protection

[jagged pier]

u loose value

when u dont use it on CD

🤷

[kindred prairie]

ye I understand the difference. But decoration helps with surviving some spicy pulls like the triple pack pull this week on halls of valor start

just IP doesnt cut it

[jagged pier]

i mean SW will do the same thing

[kindred prairie]

the breath on that bolstered dragon trucks

[jagged pier]

u arent living that pull because of the trinket

u can out range the breath

why are u tanking it

[kindred prairie]

that i actually didnt know

[cinder storm]

Hardest part of that pull is not even the dragon

[jagged pier]

its intuprts

[cinder storm]

It's the dps not clearing thundering

[jagged pier]

which dps dont want to do

[kindred prairie]

but it lasts like 6 sec

[hardy snow]

every interrupt should have builtin mechanic like "after sucesfuly interrupting enemy you deal x% more dmg", then they will start to interrupt

[jagged pier]

and the shield from the trinkets lasts like 2

i dont think u understand how fast is disappears

[cinder storm]

At some point you can just kite

[jagged pier]

there are talents for that

but u dont take them

[kindred prairie]

I know that its just gone immediately as all damage goes to that shield

[hardy snow]

exactly, this should be basic of the interrupts itself

[vestal rover]

that or people just learn the hard way that you have to kick stuff otherwise you die in higher keys

[kindred prairie]

it adds to the survivability tho. I can facetank longer and do damage longer instead of kiting

[jagged pier]

your over valuing the trinket

[cinder storm]

It really doesn't

[jagged pier]

like just playing properly lets u do that

like using a few more IPs instead of revenges

same effect

tbh u have so much rage because u have cds running on that pull

u have the rage to do what u want

[cinder storm]

You only need to backpedal and kite when needed

[vestal rover]

atm I like dec but that's cause I'm new and trash at using my IP, I need to work on that fo sure but it helps me atm

new to prot warr and tanking that is

[brittle silo]

what's the range on the breath btw? I didn't try to outrange that tbh. Thought that's like china rnage

[vestal rover]

we talking bout the dragon before 1st boss in HoV or?

[jagged pier]

like 25 yards or somthing

[cinder storm]

What Jakey is saying is, it's an ok trinket but it won't save you in any pull, playing properly will

[jagged pier]

if you want to use the trinket theres nothing wrong in using it

my point is its not a make or break on pulls

its stops some damage

does some damage

but its nothing huge

[vestal rover]

oh yeah defo true

[brittle silo]

so u have to either leap/intervene. Can you do that reliably in melee comp w/o sniping team members tho?

[kindred prairie]

does the dragon move while casting it?

[jagged pier]

no

[kindred prairie]

I always try to have IP up. sometimes tho I have a spicy pull for whtever reason (maybe dps dies because they failed a mechanic) and I run out of rage and cooldowns and cant spam IPs anymore for the moment. That trinket tbh saved me many times as it gives relief for a second or 2 to build more rage

[jagged pier]

well there we go running out of rage

that shouldnt happen

[kindred prairie]

off the top of my head - pulling leutenant on +20 AV this week with 1 of the packs. some dps died from the swirlies the elementals spawn. the fight was longer than expected, and that trinket saved me pretty much

[heady wedge]

Hey, is that possible to hold shield mastery at 100% uptime in dungeon ? (it sounds like it is with proper talents) should I instantly kite if i'm running out of it and I have no wall left ?
should I be on shield mastery every time against a boss or only for specific mecanics ?

[cinder storm]

If you were to post your worst recent log, there's a few people here that can over it and show you how doing something better could've kept you better positioned

[hardy snow]

by "mastery" you mean block? yes, we ca keep up shield block all the time during combat

[jagged pier]

it is possible for 100% shield block uptime

yes u need certain talents to do it

but u should be running them anyway

[kindred prairie]

should never happen? its not normal to run out of it if the pull is spicy?

[jagged pier]

#protection message second this not much we can do but look at logs tbh but just because a dps dies and pull goes on longer should be an issue

[jagged pier]

that means your spamming too much or other stuff

u shouldnt ever rage starve

thats literally playing incorrectly

[kindred prairie]

I guess I do spam revenge a bit too often

[jagged pier]

like for instance Nome srvived 3 or 4 crawth bleeds without a healer

so saying your struggling to survive a pull because it goes a bit longer with a healer alive is kinda yer u playing incorrectly tbh

[kindred prairie]

the leutenant was getting bolstered, and at 1 point the breath it did was getting unbearable

[hardy snow]

thats why you dont bolster it

[cinder storm]

Spellblock

[jagged pier]

i mean if your going to bolster it u save cds for the bolstered stuff

its also kinda dumb to pull him with other adds no?

as he already increase other mobs damage

[kindred prairie]

it doesnt do much other than that breath, the other trash damage is not a problem unless dps stands in swirlies

[brittle silo]

Welp, I did pull him with other stuff this week on 20. Tho I had to outrange that breath 😄

[kindred prairie]

killing it with some trash pack saves some time

[heady wedge]

I guess the correct way of spending excessive rage is pain thing absorb (I play in french...) priority 1 and if there is still an excessive amont of rage and absorb shield is still up -> revenge priority 2 ?
I've only played tank for TW dungeon for now so real things start this evening haha

[jagged pier]

right so why was the pull spicy then? sounds like u used cds incorrectly if u didnt have stuff for when it was bolstered if the small adds dont do anything

u need to think about these things

but I cant judge much of what your saying i need logs

🤷

[kindred prairie]

dps died to swirly -> leutenant took longer to kill -> I took more breaths than expected

[jagged pier]

okay i get that

but if your using cds early on the un bolstered breaths

[kindred prairie]

and not 100% sure but I believe the breath comes more often than every 20sec

[jagged pier]

thats wasting cds

like SR is up for every one

[kindred prairie]

so I possibly took a couple bolstered breaths

[jagged pier]

also stated above u can outrange the breath

[kindred prairie]

on the leutenant too?

[brittle silo]

Yup

[kindred prairie]

bruh what cant you outrange?

[lime urchin]

Don’t worry too much about it. Practice to have shield block up as much as possible and absolutely wreck the shield slam button.

[jagged pier]

searing blows

crawth bleed

[brittle silo]

jade strike

[lime urchin]

My mothers slipper

[kindred prairie]

guess I need to learn how to run away kek

[sick sentinel]

the battle axe in AA

randomly has 25 yrd range

[amber siren]

it's a magic axe with magic range

[sick sentinel]

i kinda dig this stutter step mechanic

would be better if its more telegraphed

rn its like

[brittle silo]

Sometimes I can backpedal it with 5y distance and sometimes it hits me from 20y

So rn i just stun the hell out of him

[heady wedge]

I tend to have excessive amont of rage in the opener since every important cd of the war gives rage (shout, roar, shield charge, avatar with thunder spam...)

but I don't really want to sit on my cds either (ravager and roar)

hopefully for active mitigation spend rage and are off gcd

[brittle silo]

prot has awesome feedback loop. More rage -> less cds -> more rage -> repeat

[heady wedge]

y

[brittle silo]

So imho you can pretty much spam roar,shout,sc,avatar on cd

[kindred prairie]

whats the best way to handle the 2nd pack on 1st ring in AV and the patrol with big crystal mob? both of them have a mob that shoots shards.

[heady wedge]

I feel like during avatar + ravager on packs I should revenge 1/2 gcd and thunder 1/2 gcd

[brittle silo]

stun + inti + spell block + wall if out of cc

[ionic fern]

Storm Bolt first.
SC second.
Shockwave Third
Fear 4th
Stormbolt Fifth

Usually some DPS'er does it also.

[kindred prairie]

do you pull those 2 packs together?

[ionic fern]

Which ones?

Give me a MDT image and i can show you.

[kindred prairie]

not in-game atm. the pack with 1 shard mob at the back + the patrol with another shard mob

[ionic fern]

If it's the walking big guy + piercing dude then i pull it into the other standing pack with the 1 elemental, 1 big guy and 1 piercing guy.

[ionic fern]

That's how i do that platform.

[versed zealot]

How much haste should go for before speccing away from into the fray?

[jagged pier]

u shouldnt be specced into ITF

[kindred prairie]

do you get some dps randomly getting hit by shards when you need to move out of circle?

[jagged pier]

for m+

[ionic fern]

No...

I don't get shards.

[versed zealot]

oh xd ty

[jagged pier]

and u go till u have 40% haste unbuffed by anything

[ionic fern]

"Storm Bolt first.
SC second.
Shockwave Third
Fear 4th
Stormbolt Fifth
Usually some DPS'er does it also."

[jagged pier]

but good luck with getting to that

[ionic fern]

If there's a fuckup there then i just position in the way that no DPS'er gets hit.

[versed zealot]

Ty again, should make it easier to keep the uptime

[kindred prairie]

meant specifically the circle of the big crystal mob

which has big radius

[high drum]

i wouldnt say "randomly"

they chose to follow the tank

[brittle silo]

If you dont get shards you dont gave a problem with getting out of circle 😄

[kindred prairie]

I stun the shards whenever I can, but between all the stuns in the group, often the mobs get immune to stuns for a bit

[high drum]

yeah you dont need to stun em all

spellblock op

[kindred prairie]

and sometimes they cast the stards just when I need to move out of that big circle

I dont have problems with my own survivability

its just that more often than not some1 dies to them lol

[high drum]

on the pack of 4 + 1 big guy?

after the 3 dragon shriek?

just run a different way to group

[shell mortar]

Why?

[brittle silo]

than dont stun shards at all. Eat them with spellblock and only stun when there's circle to dodge

[kindred prairie]

they run all over the place lol

[jagged pier]

because your loosing shield block for a very marginal gain in dps

[shell mortar]

It's around 6k DPS on average for me

I wouldn't say it's marginal

And you won't lose shield block of you run bolster

[jagged pier]

but then u loose somthing else

like spell block

[shell mortar]

6k DPS mate

[jagged pier]

or tough as nails

sims might tell u its 6k dps

[high drum]

SIX KAY DEE PEE ESS

[shell mortar]

I just don't take thunderlord

[jagged pier]

i doubt u actually get that

[shell mortar]

Useless talent anyways

[high drum]

u shouldnt take thunderlord anyway

its garbage

[jagged pier]

^

likei do more dps than most ppl that run ITF

🤷

[shell mortar]

Not simming, just tested in some 20s

[shell mortar]

Not really a good argument

[jagged pier]

yes because every key is exactly the same

with the same groups

[high drum]

almost everyone does this https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAAANVUVEVERFVYVVQDRBA

[jagged pier]

doing the same thing

all the time

[shell mortar]

On 5 target sim it's 8k DPS so

[jagged pier]

at the same point

[high drum]

yeah for the 5 target sim dungeon i'd take into da fray too

[shell mortar]

On dummies around 10k

I don't see a reason to not take ITF

[high drum]

golly are you telling me having more enemies that stand still and do nothing means the haste talent makes you do more damage?

incredible

[shell mortar]

At the very least it's 5k DPS for 2 talents coz you need bolster

And you're still saying it's not worth?

[brittle silo]

Yes

[high drum]

yep

[shell mortar]

Sheesh

[brittle silo]

spellblock >>>>> 5k dps

[jagged pier]

u dropping survivability for no reason
u also dont always have 5 stacks of the buff

[shell mortar]

You still have spellblock tho

[jagged pier]

espically on bosses

[high drum]

if u still have spellblock with bloster then youre not just dropping itf

[jagged pier]

HR is fuckingbusted

[shell mortar]

You don't need punish on fort

[high drum]

lol

he's dropping punish bros

lmao

📸

[shell mortar]

Punish is way less DPS

[jagged pier]

not taking punish is initing DR on specific mobs

like 12%

[ionic fern]

[hardy snow]

you dont take punish for just overall dps in logs

[jagged pier]

also is a dps increase it increases SS damage

[jagged pier]

which is still a huige portion of our damage

[shell mortar]

It's not 5k DPS increase tho

[lofty widget]

Bosses Are still where you gain the most time

[jagged pier]

okay but u drop it

for ITf

[lofty widget]

So dropping ST is stupid

[jagged pier]

its not 5k overall

[high drum]

HR + punish is gonna do more damage than ITF + bolster

[jagged pier]

because u loose damage from punish

[high drum]

over the course of a key

[hardy snow]

sometime its better to get 1k on prio target, then 5k overall spread on some meaningless trash

[high drum]

almost any key tbh

[shell mortar]

No lol

[high drum]

what are you doing, like +12s?

where u gather up 40 mobs

[shell mortar]

Haste is also Dr as it's more IPs

[high drum]

and pull them into bosses?

[shell mortar]

23-24

[jagged pier]

but if u use that on IPs

u dont have rage for revenge

🤔

[ionic fern]

Stop spreading bullshit, thanks.

[high drum]

hr is more rage on bosses

[ionic fern]

People need to get over the mentality of "It'S NOT BIS SO ITS GARBAGE".

[high drum]

why can this guy reply to me when i have him blocked

tl is BAD

[shell mortar]

TL is pretty bad yeah

[ionic fern]

🤦

[hardy snow]

why exactly its bad?

[ionic fern]

People are dumb.

Holy crap.

I cba.

[shell mortar]

You're gonna have more rage so you're not losing revenges tho

[lofty widget]

I guess mastery is trash as well

[high drum]

wish you had cba'd 5 lines sooner

[pallid quiver]

damn, mwahi, we traded roles

[shell mortar]

You are getting more CPM on claps and SS tho

[pallid quiver]

i was just watching this time

[mortal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/last-place-if-youre-not-first-gif-16048016

[shell mortar]

I don't get how you can say ITF + bolster is worse than HR + punish under proper play

[high drum]

easily

just introduce the mythic concept of

a boss mob

maybe put 2-3 of them in ur dungeons

[shell mortar]

You doing 1k more DPS on a boss won't win you more time than 5k overall DPS

That's not how it works

[high drum]

i dont think anyone is saying it will

[ionic fern]

Uh?

[shell mortar]

You are

[high drum]

but i also dont believe you're getting 5k dps dropping punish and HR

[craggy pilot]

if im trying to sim a guildie, is it possible to pull his gear from a log, rather than the gear from his wowarmory? 🤔

[shell mortar]

Yes, I am

[pallid quiver]

You normally just sit in the background and watch people you said before

[high drum]

what we're saying dendee is you're wrong about it being +5k dps

because boss mobs exist and you are in fact losing damage there

[pallid quiver]

meanwhile, normally I'm typin', though a lot dumber than you are about things

[high drum]

despite what your 5 target constant 3 min sim says

[shell mortar]

As I said, I tested it in multiple 20s

You can't read, can you?

[void marten]

sorry that's a lot of lines you talked, but in conclusion is it safe to say versa is our 2nd best stat?

[high drum]

crit or vers are both fine

[ionic fern]

Je, but people dumb.

So..

[pallid quiver]

Vers/Crit are roughly about the same value

[ionic fern]

🤷

[high drum]

link logs @shell mortar

[shell mortar]

I don't log my M+, sorry

[high drum]

pepelaff

[jagged pier]

so whole argument invalid

[shell mortar]

Wish I could provide

[high drum]

ok link rio then

maybe one of them got logged by someone else

[slim dove]

[pallid quiver]

this is certainly a conversation i'm watching here

[shell mortar]

Sure 1s

[high drum]

Haha look at me, I merely observe the stupid people! I sure am smart!

[ionic fern]

You ok?

[versed zealot]

just link bro xd

[high drum]

u ok xd

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Holydêen

[hardy snow]

@high drum @upbeat sigil can you answer this question? You stated that TL is bad, please explain what exactly makes this talent bad?

[high drum]

it desyncs demo from battering ram / other cds

[shell mortar]

It's not bad per se it's just not worth the point Vs other talents imo

[void marten]

god damn man i never thought i would miss marok

[jagged pier]

i fucking cba ive had enough of ppl coming in saying x and y and then there only point of is I felt it in 20s but dont provide any data

[high drum]

and results in almost no damage for a point investment that could go anywhere

[jagged pier]

and just go trust

i do 23s

like i cba

[shell mortar]

If you press demo on cd it's great but you don't want to always do it

[hardy snow]

No no no, you said "TL is pretty bad yeah", thats different

[high drum]

bad is a relative term

and i said its GARBAGE

[jagged pier]

still waiting for certian ppl to link logs i was promised a month ago

still hasnt happned

[hardy snow]

why it is garbage?

[crude notch]

what's garbage is this conversation

[sick sentinel]

i tried my best last night but keys kicked shit outta me

[alpine stag]

So many depletes in that io page kekw

[high drum]

it desyncs demo from battering ram / other cds
and results in almost no damage for a point investment that could go anywhere

[pallid quiver]

I provided the logs for someone once and then they just disappeared

[shell mortar]

Mate you're saying retarded shit like "never pick ITF" when every top warrior tank plays it for obvious reasons and you're the one getting tilted?

[high drum]

nothing wrong with having depletes

[crude notch]

Hello Mwahi

[high drum]

doubt anyone said enver pick itf

[jagged pier]

just because the top ppl play it doesnt mean its correct

[cedar trench]

"Top warrior plays it"

ohnonono

[jagged pier]

fuck me

[crude notch]

hak has never depleted a key ever

[high drum]

i take it every raid

[shell mortar]

He literally said never pick ITF

[ionic fern]

Helloo.

[shell mortar]

Word for word

[jagged pier]

in keys

i never mentioned raid u dumb ass

[alpine stag]

It is when you use it to ‘justify’ your opinion

[sick sentinel]

i now hate fort cos and av

[void marten]

when it stops becoming a civil discussion and evolves to a fight

[crude notch]

FITE FITE FITE

[ionic fern]

Mute mute mute.

[crude notch]

mute me you won't

[cedar trench]

👋

[void marten]

fuck around and find out

[sick sentinel]

he will

[ionic fern]

You've not done anything.

[shell mortar]

ITF is still good in both? You don't need bolster in raid so just pick up punish

[void marten]

can you like create a thread

[pallid quiver]

here's how imma handle this myself, take a page from Ghash's playbook

[void marten]

where they can keep ifghting

so i can check time to time

[pallid quiver]

Hi Mwahi, I love you.
Jakey, I love you too

imma bed now

[cedar trench]

[shell mortar]

Extra 2 rage per SS vs 10% haste HMMMMM

[cedar trench]

oh god

[jagged pier]

its not 10% haste

[cedar trench]

not this argument again lmao

[jagged pier]

its 10% haste sometimes

[woeful trellis]

Oh damn 🤣🤣

[cedar trench]

but bro i simmed it and its 7% aoe dam its HUGE

[void marten]

i play disrupting shout over champion's bulwark

AMA

[slim dove]

hgue

[shell mortar]

10% most of the time in raid, 10% like 60%+ in M+

[high drum]

me too on dethea

well not over bulwark

but i take it too 😊

[shell mortar]

Exceptions being bosses like Rasza in P1 or P2

[cedar trench]

99% SB vs "10%" haste

[shell mortar]

Why would you need 99% SB in raid? And ITF + Bolster is 99% SB in keys

[cedar trench]

IFT bolster

[lime urchin]

Whoa! ITF is new codex?

🍿

[cedar trench]

let me try and find a particular clip

[lime urchin]

HAVE THEY SAID TOP WARRIORS PLAY IT YET?

🍿

[dense ledge]

gotta pair it with bloodbourne

big dam

[cedar trench]

thats my favorite argument

TOP WARRIORS

[slim dove]

woyer

[lime urchin]

Woijoij

[cedar trench]

am beeg woyer be lub beeeeg haste

[lime urchin]

Dundahclap!

[shell mortar]

Guess this is why people say warrior discord is a meme

[ionic fern]

Play what you want.

Facts.

[cedar trench]

yes, people like yourself

[ionic fern]

What else?

[edgy spear]

there's a lot of value in not getting fucking clapped by your SB not being up

[cedar trench]

100% facts

if you like it play it

[void marten]

idk man i prefer people calling each other retard with actual arguments over this "haha im to funny and top warriors are bad" spam

[cedar trench]

no talent will deplete your key

[shell mortar]

Play good 😊

[void marten]

but i dont have a horse in this race

[lime urchin]

Excuse me sir. I need to min max my versatility for my weekly 15s

[ionic fern]

I'm not sure what you're looking for? Are you looking for validation for your ITF/Bolster choice or?

[cedar trench]

conflict it seems like

and validation

[jagged pier]

right lets start again, in m+ aoe damage isnt the problem its boss damage and survivability in general or well mitigation, we are a pure mitigation tank meaning we want to stop as much damage as possible we already do enough damage that we dont need ITF, and dropping 1 like 10-20% blocked hits from what ive seen in logs because u run ITF so going from 90-100% blocks hits down to like 70-80% blocked hits is an absolute stupid amount of extra damage your gunna take, punish is insane not only for ST damage but for DR on certain mobs like lieutenants and such trash mobs and bosses like crawth or 2nd boss in RLP etc etc,
also in m+ unlike raid u dont have enough ppl to give u stacks on ST which means u just loose the stacks on ST where it matter,
if u do take bolster to cover your loosing another talent pint somewhere else be it batterin ram a dps increase and rage gen increase or spell block/tough as nails (which actually does a lot of damage) or u drop ageis/ the wall which is dumb

it makes 0 sense

[shell mortar]

No, just don't understand how a whatever rank Jakey is can say "never pick ITF"

[jagged pier]

to take ITF over HR in keys

but if u want to

go head

but makes 0 sense

so u should never do it

[shell mortar]

You're not gonna drop SB with bolster

Like ????

How fucking bad do you need to play

[wanton lance]

most class discords are memes 😆 have you been to the DH one?

[jagged pier]

almost like u should read

[edgy spear]

Using one of your two big defensives purely as a way to keep up shield block in keys sounds dumb

[jagged pier]

the end

[jagged pier]

yes

[shell mortar]

Ah soz didn't read yeah

Anyways back to work, nice memeing lads

[ionic fern]

[cedar trench]

[ionic fern]

And nothing of informative came from this.

Good read.

[void marten]

peepoNotes pick into the fray in keys

peepoNotes heavy repercussions is bad

[high drum]

the real heavy repercussions are the discord posts we made along the way

[void marten]

i wonder if any people legit had a heart attack or at least hospitalized due to increased blood pressure in class discord arguments

[high drum]

i doubt it

[void marten]

in the history of class discords, which i think around 6-7 years?

[high drum]

most people are probably just bored at work

and will argue about anything.jpg

[crude notch]

Jakey would never

He ALWAYS provides useful information without insulting anyone

That's why he's yellow

🙂

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[void marten]

yellow is definitely a color

[cedar trench]

league player

opinion rejected

[woeful trellis]

That’s the thing that they (also me) don’t see, I had it in my head from bfs rotate sb with bolster - so I don’t thought about it as
„Normal cd“ but idk why ppl don’t open up again like this dude 😅

[ionic fern]

We've been the best and the memest Discord today.

Going big.

[dense ledge]

does someone drop sidearm to grab honed reflexes?

[high drum]

im sure someone does

[jagged pier]

no

[high drum]

its a big ole world

[cedar trench]

should make a collage mwahi

[ionic fern]

I'm lazy.

😦

[crude notch]

"mY tWeNtY yO gAmE iS bEtTeR tHaN yOuR tWeNtY yO gAmE" energy right there

[dense ledge]

just wondering how to get to the talent but can't drop fear and don't want to lose dam

[jagged pier]

u dont need it

in m+

[void marten]

drop bounding stride if you want it

[jagged pier]

no

[cedar trench]

[dense ledge]

there is often a moment where I want to interrupt and it is literally 1 second off

[high drum]

by design i believe

some things are intentionally made so 2 people need to inturupt

some 1

[jagged pier]

^

[dense ledge]

ah true can go that way

[wanton lance]

sidearm is pretty strong, no?

[high drum]

yep

[jagged pier]

yes

[void marten]

its consistent 2-3% damage

[dense ledge]

was just thinking about av and kinda want it there, ah fk it, just gonna drop sidearm and test it

[edgy spear]

im absolutely sure they made the CD of dragon strike or balakar khans lightning attack ~17 seconds just to piss off prot warriors

[high drum]

dragon strike at least gets delayed by his other crap

[void marten]

i mean in azure what do you use fear for?

[high drum]

like the 75/50/25 intermission

[brittle silo]

piercing shards

[wanton lance]

i assume piercing shards CC

[high drum]

but when you reflect 90% of the dragon strikes then the healer doesnt dispel the one you let through 🙈

[wanton lance]

not much else that hurts warrior there

[edgy spear]

Fear is omega good as a stop when mobs are stun DRd to hell

[void marten]

idk man you already have enough cc and defensives to cover them but i guess if you need another one

[high drum]

fear is great

better than shockwave sometimes because pug dps like to slam their aoe stuns oin pull

[void marten]

as long as you dont spam stuns you get like what, 3 interrupts per mob?

before using your defensives

[edgy spear]

4th stun is immune iirc

[edgy spear]

Cant remember how long the DR is. 15-20 seconds maybe

[dense ledge]

pretty good there

[wanton lance]

also destrolocks stun often via infernal proc, can DR stuff quickly

[dense ledge]

you probably don't need fear in a good group but I am pugging my way up to 20s

[void marten]

sorry im mdt illiterate which pack is this

first room?

[dense ledge]

ye

[cedar trench]

yes

[wanton lance]

ye

[dense ledge]

only doing that pull now to find out if my pug works or not lmao

[brittle silo]

that's actually genius

[dense ledge]

gotta test them early or you are in a ring and start suffering and sinking into your chair

[void marten]

in weeks that are not cancer, i pull 2 pack in nokhud to see if it works too

[cedar trench]

i find if you link a route with some spicy stuff in high pugs and they dont ask questions thats a red flag

[brittle silo]

u mean everything that's not a bolster?

[void marten]

its quite huge and chaotic if you dont position well, but if you manage those 2 packs its almost guarantee time

[dense ledge]

links fort bolstering mad tech 2 invis pots

[high drum]

bold of you to assume they can open ur link

[edgy spear]

Also really annoying in sanguine weeks

[brittle silo]

yup, w/o monk/dk archers gonna healup real quick

[cedar trench]

i like to link "13 wolfs you spin me right round baby right round" in hov and see if they realize

[void marten]

btw here's a question to you fellow protection enthusiasts, i still dont have court of stars trinket and my shield is 415. i'm also 417 item level. do i open the vault as arms in hopes of the trinket or do i open it as prot for a chance on 421 shield

i dont really need any extra defensives but my guild sucks and i love them

and we're doing mythic so maybe me being extra tanky can help, idk

i have 415 ruby which does decent damage i suppose

[dense ledge]

I'd open as arms to get a grieftorch or whetstone

[woeful trellis]

Im on the shield/sttwice side but I have a 415 whet with leech 🥰

[crude notch]

Well NA users, I hope you have a wonderful vault today. Heckin cuties

[ashen harness]

how does spellblock really work? Is it just a % chance to mitigate a % amount?

for dots for instance

[hardy snow]

if you havent already issues surviving boss fight, you will help them more by pumping more damage 😉

[ionic fern]

Same as Shield Block.

You have it up - you block spells.

[ashen harness]

so no effects on active dots

[ionic fern]

No.

[ashen harness]

sadge

[uneven ice]

It avoid the dots being applied?

[ashen harness]

probably just makes the first tick hit for less

[crude notch]

it wouldn't even avoid the dots being applied because that's not how block works anyways.

[strong forum]

No, it's not anti-magic shell

[jagged pier]

imagine if it was tho

[ashen harness]

tbh i'd love an ams

[strong forum]

Imagine just being a bdk that can ignore 80% of mechanics in a raid

[ashen harness]

we dont have the best spell mitigation 😛

[crude notch]

imagine having imagination

[lime urchin]

imagine all the people

[ashen harness]

living life in peace

[uneven ice]

Uuuuuu hu huuuu

[crude notch]

by staying off of discord

it's easy if you try

IMAGINE ALL THE PEOPLE

reading a hecking pin

uuuuuuuuuu hu huuuuuuuuu

[jagged pier]

reading

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu hu huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[ashen harness]

pins? :huh:

wait no emotes? :madge:

:reeee:

[jagged pier]

[crude notch]

🖍️ 😋

[jagged pier]

u need to learn them

[ionic fern]

We unironically got a ton.

[crude notch]

[ashen harness]

ye but only inhouse ones :madge:

[crude notch]

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Warriors are LOADED with defensives.

[crude notch]

[ashen harness]

if only we had defensive stance like back in the days..

[crude notch]

[ionic fern]

🙂

[deep sand]

hey guys…kinda offtopic question. About razageth heroic last phase. We’re debating why did the breath dot insta killed several players at 10:35. Ppl say its because our prot warrior didnt mitigate the frontal.

[crude notch]

psycho handwriting

[deep sand]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GqcnXJWphjH1Zagk#fight=15&view=replay

[ashen harness]

im new here, but this discord strikes me as a boomerfest tbh

[ionic fern]

Eh?

[jagged pier]

👴

[high drum]

no

at least from replay looks like

someone else got hit too

but let me check the actual logs i guess

[crude notch]

boomer is a state of mind and playing a 20 yo game instantly makes you a boomer sorry

[high drum]

yea @deep sand https://i.imgur.com/epWdtp9.png

[jagged pier]

think your evoker got hit by it

[high drum]

evoker got hit

so whole raid took unmitigated slap

[ashen harness]

evoker griefed it 😄

:kekw:

still no emotes :madge:

[ashen harness]

the blast does damage based on how much the target mitigates, so if a tank takes 2 blasts, its near 100% wipe. If a DPS takes 1 blast, its also near 100% wipe, cause they cant mitigate shit :kekw:

[rough egret]

[visual canyon]

Do i understand it right that Basically with 4 Set i dont have to press block anymore?

[high drum]

lmao

[ashen harness]

HUUUH

[ionic fern]

No, that's not correct at all.

[ashen harness]

4set just means you press revenge every once in a while

[ionic fern]

SB is still your main mitigation tool.

[rough egret]

That would be pog 😄

[ashen harness]

4set has nothing to do with block

[ionic fern]

The 4 set changes nothing, if you're playing the rotation correctly to begin with.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-25165862

[high drum]

i'd still press it for SS damage

[ashen harness]

you revenge more tho :thinkers:

[uneven ice]

[high drum]

no thats 2 set nalv

[visual canyon]

Ah sorry my Brain. I somehow missread 😄

I cinfused ignore Pain with Shieldblock My bad

[ashen harness]

ohh shit you're right, i confused 2 set for a moment :kekw:

you still spam ignore pain tho

4 set is just 5% of ur damage

so like, what... 2500hps?

on single target

[high drum]

i dont even wear it on st fights

[visual canyon]

That would be the recommended one from WoWHead? Did not know Tanks have kind of Rotation. Sorry did not tanked since Legion and not High there

[ashen harness]

rotation?

slam clap slam clap slam clap

revenge to keep up vanguard

[high drum]

just keep block up with sb & shield charge

[ionic fern]

I'm fairly sure it's up to date on on WoWHead, yes.

[visual canyon]

Ty

[uneven ice]

I was really happy yesterday with my awareness on SB. Really paying attention. Look at details: 75% uptime

Reading here 100% uptime is easy af

[visual canyon]

Revenge Keeps up vanguard, is this a thing i need to skill and where is it. Cant find it

[ashen harness]

2set

i think its called vanguard :thinkers:

[visual canyon]

AH okay

[ashen harness]

you apply a debuff that increase damage and decrease damage taken by 5%

that last i think 6 sec

so you revenge every 6 sec

[rough egret]

Its buff

[visual canyon]

Great to know

[ashen harness]

whatever..

buff, debuff, does the same

[wanton lance]

clap - slam - clap - revenge - clap - slam - etc

[ashen harness]

also an actual tip. Try to use demo and vanguard whenever you use your blasters.

So like Demo > Revenge > Shield charge > Thunderous Roar > spam shit to get a quick violent outburst, and slam

start with ravage if you use that too

[wanton lance]

also dont forget to press revenge before you use whetstone or when using shocking disclosure

etc

4% free dmg

[ashen harness]

right still havent got that stone

AN EMORE THAT WORKED? :poggers:

[wanton lance]

[amber siren]

[strong forum]

Avatar+ravager>demo>roar>sc> normal rotation

Is more dmg

[ashen harness]

sc?

shield charge ye

[strong forum]

Always demo shout after ravager and directly before roar

[ashen harness]

you forgot revenge at the start of that tho @strong forum

[strong forum]

No I didnt

[rough egret]

Vanguard is not prio

[whole vortex]

[ashen harness]

you vanguard before SC

[gloomy sphinx]

[strong forum]

No you don't

[ashen harness]

ofc you do

its 4000 free damage

[strong forum]

That's just a dmg loss at that point

[toxic mesa]

you vanguard when there is a natural spot for revenge in your rotation

[strong forum]

Cuz you're delaying your CDs

And running into danger of not using your CDs during booming voice

[hushed lintel]

hey warriors, how much of an uptime on average do you have on the broodkeeper ring if you are using the belt?

[ashen harness]

nah no shot, you open with ravage 2 sec before pull, leap on 1 second, then open with demo > revenge > SC & Roar & Trinkets

[strong forum]

Then you lose 2 whole globals of 20% buff on roar.

[ashen harness]

its 1 global for 5000 dmg

[strong forum]

That's not at all worth lol

[ashen harness]

and CS

SC*

[strong forum]

Roar lasts 10 seconds

Demo lasts 8

You're removing 2 of those 8 seconds of 20%dmg buff

Just to send revenge and SC before roar

That's inefficient as fuck

[ashen harness]

and you gain 4% on SC and Roar onhit

[analog sparrow]

Happy box day and good luck everyone

[strong forum]

Those 4% are not a dmg gain.

Over losing 2 sec 20% of the massive fucking uncapped dot of roar

[gloomy sphinx]

[strong forum]

You're delaying your CD usage

If you continue to do that you'll desync shit even more

[cerulean viper]

and the bleed damage upgrade all around

[strong forum]

Well that bleed upgrade runs perma

It's always active

[cerulean viper]

yus

[strong forum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sB4CMmtQLoEZrUVz7PMQTj

this is normal APL without your 4% vanguard buff shit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4p1tYvnP1x3x8Rjs8ABzZr

this is your suggestion

5min 5targets

[analog sparrow]

Anyone have a 19-20 NO log I can look over? My group was getting clapped on thunder trash and I'm just trying to figure out wtf was going wrong

We couldn't int every storm bolt and I'm not sure if we need to be able to or if the healer needs to be able to heal the ones we can't int

[strong forum]

Probably totem

If yiu ignore the totem it'll just slap your group hard

[analog sparrow]

I'll double check the video tonight on how fast the totem was going down, thanks

[ashen harness]

both of the sims you just linked use revenge before SC and roar

both openers are identical actually

[strong forum]

No they don't

The apl on the first one is the normal apl

The 2nd one is with revenge followed by SC after demo shout

[ashen harness]

https://www.raidbots.com/reports/4p1tYvnP1x3x8Rjs8ABzZr/output.txt what is this then

[strong forum]

That's the 2nd report.

Dingus

[ashen harness]

https://www.raidbots.com/reports/sB4CMmtQLoEZrUVz7PMQTj/output.txt

here is the other one

[strong forum]

first APL

2nd APL

[ashen harness]

what is this then, isnt this the case sequence in the opener?

[ashen harness]

looking at outputtxt

[sick sentinel]

COS you will not make me imprison you in my mind for all time

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/Yq90F0l.png

idk chief

[sick sentinel]

i hate that dungeon, but i will power through it

[strong forum]

its using demo > roar > SC

[ashen harness]

look at the raw outputs

[strong forum]

youre not looking at the sequence table

youre looking at the actions table sorted in alphabetical order

[ashen harness]

:pepega:

[sick sentinel]

that dont look much like gnolls and murlocs and questing bears and dungeons to me

[edgy spear]

no whetstone. unluck

[sick sentinel]

i don't think you understand the struggle i had with this dungeon

i spent like 5-10k gold beating my head against the wall on it

[quartz pond]

Bonus valor pog

[sick sentinel]

bro, i would be a valor million aire

if all that counted, did i think, like, 35 keys to completion this week goin for another one for IO

GIB MOUNT PLX

[edgy spear]

almost 2k. Just get in the right grindset

[sick sentinel]

i may be very stupid, yes, but not trying, this is is just false

[quartz pond]

Keep grinding

[limpid anchor]

Maybe you should then :c

Apparently that was a lie :(

[heady wedge]

it means than wowhead guide is outdated ?

[woeful trellis]

If u read correct 2. is before ur in meele range

And ravenger first is just a min/max

[lusty tiger]

Are servers down yet?

[heady wedge]

yeah but min/max is important and is the fun of wow gameplay

[blazing condor]

always rav first

[high drum]

dunno about outdated

just looks wrong

[strong forum]

Ye

[blazing condor]

having to spend a gcd on ravager is ass when you're in demo + avatar

[woeful trellis]

^

[heady wedge]

where should be used that last point to maximize damage ? I tried several configuration but it always feels odd to sim dungeon. Depend if low targets dungeon like HOV or high target dungeon like academy ?

[strong forum]

Remove bloodborne, remove bolster

Get punish + Impenetrable wall

[jagged pier]

^

[heady wedge]

I plan to go on mm+ with my 350 war tank with no xp on tank nor on war so I will not be confident about my capacity to survive without bolster ^^'

[strong forum]

You have heavy repercussions

Bolster does nothing for you except a 2min cd on last stand instead of 3min

[heady wedge]

I guess i can try the right way to see first if I struggle with my uptime

[lusty tiger]

Bolster does not actually bolster your tank confidence believe it or not

[crude notch]

Is there a bis list on what to spend trader's tender on so i can increase my dps because I look cool?

[fleet saffron]

Fashion is the true endgame

[heady stratus]

Guys, is there an addon to have more talents profiles?

[heady wedge]

notepad

[crude notch]

@ionic fern I expect a new bis list when you are next free thank you. #protection message

[heady stratus]

[quartz pond]

[heady wedge]

the only way I found to swap talents without having to re-bind every fucking thing every fucking times

export -> import -> change 1 talent, rename

[blazing condor]

wym profiles? we got the presets now lol

or maybe im missing something

[crude notch]

BTW loadouts has you covered.

There's my monthly answer in this discord. YW, I'll get my pay now, ty.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[blazing condor]

fat cat stormforged hogging all the skyhold millions

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-dont-care-plus-having-fun-playing-dont-care-having-fun-playing-rabbit-playing-gif-25410033

[shell mortar]

YEP

[blazing condor]

look at him go

[rich obsidian]

Isn't there a setting to have 'Shared Action Bars'?

[wintry nymph]

this - the having fun = yogi

[dense ledge]

ye there is

[heady wedge]

yeah but I don't like this. Because sometime, often, I want to put 2 different spell on the same bind because theses two spell from two build are used the same way

[high drum]

you can use [known:]

in a maco

macro

[heady wedge]

and it will show the one I have talented ? that's helpfull

[gloomy sphinx]

Yeah, make a talent based macro, should do the trick

[ionic fern]

What on earth is traders tender?

[gloomy sphinx]

That dumb trade post currency

[remote venture]

Does the SB buff stack if you use the two charges right away? I know you should wait to get have CD goibg

[ionic fern]

Trade post?

[ionic fern]

Yes. Up to 3x SB duration.

[rich obsidian]

Well then that sounds like a 'you' problem, then

[gloomy sphinx]

Trading post or whatever, the thing for cosmetics and mounts that’s coming out today methinks

[rich obsidian]

Surely just have standard base action bars and modify out from there appropriate to the altered talents

[heady wedge]

bc with my method, If i want to bind same flask or same pot, i have to do it manually everytime i use a specific build I haven't uploaded yet. Basically double excel sheet for the same file, wich is not good

[ionic fern]

Ee..okay.

[remote venture]

https://youtu.be/fOhJEqTBPPY trailer to summry ir

[ionic fern]

So..something useless.

[gloomy sphinx]

Exactly.

[ionic fern]

No need to elaborate further.

[gloomy sphinx]

It’s not content it doesn’t matter

[heady wedge]

kinda x). I also learnt late about this, and it ruined everything and so I just took the habit to select "my" general setting from a build that I export/import and not from the one the game decided

[shell mortar]

No troll this time. Can anyone explain why seeing red transforms to outburst from 6 stacks/~180 rage spent with 1 IP? Spaghett code?

[crude notch]

wow that's toxic

[rich obsidian]

Finally something to placate the Alexstrasza simps

[crude notch]

you can get this @ionic fern why wouldn't i

or be a pirate

[gloomy sphinx]

Wtb mage tower carry kthx

[crude notch]

@warm plinth hi qt

https://tenor.com/view/wait-that-thats-is-illegal-gif-18393263

[strong forum]

Yes

Also, if you use a free revenge at 7 stacks it counts towards it and grants outburst

[shell mortar]

But why yes?

[remote venture]

I read in the pins about IP+SS Macro, so it just replace the IP action button and I can conutnie playing as usall?

[strong forum]

Cuz spaghetti

[gloomy sphinx]

Shiiiiiit u right

[shell mortar]

Ok ty

[strong forum]

Yes

[remote venture]

Cool, I will add the macro then

[quartz pond]

Has to be prot? the arms one can be done in 2 tries if u just want the mog

[gloomy sphinx]

Oh shit poggers

[sick sentinel]

FU azure vault

i beat your ass too

[quartz pond]

Bonus valor

[gloomy sphinx]

Ez. Valor.

[strong forum]

Isnt prot tower easier than arms?

Maybe cuz im biased

[sick sentinel]

we all out here pushing for KSM

[crude notch]

prot tower has like 4x more hp than bear tower that's all i hear people squawking about

[strong forum]

Prot tower is lmao easy now

[crude notch]

now?

[strong forum]

Cuz it's not scaled to current talent tree

[whole vortex]

Are the tower fights the same as in legion? I only did fury back then

[quartz pond]

Ppl can zone out and get infernaled into death

[strong forum]

The tower is heavily outdated mechanically, you got 3 answers to everything now as pwar

[quartz pond]

For arms its pretty much a scripted dance.

[limpid anchor]

Arms was meh, dps check felt a bit tight

Tank should be easy

[strong forum]

Yes

Exactly the same fight

[limpid anchor]

But didn’t they take out the tower just to scale it according to the new trees ?

[crude notch]

easier than nome on a friday... well any night

[strong forum]

You know it

[strong forum]

Well maybe numbers wise

But mechanically they're the same, except that pwar now is 20x tankier

With 100% sb uptime, spell Block, indom, more mobility, 4 CCs

Impending victory

[remote venture]

Are Mage Tower only up during timewalking week with Legion? Or all the time?

[strong forum]

They should be permanent

[limpid anchor]

(Until they remove them)

[strong forum]

Well they only turned em off to rescale it for new xpac

And then just... Waited until legion timewalking

But given that it wasn't announced anywhere, we can only guess what the plans are with it

[jagged pier]

just boon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[quartz pond]

Tru but if you just want the mog arms is just mechanically easier.

[sick sentinel]

from here if i do any 15 (even over time i think) i get ksm?

2 lowest scores is 235 AV and 234 NO

[brittle silo]

doubt that 'any' will give you 14 score, but no/av/cos surely

[quartz pond]

Time a 15 tjs

[sick sentinel]

are we 90 minutes from reset?

[brittle silo]

pretty sure that no 14 will be enough

[quartz pond]

And that should do it

[sick sentinel]

i tihnk we will die horribly if i do 15 JS

[quartz pond]

It's easy trust

[sick sentinel]

right now you mean?

[mental scarab]

Spellblock and GG

[dense ledge]

you should try to get into a 16, will have better players than 15

usually smile

[quartz pond]

If u don't time it, the healer sucked

[sick sentinel]

am i just better to wait till rest, got a few points to eek out of cos on tyranical

[quartz pond]

Only u know

Do u want to play the game rn?

[sick sentinel]

this is monday reset in a few hours aint it?

really soon i think

i don't even want to think about 15JS at all without warlock cookies and like hunter or whatever to trap final boss trash

[dense ledge]

ptsd in one picture

[brittle silo]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

and u gucci

[dense ledge]

have temple on my list too for today

[marble cipher]

Just do a CoS?

[dense ledge]

need some score

[sick sentinel]

debating if i want to join into one more group this morning, before reset is what i mean

[wintry nymph]

do iit

[crude notch]

let the addiction take you bro

[sick sentinel]

just till i get ksm then i dont care lol

[uneven mason]

TFW I realized I never even got to run mymkey

Shit I didn't even check my vault this week

Fml

[craggy pilot]

Did temple 18 today, hunter goes offline after he dies 3 times...

We complete it anyway

Seems completely fucked that he gets loot even though he is offline

[brisk kestrel]

Good morning, I have a question about the Ruby Whelp shell trinket, I don't know how to train it, what is the best option for warrior tank?

[craggy pilot]

Crit haste or ST

All 3 work

[plush tendon]

The Ruby Whelp seems to be pretty poop in practice from my experience with it

[jolly granite]

😂

[craggy pilot]

The uptime is like 15% 🤔

And it's 2000+ crit/haste i believe

It does a lot of dmg in ST as well

[amber siren]

The PPM is bugged, which is why it's not great

[craggy pilot]

Hmm, bugged how?

Lower than it should be?

I have it on my shaman, and i kinda like it tbh

[jolly granite]

You need to be lucky with the procs

[amber siren]

Can swing wildly to either very low or higher than it should within a time frame, usually the shorter the fight the worse it'll be

[plush tendon]

yea, I went with the ST one

when it procs a couple of times on a pack, ooo babi big damage

but then, you can not see another one for like 3 minutes

and then you look at your overall like.... where the heck is flame spit shot thingy

and its right next to sidearm

[sick sentinel]

aint happening, tree boss deleted us

[plush tendon]

what wiped you on Tree bro?

[sick sentinel]

i didn't even look TBH

[plush tendon]

[crystal mauve]

My last key (NO) I got 3 procs TOTAL felt quite underwhelming lol

[amber siren]

Yeah definitely not great for M+ with the shorter fight times

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peI90wHosHM

yogi vs keystones

im the one gets hit

[crystal mauve]

It’s too bad, I wish it was great, it’s so « dragon flight » everyone could find what they need and everyone would be happy with a little dragon that comes and carry our asses to victory

[plush tendon]

I wish it were more like the Wrathion Trinket from Nyalotha; which was just a haste proc

but it gave you wings!

and at least worked

[sick sentinel]

we are like what, 1 to 2 1/3rds done s1 ksm yeah?

before cant get

[craggy pilot]

XD winners mentality

[oak echo]

On fort week at least I was still getting like 15% uptime throughout a key but if I started doing like 10s it would be very very low. So possible tyran it'll be worse because of packs dying faster

[sick sentinel]

at this point, im afraid to even know, and what is reality?

[crystal mauve]

Getting declined from a +18 at 2850+ IO was my reality yesterday lol

[amber siren]

Maybe? Unsure about uptime numbers in context of other buff trinkets but the bigger the key the more I would want something reliable

[uncut notch]

Lads is it just me or does AV feel like you’re doing the whole dungeon with a haste debuff

It feels so slow and like you’re running through treacle

[oak echo]

I felt that way until I started skipping frogs

[sick sentinel]

im really happy i decided to get on early this morning and not lay in dead? probably how i felt going to bed last night but meant bed

got a few extra points

[amber siren]

[plush tendon]

Ive started to like AV more

timer was still a bit tight.... but we timed a 21 last night and that was huge

thank god no more bolstering

[urban bane]

the first two bosses in AV own

[plush tendon]

first boss is kind of a joke

[sick sentinel]

i pretty much worked out the first boss entirely now

[plush tendon]

second boss probably the roughest for healers

[high drum]

u just gotta blast the stalks with the tank frontal

[plush tendon]

3rd boss has been neutered

[high drum]

hit at least 4 and its ez

[uncut notch]

The cap on trees you can break is super lame tho

[plush tendon]

and 4th can be a cuck

[sick sentinel]

not very confdient on AV boss 2

[high drum]

just dont worry about moving boss to add

too risky that ur pug dps will not notice the boss facing

[plush tendon]

well, he will always do his cleave right after summoning add

[sick sentinel]

not the line ball but the star balls is what getrs me

[plush tendon]

let add summon, take cleave, charge to add

I also recommend bringing boss to the front wall

cause he does have to walk to the center

so more uptime

[sick sentinel]

nah, i die to the balls

the spam balls

[solid granite]

Is Bloodmallet up to date? Getting some weird trinket 'choices' for max dps

[fallen oyster]

Hey guys, what do u recommend using

[plush tendon]

whetstone

and ruby

good combo

I am particular to one active and one passive

[fallen oyster]

Oh i have 408 Storm eaters Boon also forgot to put that

[plush tendon]

Id still do Whetstone and Ruby

unless you super comfortable with Storm Eater's Boon

then drop ruby for it

and do big dam dam

[fallen oyster]

i used to use Decoration of flame with whetstone

but ill check ur combo out

[plush tendon]

Decoration is kind of lame

compared to Whetstone

and Boon for on use

[fallen oyster]

Haha yeah slight survivability for m+

[plush tendon]

you can maybe make a case for it if you need a little health shield on pull

but like, when is that the case in all honesty

when you could be pumping with the other two

[solid granite]

even a mythic ruby feels incredibly garbage tbh

[plush tendon]

it does give attack power

it seems decent enough

and you dont have to think about it

still, hoping for a all-totem or icon this week in my box

[fallen oyster]

it just dropped for me and a DH was begging me for it

out of good hear i gave him

lol

heart*

[plush tendon]

the all totem?

[fallen oyster]

i regret it but yea

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/immediately-regret-this-decision-regret-oops-decision-bad-gif-3440559

[fallen oyster]

[plush tendon]

itll drop again

[fallen oyster]

Funny thing is it dropped and i traded him then he got Whispering Incarnate Icon

i told him u owe me loot buddy

he was like no way

[plush tendon]

this is why you dont give randos loot

[radiant pewter]

How is hunger of the pack

[plush tendon]

stat stick with crit

nothing really to complain about

but you can sim it to test it

[sick sentinel]

all the DF trinkets i have

[heady wedge]

Did you start training your dragon already ? If not you should asap

[plush tendon]

naw, dragon poop

hes got that All Totem and Storm Eaters

[sick sentinel]

this is not a valor trinket and low ilvl so i dunno if i should even bother

[heady wedge]

One should have a dragon ready for off spec or in case of huge ilevel on it I believe

Mine is 372 on my hunt, I don't use it but as soon as I can get one with good ilvel, I'll take it for raid since I don't have raid trinket. It's on my top5 best trinket mono.

Take 6 days to train it that's why I suggest to just start the training in case of

[plush tendon]

From my experience, the dragon seems to be a simbait

would need a mathy warrior dood to tell me otherwise

Other trinkets seem to do more and are more reliable

[heady wedge]

I can understand sim may not be super precise yet, but there is nothing to loose to have one ready 🙂