffs have made them deal more damage, iirc, so if you're a fotm player, you may want to see if that shakes things up

i dunno, i don't bear

[ionic fern]

It's a 19..doesn't matter.

[lean gale]

you cannot spell block the bleed

[rough egret]

Spell block for 1st boss

He asked RLP in general

[lean gale]

Sorry mate 😄 For first Boss its fine yes

[lean gale]

Any Healer who is decent is just fine. You really need no special grp comp for +19

[ionic fern]

I swear, Evokers in TJS is trolling tho.

[hearty terrace]

I'm a prot pala atm gulid wants me war but didnt understand why so I asked

[ionic fern]

Tried 4 +22's yesterday in pugs, all with Evokers..all with 2.9k+ score..they couldn't get the debuff off of me from the 3rd boss even after i used IV or LS.

Idk if their ST healing is just crap or they were crap.

[hearty terrace]

St healing is poopoo

[ionic fern]

[shell mortar]

They're crap

Bricked a couple of 23-24 totjs yday all with an evoker healer. 3rs boss is a non issue if your evoker healer has hands

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Morning Ghash.

[warm plinth]

How are you today

[ionic fern]

I've had way more luck with Druids in TJS.

[ionic fern]

Kinda tired.

How about you?

[shell mortar]

Well druids are 10x easier

Don't need hands to play one

[warm plinth]

I'm doing okay. I got 2400 yesterday on rogue

[ionic fern]

They also apparently have some talent which heals for 200k in ST.

So...

[ionic fern]

Gratz.

[warm plinth]

They can do like...swiftmend into NS+regrowth; that'd be pretty juicy

Like 250% increased healing on regrowth

[ionic fern]

I don't know what it's called or what they do..but the healer i usually run with said he picks it just for TJS on tyrannical.

[warm plinth]

Oh interesting

I wonder if he's playing nourish

We try some bigger woyer keys next week I think

Maybe some 16s

[shell mortar]

Big pump

[ionic fern]

Could it be..Nourish?

Just looked at the logs.

[shell mortar]

Who cares about healers anyways mate

[ionic fern]

It seems it was Nourish.

[shell mortar]

They're just there to enable us to play the game

[ionic fern]

I care about healers in TJS/RLP.

[shell mortar]

Oh yeah

[proud dock]

is the dwarf racial always good for keys, or just this set of dungs/season?

[ionic fern]

Always.

[shell mortar]

I just pay my healer 50k before each TJS

[proud dock]

oh damn, didnt know it was historically op

[lean gale]

Undead is so strong in TJS when no one interupts the sleep

[shell mortar]

Yeah... But you're still gonna wipe coz everyone else is gonna body pull the whole dungeon

[lean gale]

[ionic fern]

Hah, jokes on you. I do the bodypulling.

[potent anvil]

How else are you gonna finish the dungeon in less than 13 mins?

[ionic fern]

Exactly.

Do you hate your healer @potent anvil ?

[potent anvil]

Prot warrs need healing?

[ionic fern]

I was looking at the AV 22 you did the first pull on Fort/Bolstering

And you face tanking the Shards.

And HP yoyoing like a BDK.

[potent anvil]

Yeah, well

I don't run purg

[ionic fern]

[potent anvil]

My first death was a mistake in communication... could have been avoided

[ionic fern]

😦

Ngl, i usually LoS the shards on fortified.

I don't trust healers.

[warm plinth]

Just started playing rdruid and I'm already an expert 😏

[potent anvil]

Spell block and pray

[ionic fern]

"I used a defensive, just heal..."

[potent anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAYjLR60tj8
This was our time trial run for RLP we did for fun. Prot warr just lives with spell block

[hearty terrace]

Hey the physical damage Embellishment Vs Frostfire belt why one over the other 🙂

[ionic fern]

Oo, hei, i tried that first pull yesterday on a +22..people did no DPS and died to the Stone boys circle.

[potent anvil]

I did that on a 23 rlp, on my 413 warrior... had an UHDK and ret pala and they pumped

Granted it's tyrannical, so trash isn't as scary

[ionic fern]

I'm actually surprised how much a ret pally does.

[potent anvil]

still... it melts

[ionic fern]

It's wild.

[potent anvil]

Yeah, I leveled mine to 70 today

trying to get it geared

[ionic fern]

You saying "413 warrior" as it's low.

I'm still 413 on my warrior.

[potent anvil]

I'm spoiled by tourney realm gear

[warm plinth]

My main is only 410

[potent anvil]

I'm 422 on TR

[ionic fern]

[potent anvil]

I get to boon and grieftorch

pull big and just boon

[ionic fern]

Why are you tanking the boss in the corner? o.o

First one.

[potent anvil]

whelps

feral + uhdk can funnel off adds

[ionic fern]

Oo, extra ST*

[potent anvil]

And sub rogue funnel

[warm plinth]

All the funnel all the time

[potent anvil]

UHDK funnel is kinda paddy... more targets = more boss dam. Sub rogue just needs like 6 whelps and feral infinitely scales because it's 4% per rip tick? so more targets the better I think?

[ionic fern]

I got no idea about Ferals.
They have been crap for so long that no one knows how they work.

[potent anvil]

UHDK+feral is in all the MDI time trial comps

[ionic fern]

And all of a sudden they pump.

[potent anvil]

they have a talent that makes ferocious bite free. 4% on rip ticks to make it free

so you just pull big for them and they just bite the boss

[lean gale]

This FIrst pull is wild, wow

[potent anvil]

That's not even the real MDI pull

[mortal brook]

5t cleave on the bite, as well

[ionic fern]

It's mostly tank damage..and avoiding swirlies..and CC'ing the earthshapers.

WArriors just Spell Block that.

And chill for 20s.

[potent anvil]

Teams play disc+fire mage and reverse funnel with ignite. Just combust the mini boss or something and drag it into mobs and boss.

[lean gale]

i think when blizz wants us nerfed again, they remove spell block

[potent anvil]

What's wild is TJS, top teams play rshaman... because they need tremor totem for the 2nd pull. And I believe prot warrs are playing berserker shout or w/e the fear break shout is

Sub 13 min runs on a 21 TJS

[ionic fern]

Where video.

I need to time a 22 and i can't with these pug healers.

[lean gale]

Holy

[potent anvil]

I just heard about the strat. My team is just a bunch of casuals we only did RLP for fun and left

[tame jasper]

gratrz, i'm still 412 as 389 trinket and legs 😄

[mental scarab]

I dont understand How people can survive

[potent anvil]

Like look at RLP runs right now... Naowh, Skylark and Divinefield just all trying to one up the other

[ionic fern]

It's wild what a cordinated 5 man group who know their classes/dungeons can do, right=?

Imagine, if only..pugs knew.

[mental scarab]

Yea its so DUCKING cool

[tame jasper]

that's what I think all the time

[lean gale]

i would be fine with RLp +22 in 29 min too

[tame jasper]

there was a video by GG and Dratnos where they explained how they do a Necrtic Wake MDI style. Absolute impression. The vid is about 1h, while the run is not even 14 mins 😄

[ionic fern]

Jeh..i decided to give them a chance this time around.

[potent anvil]

This is TJS right now

tremor totem stonks :kekw:

[lean gale]

i am curios if we se some blood dk with the buffs

[potent anvil]

Dunno. Prot warr kinda has a lot going for them for these type of pulls

Spell block to basically sit in a large pack. Let alone their overall tankiness

Disrupting shout

is huge

Short kick (13s cd). Although BDK has 12s, but still good

[lean gale]

Ye i think we will get nerfed bc of this

[potent anvil]

Maybe. But no one does this on live, let alone majority of the player base.

Just niche stuff. Like berserker shout

[lean gale]

Imagine this on live

[potent anvil]

I did it on a 23 RLP this week
At least the first pull. Goes fine, tbh

You just need blasters

[lean gale]

i will try this pull too in my try to time this shit key +22 😄

[potent anvil]

🙏

[lean gale]

but thx 4 the awesome vid mate! Was a blast to watch

[potent anvil]

[lean gale]

i hit yesterday my first goal with 2,8k rating, now i try 2,9k but dunno if i get there with just pug

[ionic fern]

Sure you can.

[ionic fern]

That's the issue tho, isn't it.

[potent anvil]

My warrior is higher io than my DK, and I just pugged most of it. 2.9 io ez

[ionic fern]

It's worse after the MDI ends..every pug DPS'er going

DPS:"DO THE MDI PULL!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Me : "OKE!!!!!!!!!"
Do the pull, 0 interrupts, 0 DPS, dying to avoidable crap
DPS:"SHIT TANK"

[potent anvil]

Factual and true

[lean gale]

ye i pugged my rating too, i have enough time for it thx mate

[potent anvil]

I can't play bursting sores in live keys like I could on tourney realm on my DK... tanks never pull big, so I play the epidemic spammy disease build

[ionic fern]

I don't even take DK's into keys..because most of them are trash. 😦

[lean gale]

Or play Frost

[potent anvil]

It's kinda hit or miss. Some just don't like using their big CDs on cooldown

[ionic fern]

I did end up in a CoS with Biceps one time tho..he was good even in that relatively small pull dungeon.

[potent anvil]

Yeah, Biceps owns

Like I think a lot of DKs don't realize their army is basically a 2.5 to 3 min cd in keys if you play well.

I just send that stuff on cd and it's usually up for bosses

2H frost stonks this week though. Gonna try that out tomorrow

[ionic fern]

Probably, the few times i've seen DK's they use it so rarely.

[potent anvil]

Yeah... it's odd. But, I dunno... I've pugged a few DKs when I tank on warr, and some are decent and others just bad

Ret paladins though..

they lowkey kinda own

Doesn't really have funnel damage like what the meta comps need... but they kinda have stuff almost every pack

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-spencer-james-roday-under-the-radar-radar-psych-gif-10443588

My experience with them so far is that they do a ton of DPS constantly but they also die when a mob looks at them funny.

[potent anvil]

I believe in the 10.0.7 rework for ret 🙏

Yeah... they're actually quite squish

Especially compared to arms warrior... like I feel tankier as a dps warr than I do a ret pala.

[edgy spear]

It's a bit like hunters except they're in melee

[uneven ice]

Hi! 45k overall in +15 is kinda ok?

[warm plinth]

Depends on dungeon, ilevel, pulls

If it's in an AA, it's bad

[uneven ice]

TJS, 392ilvl

Pulls not really crazy, max two packs

[warm plinth]

That seems pretty okay

[uneven ice]

Fuck, I have to get rid of decoration, as the sim says. Hoof makes me do more damage 😦

[patent saddle]

How do you stay alive on high key tyrannical in jade serpant 3rd boss ? On 1st when green mechanic happend I did shield wall spell reflect was ok , on 2nd I did spell block last stand and rally and I survived , on 3rd I had only spell reflect and I died , healer told me he can't heal that , what do I do to survive all 3 and possibly 4th if it comes ?

[uneven ice]

We’ll, dmg is dmg

[uneven ice]

Healer should be able to heal with u using the CD that way

[halcyon dust]

Check pins. Run double wall

[uneven ice]

At most, double wall and pots

But no more that you can do

[ionic fern]

Hoof can also do negative damage.

😂

It's too RNG for my taste.

[potent anvil]

I got a 421 hoof last week and I hate it. I went back to my trusty 408 hooves

[ionic fern]

If you cast Spell Block at the end of the Jades kick you can cover 2 kicks with it.

It's not a "tank only" mechanic - it's also a very healer dependant mechanic.

You shouldn't need to Spell block + LS+ Rally.
Spell Block + IP + IV as needed.

Healer saying "I can't heal that" sounds like a poor excuse for poor play if you're using your CD*s properly.

You can also Healthpot.

[uneven ice]

I hoped so, caused I wanted to keep decoration. But three runs says that I do more damage with hoof, if 45ish is ok

I’m sad

[ionic fern]

I got most of the "good" trinkets outside of Grief and i'm still using Whetstone + Decoration.

[lean gale]

Whetstone gang

[uneven ice]

Wait, hoof I mean the haste one with strength on use

Is that RNG?

[ionic fern]

[potent anvil]

Yeah, I knew what you were saying. Hoof is blazebinder's hoof. Hooves is Idol of the hooves or w/e it's called.

I just like the idol of hooves

Does like 3% of my dmg, gives str

[uneven ice]

Aaaa, I got confused when I read hooves

[ionic fern]

I tried Hooves once..it did 800 DPS on a boss.

[uneven ice]

Lol

[ionic fern]

Just keeping to my boon.

[uneven ice]

We’ll, I suppose hoof being 405 and decoration 378 makes a diff

[potent anvil]

Wait, hooves did like 7% of my dmg one time on a boss. It owns

[ionic fern]

It's RPPM.

It can either be godlike or garbage.

[potent anvil]

I believe in it

[ionic fern]

Another persons hoove did 3k.

[uneven ice]

xd

[ionic fern]

On the same boss

On same kill timer.

😂

[lean gale]

You should belive in Ruby Whelp

[uneven ice]

Now I’m going as sims say: blaze hoof and rumbling ruby

At least I don’t have to go with two on uses. I hate that

[solar island]

Hi all! I am new on this discord! I've played all dungeons up to +19 both weeks on my rogue and now started playing with my warrior. Playing it is a blast!

[ionic fern]

Welcome, yes it is.

[potent anvil]

Prot owns

[uneven ice]

Yup yup

[solar island]

However I face some challenges I did not know excisted since on my rogue I always use tricks..... but on the AA bird platform. What is the best way to snap aggro on all the birds?

They are pretty scatered

[uneven ice]

Bring a hunter

xd

[solar island]

hell yeah!

[ionic fern]

"Group pls".

Or just Thunder clap.

[uneven ice]

Ask people to wait 2secs or die

[solar island]

Well I found they were out of TC range hence why I ask a question here

[potent anvil]

That's a dps player skill issue. Any sensible dps player will know when to dps.

Unless you're not hitting mobs

[ionic fern]

They have a lot on their plates already man..looking at the DPS meters is a hard job.

[solar island]

So basically it is accepting that not everyone has common sense lol

[ionic fern]

Thunder clap - Taunt - Leap onto w/e - Revenge - TC again.

[solar island]

dont forget scolding the healer!

[uneven ice]

Yea, pretty much tank life

[ionic fern]

If the DPS players are are spread all over the platform you just watch them die and laugh.

Where's that DH The Hunt'ing in in SBG clip when you need it...

[uneven ice]

I use ravager on first pack, roar on second and CS on third

[potent anvil]

When I pug academy, I like to do all the tree court trash... and all I do is just heroic throw each lasher pack and let them convene... I've seen a DH just fel rush into the pack and blade dance and die. When I'm just standing still waiting for all of it to come together

[solar island]

Ok.. guess it added an extra layer of frustrating since I always use tricks on CD at every new pack/pull on my rogue but should not expect the same from other people

[potent anvil]

[ionic fern]

Did he blame you?

[potent anvil]

Yeah

[solar island]

🤣

[potent anvil]

[ionic fern]

[uneven ice]

You’re a hero

[potent anvil]

I literally didn't touch anything... I'm just standing there so I can pop off

[solar island]

I guess.. I care more about group survival then topping the meters lol

So few dps use their tool kit. I just never noticed when I was a dps myself

[uneven ice]

You shouldn’t

[silver vessel]

did you communicate that you'd do taht?

because its typical that if you pull something, dps starts dpsing

[solar island]

what dps goes HAM when the tank is running around???

[uneven ice]

Most

xd

[silver vessel]

eh if tank pulls, most dps think its go time

[uneven ice]

Specially DH

[ionic fern]

That's dumb.

[potent anvil]

In a pug? I just hold W... and if I'm not dps'ing anything just to let mobs come to me... I imagine people will see that and think for themselves

[solar island]

So tanking is gonna be quite the journey right lol

[ionic fern]

When ever i play DPS and i know there's a potentially big pull coming (hoV first pull / AA etc) i just wait.

[silver vessel]

thats gonna take a while for adds to come to mid to group, can't imagine dps is gonna wait lol

[ionic fern]

I mean..of course?

They need to wait.

Wtf.

If they have even half a brain cell they wait.

[heavy vapor]

Common sense is nowhere to be found.

[ionic fern]

This is the reason why DPS'ers should play tanks.

To become better DPS'ers.

Holy crap.

[silver vessel]

I played tank first, then leveled a DPS

[ionic fern]

And you still don't understand waiting.

[silver vessel]

and I think just off the bat I'm better than 80% of DPS

because I know how the game works

[potent anvil]

I mean.. I play both tank and dps and it's just obvious to me what tanks are doing. I even played healer, so I have a decent perspective in each role. Dunno, I could hand hold every pug in the game... but that'll just become tiring.

[ionic fern]

[silver vessel]

I'm not saying I don't understand waiting, I'm saying a lot of DPS won't

[ionic fern]

Then they die.

[silver vessel]

from my (tank) perspectrive

[ionic fern]

And learn the hard way.

[silver vessel]

I'd rather just tell them if I'm doing a pull that isn't 100% obvious

before we start the key

[solar island]

Well to be fair... with current attitude people wont learn

[ionic fern]

Well, tbf the AA first pull is kinda obvious

[solar island]

They rather drop group then understand wtf they did wrong

[ionic fern]

Especially in the 20+ section.

If i plan to do something out of the "ordinary" pull wise, then i usually tell them.

[heavy vapor]

[ionic fern]

I also link the routes/pulls i do.

before the key starts.

So i expect them to know.

[silver vessel]

Yeah makes sense

[ionic fern]

(they never look at the routes/pulls btw).

[silver vessel]

I typically skip a lot of trash in AA to finish % before last boss

[solar island]

My experience it is ALWAYS the worst performer (Lowest dps, least kicks) that cocks up and leaves the group

[potent anvil]

I stop linking routes, unless they specifically ask... because no one looks at them

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

[potent anvil]

I remember doing a 23 AV and one of the dps asks me what's the next pull when I literally linked what we were doing at the start

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[lean gale]

routes linking is so pointless... i link route... dps asks why we go there

[potent anvil]

Now, I just dictate the pace and hope pugs keep up

[pallid quiver]

to be fair i don't even remember my next pull half the time

i just kinda do it

[ionic fern]

I avoid doing any pulls that require cordinated kicks on Fortified weeks.

Cause you can bet your life on it that they will all kick the same target at the same time.

[silver vessel]

ofc

[potent anvil]

Yeah, it comes with repetition, but if I'm doing something new/risky (big pulls) I'll quickly glance at my mdt as I move forward to it

[solar island]

I have not done all dungeons as tank yet. How is tanking NO? I know that one is hell as melee dps

[silver vessel]

NO is easy tbh

[potent anvil]

Prot warr takes no damage in NO

[pallid quiver]

Watch healer die to storm somehow

watch as DPS die over time

sit there awkwardly

[silver vessel]

Tempest is a healer knowledge check

[solar island]

sounds like fun

[silver vessel]

for lower keys

[potent anvil]

I guess brutalize slash on third boss is kinda scary on higher tyran

[ionic fern]

Real reason we enjoy Nokhud.

[pallid quiver]

Other pain point can be intermission on last boss with adds

[lean gale]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[potent anvil]

I learned earlier this week that brutalize slash or w/e wasn't blockable

[pallid quiver]

watch as dps insist they can simply out DPS the cast bars

[silver vessel]

Tempest reflect is no slouch either

[solar island]

I had all my pugs fall over on NO+19 this week at the last boss

Even when we marked, discussed kicks (in a pug!)

People just fell over. everytime just me and the tank left alive lol

[silver vessel]

I just played v low NO on my alt (+8), sheesh its so easy until it isn't at higher keys haha

[ionic fern]

Wait

What.

[pallid quiver]

I just assume the pug isn't clearing if we're unable to hard CC at least one of the adds on last boss

[ionic fern]

[patent saddle]

I used health potion on 3rd where I died

[silver vessel]

last boss does require coordination if your dps isn't overachieving

[patent saddle]

On details it showed I wasn't healed for 5 seconds there

[potent anvil]

I pugged into a 21 and it chunked me more than I remember it did

[ionic fern]

I swear it used to be blockable.

[potent anvil]

It's not blockable, I dunno when it changed or it always was like that

[patent saddle]

Is it cause I had absorb on me from boss and shows no heal cause it absorbs certain % of heals

Or I just got no heal for 5 seconds straight?

[ionic fern]

Okay, i'm not crazy..Sense's spreadsheet also said "Used to be blockable".

Ngl i figured it still was.

But now that you mention it..i was wondering why i got wrecked through SB on a 23 tyrannical.

😂

[potent anvil]

I just remember... it did like 300k or something and I'm like

[ionic fern]

Can't wait for them to make 2nd/4th boss not reflectable and not say anything about it.

So you run out and get one shot.

[solar island]

what source do you use for routes? Quick google learned me there is raider.io, icy veins, keystone guru

[ionic fern]

My brain.

[pallid quiver]

my face

[patent saddle]

When u have that absorb heal dot on you and you are getting healed from healer does details show you are getting healed?

[solar island]

what if you dont have one?

[potent anvil]

I just make it up as I go

[pallid quiver]

you got a face, don't you?

[potent anvil]

I'll usually just remember what % I need until last pull or boss or something

[patent saddle]

Cause my details showed I didn't get healed for 5 seconds straight

[solar island]

That one is busy slamming on the KB

[potent anvil]

How I get there... well its a new route every time

[warm plinth]

Like a true prot warrior

[ionic fern]

Look at the routes from all of them - see what you like.

Experience will teach you to optimise them.

[pallid quiver]

For pugs particularly, remember % breakpoints is the most important part

since you cannot control whether someone wants to bless a random pack with the glory of the moon or not

[solar island]

yeah I've seen that happen quite a lot, body pulling in RLP before first boss and CoS

[pallid quiver]

RLP is by far the worst offender

CoS is pretty bad, too

[solar island]

Oh and HoV ofc

panick running from spites into another pack lol

[ionic fern]

What do people bodypull in RLP?

[pallid quiver]

Everything before first boss

... flamegullet

[ionic fern]

👀

[solar island]

everything. Yesterday I did a +7 or so and people even pulled those casters on the ring where the dragons are

like.. how????

[pallid quiver]

Like, I was fightin' thunder boy one time

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay, a +7 is a different story.

[pallid quiver]

and then flame's like

[solar island]

you know, the onces standing on the inner side of the circle

[pallid quiver]

"hey kids, what's goin' on"

i don't understand sometimes

[lean gale]

+7 is the real high key

[pallid quiver]

that one was a +18 during my climb up

[ionic fern]

It seems like the flamegullet has been in a fixed position for a few weeks already.

It used to land in RNG places.

But now it's always the same.

[solar island]

well like said.. I dinged 70 this week on my warrior. Gotta practice somewhere no?

[pallid quiver]

It's also

on the exact opposite side from thunderhead

So my confusion will remain

[ionic fern]

Pugging makes you a great tank.

[pallid quiver]

if people gonna ass pull

They are gonna ass pull

[ionic fern]

People mess up so much in pugs that you learn to rely on yourself to do everything.

[solar island]

I did 100% pugs on my rogue. I was about to pull my hair out man. I wanna get comfy with tanking and run premades asap

[ionic fern]

HAHAHAHAHA, pulling your hair out when pugging as a DPS.

Oh man

[last nova]

did the nokhud 19 timed, very happy about this but got a RLP 20

[ionic fern]

You're gonna love pugging as a tank then.

[orchid frigate]

worst thing that can happen if you mess up the hyrja cheese is that you get sanctify first?

[solar island]

well I aim for the timer regardless of role 🙂

[ionic fern]

Worst thing that can happen is that you get her standing in the middle.

[orchid frigate]

ugh

true

[lean gale]

you really do the chesse?

[orchid frigate]

not now

[tame jasper]

sad but true

[solar island]

yeah kinda looking forward to it.. main reason I start tanking low keys. That plus my ilvl plus complete lack of faith in pug members

[ionic fern]

Yeah, but pugging as a tank is like 20x the pain that pugging as a DPS is.

😂

The only up-side is that you get invited to keys faster.

[solar island]

So guess I should start drinking or something

every fail = one shot?

[ionic fern]

The healthiest option is to come here and and complain.

[solar island]

Guess I will have alcohol poisoning within a week

[ionic fern]

We all hate DPS'ers here, it's fine.

[solar island]

🤣

Not sure if I feel attacked or not

My dps days or not behind me just yet

[ionic fern]

The amount of "SHIT TANK!!!" you will get from DPS'ers who die to frontals/avoidables is going to be insane.

Oh, and no one interrupts.

Oh, and everyone does shit DPS.

Oh and everyone bodypulls.

It's like babysitting 3 DPS'ers.

[solar island]

this one is the most disgusting, lack of usage of toolkits

[woeful trellis]

Tank = Jungle(LoL) im used to be the dude that gets flamed

[ionic fern]

I've seen only a few actually good DPS'ers in the 20+ pug scene.

[lean gale]

This is accurate 100%

[ionic fern]

And it's wild how much of a difference they make.

Not like "number wise good DPS'ers" but actually using their utility DPS'ers.

[solar island]

this whole list is why I just cant watch high level streams anymore. I see the DPS in their groups and their healer ussually does more dps then pug dps

[woeful trellis]

Only if u wanna reflect

[ionic fern]

Jeh.
We had a Rogue in a 22 HoV that just baited all of Fenryr's leaps and Vanished so no one got the bleed.

Was the chillest thing ever.

ANd i just INtervened the fixate.

And every other rogue i've gotten so far doesn't do it.

[warm plinth]

I would do it for you Mwahi ❤️

[solar island]

I do that to.. had a healer in group who never experienced that before. He asked if the fight was bugged lol

[jagged pier]

Every person i get in my hovs run from me when i intervene them

Even when i say

Dont run

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

I'd run from you too tbh, you're scary

[potent anvil]

I typed that I can intervene the fixate like 3 times during the boss this one time... and they still ran away.

[lime urchin]

This. After multiple multiple messages

[solar island]

bonus points if it is a rogue... instead of popping evasion

[ionic fern]

DH's are extremely great there

Intervene
Fel RUsh
Dead.

[jagged pier]

Yer i do that too

[potent anvil]

Unironically, when I pugged a 22 tyran on my DK as dps... I can just eat it because death strike exists

[jagged pier]

I got told after the fight i dont even know what u mean by intervene

And i was like number 1 say before the fight then

Number 2

Just dont move

[ionic fern]

To be fair..people talking about Evoker spells is like chinese to me.

[jagged pier]

Was the first thing i said

[warm plinth]

Now that's a typical fucking dps move right there

[jagged pier]

It was the healer

[warm plinth]

Oooof

[jagged pier]

Evoker spells are big

[lime urchin]

All I know is that they look cool while doing them

[solar island]

Depends on the key level I guess but take a step back. Imagine if you are new to the game. Running some places requires several PHD's if you've not grown into this absurd amount of stacked mechanics

plus class knowledge

[jagged pier]

It was a 20 for reference

[solar island]

plus proper addons

[warm plinth]

A guy in another discord asked me to review his brother's prot war log for Crawth because he was getting murdered and thought he just wasn't pressing defensives. The evoker didn't use Cauterizing Flame a single time in multiple pulls, and only time dilation once...

[ionic fern]

The only Evoker spells i know are:
Rescue - because it always seems like my game glitches when they cast it
Bleed removal.

[warm plinth]

I was like first of all your brother is doing fine. Second of all, what was that evoker doing the entire time

[woeful trellis]

I send the spell out of spellbock, so most of the time they will stand still. Cause they don’t know the name

[ionic fern]

I had that in a 22 RLP i did.."Evoker, do my first bleed"..

[jagged pier]

They can give us double leap

[ionic fern]

Did it 0 times.

[warm plinth]

oof

[cloud umbra]

lol

[warm plinth]

Like imagine having one of the strongest defensive buttons this season

and just not using it

[solar island]

"whadda ya mean, ya need a tampon?"

[cloud umbra]

man being a dwarf plus having an evoker healer really just negates that 2nd boss of RLP

[ionic fern]

Je, that also..i realised that during spider progress. 😂

[warm plinth]

I looked at the damage taken on the fight and showed him

Was literally 8-9k dtps on the rest of the group. 59k dtps on the tank

[cloud umbra]

how doable is 23 raging tempest without a dispel? I was just getting chunked the entire fight. Our group has 1 blood elf and thats it

[ionic fern]

Time your reflects with it.

So you run out and reflect during it.

[cloud umbra]

ok that is something i didn't think about. It just seems like he's perma buffed

[ionic fern]

Naa.

[cloud umbra]

i'll try it out again thankls

[solar island]

not sure but do you guys think a chest would be a decent upgrade?

[ionic fern]

It lasts for like 8s.

[solar island]

lol

[cloud umbra]

It does but its cast like every 15 seconds

[ionic fern]

Jeah, but he also casts a lot of other crap.

I just remember that pre-nerf when we did it on a 21 tyrannical with almost negative gear the safest thing it was to run out and reflect.

And by the time you get back half of it is already over.

On a 22 i diddn't even notice it.

[cloud umbra]

ya thats a good idea, i was just reflecting off cd

his melee hits absolutely wreck with that buff

[ionic fern]

I mean..

Just checking a log now on 22

They are a extra 30k after IP.

[cloud umbra]

is that from energy surge?

[ionic fern]

Ya.

[cloud umbra]

ya idk then. I already closed wow, so dont have my meters handy

[ionic fern]

I guess it's also the 100% AS buff he gets that could get spicy.

Definitely easier to dispell it, but 100% doable without.

[shell mortar]

This is how I do tempest boss in NO, have depleted a 24 but never dropped IP. You can line up every SR with every aoe circle thingy (think it was called lightning strike) besides the first one, which I spell block. When you do get the aoe circle just run out, SR and collect some balls and charge back in for rage

If you're down bad with rage gen, just pop wall

If you really feel some danger, rotate defensives for the AS buff and you're gucchi

SR is a godsend on that boss

[amber siren]

SR on lightning strike is a waste of damage compared to baiting the ranged attack I forget the name of

Oh wait never mind misread

[spare loom]

is Primal Molten Longsword the best wep option?

[hardy snow]

No

[spare loom]

strike twice is better?

[hardy snow]

any 421 will be better, but indeed strike twice is best as it gives secondaries like any other weapon, but have small additional effect as well

[warm plinth]

that's not to say you shouldn't craft a weapon at 418

[hardy snow]

but if you have only 415 weapon, then of course 418 crafted will be better, maybe on ST vs strike twice 415 it would need testing, but overall 418 should be better

[hazy sluice]

does the ruby whelp trinket come trained for single target? got a drop yesterday and macro checks ST 6

[hardy snow]

It shouldnt (at least mine didnt), you probably trained it when having previous one.

[warm plinth]

Yeah it doesn't come trained

[hardy snow]

or macro doesnt work properly

[hazy sluice]

hmmm... i think i got one on M0 weeeeeks ago and kinda didnt know how it worked, so default /use 13 it on CDs. dunno if the odds are high that i only single target trained it by then

thought you have to train each individual trinket itsels

[spare loom]

i have a 434 wep from AH and I wanted to see if I need to farm NO

[ionic fern]

434

[spare loom]

343*

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

yuge weapon

[ionic fern]

If you have a 343 you need to farm literally anything.

To get a upgrade.

Or even craft one.

[spare loom]

i'm already in season 2, you guys slackin 😎

[spare loom]

fair

[cinder nova]

You can do both.

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone know if this is true?

[cinder nova]

Wind Burst is the only thing that can be reflected, so using it on Lighting Strike then moving out to cop a reflect is entirely doable.

Non-combat embellishments don't take up your 2, yes.

If it says it wont, it wont.

[sick sentinel]

Thanks for the answer i saw a guy in the armory with 3(2) and i tough i was tripping.

[spare loom]

which is the fastest between AA, NO, CoS, TJS?

[elfin lake]

Guys! What do you think about stats? I’m currently hard stacking Haste Versa, but I just checked the rank 1 mythic+ warrior, and he’s stacking Crit as second stat. Should I craft my gear with that instead?

[hardy snow]

yesterday for me was TJS, people died to frontal on first boss, key ended after two wipes

[cinder nova]

[sick sentinel]

Does this effect of the food embelishment applies also to the potion embelishment ?

[median tulip]

You need some of every stat. I find the most comfortable array to be a ratio of H:C:V:M 3:2:1:1

[cinder nova]

Crit is more DPS and it can parry, so it still has defensive value. Vers is just flat damage increase and intake decrease, but it's less DPS and only nominally more "survival"

[elfin lake]

Would it be more benefital above +20?

[cinder nova]

Stats aren't gonna time your keys, you are.

Worry less about fine itemization.

It's obviously fine at above +20 because you just said the rank 1 warrior is using it.

[median tulip]

One of the issues in DF is that the availability of useful ilvl crafted items has made it possible to stack a secondary way past the point where it ceases to be a good idea

[cinder nova]

Also ratio targeting is full gooning. Obviously some of each stat isn't bad, but aiming at Mastery is yikes. You're gonna get stats of every kind just by the virtue of wearing tier, so it's not really something to worry about in that regard. Target Haste on pieces you can, the rest is pretty much gonna sort itself out.

You're not gonna hit those points without a bunch of 421 gear.

[pallid quiver]

I'll tell you what, I was aiming for mastery for a bit there

if only because i had literally 0 mastery so it was the biggest DPS increase for me at the time, but still

[median tulip]

It's not really targeting so much as there's a noticeable difference when you have no Mastery at all. And ofc the sims at that point will be screaming at you to add Mastery wherever possible

[elfin lake]

I see I see

[median tulip]

Exactly where I was at

[cinder nova]

When you say sims, you better not mean Pawn.

[median tulip]

Lol no

[pallid quiver]

raidbots

simc

etc

[elfin lake]

I’m just sitting on resources and thought about crafting Frostfire belt and a Sword, but hesitating and which stats to add

[cinder nova]

Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers

whatever gets you harder

I'd go Haste/Crit tho

[median tulip]

If you have the rings, Frost fire belt is ok

The best weapon is the one from NO, tho

[elfin lake]

I have one ring so far and one from CoS

[plush summit]

Hey, i have a question about Trinkets for Prot warri i only play m+ so i don't have the BiS Trinkets as source. The Guide on WoW Head says the Rubywelpling is good but on my other char (where i have it) it only procced for 1 minute in a 40 minute dungeon. Is it really good and worth the farm and valor Upgrades.

[median tulip]

You have to train the Whelping

[cinder nova]

Get yourself a whetstone and crank

If you want to play dangerously get a storm-eater too

[elfin lake]

Would it worth to recraft the necklace?

[cinder nova]

Unironically Storm-Eater hits like a fucking truck in aoe

[brittle silo]

if you're rich boi, maybe. If not - no

[elfin lake]

And kills you in seconds 🤭

[cinder nova]

Good way to die if you use it without discipline

[hardy snow]

Wowhead says its good because it sims well if its fully trained, but it has low proc chance thus its quite random. And if its not trained - its total this.

[cinder nova]

Recrafting Lariat is so stupid cheap.

[median tulip]

Whetstone is amazing. I usually pair it with my all totem

[cinder nova]

New stats or upping ilvl?

[elfin lake]

I have friends to do it for free, not an issure

[merry phoenix]

if someone on eu raganros wants their necks upgraded I could do it for you without charge

[cinder nova]

idk then do whatever mate

[elfin lake]

Already 418, just new stats

[cinder nova]

Sim it and see what comes out topside

[brittle silo]

so sim for dps

[cinder nova]

idk I've never died from Storm-Eater's yet

But I also make sure I'm not pressing it on dumbass moments.

Like watching a monk get glocked pressing it on a quad pull in AA near tree boss

The temptation is massive, but dying is pointless

[brittle silo]

sims don't lie. On the other hand playstyle is a good thing to consider. If you can't manage magic dmg with IP/SB/SR and other stuff, vers might be a better idea.
Imho it's subjective for a tank

[cinder nova]

I feel like a meme running double use trinkets, but the damage speaks for itself.

Although I only did 90K on AA in the overall

[elfin lake]

I still have nightmares of the bird boss on Academy, couldnt time +20 because of that

[brittle silo]

u guys have move than 2 trinkets to choose from?

[cinder nova]

I got like a bag full of them lol

[brittle silo]

Finally timed 21 yesterday. Out of 7 tries birdy was the problem only once

[elfin lake]

I wish I was a Dwarf for once

[cinder nova]

Dwarf is huge this season tbh

[elfin lake]

Just for Academy 😤

[cinder nova]

Huge every season honestly

Lots of tank bleeds that they can duck

[hardy snow]

what affixes there will be next reset?

[warm plinth]

burst/expl

[elfin lake]

Fck Dwarves

[brittle silo]

Hoof + bone/horn on me ^^ can't get my hands on windscar unfortunately

[cinder nova]

I got hoof, dragon games eq, decoration, horn, ruby, whetstone, storm-eater, and... I don't remember the last one.

[hardy snow]

I've shouldn't ask

[livid osprey]

Constant magic damage and these massive bleeds hurt so much on everything except for a dk. If not on blood I feel kinda hopeless against them

[elfin lake]

I feel you, my dk is chewing AV and AA

[ionic fern]

Crawth is chill.

Just plan your CD's.

Have to rely on your healer a bit, but not much.

AV is also full chill..what's hurting there?

👀

[cinder nova]

Nerf on the 2nd to last boss was meme-tier

Now it's a cakewalk

[livid osprey]

Even when staggering my cds I feel like a lil bitch on birdie as guardian or warrior

[ionic fern]

The only bosses i feel like i'm at the healers mercy are TJS 3rd and RLP 2nd.

[ionic fern]

[livid osprey]

I guess it's just Blood Dk bias, too many years on it and I feel like a bitch when getting slightest bit of help from healer

[plush summit]

should i train the ruby for the haste/crit buff or the AOE damage?

[ionic fern]

ST

[nova spoke]

how many times do you find yourself needed to tell people what to do in keys?

[brittle silo]

every RLP and NO

[nova spoke]

i dont think you can type enough in RLP

please stand on me, come closer

[hazy sluice]

when do u pull the 2nd dude before hirya?

[nova spoke]

dragin inc anywyas

[brittle silo]

I limit myself to 2nd boss

[brittle silo]

the moment 1st dude is 1s deep into his buzz storm

[dense ledge]

academy bird bossi, do you pick up one of those haste orbs or is this only for the dps? I picked one up and was epic to counter the tank buster but not sure I was griefing

[nova spoke]

i was thinking how much better prot is than bear after swapping, i forgot to count impending victory in the comparison. its literally just FR

its got bear signature spell

[spare loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nUMdDdF1SPsEDogLQGcFmU
is this low dps because of the weapon?

[nova spoke]

anyone else swap from a bear here?

[spare loom]

i have around 22K overall in most dungeons

[dense ledge]

buy some enchants, looks like you have 0

[nova spoke]

all the 7g enchants like a good cheap man

[deep spruce]

It's low because ur ilvl is 377 in general

But yes, a higher ilvl weapon would increase it. But that's true for any other item

[vale anvil]

Hello what races are currently in meta for prot warr in Horde and Alliance?

[amber siren]

DID/Dwarf/Nelf ally, I don't think horde has a meta race right now?

Belf dispel is kinda handy

[brittle silo]

isn't like orc BF nice for big bursts of aoe engage?

[ionic fern]

Meh.

DID/Dwarf/Nelf as said.

Rest is w/e, just pick what looks nicest.

[brittle silo]

[sick sentinel]

any1 got a stance macro

[blazing condor]

pins have

[feral musk]

Anyone know if there is a weakaura for the more crazy debuffs in m+? Like the sering blows for exampel

[lime urchin]

Yes, search on wagio for m+

And you will find them

[deep spruce]

The Reloe pack is BiS

[feral musk]

Well not really looking for something to warn me of tank buster or aoe etc

Mabye it's a do it self

[deep spruce]

What exactly do u mean then? What do u want to know?

[astral crystal]

Like when it’s coming?

[deep spruce]

U want to know when the debuff is on u, instead of when it is coming for u to prepare for it?

[feral musk]

No more when i have it on me, thing is i don't wana move my whole debuff bar

[astral crystal]

Reloes probably has that

[feral musk]

I just want some specifik ones to track in a wa i can have easy to see

Reloes?

[deep spruce]

Reloe's weakaura pack

then just remove whatever u dont want

but searing blows, for example, u want to know exactly when it's coming, so u can prepare for it

not wait until u have it

and then panic press shit

[feral musk]

Yeh i wana se when it's on me

Haha what

No you get stacks of it so

And 1 stack is not defensiv worthy

[deep spruce]

.... but it almost instantly stacks up to 4

so u would shield wall just at first application

and spell reflect, so u only get 3 stacks

[feral musk]

No need help with defensive use haha i just want a tracker

[lofty widget]

just make a basic wa that tracks debuffs

[feral musk]

Mabye it's easy, il try

[deep spruce]

What lvl of keys are u doing

[dense ledge]

https://wago.io/DFS1Dungeons

[feral musk]

Trying to time it on 22

[feral musk]

ty

[dense ledge]

you have to read the description tho for how to set it up

nice pack

[deep spruce]

What do u use for timers? Littlewigs?

[feral musk]

Yeh il look around if there is anything good

[feral musk]

My brain

xd

[deep spruce]

Cant tell if trolling or not

[feral musk]

no? i just know when abilitys come?

When you drive home you don't think of when to turn, same shit when you play alot i guess

[deep spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-cheers-well-good-luck-with-that-peter-dinklage-gif-17716917

[waxen cedar]

U can Parry it not reflect, u never use def.untill u have 3 stacks...

[deep spruce]

Maybe its just me but i feel like reflect consistently means i get 3 stacks instead of 4 - and using wall on the first hit, covers all of them and the duration of the debuff

so although its perhaps not necessary for the first 2 stacks, its not wasted and used to negate some dmg from the add at the same point

[waxen cedar]

Damage comes from dot not from hit itself, at least on relevant key level... Also with 25% Parry u should usually only get 3 stacks but that has nothing to do with SR... Can't really reflect ability with 0 magic portion

[lofty widget]

from you get the first stack until the last stack drops is 7 seconds, so no harm in using SW on first stack

[deep spruce]

Yeah this is my view on it as well, might as well use SW for full duration while add is still up as well for more use, rather than popping it at 3 stacks when add is dead, and there is nothing else to negate after the dot, other than melee hits from the boss which do nothing anyway.

[deep spruce]

Fair enough, i can stop using SR there then 😄

[ionic fern]

You can still use it. The add does ticking magic damage.

[deep spruce]

I'll be honest though, i thought the dot part was magic damage

[rough egret]

But you can SR elemental dmg

[deep spruce]

the 'searing' part implies fire dmg to me, and thats what confused me into thinking the SR was negating a tick, rather than parry

[ionic fern]

A lot of people thought that in the beginning.

Including me.

[deep spruce]

Yeah, i did think that i read that here

[slim dove]

def always SR to help reduce the magic dmg from the dot

from the add*

[last jungle]

Hey guys, is the talent Enduring Alacrity a bad choice in m+ content?

[undone verge]

It’s meh

[last jungle]

Sucks, it sounds good thnoughj, armor, haste, hp

[undone verge]

Isn’t alacrity 5% armor Stam and 1% haste

[last jungle]

exactly

[undone verge]

Yeah there’s better choices is the problem.

[last jungle]

i see

[undone verge]

It’s not necessarily bad to run it, but if you take a point out of like shield charge or something, there’s better things to put it in if you want that defense

[last jungle]

Understandable, how about left side, heroic throw? is that bad to run as well, i eman 5 targets pull is not bad,

mean

[undone verge]

Improved heroic throw or titans throw?

[amber siren]

titan throw is pretty much a dead talent

[last jungle]

titans sorry

[hardy snow]

you can use it if it helps you pick up aggro

[undone verge]

Titans I’m guessing, which again it doesn’t look like a terrible talent, but I don’t really see a situation where I’d need to kite while still maintaining cleave on adds to hold aggro. Usually you’re in, ravager, TR outburst TC maybe once or twice. Revenge a bunch, then if you need to kite you pretty much have aggro locked down

Again, just better talents to choose from

[last jungle]

whats a good start for gaining max aggro then?= i am new to Df

i use to cahrge, thunderclap oldschool xD

[undone verge]

Usually for every pull I have at least ravager, shield charge, or TR, if not you can always throw revenges or TC and hold challenging shout. All of those abilities are really good to grab threat right away, especially with shield charges free revenge proc

[last jungle]

Gotcha, thank you all very much

[final orbit]

Hey, im starting with my Warr today and figured im going to tank but will later on also play Arms (maybe also Fury) for my Mythic Raid, which items should i build on a fresh toon?

[undone verge]

If ur gonna multi spec I wouldn’t recommend making a weapon, so maybe a lariat or whatever you have low ilvl in.

[edgy spear]

With valor uncapping in 7/8 days i'd craft whatever helps getting in to higher keys/raids

Then you can always valor upgrade a 2hander later.

[final orbit]

Okay lets word it other, what Embelishment item should get besides Lariat

[edgy spear]

Belt is nice incase you get one of the raid rings. Roughly similar dmg benefit (~1%) as the other embellishments

Helm is similar dps but you want tier in that slot. Bracers are decent but bracers are a low stat budget item while belt is a medium. Fang adornments/armor spike are ok too

[past ginkgo]

What four pieces do we want for tier?

[sick sentinel]

i chose not to do hands

401 ilvl 2040 io

[amber siren]

ilvl but otherwise legs/head/shoulders/whatever else

[sick sentinel]

maybe if it worked with bleed, and even then, we got TC bleed

[civic olive]

Anyone got any tips for high tyran cawth

[sick sentinel]

define high key, assumption is 20+

[civic olive]

Aye

[sick sentinel]

i dont run 20s

[undone verge]

Pray

[sick sentinel]

im at 15-20 progression last year and a half

best key i did this season is 3 timed 15's, and best i did in SL is an 18 on time

[undone verge]

It’s more just a matter of rotating cds. Shield wall, LS, impending victory, rage builders like ravager and demo shout so you can IP the bleed

[toxic gyro]

Manage your defensives for bleed, communicate with your healer when you don’t have anything for the bleed.

[sick sentinel]

bring evoker

makese it you only have to suffer 3 bleeds in a row

so you get 15 seconds of respite a second to not have to worry about bleed

[civic olive]

That sounds nice

You think the double ravager is worth just for that fight?

[jagged pier]

no

[toxic gyro]

I wouldn’t take just for that personally

Just manage your cds

Remember that your avatar + ravager is a cd too pretty much

[sick sentinel]

my 15 AA last night that TECHNICALLY went over time

but didnt count as fail, this was the point i had an understanding, of if i pushed any more i was gunna not have a good time

[lime urchin]

You mean frostfire belt?

[modest grove]

Guys, noob question: if i’m facing my back to a caster, and i spell reflect, will the spell be reflected? Also: where is the hitbox of my shield, i mean: is the shield protecting me as far as the enemies are in front of me, or does the shield protect me even from enemies hits on my sides ?

[deft mortar]

damn

no idea brother

legit played warr for all this time

and I always faced the mf casting @ me

[lofty widget]

reflect works from all sides, block only works in a 180 degree angle in front of you

[edgy spear]

Yes.

[sick sentinel]

i believe you still need to face enemy casting at you to reflect but i could be mistaken, its a bad idea to have your monsters faced at the group, or your backside

i could be wrong about front only reflects

[uneven mason]

You are

Spell block though, that's the real question

[sick sentinel]

if you have back to enemy, you cannot attack enemy and get aggro, and you cannot block attacks also