But im shit at math
#protection
deft mortar
jade trench
Shockwave lets you giga pull though.
Pull, Stun, leap, SW, Stun, leap
deft mortar
TR is 11% of my dmg done is CoS 21
fallen pulsar
^
jade trench
Gigapulling is max damage
deft mortar
In 540 seconds u cast TR 6 times with 90 sec CD and 9 times with 60 sec CD
full monolith
50% dmg incr
jade trench
GL doing 60k in ST
deft mortar
thats 3 more TRs in a span of 9 minutes
so yeah 50%
thx danooh
Damn
so 33% of 12% thats 4% of my dps is that talent
edgy bone
thank you
fallen pulsar
ticon pulling the first 120k overall on sbg soon
jade trench
Sorry I don't mean to ruin you +13 dreams
full monolith
Any1 got a decent dmg breakdown of 22+ key?
I feel like I am missing out on something … not happy with my dmg
fallen pulsar
post log
full monolith
Nah :/ will log next run
jade trench
fallen pulsar
Nah :/ will log next run
anything in particular that you felt was bad?
bold turret
Any1 got a decent dmg breakdown of 22+ key?
I feel like I am missing out on some...
You’re probably using revenge too little and wasting too much rage dumping IP without logs it hard to comment
full monolith
My 4p uptime … dumping too much rage into IP and using too less revenge - but only feelywise
full monolith
You’re probably using revenge too little and wasting too much rage dumping IP wi...
Ye thats my feeling haha
edgy bone
Any1 got a decent dmg breakdown of 22+ key?
I feel like I am missing out on some...
you need more damage?
full monolith
75-80 is max for me atm. Will defo post a log
full monolith
Ye I made a WA myself too. Its so annoying and hopping but still no 80+ uptime 😄
bold turret
If your not falling into the trap of trying to keep max IP uptime you’re probably doing fine and your dps being low might be that your not having bigger / clean pulls… it’s something else to consider
fallen pulsar
Vanugards detmerination? mine was 41%
revenge more, gets you 4% more damage
fallen pulsar
revenge more
edgy bone
ok
bold turret
Your not revenging enough my man!
fallen pulsar
ok dps harder
this is the way
fallen pulsar
I believe in you
deft mortar
Ur overall dmg is very dependent on group btw
tropic gorge
aa14
deft mortar
and wheter if its tyra week or fortified
bold turret
Also on big pulls it’s worth remembering you should alternate TC and revenge if you’ve talented into that talent (can’t think of it’s name)
deft mortar
If all your dps does 80k in single target fights
tropic gorge
392 ilvl
deft mortar
You will pull off 65-70k dps ez
if ur dps do 50k dps u will dramatically drop
Because the diff between our cleave and ST is vast
full monolith
My overall is lower that it is supposed to coz dps always fishing for my spell reflects!
fallen pulsar
Also on big pulls it’s worth remembering you should alternate TC and revenge if...
needs to be pretty big pulls, I think even on less than 8 targets you shield slam first prio, no?
like only becomes worth once you cross like 8 targets
deft mortar
i basically dont click shield slam on big pulls lol
Only if i am out of rage and TCis on cd
fallen pulsar
ah
bold turret
I’m assuming your using the priority correctly yes you should be SSing
I meant you don’t spam revenge
arctic marten
Wowhead lists the rotation priority as Shield Slam > Thunder Clap, but I heard Thunder Clap does more damage than Shield Slam against 5 or more targets, is that true?
bold turret
Think you still want to SS for rage regardless
bold turret
Anger management and shiz
sick sentinel
tried 14 cos, it didnt go anywhere lol
strong forum
More rage = more CDs = more DMG
tropic gorge
i dislike cos greatly.
sick sentinel
i made the error
deft mortar
I dont think this applies to the duration your ravager is up
full monolith
We do only fish for procs (that big SS/TC dmg incr) on ST, dont we?
I forgot that talent name
deft mortar
unless ur IP spammin hard
sick sentinel
i accidently over pulled
slim dove
More rage = more CDs = more DMG
buddy i need a shield to mog with this banger legion mage tower set
help me out
arctic marten
More rage = more CDs = more DMG
Shield Slam does a fixed amount of damage in any target count, while Thunder Clap scales with target count. Surely there would then be a number of enemies where Thunder Clap is simply better?
fallen pulsar
Wowhead lists the rotation priority as Shield Slam > Thunder Clap, but I heard T...
with unstoppable force, during avatar tclap does more damage as soon as 2 targets. but you should still be hitting SS for the rage
strong forum
5+ during avatar
7+ outside avatar
You can't ignore rage generation
It's not just raw dmg output
arctic marten
Is that 5 or more or just more than 5?
strong forum
5 or more
fallen pulsar
yeah, damage wise TCLap is better very fast, but tclap doesnt reset, SS does
and gets you a ton of rage
strong forum
buddy i need a shield to mog with this banger legion mage tower set
Uuuh you horde?
fallen pulsar
rage lets you do many other things
slim dove
Uuuh you horde?
alliance
fallen pulsar
including beeg damage
strong forum
For alliance I don't think a good shield exists
slim dove
fug
deft mortar
I have bad latency
slim dove
as arms im mogging artifact so it works perfect
strong forum
Would hate prio apply if average MS is 140 btw?
Only thing that should change with ping is your spell queue window
deft mortar
So idk if I utilize my haste good enough
strong forum
Not your stats
slim dove
whats the horde shield?
fallen pulsar
just spam shield slam while your GCD is rolling
slim dove
i might be swapping back to raid mythic with some friends, idk yet tho
slim dove
bfa s2 shield? aight
strong forum
S3
strong forum
That's.
fallen pulsar
#protection message @deft mortar
deft mortar
So I can sim for 450 more dmg
fallen pulsar
my latency isnt great so I can't react SS fast, spamming SS while my GCD is rolling catches a lot of resets instantly
I didnt realize warcraft log has parse percents for dungeons
pleasantly surprised all my dungeons have a 94+ 🙂
ah, I thought the best% column was for your best run
strong forum
Parse% is just how much higher your keylevel was
oak echo
and even the damage is always sus because such a small % of people log keys
logs will show you the entire dungeon time, not just combat time like details
strong forum
That's still not dmg done per keylevel
fallen pulsar
Guess I should actually start logging m+ if I want these numbers to not looks so sad
strong forum
Those parses are still just parse%
Those are mine righ
But it doesn't show the full picture still
fallen pulsar
individual runs show key% @strong forum
strong forum
The overall page counts current ranking at all times
It doesn't lock in anything
Steve has r1s cuz he is r1
mortal brook
It means at least a single key% had a 100 at some point so my frontpage shows 100
If it was in a 5, and i rolled that 5, and all my others are shit, frontpage shows 100
strong forum
Yeah and I've had 100 34/36 keys
But now none of mine show up
Doesn't work like that
fallen pulsar
nome you're doing 34s and 36s???
strong forum
fallen pulsar
ohhhh
strong forum
Liek look
54k dps in a +4 as tank
Is only a grew parse
Cuz the key itself
Is greyparse
mortal brook
Cuz i sorted my frontpage by key% not overall yep
strong forum
But on the actual leader board of +4 azure vaults I'm R1
Ye now you gotta click the 3 weapons on top
Then you see key% logs
flint needle
What set pieces we want to play pref ?
strong forum
All of them
mortal brook
It means nom has at least a single key% at 100 at some point so his frontpage shows 100
flint needle
i mean stat wise
strong forum
All 5 of them
deft mortar
it is my understanding that there might be a new set piece come the next raid
strong forum
Literally
flint needle
shoulders and pants give haste vers
deft mortar
Wonder if we could combine them over use 4 set of one
mortal brook
All but chest iirc, unless chest is also highest ilvl
strong forum
I don't see a world where you'd skip out on 1 of the pieces, you want a mix of all stats
flint needle
All 5 of them
Even hands with crit mastery ?
strong forum
Helmet and gloves gives you mastery = good
fallen pulsar
triple swords gives me this,
strong forum
Gloves and chest give you crit = good
tulip kelp
Those of you doing AV route where you get 100% before jumping down do you do the whelp/fury group with the tree is or is that too big?
strong forum
triple swords gives me this,
As Steve said, if you had R1 dmg log in 1 key, it'll show you that on front-page
Irrespective of key level
fallen pulsar
pug only/no group, and less time since getting 2500
strong forum
Sure, but if you did a +5 and have the R1 dmg log there, it'll show on front-page as 100
Even if you did a +20 where you grey parsed
You can check your individual dmg runs
And see where you got 100 on which keylevel
Front-page is yes
Ye
strong forum
Yes
lament zealot
Lariat was nerfed, is it still one of the better embelishments?
mortal brook
Yep
daring marlin
Embellishments are lame tbh
lament zealot
Wasn't aware. How does this effect us, if at all?
lament zealot
Embellishments are lame tbh
The boring stat ones are for sure
strong forum
It didn't affect anybody
deft mortar
man I love parrying / blocking boss mechanics
Fker does big move PARRY
lmao
and anything that isnt it
torpid fiber
which do we generally prefer for m+: bonemaws or hunger?
fallen pulsar
damn, these key%s really showing me that I'm doing pretty poorly in m+ compared to raid. Gonna start logging and seeing where I'm scuffing
strong forum
which do we generally prefer for m+: bonemaws or hunger?
I'd prefer hunger
tulip kelp
group spell reflect would be dope
fallen pulsar
o o f
daring marlin
It's over-powered beyond belief
bruh my buddy that plays pally is so salty about SR
She always says it needs to be nerfed. 🤣
Dungeon is hot garbage. They need to cut the bird packs that spawn and reduce the timer or something. That bug makes me rage.
this fookin' guy
oak echo
whats the bug with the birds? never actually had an issue in there other than the whole thing with the wind goal not being usable if you wipe
oh 😦
daring marlin
In my run the second big bird didn't spawn in the last pack.
oak echo
oh so like not all the birds are coming down correctly
daring marlin
We rezoned and it never spawned
daring marlin
Hunter even used track beast. No birds anywhere. Shit was whack.
oak echo
technically you can pull them onto the platform whenever you want if you have someone that can get out far enough
oh
wild
daring marlin
rofl
I look forward to the daily "adjustments" to season 2 dungeons.
Like Halls and Bracken.
steep quarry
I encountered a wild build in lfg 😅
primal sentinel
I encountered a wild build in lfg 😅
shhiiiiiiiiit
sick sentinel
the route for cos never changes right
besides stairs vs docks at start
what happened this time is pulled enforcer with mini boss
daring marlin
ezpz
mortal brook
besides stairs vs docks at start
You may pull things you might not otherwise if there's a buff you can grab in 2nd area
Like if the 10% crit is there you would grab that 2 pack
warm plinth
I encountered a wild build in lfg 😅
That is certainly a build.
obtuse night
brb
warm plinth
@mortal brook ❤️
steep quarry
I tried to give him some advice but it seems he doesn't speak english that much
warm plinth
It happens. At least you tried
mortal brook
It happens. At least you tried
slow spire
Shield charge is such a satisfying button to press, I can't imagine not having it tbh
fallen pulsar
is glacial fury more damage in m+ than vers phial?
undone verge
That is certainly a build.
Behold my creation. I call it 'St Raid build'
wait its not perfect
sick sentinel
it better at this point to just wait till tuesday and get some 12/13's?
undone verge
Oh god what
fixed it
sick sentinel
i cant sem to do AV, find cos tough
undone verge
ima do lfr with this build
primal sentinel
ima do lfr with this build
undone verge
Im gonna work on the best aoe build next
cinder nova
Does it matter what we're wedging into Lariat?
cold echo
Does Immovable Object good talent for this week ? Or the other one is better anyway
I never took it
warm plinth
Nope
cinder nova
I assume stat, then haste/crit gems
warm plinth
I prefer haste>crit gems because I'd rather have more static haste but any combination of haste/vers or haste/crit is just fine
Yeah you want a primalist in there somewhere
Though it doesn't need to be on lariat ofc
warm plinth
Does Immovable Object good talent for this week ? Or the other one is better any...
No, you should use Unstoppable Force most of the time
cinder nova
Should I avoid putting it in Lariat? I'd figure a crafted item that'll be recrafted at higher and higher would be ideal.
That way you're not replacing it as much.
warm plinth
There's some arguments to be made for certain dungeons due to boss mechanics but generally not required.
You can put it in lariat; that's where mine is. It makes sense to put it there since you won't replace it
tulip kelp
Is there a is mounted/dragon riding modifier I can put into macro? I'm trying to get rid of action bar 1
undone verge
No, you should use Unstoppable Force most of the time
kinda sad immovable object isnt taken, seemed really fun
maybe not 'fun' but I liked the idea of it
warm plinth
Is there a is mounted/dragon riding modifier I can put into macro? I'm trying to...
You can just use the [flying] conditional for the dragonriding spell.
e.g.
/cast [mounted]Surge Forward;Shield Slam or whatever
er
not flying
mounted
craggy pilot
does the last boss RLP keep doing Fire after Kyrakka is dead? 🤔
turbid shuttle
does the last boss RLP keep doing Fire after Kyrakka is dead? 🤔
no, but if someone stands on an existing fire puddle they will get the debuff and drop a new one
undone verge
terros time
damnit we wiped
craggy pilot
no, but if someone stands on an existing fire puddle they will get the debuff an...
ohhh thats why
so people misplaying 😄
undone verge
Why would you do such a thing
hidden ether
I swear ever route I take for COS ends up hell. I pull a smooth route too slow and I’ve percent, I try to skip literally any group in the first half and the DPS ass pulls and yells at me
undone verge
my CoS route is less of what packs to pull and more of a path I walk and figure out the % later
cause everything usually gets pulled
warm plinth
Pull all of this and you have no concerns of buttpulling except maybe the 3 mobs inside the building near the 2nd beacon
hidden ether
I do that and the fucking DPS are dying to frontal in every big pull
warm plinth
And maybe the sentry before the bridge but that's a non-issue anyway
hidden ether
Also how does that not go way over on %
warm plinth
I mean you don't have to do big pulls. Just pull those mobs. I just selected shit to show which things to pull
With the construct after first boss that's 60.5%
hidden ether
Then only enforcers?
warm plinth
You pull the first pack outside, the 2 pack next to it, both packs of imps
Other than that it's wherever enforcers/items happen to be
hidden ether
Hmm ok any tips on controlling the front pulls? I feel like I have to move every 2 seconds to dodge a frontal then the DPS start dying to them
warm plinth
So you're at 60.5, the "always" packs that I just mentioned are another 15.8%, putting you at 76.3 and then the last mob is 6.3 putting you at 82.6. The rest is enforcers which are 5.3 each
Even doing 3 enforcers puts you at 98.5 and you generally don't have to do 3 of them so you have room for item packs
hidden ether
The group I just ran with ass pulled 5 times died 22 times to frontal and then flamed me at the end
daring marlin
I have a marker on my head even and the melee still dance around me
Shit's hilarious
warm plinth
There's only 3 frontals in the entire dungeon. The only one that can be kinda dicey as a melee is the quelling strikes because you generally do harbor pull which has a lot of them. If they're still getting hit then fuck them
jade trench
Default UI should bring up a separate health bar for a focus target right?
Mine doesnt and I can't figure out what's suppressing it.
hidden ether
I try and aim at wall but once you have 2 on you dodge the first can’t control the second
warm plinth
For quelling strikes you want to go kind of in a circle with your melee in the middle
warm plinth
My top notch image
small circles = melee, star = tank, lines = quelling strikes
Remember you can always move back where older quelling strikes were too
Pad fun right
hidden ether
They wiped on imps, because I spell reflects and they charged in right before the cast went off. And neither DH stunned the group
warm plinth
If they were out of range before the cast started, it doesn't matter if they go in before the cast goes off
So they were already out of position if they got hit
hidden ether
They should either 1 know that or 2 int the cast themselfs
warm plinth
Honestly I don't even bother to try to SR it. It's not needed and just causes issues in pugs
hidden ether
Fair
sick sentinel
My top notch image
yogi mspaint
turbid shuttle
shadow slash. from the succubus-type demons in the 2nd boss area.
I really wish littlewigs had an entry for them in the custom options so I could add an audio alert
deep spruce
I really wish littlewigs had an entry for them in the custom options so I could ...
Got the spell reflect WA?
warm plinth
deep spruce
I dont use that one, doesn't seem to track dungeons for me
turbid shuttle
had it for a bit but didn't like it. too much clutter
just gonna make my own for a few targeted things. just haven't gotten around ot it
sick sentinel
are you running english client
cuz plater mod is weird with localization issue
forever stuck in cos
feral dune
how do i not die from adds on tree
daring marlin
Need a dispel
feral dune
rsham cant
daring marlin
My pally friend forgot cleanse when we went once 🙂
mighty valley
Yeah you need some combination of chained aoe cc, a dispel, good burst dps, or kiting
daring marlin
TBH sounds like an oof before the key began.
mighty valley
Ideally not the last one but you do what you gotta do
undone verge
can't guild is horde
there's your problem right there
feral dune
most of us are swapping back to alli when cross faction happens lol
turbid shuttle
just don't run AA without a poison cleanse
daring marlin
Pretty much
feral dune
yeah i kinda forgot about it honestly
turbid shuttle
I mean if you absolutely insist on not having a poison cleanse, and you're doing not-too-high fort, you can pick up bitter immunity for a single self-dispel
feral dune
not insisting on it just forgot lol
undone verge
I made another build I call, "m+"
feral dune
we picked up a druid
turbid shuttle
yeah for sure. wasn't trying to say you were, just like, if you happened to be then...
feral dune
yeh i gotcha
odd tree
I made another build I call, "m+"
Sometimes I miss intervene
undone verge
sometimes I do, then I remember the times I accidentally intervened the other tank and died on jailer
warm plinth
I made another build I call, "m+"
Too good, has shield charge. You can do better.
undone verge
but shield charge doesnt grant shield block or revenge, only gives you auto attack dmg and does more crit strike dmg
plus I wouldnt want to get extra shieldblock, rage, last stand, block chance or more demo shouts
I suppose I can drop one talent and take the challenging shout
warm plinth
And then drop shield charge and take the other ravager talent
undone verge
kinda feel like leveling a prot warrior without taking a single talent kinda like the dude who levels a panda through herbing and mining, or the guy who levels without killing anything
warm plinth
kinda feel like leveling a prot warrior without taking a single talent kinda lik...
This is my priest
winged turret
when I'm looking at melee hits taken and which of those were taken with shield block active, where exactly do I look on warcraftlogs?
am i looking at casts divided by hits or the tooltip that says "blocked/hit"?
mortal brook
source aura filters, click the shield block button
green is with it up, red without it up
should be just above your screenshot
warm plinth
am i looking at casts divided by hits or the tooltip that says "blocked/hit"?
Hover over the number in the hits colum next to melee and it'll tell your true % that were blocked.
mortal brook
but also wont account for like, hits you took to the back right
cuz you can have the buff up and then eat a silly hit
warm plinth
Oh I missed the thing where you wanted ones with block active
Reading is hard folks.
winged turret
so basically I took 71 hits without shield block?
mortal brook
ye
winged turret
but only because I mitigated 19 of the total 90 casts?
warm plinth
If you hover over the hits column with the aura filter it should tell you how many you blocked vs not blocked.
With it active
The hits number is times you were meleed where it actually connected (meaning not missed/dodged/parried).
winged turret
I'm specifically looking for how often I let shield block off and how much damage I took during those times
The number of hits doesn't really matter I guess, I'm more so trying to figure out when and why I let it fall off and how disastrous it was for my health
warm plinth
The number of hits doesn't really matter I guess, I'm more so trying to figure o...
Your best bet is probably to go to resources and zoom in on areas where you dropped to uncomfortable levels and see why you dropped that low. Because you can still block without shield block up so not having it up doesn't mean you didn't block
feral dune
we did it 😬
warm plinth
If you go to the events tab in resources, it'll show your health % along with damaging/healing events
And you can check and see if you missed blocks during those times
winged turret
I know, I feel like I'm just letting it drop too often, and also not using Ignore Pain as much as I should be. Warrior is much more mechanically intensive than Paladin which is what I've mained basically since I started playing
Maybe I should just give up and go Brew 
warm plinth
If you think warrior is mechanically intensive then I'm not sure brew is the right way to go. Brew is harder than warrior
winged turret
Oh shit is it really? Lmfao nevermind
pallid quiver
Yeah, Warrior is generally among the easiest tank specs atm
You just need to press a decent amount of buttons
warm plinth
If it would be helpful, you can send me a link to your log and I can go through it for you
cinder storm
SL warrior bursts through the door did anyone said 'mechanically intensive'
edgy bone
415 Decoration of Flame or 405 Blazebinders hoof for pure DPS as prot?
warm plinth
I would sim it
wooden widget
is honed reflexes big dam?
wooden widget
yeah
warm plinth
It's probably like net zero damage because you basically never have SS last the entire CD
sick sentinel
imagine thinking I could finally time a 22
warm plinth
I do not know what causes this bug but I have never ever seen it. There's gotta be something triggering it.
sick sentinel
its random as far as i can tell
warm plinth
Do you tend to trigger the birds before everyone is across the bridge?
mortal brook
im half convinced its rogues being in stealth
but i dont run with enough rogues to know
sand mason
I do not know what causes this bug but I have never ever seen it. There's gotta...
The only time it happened to me was when I killed the birds on the grass and not on the platform
It was also spiteful week
warm plinth
I main rogue and I've never seen the bug and I stealth before all the waves
sand mason
Went in again and killed on platform and it was fine - still had spiteful
mortal brook
okay ghash gets a pass
sick sentinel
Do you tend to trigger the birds before everyone is across the bridge?
the bug happens on the last pack
supposed to be 2 big birds coming down but only one came
and its always that last one from what ive seen
warm plinth
and you kill the birds on the platform?
sick sentinel
yea
warm plinth
Hm
strong forum
im half convinced its rogues being in stealth
We've had it happend to our 5tank back to back in 2 runs
And I doubt mandl was in catform and stealth
sick sentinel
dude at this point im convinced AA just fucking hates me
we were like 4 minutes ahead of my personal best timer
strong forum
My suspicion was spiteful fucking up it
warm plinth
idk but they need to fix that shit
sick sentinel
and then this shit :)))))))))))))
mortal brook
We've had it happend to our 5tank back to back in 2 runs
heck
mortal brook
can confirm my group has never gotten it
warm plinth
Rogues count as tanks ofc
proud dock
for this week AA, if we skip the first bridge pat on way to Vex, do we do the the middle pat in dragon area? or do we always skip middle pat?
i have a route adding up to 100.67, wondering if theres anything better
lone eagle
Oh shit is it really? Lmfao nevermind
yeah, Brew is pretty nutty in terms of importance of button presses atm and is both decently high APM and probably has the largest keybind requirement of just about any spec in the game atm
Recommendation if you want something less mechanically intensive than warr is probably bear, but depends on the content you're doing
tbh BDK kind of less mechanically intensive as well
Has some prio system optimization but the basic gameplay loop is largely on GCD and a vibe with the amount of resources they currently generate
warm plinth
for this week AA, if we skip the first bridge pat on way to Vex, do we do the th...
We do everything but this pack before dragon area and then we do the the 2+3 pull at the beginning of dragon area and then the 4 in front of the door and that gives us exact count:
sick sentinel
you have to know what you are doing as tank too or things dont work out
like how today went for me
it can be really tough positioning everything so its not cleaving your team
warm plinth
If you don't want to do that first pack on the way to Vex, you can do the 4 pack in my picture and skip that and be 1 force over
warm plinth
Is tricks a talent for rogues now?
Yes but it was something a lot of them bypassed before this patch because you had to give up damage or utility for it.
sick sentinel
im pretty sure if it were, that it would be in the rogue main tree near the top
warm plinth
I mean, outlaw has no burst so it's not as if our tricks is going to prevent the enh shaman from pulling off of you
tulip kelp
And just wanna turtle damage
Some rogue sprinted ahead and pulled mini before 2nd boss in COS and died right away
And didn't kidney or blind a single eye of the storm
Bizarre
Literally looking at details and zero CS or KS entire key
oak echo
i have never felt so useless while doing 60k dps. what on earth is enhance
sick sentinel
the big V pack dragon boss #1 in nokhud, always pull first and always lust?
like this week, might make one more hail mary attempt at io
summer eagle
I dont always lust it personally, on higher keys it might be necessary
oak echo
I always do it first and lust
warm plinth
I think it's a good idea to lust it on higher fort because the charges are pretty nasty
strong forum
the big V pack dragon boss #1 in nokhud, always pull first and always lust?
Pretty standard thing to do yes
You get Lust on CD early, fight a dangerous pack, and you won't need Lust on boss cuz it's literally irrelevant
reef holly
the big V pack dragon boss #1 in nokhud, always pull first and always lust?
From a suggestion from another member here: lust = pack always dies. Can confirm this works 
maiden panther
How do you guys setup the first pull in halls when you get all 3 packs ? No matter what I do some dps just rips aggro early on
reef holly
How do you guys setup the first pull in halls when you get all 3 packs ? No matt...
Tell dps to wait a sec
reef holly
How do you guys setup the first pull in halls when you get all 3 packs ? No matt...
Are you talking a rotation of spells to use? I always tell group to wait til I have them grouped up
Last two times I asked if the group wanted to do this, healer tells me: “this isn’t MDI let’s calm down” 😂
Probably should’ve left group at that point..
fallen pulsar
Idk, pugs fuck that pull up a lot tbh lol
sick sentinel
tried av 13, no idea how the hell it happened but fighting first ring trash BAM all the hall way spawns in on top of us.....
hot dew
for the ruby whelp trinket what attunement is rec?
sick sentinel
warlock "we gotta clear it now"..... nope..... leave....
vital oak
I mean, that sounds like a big pull for bolstering week, that dragon's gonna melt some faces.
reef holly
Yeah- healer has to be the one to agree to this or else i won’t do it
sick sentinel
not a chance
fallen pulsar
for the ruby whelp trinket what attunement is rec?
Single target/haste
hot dew
ty
maiden panther
Drake is fine I just wondered how people sequenced the pull
reef holly
Drake is fine I just wondered how people sequenced the pull
Shield charge + revenge 1st pack, leap then charge + thunderclap 2nd pack, charge + revenge x2 dragon pack, back pedal with shield wall, drop ravager then shockwave when one of casters starts casting
warm plinth
bam outta no where litteral teleports behind u shit
seems fine
sick sentinel
we were fine for about 10 seconds afterwords
blizzard you want to know why people aren't doing the content you have created THIS IS WHY
maiden panther
Shield charge + revenge 1st pack, leap then charge + thunderclap 2nd pack, charg...
Thanks I will try this
reef holly
Thanks I will try this
Don’t forget demo shout and thunderclap on cooldown. Never really had an issue, unless it just one mob then just taunt of course
maiden panther
Literally every shaman shocks the last pack before I’m here
Then I don’t know what to do they spread to shit
reef holly
Literally every shaman shocks the last pack before I’m here
Are they from ragnaros? Jk
I just tell dps to wait before we start
reef holly
If it’s just one pack I’d just charge one of them and thunderclap/revenge and then charge back
I usually do that when a pack is further away and I don’t have aggro, from a butt pull or something
civic torrent
OK to use outburst on TC in Avatar?
with UF?
been sending on SS like in SL
but not sure if its diff now
turbid shuttle
with high target count using outburst on TC is fine. in avatar, using it on TC is fine even on medium target count. not sure the exact number, but probably something like 7-8 out of avatar and 4-5 in avatar.
halcyon dust
ooo, got Whetstone!
warm plinth
OK to use outburst on TC in Avatar?
can use outburst on TC on 5+ targets
civic torrent
cheers
potent anvil
What's the icd of tough as nails? I assume there is one. 
warm plinth
it's 1 sec I believe
steel juniper
Can someone help me understand when its time to run Into the Fray vs Heavy Repercussions?
in a raid
warm plinth
Can someone help me understand when its time to run Into the Fray vs Heavy Repe...
You can run ItF whenever you want in raid unless you're tanking the boss the entire time.
steel juniper
Is there an increased risk of dropping shield block? I'm still relatively new to tanking
steel juniper
I dont understand why anyone would ever run Heavy Repercussions then
In this instance im talking Mythic Kurog
warm plinth
I dont understand why anyone would ever run Heavy Repercussions then
You run Heavy Repercussions when you are tanking something constantly because you can't have 100% uptime on Shield Block without Heavy Repercussions until very high haste levels (35+% before ItF). In most raid encounters, there are tank swaps that make it so you have a chance to recover Shield Block charges when you aren't being actively hit. That being said, it's possible that HR might still be a damage increase (especially on single target) in those scenarios because higher uptime on Shield Block means more uptime on 30% damage increase to Shield Slam. I don't know enough about the raid to know what the fights look like to make that call, however.
fallen pulsar
If you’re brood tank and cant get 100% shield block uptime with itf, then HR is very helpful
steel juniper
Ok that makes sense. I'm in the habbit of just always having shield block up whether im tanking or not. Like I said, still relatively new to tanking. So there is some increased risk of dropping shieldblock with ItF assuming I have that habbit.
warm plinth
I personally keep mine on prot until I have max shield and weapon
fallen pulsar
Ok that makes sense. I'm in the habbit of just always having shield block up wh...
I mean I think with bolster and itf you can get 100% uptime but then you need to use last stand for the shield block uptime. So depends on how useful it is to have 30% emergency heal. With enough haste your shield block charges come back fast enough to keep fullish uptime I think
warm plinth
Two biggest upgrades
warm plinth
I mean I think with bolster and itf you can get 100% uptime but then you need to...
Adding on to this, you're also losing damage somewhere to be able to take bolster, so that's a consideration too.
proud dock
oh tru 421 siungle hand weap, dont wanna roll 2h wiht dps
fallen pulsar
Yeah tough as nails or whatever the talent to the side of bolster is called is like 1k dps on my sims
And thats usually what gets dropped for bolster iirc
Can be wrong on that tho
warm plinth
yeah
steel juniper
Im just trying play as safe as possible while my comfort levels increase but I dont want to pick pointless talents either. Im getting whalloped in P2 Mythic Kurog and thats the biggest difference I see in my talents compared to the masses
fallen pulsar
You could also be a gigachad and drop indom to take bolster alongside tough as nails (but you will lose on a lot of passive sustain)
warm plinth
HR is fine to use anywhere and is the go-to talent in M+ anyway so less adjustment between the two types of content.
fallen pulsar
HR is fine to use anywhere and is the go-to talent in M+ anyway so less adjustme...
Thought hr was go to
I’m dumb
warm plinth
That's what I said 👀
fallen pulsar
Cant read
steel juniper
haha
warm plinth
:p
fallen pulsar
Literally blind
warm plinth
I still love you
fallen pulsar
❤️
steel juniper
If you guys were to drop a talent for Battle scarred Veteran, what would you choose? I know the talent is frowned upon but it seems useful while learning encounters.
fallen pulsar
Dunno what you normally run, but I would drop second shield charge sub talent. The one most bottom left
But bsv is really buggy
And can proc at like 70% hp
warm plinth
I wouldn't tbh. Just to put it bluntly. It doesn't work properly.
fallen pulsar
So it wont actually save you when you need it
steel juniper
fair enough
warm plinth
It's not a cheat death either, even though people call it that.
fallen pulsar
You can in fact, still die
median tulip
I've never run it, because nothing out there has put me to the point where it seems useful.
sick sentinel
i have never hated cos more than i do now
i cant stand that place with a million frontals and everyone dies to nothing
jade trench
There's a dungeon tools addon that makes noises every time there's a frontal to dodge. It's pretty much mandatory for me in CoS because the colours arent varied enough.
tulip kelp
The only frontal to dodge is Quelling Strike right?
sick sentinel
shockwave for 1
warm plinth
There's only 3 frontal in the entire dungeon
sick sentinel
some kindofcleave dunnowho
tulip kelp
I mean shockwave is so obvious and doens't really kill you unless you're pulling shit with it
jade trench
They're pretty constant though. who cares how many different kinds there are.
tulip kelp
Charges Smash also super obvious and you can just move out
turbid shuttle
yogo do you have littlewigs? if so, go in to the dungeon settings -> trash and set a custom sound for those 3 abilities
i use the bike horn personally
put a sound on every frontal in every dungeon that you want to dodge (i.e. hew in HoV etc.)
jade trench
^ super helpful you'll never have an issue again
turbid shuttle
and then learn to be aware of when you're in a pull with a mob with frontals, and point them at a wall
sick sentinel
one thing is at the big bridge on boss 1 id get that and 2 to right of it for lamp
and that trash always killed someoneevery key i ran today
turbid shuttle
are you turning the mobs?
like if you pick a direction and face them, people will adjust
but if you're just flustered and turning everywhere, the melee will have a hard time playing around you
jade trench
Does anyone have experience with Titanic Throw? Does it pull undesired mobs?
turbid shuttle
also don't get to the pack on the right after bridge by 1st boss imo. there's way better places to get count
turbid shuttle
Does anyone have experience with Titanic Throw? Does it pull undesired mobs?
generally no. I can count on 1 hand the # of times I've pulled a mob by accident, and I've had it all of DF and have run 100 keys probably
jade trench
also don't get to the pack on the right after bridge by 1st boss imo. there's wa...
Yea like turn left after the first bridge and do all the packs there in 1 pull. easy %
scarlet musk
Right now I am running Deco/all totem but not sure if I should switch it up
turbid shuttle
Yea like turn left after the first bridge and do all the packs there in 1 pull. ...
docks with lust is very common. I also like the mana worms with the mechanical horse (can't remember name rn) after 1st bridge, and then guardian + mana worms with same mechanical after 1st boss
jade trench
I like the idea of doing more with the guardian but what are you skipping later?
turbid shuttle
everything that I can in 2nd boss area
I never never never pull the mechanical 3 pack
either on the bridge or that pats by 2nd boss. you can just run behind 2nd boss if you need to get around between sides
jade trench
Yea Im not doing the bridge pat or the boss pat either
turbid shuttle
yeah then just minimum required stuff in 2nd boss area
only what gets you a clickable
and then if I need something to get to 94 count I grab it
tulip kelp
It can get tight tho
With the pats, etc.. have had so many groups butt pull
If you're skipping a lot
turbid shuttle
the patting 2 pack succubus always gets got, because 2 of the summon miniboss clickables are over there
and then imps always get got
jade trench
Yea I guess i'd rather not think about the clickables, clear al of that except the bridge pat and boss pat. You can also easily kill the guardian after the first boss while running the whole time.
turbid shuttle
also never clear the house by 2nd beacon (before 1st boss)
jade trench
You go left around?
tulip kelp
With the mana sabers?
tulip kelp
Yeah GL.. thats like 80% chance to get pulled by group heh
turbid shuttle
I put a skull ground marker
tulip kelp
I just started pulling cause I'd rather pull it when ready to stagger the jump then have someone pull it at a bad time lol
turbid shuttle
those sabres are brutal
tulip kelp
Yeah that's why I'd rather pull to desync the leap
turbid shuttle
I would always skip them in any scenario I could
I'm telling you it's super easy to skip
the pack by the beacon you pull back to where the mechanical is
then you just walk
jade trench
yea fair, even if it is though you have to stand and kill the guardion after the first boss with extra mobs when you could just be killing it on the move. It's not really a gain.
turbid shuttle
you pull an extra 15% count in to it to make it efficient
and you still barely need to stop
it's free
tulip kelp
Then you gotta make sure you got someone alternating kicks lol
Otherwise charging station goes off
turbid shuttle
there's only 1 kick?
tulip kelp
You can't get all charging station solo
turbid shuttle
I think you're confusing what I'm pulling in to it
tulip kelp
Ahh
jade trench
There's nothing wrong with anything you're saying, people just dont like change haha.
turbid shuttle
you need 3 kicks on mechanical. 2 if you have a shammy/udk
but there's 2 other pulls with mechanicals. if you can't kick them you're already in trouble
tulip kelp
He said Guardian..which is the dude with the charging station
turbid shuttle
yeah that's what I meant. I just forgot the name of the guardian
jade trench
I never see boomies. They make kicks trivial with that solar beam shit.
turbid shuttle
I'm talking about doing this
turbid shuttle
you can also just do skip if you're not killing that at all
tulip kelp
Thats the guardian I'm talking about lol
turbid shuttle
but if you're going to kill it, at least make it not shit
cloud umbra
we like to pull the top half of that into the boss and skip the guardian. Its not bad at all
jade trench
Pap explains why he does it, it makes sense in his route. It's just odd.
turbid shuttle
maybe in 24 you can't do it. I've done it up to 21 easily
tulip kelp
Yeah I'd much rather pull that pack into boss
turbid shuttle
I don't see what would make it harder in a higher key, since the mobs are free
jade trench
% is so free in CoS idk why we're even discussing it
turbid shuttle
I'd rather do mana worms than a 2 pack by 2nd boss that's all
cloud umbra
most of the time you can chain the 2 pack into an enforcer or the mini boss when they are low.. if efficiency is what you are aiming at
turbid shuttle
this is the way I generally do everything up to/immediately after 1st boss. some stuff gets chained (like the patting sentry in the 1st pack)
I chain 2 packs in to enforcers also whenever it's convenient
warm plinth
Why do you pull the pack on the left of the stairs going to 2nd boss? Easy to go over count doing that
turbid shuttle
this is what we were just talking about. because it's free. I never go over count. dunno
jade trench
Its such an easy pack, good % and lets you skip some stuff.
turbid shuttle
once I get to 2nd boss area, I just do minimum packs to get the buffs, and then whatever else is required to get to 94
warm plinth
Yes, that's a very good lust pack. Gets lust on CD, don't need lust for 1st boss
turbid shuttle
also for TJS, I think lust 2nd boss > lust 1st boss, but if you lust 1st you prob won't have it for 2nd, so lusting trash before 1st boss (even on tyran) is a good play
jade trench
I usually just pull the left 2 packs of 1 down the stairs and lust there. They're just far away.
warm plinth
Yeah, I think we usually do 1st pull, 2nd boss, 3rd boss at 70%
turbid shuttle
yeah I think that's the play in all weeks
cloud umbra
i dont think the 3rd boss is worth it at all.. pack before last boss on fort imo
turbid shuttle
even on fort, I think I'd rather lust 3rd boss p2 than last trash pull
warm plinth
I mean it's your call. I'd prefer lusting 3rd boss
cloud umbra
true. we have so many buttons for jade serpent kick. quad tank busters every 12 seconds now as much haha
warm plinth
idk dark claw is fully avoidable with stops and a bit of kiting, not to mention spell reflect
jade trench
The pack before the las boss in TJS you're usually kiting anyway. Once you get that down its not so bad. Listing on a kited pull is pretty hard to keep aggro.
cloud umbra
with spell block/walls up you can outlive lust
turbid shuttle
last pack TJS is super punishing if you don't counterplay correctly, but once you do it gets much more manageable. it's not really a numbers thing
whereas 3rd boss TJS is a pure "can I phase this boss before I run out of buttons to press"
scarlet musk
Is deco and all totems best for m+ here?
jade trench
Poeple are just going to tell you to sim it every time man
But probably yea
Ruby is aids in M+
finite scarab
Is deco and all totems best for m+ here?
depends if dps have icon
scarlet musk
Sim had icon and ruby but wasn’t sure to trust it for tanks. I’m not a prot main
finite scarab
if dps have icon dec/icon if not dec/all totem
scarlet musk
Ty
jade trench
You probably simed single target if ruby came out top. Only use it for raid over all totem.
warm plinth
Sim had icon and ruby but wasn’t sure to trust it for tanks. I’m not a prot main
Make sure you're setting icon properly; there's a drop down for it. It's just a vers stat stick if no one else has it.
restive crown
do i need spell block to do +19/+20 TJS on tyrannical?
sick sentinel
its gonna make youre life easier
toxic mesa
do you need it? no.
is it useful? yes.
restive crown
haha alright!
toxic pewter
I love spell block and highly recommend it
sick sentinel
maybe dont take it in HOV
other than that pretty much everywhere else
oh also cos
turbid shuttle
I wouldn't say everywhere, but definitely tjs, definitely rlp. I like it in nokhud for fortified because the lightning area can be brutal. that's about it.
restive crown
what do i remove for it?
and i am a returning player, and i dont know where i can improve further, is it possible to link logs here so someone can help kindly check for me?
tame jasper
I know two timings. First Pull on Water-Wing + 2nd Boss + 3rd Boss or last pack before final boss, esp. on Forti. On Tyra some do the WL skip and start with the Double-Boss to get an earyl Lust timing there
tame jasper
do i need spell block to do +19/+20 TJS on tyrannical?
u want it on every TJS
tame jasper
maybe dont take it in HOV
even there its good as CD for 2nd boss. Only instance I dont use it is AA, as you have SR for every screech anyway and I like the nails esp in the lasher area
turbid shuttle
what do i remove for it?
you swap tough as nails for it, since it's a choice node
toxic pewter
What you guys planning to buy from trading post thing in couple days?
I think I’m def gonna get that flail
turbid shuttle
OG thunderfury for life
warm plinth
good job qtpie
craggy anchor
hey guys how do you like to trains your ruby whelp shell
sick sentinel
its not that good get soemthing else
uneven ice
Hi! I think i have some kind of mess in my stats. 4% versa is wrong, right?
Should i change my gems to versa haste, and change the shield to versa haste instead of versa crit?
Now i'm running with full haste gems
ionic fern
Hi! I think i have some kind of mess in my stats. 4% versa is wrong, right?
There is no mess in your stats.
You don't need Vers.
🙂
tame jasper
Hi! I think i have some kind of mess in my stats. 4% versa is wrong, right?
If you follow the stats prio all is fine. In high keys (20+) putting more weight on versa instead of crit might be okay, but even that is not absolutely necessary
warm plinth
All stats are good stats 
tame jasper
When you write a long explanation and then mighty Mwahi ansers in short -_- 😄
warm plinth
We like haste more than the other secondaries but as long as you're getting more stats, you're good.
uneven ice
Is this bad stat distribution?
warm plinth
There is no good or bad stat distribution
You can tank any level of content with any stats
uneven ice
I mean, as i can choose gems and stats on shield, i don't know if i'm going too nuts into haste crit
tame jasper
ilvl (for primary stat) > haste > crit >=vers > mastery and you are fine
odd nimbus
im concerned with haste,does it worth to sacrifice some ilvl for more haste?
uneven ice
Ok, so going full haste gems and crit haste on crafted is good
warm plinth
No, we don't sacrifice ilevel for stats. More stats > "better" stats
uneven ice
I was worried looking at rio for M+ tanks and all running about 14% versa
warm plinth
Yeah a lot of people fall into the vers stacking trap
uneven ice
Also, i have another prot warrior friend, who is going 14% versa, and our healer says he's easier to heal
(might be that he presses more buttons than i do, ngl)
tame jasper
Yeah a lot of people fall into the vers stacking trap
I would call it: A lot of people fall into the "I look at the top ten and they skipp/wear X"-trap
uneven ice
14% vers isn’t achieving what 13% is already doing
Yeah, but from my 4% to 13% theres a gap
ionic fern
And there's also a gap from 4% haste to 13% haste and 4% crit to 13% crit.
tame jasper
(might be that he presses more buttons than i do, ngl)
and other key level, other DD, other CC etc etc etc
ionic fern
In order to go that distance they are choosing to sacrifice some other stat.
What's your point?
warm plinth
Also, i have another prot warrior friend, who is going 14% versa, and our healer...
I will guarantee you that it's a difference in gameplay, not a difference in stats.
restive crown
how do i check if i am using enough or too many IPs? and if i am using SB enough?
ionic fern
Logs.
uneven ice
My point is: 4% versa may end on being squishy?
ionic fern
My point is: 4% versa may end on being squishy?
No.
warm plinth
It will not
uneven ice
Or is not that impactful
warm plinth
YOu will die a billion times to gameplay errors before you die once because you didn't have x% stat
uneven ice
YOu will die a billion times to gameplay errors before you die once because you ...
Gotcha
urban portal
It’s around 5% dr
uneven ice
I'm running 22+ keys with ~3% versa.
Ok, i'm sold then xd
restive crown
logs from last 2 nights, can someone guide what is a good value?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WzmMG1CR3PjTAV9k
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n78qzbHdLrG6J2yg
urban portal
That’s like 1/3rd of a key level
restive crown
amount of IPs for eg
atomic stirrup
Does anyone know if battle-scarred vet is still bugged and not working properly
uneven ice
Have to say, guys. This discord is awesome. I'm in other classes discords, and not even close on the amount of useful information, insight and quickness
ionic fern
logs from last 2 nights, can someone guide what is a good value?
https://www.war...
Your SB is fine, 90% effective is OK.
uneven ice
Much love
warm plinth
logs from last 2 nights, can someone guide what is a good value?
https://www.war...
For starters, I want to say I appreciate that you are not running Barbaric Training.
restive crown
thank you for the inputs, anything i can do to improve?
restive crown
You are wasting a lot of Rage
so more IPs?
tame jasper
press more buttons 😄
warm plinth
Oh lawd, that's a lot of wasted rage
Especially during cooldowns, you need to press IP a LOT to prevent overcapping rage.
ionic fern
It's either more IP OR..looking at your overall which is very low, use Revenge more.
fringe cloud
hey, are you still able to block and parry while channeling grieftorch?
odd nimbus
what is his overall?
warm plinth
hey, are you still able to block and parry while channeling grieftorch?
No sir
ionic fern
what is his overall?
~34k
odd nimbus
19-20 key lvl 40k-50k overall is it good?
warm plinth
Yeah just to put that in perspective, I do 35k overall and I'm like 386 or 387
odd nimbus
very insecure about it
restive crown
so i should go arms stance also for fortified trash? and revenge more ya
ionic fern
so more IPs?
Comparing to my own logs of a similar time, it does seem like your IP usage is lower than mine, je.
restive crown
Comparing to my own logs of a similar time, it does seem like your IP usage is l...
ok!
warm plinth
You're not using CDs enough either. Shield Charge should line up with every Demo Shout. TR and Ravager should line up for every other Demo Shout. Which means that you should aim for equal casts of Shield Charge and Demo Shout and about half as many TR/Ravager as Demo Shout casts. Remember you want to have Demo active when you use your CDs (other than Avatar) because you get a 20% damage boost from it.
ionic fern
19-20 key lvl 40k-50k overall is it good?
It's more or less fine jeah - depends on the dungeon. 50k+ should be something to aim for.
AA for example on a +20 is a solid 80k+ DPS dungeon.
warm plinth
We operate on a big feedback loop. The more you use your CDs, the more rage you generate, the more you have Avatar, the more damage you deal.
odd nimbus
It's more or less fine jeah - depends on the dungeon. 50k+ should be something t...
working on it
warm plinth
Forever
warm plinth
so i should go arms stance also for fortified trash? and revenge more ya
You shouldn't really need defensive stance much. Certain fights/tankbusters are good to use it on but you should be in Battle Stance most of the time.
Crawth is a good boss to have defensive up the whole time because there are only brief periods where you don't have the bleed on you
3rd boss of TJS and 2nd boss of RLP as well
Though you have a bit more freedom on stance dancing on those ones
restive crown
ahhh
odd nimbus
You're not using CDs enough either. Shield Charge should line up with every Dem...
what is TR?sry i cant remember
restive crown
You're not using CDs enough either. Shield Charge should line up with every Dem...
you mean my offensive CDs or defensive CDs?
warm plinth
what is TR?sry i cant remember
Thunderous Roar
odd nimbus
oww yy
warm plinth
you mean my offensive CDs or defensive CDs?
Offensive.
restive crown
Offensive.
hmmm i thought i have been using them off cd tbh, but looks like maybe not
warm plinth
Like look at this NO log:
You have 45 shield charge casts but only 38 Demo Shout casts
Which means 7 of those shield charges were 20% lower than they could've been
restive crown
i dont have the demo shout talented though, does it still affect?
warm plinth
(not to mention the other damage that would've been increased by those Demo Shouts)
lone eagle
Have to say, guys. This discord is awesome. I'm in other classes discords, and n...
pwar and brew ones are probably the best atm
warm plinth
Oh I missed that...yeah you need to get rid of BSV
lone eagle
brew one is always good, the other good disc kind of bounces around with whats meta but pwar disc is never just straight bad
warm plinth
BSV is bugged and isn't worth using
restive crown
BSV is bugged and isn't worth using
ok noted and thanks
ionic fern
You have 45 shield charge casts but only 38 Demo Shout casts
Not all DS and SC sync up..it's 1m vs 45s
warm plinth
🤔 They are both 45 seconds unless I'm missing something?
ionic fern
Nanaa, i'm just dumb.
sick sentinel
2.9k dps btw
next patio
wat phial r we using for M+?? glacial fury?
ionic fern
Yes.
uneven ice
Is eye of the storm also good?
ionic fern
Yes, but Glacial will more than likely provide more.
uneven ice
👌🏼
hollow bolt
Yo this is fire xdee!
sick sentinel
this mans been recording and analyzing every single bricked key since SL season 1
hollow bolt
Oh i think i remember a video about this!
hearty terrace
Hey besr emblishment to go with Neck? 🙂 mainly playing Mplus 🙂
solar shadow
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NhQptIA8JuyHueQN2sVPwsrvfB3yX0RRzD9vPMif...
The secret is that he has never timed a key
Only bricks
late spruce
So for spellblock talent, does it interact with shield block or it blocks without shield block being up?
pallid quiver
So for spellblock talent, does it interact with shield block or it blocks withou...
Spell Block just enables you to also block spells
So it's guaranteed chance with Shield Block up
chance to block without up
late spruce
Thanks
woeful trellis
lyric bobcat
Hey guys, any advice on the last trashpack in jade This week, i just depleted an 20 and Got slapped around by that pack - everthing else in the dungeon is a cakewalk
warm plinth
spell reflect on CD, rotate defensives, run like a bitch when you're out of defensives/stops
lone eagle
also take spellblock in that dungeon
lyric bobcat
Didnt even Think of that, yeah good idea
prisma crane
Spell block trivializes that pull for 20 sec
lyric bobcat
Gotta try that, it felt so rough
south zealot
Hey guys, any advice on the last trashpack in jade This week, i just depleted an...
you can run out of range of dark claw
the haunting sha should die forst
brittle silo
Hey guys, any advice on the last trashpack in jade This week, i just depleted an...
I go into this pack with double wall, spell block and roll in reflects inbetween on dark claw casts. Helps a lot your dps to nuke that pack much faster if you can stay there for a couple of seconds. But yea, once u have nothing to eat that claw I dont even think about interrupting hjhaunties ^^
lyric bobcat
I go into this pack with double wall, spell block and roll in reflects inbetween...
Good advice tnx!
Tried aoe taunt and run/kite, but lost aggro too Quick
Gonna do some talent chance for next time now
brittle silo
The goal for me was to be able to facetank that up to 1st sha summon so I get this pack on me so again, team can dps them down w/o getting smacked down
jolly granite
Did it on a 20 yesterday and can confirm what the other guys said. But in my opinion it‘s not on you it is on the dps. Go in get good threat on them and when cd‘s are gone you 🏃♀️.
By the time I ran first sha fell over and pack was chill because they were pumping.
Still confused that the untimed 21 gave more score than this timed 20…
woeful trellis
spell reflect on CD, rotate defensives, run like a bitch when you're out of defe...
SR on cd? I start with SW -> schockwave to sinc the claws -> SR -> DS + SC that fear cast -> Spellblock > fear for sync claw again -> SR and then I kite most of the time u don’t need to kite cause they are dead
dapper vapor
Whats the vibe check on swapping from HR to ITF? Some kinda minimum haste needed to make it work or do you just accept the lost block uptime for damage
woeful trellis
Whats the vibe check on swapping from HR to ITF? Some kinda minimum haste needed...
I swap in tyr/ff weeks 😅 I don’t mind a 1 sec gap in tyr week when I fail
jagged pier
Whats the vibe check on swapping from HR to ITF? Some kinda minimum haste needed...
its marginal damage increase
stick with HR
cinder storm
SR on cd? I start with SW -> schockwave to sinc the claws -> SR -> DS + SC that ...
You can start with ravager + SC, shockwave, spell reflect dark claws, spellblock, then use SW
You are losing mitigation if you start with SW then shockwave
woeful trellis
I learned that pugs don’t kick so I safe the sc for the interrupt. But yeah I do the normal start with avatar ravager. But true I could wait with sw after the SR / Spellb
jolly granite
Also if you can use SW as late as possible because it’s duration is very short.
bleak skiff
Hello just a question, what uptime prot warrior should had at the end of the dungeon on his ignore pain ?
I mostly have like 60-65%, but Im not sure If I shouldnt have more, I guess is up to if Im dying and doesnt need to spend it on shields
amber siren
IP uptime isn't really a super important metric but like 90~%?
Also that's healing done not uptime
In that ss
vital oak
also, depends on if you have 4 piece.
amber siren
Oh yeah true tier makes a difference
bleak skiff
I got 4 piece
Its just now on forti in 20 I started realising if I shouldnt spam more ignore pain
amber siren
It's not something you're really aiming for in terms of a number, just as long as you're not rage capping then you're good
vital oak
spell reflect and spell block are you friends.
bleak skiff
Yea, Im using them pretty much 😄
uneven ice
You can start with ravager + SC, shockwave, spell reflect dark claws, spellblock...
SC?
drifting needle
Shield Charge
uneven ice
thanks!
hardy snow
haste+anything
jolly granite
Crit helps your parry and Vers helps your heal+ dmg
I started with haste Vers and since some time I shift a little bit more to crit
craggy kelp
ye i think ill go haste+ versta for now
jolly granite
Just a little think
The proc from lariat takes the second stat from the gems
Haste+ Vers = it procs Vers
Vers+ haste= procs haste
kindred prairie
which trinket is better to use: decoration or incarnate icon? Icon is A+ tier according to wowhead guide, but it sims so low for me, even if I select that someone else has it in the group
amber siren
you'd be using icon in raid, then whatever (probably not icon) in m+
craggy kelp
ok@jolly granite
jolly granite
Icon is strong in every content
kindred prairie
does it proc more often if more people have icon?
jolly granite
Most tanks and play it + an on use trinket
amber siren
You're using it to buff yourself and other icons, yeah
in M+ you're not really getting that benefit or benefiting others unless you're all running icon
Something you can sim for
jolly granite
does it proc more often if more people have icon?
No, it procs and has a chance to steal the buff from other players buff
kindred prairie
I mean, if in 1 scenario there is only 1 dps that can provide crit buff, and in other scenario there are 10 dps that can provide crit buff - does that buff proc more in the 2nd scenario or no?
warm plinth
Icon is very meh unless others have it.
Therefore in keys it sees a lot less value than in raid.
It's literally just a vers stat stick if no one else has it. Nothing special.
kindred prairie
yeah i was simming it for m+ and it just sims low even with all buffs available. Forgot that I also buff others by using it tho
warm plinth
Yeah it's very much a group increase more than a personal increase.
kindred prairie
btw, any idea if eranog ring is still "very rare" when rolling vault loot?
kindred prairie
im not sure if I should try to target it by speccing into dps spec when opening vault, as it reduces the pool by 2 items (just from eranog and council mythic)
rough egret
Yes that will increase chance by a bit
You should anyway open wault as fury/arms
For dps trinkets
hardy snow
unless you aim for 421 shield from M+ vault
rough egret
^
rough egret
Do you have 418? Crafted?
kindred prairie
got hc grieftorch with leech and mythic decoration
rough egret
Cool
kindred prairie
whetstone would be nice to replace decoration with in m+ maybe
but its such a small chance to get it from vault imo
kindred prairie
how is granyth's enduring scale btw? cant really sim it as it needs u to take damage
but it also does some damage
rough egret
Its meh
Not a dps trinket 🙂
Absorb is overall small value
Dmg aswell
Also its rng so decoration is better
eager phoenix
cant control the proc timing makes it bad. i would aim for all-totem + whetstone for keys
rough egret
Cus you can plan it
kindred prairie
it procs quite often tho, no?
cinder storm
Scale has a low ppm
Cobalt ring has twice the ppm, if you use both, cobalt would mitigate more
eager phoenix
decoration is not impressive, small absorb shield not much better than using IP
kindred prairie
ah, yeah i was sort of comparing it to cobalt ring. that ring procs like hell
woeful trellis
I Hope for a totem drop next week 🥺 I rly wanna test it in M+
Running whetstone/ bigtoe
kindred prairie
im hoping to get eranog ring anytime soon. should synergise very well with grieftorch + decoration
rough egret
Maybe from DF dungeon event ill get some of that raid juice 🙂
rough egret
im hoping to get eranog ring anytime soon. should synergise very well with grief...
Better craft the Ff belt
kindred prairie
I have the belt too yeah
cinder storm
I hope they don't add a second life trinkets next expansion, those really suck
Or next season
hardy snow
decoration is not impressive, small absorb shield not much better than using IP
its not for overall absorb amount, more like just a panic button, not strong, but still something, and for me right now its also STR item, cause i was pretty unlucky with trinkets so far XD
warm plinth
It's a damage trinket. You use it on cooldown
The absorb is like one IP, it's not a defensive trinket
kindred prairie
more like 3-4 IPs, no? it gives 80k absorb twice, which scales with amount of enemies aswell
jagged pier
it also loosing value the moment u hold it longer than the cd
jagged pier
more like 3-4 IPs, no? it gives 80k absorb twice, which scales with amount of en...
ok but what does IP do
its not just 80k absorb
it reduces damage by 55%
so one use of IP which is ~48k
is actually double that in terms of mitigation
hardy snow
it reduces damage by 55%
it doesn't 🙂
jagged pier
im not good at explaining it in words but its not 47k shield
its vastly more
it used to be 90%
imagine that now
vital oak
I thought it absorbed half of the damage you take, up to the strength of the shield. is that incorrect?
woeful trellis
it used to be 90%
Legion 😍
hardy snow
imagine that now
now we cant even keep 55%