protection

[north dew]

what lenght is a good target?

[fallen pulsar]

for dungeons 2 minutes 5 target patchwork with no lust is my preferred setting

[dusky canopy]

You could do 5T patchwork 1minute to simulate your damage on an average pull but it’s not perfectly accurate

Pull lengths vary and mob count Varys

[plush tendon]

yea, a 1 min will give you with all CDs

you can always just do a 5 min

[north dew]

im inspired by the Warri Shuhwar. He does alot of dmg and i see he uses crit, so i like to try it too

[inland raft]

I do 2/3/5 min st and 5 target and then draw parallels

[north dew]

Thanks for your tips, i will try it out

[dusky canopy]

Also I would turn off raid buffs and lust as nando suggested

Give yourself ap since you always have that

[fallen pulsar]

I'm too lazy to unlclick all the buffs lol, but yeah in a realistic scenario you wont have all the buffs

[dusky canopy]

Sims give you a general idea you have to apply logic as well

At least for aoe sims

[inland raft]

Only select buffs tou always have so bs, and if run on a static, any you get from them

[north dew]

alright

Thank you all guys. Now i test it 🙂

[dusky canopy]

In general it’s safe to trust the orange men’s advice

[fallen pulsar]

static? FF PLAYER SPOTTED

[dusky canopy]

They spend hours and hours playing with sims

[fallen pulsar]

(ily)

[inland raft]

Never played ff in my life

Ive used the term static for longer then can remember

[errant brook]

FF2 ftw.

[fallen pulsar]

huh, wonder where it started as a term for a consistent group

[inland raft]

I warched like 30 mins of gameplay of ff and got bored

[fallen pulsar]

first time I ever heard it was in ff14

[inland raft]

Maybe it actually is more fun then looked but just never tried it

[fallen pulsar]

I loved the story in ff, but the gameplay was soooo Zzzzzz... to me

idk, the combo system just feels so boring

[inland raft]

Guild wars 1/2, swtor for like 6 months when first launched, and lost ark recently when dropped sl are only other mmos ive spent any real time in

[dusky canopy]

That game just isn’t for me the combat feel compared to wow is just ass imo

But we went over this yesterday lulul

[fallen pulsar]

Wildstar was the first MMO I ever tried hard in, rip

[pine lotus]

I see some warriors are taking into the fray (haste buff) and then most are taking heavy repercussions. For m+, what causes you to take one over the other

[fallen pulsar]

35% haste before ITF buff

[dusky canopy]

Itf is technical higher damage

But as nando said

[inland raft]

But sim assumes 100% uptime on 5 stacks too so while it is higher damage it isnt as mucj as sim will lead you to believe

[dusky canopy]

Also don’t run itf with 4 ranged

[inland raft]

And if not playing it perfectly itll fall behind anyways, really just play hr at least til maybe next season when we sitting at significantly higher haste values

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, itf is very dependent on consistently being at max stacks

[dusky canopy]

Honestly just run hr and bask in permanent block glory

[silent anchor]

You'll be 5 stacks 90% of the time in m+ anyway

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-master-race-gaming-the-feels-gtx1080-gif-7941212

[silent anchor]

Sane with raid ig

[fallen pulsar]

HR is much safer and has much less room for error

in raid ITF is the clear choice

[pine lotus]

Why 35%?

[inland raft]

With hr you often can go long times not spending rage on block at all cuz its just always up

[dusky canopy]

Block recharge

[silent anchor]

I play ITF in keys sometimes. Depends how I feel.

[fallen pulsar]

with itf, your shield block charges will come back about as quickly as they last

add shield charge, and now you have 100% uptime

[silent anchor]

Cuz why not. Haste is bis

[pine lotus]

Thank you nando, that makes sense

[inland raft]

I played it for a while and went back to hr, my overall is within margin of variance wither way literally feels the same and just safer

St actually went up in pugs since dont always have 5 stacks on bosses with pugs

[fallen pulsar]

idk, I'm at 34% haste pre itf at the moment. Going to give it a shot once I can move around a bit more stats

[hexed crescent]

How good is diurna ring? i got eranog and cos one at 415, should i get it from vault? only other option is cloak

[fallen pulsar]

its mid, I would use cos and eranog over it

[deft mortar]

nice

[inland raft]

I agree with andybrew that itf is kinda trolling tbh

[neon sparrow]

Are there any NON mythic dungeon guides?..... or it quest and straight to Mythic +?

[fallen pulsar]

the shield is ok

[deft mortar]

Azure Vault first pull

nobody interrupted the big tree

I got polyd and dide

[dusky canopy]

Just do it

That’s what I do

[fallen pulsar]

its better than non CoS or eranog rings tho

[deft mortar]

I was trying to position the packs togtehr

first 3 saplings and the 4

I fkn hate drone dps players who just pump

And not even wait for me to position

[hexed crescent]

even if eranog is 408, and the diurna one is 418 with a socket?

[dusky canopy]

They rip off you before pack is settled that’s on them

Not you

[fallen pulsar]

sim it then

[dusky canopy]

DH

[fallen pulsar]

its still a good ring, but I love pumping

[vast goblet]

as a DH main I can say that it is possible to wait for the tank to set up before you go wild

its tempting to rip but it is possible

[dusky canopy]

Brood ring is sweet if frost fire belt

[hexed crescent]

yeah forgot to mention im rocking the belt

[dusky canopy]

The DH in my 20 halls pug literally died 5 or 6 times from bursting .001 milliseconds after my charge TC

Lmao

[fallen pulsar]

the shield isn't too great iirc from convos here. It's still useful probably mostly in M+

like, in m+ some defensive stuff is better as a take than offensive

[dusky canopy]

It’s not desirable because of stats

If it’s your highest ilvl run it

If you have better options though you don’t need it

[plush tendon]

it really only becomes desirable since it drops at 431 in Mythic and 418 in Heroic

huge I levels

[deft mortar]

What's funny is that

If they wait 2 secs

They will do more dps

cuz mobs will be together

[vast goblet]

@dusky canopy you'd think that by the time you get to the point where youre running 20 youve died enough times by ripping aggro off the tank to know better

[dusky canopy]

Nope

[icy bane]

Dps players and learning…

[dusky canopy]

Steady bursting off the rip

[vast goblet]

they love going wild on the tree boss trash in AA too

just cant resist

[deft mortar]

What's funny is vs trash packs they barely beat my dps or maybe match it

[dusky canopy]

Ranged kep saying “that poor DH”

[fallen pulsar]

idk, I still get melee that walk into the HoV add cleaves lmao

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[daring marlin]

I managed to get my DH buddy to wait on tree boss trash last time I was in there.

[vast goblet]

omg i had this WW the other day in HoV die 15 times cause he just couldnt figure out what a cleave was lol

[daring marlin]

goofy bitch

[dusky canopy]

I just laugh when they try to bitch at me for cleaves

[icy bane]

Could have a marker and be Tauren and they’d still walk infront

[daring marlin]

like bruh I'm pulling all of the lashers just chill for a couple seconds

[dusky canopy]

It’s like bro you have 85% of the targets surrounding

Fek off

[fallen pulsar]

I have marker and am kul tiran, so close enough lmao

[sick sentinel]

thats a big rule i constantly forget, face enemies away from group, and stun mobs that can be stunned in trash pulls

[deft mortar]

melees dying to frontals in HoV trash

[daring marlin]

Same here. 🤡 still don't avoid cleaves. 😂

[deft mortar]

when u move in 1 direction only

but they still gotta dance around

[dusky canopy]

No matter what keep targets faced away

[daring marlin]

They don't realize how wide the cleave is, somehow

[dusky canopy]

I even cuck the camera if I have too

[vast goblet]

@sick sentinel stunning mobs with tankbusters becomes a necessity not just for the tank but for everyone in the party at higher keys

[sick sentinel]

i know that its something have to do, i just sometimes forget for extended periods of time like 5 minutes, and then deplete once i think back on it

[fallen pulsar]

the double piercing shard rock dudes in AV on fort 🙂

[icy bane]

Still get dps that stun off the rip, dr mobs and eating their stops in 20s lol

[fallen pulsar]

I can handle em on my own

[vast goblet]

yeah man even after the nerfs

[dusky canopy]

Prime example is AV shards

[fallen pulsar]

but my god, no dps ever does anything on em

ever

[vast goblet]

last pack in TJS

[inland adder]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-heavy-creepy-sir-space-cow-gif-19500873

[dusky canopy]

Dps just zug zug while your clenching cheeks sending everything you got to survive

[daring marlin]

Spellblock so nice for that final TJS pack tho

[icy bane]

lol tank made of paper

[sick sentinel]

do you guys take inting shout fear in keys, because, it is a different school off CC fear

[dusky canopy]

Just don’t let all 4 claws line up and you’re chillin

[fallen pulsar]

yeah spellblock is legit SSSS tier for last TJS pack

[icy bane]

Illidanxlord has left the party

[dusky canopy]

If they line up at once you dead homie

I run fear yogi

[sick sentinel]

cuz i've stopped taking that talent, too much chaos in a pug

[dusky canopy]

But I also pug

[fallen pulsar]

I use int shout, then tclap immediately

[spark gazelle]

Anyone can tell ideally how our stats should be looking guys?

[dusky canopy]

I plan the key like I’m soloing it basically

Best chance of success pugging

[vast goblet]

yeah

[icy bane]

Ye int shout should almost be broken right away, so a good stop CD

[sick sentinel]

i get that its strong, but it just don't trust it without cow stomp after and they can be stunnedd

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry about following up

[spark gazelle]

this is how my stats are looking atm whoever can answer tnx in advance!

[dusky canopy]

Fear drops almost instantly

[fallen pulsar]

a single thunderclap/revenge should break it

[sick sentinel]

and they have to be together

[dusky canopy]

From damage

[fallen pulsar]

int shout has saved me a lot because people use all their stuns together and ruin the stun DR 🙃

[dusky canopy]

400% haste then whatever else

[icy bane]

Stats look good

[fallen pulsar]

yeah your stats look fine

[dusky canopy]

[spark gazelle]

kekw

[fallen pulsar]

I prefer more crit, but crit and vers are equal value for us

[spark gazelle]

aright if they are ideal sounds good to me

[dusky canopy]

35% Crit gamer thanks game

[vast goblet]

i got mastery coming out of my ears

[fallen pulsar]

some mastery is good tho tbh

[vast goblet]

every piece seems to have mastery in M+

[fallen pulsar]

crit block does a lot of work

[icy bane]

Crit synergy with all totem right? So crit god tier stat

[last nova]

how to proc broodkeeper ring without belt?

[dusky canopy]

Buy the belt

[fallen pulsar]

deco of flame

[icy bane]

Flame cap

[vast goblet]

fireballs

[torpid fiber]

You don’t

[icy bane]

Spam flame cap

[fallen pulsar]

you can proc it

just much more annoying

[last nova]

flame cap?

[hollow hill]

For raid, especially single target fights, is it worth pressing TC on CD? Wowanalyzer seems to think so but I'm not sure

[icy bane]

TBC consume for 1min gives you chance on hit to proc fire damage

[spark gazelle]

Dont you need engineering for the belt guys?

[dusky canopy]

Yes In general

SS> TC > Rev

[hollow hill]

👍

[vast goblet]

i dont think frostfire belt is a engineering specific belt

[jagged pier]

Tc is to be used on CD but also dont use wow analyser its out of date and no one is maintaining it

[icy bane]

It’s mostly just a jest because it’s expensive and lasts 1 min

[fallen pulsar]

but muh minmax

[vast goblet]

raidbots.com is what everyones using now

[hollow hill]

Yea I noticed it hasn't been updated for 10.0.5

[spark gazelle]

How do u get Frost and fiery soul then?

[fallen pulsar]

you need to buy an engi item on auction house

and soul cages

[jagged pier]

u got to go get them

[spark gazelle]

Oh.

fml

[fallen pulsar]

its not that bad

the engi item is permanent and reusable

the soul cages are consumes

but you only need 2

[uneven ice]

Buy a sucking rifle from an engi and a cage from a jewel

[spark gazelle]

u speak in half riddles kekw

[fallen pulsar]

it's got a weird name lmao

[uneven ice]

Search for a elite elemental and suck the life out of it

[spark gazelle]

pog

[uneven ice]

The soul you should get in no time

And the belt finally yours will be, just fine

[spark gazelle]

how do i find the item though

[fallen pulsar]

I think they made it easier to do the soul suck

but could be wrong and its for next patch

[spark gazelle]

googled it all good

[fallen pulsar]

but anyhow after you get the soul make sure to wait until the soul is happy in its new home

otherwise you dont get a soul

[uneven ice]

Important, don’t open the cage before 15 minutes or you will have to do it again

[deep spade]

Does Avatar affect trinket damage? Like Whetstone?

[fallen pulsar]

no

[jagged pier]

it shouldnt

[fallen pulsar]

neither does demo shout with the talent iirc

[deep spade]

But Demo shout does yeah?

[spark gazelle]

Thanks a lot guys

ill just suck and wait

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[vast goblet]

took me 30 mins to get the souls i needed for the belt

[fallen pulsar]

I dont think demo shout affects whetstone damage

[uneven ice]

Is not hard, the soul thing

The trick for me was throw ravager when they have 5% and start sucking

[fallen pulsar]

sidenote: NA wont get to use trading post today 😦 looks like we have to wait for some hotfix

have to wait for flail

[uneven ice]

No celestial mount for them

[fallen pulsar]

eh? who cares about an ancient store mount. F L A I L

[hardy snow]

it was down on EU few hours ago as well, dunno how its now, just #qualitybyBlizzard

[jagged pier]

i have flail and can buy mount

[fallen pulsar]

but is your flail hot and spicy

[jagged pier]

yes

[hardy snow]

you should be able to farm enough tokens for both items

[fallen pulsar]

they should give us 500 more trader tendies for our troubles 😉

[hardy snow]

that flail suits nicely pvp elite set from current season, wish i was good at arenas

[echo scarab]

hey fam, does anybody know if the spellqueue "abuse" on hyrja is still possible?

[errant brook]

“Introducing the Downtime Simulator, a new feature coming to World of Warcraft, where you do battle with shills on the forums while the game is unplayable.”

[echo scarab]

cant get it to work rn

[flint grove]

tough vault this week

[warm plinth]

All of our damage increases (and, in fact, the vast majority of damage increases caused by players) are whitelisted, meaning they only work on a fixed list of spells that are specifically warrior spells.

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's still possible

[plush tendon]

can you get more trading tendies with alts?

[leaden imp]

no

it's accountwide

as is the progress towards the challenges

[plush tendon]

[deft mortar]

FUCK EM

Used shield cahrge abit farther

From the bone trash add in nerzhul

INSTANT STACK APPLY

I hate this game

[slim dove]

just dont charge bone wall

[deft mortar]

Fuck blizz

[slim dove]

ez

[deft mortar]

Its shield charge bruh

Legit 1 step away from it being a normal melee

[slim dove]

shield charge

dont charge the wall

[deft mortar]

I gotta shield charge

[slim dove]

bruh

[modern brook]

try being 1 step closer

[deft mortar]

or no dps

[leaden imp]

2 sparks left, should I go for the belt?

[icy bane]

What do you currently have crafted, so you have the fire rings if not how easy is it for you to obtain them

[lucid pasture]

for brood add tanking, how bad is it not playing punish and going bt?

how good or bad is that

also not going battering ram 😅

[icy bane]

Why

[plush tendon]

battering ram is da shit though

[toxic pewter]

i never leave home without battering ram

[fallen pulsar]

I'm always boss tank, so no idea

[plush tendon]

boss tank is lame

add tank more fun

[icy bane]

Lucky my OT is a BDK so he is boss tank

[fallen pulsar]

shrug, prot pally gets slapped around by the constant tank buster

[toxic pewter]

yah everyone want add

[icy bane]

I get to run around and kill adds

[fallen pulsar]

I can just SR every single cast

[toxic pewter]

but everyone knows the true glory is boss tank

[leaden imp]

Cape, lariat and weapon currenly, shield is bis and up to ilvl as well

[lucid pasture]

idk my tank isnt going punish or battering ram

i told him isnt that kinda weird

he told me he needs other stuff

🤷‍♂️

[fallen pulsar]

I run battering every raid fight

[warm dune]

is strike twice better than 418 weapon with embel in this case so i can add unstable frostfire belt?

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[icy bane]

And you have one free emblessh slot open?

[leaden imp]

y

[icy bane]

421 strike twice is bis weapon

[modern brook]

striketwice is better than all weapons at its same ilvl

soyou'd need a 424 weapon to beat that

[icy bane]

I’d either do crit haste pvp bracers or you can do belt if you have chance at fire rings

Can also do CR bracers if you do m+

[warm dune]

yeah i mainly do mm+ so i sacrifice the raza heroic bracer for cr bracers? better than frotfire belt?

[deft mortar]

Ngl this SBG 21 was difficult

more cuz the shitty dps and their 55k overalls

highest did 55k overall

[icy bane]

Belt only good if you have rings

[deft mortar]

We had no CR either

Cuz clowns

[lucid pasture]

55k overall is tank overall

[deft mortar]

Mine was EVEN worse at 36k overall

Because every boss fight wa 5 min

was*

Not even kidding

[fallen pulsar]

oof

[leaden imp]

are the cr wrists considered as an embelish slot?

[deft mortar]

All 4 bosses took 4-5 mins

[echo scarab]

thanks then im the problem. I also heard about people saying the keep Hyrja exclusively on the sanctify side since only her sanctify damage gets empowered and expel light doesnt (although dungeon guide says so). You know anything about that?

[icy bane]

Still cleared tho

[deft mortar]

CR is absolutely garbage on warr tank

[echo scarab]

Havent seen anybody do that

[deft mortar]

Only worth tank CR if healer is dead

If healer is dead u will die before u cast it

[icy bane]

Not every group is gonna have a CR

[fallen pulsar]

4-5 minutes on 2nd boss sounds so

[toxic pewter]

I am engineer with full malfunction prevention and I think CR bracers are super valuable personally

[deft mortar]

Yeah wait until ur healer dies in jade temple 3rd boss 2nd phase

[solemn current]

As someone who pugs a lot it's definitely saved a lot of my keys. Can't always rely on pugs.

[warm dune]

ahhaahhaha @deft mortar with the green thingy ahhahahaha

[toxic pewter]

I mean they aren't valuable in every situation but when they are they are clutch

[icy bane]

Your healer shouldn’t be dying there

Bro you are talking out your ass lol

[fallen pulsar]

shouldnt

[deft mortar]

So u leap

u move

U cast for 4 seconds

A dps should do it

or the healer

[fallen pulsar]

nothing stopping a healer from eating flames 😛

[solemn current]

should

[deft mortar]

All the frontal mechanics etc

[icy bane]

Had to double check I put shouldn’t or not

[toxic pewter]

well yeah, you have to use your best judgment in the situation..

[solemn current]

But I may or may not have had to leap out and brez during jade phase of Temple as a tank

[fallen pulsar]

I meant thats it is possible if they're bad

eating flames

[deft mortar]

I had a priest pull my healer in to get rid of thundering

Into a wave and they both died

[fallen pulsar]

[deft mortar]

Than the rogue left

[solemn current]

They don't. It's just a tinker.

[toxic pewter]

obviously on TJS boss 3 CRing someone is not the play lol

[deft mortar]

And we 4 manned Jade Serpent Tyrannical in 21

41 min jade serpent

[hard vector]

hey all, quick question does "Infurious Helm of Vengeance" do the dmg in pve as well?

[deft mortar]

Also clown rogue who left was 2.8k and died twice to Wise Mari

[leaden imp]

what about the haste leg slot arethey worth a craft?

[slim dove]

yes, its nothing notable or more then the standard 1% every embellish is worth.

[slim dove]

no

[solemn current]

You obviously never want to, but when your healer in a pug is ass and it's the only way to prevent having to wipe and probably not time you do what you gotta do.

[deft mortar]

If the healer isnt a Resto druid

[hard vector]

so frostfire belt + lariat is higher priority?

[deft mortar]

I dont play

[toxic pewter]

Yah every situation is different, definitely should go for CR if you can pull it off

[slim dove]

fotm orange class rerollers are awful

the amount of rdruids in 20s ive played with that dont maintain swarm

[solemn current]

It would've worked, but he died to the next wave as well 🤣

[limber fable]

Was there a pin or sheet of the m+ mob frontals list and if u could out range them ?

[solemn current]

Brez itself was the easy part, just had to use more than I would have liked to heal the absorb myself so that I could be ready for the next hit

[sick sentinel]

how much do the flame circles hit for on COS boss 2 this week at 15, yes i know not to stand in them, its because i died to them last week ate 32 3

[toxic pewter]

they hurt bad

[fallen pulsar]

name a more iconic duo than fotm rerollers and poor play

[sick sentinel]

1 shot?

[toxic pewter]

dont stand in them, like 1 prob wont one shot you

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's not remotely true lol

[sick sentinel]

i imagine that boss is a bit tough since there is MANY WHELPS HANDLE IT

and also avoids same time

[echo scarab]

lmao

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that boss can own groups on tyran thats for sure. things can go wrong really, really fast

[warm plinth]

It buffs both Sanctify and Expel Light; why tf would anyone do the fight any other way if it didn't

[hard vector]

can anyone tell me what should I focus more on crafting next?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/shattered-hand/jsonx

1. Lariat
2. Frostfire belt
3. Back?(if not lucky next vault)
4. Infurious Helm of Vengeance?

[sick sentinel]

having quaking and thundering, and a few bosses that pull your team to a location is a bit trolling

[toxic pewter]

id prob make a 418 shield I guess

[echo scarab]

Thats what i figured, but man i had some hope

[warm plinth]

You have 2 embellishments already so makes no sense to have to recraft other shit to make lariat or belt or helm. I'd make a shield probably

[hard vector]

3ilvl diff is that big block wise?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[warm plinth]

It's significant, yes

[fallen pulsar]

the choker seems like an interesting choice, but uh, I'd say upgrading wep and shield is good

[sick sentinel]

shield is no exception

[fallen pulsar]

woops nvm on wep

its 418

[toxic pewter]

cloak is low ilvl but such a low stat item, helm will lose you 4 pc unless you have another 4th item?

[fallen pulsar]

misread as 415

[hard vector]

gonna remove the food buff embellishment if it stacks, I understood that food buff doesnt count as one of the 2 embellishment restriction

im 5piece now

its not updated

[toxic pewter]

food thing def does not count as an embellishment

[sick sentinel]

always ilvl in weapon slot, regardless anything at all unless doesnt have your main stat

[hard vector]

I can remove any of the pieces

[warm plinth]

these are the two embellishments

[toxic pewter]

Oh cool u have 5 piece, I mean I personally prefer belt over helm myself.

do u have fire dam ring

[sick sentinel]

the ONLY thing the matters when it comes to weapon first thing, is its item level

once you have another similiar weapon, only then can you start to compare

[spark patrol]

that strike twice is 1.9% st and 1.7% dungeon slice increase

over my 418 crafted weapon

[toxic pewter]

wat pants u using

[warm plinth]

Dungeon slice should not be used. But you should take the weapon

[spark patrol]

415 tier pants

[fallen pulsar]

the weapon seems like the best choice tbh

[sick sentinel]

blizzard really did tell us go touch grass these past few days huh

[toxic pewter]

yah thats bis weapon

[sick sentinel]

all these delays for all day n shi tlol

[jagged pier]

yes its bis at 421

[hard vector]

has an insane proc

[spark patrol]

I know, didn't hesitate before I took it

[hard vector]

so yeah weapons looks like an important bis to get

[lucid heron]

anyone working on mythic Diurna or killed it have the interrupt tracker weakaura that I have seen some teams use?

[sand mason]

the proc is like less than 1% of my over all damage with a 421 😦

[fallen pulsar]

but its a free ~1%

[toxic pewter]

yah but thats literally free damage

[sand mason]

Thats not an insane proc imo

[warm plinth]

If the argument is that it's only around 1% then don't get any embellishments

Because they're only 1% what a waste

[toxic pewter]

i mean what are you expecting though

[sand mason]

I want some poxstorm lvl proc

[toxic pewter]

its a proc no other 1h can do and still get to keep stats

[sand mason]

true

[warm plinth]

If you want a better proc play havoc ig

[sand mason]

But still is chill not insane is my point lol

[toxic pewter]

yah its not OP by any means

[fallen pulsar]

I'm excited for the nelth mace next season 👀

firestorm I think

[sand mason]

My haste is actually shit. I got big huge ilvl but haste is sufferdge

[dim crescent]

Is it worth crafting a 415-418 shield if my current is a 411? I have 407 itemlevel and could bring up some other pieces. But curious if shield is more important

[toxic pewter]

hell yea

might as well craft a 418 shield I mean we have 5 sparks at this point and can get more via drops albeit low drop rate

[wind lotus]

are allied bracers worth crafting if you only play M+?

[dim crescent]

would you recommend the shield of hearth over the molten one? I have neck and belt embellishments

[hard vector]

btw whats the best class overall for prot warriors? (night elf seems strong)

[modern brook]

why did you take a photo of your screen.

[toxic pewter]

molten one with stats you prefer

[warm plinth]

? Those are snips wdym

[hard vector]

race*

[fallen pulsar]

dwarf

your choice of dwarf

bleed cleanse is incredibly strong this season

[hard vector]

stone skin vs bleed?

[dim crescent]

thank you

[toxic pewter]

12 PM PACIFIC MAINTENENCE EXTENDED

[hard vector]

other than Nok where would u use it?

[toxic pewter]

[fallen pulsar]

crawth, rlp boss 2

[hard vector]

oh yeah true

[fallen pulsar]

both notorious for the tank damage

[warm plinth]

There's a tank bleed in NO?

[fallen pulsar]

it also cleanses tree boss

[toxic pewter]

Just play any race you prefer but it is true dwarves are OP imo lmao

[fallen pulsar]

last boss

[warm plinth]

🤔

[modern brook]

my guy snipped his bevel 😠

[fallen pulsar]

but its a weak bleed

[hard vector]

humans? night elves?

[dim crescent]

Orc

[warm plinth]

Sir that's the background of the armory lmao

[hard vector]

orc / troll

none of those?

[fallen pulsar]

kul tiran 😉

[modern brook]

OH MY

thats the talent

lmao

sorry bud

[hexed hill]

Sorry guys i just got Ruby Whelp Shell 418 Ilvl what i want to do with it? (Single target or AoE?)

[fallen pulsar]

it truly doesn't matter what you go race wise

[hexed hill]

How do i want to train it for DPS increase.

[fallen pulsar]

the difference is negligible damage wise

[toxic pewter]

I play Troll personally, I enjoy how Berserking lines up with CDs and Regeneration actually heals more HP during combat than people realize

[warm plinth]

ST or haste @hexed hill

[hard vector]

I didnt even bother with my Ruby Whelp Shell 415, after taking it to a raid and not getting a single proc for the whole run

[lime urchin]

Panda superior race

[fallen pulsar]

dwarf has the best utility. racial for us at the moment as it covers a weak point

[hard vector]

• tried to proc it on valdrakkan aoe dummies, 25min no proc

[toxic pewter]

NGL Panda seems great with the food buff extender

[fallen pulsar]

but lightforged sims highest damage according to bloodmallet

iirc

[lime urchin]

You guys play on a level where race matters?

I wish I did too

[toxic pewter]

Also Vulpera is very strong defensively

[hard vector]

well its just more fun I guess

[fallen pulsar]

I find it fun to be big human 🙂

and punch things

[hard vector]

I have an orc war troll war and nightborne, and the nightborne is garbu

[warm plinth]

Race doesn't really matter at any level but why not make a mechanic easier if you're able to 🤷‍♂️

[hard vector]

aoe slow light piercing howl...

T_T

[toxic pewter]

Troll mon!!!

[hard vector]

like*

[forest tulip]

Z troll best warrior

[toxic pewter]

taz'dingo

[warm plinth]

My wars are troll, goblin and dwarf

[deft mortar]

Nice

[hard vector]

which one you enjoy tanking on the most?

[deft mortar]

No group I put together got passed Hyrja

[hard vector]

use the cheese on hyrja mate

[toxic pewter]

I used to play Goblin, they're a fun race imo

[deft mortar]

From 21 Hov to 18 HoV

[hard vector]

easy win

[warm plinth]

Only one that's at 70 so far is the troll. Other two are still 60 atm

[deft mortar]

All of them are 2.6k+ 410+ 4 set teams

[hard vector]

mate are u doing the Hyrja cheese?

[deft mortar]

fk it im not doing more keys in Tyra weeks

[hard vector]

just pull Hyrja, w8 1-2sec

[forest tulip]

Also, man. i thought last week affixes were rough. this week aint even better. the tree in AA is just slapping everyone around

[hard vector]

taunt heroic leap to storm

and you are good to go

[unreal sage]

What is it and how can i get it? Xd

[forest tulip]

no one wants to stack germinate so you cant cleave/aoe the saplings and its harder to pull aggro on the 2nd germinate so its a potential wipe

[fallen pulsar]

trading post

whenever it actually works

[deft mortar]

Its only harder to pull aggro on 2nd germinate because dps players are drones

[fallen pulsar]

you can AoE taunt

[deft mortar]

Bet u will have AoE taunt every 2nd germinate

[fallen pulsar]

nah, but first one is really the main one people giga pump on

[icy bane]

Dragons roar

[unreal sage]

Im always using ravager plus dragon roar on furst one and mass taunt on second

[warm plinth]

Thunderous Roar* 😠

[unreal sage]

First*

[icy bane]

You got the point

[deft mortar]

Ravager isnt rly enough threat

[daring marlin]

It will always be dragon roar

idgaf that they renamed it

[hard vector]

how much dmg are u doing? how much dmg your avg dps are doing?

[fallen pulsar]

it has a dragon in the picture, just saying

must be dragon roar

[hard vector]

u can pop there around 200k+ without a problem

[daring marlin]

Same icon, same effect

[warm plinth]

[unreal sage]

Nice nickname bro xd

[daring marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-yeet-fus-roh-da-gif-19617923

[warm plinth]

Thanks

[hard vector]

lol

[icy bane]

But muh parse

[warm plinth]

Mwahi gave it to me

[unreal sage]

Are you gonna stop using it?

[warm plinth]

Me?

[fallen pulsar]

we cant rename on this server, so its until mwahi or someone else changes it lol

[warm plinth]

Oh I requested it. He didn't just do it of his own accord 😂

[unreal sage]

Oh, So this is like add?

[deft mortar]

Fkn details skipped over the run

[modest gulch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BwDC9XVkq84FrpzK/

Logs are significantly better this week. Reidi, if anyone wants to pick through and give me some pointers I appreciate the help.

[hard vector]

@deft mortar did u try using Tough as Nails?

just to make more threat?

[deft mortar]

I sim 120k vs 5 targets over 5 mins man its not my dps

Its how fast I dps

[icy bane]

He needs snap threat

[deft mortar]

Or I need the priest to not pop 2M dmg in 0.5 sec

[hard vector]

tbh what I'm doing on this boss, is letting my dps go wild on first spawns

bursting on 2nd

3rd letting them go wild

4th AoE taunt

[deft mortar]

Wish it didnt have the stupid stacking dispel lthing

If not forthat I could just solo

well than id have to interrupt every cast

2 much bs to solo it

[hard vector]

well its a healer check with the debuff till the clear

healing*

[mental bobcat]

Are the fire rings from raid?

[daring marlin]

yup

[deft mortar]

Miss just dodging tyra week

Pugging it is pain

[daring marlin]

Tyrannical week is ez

[deft mortar]

wat

[whole vortex]

What route do people do for high academy keys on tyrannical?

I really want lust on bird

but I feel like you can get one in before that

[icy bane]

Vex tree bird

[deft mortar]

they rly BL vex over tree?

[daring marlin]

Tree is a meme now

[deft mortar]

how is vex not a meme

literaly doesnt have mechanics

[daring marlin]

It's way more irritating than the tree? like wat

[whole vortex]

Vex has a nasty overlap

[deft mortar]

literally doesnt do dmg

[whole vortex]

and shits out group wide damage

[daring marlin]

Tree is a target dummy

[forest tulip]

i am so sad that server maintenance keeps being extended, though

[daring marlin]

Oh no I may need a dispel on tree

legit all there is

If you know how to use your buttons the adds shouldn't be an issue.

[uneven ice]

For me, the game changer was the stack and dance around the tree

[warm plinth]

I'll stack your dance

gottem

[uneven ice]

Then is so much easy to ravager/roar

[daring marlin]

100%

[fallen pulsar]

Show of force on eranog seems a bit weird.

[uneven ice]

If the dps and healer go nuts, is a 100% wipe

[fallen pulsar]

Barb training too seems bad

For eranog

[daring marlin]

I pug plenty and people tend to be pretty good about stacking for adds and rotating clockwise.

[deft mortar]

tired of trash dpsers tbh

[hard vector]

lol tell me about it

[deft mortar]

ppl who miss ez mechanics, or do below 70k single tatrget dps

this 411 destro with 4 set did 56k overall

May as well grab a 2nd prot warr

[hard vector]

thought about it alot

I'm usually 2nd/3rd on dps

if im lucky

[deft mortar]

The biggest meme today was this 2.8k IO rogue dying twice to wise mari

[hard vector]

I dont even know if I ever was 4th

[uneven ice]

I had a disc priest yesterday in SMB that told me that I was dogshit and i have mental problems.

Proceed to step on a rune and die

[deft mortar]

Priests are useless

[daring marlin]

damn bruh

[fallen pulsar]

@modest gulch going through it, eranog talents seem a bit iffy. Not taking impenetrable wall for more rage gen, using show of force, barb training

[deft mortar]

dont take them

[hard vector]

also shitty dpsers usually dont even interupt....

[deft mortar]

legit 0 utility or anything

[uneven ice]

Reported and chill

[daring marlin]

Agmius has all the garbage opinions

wild

[deft mortar]

1v1 me bruh

[south zealot]

its arguably the hardest boss to heal

[uneven ice]

I can take this, caused I’m used to it for my work, but people have to think more about how words affect people

[daring marlin]

You're tiny shhh

[uneven ice]

This disc was savage

[fallen pulsar]

@modest gulch on eranog your cpm is very low and your shield slam cpm is reaaaaallyyyy low

[deft mortar]

love how Tyra week is about healers now

[modest gulch]

I didn't really switch the build around much, probably should have

[rough egret]

Dear god… so my first group failed hov18…i redo a 17.. timed it and got RLP18 😄 kill meee

[fallen pulsar]

9 shield slams per minute is very bad, it not being your most cast ability very not good.

[south zealot]

it still was for some bosses

[daring marlin]

Is it the healers or dps being bad bruv

Everybody else's fault every time

[south zealot]

all of sanguine depths tyran, nw last boss tyran, 2nd and 3rd boss of court etc etc

[deft mortar]

Legit no point playing if the healer isnt resto

druid that is

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah main issue rotationally though is you’re not pushing buttons enough, and not the correct ones. Shied slam should be number one cast, and ideally be like 15+ cpm

[deft mortar]

CR on healer is also too high value

[pastel sleet]

which warrior spec is the mage tower easiest on?

[uneven ice]

I kinda like evokers

[lofty widget]

fury probably

[south zealot]

fury

[uneven ice]

What do you get from tower?

[pastel sleet]

tmog

[uneven ice]

Ah, ok

[daring marlin]

Prot super ez mage tower

[deft mortar]

I am rly annoyed by evoker healers

[slim dove]

arms or fury.

[deft mortar]

resto just keeps couple hots on me and I dont even need to be targetted beyond that

[slim dove]

ignore pain has fucked scaling tho for arms in mage tower.

like way stronger then it should be.

[fallen pulsar]

@modest gulch I think you're also not keeping shield block up while tanking the boss, looks like only 66% blocked hits

[deft mortar]

Also getting 3% vers and CR from Resto lmao its not comparable

[fallen pulsar]

looks like shield block was only cast 4 times that fight, which is really low for a 2:41 kill

[uneven ice]

Yeah, resto is lit

I have a Pala friend, and it’s also smooth

[deft mortar]

they also have CR so it good

idk I see 2 high value for healer having CR on Ttyra week atleast

[uneven ice]

CR?

[deft mortar]

combat ressurection

[uneven ice]

Ah! Gotcha

Ye, superuseful

Worst ones has to be disc and monk

For my experience, at least

[deft mortar]

I never had a monk or shaman healer this expansion yet

The priest I had was for a low key I was just boosting

only did high keys with prevokers and rdruids

[fallen pulsar]

@modest gulch I'd say overall practice your rotation more. Your main issues from just looking at eranog are: low cpm, low shield slam cpm, not using your cooldowns on cooldown (could have demo shouted more, could have shield charged more), and some talent jank

you should also be maintaining shield block more as having it up makes shield slam do 30% more damage. and doubly making sure you have it up while tanking the boss

[modest gulch]

Thanks,

[deft mortar]

dang im not getting invited to any 20 key

[toxic pewter]

why not

[deft mortar]

idk cant survey the group leads

https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Bigmuscleman

here's my io

[dire matrix]

with ruby whelp kinda trolling at the start offights

[modern brook]

I heard it was a personal vendetta against you

[dire matrix]

i wonder if its worth running

[fallen pulsar]

might be lack of timed 20s on tyran.

tyran is a big tank tester on some bosses, so might be more selective

[deft mortar]

Legit nothing I can do about most of my runs

everything is controlled by dps

[toxic pewter]

Why do you run ITF over HR? Seems like your shield block uptime would be low especially since you aren't running bolster. Also no shockwave or storm bolt? Is that a raid build or do you run that build in m+

[fallen pulsar]

group leads can't see that, can only go on the info they see

and they don't see timed 20s /shrug

[deft mortar]

I run this M+

[fallen pulsar]

seems kinda troll not having any stops tbh

[dire matrix]

no stops wtf

bad

[toxic pewter]

yah I think you should invest in at least one imo

stormbolt or shockwave

[fallen pulsar]

idk the point of endurance training if you're not picking up shockwave

[toxic pewter]

i personally run shockwave, stormbolt, and intimidating shout

[deft mortar]

Can get bolt instead endu

[plush tendon]

yea, the trifecta

[deft mortar]

but extra stam comes handy when things hit 500k time 2 time

[solemn current]

“Everything is controlled by dps”

[stiff gate]

Most keys I get liberal use of both of those, shield charge, AND fear, can’t imagine dropping more than 1 of those

[plush tendon]

100%

[deft mortar]

how do u even do dmg

[toxic pewter]

Dude our many stops is a huge advantage we have as prot warr though

[deft mortar]

Like what

[fallen pulsar]

the extra talents you''re taking dont even give you more damage

[plush tendon]

its like the one group util we have

[deft mortar]

HoV SBG i just move 2 steps do dodge hits

[solemn current]

By playing correctly. 60-80k is pretty normal.

[errant brook]

Did you really just use the U word in here...?

[toxic pewter]

Dude its wild you dont have any of the 3 main stops especially in pugs

[warm prawn]

60-80k overall??

[fallen pulsar]

[deft mortar]

I mean stop what

[toxic pewter]

I see you havent timed multiple runs... time to get back to basics. I would recommend getting HR, grabbing some stops

[fallen pulsar]

you could literally drop pain and gain and honed reflexes, drop em into intimidating shout and stormbolt and be way more useful lmao

[toxic pewter]

wat

[deft mortar]

tis 10% of my overall HPS

8%

[tropic tangle]

your hps doesn't matter that much

[unborn aspen]

why exactly is grieftorch not used on tanks that often: u cant block parry while channel ? like being stunned ?

[tropic tangle]

how much is overheal?

probably like 40-50%

[fallen pulsar]

ye

[toxic pewter]

As far as I know that is correct that you cannot block/parry/etc

[plush tendon]

and RLs arent giving tanks Grieftorch

[deft mortar]

<10%

[plush tendon]

which is poop

[unborn aspen]

vaults do 😄

[fallen pulsar]

you could heal a lot less if things are CCed and unable to cast lol

[plush tendon]

its gotta drop in there first

[solemn current]

Interrupts especially group wiping ones and healing ones, anything that needs to be stopped and can’t be interrupted especially stuff that will kill you. And if pain and gain is doing 10% of your healing you probably aren’t playing correctly. It’s maybe 5% of mine.

[deft mortar]

There is usually 2 things to interupt in any given pull

[pallid quiver]

it's 0% of mine because i don't even use pain and gain

[errant brook]

Blaaaahahaha. Our BDK is not only our 2nd highest healer (that nobody else has to heal), he's mid-range dps on prog fights because of that damned Torch. It's such a meme.

[fallen pulsar]

also blaming the DPS for not stunning and CCing everything while not bringing a single CC just for minor iinflated tank damage is pretty

[tropic tangle]

all i'm getting from this is that you blame DPS for your untimed runs, but aren't taking things to put more control in your hands

lmao

[deft mortar]

dang yall link ur ios

[lusty tiger]

to be fair, dps will die much sooner

so they should be ensuring cc first

[pallid quiver]

trolls too stronk in public discords smh

[toxic pewter]

his initial post was like 'i am not getting invited to any 20s'... and I looked a bit deeper and he seems very set in his ways...

[warm prawn]

https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Beefx

[plush tendon]

https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Bjórn

[solemn current]

Huh? You mean 2 mobs constantly casting and some of them being stun/cc only right? Do you know how many packs have multiple group wiping casts? Flamedancers, furies, and the guy in CoS who casts eye absolutely need to be stunned and it’s only 3 of the many mobs.

[daring marlin]

Agmius hard carried by his pugs every time confirmed

[toxic pewter]

Truly wild he doesn't value stuns/interrupts

[deft mortar]

Lol how is flame dancer a problem

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao

holy shit

[solemn current]

Because it will kill the group what?

[plush tendon]

[solemn current]

Stopping it is a requirement lol

[toxic pewter]

Imagine relying on pugs to interrupt and stuff too

lol

super dangerous

[zenith sky]

May I ask how useful you find the puzzle box trinket? I have it as an option in my vault, but unsure how valuable the mastery is offensively/defensively.

[plush tendon]

good for arms and fury, pain to use for prot

but its fine.... just replaced by other stuff

[toxic pewter]

Just a pain in the ass trinket

[fallen pulsar]

it's big damage, but clunky cast time that you cant block/parry/dodge during

[deft mortar]

I been using it for a while its rly annoying ot utilize

But fun to do pop tf off with Bl and all CDs with it

[fallen pulsar]

in m+ its best to puzzle before pulling a pack

and charge in

[deft mortar]

HoV first pull with puzzle is fkn amazing

u get like 15 seconds of it once every mob is in place

[zenith sky]

thanks for the input, still a bit torn 😄 but i suppose it's harder to get than my other options (gloves).

[deft mortar]

if u dont pop it relatively every CD it snot worth

and popping it relatively every CD is annoying as heck

doesnt always line up with cds either

[cinder nova]

Anyone finish their catalyst quest and not get rewarded?

[toxic pewter]

Did u turn it in to that guy standing next to the catalyst

[unborn aspen]

it may delay a pull in m+ for 2 seconds, stealing 2 seconds of DPS from 5 players. The value of it has to be really great right ?

[errant brook]

Visual bug on the charges. You got it.

[cinder nova]

I haven't yet, but I've seen forum posts showing as much.

[toxic pewter]

Oh dang didnt realize a bug was occurring

so many bugs lately..

[errant brook]

Well, there's conflicting info on what it REALLY is.

Some say that it's a "this is how much it costs to convert" icon.

[cinder nova]

I mean if it's not behaving as intended, it's a bug.

What that bug is may vary.

[errant brook]

But there's no other place to see how much of the currency you actually have.

So, it's very confusing.

But if you turned in the quest, you got an additional charge from last week.

[amber siren]

There’s a script someone posted earlier to check I think

[fallen pulsar]

if you click the catalyst engine it should show you how many you have

but you have to go to tyrhold

[errant brook]

That's where it's 'busted' It always says 1.

[deft mortar]

isnt 80% SB uptime good enough

[errant brook]

Even if you have 2.

[lusty tiger]

not abt uptime

[fallen pulsar]

ah

[lusty tiger]

wanna check actually blocked htis

[amber siren]

I haven’t actually ran this myself to see if it works but

./run local n=(C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(2167).quantity or 0)print(string.format("You have %d Catalyst Charge%s Available",n,(n==1)and""or"s"))

[deft mortar]

nice idea

doubt details tells that

[errant brook]

It doesn't, unfortunately.

Need logs.

[lusty tiger]

i got something 4 u

other than deez

[deft mortar]

idk if anyone logged anything I ever did kekw

[lusty tiger]

you should be logging noob

[toxic pewter]

you def have logs I looked at one

[lusty tiger]

#protection message

@deft mortar ^

[deft mortar]

bruh wtf is ur crit chance

[lusty tiger]

me?

[deft mortar]

oh it sad casts

not crits

I read that as 235 out of ur 286 melees crit lmao

im 2 deranged rn 1 sec

[lusty tiger]

thats damage taken

u eyeballess

bufoon

[deft mortar]

fk shockwave build does 2k less dmg

[lusty tiger]

also thats not my log

shockwave is poop

i dont even take it

cba to spare a global to shockwave

when i run w a dh, demo, monk/crinjvoker

[deft mortar]

yo wtf

BT increses my dps

[daring light]

https://gyazo.com/fdcb9faef65e86470e897e08f4b78e74
what do i take the helm is a 26ilvl upgrade, im spoilt for choice

[deft mortar]

BT is like 5-6% dmg increase for me

[lusty tiger]

BT?

are u simming dungeon slice?

[deft mortar]

Barbaric Training

[lusty tiger]

oh

[deft mortar]

Im simming 5x patchwerk xD

[lusty tiger]

umm

well

u get less SS procs

so if u dont mind that

[deft mortar]

its 2 less shield slams

67 vs 69

[lusty tiger]

in 5 min?

[deft mortar]

wait wtf

its more shield slams

but less revenges

[lusty tiger]

test for a dungeon

[deft mortar]

ait

[lusty tiger]

but mostly seen as a rotational detriment(loosely)

[deft mortar]

ooft big queue

[fallen pulsar]

barb training will lead to rage starvation if managed poorly and make it harder to maintain SB or IP if you need it for an important part of a fight

[lusty tiger]

it makes going dry in low uptime scenarios that much worse

[deft mortar]

ugh gotta sim not only barbaric training but also shockwave

[pine lotus]

Is it bad if I send dragon roar/ravager together? I always just use them both together on cd

[deft mortar]

nah just pop em up bruh

[toxic pewter]

I always use all cooldowns together as much possible but def use on cd

[pallid quiver]

send cds on cd

[deft mortar]

they dont rly interact

[pallid quiver]

if they're up at the same time, neat

[deft mortar]

may be worth to wait to TR 5 targets instead 1 targets tho

[daring marlin]

simming shockwave

wat

[fallen pulsar]

ag is a pure DPS gamer

[lusty tiger]

thing is that only ups your active dps

but overall u usually send on single target

unless looking at like execute phase SBG voidwalker guy boss situation

[deft mortar]

wow insane hot Barbaric Training sims more than 1x crit

In dungeon slice

[tranquil vale]

should i craft a weapon or shield? current weapon is 395 and shield is 405. i dont raid just mythic +

[lusty tiger]

dungeon slice 💩

[deft mortar]

83 SS vs 85 SS

bruh didnt u say test dung slice lmao

[lusty tiger]

no

[lusty tiger]

.

like play one out w it

[fallen pulsar]

both

[toxic pewter]

I personally go shield first, some prefer weapon first. Prob best to make both though when you can

[deft mortar]

oh i dont do that i just sim

[tropic tangle]

shield to 418, then weapon

[lusty tiger]

y

[torpid fiber]

Want to survive better? Go shield

[tranquil vale]

Thanks for the advice, i appreciate it

[deft mortar]

Hmm when I go sim for Barbaric Training I do hit less SS yet

But I also hit more TC

2 less SS in 6 mins for 2 more TC

[lusty tiger]

just do a +16 or something and test it

[deft mortar]

may as well since my key fell to 18 HoV from 21 Jade

well 20 hov.. then 19.. then 18..

[lusty tiger]

when the sim is rly close only personal play can decide whats best really

[forest tulip]

another hour of maintenance 😦

[plush tendon]

All the gamer dads in my guild having a meltdown

this is prime gaming time

[errant brook]

"We've performed the Scheduled Maintenance over four times, now. Things are starting to look up. Normal play should be available within at least six more attempts."

[south patrol]

Blame me! They always do extended maintenance on my days off

[errant brook]

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[pseudo garden]

Prime gaming time for dads? Are the dads not employed lol?

Prime game time is past 830 pm for Dads. The perfect bedtime for children

[plush tendon]

drop the kids at the bus stop, work from home (dont actually do work)

ggs

[hybrid dock]

+1

[plush tendon]

and its 2023, dads can be stay home dads to!

Women can work

[pseudo garden]

You have kids?

[errant brook]

*MUST work

[plush tendon]

fuck no

Im not a dad

im too young

[pseudo garden]

I can't let my toddler out of my sight. You crazy if you think I could do a key while staying at home with my daughter lol

[plush tendon]

apparently, they can; honestly must be a Canadian thing

[fallen pulsar]

it's easy, simply lock them into a padded cell

what could go wrong

[lusty tiger]

my buddy has his 2 y/o daughter watch our m+ runs

[plush tendon]

"aight, the kid is 6 months old... time to strap skates on him and send him to peewee league!'

so daddy can game

[lusty tiger]

but she also sometimes steals his wallet and climbs ontop of stuff

[plush tendon]

yea, there are ways to do it

like, a high chair next to you while you gaming

that could work

[pseudo garden]

Kid pukes

Kid cries lol

Kid shits

Can't let your Kid sit in shit

[lusty tiger]

tell em to stop

[fallen pulsar]

honestly, the play is to teach them to play WoW and then have them do all the grindy stuff for you

it's like botting, but with feelings

(Disclaimer: I am not a parent)

[sick whale]

it is like bot, but you don't fix it with coding

[pseudo garden]

Just don't have kids and think you can get away with nonstop gaming. I know of someone who just does keys all days while their kids are on a camera and it's kinda gross

[plush tendon]

probably age of kid matters to

all i know is gamer dads play wow during the weekday and go to Disney on ice on the weekends

[mental bobcat]

Kids 7 and he likes to fly the dragon and mine

[errant brook]

Perfection.

[random hare]

mhhhh setpiece or ring? if i use catalyst this week (we got one charge right, or already 2?) 'd have 3 pieces

[viscid plaza]

2 charges this week. If you can end up with your 4 piece it's a massive increase

[random hare]

oh nice, perfect

[viscid plaza]

total of 2 charges

[errant brook]

Is it, though...?

[viscid plaza]

Yes the 4 piece set bonus is worth quite a bit in equivalent ilvl afaik

You have to change your play a little to make sure to do revenge every 5 seconds, but yes it give you a buff that adds your damage to your ignore pain, it increases your mitigation and is valuable.

[errant brook]

But.

Is it Massive(tm)?

[vital oak]

Huuuuuuuuuge

[sweet summit]

4pc fuck good in m+
not that yuge in raid

[blazing condor]

4pc from mcdonald p good

[uneven mason]

It's good to clear your colon

[south patrol]

I’m still 1 week out on my 4 piece 😦

[errant brook]

LFBlacksmith to recraft [Giant Codpiece]. pst.

[uneven mason]

I guess I hit the jackpot with my chest and helm on my first 2 vaults this season

Haven't raided once, somehow got tier

Maybe that's the secret

[blazing condor]

worked for me

i got 4p through m+ vault

in like 5 weeks

[deft mortar]

about to attempt my 3rd HoV key

20 > 19 > 18

lets see if this hits 17 xd

All so far failied on Hyrja

I might actually be able to solo Hyrja at this level

[viscid plaza]

I simmed my prot warrior with the 4piece, one piece at 392, and a 3 piece with 405 Arcane Defender Gauntles replacing the set gloves and the 405 gloves are a +18dps increase from 26416 to 26434

So you're looking at roughly 11 ilvl of worth for the four set for us dps wise, but it'll make our healers live easier

[errant brook]

@deft mortar How are they boning that up?

[viscid plaza]

You're not wrong that it might not be MASSIVE but it is substantial

[deft mortar]

First run DPS got quaking in the Hyrja bubble and killed each other

[errant brook]

Ah, yet another Quaking Boss victim.

[deft mortar]

I barely remember 2nd run but some hyrja bs

3rd run dps didnt pop defensives for 2nd hyrja storm

whereas all CDs were spent for the first

[viscid plaza]

Of course that could also be attributed almost exlcusively to the ~+200 haste and mastery the gauntlets give over the set piece gloves which are crit mastery

[deft mortar]

I rallied to no avail

[vital oak]

My favorite was in Iron Docks last season, quaking while being pushed to the back of the ship on the last boss, all dead. Has that happened to anyone in Nogood?

[pastel sleet]

Are servers up yet?

[errant brook]

One of our guild groups got NoGud'd last night.

[vital oak]

Fun times.

[viscid plaza]

No

[errant brook]

And then in the bubble in AV.

[viscid plaza]

EU are, Americas are still showing down

[errant brook]

And then yet again behind the Ragnarok Shield.

[viscid plaza]

They changed the time on the banner to be +1 hour to 1pm PST

[deft mortar]

Oh I recall what happened on the 2nd HoV attempt

So dude died to Hyrja sanctity

Than somehow healer died

I tried to Engi ress the healer

I got polyd

dead run

[errant brook]

Pizza'd when he should've French Fried?

[tropic tangle]

that happened to me last week, just cursed HoV keys

deaths to trash frontals

all 3 DPS dead to breaths on Hymdall

just god awful

[errant brook]

/thoughtsnprayers

[deft mortar]

If anyone dies to Hymdall breath I will click HS lol

at this point in time

fyi i dont

quit runs but feel like it.

[tropic tangle]

Generally the same, but I was the first to throw in the towel on one of those HoVs. Think we made it through Hyrja, but we were well behind, then DPS ass pulled to patrolling sentinel in the hall, got hit by storming running from it, knocked into middle pack