is there a "need" to do the hyrja trick doing opposite mech on each side at a certain key level?
#protection
proud dock
dire matrix
that was bolstering
i think
and was sent to me
not made by me
dps players tryna optimise my route
sick sentinel
its probably more elegant to do this and los at red
strong forum
Ye
dire matrix
o
sick sentinel
or else you need like 4 to 5 interrupt to gather
strong forum
The earthshaper are the elemenrals
sick sentinel
oh earthshaper is not the problem
strong forum
With the shield
dire matrix
u mean tectonic slam guy>
sick sentinel
its the ice lances
dire matrix
yeah
sick sentinel
with enough icelance caster youre gonna die
dire matrix
its the frostbolts
200k+ per hit
it gets really fucking rude
you need those 2 for count unless ur pullin extra after
strong forum
Whelps + steel barrage dude
sick sentinel
eggs
dire matrix
yeah
sick sentinel
2 eggs or something
sick sentinel
each egg is 0.15 i think
strong forum
sick sentinel
yea rlp is really well desinged count wise
dire matrix
this pull u would want to shroud in
and pull backwards
or smth
with moonkin or w/e
sick sentinel
hunter pull
sick sentinel
if youre los it should be fine
dire matrix
yeah
its not really a pug pull tho
doing 10 mobs into chain
or w/e
is alrdy enough for there small brains
u got andy the priest tryna battle spitefulls in the hallway
sick sentinel
i mean its gonna end up being if the casters die before you deplete your cds
sick sentinel
cuz there isnt gonna be enough interrupts one way or another
sick sentinel
i hope not
dire matrix
i would guess 30.5%
dire matrix
uh
hate to break it to you
but pwar will not feature in the mdi
they do less dmg than brm!
dire matrix
mdi isnt 26s
strong forum
Don't say squishy, cuz that's wrong
sick sentinel
what level are they running
strong forum
21
dire matrix
is it confirmed
strong forum
Time trials are open.
strong forum
You can see the times already
strong forum
Echo with a 14:30min temple
dire matrix
what ilvl are they running at
sick sentinel
i mean that sounds kinda boring tbh
strong forum
Don't have monk
dire matrix
itamae will be sad when people rub it in his face
sick sentinel
lol what
dire matrix
16minute rlp
sick sentinel
they nerfed brewmaster?
dire matrix
is jacc echos tank?
strong forum
Naowh, Meeres, zaelia, clickz and gingi
strong forum
They didn't do rlp yet
dire matrix
ye
strong forum
Echo usually focuses 3 days on 1 key
dire matrix
there arent even many 21 submissions
strong forum
Yeah, not alot of competition yet
dire matrix
or at least the difficulty
warm plinth
Yeah I just do the 2 time trial dungeons to get the banner every season. I don't do anything besides that.
strong forum
They had 20% of their dmg nerfed by 45% that just happened automatically and it got put into 10 other buttons
dire matrix
my friend said it was same but more rotational
dire matrix
ye
last nova
i have a question
dire matrix
but as ive not played brm i wasnt sure how much it was
strong forum
In AA I think we'll see maybe see bear tank
dire matrix
i redact my statements about brm being the mdi tank
last nova
in HoV how do you do the pull before 2nd boss?
dire matrix
😦
strong forum
in HoV how do you do the pull before 2nd boss?
Everything together
dire matrix
everything being
strong forum
And just back pedal until dead
last nova
the 2 mini boss
strong forum
Oh
last nova
together
dire matrix
pull 2nd one when 1st one cast
last nova
how do you do it?
strong forum
You pull the storm guy into middle, wait until he is halfway through eye of the storm then pull light guy
GG
dire matrix
then when sanctify start cast move lightning guy a bit away
strong forum
Done
gloomy iris
pull the female first or the guy first？
warm plinth
You just don't want to be stuck in eye of the storm when the other one does sanctify
Aren't they both dudes? lol
last nova
ok thanks for the timings
sick sentinel
sort transmog by main and secondary colors would be great, colors on actual items, so its set to red and black, you mostly or only see items fitting that colors
last nova
half way through....
sick sentinel
thats a good idea i think
last nova
maybe i should test it out in a low key instead of Yolo'ing someone's +18 lol
strong forum
Should be acc wide
warm plinth
All transmogs are account-wide unless they're for specific classes afaik
And even then it's account-wide for those classes
gloomy iris
do you pull everything together before the two mini boss？
dire matrix
so i dont until i have mostly my gear done
i was doing this last week
i have not thought about this week hov yet
you can combine 6 and 7
strong forum
Well cuz bolstering
dire matrix
it will require your dps having eyes
strong forum
But generally you wanna do 6+7 if you wanna be efficient
warm plinth
even post nerf the purifier has a lot more HP than the others
dire matrix
and dodging 2 frontals
warm plinth
Aspirant too
dire matrix
and managing 1 interupt
dire matrix
with the hov nerfs its not strictly required until quite a high key
ok i buy many trading post items
sand mason
22/23 tech?
sick sentinel
is there a cap on how much trading post coin you can earn?
strong forum
1k
strong forum
Fuck the mount
strong forum
Tmog is the real endgame
dire matrix
theres some rly nice shields from legion
i saw on my friends pala
ashbringer?
might of been that idk
strong forum
You can't use paladin shields from legion as pwar
dire matrix
ye
ik
but it looked cool
and were talking about tmog
it was from some rare or smth he said idk
strong forum
I guess
strong forum
Do you mean bloodseekers bulwark
dire matrix
not all red
idk
i can find his armoury
maybe
idk if it shows there
truthguard
its not really red
it has some red
he wears a lot of red on his armor so i got confused
but its not the default
so idk how to show it
i didnt play legion
uncut zephyr
the edgy vibe makes me think it's a pvp color
halcyon dust
so spell block worth in RLP?
sick sentinel
so spell block worth in RLP?
100%
dire matrix
i always liked pala artefact shield anyway
not taking spellblock in rlp is asking to die to 1st boss
hardcore
strong forum
1st boss is kinda whack
dire matrix
ah yes 250k frostbolts
strong forum
The huge spell queueing works quite in your favour
cloud umbra
4 sucks
dire matrix
i would have to check logs for frequency
cloud umbra
always happens when healer has to run the circle out
strong forum
And the healer is an evoker
cloud umbra
yes
strong forum
dire matrix
you can have defensives up for most of them with good dps to phase
but man
when u have to tank 3 in a row
its a bad time
ive died with that boss at sub 5%hp way too many times
cloud umbra
you are begging her to start the whelp phase
cedar trench
does raz parry? i was in a pug last night and they wanted to face boss to group whole time
dire matrix
ur just gonna have to walk around if u face away loads
awfull
huh
not seen that b4
its a nice addition tho
b4 u pepega buy a load of gear
mortal brook
that was for 262 right
still jackal
hey does anybody know of any spell reflect m+ guides? like what spells are best to reflect etc
still jackal
oh cool thx
dire matrix
and a weak aura that lists spells u can when your targetted
cedar trench
Wouldn't use that WA as its not being maintained atm theres a bunch on wago that you can use
dire matrix
good for learning what u can
i did notice mine is missing some stuff that its good to use on
vernal sky
regarding RLP 2nd boss, should I delay my Demo Shout slightly so that it covers the entire bleed duration or use it as soon as the boss uses its Tankbuster?
seems to me the bleed is more problematic than the actual tankbuster for pwar
fluid shard
eyyyyy we did it
fathom goblet
Hey
Anyone knows if that ring from cobalt reputation that gives a 70k shield from time to time. Does it works like ignore pain for example if I have 100% life does it absorve damage before I start loosing life ?
warm plinth
Anyone knows if that ring from cobalt reputation that gives a 70k shield from ti...
It works like any absorb. Ignore Pain is an exception, not a rule. If you have a 70k shield from the ring, then take a 70k hit, you'll consume the absorb and take 0 damage.
fathom goblet
@warm plinth what I meant is that if I have 100% health and the shield proc
Will it still absorve the 70k before it start consume my hp
Or do I loose the shield if my hp is at 100%
ornate carbon
Will it still absorve the 70k before it start consume my hp
Will only consume your house if it is a big bad wolf.
fathom goblet
?
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> what I meant is that if I have 100% health and the shield...
Absorbs don't care what your health is. They don't work any differently when you're at 100% vs when you're at 1%
bright citrus
does the Eranog ring work in Aoe?
fathom goblet
I know this ring is a bit under lvl but it seems soo good
mortal brook
does the Eranog ring work in Aoe?
its a single target debuff on 1 target per proc
bright citrus
its a single target debuff on 1 target per proc
I'm trying to figure out if I want to take it or a 418 Signet of Melandrus
mortal brook
sounds simmable
bright citrus
You're not wrong, but the signet sims better in AOE and I wasn't sure if the proc worked in AOE. Just trying to understand the sims better.
mortal brook
zealous grove
Can someone please link me the macro that pummels your focus target if you have one, otherwise just pummels your current target
i cannot for the life of me find it
fathom robin
Is 30k DPS a decent number to shoot for in m plus? Or should this be higher?
jade widget
anyone have any suggestions on macros for IP
urban portal
You're not wrong, but the signet sims better in AOE and I wasn't sure if the pro...
the proc is exclusively st
urban portal
Is 30k DPS a decent number to shoot for in m plus? Or should this be higher?
def higher
covert aurora
in prot tree, why not bolster, or spell block, or alclarity (5% more healtha nd armor) ?
urban portal
you already have 100% uptime on block so no bolster
spell block is case by case
alacrity is just not very good
fathom robin
def higher
Like 40k or 50k? I mean higher the better, but at what point can I say "I've arrived" so to speak
urban portal
well m+ dps is really about pulling bigger
covert aurora
@fathom robin aoe or single target ?
urban portal
the ability to pull bigger gives you more dps
fathom robin
<@229089712005054464> aoe or single target ?
I guess I wasn't specific. What would be acceptable for each?
covert aurora
also, why not disrupting shout? aoe stun seems like it would help big in M+? well, I guess with pugs, team interupsts not as much an issue?
amber siren
It can be useful, but you can't grab everything which is why it's situational
scenic mural
You should be doing 30k overall in blues and greens at 340
cedar trench
modest gulch
also, why not disrupting shout? aoe stun seems like it would help big in M+? w...
I use it, and top all interrupt charts. The reality though is that you already have shockwave, pummel, and stormbolt. Accomplishing high keys should bot involve carrying that hard.
worldly jackal
I train my whlpling haste yeah
modest gulch
I didn't even mention War Stomp if you're a Taren
tame jasper
I use it, and top all interrupt charts. The reality though is that you already ...
and shockwave, stormbolt (and War Stomp) are stuns. Disrupting should is not, so it's on another DR-Counter
same as intermidating shout
nimble laurel
That's exactly why I take Int Shout
sand mason
Almost timed a 22 halls... Died on Odyn @ like 81%. However, Its the first dungeon I logged and I felt like I played pretty clean. But, looking to improve yet. Any big gamers wanna peep the log and lmk if anything is standing out? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DjNQbL4TgY193GJF/#fight=last&type=summary&source=3
warm plinth
I train my whlpling haste yeah
or ST, yes
modest gulch
and shockwave, stormbolt (and War Stomp) are stuns. Disrupting should is not, so...
Yea man, trying too hard just doesn't work. I think we're saying the same thing.
warm plinth
Almost timed a 22 halls... Died on Odyn @ like 81%. However, Its the first dunge...
1.) Tons of wasted rage.
2.) I have no idea how you had 95 free globals to Heroic Throw with
3.) All CDs are on the low side. Should be able to get 61 demo/SC in 46 minutes (-5 or so for running and shit); you had 39/40. TR and Ravager are a bit low too; missed approximately 8 casts of those (again, -a few for running and shit). You also probably missed a cast or 2 of whetstone but that's within the error range probably.
4.) You only used Blazebinder's 8 times (2 min CD, 46 min dungeon)
Those are my immediate findings after 5 mins or so
modest gulch
Almost timed a 22 halls... Died on Odyn @ like 81%. However, Its the first dunge...
Really good effort man
modest gulch
1.) Tons of wasted rage.
2.) I have no idea how you had 95 free globals to Her...
How did you generate this list? Asking from a self improvement perspective.
silent anchor
1.) Tons of wasted rage.
2.) I have no idea how you had 95 free globals to Her...
That name hahahaha
warm plinth
1.) Resources>Change dropdown to Rage>look at wasted column
2.) Casts>he had 95 casts of Heroic Throw
3.) Dungeon length divided by CD of each CD (e.g. 46 minutes / 1.5 min = ~30). Obviously you can't always use CDs on CD if you're running or whatever so you have to adjust for that
4.) Casts>8 casts of 'Bound by Fire and Blaze'
Sorry meant to reply to you @modest gulch
warm plinth
That name hahahaha
😉
burnt wren
do i stance dance or just sit in defensive?
modest gulch
Thank you
warm plinth
Sit in Battle. Use Defensive if you need to for tankbusters
silent anchor
😉
One way to get the point across 🤣 such a shit talent
Defensive stance is a DR. Not perma stance
burnt wren
10-4 ty
silent anchor
I figured it was a good way to make my point known
modest gulch
Defensive stance is a DR. Not perma stance
I was 2200 befor I was forced to acknowledge this.
With 8/8 heroic aotc clear
silent anchor
I have been moaned at in keys as low as 15 for not being in def stance. To sit in it a full run is not clever and will hurt your damage alot
modern brook
IDT thats a crazy amount of wasted rage for a 46 minute dungeon fwiw
i mean obviously ideal is 0
silent anchor
Then I do 22s without def stance hit once 🤣
fallen pulsar
People really do try to coach people on their class without likely knowing how to even play their own
modest gulch
I'm at the +18 level, I find that I only "need" defensive stance in giga pulls or large mitigation situations.
warm plinth
IDT thats a crazy amount of wasted rage for a 46 minute dungeon fwiw
I wasn't intending to mean that it's a crazy amount, but it is an area he can improve, which is what he asked for.
modern brook
I wasn't intending to mean that it's a crazy amount, but it is an area he can im...
yah yah
warm plinth
Maybe tons was a bad way to word it lol
modest gulch
People really do try to coach people on their class without likely knowing how t...
I'm just here for help homie. You've been very helpful to me.
modern brook
i didnt math it but it looks like 10-13ish
which can and shuold be lower
but
looking at deaths
id say you didnt time this cause dps like standing in frontals
warm plinth
This is my favorite death. Only a tad bit of overkill
modern brook
id say you didnt time this cause dps like standing in frontals
im actually retarded and am looking at deaths ina different key
modest gulch
Valuing a good death is PEAK pagan mindset.
fallen pulsar
I'm just here for help homie. You've been very helpful to me.
I meant the people sayingg to dstance in a 15
Lmfao
modest gulch
🙂
silent anchor
I'm at the +18 level, I find that I only "need" defensive stance in giga pulls o...
Don't even really need it on giga pulls unless you are gonna be in danger, bolster, big hits that can't be cc'd or interrupted. Then back into bstance for some slice and dice
modern brook
for as long as block is as op as it is
you wouldnt need to be in dstance because you pulled a lot, tbh
you would need it if u pulled a lot and theres a lot of randy casts
or other non-blockable damage
sick sentinel
Add on for telling you what can/when to spell reflect? 👀
modest gulch
Don't even really need it on giga pulls unless you are gonna be in danger, bolst...
Maybd its only in situations where I don't trust the healer then
modern brook
but as it is most trash melee damage is being reduced by 80+ just for existing in your vicinity
silent anchor
Maybd its only in situations where I don't trust the healer then
Honestly. Don't need a healer
modest gulch
Hard pill to swallow if true
silent anchor
You don't tbh. If all the important casts r being stopped, youre doing your rotation properly. Don't need healed
modest gulch
I mean I agree in most situations and I mostly "outheal" fhe healer but... and its a big but... I can't envisions running high M+ without a healer.
Am I fucked?
modern brook
I'm zooming through most of this
i see very little wrong
small route optimzations at best, ultimately yall lost this key cause u wiped on odyn which is a bad move
froma tank perspective most you coulda done is rallyed the brand
warm plinth
Brand can go fuck itself 🙂
modern brook
this is just an uncomfortable amount of spears of lights tbh
sand mason
1.) Tons of wasted rage.
2.) I have no idea how you had 95 free globals to Her...
I struggle with wasted rage for sure. I know press IP off gcd but need to be better.
I appreciate the insight and will put it to use!!
modern brook
brand deaths i give a pass, that mechanic is toxic af
modest gulch
Wiping on Odyn happens for 2 reasons only... imo.
- you didn't kill the add
- you didn't tank boss in mid so you can get to the portals
warm plinth
Yeah that kinda reads as people being greedy or something
Idk how you get hit by that mny spears
many*
modern brook
yall wiped cause you got hit by spears which really shouldnt be the reason
its hard to see the exact fight from logs
if u have videos of that i can give positioning etc tips
warm plinth
Yeah M+ replays are sketchy at best
modern brook
but "dont stand in shit" isnt something you can out tank
modest gulch
its hard to see the exact fight from logs
Nah, replay exists
sand mason
They do aoe damage when they spawn
modern brook
yeah replay doesnt show spear locations
sand mason
So my healer says
modern brook
They do aoe damage when they spawn
i dont think its party damage
p sure its only if ur in the swirly
sand mason
When we went back, I wasnt standing in swirly confirmed and payed attention and I took damage when they spawned
I rallyed and we lived (when there was like 6 spears down going into 2nd angel phase
modern brook
When we went back, I wasnt standing in swirly confirmed and payed attention and ...
i literally just finished a 21 hov earlier today and didnt even notice the party damage
modest gulch
Anyone know a discord for tanks that are looking for a guilx btw?
modern brook
modest gulch
ok, ty
sand mason
i literally just finished a 21 hov earlier today and didnt even notice the party...
Maybe if one person takes damage everyone does? I was get slammed when the spears spawned lol
modern brook
i was dpsing so its possible i was just dps brained
modest gulch
I made a promo post in general, did I fuck it up?
modern brook
Maybe if one person takes damage everyone does? I was get slammed when the spear...
I am curious if you have vods of the fight
i think the logs' timings are scuffed
remote pumice
Good morning
modern brook
cause numberrs look very weird
remote pumice
Quick question. Are you guys pugging Keys or always pre-made?
Having hard time now to go up in io at 2.2. Seems always atleast one dps that's really off
modern brook
I dont solo q for 16s, or anything higher than a 19
modern brook
The 16-17 range is very saturated with bad players cause of the focii
sand mason
I am curious if you have vods of the fight
No. That’s the next step for me. Trying to push for title and going to log and vod to improve
modern brook
No. That’s the next step for me. Trying to push for title and going to log and v...
Fwiw I think you and your group did thay key very well
Maybe just have a stronger plan for handling 2nd set of spears going into ofyn next time
silent anchor
Having hard time now to go up in io at 2.2. Seems always atleast one dps that's ...
Pugged 20s.
sand mason
Fwiw I think you and your group did thay key very well
Thank you, if I rally we time.
But, still want to make better adjustments. Gonna set out to demo/sc more and waste less rage 🙂
modern brook
💪
cinder nova
How the fuck do I get more uhhh...
Sparks. I have done all the quests and got the thing
But I haven't seen a single extra spark
modern brook
Dirt :^)
The proc rate from the thing is such that the expected gain is still roughly 1 every 2 weeks from what I heard
stuck sequoia
rough egret
i was doing this last week
Can someone explain me how to pull those two (8) together and not kill your party?
lavish token
Can someone explain me how to pull those two (8) together and not kill your part...
Pull Storm Mini Boss to the center => wait till channel is halfway through => pull other mini boss.
This way those casts are desynced and not happen at the same time.
rough egret
Alright
lost ocean
Has anyone done the math on Heavy Repercussion versus Into The Fray? I feel like getting the extra 2 rage and extending shield block is advantageous, but I'm wondering what 10% haste translates into for us since we're not inherently a class built around much damage output
hardy snow
ITF gives more dmg if you can keep it all time maxed, for example in raid
cinder storm
Yes, ITF gains value once you have 40% haste unbuffed
lost ocean
Holy crap - 40%?
cinder storm
Yes, or in raid, but in m+ you need 40%
hardy snow
Holy crap - 40%?
it's because ITF gives you flat haste percentage point, and with gear going from 40->50 is way harder (if not impossible) than for examlpe from 15 -> 25
lost ocean
I mean - I'm starting to get stacked with Haste gear and I'm only hat 29% at a 404 iLevel. I'm trying to figure out how I'd even get the rest of that
cinder storm
Rings and gear
stiff gate
man 2nd boss RLP is just destroying me this week
just bricked a 23 cuz i died through shield wall and d stance to the tank buster 😦
tulip kelp
Did you use the goji berries
stiff gate
the what
tulip kelp
There’s berries in the bushes you pick that make you immune to bleeds
hazy sluice
lost ocean
Did you use the goji berries
lean gale
You are joking?
lean gale
man 2nd boss RLP is just destroying me this week
Evoker Heal is key for this week, i think. The remove Bleed is really helpful
compact dove
And being a dwarf
stiff gate
yeah i used dwarf racial on one, but 2min cd
compact dove
If you used all your Defensive correctly and still dying because of the bleed blame the healer 😂
lost ocean
"It is better to dwarf once than to never dwarf at all" - Janet Jackson
tired ice
Evoker Heal is key for this week, i think. The remove Bleed is really helpful
Dps Evoker can remove it too, it's a class talent
lean gale
Dps Evoker can remove it too, it's a class talent
Yes they can 🙂 But every evoker DPS i ask in keys dont do it xD
sick sentinel
1min
jagged pier
1 min
tired ice
Yes they can 🙂 But every evoker DPS i ask in keys dont do it xD
Skill issue
unreal trellis
Hey guys, I have a potentially silly question. How do you all deal with gearing and running an off spec? I've been dipping my toe into prot but want to try out the DPS specs also, but I'm worried because dumping sparks into prot would mean my DPS gear would be missing crafts etc. Anyone advise on how to best manage this?
lean gale
Skill issue
ye i know. even in 23 Keys they dont do it. Why? dont know
hardy snow
Hey guys, I have a potentially silly question. How do you all deal with gearing ...
just dont give f about it, gear main, offspec is just offspec
limpid anchor
Hey guys, I have a potentially silly question. How do you all deal with gearing ...
Dps and prot use the same gear :>
You gonna craft lariat anyway, and second would be frost fire which is good for both
And you can have 4 additional sparks if you get 1 drop, so weps are covered as well
unreal trellis
Okay cool. Guess I'm worrying for nothing. I went Haste/Vers for my lariat which should do well enough for Fury. Less worry more pew pew
Thanks guys!
unreal trellis
You gonna craft lariat anyway, and second would be frost fire which is good for ...
Thanks!
real kelp
Hello fellow Warriors!
Is somebody aware of what the Ruby Whelp Shell needs to be trained in for m+ to have the most value for Prot?
jagged pier
ST
real kelp
even for m+ then?
jagged pier
yes
real kelp
kk thx mate much apreciated
brittle silo
Hey guys, I have a potentially silly question. How do you all deal with gearing ...
craft 1h+shield with sparks. Run keys in arms lootspec (so u dont waste loottable on 1handers). Same for vault. And as someone spoke above. Lariat + belt for embelishment if u plan on offspecing as dps and u're not drowning in sparks.
unreal trellis
craft 1h+shield with sparks. Run keys in arms lootspec (so u dont waste loottabl...
Great advice, appreciate it 👍
tropic cobalt
Dosnt the shield count as embilishment?
brittle silo
primal molten? No
tropic cobalt
Well fuck, i thought i did and craftet other belt last night
brittle silo
smh works 😄
tame jasper
Dosnt the shield count as embilishment?
only if you put an embellishment on it
"Build in"-Embellishments are things like Lariat or Frostfire Belt
Engi Tinker slots do NOT count as embellisment
so you can have 2 embellishments + engi bracers with CR
brittle silo
sophic writ on a 418 wep
I put it while weap was still 395. Forgot about that kekw
jagged pier
only 421 strike twice is better than that
brittle silo
Ye, I had to drop fang adornment for the exact reason above. I like to zugzug as fury ^^
hardy snow
only 421 strike twice is better than that
or any other 421 :p
tame jasper
Whats wrong with sophic? wowhead guide suggests it (icyvein does not 😄 )
brittle silo
But opening vault as prot seems as a big nono to me. Still waiting for my windscar
brittle silo
Whats wrong with sophic? wowhead guide suggests it (icyvein does not 😄 )
devotion >> writ
tame jasper
ah that u mean ^^
hardy snow
Whats wrong with sophic? wowhead guide suggests it (icyvein does not 😄 )
"sophic" is not an issue, writ is 😄
jagged pier
or any other 421 :p
meh who cares if its a normal wep
brittle silo
fang embelish was like 2% dps iirc in a keys. Guess that strike twice would be similar, but no sims done so can't say for sure.
Maybe on wed i'll get my 421 windscar so I can open back in prot 
hardy snow
fang embelish was like 2% dps iirc in a keys. Guess that strike twice would be s...
you can open as fury, that gives chance for both trinket and 1h weapon
brittle silo
you can open as fury, that gives chance for both trinket and 1h weapon
Actually true, and no shields in a loottable
vestal lintel
Strike Twice only drops under protection spec though right?
jagged pier
fury as well
lean gale
Frozen deviation is now recomended by the wowhead prot guide?
vestal lintel
Looked at the loot table in NO and it disappears under Fury
warm plinth
Looked at the loot table in NO and it disappears under Fury
🤔
vestal lintel
Strange, happy with that though!
warm plinth
baby woyer is a 2pc gamer now
sweet summit
rough egret
Do i have to lvlup eng if i want that battle ress wrists?
warm plinth
I don't believe so. Just a crafted item like anything else
rough egret
But i have to be engineer to use it right
warm plinth
No
I believe engineers have another slot they can make it on that's specific to them
But pretty sure anyone can use the wrists
sick sentinel
Question on warriors in twinking (yes ik why twink) I kinda just wanna feel nostalgic n all that
It be prot
visual canyon
I got a LFR 382 Whispering INcarn Trinket and a Blazebinder's Hoof 398 which one should i change for 389 Decoration of Flame?
rough egret
Use hoof and decoration
orchid frigate
tried the beer trick in halls. threw a beer on one of the minibosses (2nd to left) and dragged the leftmost miniboss upon it. they started to fight but suddenly the leftmost one reset(?). what did i miss to do?
or maybe it was the one i threw the beer at that became inactive
lofty widget
gotta talk to it again to activate it
tulip kelp
Impossible to do more than 2 at once right? Someone was telling me 4 was possible but I didn’t think so
lofty widget
you can do all 4
amber siren
You can, just needs coordination
twilit siren
If someone use a Spark of Ingenuity to craft an item (boots) and now he dont like it. Can he get the Spark of Ingenuity back somehow???
potent ember
If someone use a Spark of Ingenuity to craft an item (boots) and now he dont lik...
Unfortunately no, i threw away one kinda like that too
Whats worse is that now you dont get one weekly, you gotta farm it from ingame content. It kinda sucks for me, because i havent seen bottled essence yet and i am very active
jagged pier
u got 1 every 2 weeks
tulip kelp
you can do all 4
How? 3 beers at same time? And talk to 1, bring to 2, then 3, then 4? And then go talk to 2, 3, and 4?
silent anchor
How? 3 beers at same time? And talk to 1, bring to 2, then 3, then 4? And then g...
There's videos bro
amber siren
How? 3 beers at same time? And talk to 1, bring to 2, then 3, then 4? And then g...
There are videos of it, requires precise timing before the pull starts as the beers will be removed as soon as you enter combat
drifting pecan
What flask u suggest for nokund? Glacial or storming?in general what type are u more confident to use normally?
jagged pier
glacial or vers
flint cliff
Any recommendations in what keys to use the double shieldwall talent and/or spellblock?
In tyrannical ruby i use double wall and spellblock. Same for temple.
Any other suggestions?
flint cliff
Yeah i edited right before your answer😆
gloomy sphinx
Academy could have some use depending on how you feel for bird boss
long bone
What would you guys upgrade with a Concentrated?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/nóztra
dry spear
is a blood DK still mandatory for diurna?
jagged pier
never was?
dry spear
i know but my raid lead starts to look at other comps and think that a blood dk can make this fight much easier. i guess beacause of the soak? we are not progging on her. we are only on dathea atm
hoary hazel
i know but my raid lead starts to look at other comps and think that a blood dk ...
its got nerfed
dry spear
nice. did you do the adds?
jagged pier
we had a 3% wipe where i took 4 tank combos in a row cause other tank died
dry spear
our comp is monk and prot too
jagged pier
nice. did you do the adds?
yes monk and bdk are better for boss
dry spear
got you. thanks.
hoary hazel
the tank slam you brought bdks for used to do like 1.5m damage now it does 500k
sweet summit
https://www.twitch.tv/blas0n/clip/CloudyOptimisticMushroomRiPepperonis-EP-bM2P_u...
blas0n 
jagged pier
this is 1 reason why i dont play with sound
blazing condor
meta is playing dialogue
drifting pecan
Guys on azure vault key, to skip the entire frog zone u need to have a rog with shroud and then potion of invisibility right?
amber siren
there's a jump skip, no shroud needed
tulip kelp
Turn around after 2nd boss and go outside and jump down
last vessel
tbh my runs aren't that faster with the skip. do you win a couple minutes?
amber siren
Really depends, nice for bolstering or sanguine weeks though
sick sentinel
this is 1 reason why i dont play with sound
i play with about 10% sfx volume and like 35% music
on wow
sounds is nice, but as tank especially, the noise can get repwtitive and boring
spark cedar
Any1 looked into primordial gems
orchid frigate
this expansion has been kind of expensive. in SL i had a slow and steady income from mission table but now im just slowly going broke 😄
long bone
Worth it 100% though. Fuck that table
orchid frigate
😢
vestal lintel
Bought many o bobby coins already this season
long bone
Did anyone have an idea on what I should ugrade wit a Concentrated Primal Focus? I have Sparks ready for crafting if need be
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/nóztra
sick sentinel
my gold gunna 📉
https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Always-Has-Been.png for yogi gold lol
2 wow tokens and 200k from 2 AFP's worth 100k
but, i literal finished bomb spec, going for zapthrottle next, since i need to craft the BS hammer
drifting needle
yes monk and bdk are better for boss
Wtb either so I didn’t have to tank boss and grey parse our kill 
jagged pier
im with yu on normal and hc
sick sentinel
unlocked all the teleport pads
hardy snow
unlocked all the teleport pads
goodjob 
eager phoenix
tied to expedition rep
rough egret
Ah :D there goes my rep status :D
I hope they will not decide that it will matter at some point
sick sentinel
spark cedar
🤮
steep wraith
DE has weekly quests in their base too
sick sentinel
except for like first week or 2, i do all world quests until i get a reward box, or i get exalted
the raft camera quest is the easiest shit ever
jump on raft, point camera at birds n shit, spam take picture, +250 DE rep
literal 15 second quest some times
idle quartz
Hey guys! I had a quick question and possible theorycraft. How necessary are offensive cooldowns, and damage related talents, to prot warriors? When the main goal of a tank is to soak damage, and generate threat (which is so easy you don’t really have to think much about it…) why spec for DPS at all? I know it helps with threat but… threat seems to be a nonissue in Dragonflight. Hope this doesn’t seem like a stupid question!
wraith niche
Youre thinking about it from the wrong angle. The idea is that if we survive anyway, why wouldnt we spec for more damage?
rough egret
More dmg is more fun 🙂
eager phoenix
Its the same question for healers, when there isnt any healing checks to meet on parts of bosses and trash, you aren't supposed to let go for keyboard and wait. You deal dmg.
quiet monolith
For m+ every bit of damage really counts and adds up
eager phoenix
The tank "fix" comes from thinking about pull tempo, positioning, using your defensives and other microdecision when there are busters to deal with
quiet monolith
It's cliche but in m+ one of the best defenses is a very strong offense
eager phoenix
Tank just being a sponge hasn't really been a thing since classic
quiet monolith
Faster you end the fight the better
idle quartz
Great answers you guys! I appreciate the input 😁
eager phoenix
warrior gameplay is a feedback loop anyways, you deal more dmg you can be more effective sponge
gilded epoch
Brothers... please give me pug friendly route for AV... I do not believe frog skip is the play cuz ppl are kinda meh in pugs...
sick sentinel
yeah dude, doing world quests has given me so many supplies
quiet monolith
Brothers... please give me pug friendly route for AV... I do not believe frog sk...
What key level ? Just do a normal route and make up time by big pulls
After the second boss as you go down the stairs you should pull everything into that room and do it in one pull. After that do everything leading down to the second room in another pool
Then do the final room in a third pull
Doubling up pack + patrol on the platforms is a big time saver if it can be handled by your pug
stray dome
How do you guys manage stances? Are you switching alot between the two in M+?
Beginner to prot and this seems a bit daunting
inner hound
until about 20 you just perma battle stance
quiet monolith
If it feels daunting just sit in Prot
inner hound
then you start swapping to it for mechanics sometimes
quiet monolith
In general it feels like if you are going to die through defensives and proper planning being in defensive stance wasn't going to save you in the first place
stray dome
Ok, cool. Thx probably not gonna hit 20´s ever anyway. So people wont bash me for being perma def stance?
quiet monolith
I would be shocked if anyone in under an 18 key even mentions it
amber siren
99.9% of your pugs won't even know what a stance is
gloomy seal
Only swap to Def if you’re getting crushed. Always be battle to be pumping.
eager phoenix
playing in defensive stance can make you not notice fuck ups, like standing in shit or eating frontals you could've dodged or used abilities against
gloomy seal
Especially below 20s.
quiet monolith
If you are doing pugs being safe is always better so there is no shame in just sitting in defensive
eager phoenix
take last pack in tjs, no need to defensive stance if you use your toolkit
sure, def stance once your out of juice and shit isnt dead but then your prolly kiting anyways
treat defensive stance like a cd, you got nothing else and shit looking spicy swap
wraith niche
I started off mainly in def stance using battle stance as an offensive button when i felt safe. As i hit around +8ish keys i was more comfortable with prot and tanking in general so i started being mainly in battle stance and seeing def stance as a defensive button when needed
quiet monolith
For anything other than the most optimal players that understand all of the mechanics in play and what mobs do what when, I think sitting in defensive stance is completely acceptable and doesn't hurt at all
stray dome
OK thanks all for advice
quiet monolith
If you know the mechanics and the fights well defensive stance can be ignored for the most part
But if you don't know the mechanics well
Or are learning
I'd sit in d
stray dome
yea learning atm, looking at routes etc.
so might start off in def stance and use battle when more comfortable
shut cradle
I started off by just using battle when avatar was up and sitting in defensive otherwise.
dawn geode
Naw sit in battle switch to defensive on problem packs or bosses(like kungfu lady, crawth)
Boulderman in rlp
errant cipher
what trinkets should i be looking for? how good is scale?
amber siren
there's a good list in the guides in the pins
eager phoenix
raid on-use: boon, torch
raid passive:all-totem
m+ choice: whetstone>blazebinder's hoof>ruby whelp
shut cradle
Are there any resources specifically for raid tanking as a prot warrior? I've checked through tank notes and raid tips on wow head/icy. I'm comfy in M+ with prot but having a few issues raiding.
eager phoenix
prolly the str wins out on 402 rumbling over 395 all-totem but you can sim. whetstone is a lock
eager phoenix
errant cipher
prolly the str wins out on 402 rumbling over 395 all-totem but you can sim. whet...
sim is strictly dps tho
eager phoenix
yeah you want to juice your dmg
gilded epoch
After the second boss as you go down the stairs you should pull everything into ...
I'll try in a 20
sick sentinel
What embelishments besides lariat would you use if u can't get a diurna mythic ring? Its heroic/normal competitive or just go frostfire belt without ring?
or just go lariat + versa bracers without diurna ring?
dire matrix
the ring isnt anything insane
the shield is pretty low
the eranog ring is way better
all the embellishments are around 1% gain
sick sentinel
I see all running frostfire + diurna ring but for me its not an option.
dire matrix
all being who
sick sentinel
top 50
sick sentinel
prob, but why force belt interaction with mythic diurna ring
dire matrix
why not
sick sentinel
can just get raiding mythic belts.
dire matrix
if ur gonna equip it you should get the proc
and the belt does dmg
embellishments are all roughly equal
and if u can get eranog ring its good dmg
and our only way to proc
so a lot of people chose it as a safe bet
i really wouldnt overly fret
dire matrix
the shield has an icd of 30s iirc
so you can math the hps pretty easily
there is a post about embellishments in pins
dusky canopy
I’m doing lariat and Vers bracers myself
dim silo
if versality = critical, should we have the same amount stats on both slot?
dire matrix
that doesnt matter
dim silo
yeah i'm at 30% haste
dusky canopy
Crit/haste gang
dire matrix
or the other way round
inland raft
Even mastery being the weakest stat doesnt mean its bad per se just stack ilvl then haste then prefer crit/vers but its whatever
fading rover
why do so many m+ builds drop the enduring alacrity node isnt it pretty good since it scales with other armor/and the strength through armor node?
inland raft
Its low value, andy runs it because he plays max survival but 99.9% of time a talent like battering ram is better cuz more damage
dire matrix
not running thunderlord seems kinda troll to me
inland raft
The aa speed increase also means a lot of ss resets which means more rage for ip which means more am fuel as well
Thunderlord is pretty meh
dire matrix
you get demo up a lot more
dusky canopy
I try to use thunderlord sometimes I don’t like demo un synced
inland raft
And then hold it because its desynced from cds or you want to use it as a defensive anyways
Its not a bad talent just kinda meh
inland raft
Ya but then your holding it for a buster so still lowers its value
eager phoenix
if your not dropping demo on cd with tl the talent did nothing
dusky canopy
If you’re running bv you probably don’t want to un synce
inland raft
Bird boss is just buiod ip and bank rage before each bleed and wall when its happening during big group damage
solemn current
not running thunderlord seems kinda troll to me
Doesn’t reduce demo that much especially on ST. TL is technically better defensively but only slightly. Battering Ram gives rage through auto attacks and syncing Shield Charge and Roar into demo shouts is a pretty big dps gain. Battering Ram also just makes bosses feel better.
dire matrix
nerf dropped the wall talent in cos
interesting
ik it doesnt do much on st
its mostly for aoe
inland raft
Cos and sbg can afford to go pure damage; nok too tbh
sick sentinel
huh
dusky canopy
Sbg is super free until last boss apparently lulul
sick sentinel
first boss is tank buster boss
dire matrix
has the aoe + the stacks
but u can sr some
i like being also able to wall
idk
i wouldnt drop the wall talent in sbg
neither does nerf
he literally only did it in cos
inland raft
Sbg first boss really only foes big damage coming out of eclipse when she has stacks and does aoe pulse right after
solemn current
Doesn’t do much for AoE either though compared to what it used to. Just desyncs it from your cooldowns for a slight defensive gain in AoE. Personally I prefer the way Battering Ram feels on bosses than TL feels in AoE.
round pendant
Battering Ram is pog
dire matrix
i hadnt tried br
dusky canopy
On a 20 tyr this week you can survive first boss sbg with 1 spell reflect and dstance each stack of 3
If you care about your healer press more buttons
round pendant
What are you trying to do then
inland raft
I wall coming out of eclipse even though not really needed just to make heals life easier
dire matrix
honestly when i was reading nomes talents
it didnt look properly at his preffered build
or he changed it
inland raft
But ya its more of a healer fight then tank with the aoe damage
dusky canopy
Whim..
dusky canopy
I promise you nome and Jakey know exactly what they’re talking about
dire matrix
i dont eveb know waht this convo is
i didnt say they didnt
i said they either changed it after i looked
due to the changes
solemn current
i hadnt tried br
Just drop TL for a few dungeons and go battering Ram. Try to sync your demo shouts with Shield Charge and Roar. You probably won’t even notice the slightly more uses of demo shout, but you will notice the constant shield slam procs.
dire matrix
or i misread/lookeda t general purpose
yeah im willing to try it
thats why im talking about it
and looking at other tanks runs
and noticing choices
inland raft
Ya br is lowkey a pretty solid defensive cuz the ss resets
dire matrix
as they are interesting
inland raft
Lots of rage for ip on stuff like bird boss
dire matrix
yeah 23/24 aa bird was sounding like a rough time
i was praying healer carries
cant do more than spread defensives
inland raft
Ya I’ve literally just spammed ip/ss macro through entire bleeds before from constant resets
dire matrix
but maybe talent change will help
i knew thunderlord wasnt good on bosses
would people swap back to thunderlord on hard trash fort dungeons tho
is the question
round pendant
thunderlord sucks
solemn current
I haven’t found a single warrior in groups that can do more damage than me using TL. I did some testing with both at the start of the xpac and I just couldn’t get behind thunderlord. Didn’t notice it defensively even on trash, overall was noticeably lower, and bosses felt worse.
subtle sparrow
I don't use thunderlord
inland raft
Tl is pretty meh even on high fort you manage stops and defensives properly and worst case you move a little bit to stagger out incoming melees not full on kiting just kinda shuffling to keeps mobs moving
We take so little damage outside bleeds/magic which are mostly stoppable
subtle sparrow
Really noob question, does a better shield increase your damage?
subtle sparrow
Would be cool if it scaled with shield slam
lofty widget
Like Any other item
inland raft
But its highest prio slot cuz reduces damage intake
Which indirectly leads to more dam
subtle sparrow
Going to try crafting a shield myself, but because leveling crafting professions was so cancer at the beginning I still got green profession items
solemn current
would people swap back to thunderlord on hard trash fort dungeons tho
If you’re already giving up good talents just trying to live maybe, but I don’t. At least up to 20/21s you don’t need to do that and I’m not one to kite much
fallen pulsar
<@158390729725575168>
Hell yeah, thats some nice slamming
subtle sparrow
Do all EU realms share AH? The BS hammer is still kinda expensive
inland raft
Only time i kite is stuff that has huge tank buster hits like shieldmaidens or the like and only need to range their casts and go back in
deft mortar
Yall think timing a AA 18 would be more points than AA 20 in 36 mins?
vocal flame
Hi all. Icy veins is saying Frozen devotion or wafting devotion for a weapon enchant. However, I’m seeing Sophic devotion on all the prot wars on radio.io for m+ that’s better how?
inland raft
Sim yourself
deft mortar
There is no scneario where anything will be better than Sophic Devotion
900 strength man
craggy kelp
is there any youtube/or any guide for each m+ dungeons as a tank?
vocal flame
Ok sounds good thank you @deft mortar
deft mortar
And I think the proc is 15 sec
solemn current
Really noob question, does a better shield increase your damage?
Technically it does. Has a large amount of armor (much more than a chest piece) which feeds into strength through a talent. So you’ve got that plus raw stats on it.
deft mortar
Imagine that first pop off with avatar and everything xd
vocal flame
Yeah I was wondering why the guide is different. Wanted to ask the experts lol
subtle sparrow
Technically it does. Has a large amount of armor (much more than a chest piece) ...
I was more thinking similar to a weapon
solemn current
I was more thinking similar to a weapon
I mean a weapon just increases damage through strength which gives attack power. Not even sure weapon damage contributes to anything these days like it used to. If a shields armor means more strength then why wouldn’t it be a reason for more damage?
For example a 324 shield is giving almost 180 strength through armor alone.
inland raft
Weapon daage still matters for melees which on st is still a decent chunk
gusty crane
anyone know if its best to upgrade a 405 crafter with embellishment to 421 or would for example a weapon be higher prio
I have like 6 405 crafted, and have 1 concentrated primal focus to use on one of them
buoyant narwhal
i went shield to 418 first, then weapon. No embells on them, have a 405 lariat and unstable belt left to upgrade
sick sentinel
i spent valor on not shield for some reason
thin cedar
this isnt really prot related.. but is there a community for selling keys?? i need some gold
rough egret
is there any youtube/or any guide for each m+ dungeons as a tank?
Naowh, Tactycs, Quazil, Lepan
amber siren
congrats
uneven ice
And a RLP +15
In 68 minutes
I was AMAZED anyone left
And after 12 wipes on second boss, finally I got a decent trinket. Hoof 402 is better than resonant aunt 379, even with the strength loss?
It is a lot of haste, that’s for sure
bitter lion
is there any youtube/or any guide for each m+ dungeons as a tank?
I like HAwk. Its timed runs with written explanations of each mobs/boss
uneven ice
We’got an evoker that refused to dispel my dot
He didn’t left after 12 wipes, so I don’t complaint
But the boss hits like a truck
final gust
may not have been specced into it for some reason
uneven ice
It is baseline
final gust
but yeah you need to be almost flawlessly rotating cds
uneven ice
Told him
final gust
oh is it? Lmao
pseudo garden
12 wipes I'm leaving after 3 lol
uneven ice
Yea, I couldn’t believe we carried on
It was fun, thought. All caps on chat when we defeated him
strong forum
If you always quit you don't learn how to deal with the encounter/situation
modern brook
searing blow is a bleed im p sure
strong forum
Having bad groups is also training for yourself
modern brook
which voker does not have a dispel for baseline
uneven ice
Totally
modern brook
lmao imagine laving shadow moon
uneven ice
We didn’t even tried first boss
plush tendon
The most cursed key in my guild
woeful trellis
wow 😄
uneven ice
LOOL
woeful trellis
you went cooking in between i bet
plush tendon
you went cooking in between i bet
I did! Cause I wasnt in it; but coming and going from disc and they still in there
oh boi
woeful trellis
haha 😄 yeah just poke "youre again in a key" 😄
plush tendon
but they learned alot about themselves, friendship, and how much siege sucks
woeful trellis
we play for moments like this, if u time everytime ez wouldnt make sense
plush tendon
I play for those 1 second before untimed keys
the stress on that last boss as everyone is looking at the bosses health and the timer
you know you lost time in X Y and Z places, but you there and can time if you pump
and then you do
and its like 
woeful trellis
I play for those 1 second before untimed keys
https://prnt.sc/kSiAZ8WM4Q5M 3 of them run together at the end and died 20sec to 5 😄 thank god i can reflect dmg
plush tendon
I would love to time a key off a well done spell reflect that drops the boss to dead 1 second before timer
that epic
subtle sparrow
Does reflected spells usually show up as your damage in meters?
woeful trellis
yeah felt the adrenaline and everything
plush tendon
Does reflected spells usually show up as your damage in meters?
yea sir
woeful trellis
Does reflected spells usually show up as your damage in meters?
yes
plush tendon
Spell Reflect stonks
subtle sparrow
Noticed that the one off the last boss on Nokhud doesn't
plush tendon
it should
woeful trellis
nokhud is like 7%-9% SR
subtle sparrow
Maybe it's just Skada
woeful trellis
from ur dmg
plush tendon
conductive strike P2
plush tendon
Maybe it's just Skada
I dont use Skada... we details gamers in these parts
woeful trellis
yeah details > x
plush tendon
Details sounds like a DPS meter addon. Skada sounds like a pickled fish from Sweden
subtle sparrow
I used to run both because Detail's GUI is so horrendous
woeful trellis
wtf 😄
torn ginkgo
Dumb question time, Intervene only works on new hits onto someone, so I cant intervene dmg of a DoT for example? also doesnt work on AoE right?
subtle sparrow
AoE usually circumvents a lot of stuff, but as it's a buff on the player, not sure
strong forum
Intervene only works on physical attacks directed at the intervened target
Aoe doesn't work, if the ability is physical, you'll eat it instead
viscid plaza
Dumb question time, Intervene only works on new hits onto someone, so I **cant**...
"Intercepting all melee and ranged attacks against them," so it wont work on existing dots, no, neither will aoe
woeful trellis
Meele / Range Attacks on the target himself - dots not included
plush tendon
So far, the only use Ive found for it so far is HoV for Fenrir
Intervene the chased down target 1 second before he finishes cast
woeful trellis
yes, or this week for dumb meeles 😄
torn ginkgo
ok so you both gave different answers 😄 one said no to AoE one said AOE IF physical
woeful trellis
safed the monk 2 times in hov
plush tendon
took my group weeks to trust it
wide charm
Temple last boss