protection

[craggy pilot]

but its more like

i get blobs on the tank frontal also

so then when i get pushed back, and have to clear trees

sometimes i have exploding blobs on me

[shell mortar]

Avatar , demo shout and shield charge up for every wave

[craggy pilot]

but i guess i just Shockwave there

[shell mortar]

Stand close to middle, before explosion do shockwave and heroic leap

[craggy pilot]

so many specifics on that boss damn 🤣

[shell mortar]

Well, that's what I'm saying, devil's in the details

This is necessary knowledge and minmaxing if you want to do higher keys

[craggy pilot]

yeye i get that

but i feel like theres no other boss with this many small details

[shell mortar]

Yep there definitely are

[craggy pilot]

and each thing, if you fuck it up, you get oneshot

[warm plinth]

If the previous adds aren't dead before frontal then you have another issue lol

[craggy pilot]

ye thats also what im thinking

[warm plinth]

did a 20 AV yesterday and the tank had plenty of time before next frontal to position boss without worrying about the adds and we didn't have stellar dps or anything

[craggy pilot]

might have just been an unlucky grp i had

[shell mortar]

Nah, it's a real thing, you want your dps to st the boss, the aoe starts oneshottong you on higher keys

In my group I'm the only one padding on the adds

[warm plinth]

The aoe doesn't do any more damage at the end of the fight than it does at the beginning as long as you get all the trees down. It's like 1 second of "padding" if everyone kills them

They don't have a ton of health or anything. They die very quickly

And you're more likely to get a good frontal if you aren't dodging swirls at the same time.

[shell mortar]

You run out of defensives tho

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't need defensives to live on a 20

With 0 trees

[shell mortar]

Not in a 20 obviously

[warm plinth]

Most specs don't lose much to throw some aoe on the adds anyway. It's weird to just intentionally not do damage to them

[shell mortar]

I mean you do damage but eg sub does evis instead of black powder, or boomy starsurge instead of starfall

[unborn forge]

Are you guys doing skips in azure vault this week? +20s

[warm plinth]

We didn't do any in ours

[unborn forge]

Worse BL timing with skip this week right?

[modest coral]

Which gems do we use if we have Lariat? Vers/Haste to proc the haste? or other way around

[shell mortar]

Pure haste or high vers low haste

To proc haste

[modest coral]

Cool, thanks!

[pale dragon]

what is the best dps spec for lower keys like 17s with no regard for defensives?

[blazing condor]

whatever you're best at

[onyx cedar]

hi lads im trying to figure how to cover myself with searing wounds against RLP

With a druid and double shield wall talents will it get to a point where there will be no defensives for the searing wounds?

[pale dragon]

what a pointless response ty

[blazing condor]

it just doesnt matter what you play in low key cus at that point every dps spec is viable

just play what you prefer

but if you really care about it then go check a tier list and meta slave whats at s tier

[pale dragon]

maybe i should rephrase it to what #protection build does the most damage in low keys? i'm 2 weeks new to tanking and only used 1 or 2 specs up to 2700 score so have no idea on what prot builds will do the most dmg

[blazing condor]

ah

thought you were asking about other classes

the ones in the pins are pretty much the one thats used for dps. But you can always check on warcraftlogs and see for 17s what top pwarrs run

[pale dragon]

nana just wanna blast in my cos farming

[bold comet]

Question to the Prot lovers: How do y'all tell when it's your fault doing a poor rotation that you're dying, or just a poor healer?

[mental scarab]

@pale dragon just take all talents that gives + dmg and no utility or def

[bold portal]

How much value does the auto-attack ring actually add? Got a really nice Haste/vers ring from N.O and it feels pretty tempting to replace. I'm running Cobalt shielding ring and jeweled signet usually.

[pine lotus]

Point for point for blockable damage, is mastery the highest impact secondary stat? I know it’s not our best overall but got whetstone and trying to feel better about losing all that strength

[vocal nimbus]

Whetstone is the best thing there will ever be

[karmic plinth]

mastery still gives attack power too

the mastery on the trinket is not a terrible thing

[pine lotus]

I love it still don’t get me wrong lol. Just wondering how effective the damage reduction portion is

[astral crystal]

You should be able to survive them all on a 20 rotating shield wall and demo/spell reflect/LS/IV

Spell block too i think

[amber siren]

Spell reflect and spell block doesn't cover it, it's a physical attack

Pins has a good list of what options you have

[astral crystal]

The dot is phys?

[amber siren]

It's a bleed

[astral crystal]

O thought it was fire

[karmic plinth]

its not as good as just having strength, but it still will help an okay amount

[ivory elbow]

windscar there is no target cap to it right

[atomic spoke]

Does anyone have a build for maxdmg for lowkey spamm?

[cobalt mesa]

Is granyth Enduring Scale any good for prot warrior in m+ ? seems to me that eranog trinket (heroic version) is not as good as the scale but no one plays the scale

[lime urchin]

I am afraid for being mocked for this question, but imma ask it anyway

does the magic damage reduction from spell reflection also work on bleeds?

ie does it soften the bleed ticks?

[daring marlin]

Nope.

[halcyon dust]

I like decoration for the aoe part of it. Helps get aggro in specific situations. That said, I run whetstone and Rumbling Ruby

[daring marlin]

People who have a high ilvl scale are using it

[sick sentinel]

got some wow thing on twitch

[daring marlin]

Granyth's is pretty fucking good

[amber siren]

Scale has a pretty low rppm afaik

[sick sentinel]

thats what the weather machine looks like

[terse remnant]

How much does a decoration of flame shield for vs 5 targets

[halcyon dust]

I use it more for the insta aggro it provides. Not the damage. Sometimes my team gets trigger happy

[terse remnant]

I'm interested in the shield since it's damage is pretty bad compared to other trinkets

[sick sentinel]

well, we have spammable off the GCD ip so long as we have rage

so its kinda like just adding a bigger IP and then prayge

to me, thats the healers job, to give you that uh, buffer, absorb

[amber siren]

the shield is 80k on mythic both ways which is like? 3-4 IPs?

It's not that amazing

[sick sentinel]

for the most part, outside what u are capable of giving ur self

[terse remnant]

The single target shield is laughably low

[amber siren]

Oh probably closer to 100-120k actually

[sick sentinel]

everytime i run NO i run it as fury, incase i get the party speed passive trinket

[amber siren]

Still pretty lacklustre imo

[sick sentinel]

i'd probably never use it, but i could, and that would cut down on some confusion for me, its one less button and item i have to worry about managing

[terse remnant]

I just feel like unless you are pushing literal cutting edge content where an 80k shield is 100% needed to survive on top of cooldowns its just useless

[sick sentinel]

to me wow is about removing the most amount of confusion so you can "attack the monster until it dies"

[terse remnant]

And its value drops even more if you don't mash it on cooldown and are instead saving it for say tank busters

Just having a hard time understanding why it's recommended and people are using outside of a last resort situation where you have nothing else

[sick sentinel]

i don't remember what our HP values were in BFA

[amber siren]

Usually it's recommended by people who overvalue the absorb

[sick sentinel]

but, there was machimbas bandages, shit absorbed a fuck load over like, a very short time less than 10 seconds at most

and it asborbed like, 60% of your bar

so, i could just throw that thing on, IP on jes howliss, eat the flashing dagger

[daring marlin]

Mchimba's was bad cuz the CD was so long.

[terse remnant]

As opposed to running a dps trinket to do more damage and just avoid the avoidable dmg ofc

[sick sentinel]

i loved those bandages, my favorite dungeon non dps trinket

[ocean prairie]

guys i have a problem, my warcraft logs uploader is not working. this is my log of 2 keys: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V2tbKFArHfT6BJn3/ it longs the first 3 or so minutes then it stops.. do you know what could be the problem?

[terse remnant]

To be honest recommending a tank trinket on the strongest tank by far (pre nerf and post) is just insane lol

[rotund dew]

Last Key im missing on +20 is AA. And i've been in there > 20 times already this week. Is tyranical in AA super hard?

[sick sentinel]

bird sucks

[amber siren]

Crawth kinda slaps

[terse remnant]

Elemental is worse

[sick sentinel]

bird sucks because peck, and fire phase doesn't let up for some time

[terse remnant]

Not for tanking but for the group in general

[sick sentinel]

also i meant to ask about this last night, but WTF is the black tonadoes on crawth bird boss AA about

[terse remnant]

If you are able to tank bird it's just on you where as elemental is on everyone

[sick sentinel]

around phase 3,

just avoid them?

[rotund dew]

I dont know. Tree is easy. Then im in there where groups dont focus the add -> wipe.
Bird is.. playable. Get 4 Stacks MAYBE even 5 if everyone is aware. Ppl die with 3 stacks..

[sick sentinel]

i mean like obviously, but i never really realized they are part of the fight

[rotund dew]

And Elemental: people just die left and right

[sick sentinel]

the big air elemental before birds?

[rotund dew]

nooo vexamus

[terse remnant]

No

The boss

The Arcane elemental dude

[sick sentinel]

oh right, no, well, cuz i see fuck loads of ppl dying to airman

they could not defeat air man

[rotund dew]

I try to avoid the overlap. Let one orb go through after 2nd AoE. Everyone is full. It was called. I shout, let one through. People lose like 10% health. Mana bomb -> 2 people dead

[sick sentinel]

with the big wind guy, i just keep him dead center

and then i have my self get yeeted into pillar

[rotund dew]

I kite him around the pillar to shorten LoS time

Is my route the problem?

[sick sentinel]

its more the tornadoes that guy spawns that is what kills you, does a ton of dmg and then stun

[rotund dew]

No skip route

never was able to try pull 14/15 this week.

Group always left before

[lofty widget]

i'd go vexamus first

[sick sentinel]

thats exactly what my route is

[lofty widget]

with lust

[rotund dew]

Yeah If we have shroud I always suggest that

[lofty widget]

well no just clear up to it

[rotund dew]

takes to long..

would lose one BL wouldnt we?

[lofty widget]

you would with the other r oute as well tho

[rotund dew]

lust tree (even tho its easy), lust Vex

well yeah ure right

[sick sentinel]

i have ALWAYS gone tree first

[lofty widget]

you want lust on vex+bird probably

[sick sentinel]

except maybe once in leveling normals

[lofty widget]

and then it comes back for last boss at some point too

that's more than fine esp for 20s

[rotund dew]

normally yes. But that u would need to backtrack a lot

But still. Not sure if the route is the problem... We once made it till vex without any mistake. No dead nothing. But evoker left because: we only have 8min left wont make it.

[lofty widget]

route isnt the problem if ppl are dying on bosses

that's on them for not using defensives

not much you can do there

[rotund dew]

is trash week easier in there?

[sick sentinel]

i find fort weeks generally easier, but its about 50/50

[orchid frigate]

think ive depleted my AA 5 lvls just coz people have forgotten how to do the bosses

[sick sentinel]

in SL, i only really ever ran my own keystone

now, im just running other peoples again like in BFA

[rotund dew]

I want to finish all +20.. thus I kinda always look for AA

[sick sentinel]

i don't think im skilled enough to run a 20

[rotund dew]

thats the fun part

most of us aren't

We are 4 man premade

if we play together we deplete EVERY key

all my +20 are pugged

but we all have most +20 dones

[sick sentinel]

problem with me and my DK friend is that we are both competitive so it creates fights and negative feedback

else i'd probably still be running with them

[fading sundial]

Yeah for AA I go Vex first, Lust, go back to Tree, then Bird, Lust, then kill trash between Vex and Bird for %

Its worth having lust on those 2 bosses

[sick sentinel]

dk's reaction after less than 10 seconds remaning on key timed

[tame jasper]

yes, tree is free

[idle quartz]

Hey guys! I was just running a Mythic 10, and I was outhealing my healer by like…. A lot. They were a shaman, but I was somehow producing anywhere from 50%-3x their heals during basically the entire instance… which we couldn’t complete. Is this normal? I haven’t ever noticed myself out-healing my healer before.

[strong forum]

Is not out of the ordinary

[idle quartz]

I wasn’t even using any of my major defensive cooldowns, like Bitter Immunity. Just by DPSing with the occasional Impending victory

Still, I feel like having 1.2m heals after a boss vs his 334k is strange

[sick sentinel]

pump IV everytime it resets and you need a heal imo

[strong forum]

I mean, if you don't take dmg there's nothing to be healed

Lol

[oak echo]

most of your healing as warrior is from your IP. on a 10 there's no damage going out to require healing by the healer

[tacit haven]

Ignore pain is your biggest “heal”. It’s not strange to outheal a healer

[strong forum]

The healer is mostly there to heal your group

Not you

[sick sentinel]

especially pump IV into huge packs of AOE like tree trash and boss

every time you killing blow something, it resets

[idle quartz]

Great insight, I didn’t know that!

[sick sentinel]

tanking aint easy man

don't let people fool you into easiest job in the game, not hard, no, but its no cakewalk

[idle quartz]

That’s why I find it satisfying

[sick sentinel]

people who claim "tanking easiest job in game, just press taunt" type levels of shit, have never mained tank spec

[idle quartz]

Man, I played prot warrior in classic too, in comparison I almost never have to taunt things, just the occasional leak.

Never have to taunt in dragonflight*

[strong forum]

That's cuz tanking in classic is nothing like actual tanking

Back then you're a pure meatshield permanently getting spam healed otherwise you'll die in 3seconds and don't have the ability to hold threat of dps players unless they hold back for extended periods

Nothing about that is fun

[tame jasper]

and cooldowns of 30min 😄

[ruby viper]

Hey Guys, it is possible to create a macro that casts Thunderous Roar, Avatar and Ravager (@player) at the same time? Only twice a time works, when i write a macro

[strong forum]

Both roar and ravager are on GCD, so no

[ruby viper]

okay, thanks

Should I use it together?

[weary saddle]

u can make castsequence macro

[strong forum]

The ideal order is ravager > demo shout > roar > shield charge

[sick sentinel]

well, there still existed some strategy doing things in 2004 wow, i think imma start calling it 2004, cuz then its non debatable what it is

vanilla not equal classic

[oak echo]

^ and don't tie avatar into those, or at least not exclusively. you get avatar way more often than roar/rav and should essentially send on CD. demo and shield charge should always line up with roar and rav assuming you're using them on cd

[weary saddle]

actually i fondly remember that threat mechanic. essentially the tank in those days had to generate greater threat relative to dps, hence u needed a strong tank to cater to strong dps

that was 2004

[oak echo]

having to pay attention to threat meters 🤮

[sick sentinel]

i played 2004 wow and i know for absolute fact it was way different than classic of launch or even today

[weary saddle]

yes we had to stare at threatmeters

[sick sentinel]

no, man no, not at all

like i played wow in the preaddons days

[weary saddle]

And threat reduction was a game mechanic

[bold turret]

Just a note, Demo does not line up with SC if you're running Thunderlord

[sick sentinel]

they were extremely sparse and rare at the time

[ruby viper]

[strong forum]

Ik, but in hindsight its an anti-fun mechanic to play around threat

[sick sentinel]

and virtually nobody had them in this time

[weary saddle]

no weakauras, no dbm in those days. but there were threat meters

[sick sentinel]

the only way 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of us was just the base wow game with default settings

[strong forum]

Like imagine you being a dps, unable to play the game cuz your tank is 0.1% away from hit cap or not spell hit capped and his taunt gets resisted

[sick sentinel]

i been killed by odyn at least 3 or 4 times that i know of at 81%

breaks my heart

[oak echo]

lol what

[bold turret]

Although I don't think threat is a fun mechanic I don't want to go back to the "pop CDs and run" like legion.

[strong forum]

That was a thing because more often than not they would kill your group if you tanked them

[oak echo]

true but TL is a dps loss to take

[strong forum]

And I'm certain blizz will never design mobs like in legion again, that just stop doing anything and will just follow the tank

That's why it was so powerful, you could pull unimaginably big and just run away and the mobs would stop doing any mechanic

[sick sentinel]

angry boi druid lost a duel, wants a rematch

[bold turret]

Ah yeah, I just remember not enjoying it honestly. Tanking is much more fun now.

[sick sentinel]

shouting in valdrakne for his coward monk opponent to come back and rematch him

[strong forum]

That's why the introduced fervent strikes in bfa, which was also poor execution cuzt they'd just randomly clap your dps players if they were 1 Pixel too close

And in SL they just made more casters and ranged that you couldn't kite so easily + a couple fervents

[oak echo]

fervent + managing necrotic

[strong forum]

And mobs too spread out to pull together

In df they just make it so the mobs don't even perma cast on the tank, and instead almost always target dps with their nukes

[sick sentinel]

i'm 2.0.0.5 expansions new and wtf is a ferverant strikers?

[strong forum]

Fervent strike is called this because it was the first ability observed to do their tankbuster on the closest target in range, not just the tank

[oak echo]

attacks that hit your dps if you get out of melee range

[strong forum]

So if you tried to run away as tank, they'd still cast it on the melee dps instead of running after the tank and not using it

[sick sentinel]

oh, ok gunker?

[strong forum]

Atal dazar

The stealth dudes

[daring marlin]

garbage dungeon

[sick sentinel]

uhhh, ohhhhh, i only vaguely remember that some troll guy with an axe does it

and it wipes the party tldr

[oak echo]

necrotic wake the big dudes at the beginning that would gain stacks of the enrage

SL was full of them at the start

[sick sentinel]

i hate necrotic wake

but im francis from left4dead, i hate everything

[wide charm]

do you prefer Aegis or impenetrable wall on crawth N

?*

[strong forum]

Wall

You'll need more than 2 SWs on crawth, in that scenario wall just hard wins

[ruby viper]

[last mason]

Are the alch trinks bait?

Just focusing on filling lowest ilvl at this point and cape and trink are my lowest slots

Also pants but idk if I want to craft in a tier slot even tho I already have 4p

[potent elbow]

Any known molten shield recrafters? need 418 recraft (EU)

[tame jasper]

u need to find one in your realmpool

[bold turret]

What server you on?

[potent elbow]

Silvermoon, finally found someone and got it done

[stray knoll]

Lautrax how much does it cost to recraft to 415 minimum and 418 proc now?

like what r people asking for atm

[timber forge]

off topic maybe but someone have a good list of mdt routes?

updated

[rotund dew]

on raider io

there are weekly routes

[timber forge]

thanks niccoo

[fast pollen]

I likemy alch trinket buf if you find a better one take it

[timber forge]

what's the best way to running and aggro mobs to stack and aoe them all? without loosing aggro... its ask for party dont hit?

best ability to aggro while running I think its my doubt

[cloud umbra]

something like the pull in AA with the lashers. Group should wait till its stacked

[pine lotus]

Avatar + thunderclap

[timber forge]

yea. I think about AA and after 2nd boss in AV

to big pulls without loosing aggro in the way

[pine lotus]

And aoe taunt, don’t forget it

[cloud umbra]

after 2nd boss you can charge to each group and TC and bring them together

[timber forge]

Okay. sry newbie question but Im new with prot to help my fellas

[cloud umbra]

academy they have to let up

[timber forge]

Oh.. I played alot with DK and running to the mobs without defensive.. with prot I need Avatar always on cd before pull? have any good defensive to always using before enter in melee range combat? just to know

[cloud umbra]

charge + avatar + shield block while you are charging

[timber forge]

avatar + charge always give rage for Shield Block right? cool, thanks bro @cloud umbra

without Avatar I just charge, generate rage and keep Shield Block up?

learning about prioritys and Ignore Pain, reading wowhead guide

[cloud umbra]

ya avatar and charge generate just enough for a SB

[slow harbor]

recommend ignore pain + shield block weakaura trackers if you dont already have

[cloud umbra]

if you dont have avatar up, shield charge gives you a shield block

priority is shield block up 100% ignore pain extra

for defensive

[subtle sparrow]

Get that talent where shield charge gives you shield block

[timber forge]

Oh, I forgout about that, is Champion's Bulwark right?

[subtle sparrow]

Yes

[timber forge]

using, now I need a Shield Block WA.. already using IP WA

[timber forge]

thanks

[tame jasper]

ignore pain is primaly a rage dump

[cloud umbra]

a lot of WA has a buff bar. Quazi has a prot warrior buff bar that is decent

[timber forge]

In my head IP are the most importantly but when I start reading all skills.. shield block is amazing

[cloud umbra]

Nah melee is your #1 taken damage, you want to block all of it

maybe not #1 always but usually. Theres some fights where IP is more important sometimes

[timber forge]

Its okay only play def stance while im learning?

[tame jasper]

see def stance as a cooldown

playing bstance is better to get a feeling for what hits

but if u feel unsafe, sure 🙂

[timber forge]

how its works.. I generate the same aggro with Bstance?

[tame jasper]

u just do less damage and take less damge

[sick sentinel]

i love this dungeon

[timber forge]

Gj

[cloud umbra]

you do more damage in battle stance

[subtle sparrow]

Hyrja on higher keys, you will learn to hate that laser

[timber forge]

Good to know. I played a lot of tank in FFXIV and have a costume to think all the time about aggro by def stance

Ill try Bstance and thinking def stance as cooldown

[tame jasper]

I like the settings and the boss, but 38mins ist soooooooo looooooong

[sick sentinel]

when she casts it, i turn on defensive stance, then i turn it to battlestance, charge her, do a SS, IV, some rotation shit, then i switch to D stance when the balls go out

[tame jasper]

with heimdall and skoval being so boooooring fights

[sick sentinel]

if i have wall and IP i just stay bstance and avoid

[cloud umbra]

that laser does suck @subtle sparrow. Did it on a 23 last night and beam was spicy. Didn't have my normal evoker for that fat time dilation though haha

[subtle sparrow]

Not enough on higher keys

[sick sentinel]

30 minute flat timer is key ruiner for me

ensures nothing at all can go wrong

[cloud umbra]

You can wall + reflect every other one, and demo + reflect the others.. All while swapping to dstance

[subtle sparrow]

I see some healers now refusing to go 20 HoV without DK tank

[sick sentinel]

they are idiots then

[cloud umbra]

thats dumb for sure.. Warriors are fine with it

[sick sentinel]

it wont last, "i hate the FOTM spec, and you should too"

thats what im reading

[cloud umbra]

DK cant even AMS every one of them

[sick sentinel]

what is the cc you need for 5 wolves pack

hunter?

i tried it in that 14, 2 guys got immediately deleted

then we stabilized,

[cloud umbra]

the wolves outside of fenryr?

[subtle sparrow]

I just do 2 + 3

[sick sentinel]

this was a 3 warrior key

[empty inlet]

Don’t do worgs if you can’t bug spot the jump

[tame jasper]

remember

with more than 3 wolves they each get a buff

[sick sentinel]

so it is the leap the kills them?

[tame jasper]

so 4+5 buff on wolves

[sick sentinel]

i assumed that was what it was, was around that time

[cloud umbra]

we still skip the wolves.. we did the pole pull with a large pull and didnt feel good at all

[sick sentinel]

weird, i didnt know about the pack buff after 4

[slow harbor]

how do you do that?

[sick sentinel]

invis effects

prolly

[cloud umbra]

There is a pole the ranged can stand on on the fence

if they are on that pole the melee are on the wolves, they wont leap

aka no damage will go out except on tank

[empty inlet]

Ya what he said

You use all your cd to generate Aggie and just kite them

[slim dove]

you can pull all 5 in a 20 on tyr weeks without issue.

either bug out on pole or have healer just strafe constantly at 30yd.

[sick sentinel]

i dunno why, but on final boss of that 14 hov they wanted me to do left side first for some reason for kings

[forest tulip]

the m+ loot pool does not like me at all

[subtle sparrow]

Raid loot pool doesn't like me. Warrior set pieces never drop

[forest tulip]

tbh i dont think ive gotten any of my set pieces from the raid. its either the vault or the catalyst

[subtle sparrow]

I got hands from normal, two from vault and catalyst. So not even 4 set

[bold turret]

anythoughts on SB in AV? Don't think it's good right?

[empty inlet]

It’s good

[tame jasper]

shield block is always your most important talent

as its reduce your melee damage taken

[empty inlet]

On 2nd boss and ice cutter trash assuming you’re talking about spell block

[subtle sparrow]

I think he means spell block

[amber siren]

Spell block blocks the crystal fury frontal so it's pretty handy

[sick sentinel]

att first when i started df i was skeptical about spell blocking, nowe im all on board

[wanton lance]

about to start diurna prog

when to spell block and should we play cheat?

[bold turret]

Yes talking about spell block xD

[strong forum]

Spell Block is borderline useless in raid

[slim dove]

^

[strong forum]

The only boss it is semi useful is rasza

[wanton lance]

ait

just saw people playing it

and wondered what the tech was

how about cheat? im tanking add grp

should be fine right

[sick sentinel]

my plan is run spell block in keys till i dont need it

figured out all the mechanics

[strong forum]

Cheat is omega useless

Especially as add tank

[sick sentinel]

cheat should be dps and healer only

[forest tulip]

when you all say cheat you mean battle scarred veteran, right?

[strong forum]

Ye

[timber forge]

I know that good players can make bigger stones with less ilvl... but I'm starting it would be cool to start practicing in which using 396~400 ilvl?

[strong forum]

That's enough for 20s

So whatever you feel comfortable in doing

[forest tulip]

pray for me, y'all. we bricked a +13 AA but I just got accepted into a +14

[timber forge]

Cool! Ill play with friends and we gonna push and try while im learning Prot

[red siren]

Hi ! How much dps unstable frostfire belt does pls ?

[strong forum]

400-600

Same as others

[red siren]

@strong forum do u think it's a bis ? or another piece can be better ?

[strong forum]

It's bis if you have fire rings

Otherwise it's w/e

Embellishments aren't that important

The difference between them is practically non-existant

[red siren]

ok i don't have ring so wrist with versatily are bettter i think or another piece with well fed stay after dead can be good also

ty for advice

[jagged pier]

well fed doesnt count as an establishment

[red siren]

ok don't know that

[tame jasper]

And tinkers (engi like CR) also dont count as embellishments - many people tell that but its not true

So you can wear CR-bracers, food and 2 embellishments

[mortal brook]

items or optional reagents will indicate that they are 'Unique-Embellished:2'

[heavy temple]

Do you guys have any specific pwarrs you look at to prep for your progress? I dont think just looking at top damage is the best way to go for that 😄

[strong forum]

The safe play is just copying whatever sense does

Whenever sense does something, you can assume it's correct

[cloud umbra]

I pulled up his talents, hes using bloodborne. Is that recommended now?

[heavy temple]

Thanks for the answer. Although, would you really recommend running ITF on something like kurog M prog?

[mortal brook]

that makes sense yeah

[pine lotus]

Someone said itf is the play when you hit 35% haste, is that true? M+ only

[strong forum]

Yes

[heavy temple]

Also, I may have been doing a few things quite wrong, is bloodsurge not that great at 1/2 targets?

ive run it mostly over instigator

[strong forum]

Around those levels is when you will hardly experience gaps in SB uptime

35% before itf* btw

So around 6k haste

[astral crystal]

kurog is less punishing on healers now so it's a lot safer on tanks during prog

[heavy temple]

with as low as 30% base haste as well?

[strong forum]

For raid it doesn't matter

You always play ITF in raid outside of Diurna boss tank

Cuz a) raid doesn't hit hard enough
b) the chance to have full uptime on 5 stacks of ITF is very high

[heavy temple]

but i still need close to 100% uptime on it during kurog, or? afaik I will be tanking something all the time

[strong forum]

?

No you don't

And even then

You still have 85%+ uptime on SB

You can take a few hits with SB down, shit doesn't 1shot you

It's just 1/2 mobs at best

[heavy temple]

okay, thanks for your answers

much appreciated

[forest tulip]

puzzlebox or dragon games equipment?

[shrewd grove]

Personally? I run Dragon Games. I don't know or care if it's better, but it's WAY more fun

[strong forum]

Dragon games is solid all around

Puzzle box is good for aoe

[stable valve]

Any idea for it to not bug out all the time?

Like 50/50 shot it doesn’t work on something like terros for me

[strong forum]

Hasn't that been fixed for weeks at this point?

It used to be bugged on 6/8 raidbosses

But that was fixed weeks ago

[sick sentinel]

someone here told me it was shit, i described it as being soccer trinket

[strong forum]

It doesn't beat bis trinkets

But if you got nothing else it's solid

[sick sentinel]

transitional trinket basically what you saying

hold over whatever you call those

[surreal thunder]

How does spell block work exactly, for example.. on the last boss in NO I would use it for the conductive spittle to reflect it, and it wouldnt work, and yes I am sure I had spell block up for it.

norm spell reflect would work fine

[lofty widget]

works same way as shield block

but for spells

[thin silo]

It's block, not reflect

[sick sentinel]

you need to put up Shield Block for best results

and it needs to be something casted specifically at you , rather than ring of fire

check the pins for spell block/reflect list

[surreal thunder]

Well i did it for conductive spittle, ability on last boss in NO

[sick sentinel]

you want to reflect that, but i think you can spell block it

conductive is THE reflect this spell this season

[turbid shuttle]

wind burst would like a word

[surreal thunder]

yeah i guess i didnt realize spell block just blocks it and doesnt reflect it lmao

[sick sentinel]

yeah, so it just now means you can block spells, as the talent tool tip states

[surreal thunder]

Still ddid 11mil damage with reflect in a 20 NO 🙂

[mellow harbor]

The question is do you still get the dot spell blocking it?

[sick sentinel]

if you have 20% block unbuffed its still a 20% chance to block

[surreal thunder]

Could of had a lot more reflect damage on lightning boss

[lofty widget]

yes

[surreal thunder]

i believe i still got the dot yes

[high torrent]

What are the suggested gems for elemental lariat

[mellow harbor]

Good to know I always ended sheild walling when I didn't have reflect forgot about spell block

[sick sentinel]

certified fork lift operator, as my team said

[surreal thunder]

haste/vers

[strong forum]

Spellblock is block but on spell

It does nothing fancy

Idk why people assume block = reflect/immune/negate

[surreal thunder]

or can go more vers/haste

[lofty widget]

tbf it works like that when mobs block

[shell mortar]

Well, you can parry spells during spell block

So there's that

[sick sentinel]

whatever the block amount and the way it interacts with melees, same block amount far as i can tell

[strong forum]

No you can't

[high torrent]

You mean the one with more vers and less haste?

[surreal thunder]

for me its the icon lmao

[shell mortar]

Ye you can

[surreal thunder]

yeah, can always just sim it though

[sick sentinel]

it just takes the single target spell and blocks it for reduced dmg

[shell mortar]

That's the bug with it

[sick sentinel]

thats how it works

[shell mortar]

Has been since day 1

[sick sentinel]

works with crit block

[strong forum]

Spell Block doesn't make it so you can parry spells you couldn't parry before, I've never heard about it

The bug is that it doesn't have a cap

Not that you can parry

[nova spoke]

has there been a surge of bad ppl playing warrior with the whole, been a wildly overtuned tank thing?

[shell mortar]

It's a bug since day 1, sometimes you just parry spells, taking 0 dam

[strong forum]

Spell Block isn't subject to the 85% DR cap. So if you have 50% block mitigation, a critblock does 100%

[sick sentinel]

meh? they come and go

[strong forum]

It's NOT

Parry

It's just you critblocking.

[shell mortar]

I c I c

I'm gonna stick with parry

[strong forum]

?

[shell mortar]

Sounds cooler

[sick sentinel]

you have already lost this battle son

[sick sentinel]

It's not a parry ffs

[strong forum]

Nop, ever since alpha alot of bad people play pwar

[slim dove]

why spread misinformation.

[empty inlet]

Cept how much of those was on squell

[sick sentinel]

Parries are parries, Blocks are blocks

turn back while there is still time and cease this foolish argument

[strong forum]

If anything, more people are rolling away from prot

With the more and more buffs to other tanks

[sick sentinel]

or make fun of him for being a dipshit

[surreal thunder]

i only had like 2mil damage with reflect on squall, cause i was still under the assumption that spell block=reflecting spells lmao

[shell mortar]

Why you so mad, is just a game

[sick sentinel]

assuming I get mad at retards

[strong forum]

Ayo chill

[odd plume]

Anybody know if it’s possible to reflect 2 wind bursts in one SR window? I had almost 5mill reflect dmg on 2nd boss NO 21 while attempting to reflect 2 in one SR use

[shell mortar]

Sheesh, can't even meme without people losing their shit

Imagine

[oak echo]

tbf if you're gonna throw around slurs it shows you're the mad one

[sick sentinel]

the rule here is gentlemans rules

[lofty widget]

SR goes away after you reflect 1 spell so no

[sick sentinel]

no hits below the belt or unfair plane hits

[sick sentinel]

you right, he can't parry those

or block em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyyZD1tlwnc this is what im referencing

and this is a good testament

[shell mortar]

So, how far can I go without getting banned @strong forum ?

[sick sentinel]

to how stupid ppl can really be

[odd plume]

Ahh didn’t know that thanks

[sick sentinel]

shraeder is like, gus from asmongold raids, but evil

dies alot, then complains angrily

really dumb

[mellow harbor]

@odd plume if you still see the spell icon after the reflect your looking at the 20% flat DR, the reflect has already been consumed after one spell. But you can reflect multiple spells if they were cast at the same time

[strong forum]

just drop it

no point

[shell mortar]

Fair

So I lived a 24 tyran totj 3rd boss without double wall due to memory issues, can I get an award?

[strong forum]

i dont recommend anybody to play double wall anywhere

so gj

[lofty widget]

reroll nelf

smeld is

op

[sick sentinel]

that doe snt make it any less lame

[shell mortar]

It was spicy tbf, DPS died and almost didn't phase before 6th tank buster

[cloud umbra]

Double wall is defnitely nice on the 3rd boss of temple

[strong forum]

is it tho?

you only need 2 SWs

[shell mortar]

You get same amount of uses of wall with or without double wall

[high torrent]

also the Str Haste Illimited gem right?

[strong forum]

SW -> Spellblock -> Spellblock- > LS or SW -> LS or SW

[shell mortar]

It's just 4th buster can be a bit spicy

[strong forum]

and you always cover 5 solo

[shell mortar]

As LS alone is a bit lame

[strong forum]

well its not alone

So you could do SW + SR + IV > spell block + Demo > spell block + SR + IV > whatever is ready + health pot > SR + IV + Demo

[shell mortar]

You pair it with external or cookies/pot

[strong forum]

if you do it like that

you always have 2 things going on

[shell mortar]

But it's still spicy

[strong forum]

obv its spicy

[cloud umbra]

i dont like the "whatever is ready" part

[sick sentinel]

yes, but also no

[shell mortar]

Healer has dry periods too

[strong forum]

? its just, if you used LS, you dont use SW

[sick sentinel]

more hit points always generally a good thing, even if temporary

[lofty widget]

should have SW up for the 4th

[shell mortar]

Just yes

[cloud umbra]

4th is 45 seconds away from the first and you spend a lot of time running away from the boss

[shell mortar]

Not in the scenario of you taking massive ticking damage and a heal.absorb where your amount of hit points doesn't.change anything

[strong forum]

yeah so just use LS there

and SW on the 5th

thats why the "whatever is ready"

[sick sentinel]

2000 armor R N G proc on a weapon enchant purple enchant rank 3 when u have already 18k armor , is also , very lame

[strong forum]

if youre a gamer youll have SW for 4th ready

[cloud umbra]

HARD gamer

[shell mortar]

Nah bro

I had slam proca of my lifetime

Still no wall for 4th

[cloud umbra]

ive tried my hardest to get it back for the 4th

[shell mortar]

I just asked for bark on 3rd and held SR and cookies/pot for 4th + LS

[sick sentinel]

its not the effect really, it's the amount of armor it provides, its way too small to be useful

[shell mortar]

And 5th had wall + IV

And.healer had convoke

[empty inlet]

imaigne thinking you will live with just shield wall in pugs...

[surreal thunder]

yeah primary stat/haste the green one

[high torrent]

lovely ty

[shell mortar]

Not talking about pugs here

[sick sentinel]

is TJS rough this week

[cloud umbra]

With my evoker healer i can deal without double wall.. i just use dilate on the 4th as well

[shell mortar]

Well it's tyrannical so yes

[sick sentinel]

i've shy'd away from it

[shell mortar]

Last boss going 5:20 kill timer

On a 23, not even 24

[lofty widget]

sounds like terrible dps

[cloud umbra]

ya 5:20 is long

[shell mortar]

Have you done last boss in totj higher ish keys?

[lofty widget]

oh last boss

[shell mortar]

But yes, our DPS was not what you'd call good

[lofty widget]

had a 3:30 kill on 22

[shell mortar]

Fort or tyran?

[lofty widget]

yesterday

[cloud umbra]

ya thats about average for us as well

[shell mortar]

Big pump

[light halo]

Is burgeoning seed worth using?

[strong forum]

not rly

[shell mortar]

For us, ads is big issue, destro lock BM.hunter is just so bad there

Infernal for one wave and then zdps

[cloud umbra]

ya we are in and out of the add phases, 2 aoes stuns and a few secs and they are all ded

[shell mortar]

Yep, lock makes the main phase piss but it's so bad at dealing with ads

And BM hunter has no CDs so YEP

Rogue's the only one doing dam on them

[lofty widget]

we play unholy+surv, havent felt adds as an issue

[shell mortar]

Surv???????

[cloud umbra]

ww monk touch of death feels good for us haha

[shell mortar]

Sorry even I don't meme that much

[lofty widget]

we're all 1 tricks

[shell mortar]

Aha

[cloud umbra]

i did a nok with a surv that was absolutely pumping

[lofty widget]

he usually tops dps tho

the surv

[shell mortar]

Maybe I need to have a word with my onetrick BM hunter

[sick sentinel]

confrim monks still good dps

top dps in some group i had recently today

[shell mortar]

Monks are alright

[sick sentinel]

probably the av 13 i ran just now

[shell mortar]

Not top but just under

[sick sentinel]

he did i want to say 50k overal

[shell mortar]

Hunters gonna absolutely shit on meters next week I'd imagine after 5% aura buff

[cloud umbra]

hunters with the bow

[shell mortar]

Yeah ours has

97k in 23 AV so +5% is what 101k ish

[cloud umbra]

surprising that bow is an upgrade even at a normal level than a 418 embellished bow

[sick sentinel]

well this is a 13

[shell mortar]

• vault + catalyst his 421 chest from HC tier

[sick sentinel]

and they are some lvl of premade

[shell mortar]

Dude's gonna go ham

[sick sentinel]

"we are in voice"

whoever that means but sure

[mellow harbor]

Has anyone looted any sparks? I have yet to get one

[gilded ore]

you guys think any of the crafted trinkets are worth it?

[gilded ore]

ye I JUST got one from +22 cos

1st one tho after countless keys

[mellow harbor]

rigged

[astral crystal]

i got one from a 21 sbg

i doubt key level has anything to do with it

what people are doing now is rare farming

idk if it's all of them, but there are a bunch of rares on a 30 minute rotation

three friends of mine got sparks from doing that for a few hours

one each, to be specific

[mellow harbor]

Back to brackkenhide I guess

[astral crystal]

there's a WA that tells you the timers

https://wago.io/zs_TxqV0H

[sick sentinel]

will we take any of the berserk stuff for that?

[mellow canopy]

hi guys i got a question about crystalline rupture the aoe circle thing that the crystal thrashers do in AV - is it reflectable? can you eat that damage and if so, how? spell block the first, what about the second?

[sick sentinel]

theres self and party

[slim dove]

the golems? its not reflectable. Just walk out of it.

[mellow canopy]

alright thanks

[karmic plinth]

is there a way we can sim less than 5 into the fray stacks?

[mellow canopy]

i don't like walking out of it tho it messes with the front from the other guys i'm just gonna press CDs for it i guess

[amber siren]

You can ask Nom, he's a wizard for that stuff

[undone verge]

probably somewhere in the raw input string

[frank saddle]

how is it gonna mess with the frontals? you just backstep out so they point the same way. If people walk the same direction as you thats on them

[long bone]

I would love some advice on what to use my Concentrated Primal Focus on? I still have a spark, so Im open to crafting something
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/nóztra

[oak echo]

Yeah do not stand in the circle

It's big hurt on fort

[undone verge]

lariat could be a good option, not really anything you need to craft. But also maybe some pants, but id do lariat

[long bone]

I was thinking to craft the Molten Shield but thats only a 7 ilvl upgrade from my current shield

Ive heard that Shield >>>>>>>>>>>> Anything else

[cinder nova]

At what point does Sophic eclipse Frozen in ST?

Because all my sims show FD3 is about 1% ahead of SD3.

[sick sentinel]

mdi in 12 days

[cinder nova]

I mean, yeah. Shield upgrades are very intimately tied to our mitigation.

Blocking stuff is pretty yooj

[sick sentinel]

same but weapon

[long bone]

What?

[sick sentinel]

same but also weapon too

[heavy coral]

https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Ragaryn advice for stats/gear upgrades trying push higher keys.

any MDT routes?

[cinder nova]

Get more ilvl.

Focus haste/crit=vers/mast

[sick sentinel]

go run sbg 15, free key

[cinder nova]

Try not to die. There's no breakpoints or stat minimums you need to reach to be viable. It's all play that decides your feast or famine.

[sick sentinel]

font have to do anything

[heavy coral]

no 30% haste cap?

[storm merlin]

The dr from going above 30% is quite small

[heavy coral]

ok

ty for the info

Wowhead a good site to get an understanding of cd usuage for boss-tyran and mobs-fort weeks?

[wet dust]

You just gotta play the dungeons to get a feel for that man. It’s good to be practiced but you’re better off researching routes and pulls.

[nova spoke]

so far ive found that apart from 3rd in jade you can get away with learning on the fly

just jump in

[cinder nova]

You start seeing diminishing returns on haste when you're at 30% from rating, and most people aren't going to see that.

[bold turret]

@heavy coral raiderIO had “weekly routes” section which are generally pretty good for pugs. But you can press W in most dungeons without issue.

[covert aurora]

why not / when would you take spell block? I'm new to warrior, trying to understand why its not recomended?

[cinder nova]

Because most of the time you can just press defensives and survive.

[heavy coral]

ive just stumbled upon that ty pettyB

[cinder nova]

You're giving up damage to take it.

Oversurviving is useless and doesn't contribute to your groups in any practical way.

[heavy coral]

hmm ok

ive tanken SB thinking it would be a better for spell defense

[cinder nova]

You take it when you're up against big magic slaps that come very frequently and are blockable.

[bold turret]

It’s situational, a lot of dungeons you don’t get much benefit from it

[cinder nova]

RLP 1st boss, Jade 3rd boss, I'm sure there's one or two others.

[cloud umbra]

i only take it on RLP and temple myself

[cinder nova]

And even then, you don't need it on low keys.

Only at high keys.

[bold turret]

An example would be last trash pack of TJS

[cinder nova]

Idk you can survive that without spell block most of the time imo.

Except like over 20 fort

[bold turret]

Not on high keys

[sick sentinel]

i'd rather just run spell block for now

[bold turret]

Yeah ofc but you can survive first boss RLP without it on tyran if it’s not a high key

[cloud umbra]

healer will have to put in work

on a higher key

[daring marlin]

Rather the healer do more damage.

[bold turret]

Yeah I take SB in RLP was just making a point that key level is relative

You’re never taking SB in a “low” key (whatever that is to you)

[pulsar light]

Did Avatar spell id change? My weakaura isn't working since patch

[sick sentinel]

well, for me, i default to spell block at the moment, and heavy rep

[pulsar light]

107574 isn't working for spell id

[bold turret]

Nothing wrong with playing it and learning when you feel you can drop it 🙂

[cloud umbra]

401150

[sick sentinel]

i just think, for now, its stupidly handy

[bold turret]

Better to have it and not die

[sick sentinel]

usually SOME trash that it can be used against

[cloud umbra]

i think thats the old one like old old back in the day

[sick sentinel]

oh, i killed one of our guys in AV 13 today, i turned the balls boss and the boss cleaved him

[heavy coral]

lol

[bold turret]

Nice that’ll teach him

[cinder nova]

idk I think leaning heavily on SpB is gonna get you killed more than it will save you because it's crutching you into bad habits early.

As opposed to learning without it and learning when to properly spec into and use it.

Practice makes perfect unless your practice is wrong.

[bold turret]

That depends if you’re sending on every opportunity or using it in anticipation of a big spell hit?

[cinder nova]

People who hardspec full defense builds regardless of content probably aren't using their CDs judiciously

Or even proactively tbh

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4Rtz6mjkXJ2nNFYg/#fight=last yogi log, 14 HOV, 3 warriors edition

[bold turret]

I think we are talking about pushing rating though, in that case I’d say it’s better being cautious. You dying will likely cause more time loss than the dps gain of having more aggro talents. That being said you should be minmaxing your damage when your comfortable

[sick sentinel]

i still have to figure out every little tiny thing thats happening it a dungeon

[blazing condor]

same issues as last one

[solemn current]

You don’t need it, but you’re already taking it for jade boss so you might as well utilize it so you can plant your feet, be safe, and let your dps not chase mobs around while you’re trying to kite because you ran out of defensives and reflect is down.

[blazing condor]

you had better block% than last log i responded to at least

[solemn current]

Personally I use it in AV on no frog route as well to help with piercing shard

[covert aurora]

ya, im just coming from other tanks too, bear, dh. Warrior almost only one thats like, ya, there's a spell that will save your life sometimes, but, we do't really need it to survive, so, lets do more dps 🙂

DH is more like, I"m out dpsing the dps, where do I get more survivability, and bear is like, wait, we can tank more than an 11? REally?

(well, the pugs not taking the bears be like that ....)

[cinder nova]

Being cautious to the point of leaving damage on the table is objectively bad.

Overreliance on turtle builds when learning is going to fuck you later and you're gonna have to reprogram.

[sick sentinel]

well this log i picked is a random one

highest key i had done very recently

[cinder nova]

That's what we're on about right now. Speccing into SpB as a default then trying to learn when to spec OUT is going to be much worse for you as a player than the inverse.

I'm always a very strong advocate for learning how to spec IN to things so you can understand what you can get away with before needing to adjust, otherwise you're basically learning how to play 'wrong' per se by virtue of just not cranking when you should be versus defending.

It's like telling someone to sit Def stance and learn when to Battle stance instead of the other way around.

That's gonna create such an overreliance on the Def stance DR

[covert aurora]

ya S, that was a big "wut" for me, not staying in D stance. Again, bear never thinks about tanking in Kitty 🙂 and we mash that moonfire to make sure we got even a 10% DR, go to warrior and they like, ya, we don't bother with the 15% DR reduction most of the time

like def stance as a cooldown was new to me

[solemn current]

D stance ain’t like bear form though

[cinder nova]

Bear form is HP, and a shitload of armor.

[solemn current]

Bear form might as well be compared to our shields

[crude elm]

hey guys, a quick question: is it required to always have set bonus buff up (like shield block/IP for example) or should I just do normal rotation and get the buff sometimes? mostly talking about m+

[covert aurora]

372 warrior had same armor as 390 bear WHEN bear was pushing a stack of IF. 😦 Bear bot more HP, not armor

[cinder nova]

It's not required and hyperfocus on it can rage starve you, but obviously keep it up as much as you can without gassing out on rage.

You're playing mostly the same while thinking deliberately about good opportunities to press Revenge to maintain it. During big cleave pulls in M+ you can pretty safely just slap the shit out of it since you're flipping between Rev > TC anyway

But the IP you get is huge for survival.

At least in AOE.

[warm plinth]

You don't change your rotation to account for tier. Your normal rotation will give you enough uptime that it's not a concern.

[cinder nova]

You can optimize it.

But again, it's minor gains in ST. So only if you like sweating.

[tame coral]

does the fenryr intervene his fixate still work?

[crude elm]

thanks! it's been pretty hard for me to survive and trying to keep up the buff
mostly it feels like shield slam and tc is just so often off cooldown that I don't have much time to use revenge

[warm plinth]

Yes, just make sure the person isn't being dumb and moving away from you. It's only a 10 yard range

[cinder nova]

That's gonna stay the case.

[tame coral]

does it cover the whole duration?

[cinder nova]

Your actual priority isn't changing, but you'll notice a few windows where you can easily get away with pressing Revenge instead of TC to get buff.

[warm plinth]

Yes

[forest tulip]

Everyone says we don't take damage but man, im bad. I've managed a +13 AA. And it wasn't horrible but I do get low at times and die with a 394 ilvl

[quiet monolith]

Tyrannical peck is scary

Outside of that you shouldn't get hurt much

[daring marlin]

What kills you? Only stuff that even sorta hurts are axe bleeds and crawth peck/bleed.

[forest tulip]

Uh well I guess the scariest is the lashers from the tree boss. Everything else isn't bad.

I try to get aggro and keep them all in front of me but it feels like it can go south and fast.

[cinder nova]

Poison dispel.

[forest tulip]

Should I use it right at the start of the pull or give it a sec to let it stack?

[cinder nova]

Are you a dwarf?

[forest tulip]

Z troll

[cinder nova]

Does Zandalari have a racial dispel?

[warm plinth]

No

[forest tulip]

Does bitter immunity not get rid of it?

[cinder nova]

It does, you shouldn't need it though.

One Bitter isn't gonna keep you alive through multiple add rotations.

You need someone to scrape it off you.

[warm plinth]

Kinda trolling to not run with a poison dispel in that dungeon

[cinder nova]

Yeah.

Bitter is a 3 min. CD it's only really good for high-end Tyr AA to help offload healing pressure in case bleeds are heavy on the party.

[warm plinth]

If you're dwarf and you absolutely can't get a poison dispel, then dwarf + bitter immunity should be enough dispels to get you through it

[mighty valley]

If you legit can't recruit a poison dispel, you'll just need to rotate aoe CC, and if they're still not dead, walk away for a sec

[warm plinth]

The two meta healers can both dispel poisons so it shouldn't be too hard

[forest tulip]

I guess I'm stressed because I'm trying to be responsible for the entire group.

[mighty valley]

tragically, in a multiplayer game, other people have responsibilities too

[forest tulip]

Trying to get aggro as quickly as possible so the dps don't die

Yeah. But as the tank i feel like I have the most responsibility

It's easy with challenging shout and not too bad with thunderous roar but I guess I panic

[mighty valley]

You can also bring a shocking disclosure potion for one of the add spawns, probably the one where you don't have CDs up

but the other part of the equation is the group stacking well so they spawn together

[forest tulip]

Yeah. I should look into potions. I never use them.

[mighty valley]

the basic one is just using a potion of power for every bloodlust

there aren't very many important invisibility skips this expansion

[cinder nova]

Yet

[mighty valley]

I guess I should say "this season"

[cinder nova]

S2 rotation might have a bunch. Lot more spacious dungeons with potentially dogwater trash

[mighty valley]

Get ready for uhhhhhh LBRS M+

[forest tulip]

Or halls of infusion with trying to get across that stupid bridge.

[feral dune]

should i do shield or lariat to 418 next?

[daring marlin]

I find it bizarre when people suggest AoE CC and kiting as a potential alternative to a cleanse. Not bringing a poison dispel to AA is straight trolling.

[feral dune]

💯

[daring marlin]

I'd do shield if yours is garbanzo.

[feral dune]

405

neck n shield both 405

[daring marlin]

If both crafted I'd do shield for sure.

[feral dune]

bet

[sick sentinel]

ohhhh i read something about valor uncapped soon

[daring marlin]

14th

gonna be yuge for my pally and dk

[sick sentinel]

yeah, thats good, i'll valor the hell out of the rest of my gear

[orchid frigate]

would you say hyrja cheesing is mandatory this week?

[turbid shuttle]

maybe in like 24+. i killed it on 20 without cheese it was fine.

[orchid frigate]

im having a hard time killing it on 18

healer usually folds

[turbid shuttle]

you're dying to eye of the storm?

[orchid frigate]

yeah

[turbid shuttle]

dunno. healer needs to press their buttons. dps need to use defensives

I usually rally 2nd one, since healer CDs will always go in to 1st.

are you pugging or in a coordinated group?

[orchid frigate]

pugging

[dire matrix]

theres a video of a 26 without cheese i believe

[turbid shuttle]

luck of the draw then. all you can really do is rally once at an opportune time.

[dire matrix]

i have not seen it but it was mentioned to me

in passing

so i cannot say its 100% true

[slim dove]

26 is def in the realm of giga stacked group.

feral/enhance/dh kinda shit

[granite radish]

Hi, is there a spec especially for diurna ? 🙂

[bold olive]

I had to use d stance a lot more than I'd have liked, but normal single target raid spec was fine for me. Also asking for externals once/twice a fight, maybe. Edit: for tanking Diurna.

[slim dove]

usual raid build but take HR over ITF.

[granite radish]

Can you circle those talents? i don't play war at all, i'm the RL trying to find answers ^^

[slim dove]

nah im not ingame

HR = heavy repercussions, ITF = into the fray.

[tame coral]

how do you desync orbs for Vexamus

it's the 2nd set of orbs for 1, but you get another overload eventually later on

[small warren]

hey guys here again with another question lol is the crafted shield good ? or is it worth crafting to replace a 415ilvl eranog shield?

[wooden widget]

Which are we supposed to spell reflect on last boss NO? Conducive or thundering?

[slim dove]

conductive.

[wooden widget]

Ty

[small warren]

conductive, it puts the dot on the boss 🙂 pretty heavy dmg

[lime urchin]

You let through one ball

[small warren]

hey guys here again with another question lol is the crafted shield good ? or is it worth crafting to replace a 415ilvl eranog shield?

[hardy snow]

418 > 415

math tells you the truth

[frigid vault]

What else are you going to craft? The only limit is the sparks.

[small warren]

well I have one spark that I can use for the shield

I just wanted to make sure that it was good and worth to use as a craft

or if I should prio some other slot

I have my lariat/belt and random boots right now lol (I needed ilvl fast )

[robust lark]

If I had a 415 shield already but a bad weapon I'd make a weapon first

[frigid vault]

If you have your embellishments just do whatever is the lowest item level.

[small warren]

I have the earthshaper and I am going valor my strike twice once the cap is lifted

[limber python]

whats the website that tells u how to imrpove ur rotation

from parses

[hardy snow]

it was wowanalyzer, but its not maintained

so its not good to use it

[arctic marten]

How much of a damage loss is using Defensive Stance?

[sick sentinel]

is that the one that told me to put a shield spike on my shield

back in SL after a de other side

[warm plinth]

~14%

[arctic marten]

Thank you

[silver vessel]

do you guys juggle between stances in M+?

[urban portal]

not really a juggle

pretend its another defensive

[silver vessel]

oh you stay in battle stance unless you need a defensive?

[urban portal]

yea

[silver vessel]

interesting, i just stay in defensive stance the whole time, but most of the time im not in danger

i should try to optimize that

[dusky canopy]

yo gamers

is there a way to look at tier gear ingame

like from the raid loot table or something

used to be able to do that in SL but i dont see that "Power" tab anymore in the adventure guide menu

[tacit solstice]

Yeah not sure. I just look it up on wowhead

[oblique quarry]

I’m curious if blood dk buffs will reduce the warrior population haha

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure the only reason you could in SL is because you actually looted the piece, not a token

[heavy temple]

It's very minor

[dusky canopy]

think they were saying 6% overall increase

[cloud umbra]

isnt it like a 4-5% overall damage increase

pretty small

[sick sentinel]

where do you see blood buffs

oh

[urban portal]

5% is a lot

[harsh light]

Where do you go to look for push groups? Guys i run with are inconsistent, and i pugg'd my 23 down to a 15, back to a 20 then down to a 17 again

[sick sentinel]

deatstrike does go brrr healing, but bdk has very long CD's last i checked

[craggy pilot]

sounds like pugs this week bro

[oak echo]

I've been using this disc since early SL. It's where I found my current group

https://discord.gg/mythicplusfriends

[sick sentinel]

same issues in a 13 key as in a 23

someone stands in shit, someone doesn't clear, someone doesn't kick

just numbers are bigger and scarier

[craggy pilot]

Tyr + quaking is really unforgiving on bosses

[harsh light]

Ty boss

[sick sentinel]

yes, quaking thundering party vacuum bosses tyranical is trolling

[deft mortar]

kekw

[sick sentinel]

even the fucking robot, says, git gud

[deft mortar]

xd

Our AI overlords are pathetic casuals it seems

[sick sentinel]

i mean it's not WRONG

it's slightly confused and misinformed what we do as tanks...

[deft mortar]

xd

[covert aurora]

what ai is that ?

[covert aurora]

Yogi, so are many of the tanks 🙂

[round pendant]

no you should definitely focus on maximising your dps as a tank

[fallen pulsar]

No no no, we need to minimize our dps, we should all strive to hit the legendary 1dps

Think about it, if blizz wanted tanks to dps we would be called DPS-tanks, it’s like expecting a healer to do anything other than healing

(Sarcasm, just in case)

[tepid raptor]

[Jeweled Signet of Melandrus] bis?

[slim dove]

yes

[deft mortar]

I play nokhud so many times this week

I can play the dung in my fkn head

HoV too

tbf every dung

Except RLP not so much

[tepid raptor]

Why HoV?

[deft mortar]

Too many runs this week too

• Legion memory reinforces it

[sick sentinel]

if you build the circus, the clowns will come

[sleek current]

How do people feel about Bloodborne at +20? Think it makes a big difference damage wise? Enough to justify losing other defensive talents, like Thunderlord or Booming Voice?

I haven't had a play with it yet but, it sounds like a good talent, I just see no one running it.

[pallid quiver]

No

It's straight out not worth points in comparison to tough as nails

And Booming voice is an offensive talent mostly

That enables more than a point in Bloodborne ever would give

[strong forum]

BB is roughly 1.5% dps per talent point.

Literally whack

[sleek current]

So does the 3.5 second reduction on Demo shout out perform that?

[pallid quiver]

If you're passing on Thunderlord, the point is better spent on like, Battering Ram instead

[sleek current]

Ah, yeah. I see.

[pallid quiver]

The reduction on demo is also reduced on bosses, as well, to note

[strong forum]

TL is quite bad for dmg output, so if you wanna go for dmg battering ram will be your best option

[sick sentinel]

even in keys with high pull counts TL is bad?

[sleek current]

Thanks for the info gents.
I think I'll drop TL and take Battering Ram, I'm not struggling defensively right now so want to squeeze out more damage.

[turbid shuttle]

TL caps at 3. pull count is irrelevent

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

weird, the one place you'd think it'd have niche or choice pick

[strong forum]

It caps at 3 targets, as the tooltip says

[north berry]

Can someone help with an AA related question? Keep getting destroyed by savage peck on m20+ level. Have 411 ilvl. I know logs would be usefull but dont have them atm. Is there any strategie to savage pecks+ 10s bleed? Since i can shield wall ×2 a few, but they keep coming... ^^

[strong forum]

Need to coordinate with your healer

[slim dove]

and also pray for good dps.

[strong forum]

Rotate CDs, not much we can do there

[slim dove]

similar to 3rd boss tjs, you will run out of steam eventually.

[sleek current]

We had a DPS go down in Temple, I had to take 6 or 7 Jade Strikes. It was rough.

[pallid quiver]

apply a little bit of cheat engine

Birb hurty

Really talk with your group before TJS and AA

[sleek current]

Also, if you're not.... Use Impending Victory on CD if it's going to do the full heal.

[warm plinth]

I'll use your impending victory

gottem

[sleek current]

😮

[sterile bough]

do u guys know if thers updated versiou of this WA?

[sleek current]

Never seen it. I use Genshii's, much prefer the compact design.

[warm plinth]

Marok's

[sleek current]

If you want to give that a look instead

https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker

[ruby viper]

Should be Ignore Pain always aktiv?

[warm plinth]

Not always but it'll naturally be up a lot

[ruby viper]

Maybe Hekili works great

[warm plinth]

Doubtful; it rarely does

[sterile bough]

no

[warm plinth]

I could see it working okay for slower specs that don't have many procs or shit like that. But not for the 2nd highest APM in the game

[urban portal]

prot warrior is the worst tank for hekili

[urban portal]

outlaw is really good with hekili

hekili doesnt like randomness in resource generation or ranged target acquisions

those are most of the problems

[sterile bough]

and dont try to think u need to have it active, u only use it to spend extra rage

[ruby viper]

Ive played my monk with hekili and without, the logs with hekili are much worser

[warm plinth]

😬

[urban portal]

i possibly understand hekili more than anyone on this discord

except for the man himself

[warm plinth]

I've never used it myself. It's basically just an addon that tells you what to press next, right?

[urban portal]

yeah based on APL

[ruby viper]

I like hekili very much, but does it really work with mythic+ 20 or higher?

[urban portal]

so hypothetically it would be optimal in perfect ST

but since the APL isnt designed for a dynamic situation like M+, neither is hekili

and thats not the fault of hekili

[warm plinth]

So then I imagine the reason that it's "good" with outlaw is that the rotation doesn't actually change in AoE other than blade flurry being kept up

[sick sentinel]

io slowly going up, 2020 now

[warm plinth]

Congrats

KSM gang

What even is the KSM mount lol; I just realized I didn't even look at it when I got it