Haste crit like a real chad
#protection
uneven mason
deft mortar
That depends on ur DPS'ers DPS
sick sentinel
yes, that was my message before i got off topic
lusty tiger
And only do AA
edgy bone
@urban portal which gear actually matters
spare loom
Haste crit like a real chad
oh okay
deft mortar
Speicifically your DPSers Single Target DPS
sick sentinel
its slightly better for fire ring, but nothing worth writing home about
edgy bone
I have 421 whetstone
deft mortar
Since any multi target fight you will do >100k dps
lusty tiger
Even better wipe a few times on tree boss
urban portal
big trinkets
lusty tiger
You’ll get your 70k
uneven mason
I have 421 whetstone
I might actually hate you
edgy bone
I have 421 melandrys ring
half canyon
Hi there, quick question about the interplay between Shield Block and Ignore Pain. If both are active at the same time, which one is applied first?
For example, if I have 20k Ignore Pain shield and 50% block. I get hit with a (blockable) 30k damage hit. Is it:
- 30k gets 50% blocked down to 15k.
- 7.5k of that 15k is ignored.
- Leaving me with 12.5k Ignore Pain left and taking 7.5k damage.
or is it - 15k of the 30k gets ignored.
- 15k gets 50% blocked down to 7.5k.
- Leaving me with 5k Ignore Pain left and taking 7.5k damage.
(In this example, only the remaining IP is different. But if my block wasn't 50%, both the damage taken as well as the IP left would be different.)
Thanks! (Also please make your response a "reply" so I actually see it =] )
edgy bone
What other trinket do I need for max
craggy pilot
how do people handle Sparks on Rasz HC? I see in Mythic etc theyre standing 2 and 2 on each other, but it seems to be not really possible 🤔
deft mortar
I have 421 Puzzle and it makes me crit 365k Shield Slam
u keep ur funny wind trinket
lusty tiger
Zzz
edgy bone
I have 421 Puzzle and it makes me crit 365k Shield Slam
🤣 that's fkn sick
spare loom
Haste crit like a real chad
for real tho?
edgy bone
Which actually gives more DPS, incarnate icon or hoof
llarold has hoof listed as A- trinket
urban portal
Hi there, quick question about the interplay between `Shield Block` and `Ignore ...
block goes first
edgy bone
@deft mortar word word ty
warm plinth
Hi there, quick question about the interplay between `Shield Block` and `Ignore ...
DRs happen first, then absorbs
uneven mason
for real tho?
Yeah, all our stats are close together
urban portal
Which actually gives more DPS, incarnate icon or hoof
sim is the best way to figure it out
edgy bone
@urban portal ok ty
half canyon
block goes first
Oh wow, thanks! I'm (pleasantly) surprised by this. I would have thought absorbs always came first. I used to main disc priest and I thought absorb shields always happened pre-mitigation.
urban portal
like think about it
who cares if your 1 hit is big
when you can get more hits
and vice versa
theres always an optimal mix of everything that is solved by sims
half canyon
DRs happen first, then absorbs
thanks!
urban portal
thats why i ahte it in arms channel when people ask "whats the biggest MS you got"
if you stack vers mastery then sure you get big hits
edgy bone
thats why i ahte it in arms channel when people ask "whats the biggest MS you go...
323k
urban portal
stack vers mastery and youll get 400-500k
but those arent stats that give you highest dps
lusty tiger
Filthy
uneven mason
Oh wow, thanks! I'm (pleasantly) surprised by this. I would have thought absorbs...
Take a look at how much a mob does in raw damage, absorbs are already pathetic, vs raw damage they would literally be trying to slow a bullet with single ply tp
edgy bone
@daring marlin what is FR
uneven mason
Focused rage
half canyon
Take a look at how much a mob does in raw damage, absorbs are already pathetic, ...
yeah that makes complete sense. I wonder if my memory from my disc days is flawed (this was back in legion) or if it's changed since then.
uneven mason
yeah that makes complete sense. I wonder if my memory from my disc days is flawe...
It hasn't changed, disc was just op, warriors were blocking for millions in legion as well
half canyon
👍
lusty tiger
Should not lose all your defensive stats because you have an absorb
half canyon
Well you wouldn't lose them. They'd still apply to whatever is left after the absorb.
lusty tiger
After the absorb
Meaning you would be losing them because u have an absorb
Which would be 💩
half canyon
Except you wouldn't be losing them. You'd just be getting hit with less damage because you have an absorb. And your mitigation would play on that damage. It could work just as well in either scenario. It would just need different scaling.
lusty tiger
Ok
modern brook
Is that a request to make one or did I make one in the past and I also forgot about it
urban portal
Except you wouldn't be losing them. You'd just be getting hit with less damage b...
absorbs would need to be like 8x stronger
or something ridiculous
and the balance would be completely screwed for dps
and you'll never put an absorb on a tank
half canyon
yeah definitely. it's cleaner this way, i just didn't like that people were saying your stats would be completely useless if it was implemented the other way.
urban portal
the absorb itself would be
lusty tiger
They would
urban portal
you may as well not have an absorb
half canyon
? lol
if the system was like that, blizz would have made the absorbs much stronger to begin with to factor it in.
lusty tiger
Wtf
urban portal
then it would be absolutely bonkers on a dps
it would be like 400% of a dps's health
unreal dome
does heroic leap still reset taunt CD?
tropic tangle
I mean, you'd essentially be transferring tank scaling to DPS / heals via the absorb scaling
it would be silly
forest tulip
i swear, AV is the most unforgiving dungeon to time
half canyon
yes the scaling would be wonky af. but your defensive stats would not be useless.
sick sentinel
yeah i did like you guys said on pulling the worm with the bats pack my SBG 15 today/last night we timed
lusty tiger
i swear, AV is the most unforgiving dungeon to time
That or hov pre health nerfs
sick sentinel
worked out great
sick sentinel
ouchies
lusty tiger
Hm
urban portal
ignore pain is how much per cast?
uneven mason
it would be like 400% of a dps's health
So.....legion disc?
urban portal
well he did play legion disc
half canyon
ignore pain is how much per cast?
i believe it's around 10% of your max health
urban portal
so maybe thats the way he wanted to be
well its by attack power
not by your max health
half canyon
oh interesting
urban portal
but lets say it is 10%
sick sentinel
ignore pain is how much per cast?
for me
warm plinth
Only the cap is based on your max health
sick sentinel
440k hp flat
urban portal
yeah 10% is a fine estimate
half canyon
ah okay makes sense
sick sentinel
401 ilv
urban portal
more or less based on vers/mastery
sick sentinel
yeah, thats the othe reason i like versa
urban portal
if it was pre mitigation it would be 9% of the hit
sick sentinel
improves my heal-ish shit
half canyon
ya so much better this way
lusty tiger
It scales dynamically with each spec
Utilizing your already having DRs
Or not having in the case of dps
urban portal
anyways you get my point
deft mortar
Wot
urban portal
you either make absorbs broken on DPS and useless on tanks
or make it decent for both
sick sentinel
does the BDK buffs make dks any where near on par with pwar
deft mortar
Don't interrupt penance, stun it
Interrupt Shadow Mend
If you can't interrupt shadowmend and its stacked change target
It has a debuff
sick sentinel
im wondering how much the bdk buffs really gunna do to affect fotm re-rolller
lusty tiger
That doesn’t sound like a training dummy mechanic set
deft mortar
They dp nothing mate lol
neat parrot
IS the tank line on terros bugged ? sometimes i hold aggro and it cast the slam on the off tank
deft mortar
I guess you aren't arms or smth
half canyon
IS the tank line on terros bugged ? sometimes i hold aggro and it cast the slam ...
is it possible you are out of melee range?
deft mortar
Ew
half canyon
IS the tank line on terros bugged ? sometimes i hold aggro and it cast the slam ...
i know dathea uses her tank buster on the offtank if the main tank is currently out of melee range.
sick sentinel
when i play priest
i go into lfd to lv up, and then, everyone dies, and i get kicked, usually
lusty tiger
Wow that is sad
toxic pewter
Why am I seeing this p word repeatedly
sick sentinel
this is the normal experience i have as healer generallly
toxic pewter
🤢
sick sentinel
i can do, it, i just, im not young enough to give a fuck any more
i quickly lose interest and mentally afk
tulip kelp
Sounds like thats why your party is dying
lusty tiger
Then u shouldn’t be playing heals
toxic pewter
Rather die a warr than live long enough to see myself become a priest
sick sentinel
at least tank, i can control some of whats happening
lusty tiger
I like pugging dungeons as healer to see how much I can heal through missed mechanics
sick sentinel
i can heal on a druid or shaman
neat parrot
i know dathea uses her tank buster on the offtank if the main tank is currently ...
ya that was the fucking issue sometimes i went in the middle of the spikes
sick sentinel
but on a hpal or both priests, it just, i have high hopes, but it never pans out
half canyon
does the BDK buffs make dks any where near on par with pwar
from the perspective of a healer main, i avoid m+ groups with dk tanks. their hp is so freaking erratic. i think it'd be easier to play around if i finally setup a weakaura to track their runic power (so I know when they aren't going to be healing themselves). prot war spreads the damage out so much smoother which allows the healer to better prioritize healing and avoid overhealing / wasting gcd's on healing a tank that just healed themselves from 40% to 100% right before your cast got off...
lusty tiger
Hpal is very hard
uneven mason
from the perspective of a healer main, i avoid m+ groups with dk tanks. their hp...
Bdk has a lot of mitigation now actually it's vdh that has the yoyo hp
sick sentinel
i don't have major issue with main pally tree for 3 specs, meh for ret, good for holy, looks bad for protpal
uneven mason
I mean compared to warrior they're all yoyo
reef holly
i go into lfd to lv up, and then, everyone dies, and i get kicked, usually
What level is ur priest?
uneven mason
But bdk stays up pretty consistent
sick sentinel
BDK is live lord
half canyon
Bdk has a lot of mitigation now actually it's vdh that has the yoyo hp
i also found monk to be surprisingly yoyo this expansion. in SL, they were my favourite tank to heal due to their smooth damage spread (and being able to see what their current level of stagger was so you know in advance ho much damage they gonna be taking). now for some reason I see them yoyoing a lot.
sick sentinel
BDK can stay alive for 4 minutes after everyone dead
reef holly
60, i have 2 of them
Holy priest was real fun to play S3 and 4 of shadowlands
sick sentinel
thats bdk special ability
reef holly
i go into lfd to lv up, and then, everyone dies, and i get kicked, usually
Holy priest has a ton of spells to fix peoples mistakes
sick sentinel
you mean like how i get hit off the bridge every time in SBG, and they yoink
sick sentinel
BDK is what you play if u want to win by attrition
it will win the long game, but chaotically
tulip kelp
Our VDH solo tanked last 20% of RLP last boss without healer.. didn't know they had such good healing/survivability.. I def can't survive that debuff solo
deft mortar
^ AVG WARR CASTING SHIELD CHARGE
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-slide-gif-26373889
interven
lusty tiger
@deft mortar
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YpBUfTzHoPs when i time a key
uneven mason
Our VDH solo tanked last 20% of RLP last boss without healer.. didn't know they ...
All the tanks can do this
timber forge
I need to see one action bar from main tank prot lol I choice the worst buttons for importants cds
lusty tiger
U need a system
sick sentinel
DH is bad ass
lusty tiger
Nah
true raven
DH is bad ass
DH movement is unparalleled
lusty tiger
3 roll monk would like a word
true raven
Wings go brrrr tho
deft mortar
No one else seems to share the view that there are only 2 tank specs in the game, the ones who wear plate armor and a fkn shield..
Rest are just glorified dps
uneven mason
3 roll monk would like a word
Dh has a 8 sec CD on leap rite
uneven mason
Warriors dump rage into ignore pain
deft mortar
LMAO
lusty tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPkfrQw-RZo
This is kinda sick
sick sentinel
the story for doom....... oh... demons from hell.... invading.... the normal.....
lusty tiger
Dh has a 8 sec CD on leap rite
Idk
sick sentinel
the real lore to doom why doom guy is crazy
they kill his pet bunny
daisy
and this was break point
lusty tiger
Like John wick?
uneven mason
they kill his pet bunny
That's the story of doom2
sick sentinel
it's still canon at this point 🙂
deft mortar
Man I think I am addicted to spell reflect
Like
I can't fathom playing a class that doesnt have it
urban portal
until they make stuff not able to be spell reflected
aka a big part of shadowlands
that was cringe
deft mortar
Wait rly
thats giga cringe ngl
Shadow Sash + Dark Claw + Thunderstrike + Wise Mari RN give me a good time
With reflect
what else
wind oak
SL was antispell reflect
deft mortar
Sadly we cant do it with darkclaw in SBG
Imagine if that worked hooly
BIG
RBG 1st boss I guess
tulip kelp
All the tanks can do this
What? How? Stormslam can't be reflected and it absolutely trucks if you don't get dispelled
deft mortar
We need a spreadsheet
warm plinth
Any first tryers in chat?
toxic gyro
Shadow Sash + Dark Claw + Thunderstrike + Wise Mari RN give me a good time
NO best for sr
toxic gyro
Any first tryers in chat?
Skill
golden sapphire
Hey guys. I’ve been asked to play prot more often for the guild as they seemed to prefer my gameplay when the MT is out. It’s looking like I’m likely to just focus primarily on war now, so what is the better offspec for prot to work on when I’m not needed to tank? I messed with both arms and fury and they are both pretty ez to grasp. What’s everyone’s preferred offspec?
tulip kelp
I never had trouble surviving RBG last boss
Without a healer or dispell?!
tulip kelp
Lmao
sick sentinel
is the game set up that i can use my own primal infusion 405's to craft my alt gear
like, my warriors primals
tulip kelp
Nope
warm plinth
is the game set up that i can use my own primal infusion 405's to craft my alt g...
You can use the chaos, not the infusions
deft mortar
Just press defensives when I see stormblast or whatever tf and the DBM woman yells at me DEFENSIVES
tulip kelp
I have 14 concentrated primal infusions I'd love to send to some alts lol
strong forum
Hey guys. I’ve been asked to play prot more often for the guild as they seemed ...
arms overlaps more with prot stats as its crit/haste, i myself despise fury so yeah, either i dont offspec at all or arms
deft mortar
Did it 20 Tyra no trouble
tulip kelp
And like 4K primal chaos
deft mortar
Only trouble was that the drake died first and boss despawned while dismounting
KEKW
I rly dislike the state of fury rn
Bring back SL S3 Fury, out with this weird spec
tulip kelp
Yeah my comment was about a VDH soloing last 20% without a healer or dispell in a 20 tyrannical
And someone said any tank could do it.. but I've never been able to survive the stormslam stacks if I don't have dispel/healer
tulip kelp
Any first tryers in chat?
Did you really get that? 
warm plinth
yes
Offensive, yes
Only healers have defensive magic dispels (at least, ones that are short CD)
cosmic fractal
Or dwarf
forest tulip
they have consume magic from their class and arcane torrent from their racial if blood elf
deft mortar
I mean at %400 stormslam does 141072 nature dmg
Now multiply that by 4
It's just 564288 dmg if u have 2 stacks
forest tulip
i want a dwarf warrior so badly but all my friends play horde 😦
deft mortar
At 3 stacks its just 1128576 dmg still survivable
4 stacks its 2257152 I think that's getting doubtful
cosmic fractal
Dwarf is bleed/magic/poison/disease
deft mortar
Yeah nothing we can pop allows us to survive tru a stormslam with 4 stacks in place
Actually
Last Stand + Rally might allow us to hit 736734.41 HP
tulip kelp
Fucking dwarves OP af
deft mortar
But the phsyical dmg component would probs kill
tulip kelp
Seriouslyu considering faction change lmao
deft mortar
It does 736734.41 nature dmg post Dstance + SF + Demo + Wall
xD
If the boss is doing 400% dmg
If u had 3 ignore pains u probably could tbh
timber forge
running prot at keys 15~18 u guys pref Tough as Nails or Spell Block?
deft mortar
Are you comfy with swithing in and out of Dstance and using Spell Reflect trick?
If not u might run spell block
If yes go Tough as Nails its -3-4% of ur overall maybe
sick sentinel
i was so confused the other day running a key when out of nowhere he started fighting a demon and im like WTF, fhen he kills it and gets meta from it, all made sense in instant
deft mortar
some DH things
timber forge
Are you comfy with swithing in and out of Dstance and using Spell Reflect trick?
tbh im learning and feel more comfy with dstance 80% of the time 😦
deft mortar
Most ppl who default bstance know everything thats going to hit them hard in the dungeon
forest tulip
except fodder to the flame is bugged
deft mortar
Not cuz they react fast
sick sentinel
Would you go lower ilvl for tertiary stats like leech/advoidance on tier pieces ?
deft mortar
but tough as nails might helo u with aggro too hmm
timber forge
Most ppl who default bstance know everything thats going to hit them hard in the...
im learning with dstance and practice for someday use more bstance and see dstance as cooldown
deft mortar
ye we all been trough that brother
sick sentinel
i leave Dstance on for all over hyrja yellow balls, kb she does, and AA birdo
when he starts thowing fire
deft mortar
Once hyrja knocked me into a ball far away with shield of light
T^T
Fell to 40k hp
sick sentinel
cheers 
deft mortar
blizz legit deisnged an entire dungeon around avoiding cheese balls
timber forge
@deft mortar can u answer one noob question? lol xD
undone verge
most people here have a negative IQ so its probably above average
timber forge
sure
I played all the time from dps specs looking for tips on rage management.. like 80+ rampage etc.. at prot I have to save any number of rage all the time?
undone verge
hate is different from thinking its bad, but also I never said im one of the smart ones
deft mortar
The problem of prot is having 2 much rage
not saving rage
To avoid hitting 100 we click Ignore Pain
Since we have off-gcd rage dump we dont worry about rage
And our block spell is almsot 100% uptime
I usually keep a margin of rage readily available to make sure I can press Shield Block
And dump the rest on revenge or IP
timber forge
best ways to generate rage is shield slam for 1-2 target and thunder clap for 3+ ?
deft mortar
But if u wanna pump dmg u may wanna revenge and TC lmao
urban portal
ofc
deft mortar
and SS only when u truly out of options if its like a 5 pack
timber forge
okay
urban portal
but he didnt ask that
deft mortar
I think 3 pack SS hits more
undone verge
I played all the time from dps specs looking for tips on rage management.. like ...
I try to stay in the middle, goldilocks rage, dump above 70 ish, changing depending on your rage cap, worry about generating rage when im below 45-50ish
timber forge
my first priority learning is not to lose my aggro
deft mortar
That's the problem with playing a defensive build
Most of us pump so much dmg aggro is never a thought
timber forge
I try to stay in the middle, goldilocks rage, dump above 70 ish, changing depend...
thanks!!
urban portal
my first priority learning is not to lose my aggro
well damage=aggro
just generating rage wouldnt help you maintain aggro
prio SS would give you rage but not aggro
timber forge
I see a lot of prots running all the time bstance.. but I pug 90% of the time and everytime healers see my bstance before start he say to change LOL its very annoying
urban portal
then you arep laying with ppl who dont know what they are talking about
undone verge
bad healers
deft mortar
Most of us do self healig from our dmg done
undone verge
I almost got kicked out of a raid once for being in bstance cause I kept ripping aggro
deft mortar
With -14% leech, 4th set, and Brutal Vitality
timber forge
its a good idea taunt on mouseover? seems like easy to miss lol just thinking about.. the only macro I use is IP+SS and avatar+desmoralize+trinket
steel belfry
Anyone know if the Fenryr (HoV wolf) no runaway is intervene?
oak echo
yes
forest tulip
I pull big on an AV. trying to ramp up my bleed to hold aggro. DPS dumps entire rotation and rips aggro. "tank, aggro. wtf?" nah, mate. you can hold that for a bit. coulda used challenging shout but the dps was being a jerk so
timber forge
I pull big on an AV. trying to ramp up my bleed to hold aggro. DPS dumps entire ...
exactly what happens to me while im pulling mobs
undone verge
I see a lot of prots running all the time bstance.. but I pug 90% of the time an...
this was from some trash before sennarth where I did around 196k, fight lasted for a while cause most of the dps died lol, but bstance and my extra dmg provided me with a lot more IP cause of the dmg fueling it, as well as a lot more leech. Then its just a matter of maintaining SB and focusing on as much dps as possible
timber forge
very nice giga prot
I need to turn on in my head we do dmg too lol and learning when I drop my defensives and focus on maintaining SB and dps
thanks for all the tips
daring marlin
S2 M+ trinkets are gonna be bonkers.
undone verge
halls trinket for casters gonna be insane
daring marlin
I wonder what dungeons they'll bring back 🤔
undone verge
im betting bloodmaul slag mines, maybe darkheart thicket, stormstaut brewery, that one mop wall dungeon, but im hoping for a BFA dungeon
underott, kingsrest, atal maybe
undone verge
I hope you stub your toe really hard after this
daring marlin
Get a new crop of tanks that need to learn that dogwater wall strat for duo boss.
Better yet, nerf that strat.
fuck them melee
sweet surge
Does anyone have a stance dance macro that doesn't, at some point, brick? Mine eventually (not sure what causes it) becomes like in the image. The next press simply removes my stance and then I have to cycle through Bstance to reach Def stance to accomplish a job that should require just 1 press instead of 3
cosmic fractal
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2] Berserker Stance; [spec:1/3] Battle Stance
Has worked for me so far.
sweet surge
Will give that a shot, ty 🙂
cosmic fractal
Open world, and LFG stuff?
proud dock
ok thaks
sick sentinel
too close for me
cerulean tusk
proud dock
are AH's split by server and faction or just by server?
whats an exmaple of other items? boes? gear?
gotcha thanks
sick sentinel
sweet i can make bomb boxes for skill ups engi
cinder nova
sick sentinel
i wish on the auction house, you could sort recipes between newest, and old world would probably be the categories
harsh spruce
does revenge create threat?
undone verge
if you only press revenge then probably
dmg=threat, but revenge generates more threat I believe than normal abilities
oak echo
What's the context? Are you losing threat to a warrior or are you the warrior losing threat to dps?
mighty valley
afaik none of our abilities outside of heroic throw have a unique dmg:rage ratio
so you and your cotank are both warriors?
harsh spruce
yeah correct
mighty valley
if that's the case, your cotank is just bursting harder than you
or taunting when they shouldn't be
urban portal
if you are ripping in the MIDDLE of a fight
then you are bad
ripping at the start can happen
but from the way you worded your question you are just not pressing your damage buttons and he is
slim dove
press your buttons harder.
harsh spruce
how much threat can 90k in revenge cause?
urban portal
im not sure what your question is meant to answer
slim dove
tank threat is a 600% multiplier.
urban portal
you guys are both playing prot warrior
slim dove
so multiple 90k by 6 🙂
warm plinth
You're digging way too deep into the question honestly. You need to have a fundamental understanding of how to play the spec.
Which if you're thinking of threat numerically, you don't have that.
warm plinth
Threat is a byproduct. You don't actively think about it. You just press your buttons properly and threat happens
silver vessel
Maybe other tank taunted off because you were doing something wrong
I taunt off when its not my turn to taunt if co-tanks are being dumb
Like when Kurog needs to move
urban portal
^
This is likely what’s happening
The way threat is built in wow makes raid ripping impossible
forest tulip
is the tree boss on AA a healer check the higher up you go?
cloud umbra
not at all
undone verge
dps more like
its pretty much impossible to heal the dot on you after a certain threshhold
basically its a dwarf check at higher threshholds
forest tulip
i feel like im getting better but still trying to figure out if im doing something wrong. +15 AA and I would burn everything to get aggro on the lashers and kite back to keep them in front to block but somehow others kept dying
cloud umbra
if you have a dispel for the poison its ez mode.. not sure how it is without one
strong forum
if you dont have poison dispel
you just cant do high key
unless you have the most disgusting aoe burst in the game for each wave
cloud umbra
you could stun lock/ring/aoe burst them down
forest tulip
i make it through the first wave of lashers and save bitter immunity for the 2nd
also i am specced into thunderous roar and not shockwave. should i respec?
strong forum
you could stun lock/ring/aoe burst them down
if thats enough for each wave, sure
but like, 35 stacks of poison will almost 1shot you on 25+
cloud umbra
others dying during that phase means they got aggro/poison stacks
warm plinth
also i am specced into thunderous roar and not shockwave. should i respec?
Why wouldn't you be specced into both?
forest tulip
ah, thats where im going wrong
strong forum
bounding stride is personal preference
forest tulip
i think im using overwhelming rage as a crutch
warm plinth
You are
strong forum
is not a crutch, but you wanna spend 11 points below 3rd gate
if you have less there, you have too many in 2nd/1st gate
forest tulip
alright. im respecced
time to see how it goes
i did put one point into overwhelming rage instead of sidearm tho lol
cloud umbra
~2%
forest tulip
maybe i should go for a bit more damage because these dps cant dodge things or do mechanics
vocal flame
So I am an engineer and I finally can make the goggles. However, It just has the one stat. Is it worth it? The Tinker socket options aren't very good
warm plinth
Engineering isn't a very popular profession tbh
undone verge
I don't think it loses stats though
sounds about right, my 411 healm has 736 total stats
forest tulip
also silly question. why spec into auto attack enhancing nodes? it feels like we seldom auto with how often we're using abilities
warm plinth
Yeah definitely not losing stats then, ezpz
dire matrix
The way threat is built in wow makes raid ripping impossible
you can 100% rip threat
if your doing vastly more dps
had it happen in heroic runs
undone verge
can confirm pug tanks dps is terrible
warm plinth
also silly question. why spec into auto attack enhancing nodes? it feels like we...
what auto attack enhancing nodes
dire matrix
we jabe 3
vocal flame
Ok thank you!
undone verge
sidearm prob or the shield charge one
forest tulip
like wild strikes. it does give 2% haste but still. and sidearm
dire matrix
attack speed
forest tulip
well we need wild strikes
dire matrix
etc
forest tulip
for roar
dire matrix
well we auto
warm plinth
Attack speed = faster attacks = more devastator procs = more shield slam resets
dire matrix
so
forest tulip
wish we didnt tho
forest tulip
it just feels like we never auto. or at least i dont. feels like im always using an ability
dire matrix
you auto while ur using abilities
so thats ok
you just cant see the swing
with your animations
warm plinth
Yeah ability usage doesn't matter...this isn't vanilla 😉
You can swing and cast at the same time
dire matrix
ill swing you
warm plinth
dire matrix
ok no need to flex
strong forum
and its a huge chunk of your dmg
dire matrix
your big numbers
forest tulip
lmao rip. got invited to a +16. they told me to do a /ready check. i did. they laughed and left
dire matrix
🤨
dire matrix
memers
forest tulip
idk. they said "rc and lets start." i wasnt paying attention. said "r"
then i was like oh
and did /ready check
warm plinth
I thought it didn't pepehands
undone grove
does anyone know what addon/wa people use to track the ability cooldowns of mobs to the left of their nameplates
strong forum
it is
strong forum
does anyone know what addon/wa people use to track the ability cooldowns of mobs...
nameplate cooldowns weakaura
dire matrix
cant gain score 😦
strong forum
i put like 15hrs into apl on the weekend before DF launch to make sure its ready day1
warm plinth
that's why we love you
strong forum
didnt touch it since then
i thought it was normal proceedure to have it ready day1, turns out i was the only one next to BDK 
dire matrix
hard to sim in my head hoof vs whetstone over a dungeon
strong forum
when it came to tanks
urban portal
you can 100% rip threat
it has to be VASTLY
dire matrix
around 3-4x
urban portal
when you taunt you are taking all the accumulated aggro the next person has
dire matrix
which ive ran into repeatedly 😂
strong forum
funny thing is
dire matrix
especially on vdh during burst window
strong forum
when your cotank taunts, but you get mad outburst crit during it
urban portal
so the threat differential just widens every taunt
dire matrix
you really spike
strong forum
and as soon as taunt falls off you get threat back
urban portal
yeah that can happen
dire matrix
like hunt brand burst would yoink aggro vs random shitters
urban portal
but the way taunt is designed makes it tough to do so
strong forum
not rly
dire matrix
if taunt lasted 15s sure
strong forum
cuz if you do 3x the dmg of your cotank, during his taunt window
urban portal
well yeah
strong forum
you will keep threat
urban portal
but as the fight goes on it becomes harder to rip
dire matrix
if you got fotm andy in def stance full def trinkets talent tree
vs gigachad full dps gamer
😟
strong forum
when i pugged HC raid i didnt even taunt
sick sentinel
i discovered someone did AI seinfield tv show
strong forum
cuz i just got threat back by playing
sick sentinel
and im totally enthralled
dire matrix
ah yes the classic hope u drops tacks b4 u rip aggro
sick sentinel
its so surreal
undone verge
it has to be VASTLY
dire matrix
was like nah rather not bro
strong forum
rather just tell cotank to taunt only for mechanic
dire matrix
😂
round pendant
I have definitely yoinked aggro off of my cotanks many times
and they never react and taunt again
and I get electric jaw'd twice
thanks buddy
slim dove
i just leave in that case
undone verge
thats what defensives are for
round pendant
yeah but also they don't realise that I was the one that got electric jawed a second time
so they just let raz keep slapping me
cause they think I've just taunted it off of them
dusky canopy
When you’re dragging your co tanks alt BDK through raid and you’re doing 3-4x his dps you have threat problems
dire matrix
yeah i had a guy on raza normal be like if u wanna alwauys taunt i wont taunt
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
Literally what I’m saying too in raid lol
round pendant
Yeah it's fucking annoying
dusky canopy
“Sorry guy keep watching that threat”
slim dove
when you rip aggro on terros as line comes out
dusky canopy
Same same xD
round pendant
like why do I have to stop pumping just because other people are shit
thanks blizzard
cerulean tusk
If I tank and can't keep threath, I just tauntswap as the ability is just to go off - that way he can just pump and I still soak what I need to 
quiet monolith
If I'm shield reflect / spell block and IV , and still getting wrecked in a 18 tojs
On third boss
Can I blame my healer now
I SW one, spell block 2/3, and then last stand / rally
But I pug mostly and I'm getting dunked
quiet monolith
Yea I do
shy laurel
yeah blame em
quiet monolith
But then if we wipe, I can't pot for 4 minutes
shy laurel
Victory rush too?
quiet monolith
Yea
warm plinth
Are you using other CDs besides those?
shy laurel
Healer isnt expecting it and probably sucks
quiet monolith
I usually try to VR as I run out
warm plinth
Stacking IP?
vale escarp
Get a WL Stone
warm plinth
You can't take healthstones into a dungeon unless you get them from a warlock that's in the dungeon with you.
shy laurel
Rye wouldnt that cause the VR to heal you before u even get the debuff?
quiet monolith
I considered specc'ing dual shield wall
shy laurel
If you use it on your way out?
quiet monolith
The debuff is the kick
warm plinth
Yeah you shouldn't be using it on your way out. You need to use it immediately after jade serpent strike, not the kick
quiet monolith
That happens before the circle
vale escarp
You can't take healthstones into a dungeon unless you get them from a warlock th...
Thats why you should get a WL in the group
warm plinth
warm plinth
But yeah it's right before the kick, you're right
The kick happens immediately following the strike
quiet monolith
Right, so I start moving out so I can dodge flames and I strafe IV
shy laurel
Im just watching my healthbar and see the heal absorb apprear. Not even watching the boss, so i guess i never notice lolol
quiet monolith
Should spell reflect and spell block be enough to eat one ?
shy laurel
Your healer will have to use a CD on you likely, so like if hes not preparing for the absorb then your probably SoL
Focus on absorbing the damage AFTER the kick, not on mitigating the actual kick
quiet monolith
I'm gunna try not to sweat it and blame healer. I checked my death logs and stuff and it was a bunch of healing dots
I don't think it was getting across it needs to be raw healing
shy laurel
dots count, its just such little healing
warm plinth
Should spell reflect and spell block be enough to eat one ?
Spell Block only affects the initial hit, not the DoT, which is the more dangerous part
That being said, if you use spell block as the strike is going out, you can spell block the initial hit on both
And it's still not a bad idea to use it there
on two* not on both
quiet monolith
Right I've been using it right before it lands. I guess I need to stagger the cooldowns more
shy laurel
Healer should be pre-casting an actual HEAL on you, so it goes off after you take the kick. And a direct heal from a healer + your victory rush should pretty much handle it
quiet monolith
I've definitely done it before where I legit didn't even notice it
So I feel like it's one of those healer check kinda fights
Where they can make or break it
shy laurel
Yeah.... look, the group will throw your ass under the bus QUICK as tank. Its ok to point a finger at the healer if youre looking at logs and know youre right lol
tropic tangle
A lot of it is on the healer for sure. Your job is to make sure you're rotating mitigation / self heals to help them out.
shy laurel
If i pop shield wall / spell block and pot after a kick, and i die, yeah theres nothing more i can do there. I could pop every CD i have and id die in that case
shy laurel
hahah
tropic tangle
but you're gonna be dry on the next, or the one after
shy laurel
I love tanking. One interrupt is missed, or 1 mechanic is ignored, and I'm 1 shot and in the dirt.
Like freaking out looking at my logs, thinking "What did i fuck up!?" Watching detailed M+ vids helps but mainly just equipped me with the knowledge of DPS mechanics that are being missed. Essentially, it gave me the ability to forsee my impending doom
austere sleet
hey guys just starting to pick up warrior tanking, how much time do we actually spend in Defensive stance?
warm plinth
hey guys just starting to pick up warrior tanking, how much time do we actually ...
Not a lot
shy laurel
90% defensive stance (FoM warrs givin us a bad name!)
warm plinth
Think of it as another defensive and you'll be alright
austere sleet
I see, so expecting big damage swap to it then
warm plinth
yeah, generally tankbusters
austere sleet
other thna that,battle stance generally okay?
warm plinth
yeppers
austere sleet
thank you
cloud umbra
Like freaking out looking at my logs, thinking "What did i fuck up!?" Watching d...
whats a dps mechanic
shy laurel
Cant tell if real question or playing in to the joke......
warm plinth
everything is a healer mechanic*
shy laurel
warm flicker
does prot do enough damage for me to play it solo? i really want a spec with a shield but it doesnt seem like arms or fury uses them
shy laurel
Yes just make sure you pull huge groups of mobs to make up for the sllow kill time
shrewd grove
Prot Warrior in battle stance is as tanky as any other tank with similar ilvl. Oftentimes more tanky
Defensive stance is a cooldown, not your default
dire matrix
awh
lone eagle
other thna that,battle stance generally okay?
Yeah, although if you're starting a pull in higher keys its usually worth spending the first 1-2 GCDs in d-stance while you set up IP etc
esp if its a multi pack pull or you're going a bit ahead of your healer
nimble ridge
cast intervene on the fixate target right as Fenryr's Scent of Blood started,
they still got hit, any ideas maybe why?
proud dock
just picked up dwarf, how do u rotate stoneform? for exmaple in RLP 2nd boss and and crawth?
nimble ridge
(Shaman just after taking the hit - still has 3 secs left of interevene on him)
dire matrix
very smol range
daring marlin
My favorite is when you tell people
multiple times
hey don't run I'll intervene you
and zoooooooooom
toxic pewter
Sounds about right
nimble ridge
thats basically what happened, but I didnt know about the range thing or Id have made an effort to keep him close.
Didnt realise the range was -that- short
thanks
radiant pewter
is the skip in azure vaults the new in thing to do? necesary to time?
warm plinth
Yes, and no
slim dove
i much prefer doing the "skip"
mostly cuz the first pull is a litmus test for the entire group and saves me time wiping later.
fathom robin
Does anyone have build suggestions for each mythic plus and/or for each raid boss? I'm looking to build my specs out more and just wondering if someone has done most of the work already
Or if this is just a subcreation thing
mighty valley
the wowhead guide has an attempt at that sort of thing, can't vouch for it
don't go by subcreation haha
honestly i make very few changes other than tough as nails -> spell block for the spell block dungeons
marsh axle
and intervene for hov
fathom robin
Gotcha. Which dungeons do you dedicate to which talent change?
Based on spells reflect mobs I suppose, which is in the pins?
Spell block*
Solid, that's for simplifying things.
mighty valley
The main ones are TJS, RLP, AV depending on stun situation
proud dock
does stoneform remove the DoT in the last boss of SBG? if u touch the adds?
dire matrix
not a clue but that isnt a strategy LOL
warm plinth
Yeah was gonna say I've never wanted to find out
proud dock
wanting to know just in case
dire matrix
press it if u get the dot
proud dock
imma go test
dire matrix
youll find out
warm plinth
If you die, it didn't work
proud dock
hearty terrace
Hey emblishments there is no wrong one? Like if I went with Firefrost blet its not a HUGE loss? Compare to the other stuff
warm plinth
Hey emblishments there is no wrong one? Like if I went with Firefrost blet its n...
They are all the same approximate gain. The only one we don't recommend is the leggings.
hearty terrace
Ah fabulous thank you very much 🙂
round pendant
Is Dungeon Slice a decent way for me to compare my 8 different trinkets on raidbots? lmao
edgy bone
Thunderclap should be every other GCD during Avatar correct?
round pendant
ideally
edgy bone
ok ty
round pendant
Thunder Clap, Shield Slam, Thunder Clap, Revenge, Thunder Clap... etc
dire matrix
if its st not quite
fallow nova
St you still prioritize ss right?
dire matrix
yea
fallow nova
Good ol' prot warrior
round pendant
For real? I thought thunder clap hits more during avatar
like, more than shield slam
I always press those shield slam procs anyway asap
fallow nova
"Should I let my heart comtinue to beat while I breathe, or press SS?"
SS obvs
fallow nova
Those juicy ss crits are delicious
round pendant
no idea haven't really paid attention to it
I don't think I've ever seen my SS hit 200k
fallow nova
I usually only swap to tc prio in 5+, but I'm not sure how low that number would be during avatar
round pendant
I think I need a higher ilvl weapon
round pendant
I imagine thunder clap is better on 2+ targets with avatar guaranteed
dire matrix
saw like a 186k yday
fallow nova
Probs
dire matrix
421 wep helps
fallow nova
I'll get there one day lol
round pendant
Wowhead: "During Avatar, Thunder Clap deals more damage than Shield Slam against 2 or more targets, so it is your highest-priority skill from a damage perspective. "
So yeah, ST you still hit those SS procs first
dire matrix
on aoe we still use ss procs
fallow nova
Next expansion warrior should get a next-tier-down talent for avatar that makes it replacea ss with s charge for the duration
round pendant
Man I don't want to use storm-eater's boon anymore
fallow nova
Would be so crunchy
round pendant
but simming it is like "USE IT NO MATTER WHAT"
round pendant
Next expansion warrior should get a next-tier-down talent for avatar that makes ...
That'd be too fun
fallow nova
I mean, it'll never happen, but a guy can dream
Can you imagine being able to spam sc on every other pack?
Ludicrous
I've been gearing a prot pally on the side and while I love the utility, nothing hits home quite like the crunchiness of pwar
round pendant
if it scaled that shield charge down to SS damage it'd still be fun and fair I think
I miss my prot paladin but I hate holy power
I only played it in Legion
fallow nova
I don't mind holy power
round pendant
I want that shield toss silence on warrior
fallow nova
I've probably logged more time on paladin than war
fallow nova
Prot pally aoe is so fun
oak echo
kyrian prot pally was very fun. this slightly neutered version of that is not as fun lol
round pendant
i never got boon drop to use
I got a 395 one, it's nice on beeeg pulls but it's risky and I don't like being unable to move
oak echo
i miss being able to divine toll and slam out 3 sotr immediately
round pendant
Need a fuckin windscar
fallow nova
I was super casual when i came back in SL so I didn't do any tanking
Man, I've lost count of my cos runs on my Warrior and still no whetstones
round pendant
don't remind me
fallow nova
Tomorrow is my first vault on my paladin. Watch me get it.
I should probs open as prot though
I have zero good trinkets for it atm
round pendant
I have some decent trinkets but nothing amazing
395 boon, 408 all-totem, 402 decoration of flame, 405 Blazebinder's hoof, 402 rumbling ruby
I can't decide on what to use and where
fallow nova
Sitting on decoration and icon atm on my war so I'm feeling ok.
round pendant
According to sims, hoof + decoration is better on single target
m+ is like, all-totem + rumbling ruby
fallow nova
Hoof is pretty nice. I keep deco at all games in m+ but swap hoof/icon depending on the week
round pendant
but I like having on-use trinkets
dire matrix
i run that
fallow nova
Whetstone exists in a version of wow that I apparently do not play 🙃
slim dove
it took me 61 runs before my buddy got it and gave it to me
i still have yet to loot one myself.
fallow nova
I have a few upgrades I can farm out on my warrior
Gonna be open season on my paladin though
fallow nova
Every time I think about leveling my mage (who had outgeared my pally by the end of SL) I remember what applying for keys as dps feels like and immediately lose all desire
It's fun to get into a group now and then as fury, but having to follow pug tanks did WONDERS for boosting my own confidence in getting back into tanking
fallow nova
Aye
I hadn't tanked an m+ until this expansion and honestly, feel like I've been missing out on the gravy train
Last time I tanked was WoD when they first put mythic dungeons in the game
silver vessel
just realized i had talented rend, but TC applies rend, right?
silver vessel
do you need to talent it?
fallow nova
Yes
silver vessel
oh
fallow nova
Need the talent, but tc will apply it with the appropriate talent
silver vessel
ah damn
fallow nova
I think it mentions it in the tooltip for the tc upgrade talent
silver vessel
so i basically have to take either distrupting shout, or battering ram
yeah it does, just found the talent
fallow nova
I'm a fan of going all in on the shield charge talents
silver vessel
but if i need the interrupts, disrupting shout is hard to pass on
and losing a SS or TC dmg talent for battering ram seems kinda sussy
fallow nova
Yeah, I don't have d shout talented atm
silver vessel
i feel like i dont have enough confidence at my key level to leave it out
fallow nova
Like, it feels good to use but I don't think it gives me as much mileage throughout a dungeon as battering ram
silver vessel
its a nice oh shit button for when things get chaotic
fallow nova
I don't blame you.
silver vessel
for instance im about to do a +15 HOV with a warlock, hunter and DK
i dont relaly trust their interrupts will be on point
fallow nova
It's why I have blinding light on my paladin
silver vessel
fallow nova
Aoe interrupts are nice when you wonder if your pug members event bothered to take kicks of any kind
silver vessel
i can't help but wonder if my point in intim. shout should be somewhere else
i never use intim shout
toxic pewter
Wat why not
silver vessel
fear is 2 spooky
fallow nova
I like the heroic throw upgrade over intimidating shout
toxic pewter
Wat
fallow nova
But if you want an aoe interrupt, you have it in shout
toxic pewter
The fear is non important
silver vessel
i mean, it can pull more packs
toxic pewter
Damage from the group breaks the fear
silver vessel
ah id idn't know that
toxic pewter
It’s an aoe stop definitely should use as much as possible
Basically on cooldown to be honest
warm plinth
Intimidating shout instantly breaks. Otherwise we wouldn't use it.
fallow nova
Yeah it's like blinding light in paladin. Nothings actually going to wonder around dazed, but it interrupts whatever they were doing
silver vessel
well in that case, maybe i should use that instead of disruptive shout
and take battering ram lol
fallow nova
So grats, you have your aoe interrupt 😁
toxic pewter
Yah drop it and get battering ram
silver vessel
not everythign is affected by fear though, right?
fallow nova
Battering ram wins the day yet again
silver vessel
but still useful
warm plinth
not everythign is affected by fear though, right?
Pretty much everything this expansion is. I'm pretty sure even the undead mobs in SBG that are supposed to be immune are susceptible to it
fallow nova
The shout is very intimidating
silver vessel
word, thank you wise warriors
edgy bone
Does anyone have a good cheat code / rule of thumb for Vexamus on Al'Gethar when it comes to not overlapping the fissure with mana bombs? How do I look at timers and calculate when to let an orb thru
cloud umbra
there is a nice weakaura that calls out overlaps for you
you can orb the boss if it's out to push the arcane fissure first.. or itll tell you to pop cd
edgy bone
Do you have a link to the weakaura by chance?
dire matrix
cool
versed steeple
hey all kinda new to prot tanking, just tried doing a AV 18 and got clapped on first boss. Any advice as to what I might be doing wrong.
398 ilvl with 4 piece
versed steeple
ok outside of that anything else?
round pendant
"clapped" how? what exactly happened
sweet summit
Is that a request to make one or did I make one in the past and I also forgot ab...
the former
oak echo
ok outside of that anything else?
don't stand in any circles or swirlies
round pendant
try to blow up around 4 trees with the frontal
if you leave trees up, you die
ez boss
versed steeple
"clapped" how? what exactly happened
I was just taking a lot of damage from the boss even with ignore pain, shield block and shield wall
regal stump
"clapped" how? what exactly happened
I was in the group with Redson, i told him about this discord.
Basically he couldn't survive the boss too long,
Infused Strike was 42% of his dmg taken and boss melee was 41%
mighty valley
It doesn't sound like you reflected the infused strike
versed steeple
It doesn't sound like you reflected the infused strike
No I didn't. Tbh didn't realise that was a reflectance spell
mighty valley
Still shouldn't just like... fall over, unless your ilvl is extremely low
Describe how you see your rotation I guess? We don't have a lot to go on
round pendant
lemme guess he's using ITF and his shield block fell off
warm plinth
No log?
warm plinth
Do you have details buff uptime on the first boss?
versed steeple
lemme guess he's using ITF and his shield block fell off
Not using ITF. Went with a more defensive build.
versed steeple
Describe how you see your rotation I guess? We don't have a lot to go on
Usually charge in, active shield block as I'm charging in. Generate rage then ignore pain. Revenge on procs. Using IV as needed
warm plinth
That's not ideal.
Sounds like you're overusing Ignore Pain and not using Revenge enough.
regal stump
I have Buff uptime for Redson, which buff would you like to know?
warm plinth
Just post the whole list
queen canopy
I know its not an ideal trinket, but thoughts on Ruby Whelp SHell? Haste training or?
warm plinth
Haste or ST
regal stump
Just post the whole list
Oh nevermind, its for the Overall Data only since we didnt make it past 1st boss 😦
regal stump
regal stump
Can at least see if there's any glaring issues
Here
versed steeple
Sounds like you're overusing Ignore Pain and not using Revenge enough.
Should I be using revenge more?
bold olive
did you take a picture of your screen?
warm plinth
Yes, more Revenge = more SS resets = more rage
regal stump
did you take a picture of your screen?
Yeah i did 😅
warm plinth
IP is basically for dumping excess rage if Revenge isn't enough to prevent overcapping.
mighty valley
You should be filling every GCD -- CDs > SS > TC > Revenge
Press IP to avoid overcapping on top of all that since it's not on the GCD
warm plinth
You can spam some IP if you need to for a tankbuster, but other than that you should be more focused on Revenge.
mighty valley
Shield Block looks really low on this list
warm plinth
Yeah SB uptime is very likely too low
mighty valley
Shield Block uptime should be always
warm plinth
Hard to say with no log but it's 99% an issue
versed steeple
Right. Fe. See I thought revenge was more of an offensive ability
regal stump
Hard to say with no log but it's 99% an issue
Ill log next key we run, could i mention you if that's alright?
versed steeple
OK gotcha. Will try these things out. Thanks everyone
warm plinth
The entire spec is basically one big feedback loop. If you're not pressing things, you're not resetting SS which means you're not generating as much rage, which means you're pressing less things because you have less rage
Yeah you can ping me
mighty valley
And spending rage in any way at all does TONS of things for you
versed steeple
The entire spec is basically one big feedback loop. If you're not pressing thin...
Makes sense. Now that you mention it there are times I don't have rage.
warm plinth
Yeah more rage spent means lower CD on Avatar, more violent outbursts (which means more damage and more rage)
Also please make sure you aren't running Barbaric Training
Because I'll cry
mighty valley
Might as well share your build while you're here
warm plinth
Yeah that's not a bad idea either
mighty valley
Prot tree looks fine, I'd switch the double shield wall talent for Impenetrable Wall unless you have a strong reason to need back to back shield walls in mind
warm plinth
run this, and swap aegis for impenetrable in spec tree
merry phoenix
hey, Stop Using Barbaric Training, my friend
why not? I copied some top prot wars tree from mythic runs, it included this talent as well
round pendant
it's shit