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icy bane
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Is it an ilvl upgrade? Then yea

chrome karma
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same ilvl

uneven mason
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Or if it's a set bonus

chrome karma
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set is given

hardy snow
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you dont need to hold charges, you may get one 421 vault item for +20s, but within the same week you will also receive another charge

chrome karma
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i have to decive what to catalyst

sick sentinel
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yes, always ilvl no matter what

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it doesn't matter if its got the worst dog shit as stats

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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you put it on

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it sucks, but thats how it is

dusky canopy
unreal sage
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Hey, Quick question. I have incarnate icon, all totems and decorstion of flame(all of them from hc) simulations told me that Best setup is all totem and icon. Do you think is it Worth to Exchange absorb from decorstion for some dps and constant versa from icon?

plush tendon
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and you can pump that to 415

uneven mason
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The stat priority is a guideline and the gap between stats is not big

icy bane
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Cobalt ring still swimming higher than any of my other rings lol

sick sentinel
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yes 1 charge per week

plush tendon
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now you got 4 piece with good pieces

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and a bigger helm

hardy snow
plush tendon
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which is better

plush tendon
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feels bad to use a charge on a 395

dusky canopy
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So this player is asking if it’s worth to catalyst a piece that is item level 395 because sim says it’s 500dps gain

plush tendon
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cause when a 405 drops, that combo becomes better cause more stat

icy bane
dusky canopy
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I’m trying to give incite to help them make the best decision

hardy snow
dusky canopy
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Correct

uneven mason
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I mean

hardy snow
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you can get 400, 405 or upgrade something till 415 within the same week

patent saddle
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the ruby whelp proc do you train on full single target proc ? the Fire Shot one ?

uneven mason
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We'll have a catalyst every week

hardy snow
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so if you use your charge for 395 today, you might be in situation where withing this same week you will get better item to use charge for

uneven mason
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But st nuke isn't bad

hardy snow
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if you use it for 421 from vault, your next 421 will be only on next week at soonest

unreal sage
dusky canopy
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If the 395 item being catalyst gives you 4p bonus it’s a no brainer if it just changes stats then not worth imo

plush tendon
dusky canopy
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It depends what level of content they are farming during the week

plush tendon
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so, you could get shoulders to drop to

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and pump those up

chrome karma
amber siren
icy bane
icy bane
sick sentinel
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is fang addornments the bigger the weapon i have the more effect i get? or how about are damage dealing embellishments increased by something like versa

chrome karma
sick sentinel
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i did do rank 3 on my weapon, but its just a 402 atm

dusky canopy
unreal sage
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Ok, thanks guys

plush tendon
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there are a lot of ways to go

dusky canopy
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Really in your case short term answer is to just trust the sim

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If your trying to play the long game there’s a lot of variables

plush tendon
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^

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no reason not to play the long game imo

chrome karma
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ill go for 415 set hands and 418 legs and try to upgrade the shoulders next, also going for a better nonset head

dusky canopy
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I think catalyst on the highest item level is the best play long game

plush tendon
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100% think thats the best play

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in your situation

chrome karma
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thx guys.

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❤️

dusky canopy
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Leaving helm slot open for engi tinker is pretty sweet

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I’m trying to work that out but did 418 helm week 1 from vault lul

inland raft
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Is the belt still best embellishment after lariat if not getting raid rings?

dusky canopy
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No it’s good with rings

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It’s been said here that all embellishments are worth roughly 1%

plush tendon
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its good with and without rings, but if you arent getting rings, you have some options

dusky canopy
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I’m running wrists right now

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It’s neat

plush tendon
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yea, the vers bracers are quite good

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and crit haste stats

dusky canopy
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Yep

plush tendon
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but I have engi bracers soooo

inland raft
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Ya thats what was leaning towards i have engi braces but have used them a total of like 5 times whole xpac, usually if people die its on pulls that theres too much going on for me to use them without getting clapped

plush tendon
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mine have come in handy a couple of times

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and thats enough for me

dusky canopy
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Keep engi imo

plush tendon
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a lot of times it may be too difficult

sick sentinel
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im engineer, problem is, i literal put all my points into bombs atm

plush tendon
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but you may lose your healer to something stupid, finish pull, realize the walk back is a 1:30 and no one else can rez

dusky canopy
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Make bombs good again

uneven mason
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Better than blowing yourself up

plush tendon
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then you like, fuck it

dusky canopy
plush tendon
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bres

sick sentinel
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thats most important bit about begin engi, right? bomb grenades?

inland raft
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True so makes options basically belt and spikes then

dusky canopy
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Once upon a time you min maxed with engi bombs

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Good times

sick sentinel
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i did belt food

dusky canopy
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Yogi food is free

inland raft
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Food doesnt count towards

dusky canopy
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You can have 2 embellishments + food

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Free damage for yogi inc

sick sentinel
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yes, i have 405 unity bracers and 402 fang weapon

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no 418's cuz bad and refuse to git gud to do keys like 16's and above

inland raft
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Have tou even tried to do 16+ yogi? At this point you basically get dragged through even as a tank

pseudo garden
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16s seem pretty easy now.

sick sentinel
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no idea man

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i did ungodly amount of keys last week, for better or worse, many many fails,

inland raft
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My pally was doing them right after dinging 70 and just hard carried by heals/dps just the token tank

sick sentinel
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35 or so keys that completed?

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thats just keys that completed last week

dusky canopy
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Yeah everybody’s getting that 4pc and item level now

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So the farm keys are feeling easy easy

inland raft
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Ya up to 20/21 is pretty cake walk now

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People just blast stuff before it gets dangerous

plush tendon
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yea, around 21-22 you can basically just do a basic route and time any key

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around 23+ is when you gotta be a little more risky

dusky canopy
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Yep

plush tendon
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RLP might be a exception for groups that havnt done the last boss enough

sick sentinel
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i'm still going to let the pie cool on the window ledge of the kitchen so its easy to grab when its not piping hot, ie. let the metas settle down and gear settle for other players

plush tendon
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you might wipe once or twice while healer learns what the heck is going on

dusky canopy
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It’s freaking 2nd boss

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You can tell when people haven’t had alot of xp with it

heavy temple
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would you ever pick an socket from vault over an ilvl upgrade?

dense ledge
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2nd boss the real spice, bolder running it down mid exactly where you are pathing keks

dusky canopy
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Boulders shooting FORWARD

plush tendon
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I play with a guild; so I can at least direct traffic on 2nd boss

dusky canopy
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Baiting add FORWARd

inland raft
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Ya pugs stull tend to not bait adds along the kite path and instead drop them behind fire for some reason

sick sentinel
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what scares me about RLP boss 2 is whatever the hell she does after the fire add dies

plush tendon
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but 3rd boss its like not possible once its p2

sick sentinel
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and then tank takes boat loads of dmg

inland raft
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Or ya baiting boulder right through add or forward down the path

dusky canopy
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Really ? I think p2 is easier

plush tendon
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not for healers

dusky canopy
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P1 frontal is what kills groups

plush tendon
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P1 is a joke

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P2 the triple debuff

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smacks

dusky canopy
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Or spreading fire

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True true

sick sentinel
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RLP is going to be a very bad time this week for boss 2 and 3

plush tendon
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just stand between pillars; dragon baits really easily

inland raft
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Trick is to get dragon to 51-52 focus the guy til deagon lands again then burn dragon as much as can

craggy pilot
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anyone know how i can get my 6th Spark fast? 🤔

inland raft
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Makes transition easier cuz can take like another 10-20% depending on key level off before p2

sick sentinel
plush tendon
sick sentinel
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or whatever your version of god is

plush tendon
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Jesus hasnt helped me on this one yet; I've swapped to praying to Elmo

craggy pilot
plush tendon
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still nothing

craggy pilot
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just spam 18s?

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or do i do raid?

plush tendon
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basically just anything is where its dropped

inland raft
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Its rng can gather dirt piles

plush tendon
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LFR, dirt piles, dungeons, etc.

inland raft
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And pretty sure same chance from anything just rare af

craggy pilot
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i read its based on difficulty?

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higher difficulty = higher chance?

sick sentinel
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the way i understand sparks after free ones

craggy pilot
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so LFR would be wasting time no?

sick sentinel
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is that its a shit show crap shoot

inland raft
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Had a guildy get like 3 last week

sick sentinel
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you get one.... maybe not?

uneven mason
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
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legiondary is what i heard it compared to

plush tendon
inland raft
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Its exactly the legion legendary system pretty sure

plush tendon
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those LFR bosses are harder then our mythic farm

craggy pilot
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the "higher drop on difficulty" makes no sense then

inland raft
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So its just any activity and pray

uneven mason
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High m+ probably the best bet for gearing anyway

sick sentinel
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i have heard the after free sparks will drop as frequently as legion one does

plush tendon
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its really just RNG

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play the game, and youll get it at some point

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no point trying to farm it out

sick sentinel
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COPIUM

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this time for sure....

inland raft
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Well blp probably applies to it so will drop eventually within a couple weeks

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Cant imagine it isnt using same blp as legion did

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Next spark i get gonna make a ring, gotta decide if doing haste verse or haste crit

sick sentinel
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not advice, i did teleport ring

uneven mason
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Crit

plush tendon
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haste/crit

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duuuuh

sick sentinel
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and i did it haste/versa

plush tendon
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sucks that the Duirna ring is Vers heavy with like a little haste

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its just so good

sick sentinel
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i did all my crafts haste versa except for weapon

toxic pewter
plush tendon
sick sentinel
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random old raid enterances

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LITERAL

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at the door

toxic pewter
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Interesting

plush tendon
toxic pewter
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Could be fun for random transmog run I guess

sick sentinel
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it took me to fuckin raid one of SL

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castle nathria

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i said no god damn way

toxic pewter
inland raft
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Yeets to the maw and makes tou do 20 maw dailies and romance sylv to be allowed to leave

sick sentinel
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no, i actually needed to do that for the past month

toxic pewter
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I am instituting a global ban on all sl related words

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Cease using them at this time and going forward

inland raft
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Banner

toxic pewter
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Ok banner was actually fun lmao

sick sentinel
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i had to farm out, at least 2000 anima for something in the base and then i had to pay 1000 for the amphitheatre , and then 3500, for the mog, in ardean weald

dusky canopy
sick sentinel
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just to get some mog of branch wings, that are slightly more white

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and i actually was spending a bunch of time doing the 500 anima and korthia questrs

inland raft
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I quit before last season, did we ever even find out what the jailers plan was?

sick sentinel
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redo shadowlands again but dont fuck it up, in like, 5 years

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thats my message

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just magic a reason that we have to go back

plush tendon
inland raft
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What a nice guy

plush tendon
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hes like 'yo Sylvanas, why you bring these dudes here! They are crazy.... ok, I need to find a way to yeet them out'

inland raft
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Only thing want to see brought back eventually is daddy danny

plush tendon
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Castle Nathria as a raid is overrated imo

void marten
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if i remember correctly

plush tendon
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and so is Daddy D

void marten
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by using azeroth as fuel btw

sick sentinel
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no, if you want to do ..... fuckin, motherfuckin .... death.... the grim reaper., as a boss in a video game......

plush tendon
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Raz is the first last boss fight in a while that I actually kind of enjoy

sick sentinel
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it HAS to be done RIGHT

plush tendon
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since like Jaina

sick sentinel
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no exceptions

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if death is a pussy everyone will just LOL at it

inland raft
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I just think sire was really good character design

plush tendon
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Sire's design is really neat

sick sentinel
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they should have continued with that style of raid story

plush tendon
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reclearing that on heroic was always a pain week in week out

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Heroic Raz reclears actually feel good

inland raft
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Which since they are running out of long standing lore villians getting a new good design ahould be capitalized on eventually

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Rather then making him a throwaway first raid boss, so hopefully he is back sometime

autumn marsh
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"Castle Nathria was merely a setback!"

inland raft
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Ya they def set up a comeback but who knows if theyll follow through

sick sentinel
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sire denathrius's sword can trap souls or some shit cant it?

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cuz, he gets traped in it remember

autumn marsh
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Could be a easy setup for a new legendary, complete the ritual, trap him in the sword

sick sentinel
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what if its like, oh no, theres a new super duper lich king and hes found and diverted and consuming the oribos power

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cuz to me thats the bigest mystery of all, where the juice flowin to?

inland raft
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It was flowing to the maw

sweet maple
plush tendon
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Im happy if we just have four raids, with 4 end boss dragons

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that I dont really care about

sick sentinel
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well, it just seems very anti climatic

plush tendon
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as long as the fights arent BS

inland raft
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Ya this expansion i hope keeps it simple, just the dragons, cna have a cinematic at end raid to set uo next xpack villian

high drum
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kinda i think

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its 50/50 whether she does cardinal or inter cardinal

sick sentinel
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i just pray to god that they introduce some HUGE danger boy dragon as a final raid boss

high drum
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so basically either + facing you or x facing you

median tulip
plush tendon
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I want a 4 headed dragon

sick sentinel
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5 head

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yes really

plush tendon
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naw, this aint Yu Gi Oh

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3 is too little and 5 is too many

high drum
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onyxia 3: return to jailbreak

autumn marsh
plush tendon
uneven mason
inland raft
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I mean most likely we face off against Murozond

sick sentinel
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the god of death in yugioh in dragon form

median tulip
hardy snow
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Blackrock Foundry was great

sick sentinel
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virtually nothing can kill it and it almost immediately ends the game when its summoned and attacks

uneven mason
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Brf was some quality

autumn marsh
sick sentinel
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even if you do have removal, it has tons of support, so it just comes back again next turn

uneven mason
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Black hand I think is my favorite boss fight

high drum
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kt in naxx40 is mine

uneven mason
inland raft
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Only did vault like twice on hc cu. Been an m+ andy only this tier but it def felt more like a early wow raid, forgettable bosses just generic fantasy bosses

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Which isnt a bad thing

autumn marsh
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Black hand was awesome when he shattered the platform

uneven mason
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Drops you into a volcano

grave knoll
uneven mason
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Just the fight itself, needing to clear the balconies, fighting tanks..

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The last phase was tuned crazy tight

deft mortar
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Is there even

inland raft
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I enjoyed jaina tbh i think she pretty mixed on peoples opinions but just enjoyed the aesthetics of the fight a lot

deft mortar
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Compared to like M+

inland raft
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Other then not getting to kill her

deft mortar
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tank mechanics in raids

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Isnt it just swap and pop defensive every 1 min

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xd

uneven mason
uneven mason
plush tendon
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Jaina was fun

deft mortar
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Like M+ gets difficult for tanks cuz there every pull matters, and DPS Survivability trade-off is real

uneven mason
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Some boss fights you're just pointing the boss and swapping on stacks, other fights positioning and tank mechanics are incredibly important

deft mortar
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I guess positioning is abit diff

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Last I tanked a raid was in MoP

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SoO was fun to tank ngl

uneven mason
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Like daddy D in CN tanks could pull some antics to maximize the fight

deft mortar
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But I was a god with vengeance popping

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and 50% haste xd

plush tendon
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Tanking in general is fun

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as long as you focus on the pump

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basically playing a melee dps at that point who gets hit in the face also

deft mortar
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Do raid bosses hit as hard as idk Jade Serpent 3rd boss on a tyra week xD

plush tendon
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otherwise, no

oak echo
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jailer would like to have a word with the temple 3rd boss

plush tendon
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or Brood

uneven mason
plush tendon
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Brood can be pretty rough for the main tank

eternal atlas
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don't know what to choose, that All-totem is really tempting, atm i'm using the same belt at 415 and using a 408 crit+versa ring and 411 socketed haste+versa ring, as trinkets i use 411 whetstone+402 deco of flame

deft mortar
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nod

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get the 421s

boreal tiger
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hey I soon can craft my first 418 item can someone tell me if I do Weapon / shild or lariat first? Im tanking M+ only

autumn marsh
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421's mean they never have to be changed

plush tendon
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well, hes raiding

deft mortar
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^

plush tendon
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so he could get fire ring

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in which case, hes gonna need frostfire

oak echo
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all totem feels really bad to take in vault ngl

eternal atlas
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i'm not raiding that much, just some weekly shit if i have time

oak echo
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unless it's mythic

plush tendon
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ok, then 421 belt

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EZ

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take that I level

plush tendon
amber siren
boreal tiger
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@amber sirenthanks!

oak echo
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yeah i'm hoping to get it tonight...i dps in raid but the 2 tanks already have it

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even though none of them do keys sadge

median tulip
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Overall, bosses in VotI:
Eranog: Traditional 1st boss loot pinata. Boring, which is not helped by the fact that Ner'zhul in SBG is a better implementation of the main fight mechanic
Council: Not actually a traditional council fight, but a "kill simultaneous" fight. Basically an extended M+ Bolstering encounter, rather than a raid boss.
Dathea: This boss exists purely to remind people how yeeting between platforms works, in preparation of Razageth
Terros: I hated Il'gynoth the first time, I am no happier at having to do it again
Sennarth: Actually quite a fun setup/boss space and encounter, but I agree with Kalecgos - I hate spiders
Kurog: Actually a good boss fight
Broodkeeper: Mobility fight, and a nice change of pace to have no tank swaps for once.
Razageth: Good fun in a guild group, utter cancer on LFR

eternal atlas
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thanks for the help

oak echo
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it may not be the most exciting raid but at least vault has no truly miserable fights imo

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half of sofo i just dreaded doing

craggy pilot
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do we swap any talents on Council? 🤔

autumn marsh
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I was using normal raid build, did a decent parse on it

median tulip
craggy pilot
median tulip
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I didn't, but you could if you wanted to

autumn marsh
gloomy turret
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^^

autumn marsh
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think i was pulling 108k + on those packs

craggy pilot
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max dps build looking to be this thing

autumn marsh
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Would be a lot better with better gear also

craggy pilot
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indom for bloodborne seems kinda sus

pine lotus
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my 399 warr has like 5k more health than my 399 dk, doesnt make sense when dk has higher health scaling, and my dk shows 2k higher stamina. What am I missing?

strong forum
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That's troll build

amber siren
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nothing about that tree makes me happy

craggy pilot
autumn marsh
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Shild and 1 hander giving more stats?

craggy pilot
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on Council Mythic

strong forum
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Still troll

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You're a liability with that

craggy pilot
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oh it has Barbaric Training 🤣

median tulip
autumn marsh
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Thats the pack i had in mind

sick sentinel
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i tried to do AA 15 or something i think, lock said he had 360k dps

median tulip
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It's fun is that pull

sick sentinel
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on the trash before the tree

median tulip
strong forum
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Only 4k behind

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And bear just shits on everyone 10fold

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And boost had 2 PIs

jagged pier
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imagine running a BS build and only doing 4k more

strong forum
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So lmao

autumn marsh
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Tis hilarious how crazy our AOES are

jagged pier
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boost always get PIs

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for no reason

autumn marsh
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I miss the days when I was getting PI's on my hunter before they fucked up the specs

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I really dont regret rolling warrior for this expac

jagged pier
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eh? marksman is one of the best PI specs

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right now

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so is BM

autumn marsh
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Irs been gutted for M+

autumn marsh
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M+ MM and BM are just garbage now :/

craggy pilot
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didnt even see Jakey

sick sentinel
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gimme blessing of summer and PI

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no,autmn

craggy pilot
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Jakey 3rd on mine though 🤔

autumn marsh
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Raiding wise BM is meant to be pretty sexy

jagged pier
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i am third on council

strong forum
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blessing of summer doesnt count for your own damage

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its counted towards the paladin now

jagged pier
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but i was rank 1 for the first 2 weeks

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of the raid

sick sentinel
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that sounds really good to me actually, i get summer and autumn, and then healer can take winter and spring

jagged pier
craggy pilot
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oh both pick Thunderlord over Punish 🤔

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guess thats a Council specific thing

jagged pier
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that build

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is for council

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only

fallen pulsar
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simming for 54k DPS in single target now 😎

jagged pier
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and parse whoring on council

strong forum
fallen pulsar
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gotten a lot of upgrades over the last 1-2 weeks

strong forum
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thats almost 3k more than me

fallen pulsar
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ayyyy

jagged pier
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i mean 4k more than me

fallen pulsar
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its alright, I'll never reach my potential

sick sentinel
jagged pier
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patchwerk 2 mins

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🤔

fallen pulsar
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its set to 2

strong forum
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2 mintes

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CHEATER

fallen pulsar
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ahhh I hate that it doesnt reset

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the settings

sick sentinel
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nome right again in his asumptions

craggy pilot
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😄

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jhahahhaa

fallen pulsar
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brb to be embarrased

sick sentinel
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called it hax

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it was

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run it again 😠

grim grotto
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got a 421 ruby welp trinket. is it still good?

autumn marsh
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Running a sim on myself now, should be a laugh for you all

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It CAN be good it sjust really inconsistent

strong forum
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we dont laugh at anybody

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unless you purposefully make it funny

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then i WILL laugh

fallen pulsar
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see above, where I forgot to set sim to 5 minutes

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nome laughing me all the way back to the raidbots queue

hazy sluice
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Guys

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2 piece

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Still use execute ?

grim grotto
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hmm :/

gloomy turret
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@grim grotto I was told yesterday ruby is sim bait for us

strong forum
gloomy turret
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So. Take it as you will but.. I didn't take the 418 shell I got from vault yday

hazy sluice
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Ok ty for ya teaching zen master

fallen pulsar
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still, huge upgrade over 2 weeks ago

gloomy turret
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@grim grotto bait*

strong forum
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ruby isnt simbait

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its as good as it sims

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but its not better than already known good trinkets

grim grotto
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but it has 20 itemlvl more. so its atleast a lot of strength more overall

strong forum
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well its better than your decoration of flame

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for dmg

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so that isnt wrong

boreal tiger
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do you train it on haste or dmg proc?

spice orbit
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Does the catalyst still kill tertiaries / sockets?

strong forum
toxic pewter
boreal tiger
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@strong forumthx

sick sentinel
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its 5 minutes some reason, should be 3 mins oh well

fallen pulsar
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5 minutes is the correct setting

grim grotto
spice orbit
strong forum
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target a single mob

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use it

young depot
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Good morning! I am just coming back from about a decade away from playing and I am wondering if there is a prefered source to research tanking keybinds/setups

toxic pewter
fallen pulsar
jagged pier
#

dont use mine

craggy pilot
#

with no WFT

fallen pulsar
#

keybinds are probably the most subjective thing

#

and depends on your mouse + keyboard setup

young depot
toxic pewter
spice orbit
torpid thistle
#

So I currently have Lariat+Fangs embelishment, but I am probably taking Seal of Diurna out of the vault. Would it be worth recrafting weapon without embellishment+making belt or is it simply a sim it and find out?

jagged pier
#

yes

toxic pewter
spice orbit
#

yeah and I'm asking if that bug is still present. I was warned about ti yesterdays

toxic pewter
#

Oh, I haven't personally tested so cannot say but should be fixed

velvet hawk
#

suh guys
what do you think if I have lariat ha/ve and crafted weapon ha/ve?
i'll sim obviously as well

toxic pewter
autumn marsh
#

That weapon is pretty sexy

autumn marsh
#

id basically given up raiding as im getting old
And time is less but managed to get a pug raid and it was a lot of fun

#

Chasing the adds on brood was sucky though

sick sentinel
#

so... if i have 4pc bonus now, and i can upgrade it all with valor, what would i spend my futur catalysts on?

craggy pilot
#

yes

toxic pewter
fallen pulsar
sick sentinel
#

oh yeah, thats another part of the voltron prot warrior, shaman for totems

fallen pulsar
#

I think most people do

craggy pilot
#

ye

undone verge
#

Pretty sure you have to go out of your way to not sim with all the buffs

fallen pulsar
#

you do

undone verge
#

They’re just checked by default

craggy pilot
#

damn i need a new helm+chest+cloak jeez

sick sentinel
#

is there lists of what everything can turn into?

shy atlas
#

does any1 know the details code to combine all-totem trinket sources?

jagged delta
#

is 12% vers low for tanking because im prioritizing haste instead?

toxic pewter
sick sentinel
#

im gunna attempt to look up a guide for catalytst, see what everything can turn into, and what has haste,

fallen pulsar
#

my vers is 6% and I'm starting to do 20s

jagged delta
#

ok thanks everyone 🙂

craggy pilot
#

vers wont save you if you fuckup

#

vers just helps the healer on unavoidable dmg

jagged delta
#

do you stance dance while in packs as well?

sick sentinel
#

versa crit, versa mastery...... blehhhhh wtf lol

craggy pilot
fallen pulsar
#

not unless its giga damage intake

craggy pilot
#

DStance if you feel unsafe

fallen pulsar
#

yeah

slim dove
#

i pulled 4 packs in area 3 of nokhud by mistake in a 20

#

def sat in d stance for a bit lmao

fallen pulsar
#

for most normal and expected pulls you can be in bstance without issue

strong forum
#

andy does 26s with 10% vers

#

vers is irrelevant to your success as a tank

fallen pulsar
#

crit gang for life tho

jagged delta
#

yeah i was just wondering because i thought it was low

jagged pier
#

i loved when we were told u need 25% vers to do 20s

#

that was fun

jagged delta
#

still stuck in bfa times i guess

craggy pilot
haughty gulch
#

na servers up yet?

fallen pulsar
#

is that 42 with 5 itf

craggy pilot
fallen pulsar
#

or are you finding infinite haste rn

strong forum
#

i remember a distinct warrior saying you needed 30% vers to do 18s in SL

craggy pilot
#

and haste wep thingie

#

i should maybe go Crit wep thingie

jagged delta
#

havent tanked in a minute so just thought vers was as important as it used to be

fallen pulsar
#

wish NA servers were up

sick sentinel
#

my vers is around 10%

fallen pulsar
#

vers would be much nicer if the damage reduction wasn't half of the damage increase

strong forum
jagged pier
sick sentinel
#

it's that, versa is a good scape goat target

#

and its something that tanks can generally use

haughty gulch
#

what buff should we be taking in academy for tank?

strong forum
#

this whole thing started back in bfa with vers corruption

#

haste

daring marlin
#

crit go brrrrrrrr

sick sentinel
#

yes in BFA that was real

#

guild i was in, dk: "you need more versa"

strong forum
#

the whole vers thing is just make believe that its "the tank stat" cuz it says so on the character sheet with its flat DR

toxic pewter
#

I am gonna get some more mastery

daring marlin
#

Speaking of mastery

#

I miss BoM

fallen pulsar
#

critting and crit blocking, the prot warrior life

strong forum
#

bom was good cuz it was free

deft mortar
#

21 Jade Serpent > 20 HoV > 19 HoV

#

How well the key regresses with idiot DPS players

long stone
#

I have eranog Trinket 402 and council trinket 395 - now i got torch 411 - think i Go with eranog and torch ?

fallen pulsar
#

I hope these new primordial gems coming in 10.0.7 are interesting and not just mandatory stat sticks

hazy sluice
#

Is TC every other global during avatar a lie in ST or is the sim still bugged ?

long stone
#

Or is council so Strong in raid ?

daring marlin
#

free giga mastery

fallen pulsar
#

torch is better for personal, council is better for the group assuming you have each role with it

daring marlin
#

big dam and blocks

deft mortar
#

My engi CR helm cannot catastrophically fail

#

Yet I never had it succeed either

#

I am act gettin tired of it

haughty gulch
#

is the wowhead gear guide accurate for m+ players??

fallen pulsar
#

I would do torch assuming you're the only council trinket holder @long stone

strong forum
#

catastrophic fail is just suicide

crude notch
#

Vers is why Nome can't do WF keys

#

heard it here first

long stone
deft mortar
#

I had to "attempt" to cr my healer twice now

toxic pewter
deft mortar
#

Never once did it work

toxic gyro
deft mortar
#

Well I had to use my Knowledge Points to craft it properly first

#

Given mine is on a head slot I am considering just not having it atm

#

And getting a set piece there

toxic pewter
#

ah yeah once you get the malfunction prevention stuff it is a lot more reliable

long stone
#

So council and torch ? Plus belt and Fire Dmg Ring ?

deft mortar
#

Well firstly I never need to CR ideally as a prot warr

haughty gulch
#

@toxic gyro so would you normally go for the bigger ilvl upgrade everytime?

hazy sluice
deft mortar
#

If I need to CR it means my Resto Druid is dead

fallen pulsar
#

think so @long stone triple council is big for the group

toxic pewter
#

I mean you can always make the bracers instead of the goggles

deft mortar
#

If my resto druid is dead likelihood is I will die casting 4 second thing

toxic pewter
#

Even as tank I find CR useful in certain situations so it is nice to have imo

deft mortar
#

if it fails im dead anyway

fallen pulsar
#

and torch is big damage for you, just remember you can't block/parry/dodge while channeling

deft mortar
#

I use it for casual 15 runs to help friends I guess

toxic gyro
#

Ilvl > haste >crit=vers> mastery is general rule of thumb

fallen pulsar
#

simming is the ultimate answer tho

hazy sluice
# hazy sluice

@strong forum sry for ping but is this true on St with avatar up ?

fallen pulsar
#

for "is this better than that"

haughty gulch
#

can prot warrior attack with sheild in HoV??

hazy sluice
#

Had this question 6 weeks ago and u said the sim logic was kinda bugged with avatar windows

icy bane
haughty gulch
#

@icy bane yes

fallen pulsar
#

I mean, that situation could occur @hazy sluice if you get a ton of lucky resets

icy bane
#

Yeah it’s a “channel” but you can freely use your buttons

fallen pulsar
#

but doubtful in most situations

haughty gulch
#

okay thanks was always to paranoid to test lol didnt wanna drop it and kill everyone

hazy sluice
#

Ah okay so shield slam above everything even during avatar if I get lucky

fallen pulsar
#

yeah

hazy sluice
#

Except for aoe ?

fallen pulsar
#

in 2 targets avatar TC does more damage, but shield block gets more rage and can reset

icy bane
#

TC during avatar does more damage then SS on 2 targets, but you can still weave SS TC R TC etc etc

fallen pulsar
#

shield slam is always prio especially for outburst unless you get into giga targets

strong forum
last nova
#

how good is the broodkeeper ring?

#

just opened vault

fallen pulsar
#

the TC above SS in single target in the prio list is more so people bash it into their head to weave thunderclap

icy bane
#

It’s ok

fallen pulsar
#

but SS is big prio

hazy sluice
#

I'm just so worried about doing it right. I am SS enjoyer and tend to overuse IP while all the SS resets are incoming but i see revenge being kinda top 3 in damage overall from top players and I am just at +20 keys

plush tendon
icy bane
#

32% haste now with no haste chest or gloves

#

Want the damn court of stars chest 421 would be pog

fallen pulsar
#

I'm very close to crossing the magical 35% haste threshold pre itf

hazy sluice
#

Like the rotation is so simple with three buttons yet so weird to know what to prio in different aoe count situations due to all the resets and the revenge set bonus proc

fallen pulsar
#

(with howling rune)

hazy sluice
#

And then there is the avatar phase

icy bane
#

Ye no haste on shield, gloves, chest.. I could be at 35% if those pieces weren’t trolling me

hazy sluice
#

I often kinda just prio shield slam even in high target aoe to increase shield block duration and for rage

strong forum
#

yes thats correct

#

and also prio damage

hazy sluice
#

While others are like revenge TC spamming during cooldown high rage gen phase

last nova
#

I have a one button macro cast sequence shield slam, thunderclap

hazy sluice
#

Okay thx

last nova
#

spam spam spam

strong forum
#

prio dmg is what speeds up keys

#

and single target

#

the aoe pad will be picked up by dps

hazy sluice
#

Yeah felt that especially in bolstering fort week

wraith dove
#

I'm gearing a warrior to have as an alt to do +20 to 24 keys for fun, which crafted items would you go for? Considering I won't probably need the potion one

#

Should I craft shield with spikes on it? Lariat and... Belt?

#

I won't raid with it

strong forum
#

spikes count as embellishment

icy bane
#

I’d say lariat pvp bracers

fallen pulsar
icy bane
#

Or combat rez bracers

last nova
#

i have this ring, very tempted to take it over broodkeeper ring. hmmm...

strong forum
#

that ring is pretty shit

rancid ember
#

lol

strong forum
#

fire ring is prolly your best pick from that vault

mellow patio
rancid ember
#

agreed

last nova
#

i'm 5p

#

don't need tier

rancid ember
#

brood ring > rest of that imo

last nova
#

i don't have a dps OS ring is my angle

#

thanks for the advice

icy bane
#

Ring is bis for fury right?

fallen pulsar
#

thats the shield one up there

ocean bloom
#

id recraft your crafted gear to crit haste tbh

fallen pulsar
#

not the spicy fire one

last nova
#

not the eranog one

ocean bloom
#

then you have good tank gear and good arms gear

last nova
#

I'd take the ring just cause it's rare

fallen pulsar
#

I just want NA servers up already 😦 I dunno why they didnt have the trading post stuff in the tuesday maintenance

last nova
fallen pulsar
#

no

ocean bloom
#

no

last nova
#

more parry is good

ocean bloom
#

crit is for dmg

last nova
#

less vers is bad

ocean bloom
#

faster stuff is dead

#

less dmg you take

fallen pulsar
#

no

#

crit = vers for us

fallen pulsar
#

and vers is not why you would die

icy bane
#

Fem nelf prot warrior with werden set

ocean bloom
#

vers is not enough DR to compensate for bad play

last nova
#

my mind is fucking blown right now

haughty gulch
#

what stat buff do we take in the academy ??

rancid ember
#

unless your in a high-end mythic guild the Heroic Version of that ring will be BIS this whole tier

fallen pulsar
rancid ember
#

5% Haste

last nova
#

so i'm going to take the ring and swap it with the nokhud ring.

deft mortar
#

Love it when

icy bane
#

Another fort crawth week where I wish I was dwarf

rancid ember
#

If you do the Vexamus -> tree -> Crawth run this week you can prob switch Verse for Crawth if you're scared he slaps

deft mortar
#

DPS pops their every CD the moment fresh adds spawn in OA

#

And they get instant 1st melee'd to death

rancid ember
#

Start haste for Vexamus and his trash tho

deft mortar
#

Meanwhile my AoE taunt and all are onCD

strong forum
#

vers is 100% troll pick

deft mortar
#

I do Tree > Vexa > Crawth so I can BL both tree and Crawth

rancid ember
#

Vexa scarier than Tree nowadays

fallen pulsar
#

5% haste is probably bis in AA since it's not affected by diminishing returns

icy bane
#

Don’t need BL on tree realistically

fallen pulsar
#

just free 5% haste

rancid ember
#

In my 20+ keys we go Vexamus - Tree - Crawth for Tyran + BL purposes

deft mortar
#

defo need BL on Crawth atleast

strong forum
#

none of the stats in AA are affected by diminishing returns, but haste is multiplicative

#

if you have 30% haste, you get 7% haste from the buff

deft mortar
#

Tyra week is alot more pug unfriendly than fortified ngl

strong forum
#

not 5

rancid ember
fallen pulsar
#

ah

#

thats really cool

strong forum
#

prolly missplayed then

fallen pulsar
#

I was also kinda wondering why 5 itf stacks gives more than 10%

strong forum
#

1 singular IP woulda done more

#

in that scenario

fallen pulsar
#

but if it's multiplicative it makes sense

rancid ember
#

Yee by end you drained though

sick sentinel
strong forum
#

all haste % increases are multiplicative

rancid ember
#

A little more ST damage would've done he had 5.3% left when I died just barely on 3rd deafening sreech

sick sentinel
#

hes a monk, thats why staff

rancid ember
#

right after anywho

fallen pulsar
#

haste OP

strong forum
#

like

rancid ember
#

maybe. Hard to not just send ava /w immovable could improve my timings

toxic pewter
#

jesus NA maintinence extended to 11am pacific

strong forum
#

its not that ypu dont get anything and that vers woulda only saved you there

toxic pewter
#

feelsbadman

rancid ember
#

( Also I had the haste for this attempt )

toxic pewter
#

y NA always down and EU always up

south zealot
#

eu was deadge last night

fallen pulsar
#

immovable object feels sadge

haughty gulch
#

cause blizz is stupid

south zealot
#

last night for NA timezones

strong forum
#

nah immovable object feels better to play imo

#

much better rotation

#

not this TC spam bullshit

south zealot
#

dude what am i supposed to do for two and a half hours

rancid ember
#

I need more practice with it to take adv of the SW with it

haughty gulch
#

every time i get a good amount of time to play blizz cant do there job and keep the damn game running

strong forum
#

you just time all avatars for peck

fallen pulsar
#

idk, I like tclap spam. many lightning effects with glyph

strong forum
#

he does it often enough

south zealot
#

on tyran academy not playing immovable object is a lil troll IMO

#

its just too much value

strong forum
#

its not needed

#

but it does provide huge value on crawth

haughty gulch
#

wouldnt avatar not be up for every peck tho??

south zealot
#

sure its not needed but it makes it a lot harder

strong forum
#

you get it for every 2nd peck

rancid ember
#

not every peck but alot of them

strong forum
#

then you have other CDs for others

last nova
#

what is the BiS cloak for prot warrior?

strong forum
#
  • healer external + dwarf
south zealot
#

dwarf sadge

#

im a panda man

rancid ember
#

same

#

=]

strong forum
haughty gulch
#

im a human man....

icy bane
south zealot
last nova
#

that is from hov?

strong forum
#

i think so

icy bane
#

Ye

south zealot
#

oh nvm i have the cloak of entanglement or something

icy bane
#

From fenrir

south zealot
#

100 less haste 100 more crit

fallen pulsar
last nova
#

i was thinking poison stained cloak from academy was BiS

deft mortar
#

sucks that I'd legit be immortal vs OA

#

If i had 4th set

#

No need to even press IP

strong forum
#

nah that cloak is low haste

inland adder
#

421 h/v 1h in vault. Do I Pog or Sadge because not strike twice

strong forum
#

ilvl is ilvl

icy bane
#

Ye 421 wep is 421 wep

craggy pilot
#

gotta love it when HC Boon drops, and a full PVP gear Rogue doing 25k dps on the boss wins it

#

and just leaves 😄

#

pugging is amazing

sick sentinel
#

is it still true on rings, i don't think you get str from rings

#

just stam and secondary

haughty gulch
#

wait so we want strike twice??

fallen pulsar
strong forum
#

yes we want strike twice

#

its bis at max ilvl

icy bane
fallen pulsar
#

the proc is essentially a free embellishment

fallen pulsar
#

less powerful than fang adornment but only slightly less

icy bane
#

Only one haste shield from m+ right?

haughty gulch
#

damn why wowhead wrong on every bis item

craggy pilot
last nova
#

fang adornment isn't even good anyways

fallen pulsar
#

they dont take embellishments/procs into consideration iirc @haughty gulch

icy bane
#

Free 1% damage is 1% damage bro

fallen pulsar
#

they just build around stats

strong forum
#

its just a list with all max haste/vers items

#

quickly thrown together

fallen pulsar
#

yeah

last nova
haughty gulch
#

damn so glad i joined this discord

inland raft
#

You a vers guy or crit guy nom?

sick sentinel
sick sentinel
#

i put a large portion of my valor into that

fallen pulsar
#

big crit lmao

#

holy

sick sentinel
#

there was 2 weeks i did only 3 upgrads on shield

icy bane
gloomy iris
#

you look like arms

sick sentinel
#

im still 401 ilvl, 1995 io

#

fart and i get KSM

icy bane
#

If I didn’t piss away my sparks I would’ve made crafted shield

tawny maple
#

Hello Skyhold how are we today

sick sentinel
icy bane
#

Waiting on seventh spark

last nova
icy bane
strong forum
#

same

icy bane
#

Got one on the day introduced drops Giga lucky

fallen pulsar
#

yeah still looking for my 6th

last nova
#

especially now that i have the brood ring i need to make the belt

errant brook
#

LOL, need 3 more 16+s to recraft my shield. 36 declines in a row, and 4 17 CoS groups where the key holder bailed on the 2nd boss last night before I got tired and logged.

toxic pewter
haughty gulch
#

is upgrading gear to max same as getting it in vaults?

last nova
#

bro just do SBG spam

fallen pulsar
#

thinking of turning my 408 dath necklace into a lariat with my 6th spark

#

but would be sad to lose a ton of haste

strong forum
icy bane
#

Valor upgrade 415, vault max 421, crafted max 418

errant brook
#

Tuesday on Stormrage: "+16. 430 ilvl minimum". 🧐

sick sentinel
#

crafted is the item can be garunteed to be anything except for 5 stars

#

its a small bonus, you know what you get before hand

fallen pulsar
errant brook
#

What it feels like.

sick sentinel
#

yes, is joke for sure

errant brook
#

#carrymeharderlyfe

inland raft
#

+2+++ 3200io required vibes

sick sentinel
#

you know why though? because it works!!

fallen pulsar
#

you could guarantee 5 star but you need bis crafting gear and the optional reagent that costs a lot of mettle

sick sentinel
#

for sure, if the group im in can help guide so i can just do my combat thing, thats the ideal scenario if im not sure whre to go

inland raft
#

So i see shards of domination system is coming back according to data mining?

sick sentinel
#

(court of stars....)

sacred remnant
#

Where can I find the list of reflectable casts for m+

fallen pulsar
daring marlin
#

Bring back the borrowed power. Oh yes.

icy bane
#

Court of stars easy to navigate tho

fallen pulsar
#

I didnt play shadowlands, how bad was it to get these gems/socketed gear

inland raft
#

Hopefully its some flavor thing that is actually shit like 402 gear or something, otherwise maybe time to bail before the real shit comes

fallen pulsar
#

really annoying?

daring marlin
#

You had to do the raid.

fallen pulsar
#

ah

sacred remnant
#

they will have to completely change how to get the shards for it to make sense in DF

daring marlin
#

I'm sure that won't be the case with...whatever this abomination is.

sick sentinel
#

is the soccer trinket ever good

#

i got one 395

daring marlin
#

fuck that trinket

inland raft
#

For playing soccer

fallen pulsar
#

idk so far DF has been good with the decision making. Until more info is mined/found out, I'll wait and see

sick sentinel
#

i call it soccer, or football if they don't understand

daring marlin
#

trinket bad

inland raft
#

Ya ill wait and see what it sctually looks like but if its truly borrowed power system again ill jump ship for sure not falling for that again

deft mortar
#

ngl its a red flag when groups look further for non-prot warr tanks

fallen pulsar
#

I would just hate if shit like the gem that requires you to stand still is BiS

daring marlin
#

Only trinket like that I ever enjoyed was the Tomb one.

deft mortar
#

Legit means the group leader is bad

haughty gulch
#

should tank be getting soccer balls at bird boss in Academy?

inland raft
#

Yes

deft mortar
#

i just sit my ass

sick sentinel
inland raft
#

You literally have nothing else to do besides cycle defensives and pool rage for ip so may as well toss balls

deft mortar
#

if a prot warr is there

errant brook
#

I liked poop rage better.

deft mortar
#

tf u looking for

#

there is nothing else in the game

fallen pulsar
#

??? lmao

daring marlin
#

A non fotm tank clearly

fallen pulsar
#

wut

inland raft
#

Only bad tank is bear right now

#

But i agree its weirdge when they say no prot

deft mortar
#

Any tank that isnt prot warr is default bad

jagged pier
#

no

fallen pulsar
#

that is categorically wrong lmao

daring marlin
#

Agmius prolly played bdk in s1 of bfa

#

"Mfs picking non bdks bad"

plush tendon
#

S1 Blood was fun

#

❤️

#

So was War

deft mortar
#

if u dont have every tank class max level

plush tendon
#

VDH was poopy

deft mortar
#

idk what u doing

#

patch notes move 2 fast

#

I dont gear them but they are there just in case

#

takes a week anyway

inland raft
#

I only main prot idc if we are so bad we actively heal enemies ill main prot

#

But i play most tanks as alts

icy bane
#

Brew gang rise up

haughty gulch
#

i dont get Fotm picking, i only need the tank/class i play to be able to do 15's for that sweet sweet mount! (not this one tho)

daring marlin
#

Even when people dogged us in S1

errant brook
#

If every season is a reskin of this mount, I just might need to burn down a building.

strong forum
#

it will be

daring marlin
#

Damage 📈

strong forum
#

KSM and Glad mounts are always just reskins

#

always

haughty gulch
inland raft
#

Fotm picking has its place if your aiming for the seasonal title, but outside that ya just play what enjoy

strong forum
#

it has never deviated from that rule

fallen pulsar
#

rip, I wish we could get DF dragon model redesign as a KSM reward like how raid and PVP has one

strong forum
#

1 xpac = same skin for glad and same skin for KSM mount, just diff colour

#

there is a possibility that its diff in DF

#

but i wouldnt count on it

daring marlin
#

Too bad m+ doesn't get a dragonriding skin

fallen pulsar
#

yeah

icy bane
daring marlin
#

big sadge

fallen pulsar
#

I want a dragonriding skin

daring marlin
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Glad one looks fuckin' cool

haughty gulch
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yeah i know it will be reskin but this my first xpac actually going for 15's so gotta work at making 15's easier for me personally so in future xpacs with non shit mounts i can get those too

daring marlin
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Make it require all 20s

inland raft
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Just wonder ehat they plan to do with dragon riding next expansion, i cant imagine them going back to old flying but also im sure designing zones around it takes a lot of extra dev work

haughty gulch
fallen pulsar
sick sentinel
plush tendon
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so now we have super swimming

sick sentinel
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or it has armor or some shit

plush tendon
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with a submarine

errant brook
strong forum
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dont do underwater shit.

cloud umbra
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please not another underwater zone

fallen pulsar
dusky canopy
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KSH is all 18s now right?

haughty gulch
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i want every mount to have flying, lots of other games have it and we have soooo many cool ground mounts that get little to no use

slim dove
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underground expac, nerubian empire v2

fallen pulsar
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no

fallen pulsar
plush tendon
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or, what about a expansion where the whole zone is a big city

sick sentinel
slim dove
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the no flying expac

plush tendon
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and you have to take public transit to get places

sick sentinel
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no sewer maps blizzard

dusky canopy
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That’s odd I could of swore I got the achiev at 2500 but Idr

strong forum
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wod was supposed to be no-fly expac

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iirc

haughty gulch
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why did everyone hate vash i thought it was great

fallen pulsar
sick sentinel
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its called dragon flight and first thing they do is give you dragon that flies

plush tendon
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but not like flight point transit; im talking like train between Stormwind to Ironforge

errant brook
dusky canopy
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Word I had a few above and 1 below 18 when I got mine

deft mortar
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Does frog skip in azure vault still work?

north dew
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What do you think, is it worth to recraft gear from haste/versa to haste/crit?

plush tendon
errant brook
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Deserter buff for hopping the turnstyle.

plush tendon
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now ya scewed

dusky canopy
sick sentinel
cloud umbra
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@deft mortar it worked yesterday

deft mortar
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after azureblade right?

cloud umbra
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ya the drop down

deft mortar
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Thanks man

north dew
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im good defensive wise, so my aim is to maximise my dmg output

inland raft
sick sentinel
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we just get like a little card in the mail

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holograph

north dew
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Gold is not my problem

fallen pulsar
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crit is better for damage than vers

dusky canopy
north dew
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Ok alright.

sick sentinel
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i managed to get 2 of those alchemy pockets, sold them both for 100k

fallen pulsar
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you could always sim yourself with artificially inserted gear in your simc

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that has different stats

dusky canopy
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Got alchemy pocket on the first soup haven’t seen one since lolol

sick sentinel
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each, so i got to spend tons of gold on buying appearances and recipes and what not

north dew
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What do you guys use for prot m+ sim? Dungeonslice or some custom settings?

plush tendon
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ST Patwork 5 min

dusky canopy
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Patchwork 5 targets and play with the length

plush tendon
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5T patchwork

inland raft
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I need to start doing boosts i think, ive spent a lot of gold over last couple expacs without farming any. End of legion i had multiple gold capped chars now down to only a few mil

fallen pulsar
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I wish Potion Absorption Inhibitor didnt take an embellishment slot like the food buff one

plush tendon
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do both, gives a good idea of what you should do