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hybrid aurora
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you do one egg

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and 2 dps each need to do an egg

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tell your group you will do the closest one each time and tank her on that egg

oblique quarry
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I see, 3 people need to grab the laser - idk why i thought the laser could cut 2 eggs on herioc. thank you

hybrid aurora
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there will be 2 eggs with timers, they have to be destroyed, and then there is one bonus egg on heroic that will be glowing

oblique quarry
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the map i found looks like this - we d the bonus egg on the three packs i assume?

hybrid aurora
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you can get 3 each time

dusky canopy
modest gulch
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The route is so set in stone now I just put markers on the exact eggs I'm going to break in the 3-packs. So dps know when they have to be on it.

oblique quarry
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oh that's a great idea - thank you

hybrid aurora
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there will always be 3 eggs available to break, 2 required. They will always be the 3 eggs closest to her.

shut cradle
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I dont get why they break 3 eggs on 4 instead of 6

dusky canopy
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You can do 6

hybrid aurora
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we just broke 3 each time when i was doing it

dusky canopy
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We did last night in 10man

hybrid aurora
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room was cleared super fast lol

shut cradle
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We swapped to 6 from 4 so people had CDs again

dusky canopy
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Yes but like healers are sweating if you always do 3

hybrid aurora
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everyones so geared now, healers need something to do

dusky canopy
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Fair enough

hybrid aurora
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if you time it out though and dont break all of them at the same exact time, you should be okay

oblique quarry
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our healers are not quite there so we will probably alternate

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I appreciate the help

last nova
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recrafted my vers into crit, feels good

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24% parry

oblique quarry
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ive been getting more crit and less verse lately too

last nova
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i'm 411 and I feel big enough to not need verse anymore

dusky canopy
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Crit/haste gang

last nova
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and also i can OS arms now too

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without being a gimp

uneven mason
last nova
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maybe in the lower levels on the climb to 400+ verse was good, i think.

dusky canopy
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Vers was pretty cool when you could corruption it up to stupid %s lol

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You do not need it now

last nova
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yes it's true, i don't need it anymore.

uneven mason
dusky canopy
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I agree totally

last nova
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standing 500k HP unbuffed

modest gulch
hybrid aurora
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I still run a decent amount of vers

uneven mason
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I mean if it's what you're ilvl gets you

hybrid aurora
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3415 vs currently

dusky canopy
last nova
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but i don't even use the enduring acelartiy talent

oak heart
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anyone have any tips for the dathea platform adds without any dks?

true thicket
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is a primal ritualshell still worth using on a fresh alt with the absorb procc?

hybrid aurora
last nova
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that brings me to 513k unbuffed

karmic plinth
last nova
dusky canopy
hybrid aurora
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beat you to it Illy

karmic plinth
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you did

last nova
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disrupting shout is king

oak heart
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how big is the range compared to the adds? will it hit them all or just 4/6?

last nova
modest gulch
hybrid aurora
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should hit em all if you position correctly

dusky canopy
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4 + big one

last nova
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i DS the side with most adds

karmic plinth
hybrid aurora
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if you miss one, someone just need to get a kick on it

dusky canopy
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Then kite to the other ones

last nova
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4+big yeah

true thicket
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@karmic plinth thank you, thats what i was wondering

karmic plinth
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the absorb proc is a little overkill

oak heart
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fire proc is good

true thicket
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my warr is only 385 ilvl ish

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only got ass trinkets atm xD

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just gotten this 382 ritualshell

oak heart
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i was running shell and the blazing trinket for a while lol

karmic plinth
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382 fire proc is gonna do well for a while

hybrid aurora
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pwar gonna get nerfed to the ground in s2?

dusky canopy
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You pretty much will run that until you get like rumbling ruby

dusky canopy
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-bear

hybrid aurora
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lol

oak heart
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doesnt prot do a lot more damage than other tanks?

dusky canopy
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Bring up bear leave the rest alone

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No way

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Brew slaps harder

vast goblet
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DH rips too

karmic plinth
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our damage is very middle of the road

hybrid aurora
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Their justification for the last nerf - "prot warrior is dominating player population"

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so, if there are too many people playing it, they nerf it?

dusky canopy
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Yeah because it’s easier to get into than freaking piano playing a monk

urban portal
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there is such thing as being too popular

modest gulch
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Makes sense that would make fewer people play it

urban portal
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sometimes you slap a placebo nerf to make people play something else

dusky canopy
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Maybe get rid of button bloat and player population will spread out to other tanks lol

hybrid aurora
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there are cases to be made for playing ppally and bdk

modest gulch
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I enjoyed Blood DK last season, I see a lot of paladins in the key completion feeds

hybrid aurora
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you guys know when your brez is the first to die in a key? not really an issue if you play those two tanks

dusky canopy
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Paladin is really solid right now too

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Player perception gap

hybrid aurora
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unless you play bear, then your brez is still the first to die

modest gulch
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Gotta run brez bracers for maximum carry

hybrid aurora
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ugh brez bracers ona tank

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cringe

dusky canopy
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Like literally go watch zmok do a +20 ruby without a healer, tbf they ran off healing classes but still

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Paladin is just fine

fierce field
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I'm last in the line for brez

modest gulch
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lol I use them in raid too! 😅

hybrid aurora
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tbh pal has a very nice toolkit and offhealing capabilities

dusky canopy
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Totally

hybrid aurora
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if brackenhide is in the rotation s2 as well, ppal will shine there

dusky canopy
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DH is solid too pumps big dam and has a massive silence utility

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Cheat death etc

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YouTube causes these problems

hybrid aurora
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yeah, i feel like dh just falls off in high keys though

urban portal
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tanks are def very lcose with each other now

dusky canopy
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Not class design

modest gulch
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Any idea how many more weeks we have in season 1?

urban portal
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outside of guardian which is a bit week

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weak

dusky canopy
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With the exception of bear currently

hybrid aurora
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they should reverse the frailty nerf on dh

oak heart
oblique quarry
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dh got over nerfed on both specs mo

dusky canopy
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Agreed

hybrid aurora
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well yeah, veng suffered due to the havoc nerfs as well

modest gulch
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Oh ok damn, I'm almost 2400 guess there is no rush

hybrid aurora
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magic dam mitigation is king this xpac for tanks

woeful trellis
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Hey - BigWigs - it opens nothing in DF Dungeons i wanted to give some abilitys other sounds?! 😦 anyone knows why? Is it not ingame atm?

hybrid aurora
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and spell reflect is busted 😛

hybrid aurora
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is the dungeon version

woeful trellis
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u do your options in Bigwigs - little wigs just grab infos and put it into it or not?

dusky canopy
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You can grab both addons and then forget about it

woeful trellis
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i have both

dusky canopy
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Unless you need specific customization

hybrid aurora
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you do /bigwigs for options and there is a dungeon bosses tab

woeful trellis
hybrid aurora
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there is also a real nice WA package for s1 df dungeons, I would grab that too

woeful trellis
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i already have it

hybrid aurora
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you dont see this?

woeful trellis
hybrid aurora
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that is the opposite of wunderbar

woeful trellis
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😄 gj

hybrid aurora
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yeah, same version as me too

woeful trellis
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the struggle again... i cant explain my friends things in english client - cause they dont find it then....and now it holds me back

last nova
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any specific talents for mythic eranog and primal council?

woeful trellis
hybrid aurora
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there are some builds on wowhead for each raid boss, but id say for those two nothing really changes build wise

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aoe for council obvi

last nova
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thank you

dawn geode
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!stats

oak heart
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haste

wind thicket
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Hey, I am new to tanking in Dragonflight. It probably isn't ideal but can I just macro Shield Block into Shield Slam if I am using the spec for 100 percent uptime on Shield Block?

limpid anchor
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No

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Stop with macroing bullshit together :<

wind thicket
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For M+ if I am the only tank what is the downside to it?

dusky canopy
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You don’t want to macro them together

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Because you will spend charges and then run out of block

limpid anchor
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But 100%

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Also, you don’t want to waste rage

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Gotta pump the dps

vast goblet
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You can macro SS and IP together though no?

glossy ravine
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Nah you can macro ss into ignore pain, but you still want a separate bind for ss

vast goblet
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Right

edgy bone
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how do we feel about this as prot

vast goblet
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Useless

modest gulch
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Do /use [@mouse] 13

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If its all ya got

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Wait is it ground targetable?

distant crystal
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looks like it's...target targetable

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from the tooltip

tulip kelp
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Is there a list somewhere of which classes can dispel what?

distant crystal
sleek current
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2nd boss in CoS this week is toxic. 😂

tulip kelp
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So can any druid monk or paladin dispel poison?

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Or is it resto only, etc

distant crystal
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they'll need to talent it

sleek current
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Any, yeah

distant crystal
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the ones with the + are healer only, basically just magic dispels

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a LOT of default/cookie cutter talent builds for M+ will omit their dispels tho

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so good thing to talk about before you start the key

balmy pawn
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Question: I’m sitting around 25% haste when I’m just chilling in Valdrakken. Is this enough haste to talent ITF over HR?

round pendant
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Man. I'm tired of these puggers butt pulling in CoS

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lmao

modern brook
round pendant
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HR in m+, ITF in raid

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that's my logic

modern brook
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U go ITF if you can garuntee 5 stacks

vernal aurora
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is the darkmoon dance trinket at 418 any good for prot?

round pendant
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idk if I like storm-eater's boon for m+

balmy pawn
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Is storm eaters boon the uncapped aoe thing that guarantees you die instantly when you press it?

round pendant
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the one that immobilizes you yeah

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I like it in very specific spots in specific dungeons

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But I want a whetstone sadge

deft mortar
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AA 18 wiped on Craw

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unbelievable

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group of 2.4k+ 410+

round pendant
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fire too hard to dodge

deft mortar
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I only died after healer did xd

silver vessel
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Yeah I've never seen whetstone drop

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I'm using decoration and spiteful storm, only because those are what have dropped for me

mighty valley
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bis trinkets = ones you have

silver vessel
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no doubt

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oh no wait, i forgot i got a heroic rumbling ruby

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so not spiteful storm (that was norm)

distant crystal
mighty valley
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spiteful is nice in raid

silver vessel
mighty valley
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and those tyrannical runs where the only thing that matters really is boss damage

silver vessel
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pretty casual

sonic vale
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Quick question is Strike twice anygood?

mental scarab
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free dmg

mortal brook
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free effect, doesnt eat budget, we'll use

silver vessel
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how do you guys value puzzle on prot war?

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garbage?

tulip kelp
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Who usually grabs orbs on vex in AA? Tank gets like 2 at most right?

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Was with Az group and they're flamign me for not taking all 5 plus no dispel on me.. had like 9 stacks at one point

boreal bolt
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you can /ignore them

tulip kelp
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Just wanna make sure I wasn't living in some alternate reality

cinder storm
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You can try to grab as many as people let you

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I can normally grab about 2-3

muted spoke
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Spell Reflect does nothing with Searing Blows ight?

rose valley
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how much haste is too much

turbid shuttle
muted spoke
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I see

turbid shuttle
muted spoke
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does dractyr skill to remove bleed works on it?

rose valley
turbid shuttle
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disagree

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even over 30% is fine. and you're unlikely to hit 40%. I wouldn't worry about it at all tbh.

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haste is an extremely strong offensive and defensive stat

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even if you're eating a small amount of diminishing returns

rose valley
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I see, that makes sense

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appreciate it

turbid shuttle
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we did it team

subtle sparrow
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Been doing 10-13 keys with friends and gotten more than mildly frustrated about them not interrupting. Then one of them said "I have to know which mob casts to be able to interrupt", so it hits me, they are playing without enemy nameplates.

sterile bough
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guess it takes long time to learn when u acutally arent seeing effects of the casts on lower keys

strong forum
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there are the bdk buffs to make it meta

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nice

turbid shuttle
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how is bdk survivability? buffs are all dps.

mighty valley
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they've got it all except damage on live tbh

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they were the only other RWF tank, decent rep in high keys

pliant monolith
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has AV skip been fixed?

copper ridge
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Will there be bdk buffs??

slim dove
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yes its already posted.

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sweeping dmg buffs.

copper ridge
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Ah missed that. Ty

crimson goblet
dusky canopy
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The only tank I don’t like to play about to be meta

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Rip

slim dove
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prot stonks down time to play arms

dusky canopy
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This is good less likely to get prot* nerfs

pliant monolith
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you guys know if azure vault skip have been fixed or we still can? someone told me he intant died trying to jump down

deep spruce
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did it on +22 couple hours ago

sand mason
deft mortar
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bruh ive got 0 motivation to do anything in wow but farm M+ score bit by bit

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I dont even enjoy it

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my score isnt even good

round pendant
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so stop playing

sand mason
deft mortar
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think I gotta reset my brain

sand mason
distant crystal
reef holly
distant crystal
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healer output feels more relevent than usual rn

slim dove
strong forum
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bdk was already better defensively in 6/8 keys than pwar

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they only lacked dmg output to be meta or on the same level as pwar

mortal brook
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not that in general tank survival is the push issue

sick sentinel
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welp

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it was nice chatting with you guys

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onto dk channel i go

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bye

deft mortar
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Ew

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Still can't believe ppl recognise non shield specs as "tanks" let alone leathers

wide parcel
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Laughs in BrM main

deft mortar
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Ait now I see why I dont get invites to 20s

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Cuz everybody is 2.9k+ score and 415+

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I was ok like 2 weeks ago xd

wide parcel
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Gotta run your key >.<

grave flower
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Everyone 2.9k score? Where

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For 20s? No.

deft mortar
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I am legit the only person below 2.8k

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Or 415 ilvl

wide parcel
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It was an over-exaggeration but yeah

deft mortar
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I just started a fake 21 AA group just to see who are these fkn tanks getting invited over me

grave flower
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Doubling down on that exaggeration by using words like legit. And io scores not close to those key levels but yeah

deft mortar
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Like 15 sing ups in 1 min

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All of them are 415+ and 2.8k score +

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Most of them are act 2.9k score +

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I wouldn't invite me either

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Even dungeons I timed at 20+

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No reason to invite me

grave flower
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Then run your key? If people signing up they don’t care about your score

deft mortar
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My key got ass fked to 17

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Very lazy to run it

grave flower
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17 ain’t bad. That’s two runs to fix it and two more orbs

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Two steps closer to 415ilvl

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More chances for sparks

deft mortar
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Bit butthurt this expansion with crafted gear being so broken

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But there being a valor cap

grave flower
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Can’t complain about the average ilvl and then crafted gear in the same sentence lol

turbid shuttle
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the crafted gear helps with the valor cap

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less items you need to spend valor on

deft mortar
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I have 70 gold

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And I wont farm gold

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I cant buy a token cuz region locked

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My crafteds are 412

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xd

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Legit sitting on extra 3-4 ilvls if I had ideal crafteds

grave flower
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You have any professions ?

deft mortar
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or no valor cap

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Im BS / Engi

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I do mining and JC on an alt dk

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And enchanting / mining on an alt pala

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That's how I got my initial 412 crafts

wide parcel
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Mans just complaining about anything

grave flower
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Sounds like you can make gold without farming

deft mortar
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I legit will complain about anything btw

grave flower
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“People’s ilvl are too high”
“Crafted gear is busted”

daring marlin
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Uncapped valor gonna be massive

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wewlad

grave flower
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Games never been more accessible

deft mortar
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It will be what it should have been

grave flower
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Not as massive as you think

turbid shuttle
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uncapped valor irrelevant for mains at this point

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nice for alts though

grave flower
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^

daring marlin
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Obviously for alts

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like wat

deft mortar
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If they let me buy some damn tokens

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I'd just P2W my way

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to crafted everything

turbid shuttle
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there are other sources of purchased gold

deft mortar
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But legit cant farm anything but couple M+s

turbid shuttle
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if you're adamant about not farming

grave flower
deft mortar
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Well instead farm mining and make like 50k an hour

grave flower
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Gonna get this dude the fucking ban hammer giving him an effective 0 ilvl lol

deft mortar
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1 hour at my IRL job makes me like 600-800k in wow gold

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But region locked meme T^T

grave flower
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Playerauction is region locked?

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You in North Korea?

deft mortar
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no wow token is

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Im in canada

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i play in eu

grave flower
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Mistake #1

deft mortar
grave flower
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Live in a shit country and play on a shit server.

deft mortar
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see no token

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Pls Canada is the best country in the world

grave flower
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Not for buying wow tokens obviously

deft mortar
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There is legit no country better than Canada

grave flower
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How’s your queen

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Dead

deft mortar
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Maybe Singapore or Australia

grave flower
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Wtf

wide parcel
deft mortar
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God save the Queen brother

grave flower
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Next you’ll say Yemen is a relaxation vacation destination

deft mortar
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If you are wealthy enough

grave flower
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Bet you can buy a wow token in Yemen though

deft mortar
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Nah

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I think bunch of EU countries cant buy token in eu either

grave flower
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Yemen isn’t eu

vast goblet
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whats the deal with catalysts? does every character on your account get a stack each week or is it a stack per week on your account that any character can use.

wide parcel
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Wdym, Yemen is right next to the UK

deft mortar
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My key is so dead that anyone who applies to AA 17 isn't even capable of completing AA 17

vast goblet
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my warrior only has 1 catalyst and I havent used a single one

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but I did use one this week on my DH

grave flower
daring marlin
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It's a display bug

wide parcel
vast goblet
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really?

daring marlin
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It says 1 but you'll have two

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100%

vast goblet
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ohh ok thats good

deft mortar
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Algethar Academy

wide parcel
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Free key bud, just invite people who arent 2.9k and 415 ilvl

deft mortar
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Idk why these ppl are even queueing up to run this rn

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It doesnt count towards vault

wide parcel
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Werent you just talking about that?

deft mortar
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And defo it isnt progress for any of us

mighty valley
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people will farm 16-17 for easy infusion shard things

sick sentinel
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teleport ring today sent me to uldir

vast goblet
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^

deft mortar
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I suppose I played M+ more during times of tank shortage

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In the past

woeful trellis
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btw any infos to shards, someone told me he got one at "farming the holes"

mortal brook
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dragon shards of knowledge are from any activity yeah. clickies, rares, event completions. just very low chance

craggy pilot
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wow +20 SMBG

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and a DH trolls the entire key by pulling Spider pack on top of worm pack

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he fucking pulled 13 ontop of worm

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while i said in start we do normal route

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and he still goes and ninja pulls

mighty valley
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you can +3 SMB while half asleep, why even bother trying to speed it up

craggy pilot
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idk bro

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shadowpriest insta left after the wipe cus of that ninja pull 😄

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boosted russian priest pulling 64k dps though

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kinda yikes

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why do people wanna control keys so bad

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when they can just W and its timed

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fucking hell man im so mad

tender quartz
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How the f do you live 5 jade casts in temple if the evoker is doing less HPS than you in a 22

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how can a group even manage to get 5 casts jeez

slim dove
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you dont

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take the L and go touch some grass as a break lmao

tender quartz
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I guess... I nearly broke my IP button 🤭

craggy pilot
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fucking hell

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shouldnt be my key going down 1

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when its literally 1 specific guy trolling

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that causes the entire key

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fuck im mad

tender quartz
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:(

craggy pilot
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might as well not run my own keys

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cus fucking retards joining them

tulip kelp
craggy pilot
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Russian Spriest 2700 r.io not breaking 70k dps

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Hunter+DH 2man premade with 10x 20+s done each

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and they fucking troll the entire key

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literally best player was the Druid who only timed 1 +20

tulip kelp
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I never invite either of those classes lately

tender quartz
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Thing is... you want a DH in your group

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you don't want DH players in your group

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get it :D

daring marlin
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DHs are the dumbest fuckin' bunch of players

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In a general sense

craggy pilot
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he died on 1st pack after 1st boss SMBG

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releases back to entrance

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and walks the FUCKING WRONG WAY AROUND

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and ninja pulls

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has to die and get ressed anyway

daring marlin
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bruh LMAO

craggy pilot
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idk how you can be so braindead honestly

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some people having 2600+ r.io boggles me

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and at this point i just dont rly feel like pushing keys anyway

strong forum
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1st pack after 1st boss has funky mobs that ignore threat table

vast goblet
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nah

craggy pilot
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yea him dying isnt what im mad at tbh

vast goblet
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you need to hold aggro on the dominators

craggy pilot
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but him releasing, walking wrong way, and ninja pulling

strong forum
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Ye ik

craggy pilot
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is ridiculous

vast goblet
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spirits aggro table are based off the dominators

tender quartz
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I noticed that too sometimes one mob runs off meleeing my group

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dunno which one

vast goblet
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so you just interrupt the fathest one

tender quartz
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its teh same tho, feamel mob iirc

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oh god grammar i should go to bed

craggy pilot
tender quartz
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it ignores it

vast goblet
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cant taunt them

tender quartz
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for some reaosn

vast goblet
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im telling you the reason rn

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you need to taunt the dominator

strong forum
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The first 2 dominated mobs work fine, but the one from the patrol isn't

craggy pilot
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hmm weird i never rly had issue

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but i might have Ravager + Roar every time im there

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should be possible to hit all 3 Dominators with Roar

vast goblet
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thats because youre stacked around the first two dominators and not the third so cleave damage rips aggro on it from you

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then the soul runs off and beats your healer up

craggy pilot
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oh well fkt his game

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im going to bed fuming i guess

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fucking hell

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free timed +20 and this shit...

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i just wanted a new key, dont even need +20 SMBG for score

deft mortar
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I found a new hobby that relaxes me

vast goblet
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got to the last boss with 15 mins left last night, we didnt time the key

deft mortar
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Queueing for keys below 10

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And just wrecking them

vast goblet
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people couldnt just walk straight thru the window

daring marlin
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I actually didn't know that

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rip

deft mortar
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And getting showered with praise

vast goblet
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yeah i just learned that the other day lol

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super easy to deal with interrupting one dominator

craggy pilot
#

at this point doing +16 and below is just boring when being 405+ ilvl

craggy pilot
round pendant
#

Failed +14 SMG because people can't stop stepping in purple

#

how exactly does a shadow priest have 16k dps?

deft mortar
#

Wrecking as in being top dps as tank

vast goblet
#

they love that purple

deft mortar
#

More fun to help ppl in fortified week tho

#

Not fun to solo Tremblade

round pendant
#

and he had a go at me for tanking the boss at the bone wall?

craggy pilot
#

ye i do that as well

#

but after a bit it gets boring since i get nothing from it

deft mortar
#

At that point Yam just close chat lol

craggy pilot
#

no score, no gear, no nothing

#

i guess i could get some quick valor, and upgrade my Big Toe trinket 🤔

daring marlin
#

filthy animal

craggy pilot
#

402 Rumbling Ruby seems a bit lackluster compared to 415 Big Toe

deft mortar
#

Lmao

strong forum
#

I'm the dps killing stuff is MY job

deft mortar
#

Proceeds to do less overall than the tank

#

xdf

daring marlin
#

We're dps with a shield

strong forum
#

God damn tanks takin' mer jerbs

cerulean tusk
#

I am confused, where would you put the boss if not close to the wall for easy wave baits?

daring marlin
#

📈

deft mortar
#

We are dps with the aggro

daring marlin
deft mortar
#

Healer is the dps that off-heals

craggy pilot
#

having raid trinkets when i only do HC feels so bad, when it tanks overall ivll so much :<

tender quartz
#

I mean to be fair it's fairly easy to top DPS as protwarr until they're like 2800+

deft mortar
#

This retri saw that I was low hp

#

And bubble taunted craw for a lil bit

#

Like

#

For the big hit

#

I never respected a DPS player

strong forum
#

Gamer

hardy snow
#

that's nice of him

tender quartz
#

Nome I fucking love the Crit Change we talked about 😊

strong forum
tender quartz
#

Feels superb good, don't miss the 10% Vers I dropped for 15% Crit

deft mortar
#

I miss DF prepatch

#

70% armor 40% vers 20% Dstace 5% Vanguard

round pendant
#

I'm so fucking annoyed, wasted 40 minutes on that key trying to finish it even with that shit team

craggy pilot
round pendant
#

I should just leave if the key feels like shit before the first boss

tender quartz
#

@craggy pilot I went from Haste Vers to Haste Crit* in that sense

craggy pilot
#

i was considering changing my 500 haste wrist to pure crit 🤣

deft mortar
#

They should buff slam and give us a single target rage dump

craggy pilot
#

engi wrist with pure crit would be sick

deft mortar
#

Imagine dat

strong forum
#

I was a bit sad when I did keys today, thought I'd do more dmg, my AA overall on tree got stolen

hardy snow
#

why people are so much overreacting about fked up key?

#

isnt it just a videogame?

strong forum
grim grotto
#

is there a list of good talent picks for specific dungeons?

strong forum
#

The worse the player, the more they get upset over the littlest things

deft mortar
#

I will be upset over thundering fails

#

Everytime

#

But I will be ok in 5 secs

strong forum
cerulean tusk
strong forum
#

Boom, done

craggy pilot
#

there is difference of fucked up key, and straight up inted key

hardy snow
deft mortar
#

Am I missing out on spellblock

craggy pilot
#

like if you die cus heal cant heal Hyrja aoe or something

deft mortar
#

Legit never touched it

craggy pilot
#

its like "ok we tried, gl next"

deft mortar
#

Spell Reflect and Wall seems good enough

#

For most purposes

craggy pilot
#

but if someone intentionally pull more shit that the tank/heal isnt rdy for

strong forum
#

It's not mandatory, but it helps here and there in AV and Tjs

#

And RLP

cerulean tusk
hardy snow
#

i like to spellblock these first slashers in burial grounds okayge

deft mortar
#

U can take 3 steps away from them as they cast btw

#

And they dont hit

#

Than walk back maybe 1 sec dps downtime

#

TC stil lhits

cerulean tusk
#

I tried to step out of range of the slash, like on the Maidens, yet didn't get it to work. Is it like a 10y range?

deft mortar
#

I think 10 yd is safe

hardy snow
timber terrace
#

Not taking spellblock in most high keys is trolling it's a 20 seconds shield wall on a short cd against a lot of mechanics

hardy snow
craggy pilot
deft mortar
#

Me 2 brother xd

craggy pilot
#

youre not reading 😄

#

were talking about people straight inting keys

#

people ninja pulling

#

leaving when still timeable

#

etc

deft mortar
#

Jade Serpent I can line up CDs for every serpent strike tbh

#

Without sblock

hardy snow
#

yeah and that's what are fuckups during pushing keys

#

sh*t happens, get over it

deft mortar
#

Had to 4 man her the other day at 21

#

T^T

cerulean tusk
#

Ninjapulls are not fuck ups tho.

craggy pilot
#

😄

#

bro

#

i did 150+ keys

hardy snow
craggy pilot
#

1st time i had someone else try to pull for me

hardy snow
#

if you play with pugs - thats what happens

deft mortar
#

I think for Nokhud fortified

craggy pilot
#

i play with pugs

#

for 150+ keys

deft mortar
#

Using 2 prot warrs can be justfiable

craggy pilot
#

and had it happen only today

deft mortar
#

Thoguhts?

craggy pilot
hardy snow
deft mortar
#

lol

cerulean tusk
#

based on the smell, Jawor is that sh*t that happens hmmNod

craggy pilot
#

🤣

timber terrace
#

I mean if you're giving up spell block for 10% bleed dam or smth in decent keys you're just a walking meme

craggy pilot
#

you take Armor Spikes though

#

not bleed dam

tulip kelp
#

We should do some keys together warrior brothers

hardy snow
craggy pilot
cerulean tusk
craggy pilot
#

what keys you doing Jawor? just for interest?

hardy snow
sick sentinel
#

a wipe is usually a group effort and confluence of things not going correctly as they should

hardy snow
#

i know its not much, but thats the level we are for now

sick sentinel
#

tank stands in fire, thats hard to fix

craggy pilot
#

having the "shit happens" mentality when you dont pug is just straight up different though

#

since you play with the same people, you know theyre not intentionally trying to fuck over the key

hardy snow
#

ive done few keys with pugs this season, alot in previous seasons, i just dont pug on daily basis

craggy pilot
#

whenever people wanna backseat lead in pugs

#

its just straight up inting

hardy snow
deft mortar
#

I do complain about DPS (in my head or here) when in overalls the DPSers dont 1.5x me

craggy pilot
#

thats also what i said?

deft mortar
#

At that point running tanks instead them gives a better result

craggy pilot
#

i said the guy was straight inting my key

#

first time i had it happen in a long time

cerulean tusk
#

Btw, Jawor, just advice - if you are playing with the same team and you feel they are doing bad DPS. Communicate with them and see where you can help them out. Get pulls planned out that will fit their CDs, I promise huge gains on the meters for all.

hardy snow
#

so what? it happens once per season or something, as I said, shit happens

hardy snow
cerulean tusk
#

Fair enough, been there done that. Shit takes work, but ya'll get em rolling. Just keep in mind, in 90% of the cases, it is the pulling that keeps DPS back - not the DPS themselves.

hardy snow
silver vessel
#

just bring up the preventable damage taken charts

cerulean tusk
#

If they struggle with thundering, go intervene, arrows can be stunned/cc'd by you hmmNod

sick sentinel
#

shit happens sure, its if you identify the problem and learn to adapt to it or no

silver vessel
cerulean tusk
#

Guildies are guildies sadly.

hardy snow
tender quartz
#

So... I thought about this and I think it's wise to take the L after discussing with Nome.

Hello fellow kids,
I'm a 2839 Protwarrior who just learned that our IV Selfheal is useable every 25s and ... not only if we get a killing blow.
I have no idea why I hardcoded that thought into my mind and made my WA only trigger the resets, not track the CD.

I'll show myself out, feel free to screenshot. 😂

silver vessel
#

yeh I guess I've never had a legit guild, just one buddy that I play with

tender quartz
#

fk my life.

vernal sky
#

yeah IV is the improved version of the ability you're thinking of lol

silver vessel
#

then I realized I can just use on CD

tender quartz
#

i feel so baaaad+

vernal sky
#

is IV always worth using when you're getting destroyed? say on rlp 2nd boss, is the rage better spent on IV as opposed to yet another IP?

sick sentinel
#

im old man as well

hardy snow
sick sentinel
#

but this mythic + shit is just too fast

#

blink and you miss it and your dead

cerulean tusk
#

That is why we tank - so we can blink.

sick sentinel
#

blink and you don't have DR / aggro fixed it

timber terrace
#

The only m+ mechanic I feel is too fast is the circle after the kick on the 3rd tjs boss

sick sentinel
#

i just feel like some games are really fast

#

and wow is pretty close to that, but it can be difficult to keep up remembering what to kick, what to stun, what to block, what to reflect, what to spell block

cerulean tusk
#

Games are a lot faster in general. Back in the day there was 1 hour CDs, today those are less than 20 sec. 30sec CDs are now 3 sec. Don't worry about it.

vast goblet
#

get some plater profiles to help you with that

sick sentinel
#

there is already you are trying to remember the route and enemy mechanics

timber terrace
#

wow isn't a fast paced game maybe it looks fast when you're confused or tunnel visionning doing something you're not used to but this game doesn't require lightning fast reflexes like ever

sick sentinel
#

and then you are keeping in mind all that other crap + frontals

hardy snow
sick sentinel
#

sure, i just don't want the confusion

#

and the speed is what leads to the confusion

cerulean tusk
#

Most to all confusion can be undone with WAs and prep-work. So it aint all doom and gloom. Just adaption.

robust lark
#

got any pro tips for mage tower?

mortal brook
#

shield slam when its shiny

cerulean tusk
#

Wowhead guide for gear helps a lot - consumables are not overrated.

tender quartz
#

Do it as Fury hides

cinder storm
sick sentinel
#

plater profiles in my case has given me a 30% buff to interrupt shit and prio targets, which helped keys, well, to keep it short, i stood in abunch of crap i wasn't supposed to on 14 AA 2 of them

#

didn't make it past the 2nd bird boss either of the like 3 times attempt

#

stood in crap

grim grotto
#

question for hyria in hov this week. i got beamed by 600k dmg with 530k hp on a 20+ . spellreflection was up. even when i can stacck some IP before, how is it possible to survive on even higher keys ? 😮

strong forum
timber terrace
grim grotto
#

y#

strong forum
#

You should have demo up for 1,sw for the other

grim grotto
cloud umbra
#

spell reflect is up for every one of them

strong forum
#

Defensive stance + SR + Max IP + max hp should be enough tho

timber terrace
#

No either spell block or shield wall

#
  • reflect
grim grotto
#

guys read full text. i pressed spellreflect 😛

cloud umbra
#

you have to use more than reflect

cinder storm
#

Yeah that's why it was chunking you

cloud umbra
#

rotate cds

grim grotto
#

.... bro really

cinder storm
#

Git gud

cerulean tusk
# sick sentinel stood in crap

Just have a WA that shows that you got SB up or need to get it up, a clear view of your healthbar and IP situation. Then all your focus can go to your toes.
Have a WA go "Meow" when tankbusters are coming, so you know to pop defencives as needed. Sound ques will let your eyes scan the terrain undisturbed.

cinder storm
#

Run away little girl, run away...

cloud umbra
#

Wall+reflect one.. demo+reflect one.. if you have spell block, use that for one .. Defensive stance right before the beam.. plenty of options..

sick sentinel
cerulean tusk
#

If the WA aint meowing, it aint working right.

sick sentinel
#

I used to have reflectables be banana peel, block a eating crunch noise, and interupt bam punch

cerulean tusk
#

you can keep block up at all times now tho, so that aint needed anymore at least.

sick sentinel
#

so, if something casted something that could be reflected, it would do the noise

cerulean tusk
#

Also - too many sounds, sounds... distracting.

cinder storm
#

They don't have the shotgun anymore right? Just the loading shotgun

tender quartz
#

d_gun1

cinder storm
#

Ah, ty ty

#

That's the best one imo

#

Meow comes close second

#

Kitty Kitty gang gang

timber terrace
#

Use a let fly weakaura

round pendant
#

ok second attempt at SBG +14

tepid obsidian
#

what would you guys use your first 5 sparks on for a fresh prot war for m+?

round pendant
#

people are incapable of the final boss on tyranical

sick sentinel
#

but im too retarded to know how to extract voice lines and then put them in a WA

cinder storm
tulip kelp
sick sentinel
#

or at least, it would take a while

cerulean tusk
timber terrace
#

Probably weapon shield lariat belt and whatever fit last

tepid obsidian
#

legends

sick sentinel
#

ive used worse weakauras

#

this one might be a dbm clone feature

timber terrace
#

I downloaded a dungeon weakauras pack then I levelled up an alt an on the first uldaman boss it spammed some really loud sea shanty when they're on the boats

robust lark
#

I don't think that's a weak aura

timber terrace
#

I don't have the default game sounds on tho

sick sentinel
#

i have everything sound on and music loop, but all at 3-15% volume

#

little bit exaggerated but sure lol

round pendant
#

Man, why is everyone I invite doing worse dps than me

#

at what rating do dps start doing more dps than the tank?

tender quartz
#

2800

#

In my personal experience.

#

I am on par with 2700~ DPS people

grave flower
#

we still going for frozen devotion on weapon or sophic?

round pendant
#

I'm so tired of this

slim dove
#

2700 im usually 10-15k under my top dps

#

pretty cringe and makes me just wanna play arms in every key

sick sentinel
#

its fine

#

blizzard will find ways to nerf us again

deft mortar
#

Barely did 60k overall DPS in Nokhud 19

#

Im trash rn

woeful reef
#

does anyone know what the rules are regarding trading your m+ key? sometimes can sometimes cant, what are the rules for it

cinder storm
#

If your key was the same level or lower than the timed key

woeful reef
#

thought soi, ty

slow token
#

Did fur get nerfed? Feel like im doing less dps today lol

#

fury *

pallid quiver
#

checks channel name

#

Might want to relocate, boss

strong forum
#

Fury got buffed

#

So uh

#

🙂

violet violet
#

does spell block work for hyrja

strong forum
#

Yes

violet violet
#

ty ❤️

sand mason
#

also the cheese tech is very nice to mitigate group damage if oyu can pull it off

violet violet
#

yeah been practicing the timing on it

round pendant
#

Man I want my 4pc but I'm getting really unlucky with gear to convert. Should I spend some of my 6750 valor on my 6/13 gloves from SMBG?

#

That'll get me 4pc

mortal brook
#

valor cap removed next week, blow it

modest gulch
mortal brook
modest gulch
mortal brook
#

heck, that day

#

yes

round pendant
#

holy shiiiiit

round pendant
sick sentinel
#

where giant scary dragon

sand mason
#

why not do your helm/chest/shoulder/legs instead?

slim dove
#

none of our secondaries are bad.

#

gloves are perfectly fine.

round pendant
#

Because I don't have an upgradeable chest

#

and already have tier helm

sick sentinel
#

raza is pretty good boss dragon atm, but we need bigger meaner dragon

lavish barn
#

noob question do u need to keep up shield block in ruby life pools 1st boss?

mortal brook
#

yeah, does SS damage

#

pew pew

modest gulch
#

I actually watched the rp after an lfr while farming draconic augment runes... those 3 floating dragons in the balls break free. I'm already terrified of the earth dragon.

sick sentinel
#

u need to keep up shield block regardless, and thats fairly easy to do now with suggested talents a good rotation

#

bc SB is SS +30%

grave flower
#

Herja....Spell Reflect work?

#

and spell block?

sick sentinel
#

spell block on balls i noted some weeks ago

#

no idea if it changed

#

that's a don't get hit by that balls thing though,

grave flower
#

I meant for the beam

lavish barn
mortal brook
#

stuff dyin means they do less dam to you

#

but yeah also like 30% of incoming dam is autos

warm plinth
grave flower
#

thank you

sick sentinel
grave flower
#

BSV still bugged?

warm plinth
#

Yes

grave flower
#

kk, about to do this RLP 20 and the first boss is more of a pain than the 2nd lol

brisk mica
#

RLP 20 key for the second boss, how do you used your defensive when the boss used the god damn 4 stacks tank buster. I have my shield block on and demo shout, plus I have to use impending victory to stay alive. If my demoshout is on CD I have to used shield wall but if I don't have shield wall and demo shout I am basically dead.

Any other way to tank this the easy way?

fluid shard
#

Use cds later instead of sooner

#

iv after a few secs

topaz raptor
#

i think the sim is gonna say take the jeweled signet of melandrus over the seal of filial duty but what do u guys think? i have the unstable frostfire belt and the seal of filial duty that triggers the effect

#

yeah +104 dps if i swap the jeweled signet of melandrus for seal of filial duty

lost jasper
tulip kelp
#

And don’t forget Evoker bleed cleanse if available

stark flax
#

After elemental lariat, what's usually the best slot to craft? Lowest ilvl slot? Weapon?

tulip kelp
#

Lariat nothing special imo

#

Not sure id craft it first/at all if I did it all over again

stark flax
#

well I already have it, so just wondering what I should get next or if it matters

mortal brook
woven trellis
#

so like

#

about the trade off between damage and def

#

for sophic dev o frozen dev

#

how do you guys choose

fathom goblet
#

Anyone knows uptime for diurna ring ?

versed delta
#

Does anyone else who queue for Heroic and they are giving our Draconic packs. It takes forever for the dungeon to come up?

urban portal
#

go sophic

woven trellis
#

both guide say to go frozen for dam

#

but why

modest gulch
amber siren
#

Frozen is a very good damage proc is why

#

If you're just concerned about raw damage, you can sim it

#

Afaik sophic needs higher stats to pull ahead but Im not 100% sure on that

sand pebble
mighty valley
urban portal
#

but the gap isnt large

#

and doesnt scale well with targets

rough egret
#

Oh uncapped valor from 14th 🙂 nice

uneven ice
#

One question: DS only applies damage reduction on dots if applied before the dot is applied, isn’t it?

#

I mean, i 2nd boss RLP applies dot and then DS, the damage is not reduced for the dot

#

It works like this?

cinder nova
#

Almost all damage reduction affects all damage intake if that type of damage can be reduced.

#

Snapshotting isn't a thing for tank mechanics barring weirdly specific corner cases.

#

If you get a full rack of dots from an Aff lock you can Demo shout them and the damage you take will be less.

uneven ice
#

But when is a dot the damage is already applied, but delivered trough time

#

Even if you demo after being applied?

cinder nova
#

Demo shout post-application still works to reduce dot damage, yes.

#

Whose dots are they? The enemy. Is that enemy shouted? Yes. They do 20% less damage.

uneven ice
#

What if the demo don’t hit the applier

cinder nova
#

Then no.

uneven ice
#

Ok

#

Got it

cinder nova
#

You have to hit a target with Demo Shout for the debuff to actually... you know.

#

Do it's thing.

uneven ice
#

Thanks!

civic holly
#

what kindve value does alacritous alch stone give?

#

in regards to keying?

amber siren
#

not much

robust lark
#

I'm runnin this here build about to go inth AA, figure I might wanna pick up bitter immunity but don't know what to swap

#

pls help XD

rough egret
#

Why bitter immunity?

robust lark
#

don't have poison cleanse for tree

rough egret
#

Sidearm

#

And that HT talent

#

But its not ideal 🙂

finite scarab
#

sadly in some pugs its needed

#

pug a 18 today no one else cc them and we did not nuke them if i did not have it would of wiped had like 60 stacks

unkempt lynx
#

22% uptime on shield block in primal council HC is pretty bad no?

analog sparrow
#

223leech vs 1 socket. which would ya'll prefer?

amber siren
#

socket probably

solemn current
#

I can always add a socket. Leech has to be proc’d

rotund igloo
#

hi... if yall dont mind me asking, at what point would yall think is it worth to replace the arcane assembly shield ring? it's still doing about 550-900k absorbs on fights

indigo gulch
#

415 strike twice or 418 primal molten longsword better

silver ice
sick sentinel
#

ok after playing couple of dk games im back

#

damage will still suck after buff

bitter ravine
#

you could prob just swap out the ring for when you see value in the shield, eg temple or AV

sick sentinel
#

shout is too op

lime urchin
silent anchor
unkempt lynx
#

a tank in my guild had that

lime urchin
#

Where did you get the numbers from

unkempt lynx
#

i feel like he is harder to heal compared to the other tank

#

warcraftlogs

bitter ravine
#

send him the shield block weakaura and then he can never be confused about whether or not he has shield block up

lime urchin
#

You almost need to deliberately not press shield block to get 22%

warm plinth
unkempt lynx
#

ill send him a WA and see if he improves

lime urchin
#

Tell him his dps will increase if he gets higher shield block uptime

#

But I am also sceptical on wether that 22% you say is correct

bitter ravine
#

@unkempt lynx i just think that anybody in a tanking role has to be looking at anything / everything for where to improve and if that is his % on shield block he should be willing to at least track it further to increase usages otherwise its kinda trolling

unkempt lynx
warm plinth
#

Bro that guy is fucking trolling lol

bitter ravine
#

he's forgetting to press it ig

tulip kelp
silver ice
#

thats kinda impressive

lime urchin
#

Whoa

unkempt lynx
#

we kill the boss no problem its just annoying to babysit the tank tbh

warm plinth
#

Understandably so

#

Who is your raid leader? They need to know this guy has legit never looked at a tooltip or guide in his life

bitter ravine
#

savage

#

you dont need to go straight to the class teacher to tell them the kids are smoking behind the shed, at least approach the kids and let them know smoking is bad for them first

unkempt lynx
#

thanks for the tips 🙂

tulip kelp
#

Nah sometimes you just gotta put them down

odd nimbus
#

guys just to be sure,how much haste before itf to be able to safely swape out of HR?

lime urchin
#

Wait what

#

Can you give you question a bit more context please

odd nimbus
#

meaning with itf it goes to 45 percent yes?

warm plinth
#

No, haste is multiplicative.

#

It would go to ~48.5%

odd nimbus
#

owww yes that was what made me confused,so with enduring alacrity i have 33 percent now

#

trying to get there :((

warm plinth
#

I mean, that's a shit talent to take :/

silent anchor
# unkempt lynx

Point him too some prot warr guides. Is he a fotm reroller? Maybe he thinks it's a on use defensive rather than a must have up

warm plinth
#

What are you even giving up to take that

#

Because i can guarantee it's not worth it

odd nimbus
#

i have frostfire belt too

odd nimbus
warm plinth
#

Errr, that's impossible though.

#

What are you losing in the bottom to take it

#

Enduring Alacrity is in the 20 point tier, which means you have to lose something in the 20 point tier to use it.

odd nimbus
#

i dont have battering ram too

warm plinth
#

Yeah there's no chance it's even comparable with battering ram

odd nimbus
#

so no thunderlord no enduring but battering ram huh?

warm plinth
#

Swapping to ItF isn't a goal. It's a thing you can do when you get to a certain point if you want to.

#

Correct

odd nimbus
tulip kelp
#

If I use my hoof instead of whetstone I’m at 39% without rune @warm plinth

cinder nova
#

Better be a shit whetstone and a hench hoof

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I doubt the swap to ITF is gonna make the diff on a BIS trinket like whet

tulip kelp
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Yeah I don’t think so either

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Could replace totem instead but doubt it’s worth it

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40% haste without ITF is super tempting tho

odd nimbus
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so totem and whetstone are bis?

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for m+?
for raid torch and whetstone right?

amber siren
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If you’re not needing to run icon for your raid

odd nimbus
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what makes totem better than rumbbling ruby?

tulip kelp
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It incorporates a more aggressive icon which commands respect when people inspect you

orchid frigate
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any weakaura or something that can help you doing hyrja quazii stylee?

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the polarity thing

wraith ember
weak goblet
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What should my base haste be to utilise avatar properly?

wispy canopy
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More.

odd nimbus
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trolling andies

lofty widget
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there's no haste amount that "makes avatar work"

weak goblet
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Don't you need it to be a certain amount in order not to be waiting for it to come off CD during avatar?

jolly cipher
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i know it was asked before but i can't find an answer. is the 418 darkmoon dance trinket a sim bait? or is it good for damage?

wraith ember
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as far as I knoiw GCD scales with haste, so Thunderclap cd is always 2 GCDs during Avatar

broken kite
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cobalt dps ring seems pretty good (3% of dmg for m+ etc), seems like its not covered much in guides - any reason?

mortal brook
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Good as it sims yep. Losing 500 secondary makes it partial meter bait tho

broken kite
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fair, sims do show it as 1.2% under CoS ring

lime turret
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Hi, in my case for low/middle key 16-17-18-19, is it really worth to stack versatility? to reach a poor 8% damage less 😕 crit give me parry, mastery chance to block, haste good so why should i focus on vers?

lofty widget
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you shouldnt focus on vers

deep spruce
lime turret
deep spruce
tawdry fjord
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So how do i actually know when to go for ilvl upgrade vs better stats on a lower ilvl item?

lime turret
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Si it's say that obviously ilvl/strengh, then haste, then vers, so yes it's a focus one

tawdry fjord
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so in theory, should just stack ilvl > haste-verst?

lofty widget
tawdry fjord
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ah i see

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But on those two feks, its better to take 226 haste over the verst and 10 strength gain?

lofty widget
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no

tawdry fjord
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Roger!

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Thank you 🙂

hidden linden
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Also do yourself a favor and delete Pawn

tawdry fjord
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haha yeah not using it. Just forgot to disable it on my warrior^^

lime urchin
tranquil fern
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hey guys, what do you use to track your shield wall / ignore pain?

lime urchin
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A weakaura

tranquil fern
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I am new to Prot and went through some weakauras and maybe found something good. Still curious to see what other people are using

reef holly
timber terrace
oak crown
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I currently have 2 set only. Is there a massive difference between a 2set and a 4set?

crystal mauve
lime urchin
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What is tier? sadge

grave orchid
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completely new prot warrior here. Is execute pressed a lot in mythic+ or should i not have it on my bar

blazing condor
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it is pressed

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single target rage dump mostly

grave orchid
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over revenge?

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icic, thx!

silent anchor
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Not over revenge if u have 4pc

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Just weave

wraith ember
timber terrace
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you can't mitigate/reflect spells that are already in the air tbf i didn't even know this cast had travel time but it looks like it does

icy canopy
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do we go Crit/haste or Haste/vers for m+ ?

woeful trellis
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anyone got lucky already with spark

silent anchor
violet smelt
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crit haste makes it easier to flex into arms for OS

bright sage
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Hi guys, just leveled up my prot warrior, which pieces should I craft with the 5 sparks?

violet smelt
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weapon,shield,frost belt then wait a week to see what drops from m+/raid and use your last 2 for your lowest ilvl pieces that dont screw you for tier

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or maybe lariat adn save 1 spark up to you

bright sage
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ok, ty!

subtle sparrow
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I found a spell reflect WA and I wanted to put an audio cue on it, but the audio always plays really late, it feels more like it plays when the reflect is successful rather than when detecting a reflectable spell. It should be here right?

steep wraith
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depends what the trigger for the sound is

subtle sparrow
tame jasper
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I also use spell reflect essentials and it calls when to reflect also on audio

subtle sparrow
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Uhm. Mine doesn't

grand arrow
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what is a good vault option

sand mason
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Take the ring it’s BiS af

grand arrow
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and replace the nk ring ? or Duty

slim dove
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cos ring

sick sentinel