protection

[ruby viper]

Last session I reached 2800 with my monk, as a tank i am a noob :___D

[ruby viper]

Tank Gameplay is relaxed but you should really know what you have to do

Or i am wrong?

[sick sentinel]

i've done these so far, just finished TJS

[warm plinth]

Relaxed in what sense? Prot war and prot pally are both very very fast paced

So that can really mess with people

[urban portal]

essentially yeah, but there are some inhuman stuff that hekili can do that humans cant

like on DK with soul reaper

[warm plinth]

Oh

Yeah

[urban portal]

a lot of it is just not being able to adapt to the situation

[warm plinth]

I never could wrap my brain around that talent enough to make it perform well in SL lol

[urban portal]

a lot of it is having blind faith into hekili

if it tells you to cast soul reaper at 40%

you do it

and somehow it always gets it right

[warm plinth]

Oh right because you want it to end at sub-35% or something right

[urban portal]

yea

and obviously thats not possible without hekili

unless you are VERY familar with the fight

or the mob

[sick sentinel]

gunna attempt a rlp and maybe COS, and then work on 14/15's

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was basically just guessing with it trying to min/max when I played UH in SL

[ruby viper]

Maybe you can give a answer of the question, in which situations i can trust hekili and when not?

[urban portal]

with respect to tanking or dpsing

with tanking never

[warm plinth]

And got it wrong a lot

[urban portal]

with dpsing its ok

[craggy pilot]

anyone know an addon that can track my keys (completed and incompleted) 🤔

[warm plinth]

There's a WA that I think still works

I can't remember the name ofi t atm though

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/ZvKaJqCR2 This one

I think it only tracks for that week though; I don't know of one that tracks all time

[craggy pilot]

how does it count the red ones?

is it only if you complete a key over time?

[warm plinth]

The red ones are out of time, yeah

As long as you complete it

[craggy pilot]

what if someone leaves a key after 30 minutes, but you dont complete 🤔

[warm plinth]

If you don't complete, it doesn't track

[craggy pilot]

ah

kinda wanna track that as well

[warm plinth]

Oh, sorry 😦 I don't know of anything that does that

[craggy pilot]

or just track something like "times started"

feel like i did 10 depleted keys the last 2 days

across different characters

[warm plinth]

Could just do what that one guy does and keep a spreadsheet 😂

[craggy pilot]

ye was thinking this as well

just wanted an auto spreadsheet 🤣

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm not sure how you could even do that. Unless maybe the game tracks the key activation event?

[craggy pilot]

pretty sure it does that, but then you wouldnt know if it went intime or overtime or someone left

unless you zone out

🤔

but ye idk

might just make a spreadsheet

[warm plinth]

Sorry I couldn't be more help

[craggy pilot]

just slowly losing the fun aspect of keys

tried a +17 Nokhud for fun on Arms just to change it up

heal couldnt survive 2nd boss, and everyone left

[warm plinth]

sadge

I tried to pug a couple 14s earlier for dungeons I had super low runs on for tyrannical, and it was a nightmare

[craggy pilot]

ye

every lvl seems to be a nightmare this week

idk why

i usually have it way easier on Tyran on my PWar

[sick sentinel]

how much dps does a bdk do in a 15 to 20 key 400-410 ilvl

[warm plinth]

Like I do 18s/19s and had this wonderful 14 pug earlier

[slim dove]

azureblade tyr is hilarious

pugged a 21 and shit took 6 minutes

[warm plinth]

yeah that boss is garbage

First boss didn't go well either because the healer couldn't keep anyone up

Ended up being him and the bdk doing the rest of the boss

from like 30% or something

[tacit solstice]

Yeah dps can do 2nd boss azure 😦

Cant*

[slim dove]

Still better then pugging tjs this week lmao

quaking + mari beam just short circuits peoples heads

[sick sentinel]

how much dps are you guys doing in a 16 key

[slim dove]

40-60k is my typical overall in 20-22s.

[sick sentinel]

details for me says 30-35k, and then 25k on logs

[warm plinth]

Logs will always show lower because it's factoring in the downtime in the log

Details stops recording when the group leaves combat

[slim dove]

dps this week kinda lower cuz spiteful cringe.

[sick sentinel]

just tell them to pad out meters

ghost dies 5 seconds earlier, they get more meter ego

should be higher dps

[dusty bear]

I soloed Leymor 17+ from 65hp, healer dropped dead first

[deft mortar]

65 hp

As if u fell to 65 hp?

as in*

[dusty bear]

65% boss

[deft mortar]

OOH

thought it was a comebak story 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah the healer oculdn't keep anyone alive until it was just him and the tank and they ended up 2-manning it from 35%. And then on 2nd boss it was just me and the BDK for two full intermissions. Finally ran out of heals/defensives on the third intermission and died. I alt-F4ed when the tank had like 1 mil left on the boss (we were already over time by then)

And that was after 2 wipes on the boss

[dusty bear]

It was even 70 i think but i left cuz i needed it time and i have short time to play

Lol

[warm plinth]

I'm normally fine with it not timed but it wasn't even going to give me score, which is why I was even bothering to pug it

[sick sentinel]

Does our 4piece actively give us the Ignore Pain buff or is it just like the talent that adds to our active ignore pain?

[deft mortar]

Yes it does

It literally creates a new buff

@sick sentinel

Its so fkn broken

[sick sentinel]

Damn, me want 4set

[deft mortar]

I literally dont press ignore pain because of it

AND ADN

It basically gives u perfect utilization of BV

cuz u dont have to worry about having an active IP

I love it man

[sick sentinel]

Whats BV

[restive cliff]

yo did they nerf our normie dungeon satchels?

[deft mortar]

dis talent

[warm plinth]

You don't press Ignore Pain? How do you prevent overcapping them 🤔

[deft mortar]

only to overcap basically

prevent*

[sick sentinel]

no idea wtf, but group got deleted to first boss of HOV

[warm plinth]

[deft mortar]

Or when I am getting overwhelmed (usually vs bosses like RLP 1st boss Tyra)

yogi at that point just solo

[sick sentinel]

is it im supposed to be moving first boss HOV or not

i was under assumption to only move out of yellow swirls

[warm plinth]

You have to move so the lightning doesn't hit you 👀

[sick sentinel]

yes move the boss

not so much my self

[cinder nova]

I barely move Heim

[dusty bear]

Move it lol cuz all dps follow u =))

[sick sentinel]

i mean really though

[cinder nova]

I'd rather not group with DPS that need that level of handholding.

[sick sentinel]

i don't stand in the yellows

[dusty bear]

It happened me on dps 21 HoV tank stayed in blue thing and boom 3 dead directly

[sick sentinel]

why the hell would they? and its just look at the screen and listen for him to call dragons voice line

you see the dragon come up to the window

[dusty bear]

They follow tank blind

And it was hov 21

[cinder nova]

There's shitters in every key. Correcting your play at the blind fault of others feels yikes

[sick sentinel]

this is a week or so old yogi paint

[cinder nova]

That's a good spot for him, yogi

If DPS are dying they're actual smoothbrains

[dusty bear]

So only keyholder and me stayed alive and he said some really heavy words :)))

[sick sentinel]

the mage didn't lust on the first wipe, and then when run back i said we didn't lust, and he said "oh sorry my bad"

[dusty bear]

I was basically laughing and cryiny

Cuz i m hunter and barely get invited to 21

[sick sentinel]

its because, hunters with ranged weapon, and pets that are pepega AF ai, they ass pull alot

and they've always had bad rap

[dusty bear]

I m MM..

[sick sentinel]

its like ret pally

people will never drop the meme/stigma

[dusty bear]

Thats not issue

Issue it s that blizzard random decide to destroy us

5% buff will come next week, we ll see

[sick sentinel]

well, right, we take 7% more dps through blocked hits now right

which means we take like 3% more dps over all right......

well.... pugs they don't see it that way, we got nerfed from 30% to 25% we got nerfed 5% according to pugs

[dusty bear]

Depends what key range u do

[sick sentinel]

trying to get 15's and 14's so i can sign up for 16's to get concentrated's

[dusty bear]

At that range the key can be done by every tank spec, guardian druid

Pugs that consider nerfs etc in this range when inviting tanks are basically clowns

[tacit solstice]

Just push your own key so you can choose who to invite

[cinder storm]

Try to heal a hunter

You'll soon realize why they don't get invites

[round pendant]

I really don't understand

[sick sentinel]

me too

[round pendant]

Maybe it's only past like 16 keys, but, people saying tyrannical is worse than fortified makes no sense to me

[sick sentinel]

also it involves me being a healer, which ain't hapennin

[round pendant]

Tyrannical is so chill

[tacit solstice]

Are you doing 22+ keys? Very not chill for healersn

[round pendant]

naw I've not done anything above a 16 yet

[deft mortar]

Tyrannical is chill until the skeletons in Nerzhul phase have 3.4M health brother

[round pendant]

taking forever to build my rio because I'm helping my friends build theirs too

[warm plinth]

Tyrannical is worse because bosses can turn into actual walls. You're never going to not be able to kill a trash pack, but you absolutely can run into a point where you can't kill a boss.

[tacit solstice]

Well said

[round pendant]

Yeah that's a fair point

And sure, you can clear a fortified dungeon pretty much guaranteed, but timing it seems way harder on fortified

in my experience

Like, if your group can kill the boss in tyrannical, it's free. But if your group can't kill the bajillion trash packs in a decent amount of time then you just don't time it

I guess it's a dps issue at that point

[sick sentinel]

"You're never going to not be able to kill a trash pack"
"you would think that, but you would be wrong" CV11

[sinful plover]

Tyrannical can be nice for lower keys because players generally know boss mechanics better, where as fort requires specific trash knowledge which low players might not know.

[sinful plover]

I agree with that too, sometimes in fort keys your dps just can't move through the trash fast enough

[cinder storm]

It's mainly because bosses take too long, have unavoidable damage, some require heavy movement which doesn't favor every healer, at some point you need people using personals and health pots and there's quaking this week to boot

[sinful plover]

I'm talking <15 though

[sick sentinel]

i could EASILY see the final boss TJS trash being a wall on some gross fort affix

22+ key

[cinder storm]

It is a wall, kinda

[round pendant]

It's a pretty rough pack even on lower keys imo lmao

[sick sentinel]

explosive, lets give it explosive, and sanguine

[cloud umbra]

if you have to you can cc mobs on that pull .. the shambler has so much hp that it all dies at the same time anyways

[cinder storm]

I've seen many 22+s deplete in that one pack

[warm plinth]

Yes but that isn't the point. It might prevent you from timing the key, but trash is never going to be like oh shit I just can't kill this trash pack.

[sinful plover]

Definitely, already had groups struggle with it in my <10s.

[warm plinth]

You can always zerg it, CC something, etc. Whereas a boss will legit just not be killable by your group

[round pendant]

Yeah I guess so

Don't really like not timing keys though, that alone is prob why I prefer tyrannical

[sick sentinel]

"the shambler" all i can think about

[cloud umbra]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

quake was good game, still is, they making it RTX

[distant crystal]

yogi is a boomer after my own heart

i got quake for christmas a few decades ago

[sick sentinel]

i made a clay scuplture of that thing in art class

or i dunno clay or wtf, but i made it went in oven

[distant crystal]

i made an ashtray for my dad lol

[round pendant]

Really enjoyed keys this week, people complaining about quaking confuse me

Last week was actually miserable for me

[sick sentinel]

i lost him 😦 he was cool

[round pendant]

Quaking + Malevolence + Bone wall overlap is BRUTAL though

I haven't died to it since I just leap the fuck away, but everyone else freaks the hell out and dies

[sick sentinel]

not picking an add in center on bonewall so melee doesnt have to travel to jupiter and attack it, and the area to get through also harder now....... THX

[round pendant]

I wish the puggers I found could bait the bonewall correctly

It's super easy

[sick sentinel]

its like only reason you dont pick dead center is if 2 evenly spaced pillar lasers in center

[round pendant]

but they always just put it perfectly in line with the bone wall

I don't think anyone actually knows how to tell which way the wall comes in from

I should prob start placing markers

[sick sentinel]

my problemis i charge it then i w into walland die

[round pendant]

you can charge into the wall without pressing w

if it's at an angle

best thing to do is just, don't charge

[sick sentinel]

so 8nstead i sit 9n boss and cleave

then again sbg omegalul

want to do a 15 sbg and 1 different +io 14 key

[deft mortar]

I always pick center right

If center right is obstructed center left

I thought ppl automatically do that

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it just gets dicey if people bait the omens to the wrong spot. The bones always come from the north end or the south end. So you want to bait them all to the east or all to the west so that there's always an open side

[round pendant]

9/10 times the ranged guys just drop it in the middle

[tender quartz]

Tell me your 18 Academy was out of tiem without telling me your 18 Academy was out of time

https://i.imgur.com/ClRQ6TY.png

🤭

[cloud umbra]

so toxic how much the raging tempest claps without having a dispel in your grp

damn was that a carry run

[tender quartz]

It was a guildierun

Let's leave it at taht :D

[cloud umbra]

haha

[tender quartz]

Nah just one wipe at Crawth ( 2nd one hit us triple? ) never seen that

2nd roar after pull

So... possibly more bugs to report I guess.

I had that last week happening with Double Tankbusters on Raszageth btw, can anyone confirm?

[round pendant]

I'm considering doing like +6 CoS keys because I can basically solo them and they should be faster

I want that fuckin whetstone

idc if I have to spend an extra 1.2k valor on upgrading it

[slim dove]

The screech? It pulses the aoe around each player.

[reef holly]

Nobody wants to join my 18 Nokhud…

[round pendant]

I don't blame em

that final boss SUCKS

[reef holly]

Yeah I’ve failed two 16s already

[deft mortar]

that final boss is ez asf wym

Just tank him at the rock

CC the right side

DH sap rogue blind ez pz

[modest gulch]

Got another concentrated primal farmed up... any suggestions what I should build? https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Reidi

[slim dove]

weapon.

[modest gulch]

I do have a strike twice, its just 398 that I plan on using after valor uncaps

Thinking about these for M+ but not very useful in raid

[slim dove]

thats an absolute cringe worthy amount of farming for a 415 weapon

when you could just craft a 418 rn.

[storm merlin]

Also not super useful for m+.
You have like 40% uptime with 3 stacks average over a key.
Nome calls it bait in a pin

It's up for like 10 seconds per pull

[reef holly]

Ok elemental boss just kicked my ass in an 18

Wind burst hit me for 145k

[slim dove]

why is wind burst hitting you.

[warm plinth]

Why are you out of melee range when you don't have SR

[reef holly]

I’ve always spread during the circle

[warm plinth]

Spread, sure. Don't go out of melee though

[slim dove]

you dont leave melee range unless its to provoke a free SR

[reef holly]

Uh oh have I been doing it wrong

[tall flare]

yo guys whats best to craft after Lariat , Unstable Frostfire Belt or Allied Wrists of Companionship ? i play mostly M+

[slim dove]

if some dumbass mdps is gonna cleave you, pop a defensive and let him die.

[warm plinth]

If wind burst is hitting you then yes you're doing it wrong

[reef holly]

Ugh

[warm plinth]

What's your weapon/shield situation

[mighty valley]

basically the same, might get a ring one day so belt has upside

[tall flare]

402 ilvl for both and am happy with

[warm plinth]

You should make a shield or a weapon then.

Embellishments are nothing compared to either slot

[reef holly]

Thanks team

[tall flare]

just assume i have max rank slots

[warm plinth]

Embellishment does not matter. They all give around the same amount of damage, with the exception of having the damage proc raid ring, in which case you want belt to proc it

[tall flare]

ty all

will go with belt

[reef holly]

[warm plinth]

You can get free reflects by stepping out of melee, hitting SR, and charging back in

Which you should do since it does damaeg to the boss

damage*

[mighty valley]

also open with SR since it'll see you before you're in range

[reef holly]

Yeah I always hit shield reflect when the circles come out- except now i will stay close to boss

It’s just crazy I’ve been doing this in 16’s and I’ve never been one shot

The run was going so well too…

[quiet monolith]

Wind shear is big dam

Or whatever it's called

From storm boss

Same principle as dathea

Save Sr for the out of melee spells

[round pendant]

Love how SMG has literally 4 items and CoS has 12

so even if I get a drop it's super unlikely I even get what I want

[bold olive]

Does anyone use puzzle box and actually enjoy it?

I hate having to figure out when it's safe.

[odd nimbus]

how about making alchemy stone for haste and equipping it with the blazehoof? is that sooo bad?

[round pendant]

it's not even that good

[bold olive]

It sims so much better than what I currently have access to, and I have a 405. 😦

[wintry anvil]

Hyrja hitting for 130k during eye of the storm on a 20? any idea how to survive?

[warm plinth]

If it makes you feel any better, my main only has 2 items from SBG but 18 from Halls 😂

[stone python]

Hyrja hitting for 130k during eye of the storm on a 20? any idea how to survive?

[wintry anvil]

^what he said

[odd nimbus]

🙄

[warm plinth]

Are you swapping the ults at the start? @stone python @wintry anvil

[naive panther]

@warm plinth I swear on non war alts I never get hit by that on opener. But pop reflect on war every time.

[warm plinth]

I've never been hit by it on the pull either 🤷

I do trigger it on purpose though once I have aggro established

[slim dove]

i pull with taunt, reflect insta to get the wind burst, then charge

[warm plinth]

That's not a terrible idea either

Gets SR on CD faster

[slim dove]

yup. ideally you want to use sr off cd to catch as many wind bursts as possible.

in a 20 iirc it was reflecting for 360k.

[naive panther]

Even if I charge on war I have to reflect.

[warm plinth]

Weird

[lone eagle]

It's because charge enforces combat the moment you press it

[brisk flax]

No hundreds yet but I'm also not running the straight crit build so no complaints

[undone verge]

what diff?

[brisk flax]

Idk I saw a lot of people on top with 100s crit haste and like no vers

It charges in like 20 mins. Turbo charges

[undone verge]

what difficulty are those pinks on?

[undone verge]

yeah crits big for dmg this patch, I think its better than haste based off of how little haste a lot of the top parses are

[restive plaza]

how do I handle jade slaps in temple

[daring marlin]

I have almost 15% speed from tertiary. SPEEDY

[reef holly]

You must pray to the jade god

[warm plinth]

Rotate defensives, use impending/last stand/health pots/healthstone right after the initial hit to help get rid of the absorb.

[daring marlin]

normal

[cerulean tusk]

2xIP, wall, reflect, dstance, shout 1st. Second 2xIP, wall, reflect, avatar. Third LS, IP, rally, VR, shout, pray. 4th is all you got left with cheat death. If it ain't done by then, ya don't have the DPS.

[mighty valley]

you can bring spell block

and your healer has to know to help get the healing debuff off you

[daring marlin]

spellblock fills the gap of two slaps TBH

shit's good

[cerulean tusk]

That boss slaps so hard ya wouldn't believe on, I went on my BDK just to farm it in revenge. Tho, I will bring spellblock next time to get 1 more set if needed

No u

[vivid lantern]

I’m 409 geared but still using the cobolt absorb ring. I just haven’t had a better ring drop. I was thinking of just crafting one. I’ve been running CoS to get that ring. Is the absorb ring any good. It does do like 10-12% of my healing.

[mighty valley]

Use the dps ring instead tbh, unpredictable absorbs are pretty whatever

[vivid lantern]

Ok cool thanks. I assume getting any haste vers or haste crit ring will be big. Like 2x the stats. Even at 405il. Just gotta keep farming.

[odd nimbus]

can someone please answer this? im struggling to find enough haste

[turbid shuttle]

optimizing for secondary stats is irrelevant

[warm plinth]

There's a reason we don't go for what you're trying to accomplish, because it's hard to get that much haste.

And you shouldn't sacrifice a better trinket for a shittier one just to get more haste

[cerulean tusk]

Grieftorch and whetstone is a better option. No clue why ya want the haste

[warm plinth]

He's trying to get enough haste to be able to use ItF in keys

[slim dove]

absorb ring is garb

dont use it.

[lavish oracle]

You can use ITF in keys where you don't need spell block, probably

[sick sentinel]

Is Icy Veins talent guide good to go by?

[warm plinth]

Just use the build in the pins

Can sub something else for Titanic Throw if you want

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkRRARpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA

This one from pins?

Aight! Thanks

[lavish oracle]

Which keys are non-spell block keys anyhow? CoS for sure

And then like

AA and SbG maybe?

[warm plinth]

Why would ItF have any bearing on whether you use Spell Block or not

Or vice versa

[lavish oracle]

Because you can drop spell block for bolster

Irrelevant to my question

[warm plinth]

Why would I drop damage just to be able to run ItF though

[lavish oracle]

I'm not saying you should

I said you could

[rough egret]

AV 2nd boss.. why pugs cant understand the rule dont stand infront of boss :)))

[lavish oracle]

Itf/bolster is the highest simming talent option on dungeon slice given the constraints, btw

[rough egret]

I mean.. I had AV20 😄 now its AV16

[warm plinth]

Dungeon Slice is useless for us.

We don't have an APL for it

[south zealot]

accidentally ran sudden death in a 20 nokhud

[lavish oracle]

Highest simming on 5 minute 3 target cleave too

[south zealot]

still 2 chested

[errant lark]

i sometimes get issues with threat when it comes to things like, tree boss in AA when the saplings spawn after challenging shout is down, or first boss in Azure, when the slimes spawn, or in jade that one sha that spawns the lots of little sha's, any tips around this?

[south zealot]

if you absolutely have to, an outburst thunderclap will immediately pull all agro

[lavish oracle]

Again not necessarily saying you should use those talents but I encourage people to test them if they think they might be better

[south zealot]

other than that just a revenge and thunderclap should be fine

[lavish oracle]

(And can justify losing spell block for it)

[south zealot]

i ran into the fray and bolster in the 20 nokhud i also ran sudden death, itf its pretty fun actually

[lavish oracle]

Yeah, seems fine

Our talents are flexible

We have been blessed with a very strong talent tree

[rough egret]

Is apl designed to use bolster as dps cd? Like to maintain SB uptime?

[lavish oracle]

I mean, you would want to use it to maintain SB uptime anyways, right?

[rough egret]

Yes, but thats doable without bolster so I want to understand why is bolster dps increase

[ionic fern]

Unnerving Focus.

It's only using it with that talented.

And unnerving increases your rage generation.

[warm plinth]

With ItF, you need a certain amount of pre-ItF haste to be able to still have max uptime on shield block; that's why you take Bolster with it if you don't have enough haste.

[lavish oracle]

In this case, I think ITF is the source of the damage increase, sim puts bolster on its own as like a sub .1% damage increase for me

[cloud umbra]

I have 5200 haste ~ 30.42 pre itf and feels like I am very very close to full uptime.. but still notice small lapses

[dapper vapor]

Don't know that my joints will thank me if we start playing with a like 50% haste ITF build down the line

Gonna be like playing Guitar Hero on the keyboard to not miss a GCD

[lavish oracle]

Lol, that's the way I like it

As many buttons as possible

[warm plinth]

[lavish oracle]

Typically if I know a bunch off adds that I have grab threat on are coming out, I hold ravager, roar, avatar, or challenging shout

We have a lot of options for snap AoE threat, if delaying a cast by 15s means a DPS doesn't accidentally rip threat and kill themselves then it's always worth it

(Plus it looks great on the meters 😛 )

[strong forum]

Wow starts getting real fun around 150% haste

[shell mortar]

The glory days of season 4 SL

[strong forum]

I took a screenshot of my old vids recently of the stat procs I was tracking

Had like 4 haste procs line up

I'd go from 40% haste to 110% haste with just procs

[shell mortar]

[strong forum]

Good times

[strong forum]

That's him spamming a macro to get bleed dispelled?

[shell mortar]

Crawth is a fun and a greatly designed viss

[cloud umbra]

although i wouldnt forget to cauterize there.. i never read chat while fighting haha

[shell mortar]

Boss*

[latent steppe]

Sustaining alchemist stone or Idol of Spellweaver / Dreamer for m+ tanking guys?

i have a green trinket so i want to replace it with one of these but not sure which would be better to go with

[final gust]

does revenge not hit bonemaw?

[lofty widget]

you have to get right ont he edge of the platform

[final gust]

wild

[strong forum]

After Worm submerges, his hitbox moves further back

It's so funny that people remove Impenetrable wall to get "more dmg" from other talents

Not realising that Impenetrable wall generates more rage than Instigate

[warm plinth]

Listen, logic has no place here Nome

[strong forum]

They just think about the SW reduction, not the massive rage gen it provides lol

[latent steppe]

Taking 2x bloodborne + uproar for thundering roar cd (sacrificing shockwave from left and battering ram from right). this is for m+, am i doing something stupid by sacrificing shockwave guys?

[strong forum]

Don't take bloodborne

[latent steppe]

hmm, not even a single point of it right

[strong forum]

I wouldn't, no

The only dungeon where 1 point in BB has any minimal merit for aoe pad is in AA

Cuz you have crazy large pulls

[timber terrace]

doing sbg without spell block is just dumb, also barely anyone is logging m+

[strong forum]

Spell Block is only useful until first boss

So I can fully understand not running it in there

[timber terrace]

[lean gale]

You give so much DPS just for the beginning of the dung?

[timber terrace]

You can spell block the empowered autos on the first boss and the breath on 2nd +any cast in the dungeon

[strong forum]

You can't Spellblock breath on 2nd boss.

[lofty widget]

why wouldnt you just reflect+SW first boss

[strong forum]

And you have SW for every single wave anyway

On 2nd boss

[timber terrace]

You 100% can

[strong forum]

Nop

[timber terrace]

You're giving up your tankiness for abysmal dps gains

[lean gale]

i was in +23 sbg this week without spellblock and i really dont missed it during the key

[timber terrace]

Yeah and your healer might not feel the same about it

[lean gale]

lol

[strong forum]

Bro the only thing to Spellblock in smbg is void slash

That's it

[lean gale]

just kite and dont use it

[strong forum]

It doesn't work on fetid spit, it doesnt work on 2nd boss void blast

It doesn't work last boss (not like the boss does anything)

[warm plinth]

I think he's talking about corpse breath, which is spell blockable. But it's also a tiny amount of damage relatively.

[timber terrace]

It 100% works and if you kite you're gonna lose more dps

[lean gale]

Sorry bro but i think you have your opinnion, and dont want to chancge it

[strong forum]

Do you have any proof that it works, cuz I have that it doesn't

[lofty widget]

got a log to support that claim?

[warm plinth]

On corpse breath?

[timber terrace]

Who the fuck cares about corpse breath

[warm plinth]

Why are you so angry

[restive crown]

should i use heavy repurcussion or itf?

[ionic fern]

And Deathspikes.

[strong forum]

Ye they shlappa

Reflect 1, tank 2

[ionic fern]

No thank you.

I ain't taking those unmitigated anymore.

Even on a 22 they hit for like 235k

I got oneshot from half HP on a 23 tyrannical.

[strong forum]

Ez solution

Just don't be half hp

[warm plinth]

[lean gale]

[warm plinth]

Proof you can't block 2nd boss hit btw

[strong forum]

But running Spellblock is only 1.5-2k dps loss, I've come to terms with it being usable

[ionic fern]

Just

Parry.

[strong forum]

Exactly

[ionic fern]

Je, i run Spell Block in every dungeon rn. 😂

[warm plinth]

Seems like a viable strategy there Mwahi

Crit lovers

[strong forum]

I didn't even know you could parry it

So uh

[lean gale]

Chad Crit enjoyer

[warm plinth]

[ionic fern]

Jeah, i figured it out after that run.

[strong forum]

No wonder I sometimes don't know it exists

[ionic fern]

Cause i was thinking "Why do i take no damage..."

[lavish oracle]

You can reflect the deathspikes, right?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I just learned that too looking for that spell block thing

[strong forum]

Yes

[warm plinth]

You can reflect 1

[ionic fern]

But it makes sense since it's only applied if the melee hits.

So if you parry the melee

[strong forum]

Eyah

[ionic fern]

You parry the magic?

[warm plinth]

lol wow

[strong forum]

That's very

Very new

Never seen that ever

That journal mentions that

[warm plinth]

That's more information than I've ever seen in a dungeon journal entry

[ionic fern]

o.o

Wtf.

Dungeon Journals are usually like "Death spike is a lot of damage."

[warm plinth]

Right lol

[ionic fern]

That's awfully precise tbh.

[warm plinth]

Makes me want to look at other bosses now

[lean gale]

every time i read that, i think "No shit Sherlock"

[strong forum]

Make sure to keep your hp above 0

[lean gale]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[hearty terrace]

2 things in keys is Stance dancing a big thing? Like the reson why it pumps more dps? Also if so dose anyone have a Macro that allows me to have it in 1 key bind?

Trying to work out my main 🙂 tossing pala or war 😄

[warm plinth]

There's a macro in the pins. It's less stance dancing and more sitting in Batttle 95% of the time and swapping to defensive for tankbusters

[frail coral]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[hearty terrace]

Oh even in keys?

When do you go im going to go Defsive stance

[lean gale]

All below +20 you really can just sit in B-Stance

[cloud umbra]

idk something like the hyrja beam on higher keys

[urban portal]

It’s just a good habit to go into dstance for big hits

You don’t need it but it builds memory

And get out immediately after

[warm plinth]

Things that hit hard. Hyrja beam, RLP 1st/2nd boss, TJS 3rd boss, Crawth, maybe Vex in AA

[lean gale]

100% accurate here

[hearty terrace]

Okey intersting thanks bro ❤️ I find Warrior very “simple” so stance dancing is kinda cool

[lean gale]

Can we contact the wowhead author for prot guide to tell him, to stop recommending barbaric traning in guide ?

[shy yoke]

For crafting items with stats aka missives, which one we use? haste/vers, haste/cri or crit/vers?

[lean gale]

Haste/vers or crit/vers. Its what you like more. Both are almost the same

[lofty widget]

haste+crit or vers, up to you

[strong forum]

You can freely ping him in here

He usually responds quite fast

[lean gale]

Thx for the info! I just wanted to know the reason, why he recommend barbaric in M+ section

[thin cedar]

leymore.. do you guys aim him from the center or drag him around the outside for the frontal?? i cant find a consistent way to get the msot sprouts

[mighty valley]

i can usually trust my team to blow up enough trees that I just stay middle and aim at a decent clump

[warm plinth]

I generally find that the best course of action for the tank is to aim through the trees in the middle to the densest area on the outside of the ring

Having the middle trees up can make it quite a bit more annoying to clear the rest

[strong forum]

I always clear middle trees + whatever I can snipe on the outside, so I get minimum 4 trees

[jagged pier]

^

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, usually as long as you snipe 4 trees in general, you're in a pretty good spot

[queen canopy]

hey y'all, i'm newish to prot

In what dungeons should I be taking Spell Block?

[strong forum]

Tjs, AV, rlp are the best ones
Smbg is alright

[queen canopy]

should I be defaulting to it or defauliing to TaN?

[strong forum]

I wouldn't default to either

Swap based on needs

[quasi dagger]

Hey all, I main fury but I've been playing around with prot a bit lately. Running some lower keys (around 16s) to get some practice in and things seems to be going well. My concern is with my fury stat weights (44% mastery and 6% vers). Will this be a major issue when attempting higher keys? I don't really want to mess with my crafted gear at the moment.

[warm plinth]

It's not ideal but as long as your haste isn't in the toilet you should be alright

[quasi dagger]

It's not the best but that's an issue on my fury set too. It's sitting around 20% with rune

[warm plinth]

That's fine

[strong forum]

Andy does 26s with 10% vers

Stats don't matter

Just get ilvl > haste

And youre gucci

[jagged pier]

stats 👏 dont 👏 matter 👏

[quasi dagger]

Also I have the haste legs which you guys seem to not like in this channel. I don't know, I just ran a nokhud and had 51% uptime on them.

[uneven ice]

Lower keys he says

[strong forum]

On how many stacks

[warm plinth]

51% uptime, but on how many stacks

[strong forum]

Cuz like, getting 10 seconds of 1-8% haste on pull is fuckall

Useless on bosses or longer more dangerous pulls

Unless ofc, it works like mikanikos

Where the stacks are only gained from tab targeting

Then you could game it

[quasi dagger]

No clue. Details doesn't go into that much detail for the stacks. I just know that it was 50 applications and 241 refreshes.

[deep plume]

Am I crazy or do I only lose agro to furry warriors ? Any one else seeing this in higher keys ?

[silver vessel]

Isn't it kinda nuts in NO as well? Can reflect at least 2/4 bosses big hits?

[quasi dagger]

coming from a fury warrior, yes we pull all the time. We have insane start of fight burst

[strong forum]

??

Spell Block doesn't reflect anything

[silver vessel]

ah whoops

[deep plume]

Because I did some 22 last night it was fine held aggro had rogue DK and Feral. Go do some guild runs like 17 Every pull furry rips it

[silver vessel]

thought meant spell reflect haha

[deep plume]

No just pefect magic block

[quasi dagger]

fury needs to be quick to def stance in those cases. They need to be responsible for their own aggro till you can get it back

[deep plume]

You tell a Furry not to rip CD and charge

Its zugzug and pad all furry understands

[quasi dagger]

we need to see that 500k burst!!!!!!.....then die 😦

[deep plume]

Arms does more DPS but doesnt rip aggro

[quasi dagger]

Honestly that shouldn't be an issue in the new fury meta though. It's now anger management and Onslaught. It doesn't burst as hard as RA odyns fury. I think your fury warrior was using an outdated build to pull threat every pull

[latent steppe]

hey guys, with the prot warrior m+ talent builds everywhere i am really confused. to understand the class better what should i use as a starter? wowhead m+ guide or can someone help me with that?

[toxic pewter]

I’ve ripped aggro as arms and also have ripped aggro as prot in raids

[latent steppe]

i mean everyone using something different and they are all depending on something. so yeah, is there a general build?

[jagged pier]

[deep plume]

I only found furry ripping

[robust lark]

does charge work on rasz orbs?

[latent steppe]

thanks senpai, newbie here

[deep plume]

You have to move away then back in

I like running storm bolt and pumle

[robust lark]

cool thanks admiral

I notice the M+ guides all run int shout and I never click it...gotten grief for fearing mobs as they run away.

[royal rune]

What should my SB uptime be in dungeons

[deep plume]

Int shout doesnt have them run just tremble

[robust lark]

only if you run menace no

[jagged pier]

the fear instantly breaks

[robust lark]

word

[lean gale]

You guys play with itf or heavy rep in 21+ keys?

[jagged pier]

hr

[deep plume]

hr

[mortal brook]

Hr

[lean gale]

i tried for +23 sbg itf and i didnt like it at all the 100% uptime on shieldblock are so valuable

[jagged pier]

we dont care about uptime only blocked hits and that should be at least 90%+

[deep plume]

WE ONLY CARE FOR SPEED

[severe kestrel]

Do you guys run spell block on all dungeons or just some of them? If so which ones would you recommend? Like azure, no for example?

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[severe kestrel]

Thank you very much sir, have a great day

[deep plume]

This should be a pin

[raven hatch]

does anyone know what addon/setting it is that stops me from seeing groups in LFG if they already have a tank? and if i'm specced as DPS it stops showing groups that only need a tank?

[errant leaf]

Dumb question but what phial are we using in m+ ? If we go big damooge

I usually use eye in the storm but never really checked if this is the go to

[ruby viper]

PremadeGroupFilter

[raven hatch]

I don't appear to have that addon?

[raven hatch]

i used to think eye in the storm was bis, but it gets very little value on small packs/boss fights, so tepid versa appears to be the way forward

[raven hatch]

if you're looking solely for damooge though its probably glacial fury, but in terms of value its tepid versa

[errant leaf]

Aight thx

[strong forum]

Na glacial fury falls off the more dmg you do

On packs eye in the storm wins, on 1 target tepid vers wins

[raven hatch]

^ this guy outranks me so, what he said 🙂

[errant leaf]

🫡

[nova spoke]

whats the logic behind charge? how does it decide where you end up? it feels random AF

its been years and i still dont know, but tanking now, id like to know

[silver ice]

doesnt it just take the shortest path?

[rough egret]

Imo end up is clear, at your target and the charge its direct line

Just sometimes it made some curves to not hit a rock with your pinky

[tacit haven]

At the location your target was when you started the charge is an important thing to add. Bad timing can put you in bad spots. Like behind the adds on last boss SBG or into death on Eranog elemental add line. If you’re late on the charge.

[coarse flower]

For ST damage, should I run battering ram or punish?

if I had to choose between both

[jagged pier]

u run both

there is no choice

[coarse flower]

i want abit of AOE so im running bloodborne

[jagged pier]

the point in batterin ram is better than BB

[coarse flower]

just for M+

[jagged pier]

BB is 1.5% at best

with that 1 point

[coarse flower]

ok

[tropic linden]

Whelp is better to focus on ST or AOE?

[jagged pier]

ST

[tropic linden]

More overall dmg? Lol, that's weird

[full monolith]

Whelp on 405 with 6/6 ST still performs really bad imo …

[lime urchin]

Imaging not forgetting to train whelp

[uneven ice]

Actually it makes kind of sense, cause of being a random proc. You don’t control when it triggers, so single target is more consistent

[lime urchin]

Y’all got trained whelps?!

[tropic linden]

Yeah... Not that much dmg

[full monolith]

Mine does ~1.8% overall in m+

[tropic linden]

Only 2%

[robust lark]

Is training haste buff out of the question now?

[uneven ice]

My sim is obsessed with getting rid of decoration of flame, and I love the trinket

Also, it’s saying that crafted shield 402 is better than shield 408???

How can it be? Stats?

[full monolith]

It has defensive and offensive value. What trinkets are you simming against?

[uneven ice]

Hoof and ruby

[full monolith]

Ruby sims better? Sounds like trap to me. I have not seen a good whelp in m+

[uneven ice]

Yeah, ruby sims better. And by A LOT

also the shield thing. Maybe I’m setting something wrong

[tropic linden]

I mean, 2% is better than a lot of trinkets

[full monolith]

In theory 402 can sim higher due to stats

[uneven ice]

But I’m losing block value

[full monolith]

But you can get it to 405 anyways

[uneven ice]

Mmmmm

[full monolith]

Ye i d stick with highest ilvl trinket. Valor will be uncapped next week aswell so you should be able to get a 410+ (depending on your rio)

[uneven ice]

Yes, I will be able to put hoof in 410, and also the shield

So sad to get rid of decoration

Loved the shield

[full monolith]

Stick to it if you like it. I do not like double on-use. But on the other side I do not like whelp aswell

[uneven ice]

I will make a couple of runs with hoff+ruby, to see how it goes

[astral crystal]

it takes you to where the mob was initially when you charged i think, or where the server registered where the mob was

also has to do with mob hitbox where you land

scary af to use on nerzhul

[quick harbor]

what phial in m+ is the most favoured. I usually go vers on high keys and glacial on slightly lwoer keys

[ionic fern]

I go glacial everywhere.

[sick sentinel]

tepid versa 2 due to price to performance

more versa never hurt any tank

shit starts to get expensive AF if you gotta do minimum 1 phail, odd time 2 130 gold a piece just for ones i do

cant imagine spending much more than that, 1300gold for ten, may only get me through 5 HOV keys due to its timer for instance if i want the buff the entire dungeon

now imagine that, but your phial costs 1400 gold.....

[shell mortar]

@jagged pier @strong forum give me math pls on glacial phial Vs vers phial. Can't do sims atm

I beg

All this convo about phials made me start thinking

[sick sentinel]

750 gold, vs, 150 gold

[shell mortar]

Idc about gold mate

[sick sentinel]

hard to tell which one is better rolling my eyes

[shell mortar]

I need to know numerically which ones better on fort and tyran keys

Or per key basis

[jagged pier]

as nome said this morning if u want more aoe go eye but it falls off on less than 5 and ST target

ST runn vers

its like 3%

damage

glical is like slightly more but also sometimes slightly less

and falls off on aoe

[sick sentinel]

and it costs more

[jagged pier]

so use any of the 3 phials u like the best

🤷

[sick sentinel]

so it doesn't have as good of a cost to performance

like, if you got 8 million gold

[shell mortar]

3% is vers phial on ST you say?

[jagged pier]

everything

its gives around 3% vers i believe

but its flat of course

[shell mortar]

Aah aite

Ye

So it's around same value damage wise as glacial fury on overall

Assuming I'm not DRing vers

[jagged pier]

ye

[shell mortar]

Okay good shit

Ty

[sick sentinel]

you need clown amounts of stats to heavily DR yourself

right now

[shell mortar]

Yogi

[sick sentinel]

what is it

7 k haste?

[shell mortar]

It's ok nvm

@jagged pier is it still 30% stat for first DR?

[stable flower]

Anyone have any tips for RLP second boss. I feel like I was doing something wrong cause I was just getting chunked from the fire dot thing.

[jagged pier]

yer but its 10% so it doesnt mean anything

its 40% where u stop

[jagged pier]

its a physical dot

so u need to rotate cds correctly on it

[shell mortar]

Ok so it's the same as on SL

[jagged pier]

yes

[shell mortar]

Aite muchos gracias senior

[sick sentinel]

been logging where teleport ring takes me each day

malygos today

[past latch]

Looking through WCL/guides but there's a lot of cross-info. What dungeons do you switch talents up for generally? Also anything besides Spell Block to really switch?

[ember tangle]

Have heard of people taking bitter immunity for the tree boss if you have no other means of dispelling poison

But its kind of a shit talent for its cd

Aa tree boss i mean

[sick sentinel]

no

but im only proging on 15 keys

pugs is hit and miss

did this, this week,m most of it was for minor improvements in score

but, i don't run keys that aren't capable of giving IO atm

[past latch]

Understandable, looking more for >20s where some talents might end up feeling like a necessity.
General consensus I've come up with is RLP/TJS are Spell Block, AV/SBG are 50/50 Spell Block. Wondering if there's any other talents too. Doesn't look like it (some might have minor changes for some people but looking for majority decision.

[tame jasper]

No need. Healer and in general 1 dd can dispell the poision. and u can reduce damage with spell reflect. As adds die very quick since the change I never had problems with high stacks since then. not even on 20

[sick sentinel]

.... oh god.... what hapenned here.....

i don't recall butchering that key this badly,

[tame jasper]

in AA almost every ability of all mobs is spellblockable

in SBG its a nice addition too

[vivid lantern]

I tried a +20 AA with a shaman healer who didn’t dispel me (Didn’t take poison cleaning totem.). The ret pala in my group was doing it. But I was hitting 45 stacks and eventually died once one of the dps stood in the swirly’s. I don’t know if bitter immunity would have helped. It’s not like it has a 30sec cd. 3 min is way to long.

[tame jasper]

that's intense fail by the healer

every key relies on some key things - in AA one of them is that the healer has the dispell

[vivid lantern]

I don’t see you would ever take bitter immunity with a 3 min cd.

[limpid anchor]

1 dispell is better than no dispell

Also you only need a dispell on the second wave

So having bitter is enough

[sick sentinel]

problem is often players are not awake at keyboard listening for "im sending in the bomb squad" voice lines, and then looking for said bombs, running away from them and hitting dmg dealing abilities

the game quite literal and physical, tells you, in many ways, what its about to do

Storm drakes come to my side! drake appears breaths thunder.... hmm wonder if its connected and something i need to listen for

[boreal tiger]

hey since hyrja Tank buster is spell blockable does spell reflect reduce the incoming dmg by 20% as well?

[sick sentinel]

you can reflect deflect it, SW, ip, or d stance

[hardy snow]

you cant deflect, SR just gives DR for that

[sick sentinel]

you can get 20% damage reduction from the reflect buff dont you

thats what i meant to say sorry

[rough egret]

Thats not what deflect means right? 🙂

[sick sentinel]

i thought i read it was a deflection

[vivid lantern]

The issue I have is more that it’s 2 talent points to get. I don’t take bounding stride in M+. So I give up pain and gain + side arm. I mean it’s not the end of the world, I just prefer those.

[limpid anchor]

Yes same, but I rather don’t die

[sick sentinel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

yeah, looks like you can block it too

i've never really tried

[bright citrus]

If I'm understanding this correctly, Prot goes to 40% haste without ItF?

[tropic linden]

Hey, how do i check SR dmg in logs? Forgot where to look at

[inland raft]

Ilvl>haste>vers=crit>mastery and yes 40% is where it starts losing value to heavy dr but its not something that o even think about at our current gear levels

[uneven mason]

Itf begins leading at around that if you can reliably maintain 5 stacks in ae

[boreal turtle]

hey, what you guys doing for the boss Liu Flameheart at ph2? i allways faill on that one somehow

[uneven mason]

Press buttons

[lime urchin]

we press buttons here sir

[uneven mason]

Also

[boreal turtle]

where are the pins?

nvm, found it, tx tho

[uneven mason]

If you're on mobile they're tucked into the little person icon up top

Otherwise they look like 📌

[rough egret]

MDI teams doing 21RLP under 12min 😐 like thats what kind of magic

😄

[lean gale]

on Tournament or life?

[rough egret]

Tournament

[lean gale]

Ye with perfect gear its crazy

[crystal mauve]

Where can I see that? 😮

[rough egret]

On raider.io page

Click on MDI

TJS under 13min

[crystal mauve]

The players might be more important than gear tbh, give me that gear it will still not be 12mins lol

[rough egret]

^

[uneven mason]

Gear is padding vs bad execution

[lean gale]

Ofc players are important! But when you have perfect gear this people can excel more. Dont be offended

[reef holly]

Do MDI players get full ilevel/tier etc?

[rough egret]

FireM, Feral and UH

And ofc pwar

[sterile bough]

oh ye 10% more value from gear will change sth

copium

[uneven mason]

Yes, they also get to practice the keys over and over on the tournament realm

[crystal mauve]

Sorry I don’t mean to look offended, I just see too often people complaining about bad gear when they just play badly, also these guys invest so much time we should give them credit for their plays more than the gear 🙂

[lean gale]

Holy moly! Ofc this people are more improtant then gear but they can do even more with perfect gear

[uneven mason]

Keys at that level are all about perfect execution

[sterile bough]

ye gear will give them maby 30 sec - 1min

[strong forum]

They don't even have perfect gear cuz they can't roll leech or avoidance on it

[uneven mason]

It's the gimmicks and tricks and finding the last oz of weight you can trim

[strong forum]

Or extra sockets

[uneven mason]

[strong forum]

And most of those players are 8/8 mythic already they only have a few ilvl more than on live

[lean gale]

Andybrew is now at Echo,

[strong forum]

Like 3-4

[uneven mason]

But yeah gear isn't the #1 thing and people focus way too much on it

[rough egret]

Replaced Naowh

[uneven mason]

Nerf got gone?

[lean gale]

Holy moly why?

[ember tangle]

The second part of the sentence was "if you have no other means" as far as i remember only druid pala and monk can dispell poison, so if your group doesnt have those it might be good.

[rough egret]

He quit raiding

[lean gale]

Ohh i see, pretty sad, but when he dont want to its the right decission for him. Andy is amazing as tank

[modest gulch]

I drink too sometimes don't sweat it

[sick sentinel]

i recall now

[tranquil fern]

just roll brewmaster, being drunk is a requirement for proper play

[sick sentinel]

someone stood in a position that made sure the bats wer to be pulled with the first bridge worm

[lean gale]

i needed to reroll from BM bc of my liver

[sick sentinel]

yogi.exe has stopped working, thrown into water 2-3 times, probably wipe on final boss 2-3 times lol

[tranquil fern]

livers are overrated

millions of people die every year, did their livers save them? no

[lean gale]

https://tenor.com/view/alf-youre-absolutely-right-you-are-right-youre-not-wrong-youre-right-gif-26187823

[oak echo]

Really? Tourney realm used to always let you add sockets

It's a small diff obviously but surprised they'd leave that out

[lean gale]

Someone know what tank they played for that key?

[oak echo]

For mdi?

[lean gale]

For that 12min RLP

[oak echo]

Every top run atm is pwar

Unless that one isn't on leaderboard yet

[lean gale]

Thats just impressive

[modest gulch]

Would love a video of that

Or log

Bet that unholy dk was pumping hard like 500k+ dps on aoe pulls

I can't even fathom the route... like...

1. everything up to first boss
2. first boss
3. first two of the fire elemental packs plus fire dragon
4. second two of the fire elemental packs plus thunder dragon
5. second boss
6. everything up to last boss
7. last boss

[crystal mauve]

They probably combine everything into first boss to funnel in it

[strong forum]

That's a bit much

The steel barrage dude fucks

[crystal mauve]

If they plan on doing both dragons (which are great count) I think they shroud and take only what's necessary into first boss

[strong forum]

You cant skip him

He automatically pulls if you start boss

[crystal mauve]

You skip the first juggernaut

[strong forum]

Idk if vanish trick even works

Ah you mean that

[crystal mauve]

We pulled boss in a 18 when that dude was at 30% and we survived so it's definetely doable

[sick sentinel]

its fine to pull the bats SBG bridge with first worm or? how should it be handled the bat circle pack

cuz, i think they have interupt stuff need to do

[echo scarab]

either do it with the first or aggro them on the way to second worm

but i'd prefer to do them on the first worm together with cds so they are back for worm boss

[crystal mauve]

I always take them with first wurm

[echo scarab]

spotted the german

[sick sentinel]

oh okay, well, that was why then

i saw it happening, understood what was about to happen, but i protested doing what was required some dumb reason

[spare loom]

what keys can I tank at 370 ilvl?

can I tank 10s?

[sudden crow]

yes

easily

[uneven mason]

Can tank 10s in leveling greens

[spare loom]

no but like

Im really noob

[modern brook]

you can tank 15s at 370 if u have a grasp of the class

[uneven mason]

Press buttons

[modern brook]

you're going to struggle at any key level if you dont

[spare loom]

I only played DPS in BfA and SL and now I started playing in DF on Guardian Druid (which is 2.3K rio score)

[uneven mason]

Is punch? Press blok

[wanton lance]

whats the call on into the fray vs heavy repercussions for keys?

[modern brook]

370 means you're likely running a low ilvl shield

[uneven mason]

Is rage, press IP

[spare loom]

Is it bad if I don't die at all but my dps is low?

[lime urchin]

just play keys and find out yourself. its all about practising and getting the muscle memory correct and learning how to pull, choosing the routes etc etc. just play man, and enjoy the ride

[modest gulch]

I started the season doing it like this, both to push myself to learn the class gradually and learn dungeons so its memory muscle.

• run a +2, if cleared run a +3, if cleared run a +4, etc...

[modern brook]

weird question, but yes, dps => clear speed

I'd highly suggest reading the guides

[uneven mason]

If you have 40ish% haste and can maintain high uptime on 5 stacks run itf otherwise hr

[modern brook]

ITF is a aoe damage gain for a surv loss and a net neutral on st

[spare loom]

I know the basics, keep shield block up, keep IP up

if rage and IP up, use revenge

if rage and no IP up, use IP

and thunder clap and shield slam on cd

ravager on pull

and TR on CD

[modern brook]

Read guides -> bricka pug key -> provide log for feed back

[modest gulch]

Nope, dps priority is always
Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge

[modern brook]

theres literally 0 reason talking about what you should do

[spare loom]

even without IP?

[uneven mason]

Don't think about IP uptime, it just happens as you dump rage

[modest gulch]

IP doesn't do damage, I said "dps priority" because you need rage for IP

[spare loom]

but my monkey brain would just dump all rage into revenge

[uneven mason]

It's not ok n the gcd, you press it if y have 70+ rage

[crystal mauve]

On my DK I farmed 15/17 at 365ilvl so it's doable easily

[uneven mason]

But it is an offensive spend

[uncut notch]

revenge before tc for vanguard. no?

[wanton lance]

are those 40% a hard cap? i can get a bit over 30

[spare loom]

i'll try for myself and return if Im having troubles

[timber forge]

any good youtube channel with tips focused in routes/tank tips for all levels of difficult? im currently doing 15~17 content only but looking for masterize knowledge to help in pugs

[spare loom]

so mainly I should dump my rage into revenge not into IP

cause my main mitigation is shield block?

[uneven mason]

It's the point where itf becomes a gain without eating your shirt on SB uptime

[modest gulch]

Literally not what I said

[uneven mason]

Yes

[wanton lance]

okay that makes sense, i guess SB uptime can really take a hit here

[spare loom]

is Shield Block like Guardian's IronFur?

only stronger?

[wanton lance]

seems manageable with correct play

[uneven mason]

Yeah, and it's only a DPS gain in AE

[uncut notch]

hence the question mark

[uneven mason]

It'll probably be a st loss without perfect gameplay

[wanton lance]

ye im considering it for keys

so would be AoE

[spare loom]

any prot that switched from guardian?

[uneven mason]

No, ironfur buffs their armor pool, block is a 2nd mitigation check

[sick sentinel]

370 should be OKAY for doing 10s, long as you are putting in a good effort

by all means do anything you can to increase your own power

[spare loom]

oh also, should I use Last Stand together with Shield Wall?

[wanton lance]

only if you need it

which you most likely never do

so general answer is, dont stack cooldowns unless you know you need it

[spare loom]

I see it as a panic button

[wanton lance]

try to figure out whats the best CD for the situation at hand etc

[tame jasper]

you can do 15 too with it

[wanton lance]

thats alright, but wall isnt

[uneven mason]

You use SW to smooth damage where you'll take a spike, last stand if needed I'd tie to impending victory to boost that heal

[rough egret]

Feral aswell 😄

[sick sentinel]

yess, well if you learn how bosses work, you wont have to panic, simple

[spare loom]

that's smart

so for example

I could use Last Stand on 2nd TJS boss?

[wanton lance]

man im around +23s atm and i still panic literally daily 🐵

[spare loom]

3rd*

on Liu

and use SW on Liu as well on another damage spike?

[sick sentinel]

try not to cry, cry anyways

[spare loom]

cause that's one hell of a tank buster

atleast on my druid

[modest gulch]

Pugging on Tryannical is really bad on 18s, failure rate is like 3 out of 4 for me it seems this week it feels.

[oblique wharf]

Algethar is driving me crazy this week

birdie boi is fucking me up on 20

[slim dove]

play arms as a break.

[uneven mason]

SW will be available approximately every minute so you can use it pretty often, I'd say the ls+iv trick is a good one since Liu placed a healing absorb

[spare loom]

every minute?

it has a 4 minute cd

[modest gulch]

At least they removed the wind lol

[rancid ember]

when?

[uneven mason]

What build are you using

[royal lodge]

So, I got trucked last night while tanking Broodmother. We ended up using a 3 tank strategy but I'm sure I should be able to tank her through the debuff she puts on the tank. Any advise?

[spare loom]

uhhh

1 sec

[uneven mason]

No snark, but read your talents knowledge is power

[sand mason]

You get cdr on shield wall from shield slam in regular talent build

[modest gulch]

shrug last couple of times I ran there was none.

[spare loom]

oh

[rancid ember]

Wind comes out when u do the 2nd set of balls on the wind side

[spare loom]

didn't know

[sand mason]

You get wind when you toss orbs into the second circle

[rancid ember]

Psure the mechanic still exists. tho I'd love if it didnt

[acoustic stone]

Has anyone been asked to solo soak Fenryr's Claw Frenzy? Trying to see how to reliable use C/D's if this is an option

[uneven mason]

We have 2 talents that create a rage gen/spend feedback loop with avatar and sw

[sand mason]

Normally you have to if she lives more than 8 screeches to reset stacks

[modest gulch]

What level? Normal/Heroic/Mythic?

[lofty widget]

you have to leap out if you wanna "solo"

[rose cobalt]

Never tried solo soak but with spell block intervene I can do 3 soaks on 20

[lofty widget]

cant reliably live it

[royal lodge]

It is just heroic.

[modest gulch]

Oh I didn't know, I don't do balls

[rose cobalt]

We instant taunt swap

[slim dove]

run hr over itf for that fight, rotate defensives, spell reflect is actually big. mortal stoneclaws has a big magical component to it.

I tank it solo just fine at 413, actually a bit of a snooze now.

[uneven mason]

That looks fine besides thunderlord being iffy in most situations where you'll use a 2nd ds anyway

But on phone so my eyes might've missed something

[spare loom]

i see

[rose cobalt]

I drop tlord for both shield charge nodes

Smashy bashy dps tank

[modest gulch]

Save Impending Victory for either right before (if you're low) or right after the debuff wears off. Cycle that, Last Stand (if needed) and Shield Wall. Stay in range of your healer. I used to die on that fight heroic leaping between some of the eggs that were farther away (6 into 7). Make sure your healer knows to use shields and stuff, since its a healing debuff, and not to run oom dumping into you when its not going to matter.

[uneven mason]

Basically tl unsyncs DS with roar, avatar and ravager, so it's a wash at best

[timber forge]

any good youtube channel with tips focused in routes/tank tips for all levels of difficult? im currently doing 15~17 content only but looking for masterize knowledge to help in pugs

[slim dove]

routes this season are mostly hold W.

[spare loom]

wowhead has ok routes for MDT

that's how I learned that

[modest gulch]

https://m.youtube.com/c/Tactyks/videos

One of many options. He's a druid but does a goos job being thorough on mechanics and routes.

[uneven mason]

Tie SB and SS to w, and hear the lamentations of their women.

[timber forge]

thanks bro, he's have a lot of videos from weeks ago but still works right? not big changes about mechs/route only nerfs I think

[uneven mason]

Not really much to routs

Outside of AV

[slim dove]

yeah its very, very straight forward and obvious

pull size varies by affixes

[uneven mason]

It's really hard to pull extras this season

[slim dove]

eh i did it in nok by accident

[hollow hill]

any tips on surviving jade serpent strike on 3rd boss of temple? Seems like even rotating cooldowns I was getting absolutely smashed on a 15

[uneven mason]

I do it in nok on purpose

[slim dove]

3rd area too fun to pad in

[uneven mason]

It's a heal absorb

[slim dove]

1 continuous never ending pull while the healer is whining about mana

good times.

[timber forge]

thanks.. need a CoS guide about pillars/alchemy/hows pick things.. never doing manys CoS.. i'll look in youtube videos

[modest gulch]

Routes probably won't change much, but check the routes in Mythic Dungeon Tools weekly if you're not confident.

[hollow hill]

Did I just have a shite healer then?

[timber forge]

actually im using mdt routes by raider io and wowhead... sometimes have a delay to update week to week but I do the basic routes and felling the pulls and party in pug