protection

[strong forum]

open details options and youll see it

[prisma crane]

ok thanks

[grim nymph]

alright, we are 421 welp enjoyers. Also got a 23 HoV, which is definitely doable

[prisma crane]

yea ouch... as a non-raider im pretty happy overall, havent even really done big keys but im close to 415 equipped

[pallid quiver]

I'm a glue eater 🙂

[royal rune]

is 421 welp a goer?

[strong forum]

its alright

not terrible

[warm plinth]

Fenryr on 23 tyr is scary 😭

[pallid quiver]

a lot of my sbg runs go very slowly because people manage to commit suicide somehow

[grim nymph]

Fenryr is easy

[strong forum]

im currently uploading the most cursed smbg+20 from tonight

[grim nymph]

Odyn is scary

[strong forum]

[prisma crane]

you mean every single group on first TJS boss in the game?

[drifting needle]

Is trampled hooves trinket target capped by the way?

[warm plinth]

I guess Fenryr is easier now

[strong forum]

its split dmg

[warm plinth]

I forgot the bleed nerf

[pallid quiver]

Yooooo, that so hard, Kro

[strong forum]

so its soft capped

[drifting needle]

Ahhh.

[strong forum]

but tample hooves isnt bad

[pallid quiver]

Mari's got hands

I can't see 'em, but they're there

[drifting needle]

Got all trinkets at 405 and deciding which to bang to 415 this week

[strong forum]

rppm so it can mega highroll

[warm plinth]

Maybe you can take 4 seconds to get runes now

instead of 3

[strong forum]

only whetstone

[warm plinth]

with the 20% nerf

[strong forum]

save the rest of your valor for rings/singular items

[drifting needle]

Had that 415 weeks yeh

Nothing else left to spend on

417.6 ilvl gang

[prisma crane]

ive just been spending valor on random off pieces to get em capped

[strong forum]

[royal rune]

do i need a new shield? 402 and i'm trying to tank 19's 20's

[pallid quiver]

where can i see this cursed run

[strong forum]

shield is your most important item to get ilvl on

[strong forum]

youtube soon tm

[jade trench]

Shields are your priority slot

[warm plinth]

I put 0 thought into my valor usage because I just craft the important shit lol

So I just spend it, idgaf

[royal rune]

hmm good to know!

[pallid quiver]

i cram my valor into whetstone

Me make cut

[drifting needle]

So question is, dragon games/trampled hooves/ruby whelp to 415 👀

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/EpZPFby.png

[warm plinth]

My whetstone is 411; I can't upgrade to 415 yet because I'm a scrub 2200 player atm

[prisma crane]

honestly one of the biggest wins of DF is crafting and it's single handedly made the BS valor cap a bit less BS

[strong forum]

phew...

thats actually tough

ruby is fun when it procs

so defo that

[warm plinth]

I'm happy for crafters tbh. It's a breath of fresh air for them and I hope they keep up with this

[pallid quiver]

Oh this sounds like when I'm made to run with my friend's friends

[warm plinth]

But dungeon loot still needs work

[grim nymph]

My whetstone is 405. Probably gonna upgrade legs to 415 then tier them to get 4set

[prisma crane]

totally agreed @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Especially if they're gonna keep bringing back these old dungeons with fucked loot tables.

[strong forum]

and dragon games doesnt have variation, so its just solid all around

[prisma crane]

now for them to just fucking make engineering great again....

[warm plinth]

Halls of Valor has 18 pieces of loot for my main's spec. SBG has 2.

[tropic tangle]

IMO run your own key, with a 20 SBG and 19 CoS those are propping your score up pretty hard

[warm plinth]

Like what the fuck is that

[prisma crane]

its also barbaric

[tropic tangle]

I'm guessing most of your other keys are 17 or lower?

[warm plinth]

Krotos I stg

[pallid quiver]

They're always like "I've never played pally before but he's 380 and im the hottest shit around, let's hit this 20"

[prisma crane]

[drifting needle]

Yeh kinda intrigued with sending on that first.. no harm no foul until 424 grief

[prisma crane]

i can just test but i figured i'd ask, i know something like whetstone isnt affected by avatar, but what about BV DS?

cuz lately i've just been hedging my bets and DS before i use it

[royal rune]

13/13 is 415?

[grim nymph]

whetstone is affected by BV

[royal rune]

mythic items that is

[prisma crane]

cool i figured as such

ty

[strong forum]

no its not

[prisma crane]

well

[strong forum]

BV only counts for class dmg

[prisma crane]

guess i figured wrong

[strong forum]

same as avatar

they dont affect trinkets or dmg procs

[grim nymph]

I tested on dummies....let me re-check

[sand mason]

Pain. I just macrod my whet to avatar fml

[shut wing]

yo yo need some help with vault

[prisma crane]

lez hear it

[vale escarp]

Warlocks get f**ked even more, there best trinket drops in SBG but only for healspecs

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1160/demoralizing-shout look on this page. Demo Shout is whitelisted

[shut wing]

currently 3/4 tier with the catalyst slam available

heres the vault

my pants are the 389 tier

[prisma crane]

is your totem already heroic?

[pseudo edge]

so whats the benefits of Heavy Repercussions over into the Frey?

[grim nymph]

4set is almost useless

[fallen pulsar]

just pink parsed heroic terros 😄

[shut wing]

totem is on heroic

[strong forum]

4pc is not almost useless what

[prisma crane]

block uptime

[strong forum]

what have you been smoking

[small warren]

RNgeezus was with me in this day

[grim nymph]

It's less valuable than big ilevel

[strong forum]

depends on slot

but no its not

it adds alot of defensive value in m+

[shut wing]

gloves are 402 heroic diamond etched

[strong forum]

ive literally drop 26 ilvl on glvoes and 13ilvl on pants to get 4pc for m+

[prisma crane]

what's ur M+ rating @shut wing

[strong forum]

currently still dropping 13ilvl on pants

[shut wing]

2k

pushing further than that

[grim nymph]

I have normal legs and dropped 4pc for 405

[prisma crane]

probably gloves i guess then

saves the catalyst charge

[pseudo edge]

in favour of HR?

[shut wing]

and then use catalyst on what?

helm?

[prisma crane]

and you can get pant drops higher than 389 from dungeons if you wanted and upgrade it w/ valor

[quartz briar]

Do we want tier head or chest same ilvl

[grim nymph]

Yeah, this week is the week I can catalyst it into tier for 415 tier legs :p

[shut wing]

my helm is 402 rn

[prisma crane]

i tend to look at what a vault can get me that regular play either cannot or isnt as reliable

in your case, the raid slots are pointless

[grim nymph]

Maybe if I was doing big keys I'd notice the defensive value of 4p, but in 22s and 23s last week I didn't feel squishy at all

[prisma crane]

the bracers are 418 but its also only bracers and you can craft 418, which leaves you w/ gloves and pants

[shut wing]

right

[prisma crane]

humble brag alert!

[prisma crane]

if you get gloves, you save a catalyst charge

and gives you options later on

even though the pants may be a bigger upgrade today

i'd probably lean towards gloves

[strong forum]

you cant outright notice trickle healing

but its there

[unique mortar]

Is there a weakaura or add-on or something folks use to track agro? I was doing Terros the other night with my brother and accidentally pulled the agro off of him a few times.

[strong forum]

it adds a couple thousand to IP every time you press a button

even when IP is down, cuz 4pc applies a fresh IP

[prisma crane]

dont notice that but you'll sure as shit notice overkills that are under 10k lol

[strong forum]

so it enables BrV again

[warm plinth]

Tell him to play his spec better

[shut wing]

ok

[shut wing]

what do you thin?

[unique mortar]

To be fair, we were both tanks!

[shut wing]

gloves?

[indigo gulch]

if the fire rings good for us?

[warm plinth]

Yes, I assumed as much

He needs to play better

[prisma crane]

yes but you need crafted belt

[strong forum]

its between gloves or pants

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't be peeling off him if he's playing properly

[strong forum]

pants is bigger stat gain rn

[honest drift]

Hi all, I need a little help, I currently have 3p of my Tier set and this week I was going to change a piece to Tier to get my 4 set. However, in my vault I got a new helm which replaces my tier helm so now if I change that over I am back to only having 3 piece this week.

Is it worth holding onto the helm and get 4p this week and then next week change the heml over to tier?

[strong forum]

yeah sounds worth it

[warm plinth]

That's what I would do

[shut wing]

so catalyst on pants?

and pray for gloves off dath?

[unique mortar]

Alright, I'll check some Pally prot guides too.

[grim nymph]

Just checked on dummies again, and it's not affected. Dunno how I screwed up the check the first time.

[strong forum]

its not mandatory to run 4pc TODAY, longterm you benefit from getting high ilvl pieces to catalyse

[plush pagoda]

Hey yall lookin for opinions would yall take 3 ilv shield upgrade or 13 ilv boot upgrade

[limber python]

is 421 CoS attack ring or 418 fire shield ring better

[strong forum]

shield is a bigger defensive gain, boots are a bigger offensive gain

[shut wing]

true

[strong forum]

thats a sim question

[shut wing]

thanks for the help king

[strong forum]

on aoe cos ring is better

oh its shield ring

then its up to you

[plush pagoda]

ty

[strong forum]

shield ring is solid, cos ring is ultra bis

[shut wing]

jewled signet?

[strong forum]

ye

[honest drift]

Thanks! So it sounds like I should do my original plan to convert a piece to tier this week to get 4p and then next week change the higher ilvl helm to tier?

[shut wing]

got that 🙂

[strong forum]

also works yeah

[honest drift]

Thanks!

[grave orchid]

stupid question but
Infurious Helm of Vengeance
this isnt an embellishment right since it doesnt say. Do most warriors use this?

[strong forum]

it is an embellishment

[unique mortar]

Do folks usually have charge and shield charge mapped to the same key?

[strong forum]

no

[daring marlin]

why would you

[shut wing]

why

[fluid linden]

where was the list of solid way to proc the fire dmg rings ?

[strong forum]

its just frostfire belt

[shut wing]

the belt that does fire damage

[fluid linden]

ya like belt and the trinket right

[strong forum]

trinkets are insanely unreliable

[fluid linden]

true

[strong forum]

as they only deal dmg once every 2 minutes

[prisma crane]

both of mine are on teh same mouse button, but SC is a shift modifier

[unique mortar]

Oh, that's a good way to do it.

[prisma crane]

i do, and others do, have intercept macro with charge though so it works for both if you have intercept talented

[restive crown]

what happens if u catalyst a trinket?

[prisma crane]

wont work

[untold pond]

u get the transmog

[strong forum]

[bronze pier]

In general I feel pretty self-sufficient as a protection warrior in most keys but the bleeds on Crawth in AA and 2nd boss RLP just destroy me. Even with rotating defensives it doesn't feel like I have an answer that doesn't rely on external heals. Is that just The Way It Is or am I fucking up? I do bank up rage to dump on Ignore Pain (keeping SB up obviously) and have a defensive for most hits - Demo Shout, Last Stand, Wall, Defensive Stance if neither of these are available on Crawth, specifically, since he bites more than twice every ~30 seconds.

lmao im dumb it's in the pins

[shut wing]

^ would like to know this as well

[coarse flower]

@bronze pier double wall in that key is good

[grim nymph]

Should have enough for most of Crawth's hits

[strong forum]

double wall is whack

you gain nothing

[bronze pier]

double wall also meant i felt rage starved since you lose that rage generation on slam specifically on ST

[grim nymph]

And yeah, don't go double wall

[strong forum]

you can SW every 2nd bleed

you can SW every 3rd bleed on crawth

if you play double wall

you get less over the course of the fight

[bronze pier]

I felt like there was always one bleed I didn't have something outside of Defensive Stance for after the initial rotation

[strong forum]

you gain nothing

[coarse flower]

nah you dont really care about the early bleeds though

tell your healer 1 heal

[strong forum]

you dont use it on first bleed

obv

but like, why play double wall

[coarse flower]

you press double wall when your healer struggles with 4th/5th screech

[strong forum]

you just get weaker

[bronze pier]

yeah so that was kind the question like - is it just a "the healer does have to heal you" on this boss? I've been playing a lot of DK so I have kinda forgotten how that feels kEKW

[steep wraith]

You shouldn't need much of a heal in ruby

[strong forum]

they absolutely have to heal you

[shut wing]

if i dont take double wall what should i take instead?

[strong forum]

unless its an evoker

they just remove the bleed

and you rotate SW and TD

and are literally immortal

[daring marlin]

tempted to go dorf again

[bronze pier]

it was an evoker but they didnt know where the remove bleed button was so lets just pretend it's a different healer.

[daring marlin]

dark iron life baby

[strong forum]

yeah lmao

[bronze pier]

alright cool so it sounds like that is just the way it is and i'm not misplaying massively to find that boss tough

[shut wing]

can u link ur ideal mythic talent tree

[steep wraith]

Make sure you spell reflect on rlp to reduce the fire elementals damage that lands at the same time too

[strong forum]

its in pins

[shut wing]

ty]

[steep wraith]

And same with crawth, spell reflect the aoe

[timber terrace]

You can be a dwarf or just get healed dots are one of the only warrior weakness

[grim nymph]

Pretty sure SR doesn't affect crawth's screech?

[steep wraith]

It's nature damage

So yes it will

[bronze pier]

so SpB would work on it as well

[strong forum]

SR is magic dmg reduction

.

its not just reflect

[grim nymph]

huh, thought it was phys

[strong forum]

if it was phys

youd care even less about it

[strong forum]

spb works on everything

[bronze pier]

well, except for physical hits :p

I was under the impression it was physical which is why I was like ???

[strong forum]

what is spb in your context

[daring marlin]

Just got 4pc. How much am I gonna love it?

[bronze pier]

spell block

[strong forum]

LOL

i thought you meant spirit bomb

[bronze pier]

:p

not to change the topic quickly. with regards to the 4pc bonus I've been viewing it as something that's nice to keep up if I can but not at the expense of IP (and definitely not at SB). Is that about right? On AoE packs in M+ it's easy to keep because you have infinite rage but on bosses in particular I can feel a little more hungry for rage esp without an enhance shaman. it also feels like it's best to not try to keep it up in execute unless you really need the DR because for damage output just slamming execute as a rage spender is probably better. is that about right?

[sonic eagle]

for M+ would you guys rock both seals?

or is jeweled + thunderous better?

[strong forum]

id run melandrus + fire dmg ring

[strong forum]

4pc gets better on aoe

[sonic eagle]

gotchu thanks

shield one is 418 thouhg ugh

[strong forum]

cuz your dmg intake increases, therefor your IP falls of quicker and your dmg output increases, therefor the 15% absorb leech gain alot more traction

[bronze pier]

right, plus revenge is just more useful on more targets for damage output as well

[strong forum]

your rotation doesnt change with tierset

[old flame]

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, armory link for reference

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

[strong forum]

you should send alot of revenges regardless

[bronze pier]

OK, but basically dont try to actively maintain the buff unless it falls into your lap/dont use revenge more than you otherwise would be

that makes sense, thank you

[strong forum]

cloak

or ring, if you dont wanna grind it

also get rid of your stamina sockets

make them haste > crit/vers sockets

[old flame]

it was the gems i had,

[strong forum]

and get a mainstat gem

[old flame]

yes boss

what's the haste crit gem called?

[strong forum]

uuuuuuuuhhhh

fierce?

something

[old flame]

kk

[strong forum]

maybe

idk

[pulsar sedge]

Fierce illimited diamond

[grand saddle]

Is incarnate/whetstone the bus trinkets

[steel mauve]

craft ysemerald is haste > crit gem

[bronze pier]

bus
yes

[steel mauve]

crafty*

[old flame]

is the AA damage that good?

[bronze pier]

it's free damage that youre always doing

[strong forum]

its the 2nd highest haste ring in the game

its haste crit ring

and free AA damage

so yeah, its pretty good

[old flame]

sounds like a keeper

[bronze pier]

my blood dk has downpour + jeweled signet and my warrior is very sad to not have it

[sonic eagle]

so ur saying chosen + melandrus right?

despite the 418 Filian

[strong forum]

yeah thats what im rocking

[sonic eagle]

395 Chosen vs 418 Flial**

[strong forum]

id run flial

[sonic eagle]

should i run both chosen and flial?

[strong forum]

at those ilvl differences flial provides more value

eeeh

depends on what you want

[sonic eagle]

i wanna do more damage

[strong forum]

chosen is more ST damage

melandrus is more aoe dmg

[sonic eagle]

chosen or Melandrus

[strong forum]

flial is more defensive

[sonic eagle]

oh okay

[grim nymph]

how is melandrus AOE damage?

[sonic eagle]

Flial for sure but now im torn for Melandrus vs chosen

[strong forum]

haste+crit

[grim nymph]

oh, the secondaries

[sonic eagle]

742 vers on chosen though

thts huge

jeez

[strong forum]

its like 3.6%

🤷‍♂️

[twin elbow]

are either of the alchemy trinkets good for prot warrior or stay away?

[strong forum]

nothing noteworthy

[bronze pier]

sheesh. that boss slaps

[strong forum]

yes

but if you get evoker

that boss does nothing to you

[bronze pier]

yeah, i understand. unfortunately, i almost exclusively pug, so it is what it is

[strong forum]

andy did that on +25 and the healer barely had to heal him

andy did 30k hps and healer only needed to do 45k hps

[bronze pier]

I'm not sure who andy is?

but I get your point, yeah. just need to find a more stable group to play with, I suppose. that has an evoker. :p

[strong forum]

the pretty much best tank in the game

[fallen pulsar]

broke 100k on heroic council 😄

[south zealot]

yo nomer how much do u sim st

[strong forum]

like uh 52k?

ish

[south zealot]

ok

tyty

[toxic pewter]

nice almost at 2k

[icy citrus]

how about that 1 mil. hit ^^

[ripe cave]

do sims feel super off for anyone else?

[ripe cave]

curious what you would use if you had a choice from these trinkets. i have enough valor to upgrade any of the others to 415. currently trying to farm a whetstone.

[near pewter]

thoughts on this at 421?

[warm plinth]

Garbage

[hardy snow]

decent str increase if you dont have anything good

[pallid hare]

do you want pure damage or a more balanced trinket? for raid or M+? do you have other people with icon?

[ripe cave]

m+ mostly

[nimble laurel]

It isn't terrible but definitely not ideal. I use it because I don't have a better option. It does 10% of my overall HPS but only 1% overall DPS

[turbid shuttle]

any ideas what are some good ways to get sparks?

besides just "do content"

I ran about 40 keys last week and got 0

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's just rng, do stuff, maybe get spark

[turbid shuttle]

rip

[toxic pewter]

I read somewhere even with the drop rate blizz wants them to drop around 1 per 2 weeks

I dont know how true that is but I did read it somewhere

[woeful reef]

Do we get 1 catalyst per week for the rest of the season now? And chars can only hold a max of 6? Or is it we only get 6 total for the whole season?

[warm plinth]

1 per week, max of 6 unspent at one time

[urban portal]

dang wish it was infinite ly like SL

[slim dove]

it will be eventually.

likely

[woeful reef]

1 per for rest of season right ?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Why does it matter if it's infinite though? How many charges are you planning to use lol

[plain vapor]

how useless is this trinket

[warm plinth]

It's good in ST

Minor inconvenience for some people; I don't mind it myself

[south zealot]

how unenthical is it to run this in raid

[strong forum]

youll regret your life choices

[tranquil vale]

What do you guys think of the allied wrists of companionship? Worth crafting?

[strong forum]

pretty solid

1% vers with 100% uptime

[south zealot]

regret choices in what way

from the floor?

[strong forum]

youll be squishy

and youll do very little damage

[south zealot]

[strong forum]

max execute build is barely any dmg gain

and youll just get shlappad

[south zealot]

ok ill just run punish and shield block talent

[strong forum]

like go test it

but itll be kaka to play

[pallid quiver]

i wonder what the worst build you could bring to raid and still get away with under an actual attentive RL

[strong forum]

didnt somebody make the worst builds imaginable

and post em here

[south zealot]

ill try it on heroic eranog since we are starting with hskip

[strong forum]

truly cursed stuff

[warm plinth]

Yeah @undone verge is the creator of those cursed concoctions.

[scenic mural]

i played w a warrior running sonic boom on heroic terros

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/u7i8.gif

[pallid quiver]

I'd normally say legend, but my personal dislike of sonic boom is so high, I still hate that warrior

Now that sonic boom

i can get behind that

[pallid quiver]

we need more top-tier guile games, someone prove me wrong

[scenic mural]

he also did 10k so

[silver ice]

bruh

[warm plinth]

Has shield charge, build too good

[pallid quiver]

I remember seeing that comment

[round pendant]

How many people should I be accepting into HC Raz raids? is there a particular size that makes pugging it realistic? Basically if I go for large groups then it's guaranteed that people leave if we wipe (even tho I was gonnna boot the guy who died to breath, etc.) Is it feasible to 2/2/6 it?

[pallid hare]

is there any reason my sims recommend crafted writs be almost opposite stats compared to simming preferred gems?

[round pendant]

oops this is the wrong channel

[craggy pilot]

love when doing a weekly 18 45minutes before the server resets

everything looking fine

until last boss and wipe 4 times cus people cant fucking kick adds...

45minutes wasted

[warm plinth]

Must be NO

[craggy pilot]

yes

fun dungeon

that last boss is fucking ridiculous

1 million shit on the floor, while 4 adds need to be kicked, or people get 1 shot

and this is even on Fort

...

[warm plinth]

just grippy hands the adds

[craggy pilot]

when you have DK in grp, they grip the adds under the boss, so you cant see shit, and you die to swirley

all the time 😄

[turbid shuttle]

was the problem that they didn't get kicked in to start, or that they didn't get kicked after being gathered?

auto-marker + "call your kicks" as you're doing the 2 mini bosses helps with the former

[craggy pilot]

didnt get gathered at all

wasnt tanking

the tank was ultra pepega

[turbid shuttle]

ah

[craggy pilot]

i did call kicks

and called hunter to trap one

and didnt get trapped 🙂

[urban portal]

in SL the moment you dinged 60 you had like 10 charges ready

so you can just tier some ranom world quest gear

[craggy pilot]

i love it when we have 10min until server resets

[urban portal]

and still have enough to tier real gear

[warm plinth]

I mean after a while sure. Not instantly though.

[craggy pilot]

and tank just insta goes the hardest boss of dungeon without talking first

we got to the boss with literally 10min left

[warm plinth]

If you have 6 charges, you can still use them right away and still have 2 left to use on real gear right away. Idk how it's a problem. How fast you really think you're getting that "real gear"

[urban portal]

well if it was SL

you could get max ilvl-10 in like 1 week

[warm plinth]

Sure but this isn't SL. We have shit dungeon loot this expansion 😂

[pallid quiver]

ghash, give to me the secret knowledge

do i open vault in prot in hopes for a 421 shield over my 418 but instead get tank trinks
or do i open in arms in hope for DPS trinks/2H wep for OS but instead get, uh...

well there's not really anything i'd be butthurt to get under arms but muh 3 ilvl on shield

[round pendant]

Need to go dps spec for grieftorch right?

[foggy ruin]

socket better or leech better

[hollow stratus]

hmmm can anyone help me with my chest pick this week?

I have a 415 haste vers weapon, I upgraded from 390 with valor

I got a 418 strike twice

[warm plinth]

I am 100% prot til 421 shield/weapon personally

[hollow stratus]

I also have a 415 tier peice, but got a 418 non tier peice chest, I can convert down the road

[pallid quiver]

That's me on my logic brain

but

monkey brain say damej gud

[strong forum]

Ilvl > stats

especially on weapon and shield

[hollow stratus]

I also the the 418 tier helm, but I have a crafted 418 helm already

got the*

[round pendant]

I'm planning on sticking with my crafted sword/shield til 418, should I go dps spec for vault since I want grieftorch/whetstone?

I'm 400 ilvl 🤔

[pallid quiver]

damn

i still don't get 4p

i gotta wait another week now smh

[warm plinth]

Have you tried getting it?

[pallid quiver]

Not hard enough

i'm a lazy man

I got 421 on one of the slots i have tier in

but it's not tier

[round pendant]

I just need like a 10-11/13 chest and shoulders and I'll have tier this week by converting

[pallid quiver]

so i'mma have to catalyze it

to retain 2p

at least it got leech on it tho

[pallid hare]

are the 418 darkmoon cards that strong for M+?
they are simming particularly high for me on a 5-target/3-min/no-lust, higher than almost any other trinket option

[warm plinth]

I'll have 2pc on war once I get something worth converting if that makes you feel any better.

[pallid quiver]

I was so excited to have 4p this week ;-;

i didn't even account for my best option being to tell 4p to fuck off

[warm plinth]

woyer just my bebe alt though

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/rennick look at the cute lil bastard

[round pendant]

You have the same boots as me

[warm plinth]

#twinning

[undone verge]

No mine was better

[round pendant]

my trinkets suck

[warm plinth]

Did you not see my trinkets 😂

[tidal ocean]

How important is our 4 set?

[round pendant]

They're pretty good!!!

oh that whelp shell is 372 oof

[undone verge]

I call it ‘ST’

[warm plinth]

Not very in raid, very strong in keys

[warm plinth]

sadly we are both the wrong race 😢

[round pendant]

Wdym?

[sudden palm]

Wut's the addon for your talent loadouts?

[haughty gulch]

has the valor gap been removed yet?

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/ZVJw.gif

[warm plinth]

dwarf master race

[round pendant]

I wish I was a tauren tbh

transmogs look cooler

[glacial ridge]

Says right there: Talent Loadout Ex

[sudden palm]

Neat

[undone verge]

Talent loadout Ex

[sudden palm]

Thank you

[undone verge]

I’m proud of my name for rasz

She’s the grinch who stole Christmas

[fallen pulsar]

woot, got AotC 😄

[round pendant]

in a pug?

[fallen pulsar]

nah guild prog

[round pendant]

I get a feeling I'm never clearing hc in pugs

lmao

gz tho

[toxic pewter]

Rasz is a super raid leader fight

if you have a good raid leader it helps so much

[pine lotus]

I don’t have the 4p yet, does it create an ignore pain if you don’t currently have one up? Or does it only add to existing

[fierce rune]

is battle-scarred veteran bugged?

[fierce rune]

it seems to be proccing when im at like 80+% health

[tulip kelp]

Anyone know what I can do with my 3K primal chaos

[strong forum]

It applies ignore pain

That's why it's so good

[strong forum]

Craft a billion pots

[hollow stratus]

418 strike twice vs 415 haste vers sword from AA?

or get 418 tier chest vs a 415 tier chest (currently a 412 chest, so I wouldnt have to spend valor to get to 415)

[flat jackal]

How good is rumbling ruby?

[hollow stratus]

which saves me about 475 valor

[flat jackal]

i got a 415 but idk if it's worth using

[warm plinth]

Yes, it procs off pre-mitigation damage. You should not use it (you shouldn't use it anyway but you really shouldn't use it while it's bugged).

[strong forum]

418 weapon

[hollow stratus]

Blazebinder's Hoof considered good for tanking?

seems like a legit trinket

[fierce rune]

ahh okey. I was taking it as a bonus panic defensive when im progging

thx for the info!

[warm plinth]

The problem is that it doesn't proc until you go below 30% health. Which means it's doing nothing before that point, and it isn't dynamic (meaning if you took a hit from 50% to 10%, it's doing nothing to any of that). And it's not a cheat death. If something takes you from 31% to 0%, you're still dying

[fierce rune]

ohh

yeah i can see why thats bad

i thought it meant if i would drop that low

id get the effect instead

so id miss on that one hit

wow thats really bad xd

[reef holly]

Should I use barbaric training?

[warm plinth]

You wanna fight

https://tenor.com/bDlQb.gif

[reef holly]

Congrats- so close

[reef holly]

That lil guy is funny AF

[warm plinth]

ikr

[halcyon dust]

Big toe worth?

[strong forum]

It's even bugged

It procs at 50-60% already

So it's virtually useless

[strong forum]

Not amazing not terrible

[restive crown]

blaze hoof or decoration is better?

[strong forum]

I'd say hoof

But that's just a sim question

[reef holly]

https://raider.io/characters/us/archimonde/Goretaur Should I open my vault as prot? I finally got enough of the purple orbs to make recraft 418 shield

[halcyon dust]

Have 402 rumbling ruby, 402 decoration o' flame, 405 whetstone.
415 Big toe in vault

[strong forum]

The defensive part of flame of decoration is laughable

[strong forum]

I'd open as prot, there are only 2 bad trinkets in m+

But the chance to get 421 weapon/shield is higher than a bad trinket

[reef holly]

Thanks man. I’ve done all 16s last week so I think the vault is 415? Going to hold off on crafting shield unless I get one in vault

[strong forum]

Oh only 415s

Then uh doesn't matter much

Then don't pick shield from vault

And instead upgrade it

[sick sentinel]

how does the lighting storm wipe the group

like as in how to prevent it

[strong forum]

Orbs going through to boss and giving him dmg increase

[reef holly]

Cheers sir

Healer needs to be picking up a lot of orbs

[sick sentinel]

and my job is to get the balls close to boss and then range and other dps gets far ones?

cuz its not like i can run out, not without SR

[warm plinth]

Your job is to get orbs that look like they're going to hit the boss, yes

[sick sentinel]

that, and im not sure, it could just be bad tanking, we kicked prety much everything on boss 1 trash, but that trash still nuked us again

i think i wasn't going on top of the bow man making all the mobs come to it for more dps, and thus losing aggro

[warm plinth]

There's only like one thing to kick on that trash anyway

[strong forum]

Everybody picks a section around the boss

Everybody soaks the orbs that pass by them

[warm plinth]

The longbowman need to die fast because they will charge your ranged and make them cry

[strong forum]

Everybody should soak orbs, don't snipe other peoples spot

You have 5 people, everybody spread around the boss

Soak.

That's it

[sick sentinel]

welp, 2 times in a row on +12 nokhud, he casted lighting storma and we went big boom

[strong forum]

Healer also has to heal

[sick sentinel]

healer claimed to have ass gear as the group was disbanding

but, i feel like 90% of situations its something where i just played bad

[warm plinth]

Usually the issue is the healer isn't making an effort/the rest of the group is letting the healer get enough orbs. Though on your key level I doubt it would matter anyway. Healer just needs to be prepared for it.

isn't letting*

[strong forum]

I dotn even know if the storm can kill you

If you don't heal a single point

On a +12

Like if it even does 300k dmg over the period of it being cast

[sick sentinel]

you guys should really try 10-15 key range

it truely is an experience

[strong forum]

I did like 2-3 keys

In that range

I had to solo almost every single boss

Not a pleasant experience

[reef holly]

I am forever done with that key range

[sick sentinel]

do it in a pug

by your self,

you will lose your sanity and question reality

[reef holly]

I did a 15 TJS yesterday and the healer died no less than 5 times in the first two pulls

[strong forum]

I did smbg +20 with a 360 disc priest today

That was an experience

[reef holly]

Timed it??

[strong forum]

You can check it out on my YouTube

Also had a 385 arcane mage

Very funny key

[reef holly]

Epic

I’ve encountered a few resto druids who heal like they are holy priests. Not sure what their endgame is there

[sick sentinel]

did they buff hell out of disc

i heard it sucked 1 month ago

and seen a few more disc priests, lots of good ones recent

meh, good enough i did 5 keys today, 2 before reset, 3 after

[proud dock]

is TaN typically better than Bborne?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[proud dock]

so if not using SBlock, TaN best runner up?

[strong forum]

if you mean spellblock, yes

[warm plinth]

yeah

[proud dock]

ty

[strong forum]

we dont have an abbreviation for spellblock

its just spellblock

[warm plinth]

You just gotta stop being lazy and type that shit

[cedar trench]

its not lazy its time efficient

[strong forum]

so efficient that nobody knows what you mean cuz SB is Shield Block, SBlock is still Shield Block

SpB is spirit bomb

[warm plinth]

People so lazy they wanted to call Brutal Vitality BV even though a BV already existed.

[strong forum]

so that doesnt work

[onyx cedar]

Hi, is there a point in content where you get avoidance enchants over leech enchants for us?

[strong forum]

no

[cedar trench]

we love leech

leech yummy

[strong forum]

tanks that arent vdh and bdk prefer leech enchants

[onyx cedar]

thanks

[strong forum]

for vdh im not even certain if they not also run leech

[arctic marten]

Could someone please help clarify, with Show of Force active, and without Avatar, at how many targets does Thunder Clap do more damage than Shield Slam?

[strong forum]

you dont wanna prio TC over SS outside avatar

your goal is to generate as much rage as possible to get your CDs back quicker and get more outbursts

[lone eagle]

Tanked a 20 SMBG on my 350 brew with my disc priest buddy

yesterday lol

was also an experience

270k hp, never be in range of anything

always kite

[strong forum]

TC can reset SS, SS cant reset TC

always prio SS

[sick sentinel]

avoidance has a small range of targets it can hit, nothing that targets you directly, and onky some cleaves most swirlies

[lone eagle]

was my buddies first timed 20

and he was malding af

[sick sentinel]

leech is just better

[strong forum]

i made this

[arctic marten]

If I don't care about rage or defensive value, because these are low keys with minimal damage intake, is there any target count where my question could be applicable?

[strong forum]

if you dont care about rage youll do less damage

[sick sentinel]

blues?

[strong forum]

but if you absolutely wanna press TC over SS

its 5+ during avatar
7+ outside

[sick sentinel]

i have to get 4 pc reminder wa cuz 4/5 now did 392 helmet

[arctic marten]

These were the same numbers provided from previously, but I wanted to confirm, do these numbers remain the same even with Show of Force's +20% Thunder Clap damage included?

[tulip egret]

Friends, I am back. Do I take 421 belt in place of 411 matriarchs or one of these rings, in place of Thunderous downburt 12/13 or Jeweled Signet 13/13

one is haste crit, but one is crit verse which I think pleases everyone you know

[mighty valley]

i'd take belt, str slot

haste crit ring is close too

[arctic marten]

I'm still confused about Thunder Clap target count. Using actual ingame numbers:

A Thunder Clap with Show of Force does 8,265 damage.```
My understanding would be that Thunder Clap does more damage than Shield Slam at 3 or more targets. Am I misunderstanding something with this calculation?

[turbid shuttle]

anyone ever seen last boss of RLP just randomly despawn?

[dusk sky]

is there a good way to handle the skeletons in sbg other than kite them?

[warm plinth]

In terms of raw numbers, yes. But you aren't taking into consideration the rage gain from Shield Slam which is 4x what TC gives you.

[vestal torrent]

I assume you're rolling your cd's one at a time like spell reflect, wall, last stand, demo shout, and trying to stun them as they cast it yeah @dusk sky?

you always really dont wanna stun them all at the same time because they will use it all at once and 1 shot you

[warm plinth]

And you also get buffed Shield Slams via Brace for Impact.

[dusk sky]

i think this is the mistake im making

like they are all together and they all swing together

[vestal torrent]

you want to stagger their slashes

[dusk sky]

got it

[turbid shuttle]

you can walk out of the skeleton's slash

[dusk sky]

i definitely can roll my cds better but i think that will be the bigger one

[vestal torrent]

Yeah no shame in kiting them as they get low

when you run out of stuff to use

[warm plinth]

Their void slash only has an 8 yard range, just strafe away from them

[dusk sky]

is it only a frontal?

[reef holly]

Was this a friends alt, or did you do this for the laughs?

[warm plinth]

It's a tank hit, not a frontal

[vestal torrent]

it's targeted with a range

[dusk sky]

got it

[warm plinth]

It won't hit anyone if you outrange it

[mighty valley]

similar to arcing slash in NO

[proud dock]

idk if this was already known, but it seems like being in combat with shades doesnt negate HoV beers

[fallen pulsar]

why are the raid set shoes not available from a raid boss drop? Really want em

😦

boots of the walking mountain

[tulip kelp]

Gotta vault and CC lol

[strong forum]

Friends alt

[fallen pulsar]

@strong forum can you do itf without bolster safely in dungeons at 35% haste (before itf)? and still keep shieldblock uptime?

[nimble laurel]

Anyone using Bonemaw's Big Toe?

[warm plinth]

Whyw ould you want to use someone's big toe

[tulip kelp]

Don’t kink shame

[warm plinth]

wait a fucking second

how does a worm have a big toe

[mighty valley]

just one huge toe

[cursive prawn]

Could be vestigial

Could be the remnant of prey that just belongs to him now

[small warren]

Can I spellreflect Serpent Strike and Jade serpent strike in Temple 3rd boss?

I have reflect up every other cast but it doesnt reflect in dmg?

[tulip kelp]

You can deflect the serpent strike but jade you only get the DR from SR

[small warren]

ok

[small warren]

weird that I dont see the reflect dmg on the meters

[tulip kelp]

Cause it’s a deflect

[small warren]

yeah so it shows up as spell reflect no?

[warm plinth]

Deflect = prevents the damage to you but does not damage the enemy @small warren

Reflect = prevents the damage to you and deals damage to the enemy

Spell Reflection does both depending on the spell. Usually it deflects stronger spells that Blizzard still wanted it to work on but don't want you to be able to afflict the enemy with.

[covert aurora]

how good is seal of filial duty? the fire shield ring? 418 that or 415 tier gloves? I'd need to make the frostfire belt to proc the ring.

[small warren]

Yeah i was asking about reflection. Does spell reflect have 2 effects?

I thought I could reflect the serpent strike and it would DMG as a result but not sure if I'm wrong

[warm plinth]

It has magic damage mitigation (20%) and the reflect portion. Deflecting is just what Blizzard makes the spell do when they don't want it to reflect but still want it to prevent the hit.

It's a very common mechanic.

[small warren]

So it only deflects both strikes then

Which is just a dr

[warm plinth]

It only deflects the first strike (the non-jade version)

No

Deflect is a 100% mitigation; it just doesn't actually hit the enemy with it.

Think of it as like a parry or dodge

You don't hit the enemy with it, but it doesn't hit you either

The jade version only gets mitigated by 20% with the normal magic reduction part of SR

[tame jasper]

Think about deflect as: The spell normally applies a debuff, but when you deflect it, you don't get the debuff

If you could reflect it, the mob who casted the debuff would get it

[small warren]

I get the way it works i just didn't know how it worked on those 2 spells

[tame jasper]

So as written by @warm plinth SR has multiple "effects": a) Damage reduction in general b) Chance do avoid u getting a debuff c) Chance of applying the debuff / damage to the original caster

[distant crystal]

and also compelling every dps to press kick asap

[small warren]

Oh yeah don't we all know that

It's like a macro for them

[tame jasper]

I often think myself why is there a straight behaivor, but that only blizz can answer

[warm plinth]

You can look at Sense's spreadsheet to see most deflects. He'll usually either note either "deflect" or say something like "doesn't seem to do damage" which denotes a deflect as well

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

[tame jasper]

For you as a tank, read the spell reflectable list by Sense (in the pins)

[small warren]

Okay thanks guys very helpful

[woven steppe]

Feeling like a big push week, what do you guys think?

[tame jasper]

yes as we only have 0,5 affix (only melees might hate spiteful depending on pulls/instance) 🙂

[proud dock]

is bitter immunity worth for RLP 2nd boss?

[small warren]

I don't know... Temple first boss with 3 melee is hell when quaking hits and their 1 brain cell dies

[woven steppe]

Yea but a little kiting with them and the entire group and mobs move back and dps continues to flow, im feeling very positive about this week

[warm plinth]

Bitter Immunity doesn't remove bleeds, which is what that mechanic is.

[proud dock]

still not worth just to recover?

[warm plinth]

No

You have impending victory for most of them already

[tame jasper]

Did I miss some update that the 2nd boss in ruby now bleeds?

[proud dock]

other than using CDs is the bleed a healer issue?

[warm plinth]

The 2nd boss in Ruby has always been a bleed

[woven steppe]

Always did

[warm plinth]

It's just misleading because it's called "searing" blows/wounds

[tame jasper]

that strike combo counts as bleed? 🤣

[woven steppe]

It leaves a bleed

But u can parry it and not get the stack

[warm plinth]

The initial hit is blockable

[tame jasper]

Never noticed that I get a bleed there

[warm plinth]

That's the dangerous part of the mechanic 👀

[tame jasper]

uploading logs from yesterdays 21 and 20 to check

[woven steppe]

That bleed is 90% of the fight for tanks

[tame jasper]

hm got 3 hits of the Searing Blows

ah

I got it

Searing Wounds is the bleed?

at least it ticks

[warm plinth]

Yes

Searing Blows are the hits that apply the bleed

[mellow patio]

[void marten]

is eu back up yet

[fallen pulsar]

That new ring in the ptr feels like it’s going to be a legendary

3 slots for new special gems and each special gem has a big effect

[void marten]

they wont do the ring legendary

too many people have wod ptsd

[fallen pulsar]

Still, seems like a very potentially powerful ring

[void marten]

probably

[fallen pulsar]

Wrathion probably going to make us do another looooong quest chain

Something something become leader of the black dragon flight

Oh nevermind, I’m unable to read. Just seems like new pieces of gear in 10.0.7 will have primordial slots

That ring being one of em

Thought it was just that ring

[tulip kelp]

Kinda cringe if it’s sanctum gems again

Hated that shit

[fallen pulsar]

Needed to look it up since I skipped shadowlands, but based on the initial descriptions the effects look similar to the sanctum gems. Nothing yet on if there are set bonuses

[tulip kelp]

Did anyone like that shit? Seemed super unpopular

[warm plinth]

No, no one liked that shit.

[tulip kelp]

Weird they’d be bringing something like that back

[rough egret]

looks like they gonna be precise with server outage this time for EU

[fallen pulsar]

Echoing Thunder Stone: Moving builds an electrical charge, causing your next damaging ability to deal Nature damage.

Finally a gem to reward my wasd spam while playing

[mighty valley]

the problems with domination shards were around the acquisition and power level. and also that they had basically no satisfaction to them

i dunno what these new ones are like but it's not like unique socketable things are inherently bad

[fallen pulsar]

A lot of them seem like stat sticks/do x damage or heal x amount

Theres a few like the one I just posted that are funny tho

[steel juniper]

Does anyone have any tips on increasing consistency on the P1 transition on Mythic Kurog? The crossover at 97 energy bit

[void marten]

idk i really liked blood gems

[lone eagle]

gotta love dc'ing while charging on kurog

[lone eagle]

crossover at 96

put boss close ish to edge

other tank just walk away for a split second and taunt at 96 energy

boss will walk across at the perfect timing every time

[void marten]

eu maintenance got extended 1 hour

fyi

[rough egret]

i guess i will get disapointed later 😄

I crafter my 1st 418 yesterday, a shield, so im gonna open lottery as fury

[jovial nest]

Anyone around for some Hyrja tyrannical advice?

HoV

[woven steppe]

Spell block is huge

There

[jovial nest]

My group was wiping to the lightning ability

why can't i sit the boss and get light stacks all game

[silver ice]

cant do anything but rally for that

[mighty valley]

just a healer check

[jovial nest]

Yes Sanctify will one shot you, but if you dodge Sanctify, won't the group be okay?

[mighty valley]

they use their CDs for one storm, rally + personals another

[jovial nest]

ya we got 3 storms

but why not sit the boss and get sanctify all fight, and not get a single storm

[mighty valley]

start on sanctify

[silver ice]

she does targeted abilities that scales aswell

[jovial nest]

Oh I see, so Expel Light will start to one shot people

[mighty valley]

yeah she'll just start one shotting

[ionic fern]

You mean Eye of Storm?

Or the RNG one?

[jovial nest]

Eye of the Storm I think

Ya that's what it is called

[ionic fern]

Jeah, that's just a healer topic.
They need to plan CD's and the rest of the group should use their personals as needed.

And healthpots etc.

[jovial nest]

Ya, probably just a healer problem

but I was wondering if there was a way to minimize the number of Eye of the Storm casts

I think you can handle 20 stacks of light before you need to switch

[ionic fern]

Well, theoretically you can start on the other side.

Sanctify side.

[mighty valley]

you can minimize by starting on sanctify, and also just... doing more damage

[jovial nest]

I was thinking do sanctify, then do it again, then switch

[ionic fern]

No.

Don't.

[void marten]

you can also deploy tactical combat res

[ionic fern]

DPS'ers will get 1 shot by the RNG attack she does.

[void marten]

take full shaman party

[ionic fern]

Can't remember the name.

[jovial nest]

Expel Light was doing 130K at 20 stacks

[void marten]

or 3 warlocks

[ionic fern]

I mean..unless you're talking about sub 20 keys..then do w/e.

[jovial nest]

ya its sub 20

[ionic fern]

Je

Then do w/e.

[jovial nest]

18

ya its a bit close honestly

[mighty valley]

if it's an 18 you should be able to kill her without a 3rd storm tbh

[jovial nest]

Ya, we were getting to the 4th, so a bit of a dps problem too

[mighty valley]

4th storm???

[foggy zodiac]

Did they stealth nerf intervene on Scent of Blood in HoV?

[ionic fern]

?

[jovial nest]

yup

[warm plinth]

🤔

[jovial nest]

but we were wiping usually on the second storm

[warm plinth]

I doubt it

[mighty valley]

dps press buttons challenge

[warm plinth]

They have to stay within 10 yards of you or the Intervene buff goes away

[jovial nest]

quaking isn't nice during storm too btw

[void marten]

if i get a mythic eranog ring or 421 court of stars trinket from the vault, i'll play itf+bolster+barbaric training for the rest of the week

[ionic fern]

What are the affixes even?

[void marten]

gods hear my prayers

[warm plinth]

Quaking/Spiteful

[foggy zodiac]

yeah just had a hunter that took damage during intervene, was concerned

[jovial nest]

Spiteful, Quake

[ionic fern]

Oo.

Chill.

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily. I got 4pc on rogue today

[fallen pulsar]

Is the cutoff to run itf in dungeons 35% haste

[jovial nest]

Is there a way to get Eye of the Storm to cast with less than 3 stacks on Hyrja?

[ionic fern]

[foggy zodiac]

Watch Quazzi's vid on Hyrja

[warm plinth]

So I've been told, but that's 35% BEFORE ItF

[foggy zodiac]

you can offset the abilites

[jovial nest]

Thanks @foggy zodiac I'll take a look!

[foggy zodiac]

sanctify on lightning and lightning dome on Holy side

[fallen pulsar]

I’m at 34%

[untold pond]

does that still work?

[fallen pulsar]

Need 1 more

[foggy zodiac]

did it today

[warm plinth]

Yes

You need to practice it though. The timing is pretty specific

[void marten]

is itf haste affected by the dr?

[fallen pulsar]

No

[warm plinth]

No sources of haste that are purely % gains are affected by DR (or any other stat % gains)

Only rating is affected by diminishing returns

[void marten]

i see

[fallen pulsar]

Do you run bolster with it in dungeons

Or is it enough haste to have 100% uptime without it

[jovial nest]

@foggy zodiac ya you just move her over at 4 seconds, awesome ill give it a try thanks dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJclDKbpG6s if anyone wants to check it out

[void marten]

that sounds like hold my hotfix

but i'm always amazed at how people discover shit like this

must be through some people fucking up

[warm plinth]

You should have enough haste to have it 100% without Bolster. With ItF you'd have 48.5% haste which is an 8.24 second CD on Shield Block (if I'm calculating that properly) and Shield Block lasts 8 seconds with Enduring Defenses so you'd have virtually 100% uptime before Champion's Bulwark

[fallen pulsar]

Gotcha

Thats sick

Need to find 1% more hastee

[tulip kelp]

So 35% without rune?

[fallen pulsar]

With rune is fine

Just before itf

[tulip kelp]

Ahh

Kinda hard to get that without haste on trinket imo

I don’t know what else I can change on my gear and I think I’m at 32%

[fallen pulsar]

With rune?

[tulip kelp]

Hmm not sure

[fallen pulsar]

Rune is like 2%

[tulip kelp]

Yeah I gotta check tomorrow

[proud dock]

frog skip for AV best route for this week still right?

[tulip kelp]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/Yezza

[ionic fern]

It's been there since the initial launch of the dungeon in Legion.

[fallen pulsar]

I need to shed some mastery. I have 20%

[tulip kelp]

But that’s my gear, I have 418 haste crit wep and shield.. like where else could I pick up haste

[ionic fern]

No you don't.

[fallen pulsar]

For 1% haste to run itf in dungeon I think its worth

[ionic fern]

[gloomy iris]

you all choose frog skip route？

[peak arch]

any opinion please, craft 418 weapon or shield first?

[proud dock]

i would think so, cuz adds are weak this week

[fallen pulsar]

Is droppin to 19% mastery going to kill me that hard lol

[proud dock]

i dont think theres any other route better

[gloomy iris]

AV is still difficult after nerf😫

[void marten]

what they nerfed in alterac valley

[proud dock]

[fallen pulsar]

Horde does 50% less damage

[rough egret]

Shield

[peak arch]

ty

[foggy zodiac]

NP GL

[void marten]

well fuck me maintenance extended by one more hour in EU

was it long in na as well?

[tulip kelp]

No

Finished early

[void marten]

i think they're localizing the trading post function as "bazaar" to be more culturally appropriate with EU, that's why it's taking so long

[rough egret]

Market place 😄

[sick sentinel]

people used to do this back in legion

wait is trading post live today in NA

[digital frigate]

depression

[warm plinth]

Just correcting this. With 48.5% haste you'd have a 10.77 second CD on Shield Block. I think their intention is that that level of haste gets you "close enough" to 100% uptime that you can have 100% effective uptime (when you account for regenerating charges between packs and Champion's Bulwark).

I did indeed calculate it wrong

[plush prism]

dumb q, wtf do I do during Germinate on a 15

[hidden steeple]

can anyone recommend a good wa suite for prot warrior

[blazing condor]

you stack on eachother as a group and move together (usually clockwise)

to try and stack the minions up

then you burst them down and try not to overlap germinate with the healing ad

cleanse/dispels are good for the dot

[plush prism]

what do you do for burst forth? it seems you can't avoid a huge wave of them

[blazing condor]

you just gotta kill them

use defensives if needed / cc

you can micro kite if needed but it shouldnt be

[warm plinth]

Burst Forth hits everyone; you can't avoid it. It's a groupwide aoe.

[solid dove]

Its pushing week right ?

[warm plinth]

It's not a terrible week

[solid dove]

Did spiteful can be aoe ?

[digital frigate]

huh can spiteful be an aoe?

[warm plinth]

Yes but there's no reason to put effort into killing them; they kill themselves.

If at all possible you should just go on to the next pack and ignore them

[woeful trellis]

Potion of Shoking Disclosure is a good tool there aswell

Eu still down, were back on "never play on patch day" or what 😄

[fresh loom]

Well - maintenance is planned to be 15 mins more so maybe patience will help 😉

[woeful trellis]

[tame jasper]

well after they extended it from 4 to 7 to 8 to 9 😄

But I don't care, have to work anyway ^^

see u in the afternoon/evening 😄

[rough egret]

Blizz giving you time to hit the gym! Warrior training

[flint grove]

Anyone got a bingo card for questions today?

[rough egret]

[sick sentinel]

any tip in sbg how to successfully avoid void slash from the bones? sometimes its easy backsteppable and sometimes i get hit no matter i do and they hit like a truck on fort weeks

[warm plinth]

Strafing is safer

Backpedaling isn't quite fast enough generally

[cloud umbra]

wait there is a fat range on those right??

[warm plinth]

No

It's 8 yards, same as most things we can avoid by backpedaling/strafing

Generally the difference in whether you have to backpedal or strafe is whether the mob stops to cast or not

If they stop, you can backpedal, if they don't, you have to strafe

[sick sentinel]

thanks, will try that. shame that i cant just try it on normal as sbg is a level 40 dungeon :X

[edgy spear]

Safest is to just use spell block

but costs you dmg in the rest of the dungeon

[urban portal]

It’s only a couple %

[sick sentinel]

I am new to tanking never understood how the spellblock thing works

Is there any sort of overview / spreadsheet of backsteppable abilities?

[warm plinth]

No, but there's not like a massive number of them either

[cloud umbra]

im confused on the range of that.. i think ive lept away and been hit by that void slash before

[ionic fern]

It feels WAYYYYYYYYYYYY longer. .or maybe it registers as a "hit" if you're in range when they start the cast, even if you outrange it later, idk..

[sick sentinel]

thats why am I saying its completely random for me at least 😄

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's definitely less consistent in my experience than some of the others

Mortal Hew theoretically should be comparable but it's very easy to avoid

[edgy spear]

I've stopped trying to make sense of it and just run spell block and accept the few % dmg i lose from not having tough as nails

makes the packs a snooze

[cloud umbra]

i think its 8 yards for them to cast it on you

and large range when its being cast

aka perma kite they'll never cast

[void marten]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

aaaaaaaaaaah

[ionic fern]

Just go to bed.

o.o

[drifting needle]

Can get multiple uses of spell block in the dungeon too outside of skeletons so not like a dead choice after that.

[lone eagle]

Does Tough as Nails have a ICD?

[limpid anchor]

Where? Except the bats

And prob first boss

[drifting needle]

1st/2nd/3rd bosses

[cloud umbra]

deathspikes on the first boss