protection

[edgy kindle]

Full procced Idol of the dreamer, only 1.5k more

[craggy kelp]

iw as waiting for each charge,was like spreading them

[strong forum]

Bloodmallets issue

When I simmed wft it was 2.1k dps gain for me

[stable valve]

That makes way more sense. Think it's something w/ whatever blizz did to the avatar spell ID at patch?

[strong forum]

Okay no

Something is fucked on simc

[craggy kelp]

@oak echo hmm..my shield block lasts only 5 sec,what makes it go to 8?

[strong forum]

For some reason pwar only Sims 21k

??

[viscid plaza]

I have 5269 haste.

[oak echo]

it's either 6 or 8. it's 8 with enduring defenses which you absolutely should always run

[stable valve]

ROFL yeah well that's not right

[strong forum]

Somebody broke the Sims

[viscid plaza]

Oop

[deft mortar]

ugh

[viscid plaza]

it dun got borked

[deft mortar]

smooth asf RLP run until 1st boss

[craggy kelp]

@oak echo ok i didnt have enduring,the pin i belive it had the other one

[stable valve]

show blizz sims and have them buff us 🙂

[deft mortar]

Priest dies to hailbom

2nd try thundering stun before hail boom

[craggy kelp]

@oak echo can u check and see if all is good in here now?

[deft mortar]

3rd try I am basically self healing and micromanaging defensives

Priests are so uselss

spell reflected every frigid shard I could with CD

dstanced etc still not living

[tropic gorge]

I've yet to beat a healer on the overall meter, but I can outheal the people I'm grouped with on lots of pulls it's kinda awesome

[oak echo]

for general purpose M+ this is pretty standard

[deft mortar]

u might outheal priets XD

[oak echo]

good build to learn on at the very least till you get used to teh changes you can make for different situations

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[deft mortar]

If u outheal your healer it might mean that your group is playing good

like dps dodging shit popping defensives

that the healer just focuses on doing dmg

[acoustic edge]

out of curiosity, who maintains the apl for prot warriors? i thought it would be folks here?

[strong forum]

Found the issue

I do

The default profiles talents broke with 10.0.5

[deft mortar]

kekw

avg blizz coding

[strong forum]

Cuz of the new spellID for Avatar

[shell hull]

at lower ilvl should my gems be pure haste, or haste/crit?

[strong forum]

Always duo stat gems

[craggy kelp]

so shield charge extends duration of shield block

[deft mortar]

why would avatar need a new spellid anyway

shield charge is fkn broken

40 rage

almost 1 rage per sec

60 rage act

like 1.3 rage per sec

revenge proc

90 rage act

2 rage per sec

shield block

[oak echo]

yes. think of it like a 3rd shield block charge - works the same way as far as duration goes

[deft mortar]

sry for spam i thought out loud

[craggy kelp]

and its not possible to have 100% uptime on shield block right?

[oak echo]

it is

[craggy kelp]

only if sc available at start tho right?

[deft mortar]

I think u might go shield slam +1 sec to block over IoF if u want 100% uptime SB

but why

[oak echo]

between SC, 2 SB charges, and heavy repercussions you can definitely have 100% with proper play

[craggy kelp]

sec looking for what iof stands for xD

[strong forum]

Iof isn't an abbreviation

So don't bother looking

[craggy kelp]

k

[deft mortar]

i meant into the frety

[strong forum]

But you can easily get 100% uptime

[oak echo]

why are you intentionally doing less shield slam damage

[strong forum]

Just talent into heavy repercussions + enduring defense + champions bulwark

Boon, done

[tropic gorge]

Block god!

[deft mortar]

mmm avg shield block does 30k maybe avg revenge does 10k if 1 target

probs similiar value

[frozen rose]

my logs feel pretty lame. sometimes i'll hit somewhere in the 80% for my ilvl. sometimes kinda sad. i think I was in the 60% for mythic eranog. Comparing a high log, with a fight during same duration, I noticed they had way more casts of revenge, and maybe 10 or more shield slams. Any ideas? Besides just...play better lol? I honestly feel like I hit my buttons rightt but I guess not. I feel like I dump a lot of rage into ignore pain, but if I dont I feel like ima rage cap

[deft mortar]

probs have like 80-90% uptiem without caring about it anyway

[strong forum]

Just send over a log

[deft mortar]

If I have outburst I try to shield

[strong forum]

98/100 times the solution is "just press more buttons"

[deft mortar]

kekw

Keep conqueror's banner up T^T

press.. buttons..

[frozen rose]

@strong forum okay thanks ill get it over soon

[deft mortar]

ptsd

wonder if we will have enough rage gen that barbaric whatever 25% revenge +50% rage cost thing will be useful

[craggy kelp]

ok 1 more issue i got with is in voi in lfr sadly,how do i know if we are 2 tanks when to taunt the boss to switch tanks?

[strong forum]

Debuffs

[deft mortar]

DBM shouts taunts usually xd

[rancid ember]

any boss mod usually blares at you to tell you as well.

if you doing LFr just go by that tbh

[craggy kelp]

so i did that on raz when mod told me to taunt

and after

some1 srcasticly said,ok so we dont switch tanks at 4 stacks

[strong forum]

1st boss swap on 6 debuff stacks
On council, swap on 1 debuff of earth guy
Dathea you don't need to swap, but if you want to, do it on 2

Diurna you don't swap

[acoustic edge]

is 80 to 90% melee blocked on logs a "good enough" number? or are we actively supposed to work towards 100%

[strong forum]

Terros you swap on 2

Rasz you swap on 1

[strong forum]

Goal is as close to 100% as possible

[deft mortar]

love how all raid tanking is about switching kekw

M+ tanks are simply a diff breed

[craggy kelp]

in council,the mod told me taunt and every boss had like arrow above it,so which 1 shouldve taunted xD?

[strong forum]

Only earth guy matters

Rest is free for all

[craggy kelp]

ok

[strong forum]

If you have fire, aim that away from raid

That's it

[craggy kelp]

okie

ty all

[vivid lagoon]

I don't know which trinkets I should use from these 🤔

[strong forum]

Hoof + ruby/horn

[deft mortar]

my trinks are peak garbage

I got algeth'ar puzzle box and the whelpling thing

[vivid lagoon]

I was running with Hoof and decoration of flame all the time. Thought Deco of flame is good?

[strong forum]

It's not

[vivid lagoon]

[vivid sparrow]

anyone know the proc or rate of dmg from the Unstable Frostfire Belt

[deft mortar]

ait nome im running sim

[strong forum]

It's the "I pretend to use a tank trinket" trinket

[vivid sparrow]

is that better than a stat blet

belt

[dusky canopy]

I’m running rumbling and hoof

[deft mortar]

lets see if i improved since last week

was 40.5k

[dusky canopy]

Decoration is ass

[strong forum]

400-600 dps

[vivid lagoon]

Thank you 🙂

[deft mortar]

bruh has random items procs dps memorized

[strong forum]

All embellishments do 400-600 dps

[dusky canopy]

Agmius do 55k

[deft mortar]

i think ill do like 42k maybe

[strong forum]

55k is close to theoretical max average

[deft mortar]

unless my trinkets are rly that much worse

[dusky canopy]

[deft mortar]

I mean 421 puzzlebox cant be bad

right? T^T

[dusky canopy]

I wouldn’t use it

[deft mortar]

hard to perfectly utilize it in practice tho

[strong forum]

It's alright for m+

Just pop before pull

Send with CDs = profit

[deft mortar]

noice

ye but if I pop b4 pull I take away 3 seconds of dps time from the other 4 players

no way it makes up for that

if I do it 10 times a run thats like 30 seconds

[strong forum]

"takes away 3sec of dps time" lol

[dusky canopy]

Nom does block still block while casting that?

Silly question I know

[deft mortar]

so I pull than pop it than get one hit by some mechanic

xd

[strong forum]

Hurrying between pulls to reduce "downtime" is not going to speed up your key my guy

[deft mortar]

my healer uses nightshroud to drink in combat

[strong forum]

Idk I never tried, I don't think so

[deft mortar]

shadowmeld*

[dusky canopy]

So you have to pre cast it then

Hmm

[deft mortar]

I try to cast it as the current pull dies

[dusky canopy]

[deft mortar]

than we insta chain

[dusky canopy]

What

[deft mortar]

Lets say there is 2 more mobs left in pack all around 10% I pop my trinket and leap on next pack

[dusky canopy]

You lose seconds running to another pack

Best value is to precast>charge

[deft mortar]

i mean if pack is far I would ofcourse not do that xD

healer shadowmeld to drink is giga brain tho ngl

fnially at 411 ilvl I do the dps 402 ilvl ppl do

tbf my gems are stamina and my weapon enchant is garbage

xdxd

but I got a total of 30 gold r

And I have been vendoring my pvp gear to repair

Wish M+ gave like some gold..

[unkempt narwhal]

Hey guys is anyone else getting trucked in shadow moon burial grounds? I am 395 ilvl with 2 set and was getting hammered to oblivion. To the point it wasn’t even doable through shield block shield wall and ignore pain

[plush tendon]

what was hammering you specifically?

[viscid plaza]

If it's the spiders it's gonna be the necrotic burst.

[unkempt narwhal]

That 4 pack

[deft mortar]

I think its the bones

[south zealot]

its the 3 tank buster pack i assume

[plush tendon]

before first boss?

[deft mortar]

There are undead NPCs called bones

they move very slow

[south zealot]

u gotta rotate defensives and kite if you need

[deft mortar]

U must kite them

well not rly but u could

[plush tendon]

yea, you go in do as much damage as you can with defensives, then dip

[vivid lagoon]

Use Spell Block and keep Shield Block up. Then kite

[plush tendon]

you can interrupt casts with shockwave

but otherwise just walk away

[south zealot]

spellblock is 4 noobs

[deft mortar]

They hit me straight 500k tru dstance

xd

in 22

Legit had to kite

[unkempt narwhal]

It’s that 4 pack just before the first boss. Played my bdk same gear but didn’t get tricked like that

[deft mortar]

even melees was getting bit too much

could still dip in n out to do dmg

[south zealot]

in the easiest dungeon it has the hardest pack in the dungeon pool

kinda funny

[plush tendon]

Temple of Jade "am i a joke to you?"

[deft mortar]

Nerzhul at tyra in higher keys gets undoable unless you time ur CDs

[unkempt narwhal]

Okay I was kiting lol do you think the hpal running virtue might of contributed? Rather then just beacon

[deft mortar]

dmging CDs

[south zealot]

i personally think its easier but maybe thats just me

[plush tendon]

no amount of extra healing

you just do damage, pop SW, it disappears, and dip

[unkempt narwhal]

I did a 16 tjs with zero issues

[deft mortar]

Jade Serpent legit has no mechanics except 3rd boss tho

[viscid plaza]

if you were still getting hit by the tank buster shots you weren't kiting, you were backing up while face tanking.

[plush tendon]

^

[unkempt narwhal]

I fully leaped out

[viscid plaza]

jump backwards or strafe away when they begin the cast.

[plush tendon]

I like to just walk away, get to the second staircase, when they halfway up just leap over them

rinse and repeat

[deft mortar]

use ur rocket boots

GIGA

[viscid plaza]

If you got hit, you didn't. I'm not saying you're lying I'm saying you need more distance

[south zealot]

ye need more distance

they wont cast if youre far enough away

prolly like 15 yards or so

[unkempt narwhal]

Okay I will watch that just couldn’t believe it

I got accused of being bad but healer didn’t do over 20k hps so I just was assuming some blame on him

[acoustic edge]

satchel's give 1000g. it's my source of income. run some random heroic and just pull the whole dungeon

[tropic gorge]

That's what i do

[frozen rose]

@strong forum here are some of my gross logs. M eranog: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nJMWHdrQ9cDCX7Lx#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=126 H kurog: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/npWbyzKL6mhDr94A#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=2 Low revenge casts seems to be the first obvious thing I see

[tropic gorge]

If the satchel is up, time to run a heroic

[viscid plaza]

90% of the time if the tank dies it's the tanks fault. We have to take a massive amount to out damage our defenses. But even if that weren't the case looking for external blame will only get you so far, you can only control you in these elements so it's best to find what you can do better in it 🙂

[acoustic edge]

it's a serious life saver

[south zealot]

yes this is correct

[tropic gorge]

The buff item on my server goes for 1800 each

[south zealot]

a good healer can also help you not die even if you make a mistake tho so it sounds like both of you messed up a bit

[tropic gorge]

I usually sell em because I don't raid on the warrior

[south zealot]

i raid but theres no chance im burning 2k gold a pull lol

esp since damage isnt the issue in the boss we are doing

[tropic gorge]

I raid with my mage, and same

[acoustic edge]

crap i didnt know they sold for that much

[tropic gorge]

Yeah check your server

[viscid plaza]

dont even need to check your server

They're consumables, which means they sell by region

[tropic gorge]

At those a global item?

Ooo

[viscid plaza]

Mhm

[acoustic edge]

what are they called again? i'm going to look it up now

[viscid plaza]

Well, regional. Like US prices arent affected by EU server prices on those

[deft mortar]

anytime I die its the healers fault

[tropic gorge]

So yeah, make some money off the ultra hard core players

[plush tendon]

or just do some carries 🙂

gotta find some whales

[deft mortar]

I legit have no gold

And blizz wont let me buy wowtokens from canada in eu

[acoustic edge]

damn. definitely selling these

[cerulean viper]

Hey guys, I see that none of the guides are using the Battle Scarred Veteran talent, even though on paper it looks insane. Any comments?

[tropic gorge]

Yessir

[frozen rose]

@strong forum often during my play i just always want more opportunities to hit revenge, but feel like i rarely get them, rage isnt the issue, its all my other abilities off CD, primarily SS and TC, that prevent me from hitting it

[plush tendon]

doesnt work as intended

[deft mortar]

Its useless because it doesnt stop a fatal dmg

Like blood dk spells do

Or rogue or whatever

[cerulean viper]

How is that?

[deft mortar]

if I drop below 30% im usually dead anyway

Usually 50% to 0%

instantly

[charred ivy]

maybe dumb question . but wich spell is it that can spell reflect on Teera and maruuk for big dmg exactly

[viscid plaza]

There aren't many situationswhere it would proc anyway

[deft mortar]

even if it stopped fatal dmg the other choices pump too muchdps

[viscid plaza]

You shouldn't be routinely dropping to 30%, so even if it functioned as intended you're losing damage or other survivability to take a talent that you'd only sometimes get use out of.

[plush tendon]

according to the spreadsheet, gale arrow

[acoustic edge]

time to hunt for those satchels then. i didnt realize it's 3k not just the 1k. 3k for like 15 to 20min? not bad

[plush tendon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS26lkSc_eaulHX7-UY8Uu-7DAHvkScxh3npd0kQn3uvvWsgsQm9ducLUi4R2mb7ieNluVilyq5sQe5/pubhtml#

you can review all reflectable things here

[lusty tiger]

tank doesnt get gale arrow tho right?

[deft mortar]

I guess.. Its just IRL farming for $$$ is way faster

But region locked out of tokens .

[plush tendon]

only if someone dies

which I learned recently

XD

[lusty tiger]

lol

[edgy kindle]

Imagine you have 600k and 200k ignore pain, getting hit by a 420k hit will proc it because if you don't count IP you'd go to 180k (30%), even though you are perfectly fine at 380k

[lusty tiger]

bsv is good to me for one thing

lazy puggin TJS with io and spellblock

[acoustic edge]

how come you're region locked? can you just use a vpn or something?

[deft mortar]

I pay sub in canadian dollars

And my account is registered to be in canada

But i play eu

[acoustic edge]

oh

[deft mortar]

so i must switch account to eu but need eu card or smth

[plush tendon]

imagine playing on EU am i right

[deft mortar]

ye i wish i could xfer to NA

[edgy kindle]

I use BSV, but more as a "oh damn, I fucked up" thing than something I can properly time since most of the time it'll proc out of random stuff

[deft mortar]

nah if u fucc up u go from 100% to 0%

BSV doesnt even pop

xx

[edgy kindle]

Welp, yes, fuck mildly bad I guess

XD

[deft mortar]

i miss raiding as retri pala in legion with auto bubble

what even are mechanics and who cares

[lusty tiger]

me proc divine storm

[cerulean viper]

I'm still leveling, at 69 now. I was gonna maintank soon so I havent any practical experience in M+

I'm a 2500 enha shammy main, but want to go prot

[viscid plaza]

It's all gucci bro, you'll learn stuff as you go

BSV just isn't worth the damage decrease for most of us

The best way to avoid damage is to kill what's hitting you, the best mitigation is a dead enemy

[sick sentinel]

azure vaults is alot of pain

[cerulean viper]

I mean IP does most of the job I suppose

[cinder storm]

No, IP is not a magic button

[plush tendon]

IP is not our savior

its our rage dump

[cerulean viper]

fair

[strong forum]

Your SS and revenge usage is abysmally low yea

[plush tendon]

Shield Block and proper defensive CD uses

[viscid plaza]

IP is extra HP.

[strong forum]

Your talents are also slightly wrong

[viscid plaza]

Our HP goes away REALLY FAST if you dont have block up

[strong forum]

You also don't seem to use your outburst charges on shield slam

You just send them at random

[viscid plaza]

Whereas monks, druids (to some extent), and Demon Hunters are avoidance tanks

they're "Please don't hit me" classes

We're "Hit me harder daddy," classes

[frozen rose]

@strong forum so i had a question about that. often when i get the proc. i have TC ready to use, but no SS....so the right move is just let TC linger? until SS is off CD?

[strong forum]

Revenge is your button to fish for shield slam resets

This is your dmg breakdown

This is mine

[jagged pier]

👀

[strong forum]

Notice a difference?

[jagged pier]

where

[cinder storm]

Revenge where?

[frozen rose]

right my SS isnt top dmg at all

[cinder storm]

[strong forum]

This is eranog log btw

[frozen rose]

@strong forum So when you get outburst, but no SS, and TC is avail...you just spam revenge until SS is up and use?

[strong forum]

Yes

[frozen rose]

okay. thank you for the help

[strong forum]

Revenge is your filler ability

It's like ss>tc>revenge

And outburst should be used at a 4:1 ratio between SS and TC

Ideally you wanna send almost all outbursts into shield slam

It's your bread and butter for single target dps

[deft mortar]

does TC do rends initial dmg?

[frozen rose]

got it. Do you actually typically go SS,TC,then revenge? Feel like if I did that...i'm ignoring procs of TC and SS, and hitting revenge. my rotation is def not a balanced weave between them lol. I feel like I don't have many opportunities to hit revenge

[strong forum]

No

[acoustic edge]

so if i'm reading/understanding this correctly, the only time you want to press tc when outburst is up is when you can't press revenge (presumably no rage?) and ss is on cd?

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes

SS is prio

In pretty much all cases

[frozen rose]

TC is prio over revenge still ya?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tropic gorge]

Shiney button wjth the golden ring gets priority. Push it

[frozen rose]

outside of procing for outburst

[strong forum]

Cuz it generates rage

Maximising rage generation is what pwar is all about

[frozen rose]

word. and not capping

[strong forum]

Obv

[frozen rose]

happen to notice if I hit way more IP than you?

[molten ridge]

When your rage dump is off GCD its kinda impossible to cap

[strong forum]

I severely doubt it, but I'll check

[frozen rose]

word. just wondering if im being stupid and overly panicking about rage capping

[strong forum]

You have 0.5 more casts per minute

[frozen rose]

ah ok lol

[strong forum]

Yours

Mine

[frozen rose]

OY my revenge casts are so sad LOL

[icy citrus]

So guys ty for nice spell prio. clarification ^^
If i may regarding my item / stat choice, atm i have stats:

Crit - 21%
Haste - 27%
Versa - 18%
Mast - 15%.

Would it be smart to craft Eng. head with full haste to reach that 30% ''cap'' + ress tinker?
P.s. in that case i am losing aprox. 2% crit from existing head item.

[strong forum]

You're nowhere near the "cap"

[tender quartz]

Oi peeps, Im slowly finishing all 22's and kinda wonder... ( was too scared to ask but I see its about time )
Do I assume correct we shout to help heal out when group is low, but we shout before certain casts like 4th Craw AOE so group doesn't drop too low?

[strong forum]

You need 7.2k haste before you reach the point where wanna hardstop getting haste

Gl with that

[strong forum]

Yes

[icy citrus]

So, go for it would be conslucion? 😄

Since i lack a lot of haste then

[tender quartz]

So i wasn't off by too much then, thanks :D

[strong forum]

You have more haste than me, but I'm not gonna go and craft the engi helmet

You want a healthy spread of stats, with focus on haste

Rn you're just gotta make do with what hand you're dealt, if you absolutely want to, sure you can craft engi helm, it's not a detriment

[tender quartz]

Also ( I know, Overall is a bad metric, depending on dungeons and pulls ) but am I generally okay with 65-70k for 22's as Tank, or would I be able to go safer? DPS in pugs do vary alot and I don't like that offensive playstyle anymore in certain dungeons...

[cinder storm]

I now have 4% verse bc I crafted wrists

[sick sentinel]

in my 13 AV i saw dps die to

[cinder storm]

You stun those

And party should help

[deft mortar]

just face em

with wall

kekw

[strong forum]

65-70k in AA? Whack
65-70k in other keys? Really good

[tender quartz]

No AA and Nokhud are higher

[cinder storm]

Damn

[tender quartz]

Aight sweet!

[deft mortar]

ur overall dps depends alot on your DPSers single target dps

so dont blame urself

[tender quartz]

Just wasn't sure if more is expecteded to help time

[deft mortar]

If ur dps is doing fkn 50k dps vs boss

ur overall is not on u

[strong forum]

Nah those numbers are pretty much in line with jakey and mine

[deft mortar]

no prot warr cleaves below 100k here xd

[strong forum]

So it's fairly above average if not peak

[tender quartz]

Thanks for the input Nome :)

( But I think I'll go look for a team anyway, 22's are getting toxic for whatever reason D: )

[tropic gorge]

Nok + bolster = ranged death

[strong forum]

Only people who nolife like crazy can pug spam to 26s

[cinder storm]

Someone here was told a tank was expected to do 80k on AA 16, I wouldn't say it's peak based on pugs

[tropic gorge]

Had a couple groups who ignored the shooter dudes, they ended up with a bunch of stacks and began to rofltomp people

[strong forum]

I meeeean

It's not expected, but any respectable warrior does that or more

[shy sluice]

gift of radiance is poopo right?

[tender quartz]

Also Nome lemme log in real quick I'd have a question lemme check Stats

[strong forum]

It's aight for ST, but nothing to write home about

[plush tendon]

80k sounds like a top end for AA

depending on pull size

[tender quartz]

Could I just recraft 4-5 to Crit Haste instead of Vers Haste and take Def Stance whenever Nome you think?

Or is that too low on Vers then

[plush tendon]

like if you pull the whole tree area one at a time... probably not getting 80k

[strong forum]

You're asking me

If you're low on vers?

[plush tendon]

^ hates vers

[tender quartz]

I'm used to 30-40% Vers from past patches!

Oh.

[strong forum]

Sir I run 35% crit and 25% haste

[tender quartz]

How much Vers you on D:

[strong forum]

Idk like 12

[tropic gorge]

I kinda like vers

[plush tendon]

this aint pvp

[strong forum]

I've never stacked vers ever

[cinder nova]

You can get away with shockingly little Vers.

[strong forum]

Ever

[plush tendon]

Vers for the vast majority of us is not the difference maker

[tender quartz]

Do I just recraft my Haste Vers to Haste Crit then?

[plush tendon]

its like, important for maybe a handful of players in the world

[tender quartz]

Maybe keep 1-2 items?

[tropic gorge]

I don't stack it on purpose. I do use the vers phial tho

[cinder nova]

Back when Thwump was pushing extreme keys he had like 8% vers in SL

[plush tendon]

and thats about it

[cinder nova]

During S3 iirc

[plush tendon]

vers phial is just really gold efficient

nothing wrong with that

[strong forum]

Those are my stats rn

[strong forum]

Up to you, crit is more dmg

[tender quartz]

How high do you play then and dyou still feel comfortable?

Just so I can get a grasp before ditching gold for recrafts

[tropic gorge]

I pug 99 percent of my keys, it's my go to since comp varries run to run

[strong forum]

Andy does 26/27s with 16% vers

[tender quartz]

Oh

Okay

[strong forum]

Stats don't decide your success.

[cinder nova]

Play > stats aye

[tender quartz]

I got lots to learn then so go Crit for the DPS Fun?

[cinder storm]

Parry fun too

[strong forum]

Absolutely, sure

[plush tendon]

Haste>Crit=Vers>Mastery generally speaking

[tender quartz]

Doesn't Fury go Haste Crit too by any chance so I could maybe start farming gear?

Or Arms, one of those

[plush tendon]

I get haste crit so I go arms easily

[tender quartz]

Haste Crit for Arms ye?

[plush tendon]

yea

[strong forum]

Andy even only has 10% vers too

[cinder storm]

I thought arms was crit mastery

[strong forum]

Nah

[plush tendon]

I do go haste/vers on my 1h and shield, but lariat is haste/crit and I got haste crit gems

[tropic gorge]

Does parry still speed up the enemy next auto attack?

[strong forum]

Arms is crit > haste

[cinder storm]

Here I was trying fury

[strong forum]

Not the enemies, yours

[tropic gorge]

Whew OK

Ty

[strong forum]

Players have parry haste

[tender quartz]

Great, that's 2 flies with one.... whatever you call it in english :D

[strong forum]

Not mobs, I think

[craggy kelp]

ok so,was just doing raz,and the phase 2 with 3x adds,and every add spawns little adds,if i didnt have aoe taunt thers no waay i got agro

[tender quartz]

brb ditching gold for recrafts wish me luck for procs :D

[tropic gorge]

Baddies used to way back when, I wasn't sure if that was changed
Now I don't feel bad about my parry amount lol

[strong forum]

Would dumb

Parry is a major defensive mechanic

Yeah let's punish you for that?

Kinda weird

[tropic gorge]

Eh, I'm thinking of ancient days

[plush tendon]

you talking first intermission?

[craggy kelp]

the one that pushes u to platform and then 3x adds

[analog sparrow]

It was when the boss parried you, not when you parried the boss, that would lead to parry hated auto attacks

[odd nimbus]

what do you think about talenting into barbaric training on rasza hc?

[plush tendon]

you generally have CDs on first set, Challenging Shout second

and just do damage on third

like Demo+SC does the trick for me

[craggy kelp]

oh both transmisions,in first i can,but last add,that teleports and leaves like 6 adds behind,thers no way i get aggro on those

[odd nimbus]

is it good or back fire again?

[plush tendon]

you dont get aggro for secodn intermission

those adds just run across

[craggy kelp]

oh,i tought i was just being bad

[plush tendon]

its on DPS to ring/stun em when they get to the center and blow em up

[tropic gorge]

Since my dodge is at a huge, massive 3 percent, I'm glad there's no downside for parry.

[strong forum]

BT is horrendously bad in raid

[jagged pier]

its never good

[odd nimbus]

thanks mates

[toxic pewter]

playing some arms and feelsbadman my flavor pocket is on my 1h weapon lol

one you go flavor pocket its tough going bak

[edgy kindle]

Will BT be any good if next tier set bonus gives us some extra rage?

[plush tendon]

maybe

we wait for maths

[modest gulch]

I'm seeing a lot of warcraft logs from high keys (25/26) where there has clearly been a choice made on itemization to strongly prefer crit over vers. Is crit really equal to vers? The sweaties don't treat them equally.

[jagged pier]

would have to give us a fucking load rage

[jagged pier]

in terms of defensiveness crit is our best defensive stat over a dungeon

[plush tendon]

I just look at subcreation; Haste/Vers gems seem to be most popular

[jagged pier]

ew

[plush tendon]

good chance they may also be geared for arms or fury

[jagged pier]

we dont go there

[plush tendon]

and its also recommended to go haste/vers in wowhead

[strong forum]

Subcreation is just a popularity chart

Nothing else

[jagged pier]

well its also worse because ppl just copy the top person

then it filters down and down

[rough egret]

Im gemin haste crit

[plush tendon]

therefore, I just say crit and vers relatively equal so people can make up their own mind

[rough egret]

Lariat procs more crit

[jagged pier]

well there are equal if anything crit is better as 90% of ppl in here just run m+

[modest gulch]

Nah, tanks specifically. Warcraft logs captures their itemization so its not like raider.io where they can change gear/spec after the fact. It's a point in time snapshot. Definitely a tank with like 30% crit vs 10% vers

[jagged pier]

where crit is actually better

its 👏 almost 👏 like 👏 stats 👏 dont 👏 matter 👏

[modest gulch]

Why would they be so deliberately min/maxing crit over vers if it didn't matter? Follow up question, why are there no inverse examples of tanks minimizing crit and preferring vers in those top logs?

[strong forum]

Cuz ilvl is king

[plush tendon]

bro, you thinking way too hard about this

[jagged pier]

your really over thinking stats

[lofty widget]

crit is more fun, tanks dont die so why not spec crit?

[cinder storm]

Some also play arms in raid

[jagged pier]

vers wont save u from dying anyway

[modest gulch]

Rings true actually

[jagged pier]

crit actually might if u parry the right thing

[stoic elm]

is mage tower easier as prot or fury

[daring marlin]

crazy how trash people can't clear thundering during the big trash pack before first boss of HoV

[plush tendon]

it really just comes down to gem enchant haste+thing, slap on highest I level, and let it ride

granted, my Eggnog ring gives me like 900 Vers XD

its where it all comes from

otherwise, just a smattering of stats of whatever gear I got

[modest gulch]

I have Vers/Haste air gems atm, for Lauriat to proc haste... but strongly considering a swap to haste/crit air

[plush tendon]

personal choice

im haste/crit on lariat

works well for dps specs

[strong forum]

I'd say prot war is one of the easiest challenges these days

But a fury main might say that fury is one of the easiest

[plush tendon]

Fury is real easy

its just a back and forth

[modest gulch]

Also, based on stuff learned here I cleared 3rd boss on TJS yesterday +17 for the first time without needing externals. Huge progress in terms of learning the class lol

[strong forum]

[plush tendon]

and I think the Emerald Nightmare trinket off first boss still works yea?

seed pod or whatever its called

[torpid fiber]

How much faster is the 100 before 2nd boss route in azure vault? Because I despise piercing shards lol

[plush tendon]

I recommend doing the 100 before second boss route this week

cause bolstering those scream bois after second boss seems like a absolute pain

[languid wind]

Is it easier to have arms or fury as an off spec for prot?

[plush tendon]

either is fine, but probably arms

by like a smidge

im also particular to arms

[craggy kelp]

so im on diurna and im second tank designed for adds,so 1 grp of adds spawned,got agro on them,immidietly 5 sec later another 3 adds spawned,is that normal xD?

[void marten]

its 10 seconds

and yes

[languid wind]

Nice I really want to give arms a go

[void marten]

you need to grab aggro and move

[plush tendon]

arms super fun with the changes

10/10 would recommend

[sick sentinel]

oh i love azure vaults

[void marten]

after the first set which is only 1 pack, both sides spawn 2 sets of adds within 10 seconds of each other

[languid wind]

Thanks!

[plush tendon]

I actually dont think Azure is that bad now

[sick sentinel]

i still mess up many parts of that dungeon

[plush tendon]

just have to recognize what are the dangerous things in each pack, and some coordination also goes a long way

oh, and your WW has to not have his gear break right before the second boss with no auto hammer

[sick sentinel]

try again i guess

[plush tendon]

we were over by a min on 21.... morale was depleted

[viscid plaza]

the number of people who don't repair XD

[plush tendon]

like the key

[viscid plaza]

I had a 14 last night that went 2 minutes over and all of the deaths were really really dumb deaths

[plush tendon]

I dont undestand how people arent always repairing

[viscid plaza]

i have an addon that auto repairs when I go to a vendor

[plush tendon]

I also dont understand why repairing is still a thing

[viscid plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

Artifact of the "hardcore" wow days

[reef holly]

I’m OCD when it comes to repairs

I always check the group too via details

[viscid plaza]

There are a ton of people who say vanilla was harder. No it was harder to enjoy, m+ shit is much more actually difficult than vanilla was, which was a frustration factor imo

[proud dock]

can u spwan the AV adds with the 2 welps at different times? i feel like even if i attack 1 welp, the other one goes off too

[viscid plaza]

You can check their repairs via details?

[plush tendon]

Vanilla is harder cause we were all dumbasses in 2004

and had potato cpus

[reef holly]

Get your route down- I skip first three lashers, pull 1 group with pat on second ring along with the 4 knock back dudes, pull everything else

[plush tendon]

I cant wait to do the big pull at the beginning with no bolstering

triple shard 6 lashers

[reef holly]

Also I save my kicks for all icy bindings

[thin silo]

Turned off auto repair so I could repair my own shit with BS
Which led to me repairing my shield mid boss fight in AV, lol

[plush tendon]

big dam

[reef holly]

[plush tendon]

its de way

[viscid plaza]

my favorite thing I've learned about these is druids can just fucking shapeshift out of them

[reef holly]

Good to know thanks

[viscid plaza]

My alt is ~1k rating Resto Druid and I learned that the other night

[plush tendon]

icy bindings is big cuck

[viscid plaza]

Fuck your icy binding I'm a kitty cat rawr

[plush tendon]

not as much as those elemental guards with that knockback of theirs

fuck those guys

[reef holly]

I have resto druid as well and have just been dispelling myself

[plush tendon]

we skip that platform

[viscid plaza]

shift, dispel top dps, let god sort out the rest

I also use the roar, idr the name of it but the disorient, to interrupt that spell every 30 sec

[plush tendon]

just have to kick it

[crude dust]

Hi I was wondering if someone could look at my AV +12 that I played earlier today

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bTq9K31aWPntB4MG/#fight=last&type=summary&source=3

I feel like I could improve a bit more but dont know quite in what aspects, what to look for

Thanks

PS: Pls ignore the time and wipes to the last boss, we finished with 4 people since someone left in the middle of 3rd boss 😉

[plush tendon]

literally the only kick that matters in those packs

[grave flower]

yall solo pulling rock guy to start rlp for bolstering or what

[rancid ember]

no just pull him in and do a triple / quad pull /w lust

[plush tendon]

drop barb training and get something else

[rancid ember]

focus him and stun tectonic slams / kick casters

[viscid plaza]

absolutely but almost no one does in 9-14

or rather in <14

[plush tendon]

blocked hits also very low

61% is quite bad

with Heavy Repracuions and the 2second extra on SB, you should be closer to 90% at least

[cinder nova]

Only works when you don't have a brainlet group that can't figure out how stunning tectonic works 🫠

[plush tendon]

invis pot

screw that rock guy

[cinder nova]

I'm actually tilting at how people flame when I'm sweating to make sure the group doesn't get detonated only to watch a WW monk hold sweep for the next key

[plush tendon]

never do him, no matter the week

[cinder nova]

It's literally the same mob as the one in the next room

[plush tendon]

we skip him to

0 rock bois

[cinder nova]

wtf do you just wait 5 minutes

[plush tendon]

pathing can be a cuck sometimes

[cinder nova]

How are you taking that long to clear up to him or are you rogue shrouding the 2nd

[amber siren]

You can wait for the pat, 10-15 seconds is better than a minute fighting him

[plush tendon]

depends if we have a rogue

sometimes we do, in which case he distracts

when we finishing up

[viscid plaza]

im pretty new to warcraftlogs, where do you see the blocked hits?

[plush tendon]

and then we go

[cinder nova]

Hover over hits number

[viscid plaza]

thanks

[void marten]

can you do double packs first pull in tjs on +23?

[plush tendon]

but rock boi is a pain and not worth it

[void marten]

or is it too dangerous

[strong forum]

You mean elemental + caster + blobs?

[sterile bough]

yes

[strong forum]

That's done on all levels

[void marten]

ok

[plush tendon]

yea, thats a good place to lust on fort

[sterile bough]

my last tjs 23 I did 2 elementals + caster

was fine

[plush tendon]

some really good groups soemtimes do double eles

but for most people, prob not worth the risk

[sterile bough]

I thinki ts pretty good place to save some timer

[plush tendon]

yea, but for a 21 or 22 timer isnt really the big issue

its just wiping to things

[wise helm]

Is anyone an expert on timewalking? namely mage tower, i'm struggling with and feel stat checked

[plush tendon]

biggest change we made to make Temp easier was to skip Tom and Jerry, the fire flinging kung fu panda duo, and making sure to stun Golden Barrier on Scarab boi

[crude dust]

Thanks Augusto, so pay more attention to SB basically^^

And a question for the last boss AV I know I can SR the big Dragon Strike thing but sometimes it's not ready before he does it again, do his timers change or do I have to pre SR?

[plush tendon]

Spell Reflect every other usually

then rotate defensive CDs

if you have nothing, hop into D Stance and Impending or something

depending on how fast you phase, you could get doulbe use of spell reflect

before needing Wall or Last Stand

[loud zinc]

It can be delayed by the 25% crystal spawns, you won't be able to get every one, but if you pre SR like 3 seconds that is enough to get the next one. I usually pre-SR the first one so I can also get the second one and then otherwise just use SR whenever it's up and defensives if it isn't.

[frigid laurel]

Does spell block just give the chance to block spells or does it block all spells for 20 seconds?

[plush tendon]

blocks all spells

as long as you have block up

which you should have

[tough orchid]

tanking 18s at 398 this week was a pain with bolstering and fortified

[sweet summit]

with shield block up you have 100% block chance, including spell block

[frigid laurel]

Thank you!

[vast goblet]

agreed, bolstering hurts

[wet osprey]

any good macros you guys can share?

[plush tendon]

the pins have two; one for easy stance dancing and the other for IP

both optional; would recommend the stance dancing one though

[wet osprey]

yes, i saw those already and some others on wow head

[plush tendon]

yea, other then that, nothing really should be macroed together

the only other one I use is a charge/intervene macro so it can be one button

[wet osprey]

gotcha, thought you guys might have some 5head macros xD

[plush tendon]

naw, we just slam

[wet osprey]

im usually fury, but i just started tanking for keys for friends

[finite scarab]

same used to be fury but swaped after 10.0.5 cause fuck the AM/OS playstyle

[dusky canopy]

100% count before 2nd boss? In AV

But don’t you have to get some count around 2nd boss

[errant root]

You do the first 2 whelp stone packs and the whole 2nd boss room yes

[dusky canopy]

Do you do the two you have to drop down on before third boss or try to pull them away so your group can skip and then get a rez?

[errant root]

That’s the last pull

Need it for count, wouldn’t advise doing the 5 stone pack before ring 1

[sick sentinel]

AV has been kicking my ass all afternoon

[craggy kelp]

Haste > Versatility > Crit = Mastery. this is on Wowhead,is this true or?

[amber siren]

ilvl>haste>crit=verse>mastery

[river plinth]

general question, can anyone offer any advice for handling first big pull on the pat in nok. Just attempted a 19, interrupted and stunned what could be but my group just melted even before bolstering

[cloud umbra]

was everyone getting cleaved by the big guy

[spice orbit]

I need bitter immunity for tree bos sin academy

😦

[toxic pewter]

have any of you guys found more than 1 spark off rares/backpacks/etc

[river plinth]

they were taking most damage from shoot and the dashing guy

swift stab

[cloud umbra]

ya better to have a range bait with defensives

[blissful solstice]

I haven’t found any sparks

[median tulip]

You need to have some of all 4 stats. I find the most comfortable ratio is around 3:2:1:1 H:C:V:M

[wet osprey]

is [Shield of the Hearth ] worth making ?

[toxic pewter]

I see

[median tulip]

The big lad cleaves and the archers shoot at random targets - they can't be tanked. Your DPS should be priority killing the ranged ones. And NO on Bolstering is a huge pain in the ass for this very reason.

[cloud umbra]

cant confirm but ive heard if you leap into all the packs the ranged wont jump away at the beginning

i do it, seems to work. may be luck

[tulip kelp]

He probably saw people skipping the minis with meld vanish or FD

I mean if it’s a rogue just have him aggro first and vanish after you pull boss and can still skip

[sick sentinel]

pay attention to your dbm/bw timers and boss hp

boss casts shard at 75 50 25%, and other casts(breath & orb) have priority over dragon strike

meaning if they come up at the same time he will cast the other spells first

in other cases, pop reflect 2 seconds before you know for sure hes about to cast dragon strike

pre casting reflect will let you to have it back for the next cast

and if you fuck it up dont panic just use cd

bottom line is to make sure you have reflect up if youre about to leap away for positioning

everything else is bonus mark

[proud dock]

anhy good routes for AA this week for a 20?

mostly which adds to skip (without rouge)

[craggy kelp]

does any1 know/remeber where is the qust that tells u to kill raz for the primal infusion rreward

[verbal viper]

rogue

[prisma crane]

alexstrasza, no?

[craggy kelp]

ty ty

[subtle shell]

for 418 crafting does it make sense to prioritize weapon, shield, or something else? I am 402 on weapon and shield and 405 on lariat.

[rough egret]

Go weap/shield

If you want more dam, go weap if a bit more def, go shield

Eventually both

[subtle shell]

simple enough. Thank you!

[tropic tangle]

consensus is shield first, then weapon

unless it's a massive difference, like you have a 415 shield and sub 400 weapon

[finite scarab]

invis pots i think most people skip the first pull going left to vex the double axe pack

[edgy shell]

as a new tank what's the first thing we craft?

[lean gale]

Do you guys use for 20+ vers or elemental phiol?

[toxic pewter]

Lately I been using vers phial personally

[vital oak]

Anyone know how much rating it takes to get to 30 or 35% haste?

[toxic pewter]

Prob get yourself a nice solid shield

[edgy shell]

Ty sir

[toxic pewter]

Then weapon then a lot of people enjoy lariat necklace

[tropic gorge]

So is crafting a shield a good idea? I've been hunting an upgrade for my m0 shield, and was thinking of crafting as an option.
I don't raid on my warrior atm, just m+ tanking

[toxic pewter]

Shield prob the best item you can craft if you haven't found a better one from drops and all

[edgy shell]

Kinda getting boosted through +20s so yeah 😄 hopefully something nice for my 300ilvl prot warrior on wednesday

[craggy pilot]

anyone else had any issues with Dathea meleeing random people? 🤔

[slim dove]

she drops threat at the end of cyclone.

[craggy pilot]

like complete reset?

or just a small drop?

[slim dove]

complete reset

[blissful solstice]

If a melee beats you back in after the mechanic, they will catch her first melee

[slim dove]

just taunt her.

[craggy pilot]

oh ouch

[slim dove]

reflect wind burst or w/e its called.

[blissful solstice]

Tell them to either wait or go in at their own risk lol

[slim dove]

nah just taunt.

[sick sentinel]

44 points to go

[craggy pilot]

ah ye ok ty

[tropic gorge]

I'll hold off until tomorrow, then make a decision
I just know if I craft one, I'll get a drop

wooo satchel reward for random heroic. ez money let's go queue! dont screw me and vanish the reward like last night!

i think its kinda insane that it takes less time to find a m+ group, than a random heroic group out of lfg

[median tulip]

All static bosses work the same way; if the tank isn't in melee they will hit whoever is, and if nobody is in melee they will spam a special that will wipe the group in a few casts. Been that way since Ragnaros AFAIK

[slim dove]

that isn't how dathea works.

she drops threat at the end of cyclone.

[craggy pilot]

well Dathea has a ranged attack though

which is why i asked

and he does melee on other people even when tanks are in melee

How do people usually do Diurna with DPS wise? how is the split add/boss wise

[slim dove]

just enough dps on adds to stay ahead

rest on boss.

[tropic gorge]

augment runes in US are now up to 2k per

moooovin on up up

[craggy pilot]

we have 10 dps, with 5/5 split

2-3-10

[serene locust]

does anyone struggle with liu flameheart? Just done a +18 and I was getting absolutely smashed up. Didnt get hit by any damage apart from that serpent debuff she gives, is it literally a healer problem if i'm dying? using spell reflection and my defensive cd's but I just get chewed up

[vestal rover]

what would generally be the ideal trinket combo for m+ and raiding?

[slim dove]

icon / whetstone in raid, all totem / whetstone in m+

can use grieftorch also if you want. Super solid.

[vestal rover]

hm okok

[jagged pier]

i mean no not a healer problem

u can IV every other one

u can LS the absorb shield away

u can hp pot

[quiet monolith]

can i just say

fuck the last pack of jade

[sick sentinel]

almost there

[deft mortar]

Nice man

You 2 chested HoV

Respect

[ocean yoke]

yogi turning that mindset into a grindset

[deft mortar]

HoV legit so fkn beefy

[vestal rover]

alot better after this weeks nerfs at least

[sick sentinel]

i recently discovered court of stars is pretty approachable

[deft mortar]

CoS post nerf is soo good

[vestal rover]

I'D say CoS is one of the easier keys yeah :D

[deft mortar]

Its SBG tier atm

imo

Lil tricky with fortified

For melee dps

Failed to time CoS 21 today with 1 min

Cuz we had 1 wipe to trash pack b4 1st boss

[fallen pulsar]

What about the whetstone

[vestal rover]

failed 22 AA on my dk today with 2 and a half min sadge

[deft mortar]

8 deaths and no time 😦

ugh not timing AA must hurt more

Difficult dung lol

hate it

I hate Azure Vault the most

Followed by RBL

[vestal rover]

I don't think it's too bad, but it hurt cause I was not playing well, if I played better it would've been timed

[slim dove]

dps problem

[sick sentinel]

long as my gold and potions hold out tonight, ill keep making progression for 2k

[slim dove]

timed a 21 yesterday with 15 deaths lmao

cos is a joke

[deft mortar]

dang

[vestal rover]

ended up with like 96k dps overall on my 414 UH dk, should've been way higher but stupid deaths

[deft mortar]

ill see if my details still has it but ye

[fallen pulsar]

Whetstone in AoE is better than grief, so definitely great for m+

[deft mortar]

I think ST dpsers were below 65k

I did 60k overall xd

Which was low too

[lean gale]

+21 RLP is always the same deaths to 2nd Boss, DPS dont know how to bait properly

[slim dove]

60k overall is plenty for cos as tank.

[fallen pulsar]

Whetstone is really good in AoE?

[slim dove]

only 1 big pull entire time.

[fallen pulsar]

Its like second best trinket

[slim dove]

^

[fallen pulsar]

Still does tons of damage

[sick sentinel]

i got so much gear this week (this is just extra, but some of it is m+ i scored this week

[vestal rover]

this is my so far on the warr though, starting to get used to tanking but still alot I can improve on. Still always playing defensive stance as well

[lean gale]

No shame on D-Stance

[deft mortar]

Absolutely no shame on D-stance

I got comfy with shifting stances but

[vestal rover]

I think the main thing I can improve on is using my defensives better and more

[fallen pulsar]

Idk I’d prefer whetstone over grief in m+

And keep all totem

[vestal rover]

I tunnel dps and dump all my rage into revenge heheh

[deft mortar]

Sometimes u gotta sit at it even if u do all mechanics right

Cuz healer is wak

Or NPCs are hitting u 60k physicals tru block

T^T

[vestal rover]

currently sitting on ruby whelp shell (5/6 trained), alltotem 395 and decoration 389, what trinket combo would yall use of those?

[fallen pulsar]

And use grief + alltotem or grief + something else in raid

[vestal rover]

for m+ mostly

[fallen pulsar]

However, mainly jealous you have a grieftorch 😛

[lean gale]

i personaly hate flame of decoration. i would play ruby whelp and alltotem

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah it’s not the best, but assuming you dont run double on use

[deft mortar]

All I get is puzzle box 421 T^T

Atleast figured out how to use it properly now

So I dont get stompt as I cast it

[fallen pulsar]

Lmao my guild leader has it and it’s hilarious

Also plays a ka ching sound effect

[finite scarab]

i would go dec and all totem

[edgy bone]

Hey boys

[deft mortar]

my parents in turkey are paying $15 a month for their 150 Mbps upload/dload wifi

no limits

[edgy bone]

What's our MAX DAMAGE prot buidl right now? I wanna be pulling 60k overall in every dungeon minimum

[lean gale]

where are you living

[deft mortar]

Canada

I pay $130 for same speeds unlimited

[edgy bone]

no just me as a one man army

[lean gale]

Holy shit

[edgy bone]

just me 60k every dungeon or higher

[lean gale]

i pay 30€ in Austria for 150 mbp/s

[craggy pilot]

how much boss HP should Broodkeeper usually be on after last eggs are destroyed? 🤔

[deft mortar]

$35 for phone plan with 0 data but unlimited call/text

[tropic tangle]

plan pulls and press buttons gud

[vestal rover]

ideally 30-35%

[deft mortar]

Damn maybe I should move to austria

But I am too used to wide spaces

[vestal rover]

but you can get away with 40-50 as well but anything above 50 is a total nono

[deft mortar]

The american way of life hit diff

[vestal rover]

50 is also a total nono but it's doable

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye ok

[edgy bone]

I wanna do it in EVERY dungeon

so which build will get me max dps

so i can pull 60k

at least

[fallen pulsar]

Full damage m+ build with no utility or passive healing sounds troll and bad, but idk get rid of silly things like indom

[edgy bone]

yeah maybe YOU cant

[fallen pulsar]

Lmfao

[edgy bone]

but if i dream it hard enough then i can

sometimes its not IF you believe it, its HOW HARD You believe it

ok what build do i use

[fallen pulsar]

Ye

[edgy bone]

I need this bottom left talent right

it seems big

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah lotta people run it

[edgy bone]

why are you trolling me

no

i am not

i want damage

u want to hurt my feelings

[deft mortar]

that talent alone

Adds 3k dps to me

[edgy bone]

RLY?

[jade trench]

Try weave in battle stance more, it really helps

[deft mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1069674451878285374/image.png

[edgy bone]

i never use d stance ever

[deft mortar]

Just use this should be ok

[edgy bone]

d stance is coward stance

What shouyld i take away for the battering ram

[deft mortar]

the thunder thing

under aoe taunt

to the left of shield wall

[edgy bone]

This?

[deft mortar]

y its not as good as it sounds

[edgy bone]

ok i rmeoved thudnerlord

[jagged pier]

your literally inting

if u dont take indom

[edgy bone]

for BATTER RAM >:]

[deft mortar]

Battering Ram legit adds 3k dps to my sim its insane

whats indom

[jagged pier]

u can do 60k

with indom

[deft mortar]

oh

obv

[edgy bone]

yeah but the troll wants me to remove it

[deft mortar]

U do need indom

[edgy bone]

because he is hungry and needs more sheep under the bridge

[deft mortar]

Indom allows u to stay in bstance

Which is more dmg

without indom u might dstance much more

[glossy cosmos]

What is the best training for the whelp trinket? AOE or Haste?

[edgy bone]

Why not dance of death

sounds badass

[deft mortar]

Cuz the swirly thing is 5-8% of ur overall dmg done in M+

[jade trench]

It's an unreliable buff too

[deft mortar]

Add 20% to that it's like 1-1.75% extra dmg

[edgy bone]

What about heavy repurcussion vs INTO THE FRAY

[deft mortar]

Into the Fray

100%

[edgy bone]

This seems better

[fallen pulsar]

ez

[deft mortar]

It reduces CD on ur Shield Block by 2 seconds

[fallen pulsar]

gigachad fuck everyone pull big build

[deft mortar]

Which makes up for lost defensiveness

[vestal rover]

is this not the build I want to be running in m+ btw?

[deft mortar]

u cna get rid of shockwave and take CD for TR

idk i dont use it

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

[edgy bone]

NICE

[fallen pulsar]

who needs a stun

[edgy bone]

I kinda like that

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao

[deft mortar]

u can als oget rid of aoe fear

[edgy bone]

ok i didnt even know i had that

so i dont need it

[deft mortar]

and take the talent that procs a weapon throw when u do basic attacks

[edgy bone]

which talent

[deft mortar]

to the right below of the attack speed 5% thing

[fallen pulsar]

see my build, I got rid of unnecessay healing and stuns

[edgy bone]

I have this already

[deft mortar]

ye sidearm lmao

that thing is such a meme

[fallen pulsar]

gotta run wrecking throw to do yuge damage to mobs with shields

[edgy bone]

What does that mean

[fallen pulsar]

smh nobody looked at my pro build

[deft mortar]

I cant stand barbaric training

50% more rage for 25% more dmg hurt my soul

[edgy bone]

this is a DPS increase

[deft mortar]

defo get that

[edgy bone]

i want 60k overall in every dungeo

yeah but now we can have both

[deft mortar]

this is what i run

[edgy bone]

Bro this has to be a huge dps increase

[jade trench]

You almost never use that extra 1 sec, it always resets

[deft mortar]

and I sim 43k ST

[fallen pulsar]

noob shit, big damage prot doesnt run indom, put it in the other rage gen 😛

[vestal rover]

@astral atlas could you send a ss of what talents you usually run in m+? :D

[edgy bone]

he onyl does 35k ov erall

[arctic marten]

If I want to take Sonic Boom, what talent should I drop for it?

[edgy bone]

imagine if warrior was also doing 60k instead of 39

[deft mortar]

wtf is indom

[fallen pulsar]

what tf is this screenshot

[deft mortar]

of indomitable

Yeah big dmg prot probably cant chain pull like me

20% of my self heal is indom

[fallen pulsar]

but healing is trash, only damage

[deft mortar]

No because your healer also does dps

[fallen pulsar]

nobody needs to heal duh

[edgy bone]

18% my heal was indom

[fallen pulsar]

but you want damage

[deft mortar]

Add 10% of ur pain and gain

[fallen pulsar]

not healing

[deft mortar]

10% of your inpending victory

[edgy bone]

Ok whath appened to the shockwave build

[deft mortar]

and 10% of your laststand healing

to indom

[edgy bone]

wasnt there a shockwave build where it crit for like 300k

on every mob

[jade trench]

Nobody ever considers this haha

[deft mortar]

Shockwave Build would work but the bleed dmg from TR 15% is broken

[edgy bone]

I think I legit need this

[fallen pulsar]

just drop shockwave

[edgy bone]

maybe i will

[fallen pulsar]

go for it

[edgy bone]

ok

Wtf tho, where the love go

5 4 3 2 i let 1 go

[deft mortar]

I think that talent increases the dmg done of TR by 33%

[edgy bone]

OMG

[deft mortar]

which for me could be 5% of my overall

Cuz u cast it more often