CoS is the easiest dungeon cause tanks take 0 damage in it
#protection
timber forge
CoS is the easiest dungeon cause tanks take 0 damage in it
Always running CoS using dps spec and now learning the diff with tank spec
fresh dragon
hi guys. whats the bis gems for lariat?
spare loom
primary stat and haste probably
modest gulch
Yea I mean, all you can do really then is just think about optimizing at that point and try shit. 😆 creativity in pugs is not often a good fit tho
fresh dragon
primary stat and haste probably
so primaly and haste?
silver vessel
Cos is so easy, but its a huge knowledge check. Run it a bunch of times. I had that issue since I didnt play until this xpac, but its easy for me now.
spare loom
what should I use instead of thunderlord? @uneven mason
timber forge
Cos is so easy, but its a huge knowledge check. Run it a bunch of times. I had t...
thanks.. i'll read any guide wowhead icyveins about that knowledge check
spare loom
and the rest of them vers + haste
toxic gyro
Quazii wow is really good, he shows all neat tricks and stuff for m+. Note that some won’t work anymore, like los’ing Vexamus in AA.
latent steppe
@strong forum cant import the talent setup you pinned for "best imo" it says its from an old version mate
timber forge
Quazii wow is really good, he shows all neat tricks and stuff for m+. Note that ...
Ty!
toxic gyro
Np
modest gulch
hi guys. whats the bis gems for lariat?
Gotta think about what you want a burst of, because the type of gem... not its stats... determines what you get.
Fire Gems = Crit Strike Chance
Earth Gems = Mastery
Air Gems = Haste
Frost Gems = Versatility
A lot of people now are socketing Haste/Crit Fire Gems for the burst in crit (+parry) for several reasons.
Since haste is already your main secondary its easy to overcap and you get less bang for your buck. Crit seems to edge out Verse both in terms of damage mitigation and damage output.
timber forge
the most commom embellished items for prot is lariat+belt?
fallen pulsar
Lariat is the most generally useful, and belt is mainly single target but can proc bis rings
dire matrix
timber forge
have any way to remove embellisment? never looking for that
dire matrix
my useable trinket collection grows
fallen pulsar
have any way to remove embellisment? never looking for that
Buy item from griftah npc
dire matrix
belt is aoe 🤨
viscid plaza
have any way to remove embellisment? never looking for that
griftahs embellishing powder
fallen pulsar
belt is aoe 🤨
It is?
I literally never knew lol
Thought the frostfire dot was on a single target
And if it dies then it does the floor thing
fallen pulsar
Neat
fallen pulsar
Then ignore me in that front
dire matrix
just did 60k dps in rlp feels like thats cranking
but idk
cuz u never see other tanks play
😂
yeah its aoe it did dmg to infused whelp which i never targetted
fallen pulsar
Very neat
modest gulch
War Stomp?
viscid plaza
anyone using hoof
I love it. The Str stack can get some pretty dope damage and the aoe is a nice addition
viscid plaza
I'm running Blazebinder's/Granyth
fallen pulsar
I think it’s decent, there’s better options but it’s definitely solid
fallen pulsar
Yeah all totem and whet is pretty bis for m+
viscid plaza
Yeah there are more aggressive options for sure but it's a great on use trink if you dont have totem imo
fallen pulsar
Stormeater can do more damage but is more risky
fallen pulsar
Boon is funny 😅 useful as hell for certain fights since it hard roots you though lol
modest gulch
I see a lot of Dathea logs with it, does it cheese the knockback stacks?
fallen pulsar
Yes
You cannot be moved at all while in boon afaik
Just displacements like shadowstep work
But not pulls or knockbacks
Or other “moving” abilities
stray sonnet
Kinda new to prot warrior but does ignore pain stacks right? When you go into a big pack in m+, do you shield block and do 2x ignore pain to start it off?
dire matrix
pad = high log
dire matrix
yes it stacks
you should have a weak aura tracking it
so u can see your % bar
cuz it has acap
sick sentinel
How rough will it be to pug keys as a fresh lvl 70 prot warrior? (Obviously get a little gear at 70 first)
I'm almost 70 and have no friends or guild to play with yet.
ionic fern
It's rough to pug as a fresh anything.
stray sonnet
How rough will it be to pug keys as a fresh lvl 70 prot warrior? (Obviously get ...
I ranked a 9 yesterday at ilvl 340 with no issues at all. Had a bum healer too
Tanked*
ionic fern
Best thing to do is put together a m0 group, do it, get a key, and start doing your own key.
Tanking isn't the hard part.
stray sonnet
Prot warrior takes like no damage it feels like
ionic fern
The hard part is getting accepted to groups.
fallen pulsar
Prot warrior takes like no damage it feels like
It’s very good at mitigating damage, but the main thing is managing rage correctly
sick sentinel
Yeah, I figured I'd do my own keys.
I did 18-20s as healer during the first few weeks, but no experience as tank.
viscid plaza
Prot warrior takes like no damage it feels like
they do later on if you're not on your CDs, but yeah they're good at mitigating
stray sonnet
It helps I know the dungeons well so I wasn’t new with the routes and which packs hurt
fallen pulsar
Idk low keys really dont do much
glacial axle
Quick question. What's the best crafted trinket for M+ prot?
dire matrix
depends on the pack
fallen pulsar
I’d say once you hit +10s is when things might start to hurt if you’re not geared
viscid plaza
If you're having difficulty getting groups you can always look to the M+ Friends discord 🙂
I've just dropped my battletag in groups that perform well and made a few friends along the way
uneven mason
Quick question. What's the best crafted trinket for M+ prot?
There are crafted trinkets?
fallen pulsar
Also running your own keys will build you io much faster if you’re fresh and once you have some io it’s much easier to find groups
uneven mason
I’d say once you hit +10s is when things might start to hurt if you’re not geare...
+10 is when you have to press buttons
viscid plaza
There are crafted trinkets?
Yes. Decks, Alch Stones, and a couple of others I think
viscid plaza
JC Trinkets
oak echo
i don't think any of the trinkets are that great
unless you've got sparks to spare i guess
but definitely wouldn't make one with the first 5
glacial axle
Yeah got a few i dont need
viscid plaza
lmao dude
my girlfriend and I finished the 5th spark quest together, go do some dungeons and this girl gets THREE IN A ROW
I was like
oak echo
damn
viscid plaza
The man was too stunned to speak
oak echo
i got one from a key so far and it was like 2 days ago lol
haven't seen a single other one drop for anyone
viscid plaza
yeah i haven't seen one
but she got them from 3 m+ in a row and I was just like "HEY GIVE ME SOME OF YOUR LUCK PLS"
modest gulch
I got one, but didn't notice where I looted it from. 3 in a row is crazy tho
fluid smelt
Concerning trinkets, is there a best overall combo for M+ and raid?
I've got the heroic Whispering Icon, Decoration of Flame, Totem of the Master and a 418 Ruby Whelp shell. In M+ I've been running iconn and decoration because of the active shield which helps a ton, but I'm not sure if the totem performs better. I believe it has a 30 second internal CD or something but I'm not sure what's meta atm
viscid plaza
she did lament that she probably would never see any other loot ever XD
oak echo
all totem is as good as it gets for m+
sick sentinel
tropic tangle
icon and all totem is a solid combo
sick sentinel
could have 3 chest if i didnt play bad
viscid plaza
well grats anyway
fluid smelt
yeah totem reads like it would be amazing but I just don't notice that much damage from it
oak echo
in m+ especially you'll get the proc on CD in trash. obviously not as often on bosses
fluid smelt
yeah that's true
Hard to sub it in for the icon though, and I love the shield that decoration gives
For context I'm hovering at about 2200 IO rn, so it can feel a little dicey with survivability
oak echo
i think deco is overrated tbh. i feel like the shield gets deleted instantly by everything worth using it on
fluid smelt
yeah it melts super fast
viscid plaza
i did a 16 rlp on my 368 dk yday
fuck i bet it didn't feel good
tropic tangle
yeah totem reads like it would be amazing but I just don't notice that much dama...
totem has 4 different procs, so you gotta add all those together. it also has secondary benefits on proc
dire matrix
haste hot armor(str for us) and fire dmg
oak echo
we never see it drop and now we're not killing kurog anymore until raz is dead =/
dire matrix
totem + whetstone gaming
oak echo
and rolling prot for vault feels awful to try for it
dire matrix
i have it 408 rn
tropic tangle
just need a whetstone to drop 😦
crystal mauve
i can tell you that hurt
We did a 17 AA, I finished Crawth at 65k HPS (365ilvl on BDK) it was quite the experience lol
dire matrix
if i had mythic icon with a group with icon dps and heal id run it
yeah
i did aa also
was a fun time
we did it without a poison dispell
😂
oak echo
can you just ams the poison stacks?
fluid smelt
Whim I'm trying to google this whetstone you keep referencing, where's it from?
fluid smelt
ty
oak echo
have to be dps loot spec for it to drop
fluid smelt
ohhh
crystal mauve
can you just ams the poison stacks?
Possible but it gets depleted quickly
dire matrix
a 150k shield or w/e isnt touching it
deep spruce
then i cant open boon tho
I had mythic boon in my vault this week...... but I picked random 421 legs because fuck that trinket. I have it on my dh and will never ever use that shit ever again
dire matrix
it sounds good in some dungeons
like in NO it would pop off
since the swirlies cant kill us in there
oak echo
i use it in like nokhud and maybe halls but not a ton else
deep spruce
Aye I mean it's a bit different as tank I guess, but I'll stick with whetstone where I can blast and move around at same time. I die on a 2min cd on dh
dire matrix
id love mythic all -totem or 424 shield
deep spruce
I also had mythic all totem last week and didn't take
modest gulch
have to be dps loot spec for it to drop
Seriously!? Damn... this explains why I've never seen it drop. I can't believe I didn't know this... damnit
deep spruce
With 415 whetstone and 421 icon I'm kinda set for now
deep spruce
Aye, when they don't I use rumbling ruby which is meh, but it does 5%
dire matrix
hm
it simmed bad for me on st never looked on aoe
dont have one
whetstone was 6.5% that run
deep spruce
Whetstone generally 7.5%+ when I've looked
toxic gyro
Boon is great in some dungeons like no, aa, sbg
dense folio
im new at war
where i can get the talent tree for magic?
and is there any video to see when to cast spell reflection?
subtle sparrow
Is there a set rotation for the weekly quests? The "4 timewalking", "5 pet battle wins" etc
uneven mason
Yes
plush tendon
where i can get the talent tree for magic?
the base talent tree in the pins is generally good for all dungeons; you do switch Tough as Nails for Spellblock for RLP and Temple of Jade, and Thunderlords for Battering Ram (optional)
as for spell reflect, there may be a video somewhere you can watch, but there is a spreadsheet in the pins of what can be reflectable
just need to press reflect before the spell finishes its cast
undone verge
If it’s called spell reflect why does half the shit do no damage
lusty tiger
deflect
south zealot
on beta you could reflect dragon strike in av
was very op
like the tank hit on last boss of nokhud but you could do it for the entire bosses life instead of 60%
plush tendon
still kind of broken to just press Sprell refelct for most dragon strikes and take 0 damage from it
inner halo
Is Unstable Frostfire Belt the go to 2nd embellishment now? I feel like I haven't seen it a lot, then suddenly everyone had one. For mythic+ that is.
inner halo
if you dont have the rings is it still worth it even though the stats aren't ideal
plush tendon
its equal to other embellishments, but thats more of a player choice question
the vers bracers are also good
empty inlet
craft for ilevel
plush tendon
without raid rings
polar girder
Just got yelled at in a +15 because my tank dps was too low though I was 87%SB up time and 79% IP. I can’t win.
rancid iris
From what I have heard here, IP uptime is not a thing, press revenge
rancid iris
You IP just to stop the overcap
lofty widget
you get IP uptime passively from just playing well
jagged pier
we dont care about uptime of shield block only blocked hits
lofty widget
it's not a good metric
daring marlin
still kind of broken to just press Sprell refelct for most dragon strikes and ta...
100% that dot fucking trucks.
jagged pier
just how the class plays
polar girder
Last week people were telling me to track it and keep it up as much as possible@now it doesn’t matter
jagged pier
we never said IP doesnt matter
polar girder
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
jagged pier
we said u dont track it
it should be up
in m+ in aoe
its at capp alot
as u have enough rage just spam it
polar girder
So I’m confused then. Don’t press ignore pain just hit revenge? And I’ll get it up and bonus with my 4pc
polar girder
Ok
subtle sparrow
So I’m confused then. Don’t press ignore pain just hit revenge? And I’ll get it ...
Close to rage cap or already at cap → Use IP. If not, spam revenge to reset SS for more rage
polar girder
Kk
jagged pier
and by doing that is playing correctly so u will have a naturally high uptime on IP
so ergo its useless
over all uptime is also just bad because it gives no info
how big was shield
subtle sparrow
Spamming revenge gives you more rage because it resets SS
jagged pier
how much damage did it mitigate etc etc
balmy canyon
100% that dot fucking trucks.
I'm disappointed that the dot doesn't reflect back onto the dragon. Like it's called spell reflect not spell deflect or spell block
subtle sparrow
I disappointed I can't spell reflect the kicks in TJS
daring marlin
Always been that way. Deflecting it is better than tanking it like most other tanks need to.
balmy canyon
Spell reflect shouldn't be ams, it should be the send damage back at bad guy one. It just feels wrong when reflect goes off and nothing happens
daring marlin
It's not AMS cuz it's a shorter CD and has the benefit of potentially doing giga damage. :^)
plush tendon
I would love if Spell Refelct never deflected and always reflected back on the caster
uneven mason
I think there is a chunk of the player base that doesn't realize IP is off the gcd so it can be used simultaneously with revenge
plush tendon
but that would be a balancing nightmare
uneven mason
I would love if Spell Refelct never deflected and always reflected back on the c...
They'd put a hard damage cap on it in this case
hushed cobalt
say hello to solo'ing the elemental mini-bridge-boss in shrine
daring marlin
I think there is a chunk of the player base that doesn't realize IP is off the g...
Should just put it back on the GCD for a laugh.
plush tendon
^ BFA was the prime example of OP Spell Reflect
Still wished it worked on the last boss in Halls of Attonement
😦
urban portal
if SR always reflected then nothing would be reflectable in the first place
stable valve
Should just put it back on the GCD for a laugh.
uneven mason
Should just put it back on the GCD for a laugh.
Having played Mythic progression in 8.0 as prot, you can go blow a cactus.
Because no one was laughing except the bdk
daring marlin
Ghuun spell reflect was peak OP
uneven mason
It was
plush tendon
The intern came up with the IP on the GCD change
uneven mason
But IP on gcd was playing football with a brick
plush tendon
the same one who came up with the Queen Azshara encounter
daring marlin
Having played Mythic progression in 8.0 as prot, you can go blow a cactus.
Tell me you wouldn't be here with 
if they did that for a week.
uneven mason
You're not wrong
I'd also applaud the number of fotm Bois who would throw themselves off a cliff
I'd accept IP on gcd if it was legion IP
hushed cobalt
90% ip?
sick sentinel
if i can do one more 14 key on time i'd be happy
uneven mason
90% absorb, heals 4% if your hp per use...
sick sentinel
an IO one i mean
uneven mason
Yeah, legion, the era of "full hp or the boss just dropped a planet on your face and still only got single digits overkill"
hushed cobalt
4% hp, divided by 90%, carry the 0 
hushed cobalt
i liked getting victory rush from explosives 🐧
hushed cobalt
i can't remember how good that was, too far back for this goldfish brain
im sure some people here had arcanocrystal AND aman-thuls, statsapalooza
elfin ginkgo
Hey I am taking my firs steps into tanking and my biggest question is: How do i best get initial aggro from spread packs?
quartz briar
Does anybody know if Spell Block works on Kurog's Sundering Strike
Or is that covered by regular shield block?
sick sentinel
Does anybody know if Spell Block works on Kurog's Sundering Strike
📌 📌
quartz briar
My b
serene belfry
hey guys with what is the best way to train your whelpling trinket
plush tendon
hey guys with what is the best way to train your whelpling trinket
haste, crit, or ST
west kayak
I use my whelp shell as a str stat stick that does 6%-10% of my ST damage. Was thinking about trying AoE but not sold yet.
serene belfry
is the trinket better for ST or AOE fights?
uneven mason
The st nuke isn't anything to sneeze at
spare loom
is shield slam worth pressing on AoE pulls?
or do I just thunderclap revenge
or do I press it when it procs?
when it's shiny i mean
mighty valley
pulls need to be pretty big before dropping SS for damage outweighs the rage gains
when it's shiny just means it reset, it's not more powerful
spare loom
okay i see
also, how often do I need to stay in defensive stance?
I've seen vids of warriors only going in defensive stance for bosses
untold pond
depends on the boss and the pull
usually never unless the boss is going to smash you
lofty widget
you shouldnt have to be in d-stance at all until like 20-21-22
spare loom
awesome
lofty widget
and only as an extra defensive
it's not something you sit in for extended periods of time
merry phoenix
hey protterino bros, how do I not waste rage in the initial pull of a big fight where I pop all my cd?
untold pond
i started that way too then defaulted to always battle stance and barely notice a difference in survivability but do more damage
mighty valley
hey protterino bros, how do I not waste rage in the initial pull of a big fight ...
press Ignore Pain a lot
your threshold for pressing IP while doing your rotation + CDs should be basically nothing
merry phoenix
your threshold for pressing IP while doing your rotation + CDs should be basical...
i dont know what this means sorry my english is bad
mighty valley
also for the chat, treat defensive stance as another cooldown, one that lasts as long as you need and has no cooldown
merry phoenix
do u mean i should keep spamming it nonstop
mighty valley
do u mean i should keep spamming it nonstop
Basically yes - all the time you should be thinking "Am I going to waste rage? Press IP"
When you pop all your cooldowns, you need to press it a LOT to not hit cap
spare loom
also for the chat, treat defensive stance as another cooldown, one that lasts as...
i should keep this in mind
dusky canopy
I press to much IP when I could be revenging
merry phoenix
is there any shortcut to pop all big cooldown together
dusky canopy
Such a bad habit
marble zodiac
What should I drop if I want the buffed shockwave?
subtle sparrow
What should I drop if I want the buffed shockwave?
Your brain
dusky canopy
You don’t
shy laurel
Nothing worth buffed shockwave lol
empty inlet
shy laurel
if u need the AOE interrupt then grab intimidating shout? i imagine? instead of lower shockwave CD
dusky canopy
Run both
mighty valley
for m+ it's easy to have storm bolt, int shout, shockwave
dusky canopy
^ yep
marble zodiac
I figured since I almost press it on cd during m+ pugs
amber siren
if u need the AOE interrupt then grab intimidating shout? i imagine? instead of ...
Yes use int shout instead of rumbling earth
marble zodiac
But I see why I wouldn’t want it as a dpsbutton instead of CC
mighty valley
it's not better overall damage than any other button in that part of the tree
dusky canopy
But I see why I wouldn’t want it as a dpsbutton instead of CC
When you do challenging content cc matters so you need it to be available at key moments
plush tendon
really bad point placement to take reduce CD of Shockwave or the 350% dam
could go into something better
dusky canopy
In order to gain value from 350% shockwave you have to send it on cd
mighty valley
and even if you do, it's still worse damage than Thunderous Words
there's just no good place for the shockwave talent
dusky canopy
Yes exactly
subtle sparrow
Jesus, group died on Balar Khan because people can't cc
plush tendon
gotta be really explicit which add everyone is in charge of
shy laurel
Whats your guys' typical SB uptime?
empty inlet
Divine toll is better
spare loom
what should I choose instead of Thunderlord?
plush tendon
what should I choose instead of Thunderlord?
battering ram
dusky canopy
Whats your guys' typical SB uptime?
Actual blocked hits is what matters 90% +
subtle sparrow
We lost the timer so on the third attempt, we set up marks and set rogue and lock to have one cc target each. Blind and fear. When the adds spawn, the rogue just dpses, no cc and the lock uses his aoe death coil or wtf it was and moves the two adds we are killing out of the aoea
spare loom
battering ram
thank you
shy laurel
Also how important is hitting 30% haste (without buffs)?
quiet monolith
im having trouble with 18 tojs third boss. i read the pins, first one i spell block/spell reflect/IV
second one i shield wall
dusky canopy
Also how important is hitting 30% haste (without buffs)?
More haste more better
empty inlet
Spell block last 2
dusky canopy
@shy laurel perfect world you would have haste in all pieces
quiet monolith
what do you mean @empty inlet
shy laurel
Also don't forget about Demoralizing Shout damage mitigation
empty inlet
Spell block would last through 2 strikes if you use it at last second
amber siren
Also how important is hitting 30% haste (without buffs)?
It's not an important cap if that's what you're asking
dusky canopy
im having trouble with 18 tojs third boss. i read the pins, first one i spell bl...
Last stand/demo shout/ impending victory
quiet monolith
last stand after the shield goes out right
empty inlet
Yes
dusky canopy
Yes
strong forum
you could do SW + SR + IV > spell block + Demo > spell block + SR + IV > LS + health pot > SW + SR + IV + Demo
shy laurel
@amber siren Yeah so you're saying like sitting at 27% haste isnt the end of the world? Or are you saying, being at 30%+ is still good
plush tendon
health pot is giga chad on Jade boss
dusky canopy
No it isn’t the end of the world
But still shoot for as much as possible
Without lowering item level
empty inlet
Just have a Druid taunt and meld for you
plush tendon
stats dont matter; just get I level and then as much haste from your highest I level you can
empty inlet
dusky canopy
health pot is giga chad on Jade boss
Health pot + lock rock
empty inlet
If you have a night elf dh they can meta 1 and meld another
dusky canopy
amber siren
<@316455499858051074> Yeah so you're saying like sitting at 27% haste isnt the e...
Realistically there's no % you need to worry about
toxic gyro
Or have a good Druid. 1 nourish is 110-250k heal. Ez
shy laurel
Oh last boss on temple, you can kite too. I think?? Like Challenging Shout and leap tf out to give your healer a breath? Dono if thats dumb to do, but ive done it
toxic gyro
Oh last boss on temple, you can kite too. I think?? Like Challenging Shout and l...
Kite what
plush tendon
Oh last boss on temple, you can kite too. I think?? Like Challenging Shout and l...
thats silly
strong forum
Last boss?
shy laurel
@dusky canopy I feel like a god when All-totem procs haste, and lariat pops off same time
dusky canopy
Last pack is actually really easy for us if you run spell block
quiet monolith
maybe it was hard because i had disc priest healer too?
i dunno
i just wasn't feeling any heals
plush tendon
last pack is generally not too bad
dusky canopy
You open on the pack with spellblock
plush tendon
as long as you have a plan
dusky canopy
Wall dstance when spell block ends
And by the time that’s over pack should be dead
You can also stun the claws
plush tendon
and spell reflect them!
dusky canopy
Word
shy laurel
Brew you and me both know the pack will be well alive in a PUG by then.... llololo
quiet monolith
i generaly spellblock, wait till end of spellblock, aoe stun, spell reflect, shield wall
plush tendon
I would just watch a video of people doing that bank
toxic gyro
and spell reflect them!
Getting triple reflect on that pack feels satisfying
dusky canopy
Brew you and me both know the pack will be well alive in a PUG by then.... llolo...
So far I’ve successfully done that up to 20tjs
Pugging*
plush tendon
if you really scared of it; CC 1-2 mobs in the pack
shy laurel
Ive pugged up to 18 and honestly i dont even remember when that pack dies. Im just mashing defensives until it disappears
empty inlet
Feel like ccing doesn’t even do anything
dusky canopy
Just make sure that if you cc one you don’t throw out 5 axes with heroic throw talent
Don’t ask me how I know
empty inlet
1 cast you’re dead anyways
dusky canopy
plush tendon
yea, its better to play the whole pack, and just do it properly
toxic gyro
1 cast you’re dead anyways
You can outrange dark claws easily
plush tendon
use your buttons, DPS use their buttons, kite when needed etc.
dusky canopy
Do the whole pack and full send
safe girder
Is there a PIN on what mobs are great to be using Spell block on ?
dusky canopy
Yes
shy laurel
Can we take a moment in the chat for us tanks finishing M+ with 35 interrupts (only pummel), seconded by a rogue with 4 kicks
dusky canopy
I always say every time it’s sorta brought up
Plan the dungeon like you’re soloing it
When pugging
shy laurel
1,000%
empty inlet
Only pull things that you can stop yourself
shy laurel
I love saving the group, repeatedly, and they havent even got the slightest clue how close to group whipes theyre getting
empty inlet
This is why I pull 3 mobs in hov 
sick sentinel
shrewd grove
Gz
hybrid fossil
GZ
dusky canopy
Minor thing but what seems to work for me is also marking my target with a marker other than skull
And I kick that one
sick sentinel
gave me a spark too
dusky canopy
Ggz yogi!
shy laurel
Tyranical = DPS realizing they have no understanding of boss mechanics but still wanting to blame tank. This is my relax weak lolll
@dusky canopy I just run the plater addon that highlights important casts, and run a pummel mouseover macro
dusky canopy
Word same thing
plush tendon
Tyranical is when tanks get to eat ice cream in dungeons
empty inlet
That’s me every week at bonemaw
dusky canopy
I’m a Naowh-ui user it’s game changing having all the info that the ui offers
plush tendon
Which is why people prefer Fort.... cause more responsibility is on the tank
shy laurel
Naowh-ui??
plush tendon
That’s me every week at bonemaw
two of the bosses in SBG are actually just really bad design
the 2nd boss legitimately doesn't do anything
and the 3rd is just bad design imo
dusky canopy
Naowh-ui??
Yes he gives it to twitch subs I just throw my prime sub at him because I otherwise wouldn’t use it at all lol
plush tendon
otherwise, the first and last are pretty good dungeon bosses imo (though 4th boss circle things are kind of cucky)
empty inlet
First boss is terrible
shy laurel
@dusky canopy well wtf throw that shit in a dropbox lolll
plush tendon
First boss is terrible
it functions similar to the first boss in RLP
empty inlet
Rng dark strike stacks is cringe
plush tendon
but at least it does something
2nd boss is.... idk what it does
I would kind of like to see Bonemaw have more interaction with the other wormies he summons, or if he summoned more; and if you kill a wormie it does damage to bonemaw or something
shy laurel
SBG is a joke of a dungeon
plush tendon
otherwise, its just a bonemaw pops up, kill bonemaw, bonemaw pops down, find bonemaw, rinse and repeat
shy laurel
dont even have to kill the worm adds
plush tendon
SBG is a joke of a dungeon
its kind of a bad dungeon.... regardless of how easy it is
shy laurel
True boss in SBG - Spider aoe poison cast.
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> well wtf throw that shit in a dropbox lolll
Check out dudes stream if you want the ui, they actually put in a shit ton of effort to maintain it. Definitely worth it to me at least, otherwise plenty of free options out there lol
And yes SBG is super free key
Last boss wall though lmao
plush tendon
free key, bad dungeon.... but still great to get free score or a high key done with
analog sparrow
If you want the free route, I think quazii ui is very similar
dusky canopy
Yes quaziis is definitely right behind naowh and it’s free I’ve run both
plush tendon
Nom's stuff is weird to me
shy laurel
Bartender4 + Plater. All u need
dusky canopy
WAs
odd tree
Last boss wall though lmao
honestly the worst part of the dungeon, far to many deaths to the wall effect because someone moved .5s to fast to escape the frontal
the visual is just bad
sick sentinel
I'm honestly having a hard time getting / keeping aggro on big pulls. Just did an academy there and on some of the Wyrm pulls (where I didn't have aoe cds up anymore) and im spamming revenge but not keeping aggro. Is it just me being undergeared (397) vs my dps who were like 418??
vital oak
honestly the worst part of the dungeon, far to many deaths to the wall effect be...
Also can't use things like charge/felblade/the monk tiger fist thing or you get the debuff too often even if you're immediately backing off.
vital oak
I'm honestly having a hard time getting / keeping aggro on big pulls. Just did a...
TC with rend should help more than revenge. Maybe the mobs weren't in front of you? The Ilvl difference shouldn't matter that much.
tropic tangle
I'm honestly having a hard time getting / keeping aggro on big pulls. Just did a...
hard to say without logs, are your DPS ripping in immediately and the pack is splitting?
sick sentinel
I mean I'm also using thunderclap when it's up whilst spamming revenge ofc lol. I'll try get a video clip or something next time im doing a dungeon. Was kinda 1/3 of the way into the mobs hp
vital oak
Any that you can live through
jagged pier
how many bosses can i get away with m+ talents, but using ITF?
none because u dont run mythic plus build for them
lusty tiger
none because u dont run mythic plus build for them
do u change talents between bosses?
jagged pier
yes
lusty tiger
do u have a thingy
odd tree
i ran ITF this past weekend and did fine, no gaps in SB uptime
amber siren
ok cool
lusty tiger
like a spec for each boss chart
jagged pier
i ran ITF this past weekend and did fine, no gaps in SB uptime
logs
vital oak
like a spec for each boss chart
Terros is single target and Dathea may need AOE inturrupt depending on comp are the only real things to worry about imo.
dusky canopy
TC with rend should help more than revenge. Maybe the mobs weren't in front of y...
Ilvl can matter a little depending of course, demon hunters and enh shamans can rip off me in the first few globals of a pack and I’m 415 ilvl
I basically have to open with pre ravager in some scenarios otherwise shits everywhere lol
In most cases though threat is fine
vital oak
I think they still have BT picked, don't take that.
jagged pier
will i be fine following the wowhead suggestions?
no u can just go to logs and see what ppl are running
lusty tiger
oh tru
jagged pier
even tho most are running BT for some reason
lusty tiger
i have a semblance of a plan
mighty valley
just drop the obvious things that aren't good in low targets but also know the fights where they're good
lusty tiger
cruel strikes vs reverb
not council vs council
using the pinned raid build
lusty tiger
i will never bring shockwave to anything
mighty valley
including m+?
lusty tiger
ye my grp has enough stuns
mighty valley
i don't wanna rely on someone else's brain when i'm trying to line up spell reflects
but you do you
jagged pier
Pssst.. jakeyplops has great builds on warcraftlogs
dusky canopy
Yes
You generate enough rage to make the extra cost ok
Because 4 constant targets
lusty tiger
cool
jagged pier
BT for council?
yer that mega cheese build
lusty tiger
even has a HS pfp thats kinda cute
dusky canopy
Well correction 102k until I tunnled and got iceblocked in the last 20 seconds of the fight lmao
lusty tiger
do tanks have to dip in the lava too?
jagged pier
yes
dusky canopy
Yes
lusty tiger
i only did on lfr, and have a heroic tryout tomorrow
vital oak
I would try and pug it today then, any experience helps.
lusty tiger
im watching the guides
vital oak
I mean, that helps but there's nothing like actually being there.
lusty tiger
thats y i did lfr
vital oak
LFR and Heroic are vastly different
uneven mason
thats y i did lfr
That's like comparing a kindergarten footrace to a college triathlon
shy laurel
Really??? Cause to me, LFR felt equally difficult as heroic lol
Raid is EZ af for tanks
uneven mason
Really??? Cause to me, LFR felt equally difficult as heroic lol
Levels of coordination
Lfr feels challenging because only 1/6 the people actually participate, the rest shit their pants and eat graham crackers
vital oak
They can both be difficult ( haven't seen an LFR raz kill) but for different reasons, Just saying a pug heroic would be better than just watching a buncha vids.
shy laurel
@uneven mason It's the same thing in Heroic PUGs lolol
limpid pawn
the trading post transmogs - can you buy them on any char and have it work?
like the flail on a mage?
spare turret
Man is so hard to get CoS trinket, i have done 30 runs and 0 drops
vital oak
like the flail on a mage?
bought it on my DH and it worked.
uneven mason
<@123448908838862849> It's the same thing in Heroic PUGs lolol
Idk I saw they were talking about a heroic trial, as in an organized team
vital oak
Man is so hard to get CoS trinket, i have done 30 runs and 0 drops
I know, I'm jealous of my co-tank brewmaster, got a fat 421 whetstone in his vault.
drowsy scarab
is the crafted waist with dmg proc better than the crafted legs with haste proc?
shy laurel
Depends on your other items
jagged pier
yes
undone verge
what trinkets you guys prefer
My guess would be whetstone plus a trinket similar to eggnog trinket but not eggnog trinket, something with good passive stat and use stat, like blazebinders
tropic tangle
all totem and whetstone can't go wrong tbh
toxic gyro
what trinkets you guys prefer
All totem + whetstone, whetstone + boon
limpid pawn
all totem is better than say whispering icon?
jagged pier
yes
tropic tangle
all totem is a fantastic m+ trinket
timber forge
how does prot self sustain to help healers?
mighty valley
by playing normal? i don't understand the question
we mitigate the most damage, Indom gives us slow trickle of healing, IV for big chunks
timber forge
ty all things about tank in wow is new for me
jagged pier
literally by spending rage
impending virctory
but we arent designed
to do that
we are designed to just mitigate the damage
finite arch
when i play blood and thunder, do i even use the "rend" spell on st?
jagged pier
no
idle inlet
when i play blood and thunder, do i even use the "rend" spell on st?
When you are specced prot, you never use "rend" at all, you trigger it with thunder, always.
finite arch
Ty
forest tulip
i misread the tooltip for Bolster and I was like, wow, this grants shield wall for the entire 15 sec duration?! turns out I just can't read and now im disappointed
gusty sail
good afternoon, so a friend said he read a blue post that prot warriors were getting a nerf for 10.0.7, but i cant seem to find it anywhere. am i being trolled?
forest tulip
its a very small nerf tbh
uneven mason
good afternoon, so a friend said he read a blue post that prot warriors were get...
Yeah massive nerfs inc after the MDI, better level your bdk.
forest tulip
Protection
Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).
Developers’ note: Protection Warriors are currently dominating tank populations. While we do want all tanks to feel powerful, our data and overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack. We’re making some small talent adjustments that are overbudget to help address this.
that was the most recent patch
gusty sail
ok thank you very much
jagged pier
thats not
10.0.7
its already happened
no nerfs as far as i know
and they are buffing the other tanks so that would be dumb
gusty sail
Ah ok thank you!
timber forge
Yeah massive nerfs inc after the MDI, better level your bdk.
lool xD
jagged pier
we arent even top damage anymore btw
toxic pewter
who is top dam these days
jagged pier
druid
lusty tiger
ironfur spam?
jagged pier
among other things
cloud umbra
they werent even on the APM chart at the start
gusty horizon
is there anything prot warriors want to enchant on their shield?
cloud umbra
low.. did the rework that that?
gusty horizon
my new UI shows "missing" on my shield and i dont know why
urban portal
were the druid buffs that big
jagged pier
were the druid buffs that big
yes
urban portal
but i dont see druid having high apm tho
lusty tiger
^
lusty tiger
what buttons are juicing the apm tho?
jagged pier
u can go to the druid discord and ask
lusty tiger
i just may
urban portal
come back and let me know
uneven mason
They spam if like we spam IP but with more ferocity
shut wing
There are shield enchants?
uneven mason
Embellishments?
odd tree
120 apm?! shit
uneven mason
120 apm?! shit
Legit bind if to everything
cinder nova
Yeah reminder that APM =/= button-presses per minute.
lusty vapor
They do not want us in there
cinder nova
You can get artificially high APM with macros to ease spam.
lusty vapor
Man insta log checked me
cinder nova
🤔 Druid discord getting salty as warriors for some reason?
lusty tiger
Hahahaha
lusty vapor
It’s a tank thing
And then the phone picture of screen
Druid discord is exactly what I thought it would be
lusty tiger
It seems like we’re losing toxic emote access in here by the day
lusty vapor
Wait wtf, can i not use other emotes in here
lusty tiger
Ye
warm plinth
aaaand that's why
forest tulip
i wish shield reflect would reflect arcane cleave from Azureblade
that ability hits so hard
acoustic oak
You can leap away from like every other one
mighty valley
yall stopped the bears from talking about command and conquer
boomer ass shit
and that's coming from me
hybrid fossil
i wish shield reflect would reflect arcane cleave from Azureblade
you can just step back
hybrid fossil
or strafe left or right a few yards
mighty valley
pretty sure azureblade follows you?
hybrid fossil
nope
hybrid fossil
it doesnt you can outrange it by just a few steps
mighty valley
av 2nd boss?
mighty valley
yeah you're thinking arcing strike
hybrid fossil
aye
mighty valley
tbf they're all named basically the same shit
uneven mason
Ikar trying to convince them we were guardian fotm rollers
I'm just trying to prepare nexii for the flood of lemmings heading to bur
sweet summit
eyir rocks
gilded tendonBOT
thank u @sweet summit
sweet summit
warm plinth
eyir sucks
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @warm plinth
amber siren
Is there an easy way to check in logs what violent outburst is being consumed on?
warm plinth
yeah, go to damage done, click aura filter for violent outburst
amber siren
Oh right easy, thanks!
tepid raptor
yall use any specific macros?
warm plinth
stance dance, at cursor for ravager, focus kick, other than that, nope
mighty valley
"cast trinket slot" so i don't have to change whenever i get a new trinket
sometimes roll out avatar + trinket macro whenever there's a pure stat on use trinket
uneven mason
You should
mighty valley
personally don't use stance dance so i don't mix myself up if i ever fatfinger a stance
rough egret
My wildest bind is shift+T
mighty valley
shift T is heroic throw for me
mighty valley
T isn't far away from normal movement keys, ESDF
warm plinth
I use WASD and I still use T. I just don't have weird shit on it
mighty valley
normal T is Execute
rough egret
I use G and shiftG
warm plinth
Everyone knows F is the only button for execute ffs
mighty valley
well, F is Right, so
rough egret
F is revenge
rough egret
Stormbolt altR
warm plinth
alt keybind people are weird af
warm plinth
I could use alt, but why tf would I when there are so many better options 😂
dusky canopy
And mmo mouse uses F keys
warm plinth
I'm not really judging anyone btw. I'm just memeing
rough egret
Ez just move thumb to alt from space
warm plinth
Next you're gonna tell me you press c and v with your thumb
dusky canopy
Jump leaderboards
warm plinth
No
oak echo
i use alt for like rando stuff because it's easier as a 2nd mod for me than ctrl
warm plinth
It fucks you up regardless
uneven mason
Next you're gonna tell me you press c and v with your thumb
Whynot
warm plinth
God damnit guys
oak echo
that sounds wild
south marlin
What embellishment are y'all using on your crafted weapons? Food or fangs?
warm plinth
Is your index finger broken
dusky canopy
No it’s busy spamming damage buttons 3-4
mighty valley
I press C with my index or middle finger since it's right below D
uneven mason
It's pressing number keys
uneven mason
No it’s busy spamming damage buttons 3-4
This
warm plinth
Just move your fingers you weirdos
dusky canopy
Y’all wildin
rough egret
I have pots and HS on shiftX/C/V using middlefinger to press them 😄
dusky canopy
Middle finger
warm plinth
you press V with your middle finger?
dusky canopy
Thumb
uneven mason
if you have to move while pressing 3/4
Right mouse and f
warm plinth
Right but what are you pressing F with
timid siren
Wtf what shape are all your hands man
uneven mason
Middle
dusky canopy
F is index
dusky canopy
Wtf what shape are all your hands man
What? I play with my feet
warm plinth
How the fuck are you strafing with your middle finger and pressing 3/4 with your index finger at the same time
dusky canopy
How the fuck are you strafing with your middle finger and pressing 3/4 with your...
No no
nimble laurel
What embellishment are y'all using on your crafted weapons? Food or fangs?
Food or nothing
warm plinth
My food is on my ring
dusky canopy
Pointer finger strafe right middle finger/ring finger spam 1-4 in that scenario
warm plinth
Yeah I was referring to Ikarikaze
solemn current
Food is on my boots and shield. Gotta flex on em.
warm plinth
Because he said he uses his index to press 3/4 which is why he uses his thumb for c/v, but then he said he uses his middle finger to press F
Which is impossible
limpid pawn
what is the appeal of all-totem?
timid siren
He's got 7 fingers
pallid quiver
Which is impossible
Have you tried simply dislocating your fingers?
warm plinth
lol
pallid quiver
that being said, i could theoretically hit all three of those keys at once with those specific fingers
cursed tho
uneven mason
Wtf what shape are all your hands man
I have an 25cm fretspan
mighty valley
what is the appeal of all-totem?
idk read it? it's just a lot of no-effort buffs
lusty tiger
Nome just uses all his 43 keybinds on his keyboard hand
I think there are others who do the same
limpid pawn
i mean compared to other stat heavy trinkets
dusky canopy
Used to play with this guy who shifted his wasd one row to the right so he could keybind abilities to pinky
mighty valley
in m+ it's just a stronger overall benefit than other passive trinkets at same ilvl
dusky canopy
Idk how tf he did it
lusty tiger
We exchanged hand pics 
warm plinth
Idc how big your hands are, you still can't press F with your middle and 3/4 with your index at the same time
dusky canopy
Trying it right now I can do it
pallid quiver
It's not about the size of your hands; it's about the angle
dusky canopy
But it is not comfortable
lusty tiger
Depends on keyboard layout
timid siren
You can if you set your mind to it
pallid quiver
It is not a normal human way to press those buttons
No, middle on F, index on numbers
lusty tiger
Nice hand pic
mighty valley
that's sicko shit then
mighty valley
you can't afford my feet pics
dusky canopy
Lmfao
pallid quiver
smh won't let me upload my pic of hitting all three due to being "explicit content"
i'm too lewd for discord
lusty tiger
Well
modern brook
it was tryna proctect you bro
lusty tiger
If that wasn’t a keyboard…
mighty valley
how on earth would you end up in a situation where you need to mangle your hand like this
lusty tiger
2 in the pink 1 in the shield slam
pallid quiver
it's been on my to-do list for too long
it will continue to be on the to-do list because i'm off to work
soft flume
how are people finding mage tower for prot?
fluid shard
very easy
soft flume
were u using just normal gear?
fluid shard
yes
sweet summit
how u gunna upload that to the internet
where is ur prot mage tower video
fluid shard
spell block is good to have too
dusky canopy
how are people finding mage tower for prot?
Go in shield slam a few times and then you win
jagged pier
how are people finding mage tower for prot?
its piss easy
warm plinth
sir please clean your keyboard
cinder storm
Dirty nsfw pic
spare loom
what's the best onehand and shield from m+ ?
warm plinth
the highest ilevel one you can get
spare loom
really bad experience with this dungeon at low keys
lusty tiger
Trick is
spare loom
I know, it's just people in 10s don't know tactics
lusty tiger
Look at “best for” on raiderio addon
Do not invite unless they’ve timed a close level key
“Best for” being NO in this case
spare loom
yeah
lusty tiger
That is pretty huge usually
lusty tiger
So u should b fine
spare loom
so I need to craft the shield
lusty tiger
U don’t need to
mortal brook
D: pls clean the keyboard
lusty tiger
But it’s an easy option
spare loom
what's it called?
warm plinth
primal molten defender
lusty tiger
what's it called?
Primal molten defender iirc
warm plinth
meaning what
spare loom
meaning I can recraft it to a higher ilvl
lusty tiger
Lick it u won’t
spare loom
🤢
lusty tiger
It’s even worse if u full view the image
sick sentinel
bitter immunity that shit
edgy bone
@sick sentinel how often do you actually use bitter immunity
lusty tiger
Bitter immunity then soak w your tongue
edgy bone
Is there any way to give up shockwave and get spear instead?
sick sentinel
no
warm plinth
no
lusty tiger
Is there any way to give up shockwave and get spear instead?
Yes, u just don’t take spear
sick sentinel
and also, you think you want to do thta, but you dont
you think you do but you dont
uneven mason
We're kinda built that if we're actually in a situation where we lose a lot of health, shits already sideways
edgy bone
Why, we need 3 pts and only have 2 to give up?
urban portal
yes
edgy bone
Lame
uneven mason
Also spear kills DPS
urban portal
you have to drop shockwave, the thing above shockwave, and even thunderous words
uneven mason
Because that ground effect covers everything
lusty tiger
LOL
edgy bone
Better off just dropping shockwave and taking the -30s cooldown on thunder roar
lusty tiger
That’s what I like
sick sentinel
no, shockwave stays
uneven mason
Better off just dropping shockwave and taking the -30s cooldown on thunder roar
Desync roar with avatar what scuffed shit is ti
sick sentinel
i don't like giving up shockwave even basic one
edgy bone
More like crapwave
sick sentinel
multiple stun wave?
GG we didn't wipe cuz i just shockwave stunned 4 casts of deathbolt
uneven mason
More like crapwave
Use it to sync casts for big reflect fun
edgy bone
@uneven mason the only situation you can do this is final pack on TJS
sick sentinel
shock wave is, it would be good for us, if we didnt have to take bleeds talents
edgy bone
What trinkets do y'all use, incarnate icon and whetstone?
urban portal
Desync roar with avatar what scuffed shit is ti
It’s desynced anyways because of am
edgy bone
What do we think about icon VS blazing hoof
stuck sequoia
Desync roar with avatar what scuffed shit is ti
Eventually avatar and roar will be desynced because of anger management
sick sentinel
hoof better if fire ring
edgy bone
Idk what pepega even means
deft mortar
HOWDY
sick sentinel
Idk what pepega even means
soft flume
spell block is good to have too
did u guys bring consumables to mage tower?
sick sentinel
it means this
edgy bone
I see
uneven mason
Wat
edgy bone
Stupid frog thing
sick sentinel
i mean, its a peepo i think
daring marlin
Idk what pepega even means
sick sentinel
if u wanna get technical
edgy bone
@urban portal I want to do 70k overall as tank every dungeon