protection

[civic junco]

does catalyst remove tertiary or sockets?

[woeful reef]

thanks, im exclusively m+ no raid

[limber flame]

ye, 4 piece good for m+

[fallen pulsar]

No

[limber flame]

get whetstone, all totem of the master and you are set

[fallen pulsar]

Tru

[toxic gyro]

No broken trinkets this tier, so it just comes down to ilvl and using best trinkets you have.

[pliant prism]

Hey guys! Is it worth it vs 402 Flame Decoration?

[limber flame]

will have to raid for all totem tho

[fallen pulsar]

Would argue whetstone and grief are pretty broken 😛

[hardy snow]

yes si

[plush tendon]

Kurog goes down tonight

[amber siren]

can't quantify survivability, just using your abilities in a smart way will do more than a gear list can provide

[plush tendon]

and then we have to reclear till I get it

[amber siren]

so simming for DPS is the best way

[plush tendon]

yes

[limber flame]

nerfs to m kurog might make that mythic totem more likely now 🙂

[plush tendon]

hell yea brother

we were close

im all about raid nerfs

[limber flame]

prayge 4 mythic all totem

[plush tendon]

me want to kill boss to get loots for keyz

[fallen pulsar]

Silly, all totem is dropped by council 😄

[toxic gyro]

They’re very strong for sure, wouldn’t call whetstone broken. Grief torch is borderline broken if you have ppl dying in raid.

[plush tendon]

No thats Icon

[fallen pulsar]

Oh I’m silly

Put me down

[plush tendon]

silly gooose

[limber flame]

no haste on strike twice is making my sadge

[clever heart]

Guys do the two fire rings from raid @ heroic item lvl beat out 411 m+ crit/haste rings ?

[limber flame]

yes if you have belt to proc

[fallen pulsar]

In m+ it feels broken, it does yuge damage

[clever heart]

even with just belt ? is belt enough to proc it off cd ? idk the rings cd

[fallen pulsar]

But storm eaters does more at more risk to your survivability

[plush tendon]

yea

frostfire is more then plenty for the raid rings

[limber flame]

storm eater's boon big damage tho so ill take the chance

[clever heart]

ok ty Augustocaesar + Roran ! (nice name Roran btw)

[plush tendon]

the best dam combo is fireball ring and Auto Attack ring

[limber flame]

🙂 ty ty

[plush tendon]

the shield ring off Brood is kind of meh

[torpid junco]

vault choice:
-get 4 piece today (tier chest in vault but already have non tier 421)
-remain at 2 piece but upgrade ilvl on gloves from 395 to 421

[plush tendon]

and besides, the boomies and unholy dks are all clamoring for it since its literally the only ring with heavy mastery and haste

[clever heart]

Wait for real ? you would use auto attack ring instead of broodkeeper ring ?? Even in m+ fortified ?

[plush tendon]

hell yea

[torpid junco]

i wouldnt lose any ilvl on chest

[plush tendon]

unless you got a mythic brood

maybe

[clever heart]

why ? does the shield justnot procenough ?

id of thought it was broken. like cobalt was early on

[amber siren]

isn't the ring like 1 IP worth of absorb?

[plush tendon]

its a pretty good shield

but damage

[limber flame]

ye warrior dont need the shield to survive, would rather go full damage

best thing to avoid damage is to kill stuff

[plush tendon]

I have all 3

I have yet to feel the need to use brood ring

over my AA and fireball ring

but I have it

[amber sand]

Hey guys so I switch between my main Fury and Prot. Is having low vers bad for Prot? I dont feel too squishy in keys but Im worried about getting one shot

[gloomy turret]

whats the word on whelp shell for tank?

[plush tendon]

naw

just focus on gearing for fury

and whatever you have for Prot should work

we like haste, so you can keep that in mind

[fallen pulsar]

My vers is like 8% lol

[plush tendon]

I think its bad and the sims are a bait

[limber flame]

whelp shell bait

[fallen pulsar]

28% crit and haste

[limber flame]

darkmoon dance card bait

[plush tendon]

ideal

[limber flame]

6% verse

[plush tendon]

I have a decent amount of vers

the fireball ring is heavy vers

which kind of suks

but, it does big dam

so wurf

[limber flame]

i lied, 4% verse, had icon on

26% crit/28% haste

[arctic marten]

For an Impending Victory reset in dungeons, does it only apply if I deal the last hit?

[ripe dock]

ye if you do the killing blow

[strong forum]

yes

[inland raft]

does raidfinder give catalyst progress?

[plush tendon]

probably

but LFR is stinky

https://tenor.com/view/scum-wretched-villany-tattooine-gif-10985312

[clever heart]

ok ty for helping me undesrstand the rings better Roran & Augustocaesar.
last question i think, for prots that are pushing the highest possible keys, like people trying to do +28s or watever.
Do you think at that lvl / amount of damage, the broodkeeper ring would become higher priority than auto attack ring ? or even then is the damage still better than the shield ?

[round pendant]

Anyone got any good talent suggestions for HC Diurna?

[nova cloak]

It's Account wide if you have multiple 70s each world boss kill gives 20%

[inland raft]

sadly nly 2 chars so already did that

[plush tendon]

its hard to say, because the brood ring at Mythic I level (which they probably will get since they are top players) is the highest I levle ring in the game

with a lot of stat outright

[fallen pulsar]

Are you trying to do more damage or are you getting clapped

[clever heart]

for sake of my understanding lets assume its heroic ring vs 415 auto attack ring

[plush tendon]

id go for Auto Attack Ring

[torpid junco]

vault choice:
-get 4 piece today (tier chest in vault but already have non tier 421) same ilvl
-remain at 2 piece but upgrade ilvl on gloves from 395 to 421

[plush tendon]

more haste, Crit>mastery

[clever heart]

ok sounds good !:) tyty

[plush tendon]

and more damage

[fallen pulsar]

Gloves imo

[round pendant]

Boss tank, shit just hurts

[fallen pulsar]

Use spell reflect each tank buster, should be fine

[round pendant]

oh that works?

lol

[fallen pulsar]

Doesnt reflect

[round pendant]

good to know

[fallen pulsar]

20% dr

[round pendant]

yeah

[fallen pulsar]

Yeee

Made it go from deadly to trivial for me

[round pendant]

Double shield wall?

or nah

[fallen pulsar]

Nah

[round pendant]

if battlescarred vet wasn't bugged I'd take that

[fallen pulsar]

I’d honestly just try spell reflecting each cast and seeing how it goes

[round pendant]

yeah will do

[fallen pulsar]

It honestly is much easier to tank if you do

[covert aurora]

418 seal of duty ring, or 415 tier gloves? I do not have any of the fire trinkets.

[fallen pulsar]

Seal of duty? Is that the eranog ring? Thought it was called something else

[atomic ruin]

408 Boon (replace 395 blazebinder's hoof) or 415 tier shoulders (replace 398 tier)?

[viral oracle]

Heya, does avatar and booming voice buff whetstone/trinket dmg in general?

[fallen pulsar]

No

[viral oracle]

sadge 😦

[fallen pulsar]

Much sadge

Just send it on cd

Only trinkets worth lining up are ones that boost your stats

[uneven mason]

Not since bfa

[waxen patrol]

guy i need some help, higher ilvl to convert into set piece or get this set chest to convert other 2 pieces into set and use 4 set with my gloves? dunno if this is confused but trying my best to explain XD

[sick sentinel]

Is totem of the all master any good?

[viral oracle]

Ty for the info

[uneven mason]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

It sims horribly on bloodmallet and in sims

[plush tendon]

great for M+, not as good for raid

but its probably the best passive trinket for M+

[fallen pulsar]

Upgrade your chest imo, get the 418. As long as you have 2 set it’s not as important to have 4 set

@waxen patrol

Chest is a big stat boost ilvl wise and has a lot of stats

[waxen patrol]

great, and use this to convert into set piece?

[fallen pulsar]

I would

[waxen patrol]

nice, thanks for the call

[nimble laurel]

snap... do I drop lariat for another embellishment

[warm plinth]

Not likely. If your lariat is 418 then it's better than that in total stats.

[fallen pulsar]

Idk, I feel like 3 ilvl higher than 418 lariat isn’t better

Ye

Ghash stop being so fast

[nimble laurel]

mostly for the haste

[warm plinth]

Sorry 😢

[nimble laurel]

I have too much vers and not enough haste

[warm plinth]

There's no such thing as too much or too little stats

[fallen pulsar]

inb4 has like 12% haste

[warm plinth]

[nimble laurel]

lol... It's 25%. Nothing terrible, but still room to grow.

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure that's more haste than I have

[nimble laurel]

sim apparently isn't smart enough to figure out that it can add 3 sockets to a neck

[warm plinth]

Did you do the add sockets thing?

[fallen pulsar]

Should be an option in raidbots to add sockets

[acoustic edge]

is there any value at all to using icon in m+? deciding between that and rumbling ruby. sims the same

[dry spear]

would you open your vault as prot even if you got a 421 1H and a 415 shield or go arms for trinkets?

[nimble laurel]

it just added 1

[fallen pulsar]

I am excited for whichever tier adds enough ilvl/stats and we probably are able to comfortably reach like 40% haste easily. Permanently itf because shield block comes back fast enough

[limber flame]

if a healer got icon the haste proc pretty good

[warm plinth]

No 421 weapon/shield = prot for me

[limber flame]

id really only use it if everyone can get the proc

[plush tendon]

Icon is good if people in your group also have it

Im trying to get one

[nimble laurel]

oh you can add sockets on the item itself

[fallow beacon]

feels good man

[plush tendon]

since we have like 3-5 people with it

[limber flame]

oo with socket too?

thats huge

[dry spear]

damn. gz

[fallen pulsar]

And tertiary

[dry spear]

and avoid

[warm plinth]

Keep in mind that Icon will still not sim great for you even with all the bonuses because it's more of a group increase than it is a personal increase.

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-di-caprio-oh-yeah-baby-gif-12506965

[limber flame]

if that was leech instead of avoidance id cream

[fallow beacon]

i creamed regardless

[limber flame]

ye still creamy regardless

[fallen pulsar]

Meanwhile I haven’t gotten any of the rare stuff from raid 😦 no rings or trinkets

Barely see em drop for us

[limber flame]

got 405 brood ring with socket just for ilevel over cobalt ring

dont even have spark for frostfire belt KEK

[plush tendon]

Im glad I just made frostfire in the beggining

[fallen pulsar]

All I want for tonight’s raid is for kurog to give me a nice little trinket shaped like a totem

[plush tendon]

its a super solid piece

[limber flame]

i made hearth first spark and trolled my character day 1

[plush tendon]

even without the rings

oooof

[limber flame]

i cry

[plush tendon]

yea, I was big smart with my sparks

Lariat, Frostfire, Wep, Shield, Engi bracers

big makes

[tropic tangle]

same, got a 408 diurna with socket from vault this week

[plush tendon]

Diurna spits super hot fire

[toxic pewter]

I made engineering goggles and ended up getting tier helm first lmao

[limber flame]

oooof

[warm plinth]

That is what we call unfortunate

[toxic pewter]

yeah dunno why I did it but looking back doesnt really matter in big picture

[nimble laurel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8ZXS8Q3cghcaf4KryZKdS 421 Chain of Scorched Bones is a 1.1% DPS loss over Lariat. Probably a wash when getting a different embellishment.

[toxic pewter]

but yeah def dumb

[limber flame]

i got a free embellishment slot now with strike twice, would the potion increase embellishment be good on prot?

[fallen pulsar]

Would probably take lariat, wrists or belt

Over potion

[limber flame]

ye dont have a spark to make anything, just to recraft one of my pieces with an embellishment

[plush tendon]

the pvp wrist are pretty good

I would just wait for next spark

[fallen pulsar]

Farm a spark :))))

[limber flame]

already had one drop last tuesdayt

[plush tendon]

no need to spend the effort to put a embellishment on a piece you know youll replace

[fallen pulsar]

You could get another, just low drop chance

[limber flame]

true, probably do bracers, have crafted belt with food buff, crafted boots

will make frostfire if i get eranog ring

but only at 421

aint going any lower than that

[fallen pulsar]

Frostfire is nice though because you dont need to have people around you for the effect to be as good

Bracers in solo content are sadge

[hushed cobalt]

for both m+ and raid, 411 grieftorch v 408 diurna ring (with belt)? probably ring, unless you can block during torch channel (for m+)

[limber flame]

i aint doing lot of solo content luckily

just do my 8 20s for the week and heroic and mythic raid and im off

you cant block during channel

ring probably edges out for both content

and less thinking

[hushed cobalt]

👍 i'm probably crazy but i tried using puzzle box while tanking a bunch of little things and saw "block" during the channel

[naive panther]

strike twice is like half an embellishment or a third of one

[warm plinth]

Not sure how Strike Twice "frees up an embellishment" personally

[limber flame]

had an fang adornments

[warm plinth]

You can put fangs on strike twice though no?

[limber flame]

no

its not a crafted item

[warm plinth]

Oh, duh

[plush tendon]

No; Strike Twice is not crafted

imagine if you could though

[warm plinth]

Sorry, morning brain lul

[plush tendon]

Quadra Strike

[warm plinth]

My bad

[limber flame]

strike twice effect is like fang adornments for free

[grave wedge]

Totem of all master 408 or 402 rumbling ruby thinking totem by a mile right

[limber flame]

doing like 2% my damage

totem

[plush tendon]

totem

[limber flame]

ruby good on arms tho

[plush tendon]

Ruby I feel like is easier to get

[limber flame]

but very true

[grave wedge]

ty i will save it then i was gonna vendor m,ine

[plush tendon]

and Terros Mythic (if you get there) is easier to repeat kill then Kurog

[grave wedge]

i have ruby byt totem would replace i just pug myself so mythics far away for me

[plush tendon]

we've had like half a dozen Rubys drop

they are getting given to our priests now

[limber flame]

based on server you can pug first two mythics boss ez

if you are on high pop like a52, tich, illidan if you are US

[plush tendon]

now dont leave us Mal G bois out of it

we special to!

though cant wait for cross server mythic

those first two easily puggable

[dire sparrow]

Is Brood keeper ring good for us?

[grave flower]

wait, do dungeons not count toward catalyst quest?

[warm plinth]

They do

Did you pick up the quest?

[grave flower]

only m+ or what

[plush tendon]

the effect is nice, stats are not great. it generally drops at a high I level

[red forum]

I would like a some advise for Azure Vault +17. I have issues with pulling Crystal Furies on first platform. If I dare double pull, i.e. 3 crystal furies, as soon as my big defensives are off my healer struggles to heal me. As soon as they stack 2 arcane furies it's game over for me. Kiting seems a bit hard due to piercing shards. Any tactic that I am unaware of?

[plush tendon]

I would sim it

[grave flower]

I did, then did a normal to just try and crush it...nothing

[plush tendon]

but if you have a mythic one per chance, its probably worth

[warm plinth]

It might just by Mythic or higher

be*

[valid pecan]

should i craft a shield or 1hander?

[warm plinth]

Shield>weapon>other

[valid pecan]

aightttt

[tropic tangle]

have someone that can purge the buff. use stuns to interrupt their frontal casts.

[warm plinth]

You're supposed to stop the shards, not take them to the face

[sick sentinel]

i opened as fury for whetstone, got this

[red forum]

So I need to coordinate for other party members to stun whatever I can't i see

[warm plinth]

Yep

[sick sentinel]

cloak equip is black dragon flight haste versa

[warm plinth]

You can stop all of them yourself with shockwave/fear (if they're synced)

[sick sentinel]

already, have the chest, not at 408 mind u

[warm plinth]

But that's only 2

[tropic tangle]

the furies are another spot where making sure you put them in combat simultaneously so casts are aligned goes a long way

similar to the last pull of TJS

if they're staggered you'll run out of stops a lot quicker

[plush tendon]

You can eat one once in a while

you just cant take multiple back to back to back

[sick sentinel]

what does EOD go up to

[plush tendon]

but otherwise, you want to stop em

[sick sentinel]

for ilvl drop

[prisma crane]

405

[plush tendon]

and that requires coordination

[red forum]

I see, thankfully got my own team, will try it again tonight. thanks all

[sick sentinel]

should i go for cape, or for polearm for os

[prisma crane]

how often do you OS?

[sick sentinel]

for raiding and extermely rare pvp

[prisma crane]

pvp you're better off with the honor one anyways

[sick sentinel]

so cloak?

lose a small amount of versa, but oh well

[small dove]

having issues with threat after tank swap, losing it back to a druid tank after swap. any tips, thoughts, pointers?

[plush tendon]

bring a log

so we can see your rotation

[sick sentinel]

i am logging, im just not uploading and sharing them

[small dove]

ok, will have to wait till next raid but is there any guidance in the meantime on what a rotation should be right after taunt?

[fallen pulsar]

Whats the overall dps generally for you vs the bear

I have this issue with my cotank but its me taking aggro from him because I do double his dps

[small dove]

was not previously having issues with it until this patch, we were previously equal dps, I went up 10 item levels (3 on weapon) and he remaind virtually same, his dps is now nearing double mine when we were previously equal

[strong forum]

sounds like he learned to press his buttons

[plush tendon]

^

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah I think you just need to do your rotation better

[plush tendon]

Best thing to do.... press buttons on CD

dont let Shield Slam sit

[fallen pulsar]

Cant tell you what specifically without logs

[plush tendon]

and dont let rage cap

[fallen pulsar]

But cast more

[plush tendon]

but a log is needed for more indepth then that

[small dove]

yeah I get that, I am literally spamming lol, getting carpal tunnel

shield slam is already used on cooldown

[dusky canopy]

Easiest suggestion to make without any information is, be sure you are pressing shield “spam” as much as possible

[strong forum]

ya i somehow dont trust thta

you got some logs

[dusky canopy]

CPM should be through the roof

[small dove]

no ill have to create them this week

[dusky canopy]

Go to warcraftlogs

[plush tendon]

Im at like 72 Cast per minute

[dusky canopy]

And lookup your toon

[fallen pulsar]

Does your guild log?

[plush tendon]

so thats a button ever >1 second

[dusky canopy]

Chances are someone else logged a fight you were on

[fallen pulsar]

Any previous logs will do lol

Since you havent spiked in damage but he has

[small dove]

trying to check

[dusky canopy]

I’m not optimal at all SS CPM is usually 12+

Let me check my brood from last night

[strong forum]

mine is 17-18

[fallen pulsar]

I usually float 16-17

I’m not nome level chad 😦

[vocal bison]

box right? neither option seems fantastic but I think puzzle box is decent for offspec fury

[fallen pulsar]

Puzzle is massive dps, but annoying to use

[plush tendon]

id go puzzle.... for ARMS!

screw Fury

[sick sentinel]

which cloak enchant do you guys normally run

[plush tendon]

all about dat arms

[fallen pulsar]

I’d puzzle on prot its just reallly annoying lol

[vocal bison]

yea

[dusky canopy]

Almost 😅

[vocal bison]

offspec SMF thunderfury ftw, lol, troll offspec if i have to switch

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/watchout-badass-neildegrassetyson-gif-5031973

[dusky canopy]

Lmao oh no

[small dove]

is there an addon to download for logs or is it just registering through the site

[plush tendon]

you would need to download the client

so that you can log yourself

but honestly, your guild should be logging in some capacity: and if not, better late then never!

[modern brook]

Got a char name?

[dusky canopy]

Takes a bit to learn wcl but definitely worth if you have an interest in improving

[small dove]

zok-emerald dream

[torpid junco]

is Boon bad for us?

[lofty widget]

no

[dusky canopy]

Boon is the shit

[prisma crane]

best aoe trinket in the game, risky though, so you have to learn when and where to use it

[plush tendon]

does big dam, may lead to death.... but its the price we pay

[dusky canopy]

Just don’t get yourself caught

[plush tendon]

for more reliable results, please use whetstone

[lusty tiger]

❤️ my whetstone

[modern brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/emerald-dream/zok @small dove pog name btw

[plush tendon]

Whetstone is bae

[dusky canopy]

trying to be a whetstone gamer

[modern brook]

havent looked at any

[small dove]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

same but avoidance horn of valarjar

[strong forum]

yeah so

your cpm is ~20cpm behind

so 40%

[modern brook]

yeah you're slow on casts

[nimble laurel]

when are they going to give us our shield models back?!

[strong forum]

youre not pressing avatar nearly often enough

[lusty narwhal]

If im gonna make crafted bracers as tank I should just go with the dual stats over the tinker socket yea?

[strong forum]

neither are you sending your CDs on CD

[fallen pulsar]

Just going to cherry pick here 😎

[strong forum]

youre also playing the wrong talent build

[small dove]

honestly first time doing the heroic fights so still learning the mechanics

[nimble laurel]

tinker with haste imo

[lusty narwhal]

hmm

@strong forum what you think?

[strong forum]

about what

[sick sentinel]

think of it this way, hitting avatar now lets you hit SW earlier further down road

[modern brook]

just say tokens

[lusty narwhal]

if im crafting bracers, do i go with dual stats

or tinker with haste?

[sick sentinel]

so then you are now living longer cuz more SW

[strong forum]

thats up to you

[plush tendon]

Engi bracers are pog

so are the embellished pvp bracers

if you have a free embellishment

[small dove]

been trying to figure out what the correct build is, so guidance is appreciated

[plush tendon]

but Id go with engi over primal molten anyday

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDERA

play this

[dusky canopy]

Wooo boy you were pumpin, I’m humbly not the best I’m aware

[strong forum]

bloodborne is a terrible talent, dont use it

[sweet summit]

make me

[strong forum]

make sure to also send your CDs like ravager and ESPECIALLY SHIELD CHARGE

on CD

[sick sentinel]

its because, while bleeds are important to how our kit works

[fallen pulsar]

I also cherrypicked a short council fight lol

[sick sentinel]

the bleed it self does fuck all dmg

[strong forum]

you only used 1 shield charge in 5minutes, its only a 45second CD

and a huge source of dmg output

[fallen pulsar]

Fast kill + huge rage gen = ez cpm

[small dove]

alright

[vocal cradle]

MRT, Raider.IO and probably a couple other addons automatically start logging when you're raiding or in M+

[modern brook]

30% of your 3rd gate talents are dedicated to shield charge

so not slamming that on cd is a big deal

[vocal cradle]

you can go to the website and upload the logs yourself

[sick sentinel]

if possible, the ideal time to use SC up is when you have avatar, and the foe debufed with demoralizing shout, so you deal extra dmg

[drifting minnow]

does spell block work for hyrja TB?

[small dove]

granted that I would shield charge on CD, do you want to do that immediately after a tank swap? how does that get timed

[fallen pulsar]

Demo shout and sc should always line up btw (assuming you’re not taking thunderlord)

[sick sentinel]

what is hyrja TB, i only ever spell block her on balls

just to reduce if when i gunna get hit

[fallen pulsar]

Pretty sure getting hit still hurts your team in aoe

[nimble laurel]

use it on her beam

[sick sentinel]

thats an interesting knock on effect i didnt realize

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah, the balls will do party damage each time someone is hit iirc, so while you will probably be fine, everyone else will be having it rough. (Assuming spell block doesnt negate it entirely)

[sick sentinel]

100% remember to temporarily turn on D stance when she casts the phase change ability knockback

[modern brook]

the movement portion of sheild charge is tertiary to the ability

[sick sentinel]

and then back to Bstance after you did that and live

[modern brook]

it can be used in melee unlike regular charge, and should be used with other cooldowns active like Avatar + demo to maximize their damaage

so the answer to your question is "on cooldown"

[sick sentinel]

it will hit you for minimum 350k ish on this week if it hits you

[fallen pulsar]

I really love that shield charge can be used under 8 yards, its been so useful having a close charge lol

[modern brook]

if your cotank cant hold aggro through it, hes a coward

[fallen pulsar]

This tbh

[uneven ice]

TJS is cursed. Three in a row with disband on last pull

[fallen pulsar]

I’ve trained my cotank to spam taunt during my bursts

Gets really awkward when we hit the taunt diminishing return limit, but I just pump harder until I rip

[undone verge]

alternatively train him to do more dps

[fallen pulsar]

But then I’d have to learn prot paladin, the less cool shield tank

[undone verge]

usually I just send their logs to the discord and relay what they say

[sick sentinel]

what the hell

[fallen pulsar]

Why not finish at that point lmao, at least you’d get loot

[warm plinth]

Or you know, make him do it since he should care about improving

[sick sentinel]

theres all these transmog items n stuff that i have to be a blacksmith, make an item, give it to engineer, he gives it to a leatherworker that puts leather on it then a give it to an enchanter and then i turn it in at the guy for a mog

[uneven ice]

o no

[fallen pulsar]

People be weird

[sick sentinel]

son of a btch....

[uneven ice]

I can go outside of TJS

[modern brook]

nice name

[warm plinth]

Thanks 😄

[uneven ice]

the loading bar is not working

i'm stuck here forever?

[modern brook]

rip tora

[fallen pulsar]

Rip

[warm plinth]

Now that's hell

Stuck in TJS foever

forever

[fallen pulsar]

[uneven ice]

it's a bug?

now i'm really worried

[sick sentinel]

FEEL MY PAIN

[modern brook]

i heard that bobby said you dont deserve the rest of the game

[sick sentinel]

i was stuck in cos for 4 hours cant log in

and then i struggled and raged at cos for like 12 hours yesterday trying to get a good IO key on it

[fallen pulsar]

Eh it’s not a huge deal. Especially since nothing on heroic can kill me even with double tank buster stacks

[uneven ice]

Pweh, i got out

[fallen pulsar]

If I ever need to stop pumping in order to be able to do the boss because of tank swap/aggro issues then I’ll make it more of a concern

Pug raids are the worst though lol, when I was doing pug normal rasz I would have to literally let go of the keyboard so the other tank could get aggro

[lusty narwhal]

Anyone with tinker bracers know what the difference in the quality of the tinket socket does? doesnt say on the item

[small dove]

what is current M+ preferred spec?

[fallen pulsar]

Huh?

[craggy kelp]

so ive seen some peoples chars talk ingame,like npcs,how do u do that

[fallen pulsar]

/say?

[craggy kelp]

not like normal talking

[small warren]

What is the limit to haste where it starts to have diminishing return?

[strong forum]

/e

[plush tendon]

I think its likelihood of it failing

[strong forum]

is emote talking

[trim bay]

Pins

[blazing condor]

uses /e to emote talk

[craggy kelp]

ye,where are emotes?

[strong forum]

theyre /laugh and so on

[craggy kelp]

i press but nothing happens

[strong forum]

you dont have an emote UI

[small dove]

I'm just trying to understand what the preferred talents are for running mythic plus at higher level

[strong forum]

you have to type them

[trim bay]

Check pins

[craggy kelp]

ah k

[trim bay]

Wow head or icy veins

[sick sentinel]

i only did the right side, but those are your main "choice" talents

[strong forum]

the ones i pinned

[small dove]

alright, thanks

[torpid zenith]

Any item to specifically craft as fresh prot war? (Besides lariat maybe)

[strong forum]

belt if you gonna get fire rings

[sick sentinel]

ohhh sorry

[strong forum]

otherwise shield > weapon > armor/belt/lariat

for ilvl upgrades

[small warren]

Is strike twice the bis wep?

[strong forum]

at highest ilvl, yes

it doesnt beat a higher ilvl weapon but if you can get it at 421 it is bis

[sick sentinel]

this is the correct one for the left side, i had bad talents selected in other one

[small warren]

I'd assume with the cos ring it is even better yeah?

[sick sentinel]

and then right side the ones circled are your choiice based on content

[edgy bone]

@sick sentinel what do you mean based on content

Can you describe the situations that fit each red circle

[small warren]

Fortified/tyrannical weeks and the dungeons you do with the choice of choosing spell block or not

[sick sentinel]

for instance spell block is basically mandatory on TJS boss 3 jade serpent stirke

however, other dungeons it is borderline useless,

[edgy bone]

@strong forum what's your opinion on rumbling ruby as tank? Vs blazebinders hoof

@sick sentinel ok I'm following

[sick sentinel]

ask for assist if you need to know when use a certain talent or not

[small warren]

It's useful in ruby/cos/tjs and many others imo

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt seem right on paper

but in practice it just feels so right

[edgy bone]

@small warren why is spell block good in CoS?

[small warren]

A lot of magic DMG spread out in the dungeon.

[sick sentinel]

often times when im doing trash or a boss i'll start with a spell block early on unless i know they got something i need it for

[small warren]

I basically keep it all the time now

[edgy bone]

@small warren DPS loss without tough as nails though

What separates amazing prot warrs from good ones

[sick sentinel]

dps gain through healer has to healer you less and can help dps and cc and cleanse, thus making key go faster pace?

[uneven mason]

Imps when your DPS stun the first casts and waste sr

[edgy bone]

@sick sentinel when can I take battering ram over thunder Lord?

[untold pond]

always

[sick sentinel]

battering ram is generaly considered to be the better of the 2 over all

[uneven mason]

Tl is a waste outside of some ridiculously hard to predict situations

[fallen pulsar]

No

[edgy bone]

@sick sentinel what about into the fray for more haste instead of the repercussions talent

[sick sentinel]

i cant recall exactly yellow name would know for sure, but it screws with the rotation to take TL some how

[small warren]

I don't think it's a big DPS loss, also almost everyone that run high keys run spell block.

[sick sentinel]

ITF and HR is a hotly contested pick

[fallen pulsar]

Champions bulwark is more important

[sick sentinel]

chose the one you like

[untold pond]

I would like to point out that for spell block to work right you have to have block up

it took me way to long to realize that

[uneven mason]

It shouldn't be, itf has a mathematical point where it becomes better, just no one thinks for themselves and takes it with 8% haste and stacks casters in their m+

[small warren]

It's definitely a choice talent, but it's useful to have more times than not you know

[untold pond]

oh now that i know how it works i like it, but for awhile i wouldnt have shield block up and would cast it and be confused

[small warren]

I see yeah once it works, it's one of the strongest tools in the game just like spell reflect

[uneven mason]

You can still block spells just rng with your mastery

[sick sentinel]

i'm playing HR cuz i like 20 rage for 1 SS which i'm hitting like crazy (logs would deteremine thta to be a lie)

[small warren]

Everyone becomes the master of interrupt and stops when i have SR I swear to God LOL

[uneven mason]

Right like it's a guarantee, Sr causes the nearest ae stun to go off

[small warren]

It's hilarious and soul crushing at the same time

[uneven mason]

"let the mobs kill themselves with reflec? fuck that, let's see if they kill the healer in the next cast"

[small warren]

😂😂😂 never fails

[patent saddle]

do you normally open vault on dps spec or tank spec for loot ?

[uneven mason]

My favorite is when I shockwave to sync up the dark claws and each DPS picks a different target to use different duration stuns so not only are they desync, they're now on full dr

[full crane]

Hellos guys, what is more worth i get it?? (The left ones is the one i already had)

[uneven mason]

If you have good shield open as dps

[patent saddle]

iv got crafted shield and wep 418

[uneven mason]

That's a pretty hoof

[sick sentinel]

me preparing to pull boss 3 trash : " you need to stand back plz and not attack till it comes out the gate so we don't get feared"
dps players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8do9BrAfPp4

[uneven mason]

Open as dps

[patent saddle]

i have same trinkets as picture above from that guy

[uneven mason]

K

[patent saddle]

so i think getting higher ilvl trinkets is biggest upgrade for me now

[uneven mason]

Yup

[patent saddle]

aight ths

[uneven mason]

Enjoy your selection of 421 2h weapons

[small warren]

Yep

[faint yoke]

so only seen tier, today in vault over 5 weeks, i have 2piece, a 395 chest and 415 legs. I also have a 421 non tier chest in bags, and this Vault. Would it be better to take that tier helm, and convert gloves into tier for 4piece, or Take those 418 shoulders(26ilvl upgrade) and Convert those into Tier, maintaining 2 piece and using the 421 chest(26ilvl upgrade)

[patent saddle]

well good 2 hand wep wouldnt be bad either , as i play furry in raid and in m+ i tank

[full crane]

Trinket then?

[uneven mason]

Probably the best choice,

Woof

Could be worgen

Or hmt, seen some strange hmt obsession

[sacred flare]

any recomendations on vault

[vestal rover]

would frostfire belt be better than say another embellishment if you don't have diurna or eranog ring?

[weary saddle]

w/o the rings, i made molten belt for haste/vers

[sick sentinel]

did they fix the hryja tech

can someone confirm

[craggy anchor]

do you guys prio shield slam for higher shield block uptime when you get the reset proc?

[sick sentinel]

you always press shield slam whenever you can

[delicate kraken]

How often do you guys try to clear your thundering debuff while tanking?

[pallid quiver]

As soon as I realize DPS ain't doing it and it's safe to

[craggy anchor]

ok cool thanks that made the most sense the guide seems to prio thunder slam during avatar but living is better than damage

[delicate kraken]

Yeah i am starting to have a similar problem, Dps and heals stretching it down to the milisecond. Sometimes to much is going on to hold out for that long

[pallid quiver]

The guides are mostly trying to reinforce that TC can and should be pressed every other GCD in Avatar with UF, since it does more damgae than revenge then and gens rage

[sacred flare]

Is there an updated list of trinkets?

[pallid quiver]

So you can often end up just SS/TC/SS/TC if resets allow

[cunning canyon]

Can I get a rec?

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Raghat?utm_source=addon

Do I take these 421 verst/mastery back, 418 waist (can catalyze to haste/verst) or take strike twice and replace my 382 version? I am looking at future, I know short term, the strike twice is the best by far

[small warren]

Yeah run at least 8 dungeons lel

[craggy anchor]

ok cool thanks luerce preciat it

[fallen pulsar]

Tclap also only does more damage than SSduring avatar on 2 targets, so on most bosses the prio is still SS for damage

[pallid quiver]

It is also more damage to prio TC if you're in some big boy aoe if that's your goal

And you still prio outbursts on SS unless you're in big aoe

[craggy anchor]

na i need to step up as tank in my group so im trying to learn asap and staying alive is most important since we have some guys who can do some great damage

[pallid quiver]

If a Mage drops rune of power, they are more willing to wipe the ground than ever take a damn step out of the thing

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah, AA tree trash you can safely (almost) never press SS lol

[sacred flare]

Real helpful there guy

[fallen pulsar]

Tank damage is really relevant in m+ and although to less extent in raid too. Proper dps rotation leads to natural survivability for prot

[small warren]

I mean it is helpful, 8 dungeons gives you more options and chance for better items to drop.

[craggy anchor]

true im not discounting it

i think im doing good learning but i got a ways to go haha

[sacred flare]

Cool will keep note of that for when I have time to do that. You have any suggestions on the gear that I got from the vault this week?

[small warren]

Highest ilvl

[fallen pulsar]

Yeee playing to improve will carry you far. I just know that when I transitioned from a turtle mindset to max dps mindset I felt wayyyy tankier as prot

And this discord has tons of helpful folk

[vestal rover]

how do you sim a fully talented ruby whelp shell?

[craggy anchor]

true thanks nando!

[dusky canopy]

Boon and grief torch are fun

[dusky canopy]

Yoooo this!

[round pendant]

Yep that was easier lmao

[fallen pulsar]

Ayyy

[round pendant]

took a few more wipes and reforming group because puggers suck ass but, hella easy boss

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah thats how I felt after learning to SR every buster lmao

[round pendant]

ofc manic grieftorch dropped and went to the literal bottom dps btw

Honestly I hate the loot system in this game

[fallen pulsar]

Love2seeit.jpg

[craggy kelp]

Ok so guys,which guide do i follow,icy veins or wow head? bcz both of them tell me diffrent things to craft with sparks after lariat..so do i craft waist or weapons?

[fallen pulsar]

Weapon and shield are good, otherwise biggest ilvl increases

[craggy kelp]

welll i got 402 shield and 389 wep,but waist is 359

[fallen pulsar]

All embellishments are roughly equal. Lariat is a good general purpose one but expensive

[craggy kelp]

i have lariat allrdy

now i have 2 sparks left

[round pendant]

I got a 408 All-Totem of the Master tho, which is alright ig

not amazing

[craggy kelp]

well 3 after i do quest

[fallen pulsar]

I would boost waist and sword. and (assuming m+ shield) valor it to 415

[rough egret]

Does armor spikes rank affect its dmg?

[craggy kelp]

shield is actually dogshit

[fallen pulsar]

Sorry meant weapon

[fallen pulsar]

Valor the shield

Oh its the raid one

[edgy bone]

@fallen pulsar what busters are you referring to

[craggy kelp]

weapon

[fallen pulsar]

Brood as egg tank

Spell reflecting on each buster makes it braindead easy

[edgy bone]

@fallen pulsar mortal claws?

[fallen pulsar]

Ye

Its magic damage

[edgy bone]

I see

[fallen pulsar]

20% damage reduction

On the magic

[edgy bone]

I think if you take the 30sec reduced cool down on roar, then you gotta play into the fray for hastr

[fallen pulsar]

I do itf and roar cooldown in raid

[round pendant]

I just realised I didn't have itf

lmfao

noooo

[fallen pulsar]

[round pendant]

only parsed 50, literal trash

70 for ilvl tho 🤔

[slim dove]

got a whetstone?

or grief

[round pendant]

nope

[slim dove]

then dont bother trying

[round pendant]

lowest dps yoinked the grief and I still haven't spammed CoS

[slim dove]

both trinkets are beyond busted rn

[round pendant]

Would love to get either one in my vault tomorrow

pref grief

since I can just grind for whetstone

[fallen pulsar]

Got 418 in whetstone in last vault, its pog

[small warren]

40 more mins till I can my vault lol

[knotty bluff]

418 crafted shield to 421 crit/mast shield or 395 tier gloves to 421 tier gloves?

[slim dove]

421 legs

we gamin

20 ilvls to catalyst

[outer wave]

how good is the all-totem of the master trinket for war?

[oblique quarry]

Very good for mythic plus

[outer wave]

i see a few of the big boys like andybrew and naowh using it

[slim dove]

bery good for m+

meh in raid

3-5% my overall dmg in keys, not including the insane haste buff

[outer wave]

i have a mythic decoration and a 421 whetstone. would u use the all totem over those?

[craggy kelp]

so all of sudden,i cant right click any1s names in chat,and i cant look at the items they link

is it bcz of addons

[slim dove]

decoration is pretty meh.

[patent hull]

Assuming I should take the ring here?

[slim dove]

yea

[tardy granite]

Is anyone know why Reflectable spell list weakaura isnt in Pinned ?

[robust lark]

what do we think of the horn of valor

[patent hull]

What's the best way to proc the ring, crafted belt?

[fallen pulsar]

wasnt being updated/maintained iirc

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[slim dove]

yes

[patent hull]

dang had other uses for my spark this week lol oh well

[merry slate]

Can anyone recommend a good plater profile for mythic plus?

[fallen pulsar]

farm more sparks, ezpz

[robust lark]

I use Quazii's plater profile and I like it

[patent hull]

Touche, salesman

[lofty drift]

+1 on Quazii

[merry slate]

k ty ill check it out

[robust lark]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxkf17lal38u96i/Quazii Dragonflight Plater - M%2B Season 1.txt?dl=0 direct link to it

[merry slate]

thx even better

[slow harbor]

Confused by the listing on the left, I assume I ignore the left 'current' and it would upgrade to 466 haste?

[fallen pulsar]

yeah that looks wrong

probably a bug

[dapper vapor]

I think the upgrade info is broken, it always shows max upgraded stats on left

[dense iris]

I am using decoration of flame and because of my horrible luck with trinkets im using puzzle box with it. I just got all-totem 408 in the vault. Should I replace my 415 puzzle box for the all-totem?

On the other hand I have a 9 ilvl upgrade tier set helm I could choose. I think the trinket would be the go to idea. (already have 4 set btw)

[lime cypress]

yeah the valor window is broken, just ignore the leftmost value

[cursive hedge]

can someone help me choose? I have the belt that procs fire damage, so the ring is a decent choice, but it's only 408. Getting the pants would increase my tier legs from 415 to 418 when i convert this week.

[tropic tangle]

sim

[cursive hedge]

how do I sim without gear I actually have?

[tropic tangle]

raid bots allows you to select vault slots

[mental drift]

with the weekly vault opened just do /simc and copy that script into the site

[lime cypress]

probably the ring tho

[modest gulch]

What boots you wearin?

[craggy kelp]

whats best t socket in lariat?

haste+versa right?

[modest gulch]

I did verse haste, because its an air gem and procs haste. The proc stat is based on elemental type not highest stat value.

[covert aurora]

418 seal of duty ring, or 415 tier gloves? I do not have any of the fire trinkets.

[modest gulch]

Bet /simc says pants

[cursive hedge]

just found out about all the enhancements to raidbots. simming now!

[modest gulch]

If it was seal of duty, but diurnas is just the shield proc

[tropic tangle]

seal of diurna chosen is the fire damage

[glacial ridge]

Best top gear is to sim raid talents with 1 target 5 min? use that for m+ also? or is there anything different for us prot warriors?

[tropic tangle]

filial duty is the shield proc

[modest gulch]

Oh, probably ring then if that is true

[lime cypress]

yea im pretty sure the extra source of damage will make up for any lost secondaries and then some esp if hes already wearing the fire belt

[lapis tapir]

so should i just go and complete 4 piece or pick up this nugget with leech?

[cursive hedge]

Yeah, sim says Ring by a large margin

[modest gulch]

Tough call, the leech is rarer imo

[cursive hedge]

although it didn't tell me to convert my two pieces of gear into tier. not sure what happened there. i selected 2 catalyst charges

[lime cypress]

the leech is nice but 4 being complete is a pretty big value add for prot

*4 piece

[balmy canyon]

If your guild won't kill you I'd vote for do a few tier bosses first and see if four set drops first

[tropic tangle]

need to click the + sign on the item, and click convert to tier

[lapis tapir]

i dont raid

[covert aurora]

ya its the shield ring, but need fire damage to trigger the sield

[round pendant]

Anyone got a decent build for raz heroic? the wowhead one kinda sucks

[balmy canyon]

Cape or Pauldrons, I have the tier (415 for the 408 and the exact 402), the ring has garbage stats so it's out (unless someone tells me I'm completely wrong), and I'm unsure on the trinket.

[lime cypress]

oh if you dont raid definitely do 4pc

[ancient tartan]

You can look on subcreation

[round pendant]

good point

[ancient tartan]

Any opinions on this trinket...seems unimpressive just reading it but apparently performs well via blood mallet?

[strong forum]

its on of the better trinket for ST damage output

its solid

[ancient tartan]

Thanks

[modest gulch]

Here is a high score log if you want, just click show more under talents

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tVZbdyBArRkPw16a#fight=6&type=summary&source=25

[cursive hedge]

Thank you! man raidbots has come a long way

[jaunty rune]

Dumb question, but just to make sure - do you need shield block up in order for spell block to work or are they separate?

[steel mauve]

they're seperate

[jaunty rune]

Awesome thank you

[sick sentinel]

how many balls can i soak on lighting boss2 notgud

in a say up to 15

i cant think of any off top of head but there was a a few in like BFA, have to reset stacks at 8 or somethin, can only soak 3 balls

[modest gulch]

Thought cap was 10

[sick sentinel]

well, how many would a sane person want to stop at in a 15

[grave flower]

They’re not separate

They interact

[sick sentinel]

im going to try to stop around 5-7 stacks, given that someone said the cap is 10 stacks,

[steel mauve]

ah, did i read it wrong, i assumed it was another spell, and not an addition to shield block

[modest gulch]

Do shift+j and read the debuff on the boss info tab for nok

[grave flower]

It allows your blocks to also block spells.

It’s not like SR

Sr is separate

[steel mauve]

thats my bad then, it allows your blocks to block spells so it interacts with it, to be technical no shield block isnt required, but it makes it a 100% chance to block with

[grave flower]

That’s fair

Not required but since you want and can get 100% SB uptime, it’s required through proxy lol

[steel mauve]

"highly suggested" 😛

[warm plinth]

Yeah using spell block and not using shield block during it is just wasting the CD

[pallid hare]

What do ya'll think. 418 brood keeper ring or 418 tier helm? both are like a 15 ilvl upgrade.
(I have the crafted fire-belt but getting the tier helm would let me use the crafted pant if that matters)

[fossil spindle]

you all mind if i run my vault by you to see what i should take?

[warm plinth]

As long as you give us what you currently have as well so we're not just guessing

[fossil spindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6a9044db8c3421240ef19b82aca3d947.png

https://i.gyazo.com/3783665ebfa435f8b3ff0e851c168bbb.png

[cloud tide]

into the frey better than the other talent?

[pallid hare]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8bJHoV5bkyar5sPguki4z
What do you think about these options? Debating between 418 brood keeper ring or 418 tier helm with these mix and match of potential crafted pieces?

^ i was surprised the frostfire legs are simming that high when they are seldom mentioned as a prefered crafting option

[warm plinth]

No

[cloud tide]

prot warrior from method said it was better

[warm plinth]

Don't sim dungeon slicei for prot warrior

[strong forum]

cuz you get the buff of the pants every 30-45seconds

unlike in actual m+

[pallid hare]

whats the best option for M+ sim?

just a mix of single and 5-target patchwork and then do some thinking then?

[strong forum]

1t 3min + lust
5t 1.5min-3min no lust
10t 1.5min-3min no lust

[warm plinth]

In M+ without really high haste, it's better to take Heavy Repercussions.

[covert aurora]

what do I need to make this ring work, and is it better than a 315 tier piece? Like, do I need the fire trinkets for this to be good?

[warm plinth]

Frostfire belt

[covert aurora]

415 tier piece

[cedar coral]

is the "dungeon slice" fight style on simc actually any good for m+ sims?

[strong forum]

no

[cloud tide]

what about if ur going for single target dps?

[strong forum]

it works with our APL, but how the fight actually plays is poor

[warm plinth]

In raids you can go ItF

[strong forum]

its basically an m+ compacted into 6min instead of 30min

[pallid hare]

well ignoring my poor use of dungeon slice. any thoughts on the gear options? trying to decide on those vault options.
patchwork makes the ring look like the better option?

[strong forum]

so the fight lengths are proportionally short

[cloud tide]

i got 33%haste with it is that overkill

[strong forum]

no

33% haste with ITF is incredibly low

[fossil spindle]

theres nowhere really for us to do something like simming as a tank is there?

[cloud tide]

ah

[strong forum]

?

you sim like normal

survivability comes from playing well

[glacial ridge]

sim damage you use raidbots

[strong forum]

not from stats

[cedar coral]

thank you. do you have a recommendation for which fight style to use if my only content is m+?

[glacial ridge]

sim survivability... well we dont really need to worry about that

[strong forum]

#protection message

[cedar coral]

omg i'm so stupid. joined the chat like right after that. thank you.

[strong forum]

tanks have it quite simple just follow this priority list
ilvl > haste >> crit=vers > mastery

if you apply this

youre 99% on the right track

[fossil spindle]

is ruby help shell a good option? i have it in my vault at 411IL but im using 402 decoration of flame and 395 incarnate icon

[glacial ridge]

Maybe pin the recommended simming for spuds like me 😛

[strong forum]

its alphabetical :kappa:

[glacial ridge]

my 392 full ST trained sims better than my 408 icon

[strong forum]

whelp isnt half bad

[warm plinth]

Stats are NEVER going to be why you died. Gameplay>ilevel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stats

[glacial ridge]

depends who else in your party/raid has icon

[warm plinth]

Probalby should be more arrows before ilevel tbh

[torpid junco]

@strong forum would you take 421 tier chest for 4p even though I already have a 421 chest or 421 gloves (wearing tier 395) and stay at 2 piece

[strong forum]

is that even a question?

[ebon wren]

is ruby whelp shell good for prot? (big upgrade 395->411) but I dont really want to give up my nok scale trinket

[torpid junco]

Yea lol

[strong forum]

youll get a catalyst charge this week

[tropic tangle]

yeah, wut

[strong forum]

wait so

theyre not anymore

[torpid junco]

I might have to wait 2 weeks for 4p

If I don’t take now

[strong forum]

you already have a 421 chest, but its not tier and 395 gloves that are tier

[fossil spindle]

the whelp from the trinket has to be trained doesnt it

[strong forum]

and now youre wondering if you replace the chest?

with vault chest?

[warm plinth]

Yes, and it's shit for keys

[torpid junco]

Yep

[strong forum]

and why cant you turn your already 421 chest into tier?

and then pick 421 gloves

to turn into tier next week

[torpid junco]

That would net my 3 pieces

[vast rivet]

418 Idol of Hooves or Horn of Valor?

[torpid junco]

I would be replacing tier gloves with non tier

[strong forum]

youll just catalyse the gloves next week

you dont replace them now

[round pendant]

wow raz heroic is miserable in pugs

[strong forum]

you do it next week

[tropic tangle]

all it does is get you 4 pc a week earlier

[strong forum]

^

pick the gloves, and sit on them until next week to catalyse

[tropic tangle]

don't waste a 421 vault slot for something you get no matter what next week

[strong forum]

ive picked pants from my very first vault

that i still cant wear

cuz of tier

eventually ill be able to use em

[vast rivet]

Which one, all of my current trinkets 402.

Thank you for your help

[round pendant]

idol

[torpid junco]

I would be waiting 2 weeks for 4 piece not 1

[vast rivet]

ty

[strong forum]

you get 1 charge

every week

for catalyst

you just got a charge

[round pendant]

hopefully I get some goooood gear in my vault

[tropic tangle]

you said you could get 4 pc this week if you pick chest?

[strong forum]

ye but thats a bad choice

he already has a 421

[tropic tangle]

yep, agreed.

[torpid junco]

I have tier legs and gloves but gloves are 395

[round pendant]

bro how are people having such trouble with the kick orbs in raz

[strong forum]

YES

[round pendant]

do I just have to wipe and wipe and wipe until I get a group who can do them

[strong forum]

and you catalyse the 421 chest

that gives you 3pc

[torpid junco]

But I take off gloves cuz I took in vault

[strong forum]

sure for now, until you can catalyse to get the 4pc

which would be next week

[prisma crane]

i feel like im reading in dejavu

4p isnt THAT important in the first place imo

[strong forum]

imo it is for m+

[prisma crane]

and having a piece of gear long term

is better than something good for a week

[strong forum]

but like, picking 421 tier chest when you already have a 421 chest

[torpid junco]

I cata chest now and gloves next week and I have legs now. That’s 3 piece lol

[strong forum]

is kinda troll

[prisma crane]

100%

[strong forum]

which you withheld until just now

you never mentioned that you dont have 3pc already

[torpid junco]

Yea I don’t

[prisma crane]

even more reason to pick the other piece

[strong forum]

id still go the route i said

[tropic tangle]

advice remains the same lol

[strong forum]

pick gloves

catalyse chest or gloves

[tropic tangle]

go run the heroic raid and hope for helm/shoulder

[strong forum]

equip until you can get 4pc and catalyse further

[torpid junco]

Already ran raid today. No dice

[strong forum]

going for short term reward isnt that good if you ask me

[torpid junco]

I guess I can just put my 395 gloves back on next week for 4p

[prisma crane]

agreed, esp with how random vault is

[tropic tangle]

Also an option

[strong forum]

which is literally what i said

like 4 times

[pallid quiver]

Short term reward is only good if there's a reason for it, and those are running low at this point

[prisma crane]

[torpid junco]

I’m trying to push 22’s atm and feel like I need the gain now

[strong forum]

its not necessary, especially this tyrannical week

its gonna be a yoke

[prisma crane]

the way i look at it, if you've managed to survive this long w/o 4p or w/e waiting another week isnt going to make or break your success

[strong forum]

its a 1 week gain

[pallid quiver]

pretty sure the long term gain's better for that, boss

[strong forum]

like, sure

[torpid junco]

Fair. Alright thanks guys

[strong forum]

you can absolutely get it now

[tropic tangle]

your long term ilvl gain is going to be more impactful than 4pc

[strong forum]

if you absolutely want

but youll have literally wasted an entire vault

to get 4pc 1 week earlier

[torpid junco]

I have the crit haste 421 chest. Was gonna keep that non tier

[strong forum]

ultimately up to you

i myself will run 5/5 tier

[torpid junco]

I’ll prob cata my 415 shoulders

How come ?

[strong forum]

cuz you want a bit of all stats

[prisma crane]

just cata the 421 gloves, you wont find better anyways

[strong forum]

thats a good way to go about it

[pallid quiver]

But muh stat prio

[warm plinth]

But mastery is at the bottom of the stat prio Nom. It's gArBaGe

[pallid quiver]

I gotta stack the one stat to rule them all

[warm plinth]

Vers

[pseudo edge]

is there a good point to reach for haste for rage generation?

[pallid quiver]

Crit

[prisma crane]

100% mastery meme in Legion was a lot of fun

[strong forum]

as much as you can teklife

the breakpoint where you want to stop getting haste is ~7.2k

gl with that

[warm plinth]

Challenge accepted

[strong forum]

(its not possible)

[warm plinth]

Blizz pls put reforging in so I can accomplish this goal

[indigo gulch]

rumbling ruby or all-totem of the master trinklet is better?

[pseudo edge]

i've had some issues in the last few weeks on bosses or smaller packs were my rage just drys up

[warm plinth]

totem

[strong forum]

all-totem

[prisma crane]

all totem all day

[torpid junco]

Aren’t gloves worst stats of tier

[warm plinth]

Are you doing what my nickname says not to?

[strong forum]

^

[pseudo edge]

that is a good question

[prisma crane]

ppl just have a hard time seeing that all totem's dmg is broken into 4 parts AND they dont account for the buffs it also provides

[grim nymph]

421 ruby whelp or 421 burgeoning seed...interesting vault options

[prisma crane]

whelp imo

[warm plinth]

wow those are not great options

But whelp for sure

[prisma crane]

seed is poop

[warm plinth]

Unless you already have good trinkets

Then socket 🙂

[prisma crane]

yea true

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/V7ha12w.png

this is from TJS where i did 69k dps

[warm plinth]

Nice

[strong forum]

and thats not even counting the buffs it gives

[pseudo edge]

yes i am currenlty using Barbaric Training

[warm plinth]

Don't do that smacks hand

[strong forum]

yeah, stop doing that then

[prisma crane]

how barbaric

[strong forum]

and all your rage problems will be solved

[tropic tangle]

you have a paste string for that?

[warm plinth]

👉 🚪

[strong forum]

?

its just logs

[grim nymph]

already taken a socket this season

[pseudo edge]

ok - where am i dropping the point into instead?

[tropic tangle]

ooooh, I was thinking details but yeah that's logs.

[strong forum]

yeah same juniper

[tropic tangle]

nm

[strong forum]

i can give you the details string

[warm plinth]

idk what is your build right now @pseudo edge

[strong forum]

play one of the builds in pins tek

[grim nymph]

but yeah, welp is a go. My current trinkets are granyth's at 415 and a 405 windscar whetstone

[strong forum]

yeah pick whelp

[warm plinth]

Yeah whelp is a go 😂

[strong forum]

run that + whetstone

[warm plinth]

Train in ST or haste

[grim nymph]

whetstone is always locked in :P

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/HDzD.gif

[royal rune]

i've 2 chested a 20 SBG but find it hard to still get invites...

[pseudo edge]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRQRpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQRA was what i was using last week

[royal rune]

is it my ilevel?

i'm 407

[cyan lichen]

Hello, I´ve come to ask what should I catalyst to get 4 pieces.
Options:
Head:
392 + socket (crit = vers)
395 (crit>mast)

Pants:
402 (mast>cirt) from heroic, not upgradable
398 (crit>mast) w/avoidance

All other 2 options are form m+ and upgradable

[prisma crane]

last 3 vaults have been 421 pants, 421 whetstone, 421 chest, i cant complain

[warm plinth]

2 chesting SBG is like winning a participation trophy

[strong forum]

Details.OverridedSpellIds[377461] = 377457;
Details.OverridedSpellIds[382133] = 377457;
Details.OverridedSpellIds[377458] = 377457;
Details.OverridedSpellIds[377459] = 377457;

paste that into details auto run code

[prisma crane]

(all first slot choices since i dont do a lot of 20s)

[strong forum]

and itll combine your totem into 1 source

[tropic tangle]

what are your other dungeons? if SBG is your highest by far, people probably thinking you can't hack it in others

[warm plinth]

@warm plinth saving this for later

[pallid quiver]

but what about barely +1'ing an SBG? What's that?

[royal rune]

19 CoS

i'm 2398 raiderio

[tropic tangle]

ok, CoS is also the second easiest dungeon

[warm plinth]

It's like eating paste in the corner while other kids get a participation trophy

[prisma crane]

where might i find that auto run code thing?

[strong forum]

my vaults have been
vault 1 421 tierchest
vault 2 421 tierchest
vault 3 421 tierchest
vault 4 421 chest

[modest gulch]

My vault is basically... upgrade a ring from 398 to 418 (a ring I'm not going to keep long term), or take tokens and socket something.