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On my own keys I generally 3 pull rule. If things are falling to shit in three pulls I offer to burn the key and lower it since it's clear we're not getting things done.
on others I try to grin and bear it and make the best of a bad situation
If the key feels completable I’m down but if it’s feeling like it’s going to be 90 minutes I’m just bouncing

ye
Is there a method of pulling trash at the beginning of Nokhud before killing the rock dragon, to keep dps alive better? Positioning or something? Anything?
the little aoe's all over the ground seem to just kill them
yeah, the archers just pump
ok, I'll try that
Of course, in nearly every pug, Skull is the last to die so....
Your mileage may vary.
Stop warspear charges and your group will stop dying as much too
Rotate your own ccs to stop archers multi shots or the volley thing they do
Bring a DK and get the archers gripped, ezpz
That helps the pulls significantly
Any1 running seal+frostfire belt?
Yer
Worth over fangs?
frostfire itself is probably equal to fang
Lusting on the first pull (the larger pat) helps too.
servers up NA
At least on my char it's about an 800 dps increase.
does ~1% damage on keys, heroic fire dmg ring ends up roughly another 1%
damn they're still showing down on the site
Yea thats pretty normal, but say by the time we clear the trash and start on the boss I almost always see 2-3 dps deaths.
probably archers like everyone was saying
On like a 20 fortified those archers are owning your group if no cc
18's are where I'm at atm
Still liquid cancer.
DPS tunneling aoe shizz while getting /fwipped to death from the shadows.
does anyone know if its possible to convert a crafted item at the creation catalyst? Like a 418 tier shoulder piece, for example.
don't need to cc, the archers put a swirly on the floor, they just need to move out of it. I know, a tall ask.
nope
no crafted equip in the catalyst.
Crafted items can't be catalyzed
still have 398 normal tier shoulders and 402 tier pants, shit won't drop
servers are up btw
a lot of it is just dps not standing in swirlies which you can't control other than stunning archers when they cast it. also make sure you're not aiming the lance dude at your melee because his autos cleave
I thought you were supposed to aim frontals at your dps/heals to help them learn situational awareness.
I play ranged when I'm not tanking and let me just say those archers aren't shit. The real problem is that charge bleed, in the packs with 2 of them I just get deleted sometimes.
Sorry to bother dunno where to ask, is there a WA to show Personals / Defensives and Healthpots / Stones on the raidframe?
Does anyone happen to have one
I can show that on raidframes? Sweet I'll have a look
Only set it up for dungeons
Cheers!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9z3tkTcbJL3feN1oxkTJYF this can be trusted? 😄
Shell is alright but it’s not our bis
probably? shell seems mediocre
str and crit stat stick, seems normal to me
Can anyone confirm if Broodkeeper Diurna's Mortal Stoneclaws magic hit, or the Crushing Stoneclaws DoT afterward is reflectable or deflectable with Spell Reflect? Or just the 20% magic damage reduction?
Also doesn’t it depend on how you train it? Like if it’s ST then the halls trink stats would be better
Should be mitigatable with SR but don’t think you can reflect it or anything
Also mortal stone claws does both magic and physy the amount for each depends on difficulty you can check in adventure guide. I believe it’s more physical on heroic and more magic on mythic
It's a phys/magic hit, 20% dr with SR or blockable with spell block
Really spell block blocks it? That’s crazy
gosh why are the stupid mountains in thaldarsuz so damn tall
Because mountains are tall
Which orbs should you let hit vexamus to avoid bad overlaps in AA? I know you let one in late between 2nd and 3rd set
But that seemed like it created another overlap later in the fight
the real killer on those packs is the warspear charging out
also the beast master making the owl fixate kills people sometimes
I find normally the hornsounder does rally + beastmaster does fixate at the same time (ish), and I shockwave to stun both same time
other than that, focusing dps on the warspears helps, as does using stormbolt/shield charge on them to try to minimize charges
Does anybody have a list of "difficulty" for M+ with this week's affixes? Or where this list exists? I've tried to find it but have been unsuccessful.
Okay perfect, thanks
fire flail bis
Grand Hunt gives 10%
WQ don't work, queue and lose a bg is how I did it when stuck at 95
Is it worthy to pick bloodborne if you have 4p bonus to increase passive IP-gain? does this make any sens to skil such things - same as barbaric training - if u only do m+ around key level 23-24 ?! or is this just stupid? 😄
sadge
wait is the % accountwide too?
Yes
yup
You just don't have the quest on the alts
what're you dropping to get it?
tbf I need a beer b4 i run another dung tday
legit almost got hit by heimdall drake that deranged rn
i would drop Tough Nails and Punish to get Bloodborne and i would drop pain and gain or honed reflexes for barbaric
⛔
tough as nails is usually more damage than a point in bloodborne realistically
hm ok, i played a few instances and thought that the damage of bleeds just hits a massive level with this talents
and dropping punish especially on a tyrannical week sounds kinda silly
barbaric also plays pretty bad unless your rage gen is absolutely through the roof with huge pulls all the time
can u stack 2x armor spikes
Bloodbourne should be a single-point talent for the same effect as the current 2 pointer. It should also swap places with Bolster and have a direct link to it from Bloodsurge.
what do u guys sim for?
Dungeon Slice
For m+ what combination of trinkets would you guys use All-Totem, Hoof or the Decoration?
thanks for your opinion! I might overthink this one more time and maybe test it on a lower key level
assuming equal levels on all three
1, 3 and 5 Patchwerks for 1, 3 and 5 minutes
rlp is a pug crusher. 😦
that would be nice
This is de way
One of the things that annoys me about our spec tree is that it's almost impossible to really specialise, because the talents for any one possible thing are spread so widely. Like how you can't really go fully for Execute because Sudden Death, Massacre and Juggernaut are in 3 completely different columns.
Hey guys. Is there a version of the world marker makro that does not require a click but just places the marker wherever the cursor is right now?
/wm [@cursor] 1
I only ever had the one where you need to click. Quazii has a video that shows him seemingly not needing to click but when I tried it, it's pretty much the same I've been running forever
replace 1 with all the other numbers for other world markers
is there a rotating version? :<
what does rotating mean
so it automatically rotates to the next symbol.
does your current macro do that?
yep
2 mounts?
/run
local b=ActionButton8
_MH=_MH or
(b:SetAttribute("*type5","macro")or SecureHandlerWrapScript(b,"PreClick",b,'Z=IsShiftKeyDown()and 0 or(Z or 0)%8+1 self:SetAttribute("macrotext5","/wm [@cursor]"..Z)'))or 1
/click ActionButton8 Button5
I mean... that's basically what it does...
i dunno where that one come frome
Came from "mount parade"
oh yeah, that would make sense
I wonder if race changing to Undead from High Mountain Tauren was a good choice?
fucking, STONKS if you are mining
Moose is ALWAYS the correct choice.
why would you?
do you hate the free dash button? The aoe stun?
hmm, not really sure I see the value in the rotating WM macro - how do you adjust specific markers once they're down?
you dont
i just have a hidden bar with all eight bound to F1-F8
I do better the less buttons i have to press clumsy slow and small hands issue
i like putting them down for the endboss in SBG to show people which way the line will be aligned. And overall it's really nice to be able to quickly paint a trail sometimes
can do armor spikes and the infurious helm or w/e that has another damage proc from taking hits
is rumbling ruby better than decoration of flame in keys?
Prot warrior is my training wheel learn tanking the first spec i tried was BDK but that one is to complicated for novice to tanking like me
its really not though
keep up boneshield, keep up plague, hit deathstrike some times to heal
the thing is....
Wait until cloth tank is added next xpac
they have magic, but i dont really know if its magic
Offensively yes, decoration better defensively
on normal Broodkeeper, is it possible to do more than 2 eggs at a time?
And i had macro a bunch of stuff on DK im basically fucked if a spec needs more than 18 to 20 keys to play
one shieldless tank i want to try would be dh
Isn't there 3 avail beams on normal and heroic?
yes there's no punishment to do so unlike Heroic
ye cus we were hitting wall where we had boss hp down faster than we killed eggs
so wondering if theres a different route, where you do eggs faster
Assign 2 people to always pop the timer eggs and just have a warlock/hunter or someone pop a 3rd egg.
Keep in mind you might have to re-learn what eggs to pop and when. You don't want to end up with your last 2 eggs on opposite sides of the room but the add it spawns is managable anyways so 🤷
yup exactly
the issue that i i currently have that groups dont adjust to my pace and pull stuff before, is that diffcult for people to adjust to slower pace not everyone likes to be rushed
something like this maybe 🤔
your job is to go fast
your party should not be able to keep up w you
until then u will feel growing pains
not when im trying learn tanking properly i espect people to adjust to that
they wont- and if you were more experienced, you wouldnt want to be waiting for your healer or dps
that's part of tanking keys properly though
you're the pace setter to make sure the timer is beat
theres also no reason to ever stop and wait
u have heroic leap and charge
whatr u even waiting for
i play games to relax so i hate rushing with a passion and no im not even tanking m plus
yeah I mean, you might want to think hard about whether you want to tank dungeons
that was decent
If you don’t wanna keep the dungeon flowing and pulling id probably stray away from tanking, you’ll upset people either way
lol
make sure you 10s timer before every boss too in M+
u dont need to rush, but what are you stopping/waiting for anyway?
Do I really get 13% haste from ITF?
Not gonna lie, ive actually had tanks that timer before every boss in M+
I go from 34% without talent to 47% with it
im not familar with every dungeon layout yet so i need to look at the map if im not
just pull an extra pack then
right in front of u
until u deem it uneccessary
I would do some low keys to learn the routing, then on your actual pushes you'll be good
waiting to pull the right pack in non m+ is troll
double pulls are normal pulls, non double pulls are boring and will usually anger your group dps
just keep hitting stuff
does anyone know if the traders tender goes away at the end of the month... it doesnt right? We can carry balances over to the next month right?
it carries over
ITF? whats that acronym for lol
Ok thank you
into the fray
anyone else been having issues with crawth and the visuals of the fire puddles?
I had groups randomly pulling stuff i prefer when im the only one that pulls and the DPS waits till i do, should i let them die if they are not behaving?
just got killed by one that was invisible 😦
no u aoe taunt and do extra damage
if they die not following u thats their fault
Ex-Boomie, can confirm small pulls are the reason I swapped to Prot War so I can just do it myself
to be clear, you should be the only one pulling, and it would be cool if respectful dps would let you learn
i had a string of tanks in rlp when running on my mage that would pull that first giant then sit until it died
but you're going to encounter a lot of disrespectful dps and it's also a goal to up your pace
they never will so expecting them to is wrong
Mh the DDs in my last dungeon must have been asleep i outdpsed them
everyone knows you pull it with the first 3 packs, especially on bolster week so you can get one extra boss fight in the dungeon
i dont mind dps pulling extra stuff if the group (or i) can handle it
dps shouldnt be pulling
lmao shh i totally did that
i mean especially in non m+ u can pull trash to each boss
i used to race my dps there and win every time
last week I would just get it down to 60% hp or do and then pull all the rest
normal and heroic difficulty level is redic easy
even at "proper" gear level for them
yeah, if youre doing normal and heroic, you should be pulling it 1 wing at a time 😛
you're a pwar. You aint gonna die.
I dont really have the time to spare to raid on regular bases since most peoples raiding time times collide with the exact time i have my workouts at the gym
you can pug everything
or, look for guilds that raid at a time that's good for you. theres bound to be one
we talking about dungeon though
so bed time for me my arms feeling todays workout
yes
ye i got chest day after work here in an hour

^
also check bloodmallet (if it isnt still bugged)
Hey i just leveled up a prot war last week and I don't know what to get in my chest, would someone help me ?
bloodmallets gonna jerk off over boon and icon.
do u have 4pc?
so u can have 4pc w the catalyst?
Yup
Yup but isn't the ring broken ?
And rarer than grieftorch ?
(ill reclean HM every week)
tbh idk i dont raid yet
this xpac
if it is the fire ring, iirc you need the frostfire belt to make it worthwhile
Anyone know the uptime on sophic devotion in mythic plus?
i get like 23-28%
Trying to decide if I should just rock sophic or stay with frozen devotion
Pretty good uptime thank you
i normally play with wafting devotion purple rank 2
just until market booming stops
the wowhead guide best in slot for M+ pin for BiS for prot war. Also new to tanking and im loving it!
shame i cant take 10 infusions, and make them into a concentrated
follow a different guide, that guide is slighly out of date and references things that no longer exist in the game
so I'm confused. I did the catalyst quest last week, got one charge, didn't have anything to spend it on. Finished my quest this week and I still only have one charge. Is that how it's supposed to work?
guys how you tank the tree boss (academy) on high keys when you have a priest heal who can't remove the debuff? feels impossible to me.
hopefully someone in your group can dispell the debuff - i pick sometimes bitter immunity to dispell myself but its a 3min cd
dunno why academy has 2 tank intensive bosses, bird isnt full aswell.. <.<
I think Bitter Immunity can clean it if im not mistaken
hm
does any1 know what is default setting on itf on sims?
raid or m+?
so it depends on the chosen thing?
send screenshot of what ur looking at
you guys use a WA to track 2pc bonus?
I do
okay, i will take this into consideration
I track SB, 2pc and Violent Outburst
Hello folks...
I can make 1 405 item, and this is "the worst" I have to reeplace... what do you recomend?
I've heard someone else mention that. It's not how it's supposed to work.
If you don’t have lariat and a decent Wep/shield I’d do that before making a ring personally. Rings are bountiful in my experience
Thanks. I guess I'll submit a ticket
I thought this happened to me but when I went back to triple check the next charge was there. Might be eortj looking again
I have lariat, weapon and shield and 405
Grind the Cobalt Assembly ring and make boots
you have 405 unstable belt too, or just the 3 mentioned above?
thanks, I'll try that first
Well well well
Ahh if it isn't Mr Ljr
I joined the prot gang last sat
Nice man 😄 Did you play something else at the start of the expansion?
is fury still the go to dps spec or arms?
I’m a serial alter, been playing MM/demo/WW mainly. Loving prot now
Sweet, I have a 70 WW and a 70 DK for Blood/Unholy, i dont like BM so casually gearing up the DK now whenever i can stomach it lol
prot warr is great though 😄
which guide should i follow for gear BiS
Odyn seems easier
i like icy viens personally
they have easier to understand guides
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/prGXdrmPW4GWmtKVhZYJSi
yo these properly simming darkmoon decks are hot
*allegedly properly simming since today
Usually written by the same people
Hey, so I have a probably stupid question: which is more important, the gear it self(ilvl/stats) or the 4 tier set bonus? for example if i have a 418ilvl goggles, should i replace it with a 408 head for the 4tier bonus set?
Am I wrong in thinking not much really changes on heroic brood? Watched a few videos and it looks like it’s the same old thing from a tank perspective
howd you go
Some crazy things I see here
yes
guys, is it true that the tree boss in academy meeles his adds when he gets moved through them??
thats bs right
i went fury for a key and the tank was kiting the boss all the time so i told him to stop
and he told me im fucking stupid
cause the boss would hit the lashers
Lol
outside of embelishments is weapon the first non embelish item to make if you dont get one over 405?
That's a dk, nothing to see here
go for shield @normal fiber
Yeah that guy is a dumbass. I'm looking through logs and I see no evidence of that happening. He melees the tank, that's it.
thanks buddy, that would have been absolutely mind baffeling
None of his other abilities hit lashers either
Only reason to move the boss is to get him onto lashers and things if dps doesnt stack
nah he was kiting like wild the whole time
He big dumb
thats what i told him lol
The only thing that even hits lashers besides players in that encounter is the heal circle from the add, but that's generally not something you're very concerned with since the nerfs.
@warm plinth I’m going to talent barbaric training because of you now
shield is giga accessible with eranog tho
Is that one of the raid bosses i really havent raided this xpac yet
like, you can even pug mythic eranog on the smallest realms
Can anyone tell me what is best to train for ruby whelp shell
ST or haste
Foot propelling himself in a wheelchair backwards toward live train tracks
O.O
We repeat
That's a dk, nothing to see here
They are live
That guy better run
I have never been on a train
Trains are chill
Closest I've been is like a tram that goes around an airport
We don't have trains in many places in the US (at least, not for passengers)
With the 2-set, during execute phase, should Revenge still be used? Or only cast Execute?
what is ST for the ruby whelp? single target?!
too variable
gotta sim it
20ilvl on shoulders or 4set? 🤔
20ilvl on shoulders likely better offensively, 4set defensively
but with catalyst charges coming in, 4set is guaranteed soonish anyway
Take shoulders and turn them into tier.
already put my 421 gloves into tier this week :x
Dudes, is there any point in crafting eng wrists if one is not an engineer? if yes what tinker - cr seems really bad nowadays
You can turn them next week.
Hey guys what consumables do y’all use for mythic raiding? I’ve been using glacial fury and whetstone but is the chaos one and howling rune better?
Most people are using the Haste Rune IIRC, although there's not a lot in it
it's not a very high value slot to spend a spark on - I did it anyway because I wasn't seeing any wrists elsewhere, and the battle res is ok as a literal last ditch attempt, but there's nothing special about them really
im not a engi u would be surprised how many times it has saved a wipe cause heals are stupid
it's so dangerous though, don't use it to just pick up a dps or whatever since you have like a 50% chance to turn into a rat and wipe
Yeah, I am basically in your shoes. Have to change bracers, already got 2 embellishments (inf helm and shield spikes).
Wonder if I should go for eng bracers or allied (and wipe the spikes)
But the failure prevention component won't prevent this? (I have no idea how it works exactly)
I don't know the actual chances, I can only imagine if I didn't have that socketed it would be even worse
Yes
Being told to take Bitter for an 18 AA with 3 poison dispels in the party 🫠
yeah nah thanx
kek
tell him lol, cleanse more?
I was lucky enough to find a spark and going to craft a shield, any advice on stats i should pick on it.
Still just haste versa?
That's why a few stacks of into the fray
haste versa or haste crit, whichever you like really
im kinda low on crit, guess i might go with that
is there any way to track deathspike in sbg first boss or do I just pray I have spell reflect/block up
her buff shows on my nameplates 🤷
it shows the buff, not when its going to hit
like I just asked :)
Then idk what you're asking. If she has the buff, the next 3 melees do Deathspike damage
the spell book says a chance
Successful melees have a chance to apply deathspike to the boss. The actual deathspikes happen on the next 3 successful melees.
So the buff is a chance, the hits are not.
oh imagine it, and apart from spell reflecting the first one I just feel dead afterwards
Yeah healer has to be ready for it and you'll have to rotate other defensives as well
My personal favorite is when she gets the buff, I hit reflect, and she casts Whispers of the Dark right after 
There's an epic power that you can get that's effectively 100% leech as well
You heal 100% of damage done
you're an epic power

literally every time never fails 
hello, i just checked pins and couldnt find anything, apologize if this was askd before but is Strike Twice worth over the Terros haste vers mainhand? both 415
Yes
thanks alot, sims said it was btter but wanted to check. Cheers
bro is bonemaw hit box fixed? i swear revenge aint hitting this fucker
like my dps plunging to barely 25k on bonemaw
thunderclap and revenge just aint hitting
Right in his nonexistant asshole
ye ill try that, boss takes like three times as long cause shit aint hitting.
are there weakaura to reflect the daggers or something in first boss of sbg? i heard theres specific timing
if you have a player, you can see when she gets 3 stacks of dagger
On the topic of Deathspikes, now that I'm thinking about it, does someone have the spellID for her instance of it? Want to get a WA to let me know ahe has it up
maxing that armor spec tree out
Holy shit crafting profs have a lot of subspecs
some of them do, and then make you spend 40 total points to get one full ring
Yeah like, all of mine are 30-40 on first node and then 30-40 on 3-4 sub-nodes lol
And that's it
Yeah that's basically what all the gathering trees look like
Some have 4 sub-specs but that's it, no sub-sub-specs
i believe its for the major crafting professions get one like what i showed,
so like JC, LW, tailor, would all get 1 of those big ones i showed, and then also
is there a specific way to handle Hyrja on Quaking?
what's the problem with this?
Quaking and Thundering seems quite fun in some situations
quaking inside the Storm circle
storm circle on cos?
The specific way might be getting 3 rdps
You can technically spread in a way that you won't get hit if you do it perfectly 
no 2nd boss u have to stack for imps
oneshot us multiple times on a +21
no way to avoid it it seems
you can easily stay in low spread
even if i tried to time it so the Quaking happened before Storm
the 2nd Storm we would get quaking
ive done today 21 cos and this boss wasnt problem
quaking is not low spread
You don't have to like, literally stack the imps on Talixae or w/e her name is
i did COS 20 just now
Just loosely stacked is fine
we timed it
but insta wiped the first time we got Quaking lined up with imps
but COS you can line up Quaking, and it happens on every imp
so i just tried to go boss like 2sec before Quaking
so it lined up outside of imps
but holy shit Quaking just make some bosses impossible if you dont have the Quaking timer
we had like twice quaking during imps coming and there were no issues, we just spread enough to not get hit by each other quake
Quaking isnt even losely stacked
5 quaking people and ull get 1 imp in narnia
It is loosely stacked. It's only 8 yards lol. Just spread around the boss and you'll be fine
I think it's about time Quaking to get lost and finally melees don't deal with every single mf weekly affix but rather introduce something fun for hunters. Not to get bored.
I don't mind quaking. I just think the overlap shouldn't be fatal. Maybe a damage loss or something
Hey for m+ is arms or fury on top right now? or close
youre asking in #protection bro 🤔
yes
overlap shouldnt be required
i felt like there would be less bias
just remove the possibility of quaking happening on some Boss mechanics
but we dont care about fury or arms in here, we have our shields
lol
just to name a few
there was hotfix for nokhud last boss
It already doesn't trigger for last boss NO
i main prot i just want to find a seocondary spec for when my friends and i rotate out
yea last time
but its bugged again
but fair enough
i saw video from today about it
out of your list I would add hyrja storm for that
but I think bubble is big enough to handle 5 quakes
?
i did say Hyrja Storm?
Thoughts on taking bitter immunity in TJS (to help with the heal absorb) and dropping a few things like sidearm or stormbolt?
I mean, I agree Hyrja should got such hotfix
also Academy Tree boss
but imps arent really issue, especially compared to hyrja or nokhud
I wouldn't but do what you gotta do
In like 22s?
depends if you have a lot of melee
if you spread them and ur grp is full melee
you cant really kick the far ones
idk Quaking just shouldnt happen on bossfights maybe
but that would make it a non affix
it can also oneshot you on AV books i bet
and Halls portal to Fenryr
last stand
13 hours ago 🙂
so yea nokhud boss is still bugged with Quaking
also potentially an issue on SMBG Worm inhale
3rd boss AV, Quaking during shield 🙂
so many fun combos
am I weird if I prefer tyrannical over fortified
Just let yourself get succed in that case, it does basically nothing
but yeah the overlaps are painful sometimes
i feel the same
cus mobs are sleep
and bosses are sleep, but just longer
if everyone gets succed, the quaking will still kill you
so need to coordinate 1 person to go down or something
idk man
Yeah, and the adds don't take up an insane amount of time, they're already the longest part of the dungeon
so if your party kinda sucks it's still safer and more likely to time
assuming they're capable of doing the boss mechanics
idk, Tyr is just weird cus they have to tune the bosses dmg around Tyr
so it doesnt literally 1 shot people on Tyr
and then bosses just become piss easy on Fort
just means, tank correctly, kick and stun at correct times on trash, hold W
if you know the bosses, Tyr is the easiest week in my opinion
but holy shit 3min+ bossfights are boring
SMBG Worm on Tyr 💤 😴
you would think this, you would be wrong
Yes, and If there is a range DD who doesnt get close to the Boss, its even more boring
thats true until people don't do the mechanics and then 3 dps die to some circle crap
its true until the boss has a 1 shot once every minute
and u run out of cds
or if it ramps to unhealable dmg
like odyn
or simply one shots you
first boss Halls also slaps man
Tyr Horn
holy shit 🤣
was taking entire grp to 20% hp on a +20
Yeah but that's legit the only group damage on the fight so it's fine
I am surprised Darkmoon Dance + jetscale sigil is so high!
i was thinking maybe we could rotate Rally + Darkness and Personals
but holy shit he does it a lot of times during a Tyr fight
1 minute
isnt it because of the new tech?
this random +20 i found had 4x Horn 🤔
so 1 Rally, 1 Darkness, 1 Personals
and then last one? 🤔
It's every 45 seconds. It's stupid easy to heal as long as people don't outright die from it
24/25 you’re gonna get more than 4 horns unless you’re absolutely pumping dmg
yea if people are topped before
Yeah but like I said, there is 0 group damage other than that
you have 45s to heal to full
If you can't top 4 people in 45 seconds you have no business being there
thats 1 rejuv
true
and a wildgrowth
but i was in +20
and it did 80% hp
so would assume it straight up kills entire party at like 25?
Yeah so on higher keys you'd need to rotate personals/cds
it will in a 24
i believe
depending on ilvl etc
as i said before
warlock gonna take a lot to 1 hit them
hmm weird
just checked +25 log
and didnt seem like SHaman was using any defensive
and took like 210k dmg
oh it is old log from Fort week nvm 😄
odd questions for gems do we want haste/vers or the vers/haste gem?
i'm seeing mixed things on warriors for prot, thats why i'm asking
Defensively speaking, haste is a better defensive stat; look at stat prio in pins
Offensively, just sim
For those of you doing decent damage in raid, for M eranog, do you delay hitting any abilities until first set of adds come out? Or just go hard at pull?
That nack procs the second Stat, maybe thats why some go for vers/haste
Vers/haste trolling
@tulip kelp only other raid fight I can think where u might consider delaying an ability is raz, with wrecking throw ya? Make sure it lines up with boss shield. And maybe big add shield in phase 2
just got 4 set, what is vanguards determination?
the buff you get after pressing Revenge from 2piece
omg lol cant read
xd
should I change how i play then, just spam a lot more revenge?
literally only press ip if im gonna cap or capping
That is the play, you should revenge enough doing normal rotation, just keep ip to prevent capping.
hey all. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kMVx6C8NzrHTK2yn#fight=last&view=rankings
..... anyone know what I did wrong. 25 parse and it was a super clean run hit my buttons spec per wowhead. any tips would be amazing ty ty
Well step 1 is that Thunder clap shouldn't be your #1 cast on a single target fight
Step 2 is you are running booming voice but you only used Demo Shout 3 times in almost 6 minutes
Damn I parsed kinda nutty for just casually helping my friend clear Normal today
I know, normal parses
but considering I wasn't.. trying
yea i dont need demo i take no damage
with booming voice its offensive cd
Yeah that's the whole point of booming voice
Note I said you're running booming voice...it makes mobs take 20% more damage during demo shout
This is a dumb question, but i need to hard flame a guildie for being dumb. Can you block when you're stunned?
It also makes demo generate 30 rage
it seems you dont press shield slam enough, you had 13.9 cpm on SS, I've checked one of mine reports and I had 18.4
also ensure to use outburst only with SS in st fight
No, you can't block while stunned.
Thanks
Man doesn't kick the stun on brood and gets mad at me for dying
Would be kinda hard to raise your shield if you know, you can't move 😂
honestly I just kinda yolo my rotation, maybe I should learn it properly
but I'm parsing well enough and not dying so 🤷♂️
You can also practice your opener better, you've used your first shield slam 12s in the fight, thats quite late.
I feel like people underestimate shield slam until they learn that shield slam is goated
shit even if it sucked I'd be spamming it for that sweet sweet sound effect
i just searched my name and this comes up
when in doubt, press 1
You should also press Revenge more and IP less. IP should be used as a rage dump primarily unless you need it to soak a tankbuster
You're doing well at not wasting rage but you're spending it in the wrong place.
because it's true

That guy's chin is actually scary tbh
Is barbaric training just an absolute dogshit talent?

I realised that when I had it in my builds, it just makes me have less fun
also rage starving oofies
needs a buff imo

It started out at 40% increased damage, then dropped to 30, then to 25
In beta. It went live at 25%
yeah we're fine on damage
but the talent is just unfun

its only good when you are overflooded with rage
which isnt quite the case
it exchanges DPR for DPET
we may take it again in the future
but not now
any tips for 20+ nokhud?
is there a macro to swap stances?
@warm plinth I know its interesting u mention revenge more. That’s the reason my logs blow, is high logs are revenged significantly more than me, yet, I feel like I’m revenging as much as I can, but I have very little opportunity to hit it due to other abilities being off cd, ie SS TC. Only thing I can think of is this point is just do a constant spam of 1, which is my revenge button, at all times I’m not doing…something or just in between whatever
Are you running Barbaric Training
Hm I don’t see how to easily check since I’m on mobile. Here are two logs from something I posted earlier https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nJMWHdrQ9cDCX7Lx#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=126
Well, ideally you should know what talents you're running


How do you find the talents on wclogs?
Summary page
It’s been a while since I examined I honestly copied high logs for each fight recently
But I see I should have it. For dps
I was also confused that it seems to be in a lot of high dps peoples' talents
but they're prob padding with fat trinkets
According to dps logs and guides. But not according to this guys name lol
Could be my trinks sadly are mot ideal for dps
How would your trinkets impact your revenge usage
Nomeratur also doesn't think BT is good I think?
Like use Barbaric Training all you want if you're never going to press IP but you're going to run out of rage if you're needing to press IP to survive (which is the case in all but trivial content) as well outside of cooldowns. It's makes revenge an incredibly inefficient spender. You can cast 3 revenges for the price of 2 without it and you do more damage with those revenges
(total)
whats prots stat breakpoints
40% haste (from rating), which is virtually unreachable
if we have banner back
wb mast, crit, vers
BT goes crazy
none
stack vers over mast
You don't stack any stats. Equal ilevel you go for haste and whatever
Haste/crit or haste/vers are fine
guys what do u think in taking 2 bloodborne
what gems for lariat?
its tons of damage from the bleeds
If it was one point it would be a decent talent but 2 points is way too much
1 point would be awesome
i feel like same thing for 30 more rage for 2 talents in warrior
idk, overwhelming rage is just a crutch talent tbh
if we had necro banner again sure
but they seemed to have thrown away reprisal and that
You can prevent overcapping without overwhelming rage, thus it's an unnecessary talent.
The only reason to run it is to give yourself a safety net
aka a crutch talent
yeah overwhelming rage is more of a talent with necro in play
but the logic of it allows you to pool rage for revenge instead of dumping it into a potentially overcapped IP
Pooling is bad for us though because we should be virtually gcd capped. Not pressing a button likely means not activating a chance for a shield slam reset which creates a negative cycle.
yeah thats my point, you are able to send more rage into revenge instead of a potentially overcapped IP
it gets better the more rage gen we have
@warm plinth favorite talent build for having some good dps? I see noms in the pins for raid, Icey veins and wowhead of course
but in the current tier we dont need it
overwelming rage is very good compared to other options u have for that points
when i was leveling to 70 i used dance of death and sometimes storm of steel
cant really see myself dropping any of these
i think they are a bit under tuned
ravager has always been a weird spell
yeah thats 1 point
cant drop anything else on top row
and in middel row you def would not drop anything either except maybe pain and gain
yeah, leave fearing to the warlock or spriest that has 13 total armor anyways
yogi is an intimidating shout hater
right RNG
cuz they get 1 shot if they attempt to fear and get aggro lol
its yogi dont try to understand what hes saying
its like trying to understand kid with autism
so you are saying that you should let the warlock fear and get meleed once it breaks
got it
the aggro part wasn't important really
Shout isnt used as a fear anyway its for an extra stop
most would run honed instead if they have enough in group
or bounding in some dungs
bounding strides is legit
concussive and honed in some dungs lets you solo things you normally couldn't which is also a good combo, IF you need it**
Concussive what now
you know, i never considered running concussive in keys, im not sure if its a good idea though
i forgot that talent still was on the tree there
except some bosses, there is always some spell to kick
and then so its just figuring out how much uptime you can have of that reasonably
It's like, the cd reduction is so impossibly niche, especially when it competes with sidearm, which is actually a decent chunk of damage
Exactly my point
if you're playing double boomy for some ungodly reason and you know the talent can let you solo kick a mob
why wouldn't you
its a damage loss but makes life much easier
14 second CD on pummel, and if you get a kick off correctly, it gives 5% dmg for 10seconds
13 with honed
that seems strong for tyrani
for yogi i would stay with sidearm 😄
I can't think of anything off the top of my head I would ever do that for
no
i can't remember exact mobs but andy was saying RLP COS and NO
Anything I'm concerned about soloing, I can Int/Storm Bolt/Fear in current dungs
pummel is 14 with honed, and 15 without
but like outside of flashfire, half the casts in rlp have to be hardstopped anyway tho
with pummel and concussive its 13
yea but i think his point is like
if you can take an entire kick of a mob in these high keys
oh, okay i see now
so, yeah, thats even better then, prety close to or equal to shammy kick in terms of CD length
Yea, its very niche but definitely has a use if you need it
TJS he takes it as well
fortified weeks is when maybe i am imagining
lol, im a kid with autism, you hear it all
is there any macro to put on a keybind to defensive stance and back to battle
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance```
Hmm I just use Elvui keybinds. No macro. I could use bartender as well
Is everyone mostly chilling in Battle when tanking?
be in whatever you need
question is incredibly subjective, if you can live comfortably be in battle
fuck, today was pretty good day though, i got mount mile stone off doing a low key for ksm prog, first key of the day, no wipes, then i got all kinds of transmog items, today a good day
how do you decide what rings to use as prot warrior?
how much do you prioritize stats over ilvl
ilvl >
more stats in general is just better
raid rings probably have a ilvl equiv but im not 100% sure, would just sim
anyone know a good discord to find a guild? 8/8h 3/8m
at what ilvlto replace cobalt ring
no discords really, WCL and RIO recruitment tools probably your best bet
wow thats a lot of numbers, too bad im not reading them
honestly i just ilvl unequipped the shield one
Are we spamming revenge way more when we get 4 piece
i use only the attack one personally
would just do an easy top gear sim then
is web blast from sennarth blockable without spell block?
do we double pull bridge pack in AA this week?
is vex first the usual route at that key level?
can you spell block and spell reflect 3rd boss in TJS?
makes sense, thats cool. im always going tree first in 10-14s, wonder if thats better here
thanks
can deflect p1 debuff
jade serpent strike?
Ya
ok ty
i dont think u can SR the jade serpent only the fire one
Serpent strike is reflectable, jade serpent strike isn't
he then said the jade strike and u said ya
yes i realized that
so just making sure he knows
Are these sims of Darkmoon Trinkets big cap right now or is Dancing really that pog rn?
before he gets himself fucked
i dont think anyone really uses them
so it might be
dance might also be doing 12 bounces every time
Jade hurts more so its sadge
Anyone know a good discord to find a guild?
I actually found a group capable of depleting an sbg today, 22 and i was higher then one of the dps and they sll stacked for quaking and committed mass suicide on bonemaw
Dying on bonemaw 
are those addons?
oh, warcraft logs
and raider io
ok
what are some updated talent builds, everyone on top in rio is taking almost no cc
top groups have insane cc coordination and they take exactly what they need, pinned default build is still very good
They’re taking no cc because they’re top players with very good coordination
can swap fear shout out for whatever
Any point in running keys higher than 20?
for fun
im having a hard time finding the pin
Am i missing something with All-totem trinket? Keep hearing that its amazing, but its usually only equals about ~1500 dps for me on a given mythic dungeon.
does more than just damage
Ah, thats what i was confused about i guess. What else does it do?
Appreciate it. Makes way more sense now, was just looking at the pure dps output.
ohh
usefulll
Bunch of wow andys in here tonight 
Merry Christmas
hell yeah
Can’t transfer focuses tho
No but you can get alts to higher keys faster which means you get focuses faster
18 AA
what's our best single target dps phial?
I've been running eye of the storm. seems sufficient
best ST is glacial
is there a spell reflect WA for the spells that are reflectable in M+?
I have one but too long to send
Ruby +16 Pug tank warrior, I think he forgot something
he forgot his shield
But IP's a 50% dr, bro, why would i ever put rage into blocking?

lol I had two guys flame me during a 21 RLP for dying and said 67% overall uptime on IP was why we didn’t time.. said 100% uptime on IP is faceroll
is the belt worth crafting without either of the rings?
Hey I have question,in hals of Valor going to Valk boss,before the Valk Mob there is caster u pull with meles, he stands up the stairs ,can ranged jump and interrupt cast or not ? Cause when I don't go to interrupt him nobody does for some reason
everytime i fight TJS 3rd boss i'm always on the brink of dying, is this normal?
she hits really hard
Is the Darkmoon Card-Set relly that strong?
Yes ranged should be able to interrupt him just fine.
Only hits hard if like you eat a mechanic you shouldn’t
Actually had someone moan at me once cause I was in Bstance 🤣
Are you using defensives on the jade serpent strike?
i don't get hit by spin kick or the waves but i'm like nearly dead
yes i spell reflect serpent strike
No
and have IP up
i literally gotta pop shield wall to survive the encounter
Oh wow
Yes, you have to rotate defensives in phase 2 dude
2x shield wall
Only 1 minute
last stand
You should be using shield wall often anyways
i don't understand why on tyrnaical she hits like a fucking truck
We gain and spend so much rage
yes first phase is easy
Yes, first phase is easy
the jade phase is the killer for me
So ranged can jump in air and cast counter spell and interrupt it ?
2nd phase is when she will fuck you up if you're not rotating cooldowns for the strikes because they are no longer reflectable.
They shouldn't have to jump at all unless they're right under the platform. Just kick 🤷
i tried using spell block on it and i don't think it did anything
It will mitigate the initial hit but that's not the dangerous part of the mechanic
it's the DOT
After the initial hit, she leaves a DoT on you and a huge heal absorb
hurts so much
The heal absorb is the important part. You need to use Last Stand and Impending Victory liberally to help the healer clear the absorb
Can also use healthstones/health potions
she suck your health after hit you hard
I don’t think we can pummel it without running up the stairs, I’ve tried quite a few times lol
ok so spell block did save my ass
Ahh word misread
Spell Block doesn't work on the DoT, only the initial hit.
You can't block DoTs
And in shadwomoon burial ground 1st boss , if he stands next to dagerfalls , he keeps getting that dager looking buff on him , where it works like wind fury and keeps hitting tank with those attacks ? Dagger fall should be stacked on 1 position and then boss moved away before they drop down ?
The imps in Court, does Spell Block only block or does it reflect back to the imps? Meaning, should I be running in solo and just spell block it all?
Has nothing to do with daggerfall. She gets a buff periodically to her next 3 melee attacks.
You can't prevent the buff. Just use spell reflect and other CDs to survive the hits
spell reflect reflects it, spell block blocks it
you go in, sync casts, reflect them all
Ok
Ah, I see.
Spell Block can't reflect things. Two separate spells, two separate effects.
Mass spell reflect in pve would be nice again
I think the word you're looking for is overpowered
I had around 55% hp last night there after eclipse and did my shield wall and died to that boss on 21 key was abit happend how I dropped so fast
it's random target, you can reflect some, but your team gonna die
Confused *
If they don't engage, all the casts should go on me, right?
They need to stay back out of range
And spell block works there too or just spell reflection?
Both, but there's no reason to run spell block in Court of Stars
both work
Sort of related question, since all those casts go off at the same time, does reflect bounce them all? or just one then you eat the rest
Sadge
The runes on ground to they dmg tank and party when u tank him ?
All, provided they all connect at the same time.
👀 okay well now I've gotten two different answers
If u stand around them or on them ?
You didn't get two answers
oh archii was talkin about something else
Archii is talking about something completely different
gotcha



