plz no
#protection
turbid shuttle
fallow nova
Maybe they'll shoot for the moon and plus up some classic stuff lol
turbid shuttle
spires was my most hated by far. those archers such a pain
cedar trench
I think MOP with big changes is the furthest they'll go
at this stage
if they give some old old ones the uldaman treatment i could see it
fallow nova
MYTHIC+ DEADMINES
fallow nova
I'd do it
slim dove
give me stonecore.
fallow nova
I'd do that all day
slim dove
BREAK UPON MY BODY
cedar trench
thing about cata dungs is there isnt much going on
cedar trench
they'd have to put a lot of effort into making new stuff
cedar trench
i mean it does compared to some Cata ones LUL
fallow nova
Dire friggin Maul π
solar shadow
M+ Deadmines shudders
slim dove
halls of origination was amazing
warm plinth
@solar shadow Hi Mr. Whirlwind
solar shadow
Hello
warm plinth
How is the warrior coming
cedar trench
Yea i agree, i think Vortex with some DF dung work would be insanely fun
solar shadow
How we doing today
warm plinth
I'm good, my team won 
slim dove
though ZA mega dungeon would be...neat maybe
solar shadow
How is the warrior coming
Iβve been on vacation so on a break atm
warm plinth
Aww
solar shadow
Will get back to it after the 6th
solar shadow
Managed to get a +20 in on my pre evoker with a MacBook trackpad so proud of that
Canβt miss a vault you know
warm plinth
Hell yeah, I did my first 20 this week on my rogue
It wasn't pretty
Weekly no leaver +20 Nokhud
deft mortar
Someone in blood channel said that blood dk is more engaging to play than prot warr
Im lost for words
wraith prism
warm plinth
Depends on your definition of engaging I guess. There's definitely more to worry about on a Blood DK
But warrior is just fun. The buttons feel better to press and are just thematically more exciting than blood DK's imo.
fallen pulsar
shield slam lights up, dopamine is created
warm plinth
SLAM THAT BUTTON AND FEEL THE EUPHORIA
fallen pulsar
shield slam lights up 3 times in a row, dopamine is exploding
slim dove
shield slam crits for 200k? erect.
fallen pulsar
uncapped AoE? Avatar + Thunderclap? Out DPS everyone?
r a v a g e r
spinning and winning
fallow nova
I'm a simple man. I like slamming things with my shield and telling damage that it doesn't get to happen.
fallen pulsar
shield charge also just sounds so good and crunchy
fallen pulsar
Like I just squashed someone and broke all their bones.
fallow nova
Freight train mode: activated
warm plinth
Yeah all it took is for me to hear the name of that talent and I was like class fantasy activated
sick sentinel
i hate inspiring so fucking much holy shit tilted
fallen pulsar
idk, I also find proactive tanking more fun than reactive tanking. Planning my defensives before taking damage feels more satisfying than getting punched in the face and needing to quickly heal it all back
fallow nova
There's something simple and clean about just being the good ol fashion sword-n-board fighter, but in the most badass way possible
warm plinth
I assume you mean bolstering
warm plinth
Blood dk being a reactionary tank is a misconception tbf. If anything they're more proactive than we are.
fallen pulsar
are they? I guess I'm still living on the old blood
fallow nova
Yeah, I came into this expansion off a ret main in SL, decided I wanted to try my hand at tanking for the first time since Legion and remembered that I really dislike Pally tanking compared to Warrior
fallen pulsar
It used to basically be, don't get one shot and then death strike back to full hp
fallow nova
That's the blood I remember from last time I played it
You could be godlike, but your health bar was a ping pong match
lone eagle
They were more reactionary when they were more resource starved
DS was basically rotational to prevent capping in S3/S4, and DF BDK has a lot more resources and a cheaper DS than times previous to S3
analog sparrow
people like double shield wall for jade or is it spell block?
lone eagle
They don't really compete
You should take Spell Block there though.
Tons of useful spell blocks
Mostly just Dark Claws and stuff, and low target counts dslightly devalues tough as nails
SB more or less dramatically simplifies the last pack
Double shield wall is definitely a choice you can make for 3rd boss but, idk hasn't felt necessary
Only so much you can do on that boss, at some point your healer just has to juice
upbeat star
I typically only eat one or two of those straight up before Jade Dragon comes out.
lone eagle
Lots of variations on p2 timing based on group cds, key level and lust timing
On the 22s I did a while ago I'd usually have to eat 4-5
pallid quiver
Blood dk being a reactionary tank is a misconception tbf. If anything they're m...
I only consider them reactionary insofar as their main mitigation tool (the closest equivalent to Shield Block) works in reaction to health going down, even if you're (at least should) planning its biggest uses or if it just gets full sent
solar shadow
How the fuck do you time AA v3.0
Healer DPS low for AA but probably not the issue, should be closer to 35-45k
Must be pathing/wipes?
lone eagle
The largest limiter on pulling big after bird is axes
solar shadow
I recommend Vex β> Bird β> Tree, lusts on Bridge, bird boss or itβs trash & final boss where you pull the door pack into the boss
sick sentinel
i gotta get ksm, even have my durrent transmog based around when i get that mount
lone eagle
obviously kicks can't get off, but you want to really use stops on severing slice
So thats one thing I'd change in your automarker
pallid quiver
people like double shield wall for jade or is it spell block?
I personally brong both double shield wall and spell block for Temple; I get more use on average out of two back to back shield walls than I do more frequent shield walls in there. Like, I don't really need shield wall for the pack that has the single dark claw sha pack before 3rd boss, but it can be nice to have two shield walls in case DPS things happen for the pack with both a haunting and dark claw
lone eagle
Mark the axes, have someone sit on an axe, per axe
sick sentinel
i have never ran 2x sw
lavish oracle
Yeah, I like double shield wall for temple
icy bane
lavish oracle
I kinda like it on Crawth too in AA, but I don't know if it's worth taking just for that fight
fading tide
Hello it says my character parse for m+ is 87.5 best perf avg on Warcraft logs. what does this mean?
warm plinth
Hello it says my character parse for m+ is 87.5 best perf avg on Warcraft logs. ...
Best perf avg means it's averaging your best parse from each dungeon. But parses in general for M+ are basically worth nothing because they are based on key level.
Meaning I could do half your DPS but do a key level higher than you and I would parse higher for that dungeon
deft hazel
vital oak
Anyone know a way to get the tuskarr tackleboxes off the minimap?
mortal brook
Invent time machine, dont hit renown 27
vital oak
yeah, if i had only known
covert aurora
what to craft question ... I"m 390ish gear, can craft a couple 405, one 418 next week, will be couple weeks before next 418. Should i craft neck (lariot) or weapon at 418, the other at 405? My sheild is 402 now. Or is shield bigger prio than neck or weap?? bascially, do I want neck or weapon 418 first ?
tropic tangle
shield to 418 first
warm plinth
what to craft question ... I"m 390ish gear, can craft a couple 405, one 418 ne...
Shield>weapon>other should be your upgrade order. Lariat is insignificant compared to those.
covert aurora
ok, guide didn't mention shield, had lariat first. so shield before weapon even?
warm plinth
Yes
sweet dagger
Hey mythic plus welp Shellers what build are you running on ur trink?
warm plinth
You shouldn't use whelp shell in mythic+
sweet dagger
Oh? Even if it 415?
warm plinth
It's bugged currently. It has a very low proc rate in the first minute or so of combat. So it procs half as much as it should in keys.
sweet dagger
Ahhh
warm plinth
It's not trash but it's very low-mid of the pack
Would be quite a bit better if they fixed it
wind lotus
can you recraft from 402 straight to 418? or is skill req too unreasonable
warm plinth
Yes you can
The skill requirement isn't any different than just making it 418 to begin with as far as I'm aware.
sweet dagger
Hmm I wonder what trink I should run with my current build
wind lotus
k ty
warm plinth
Depends on what you have available
warm plinth
hm, probably all-totem and ruby or all-totem and deco
Or all-totem and boon if you're feeling really adventurous
sweet dagger
dope dope ive been running ruby and deco so far. I wonder if i should build it off ST and go haste or heals
wet osprey
what buff you get for AA as prot?
warm plinth
Haste
wet osprey
tyty
rough egret
Sad moments.. 19HOV healer fake DC after fenryrβ¦ in 18HOV hyrja bugged and jumped back to the platformβ¦ π¦ back to 17 π
ionic fern
π¦
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
I wanna go home 
ionic fern
Same..and i just got to work.
warm plinth
oof
warm plinth
RIP cobalt leveling
warm plinth
Timewalking seems pretty good
Friend was getting ~88k per dungeon which is like 10 quests or something
just from completion
sand pebble
Can confirm tw spam is fast provided you get a tank that knows what's up
ionic fern
And the reason was that i was going too fast.
potent anvil
My 411 prot warr timed some big-ish keys today 
potent anvil
We got some YT vids? π
I have 21 NO and 22 vault vods, yeah
potent anvil
I'm actually proud of myself on the 22 temple last pull. I stood still and actually tanked them 
ionic fern
warm plinth
What a gamer
potent anvil
I still don't have 4p, but that doesn't add damage so I'm okay about that for awhile
ionic fern
I need you to change my nickname
INto?
ionic fern
I still don't have 4p, but that doesn't add damage so I'm okay about that for aw...
It's solid in AoE tbh.
warm plinth
Stop Using Barbaric Training 
potent anvil
It's solid in AoE tbh.
Well it's just free ignore pain, yeah?
ionic fern
Well it's just free ignore pain, yeah?
Ya.
potent anvil
Yeah, I didn't bother doing heroic to get 4p. I'll get it eventually
ionic fern
Don't upload the Nokhud one to YT please. We don't want SR to get fixed there.
potent anvil
warm plinth
:kekw
potent anvil
It was actually my third highest dmg done
cedar trench
Just cut half the dung out
warm plinth
Just have technical difficulties on last boss
cedar trench
Woops sorry guys footage corrupted sorry
ionic fern
It was actually my third highest dmg done <:keks:936231610850897992>
Ya, it's hilarious.
potent anvil
My overall in the 22 NO, I don't have good aoe trinkets yet so could be higher
potent anvil
Trying to get dathea boon
ionic fern
I gave up on boon after a while. π¦
It has some weird things going on when i boon and then the enemies go FURTHER away from me or re-position behind me.
potent anvil
Yeah, I'm using haste idol from JC and whetstone
ionic fern
No idea why.
warm plinth
tfw Deswind is doing higher DPS on pwar than I do on my rogue
potent anvil
ionic fern
My overall in the 22 NO, I don't have good aoe trinkets yet so could be higher
Where's that damage breakdown?
potent anvil
Uh, I didn't record the part where I hovered over it to look... so I don't have it
It's like thunder clap, shield slam, spell reflect or something. Don't quite recall
potent anvil
Both are good
ionic fern
potent anvil
Arms better on bigger aoe
ionic fern
potent anvil
I think arms is better overall, but I could be bias because arms owns
potent anvil
Nope, arms is pretty gcd locked
And you thunderclap and ignore pain on ST... so it's basically prot
ionic fern
Uh, maybe i should try it.
I tried it in SL and it felt so sluggish,.
potent anvil
Battlelord build is pretty locked, yeah
ionic fern
Any arms m+ builds please?
potent anvil
Pretty sure you can make a mortal strike macro but have the shield slam icon... literally can't tell the difference
ionic fern
I guess i can just poke Arms channel. but dps channels are full of weird people.
ionic fern
Pretty sure you can make a mortal strike macro but have the shield slam icon... ...
π
Good. Then i can just re-do my SS "boink" sound macro into the Mortal Strike one.,
potent anvil
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPAURUUUEZRQRpRQVBAOVVBRURFBUWRVAVDREQ
I like this one
ionic fern
Thanks.
potent anvil
Can pick up shockwave, if your group needs more aoe stuns
tulip kelp
potent anvil
If you need stuns, you need stuns. But yeah, it's always about trading dmg for utility
ionic fern
If you need stuns, you need stuns. But yeah, it's always about trading dmg for u...
Which reminds me.
Doing AV on a VDH was a nightmare with the route i usually do..i'm so used to being able to solo stun most of the Fury's Piercing Shards..
Tried it on a VDH and died almost instantly..no stuns.
potent anvil
I'm spoiled with spell block
ionic fern
Oh, ya. That's broken.
potent anvil
I attempted a 23 first pull, and lived like 3 volleys with spell block
Then I play BDK
ionic fern
Actually have to LoS as some other tanks. π¦
Luckily you can LoS most of those packs.
Only the platform one might be spicy.
potent anvil
Oh, I also lived a 6 bolstered drake lightning breath in a 21 hov, but that's spell block + time dilation
I dunno if I needed dilate, but didn't want to risk
potent anvil
halcyon dust
My overall in the 22 NO, I don't have good aoe trinkets yet so could be higher
Meanwhile, my 17 NO:
potent anvil
My health actually didn't move
potent anvil
Meanwhile, my 17 NO:
That's pretty good
halcyon dust
You did 72K... I'm not even 50k
edgy spear
Helps if your group are blasters too. Killing packs fast enough where you have avatar+demo ready for every pull is nice
ionic fern
My health actually didn't move
Jeah, it's even more amazing when Hyrja does her beam and you crit block with Spell Block mitigating pretty much 100% of the damage.
blazing island
You guys got any tips for jade ( 3 boss p2 ) I did a 20 + and got rect from the healing debuff.
potent anvil
You did 72K... I'm not even 50k
As long as you time keys. I play pretty aggressive/greedy... so I sometimes floorpov
sand pebble
You guys got any tips for jade ( 3 boss p2 ) I did a 20 + and got rect from the ...
In pins
edgy spear
You wanna play double shield wall and spell block and then rotate your CDs. Check the pins
If you wanna play it real safe tell your team to hold BL and dps CDs for phase 2, so you get less tank busters
halcyon dust
As long as you time keys. I play pretty aggressive/greedy... so I sometimes floo...
Yea, we did +1 it. Only 4 deaths total. 3 of which were during a totem pull in 2nd boss area. Just not enough kicks went out
blazing island
Ty πͺ I try that
halcyon dust
Had 57.5K CPM, increase from usuall
potent anvil
halcyon dust
Battle stance for first 25%, then went defensive.
potent anvil
I haven't hit a key level high enough where I'd sit in defensive majority of the time. I'll probably feel it in 23+ for sure though. I was watching Naowh attempt 25-26 HoV and he just kinda sat in dstance for a lot of the pulls.
halcyon dust
I believe I went dstance after getting chonked a bit. Then really jus forgot to switch back.
Also was drinking a heavy double IPA during the key, Had to slap myself last boss, "ok, focus up"
ionic fern
I haven't hit a key level high enough where I'd sit in defensive majority of the...
23 is still in the realm of "i'll use dstance for only certain pulls/boss mechanics".
E.g RLP first pulls / TJS some pulls etc.
potent anvil
If I get chunked, my first response is to last stand+impending victory. I use dstance more as a pre-plan mini shield wall
Yeah, certain pulls definitely dstance
But ideally, I'll have a general cd plan for the scary pulls that if I die unexpectedly it's just misplay on my end.
ionic fern
Talking of HoV...i'd be so happy if i got into a HoV key where a melee diddn't get frontaled.
potent anvil
Tell me about it... melee in my group love to dps 90 degrees to my left or right, instead of just directly behind the pack
ionic fern
Idk if they are monging or is it a reality but sometimes the bodies legit ARE behind the packs and they get frontaled.
I got no idea how.
potent anvil
Some mobs have their frontal attack hitboxes start from inside their model
so they might be way too close
ionic fern
Ya, probably.
It's our Feral who mostly gets slapped.
It's such a time waste tho. π¦
Death time..running back time..if it's a bigger pull with thunder boys + 2 mystics then you're missing interrupts...
potent anvil
I've seen monks that play skyreach just zip right into the model and get frontaled
ionic fern
potent anvil
I'm just trying to tank and make sure I don't die
potent anvil
I facetanked the first pull... I ain't moving 
ionic fern
I think the only times i've died to the first pull is when i get Thundering stunned..which has happened wayyyy too often.
potent anvil
I need revenge to hit everything, tough as nails to proc as much as possible, can't move
ionic fern
I'm running Spell Block in every dungeon right now.
Mostly because i'm too lazy to swap out of it.
potent anvil
I usually only run it in temple, AV and sometimes HoV if I feel scared. Didn't find much uses on the other dungeons
Maybe academy? For manafiend surges if they don't get kicked
warm plinth
I got mortal hewed the other day as our tank was pulling a pack out of the hall and I was very obviously behind the pack
potent anvil
True, I like tough as nails in there though. Does quite a bit I think
ionic fern
Ya.
warm plinth
Sometimes it just hates people I guess
potent anvil
Yeah, I can't tell if fervent strike mechanics exist in halls. I got mauled by a bear as a dps where I had 0 aggro
So I suspect they'll hit nearest
mortal brook
rending claw is a frontal, like mortal hew
ionic fern
^
ionic fern
We had a DPS die to that as well.
Never knew it before.
π
But i think they only cast it if the tank is "near enough" ?
potent anvil
Honestly frontals shouldn't exist... unless it has cleave in the name of it. Change my mind
mortal brook
yeah, both the rending claw and the armor crunch are both just backpedals
just like power attack, breach armor, mortal hew
lotta that crap in halls
potent anvil
Never backpedal, just tank
ionic fern
And i recently discovered that i can just back pedal the Nokhud Arcing Strike's as well.
Feel a bit shame about that one.
π
potent anvil
My warr probably gonna hit 3k io before my dk
Oh, that's probably one of the few mechanics I do backpedal
That mechanic humbled me on a 23 attempt
ionic fern
I actually learned i can do it by playing VDH cause i got blasted by it.
A lot of things i've learned i can outrange by playing VDH..
Because i can't facetank for shit.
warm plinth
oof
potent anvil
I don't have a vod, but 1 arcing strike on a 23 did like 60% of my health in bstance... and I took two at once and went 100-0
ionic fern
Can confirm that the same will happen on a +22 when they are both bolstered.
potent anvil
ionic fern
My warr probably gonna hit 3k io before my dk <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Are you tanking on BDK?
I've seen them do fairly well in keys tbh.
potent anvil
I did early in the season... then I started hating it
So geared my warr and it's already gonna have more io than my dk after I get tyran keys in
potent anvil
I also just do more damage as prot warr
ionic fern
But it will spoil you when it comes to facetanking.
potent anvil
I pugged a 20 academy for fun trying to do as much dmg as possible
ionic fern
vital oak
no lust even
mortal brook
potent anvil
I also don't have eye of skovald on my DK either
I gave up farming that
Do I run whetsone + boon for max aoe? Or do I just run boon + stat stick?
mortal brook
grieftorch then aim at ppl using boon
potent anvil
mortal brook
potent anvil
woeful trellis
I pugged a 20 academy for fun trying to do as much dmg as possible
I would like to see the vod to this π
warm plinth
If you have grieftorch and you don't have that WA then what are you even doing with your life
mortal brook
Also hi <@195989592959221760>
potent anvil
I would like to see the vod to this π
I have a vod on a 21 coming out, not quite as good as the 20 in terms of dmg though. The 20 was scuffed because people died so I end up dps'ing most of the pulls which propped up my overall more than it should have
woeful trellis
Okay ππ
strong forum
I still can't pull it off on my bdk...
Ye im not so sure its possible anymore
potent anvil
I'm still missing like eye of skovald... and my stats are haste/mast, which I dunno is bis for damage as blood
Since I main unholy
I'd imagine something like crit/vers or something
warm plinth
Mastery at least is pretty big iirc
potent anvil
I figured since bdk dmg breakdown is basically trinkets, vers is good. But, yeah honestly I dunno
Once I get extra sparks, I'll redo my gear for blood
edgy shell
Wtf warrior damage broken, I did 65k as a bdk playing sweaty in +20 AA
strong forum
It's not that warri dmg is broken, it's that bdk dmg is that bad
edgy shell
And im 414 4set with whetstone/dogshit rumbling ruby
strong forum
Ruby is good for AA padding
potent anvil
I've done over 70k as bdk in a 20 academy before, but I play like no purg... full dmg talents, potting on cooldown and pulling aggressively big
edgy shell
Ruby does like 2.5% overall
strong forum
I mean bdk only has 1 talent build tbf
edgy shell
This week can be rough for big pulls
potent anvil
Well, I just play w/e gives me dmg... I don't talent into purg
edgy shell
And we had bad dps so shit died long long
potent anvil
So bloodworms, bloodshot, heartrender or w/e the DS dmg proc is
strong forum
Yes, that's the build
potent anvil
And just 1 point into red thirst
I know the purg build is losing heartbreaker to pick up foul bulwark (just to move down) and purg
warm plinth
I think mastery is strong bc of this
potent anvil
But rp gen feels like molasses without it for me
strong forum
Mastery is your biggest offensive stat cuz of bloodshot ye
edgy shell
Depends on how you look at it, bdk loves all secondary stats. For me atm crit/vers sims highest
potent anvil
I suppose so, yeah. But since it applies on the death strike itself doesn't feel too bad to upkeep blood shield. I suppose healing breakdown is kinda 1:1 to uptime. Bloodshield is generally like 55%~ or so of my healing
violet river
Stupid question but what does blocking do eg how much does it decrease damage from a hit by
violet river
I'm not at my PC rn and yeah the calculation if poss
Just started tanking on warr alt
ionic fern
BlockDR=BlockAmount/(BlockAmount+K)
Level 70 Base/open world: 11766.000 (Level 70 Armor mitigation constants (K-values))
Level 70 M0/M+: 12824.94 (ExpectedStatModID: 216; ArmorConstMod: 1.09)
Vault of the Incarnates LFR: 13083.792 (ExpectedStatModID: 212; ArmorConstMod: 1.112)
Vault of the Incarnates Normal: 14025.072 (ExpectedStatModID: 213; ArmorConstMod: 1.192)
Vault of the Incarnates Heroic: 15084.012 (ExpectedStatModID: 214; ArmorConstMod: 1.282)
Vault of the Incarnates Mythic: 16284.144 (ExpectedStatModID: 215; ArmorConstMod: 1.384)
potent anvil
ionic fern
The BlockAmount in that calculation is 2.5*ShieldArmor
potent anvil
When is double wall needed in keys? I've seen warriors run 2 charges in like 23-24+ but I dunno... I'm still progging into 22-23s. Don't feel like it's necessary yet? Maybe I need to pull bigger
orchid frigate
healed when a friend tanked HoV and he was one tapped by breach armor while just having 1 stack of it. i mean you should be able to have 1 stack or?
urban portal
When is double wall needed in keys? I've seen warriors run 2 charges in like 23-...
Most ppl donβt run double wall unless you plan for it
The talent it competes with is generally better
warm plinth
When is double wall needed in keys? I've seen warriors run 2 charges in like 23-...
Think it's more for certain bosses than a key level. And I think a lot of it is more erring on the side of caution than absolutely necessary
Lot of these dudes are rerollers after all
strong forum
When is double wall needed in keys? I've seen warriors run 2 charges in like 23-...
I don't think
urban portal
Because double wall means you get less uses throughout the dungeon
strong forum
A single key
potent anvil
Hmm, which boss? I can't think of many where I'd contemplate it.
warm plinth
Lot of people I've seen in here running it for Crawth, Flameheart, and Blazehoof because they want to feel safer.
warm plinth
yeah
strong forum
Double wall is only good if you have a short encounter that requires say 2-3 usages in a very very tight window
warm plinth
Well, Flameheart maybe okay. But the other two you're actually losing uses
potent anvil
I've done 23 academy attempts, and didn't feel the need for a 2nd charge of shield wall. 1 min cd of it is generally enough to just rotate along with healer externals
strong forum
Yes
warm plinth
If DPS are holding CDs and you're lusting p2 flameheart it's probably fine to use it there
strong forum
Wall just wins in any non-panic scenario
woeful trellis
I personally do it 3rd tjs cause pug canβt wait with cds for p2
warm plinth
But yeah 1 min CD wall is just so good
strong forum
I personally do it 3rd tjs cause pug canβt wait with cds for p2
You can do Sw-spellB-SpellB-LS+Demo-SW
potent anvil
You can almost just rotate wall - healer external - wall - external, on some bosses. If anything, dstance+demo covers a lot of stuff
strong forum
If you're quicker, you can do SW for the 4th
woeful trellis
Now I feel dumb that I use spellB only for one π€£
warm plinth
Yeah she casts them like ~16 seconds apart so it should cover 2 in a row
woeful trellis
Good to know π
potent anvil
I watch some warrs take double wall for first boss smbg in like 24-25s... but I don't see it. Dunno
strong forum
You can almost just rotate wall - healer external - wall - external, on some bos...
Yeah was actually crazy to see how small Andys dmg intake on crawth on 25 was
He only had to eat like 1 or 2 bleeds naked
Everything else had any CD or cleanse up
warm plinth
evoker literally godsend for that fight and RLP 2nd boss
potent anvil
Yeah, I generally have no issues with Crawth whatsoever. Tyran might feel different though, but I'll get to that point
warm plinth
What a gamer
strong forum
Maybe it was 4 idk
warm plinth
4 still pretty good lol
strong forum
But it felt like 2minutes
potent anvil
I'll eventually go dwarf on my warr. My friends bullied me and picked my race when I went back horde. Now I'm vulpera (was goblin just 2 weeks ago)
warm plinth
lol
strong forum
Okay it was 1min 20sec without a healer
warm plinth
The problem really is that we have too many good races for warrior
It's just too hard to pick
I wanna be all of them
potent anvil
I healed someone with my bag of tricks for like 71k crit
warm plinth
wow lol
potent anvil
I'm a healer now
warm plinth
ngl I was really bad about using that when I was vulpera
I'm troll currently (I was fury for the last expansion)
strong forum
I healed someone with my bag of tricks for like 71k crit <:SweatPopcorn:99708854...
Best thing ever tbh
Just being able to safe someone with it
warm plinth
But
potent anvil
Yeah, it's pretty good. Especially scaling with ap
strong forum
Mouseover macro for bag of tricks and boom
Super satisfying Button to snipe heal your party member
potent anvil
If LF draenei racial still giga for aoe? I remember it being kinda strong.
ionic fern
I lived 5 bleeds on crawth with a healer dead
It was my 2nd most damage taken ability on a +22 Tyrannical.
55% were melees..14.9% was the Crawth bleed..The next one was 4% from some mobs.
π
strong forum
warm plinth
If LF draenei racial still giga for aoe? I remember it being kinda strong.
Probably less strong than it has been in the past since you don't really do massive pulls this expansion. I think it's main claim to fame was that it's uncapped
strong forum
π 19 fort with a 2% wipe on crawth
ionic fern
Learn to mitigate.
Jk, we had a Evoker so it was pretty chill.
I lowkey love Evokers.
strong forum
I hate pug evokers
ionic fern
Oh, je..pug ones can suck one.
strong forum
Cuz 99% of them suck
ionic fern
Mine's on Discord with me.
strong forum
All of my evoker experience is this "can't outheal grievous - wipe"
mighty valley
Iβm drunk in the mountains. Anyone want a good take on prot warriors
drifting needle
Cuz 99% of them suck
This π
strong forum
Not seen one of those yet
warm plinth
Ah yes
the DPS spec where you nap in between spells
Devastation might be the fucking death of me on my leveling challenge
drifting needle
Look impressive on huge pulls early on with their mastery
warm plinth
It's so fucking boring
drifting needle
Be curious to see at higher levels but probably not the worst out there
ionic fern
Not seen one of those yet
Jeh, they are pretty "fine".
Not on the level of a good spriest/outlaw tho.
Also, fuck spriest.
Holy crap how much DPS.
I'm surprised i haven't seen more of them.
strong forum
Cuz they only deal that dmg since last week
strong forum
Massive ones
woeful trellis
Never Seen a good one even if they βgoodβ
warm plinth
Yeah they got giga buffed. You'll probably start seeing some shit ones before long
Because they do require a brain to play
drifting needle
Yeh spriest is so juiced right now
strong forum
the spriest
ionic fern
edgy spear
Spriest in Method. Has been there forever (pre-Josh gate too)
ionic fern
Ah, i don't really follow such things.
I know most of the tanks but the DPS'er/Healer names mean nothing to me.
π
edgy spear
oh he's not in method anymore
drifting needle
Was gonna say, think he left pre DF
edgy spear
Priest buffs in 10.0.5 are huge though. Disc actually feels good to play in m+ for the first time ever.
strong forum
Zaelia literally started playing disc in 24/25 immediately
edgy spear
bars actually move when buttons get pressed. It's magical.
Previously the group just slowly withered away in a race against the priests mana bar.
violet river
Level 70 Base/open world: 11766.000 (Level 70 Armor mitigation constants (K-valu...
does this mean the amount blocked varies by content type?
strong forum
Yes
You block less dmg in a mythic raid than in m+
That has always been the case
The same thing applies to armor and stagger
devout parcel
I'm quite new to warrior but i've seen some stuff high level warriors do and I was wondering why:
- not pressing shield charge (like keeping it for almost the whole cd of the spell)
- doing like avatar and ravager and after roar + demo shout
Is that intended or its the way of playing it?
devout parcel
so the good is pressing avatar > ravager > roar and demo? and when is it good to press shield charge
strong forum
Avatar+ravager>demo>roar>sc
That's the optimal order
And just send everything on CD
Unless the pack is dying in less than 10 seconds
devout parcel
yeah im the 20s range on warrior so nothing is dying quickly
devout parcel
yeah im playing thunderlord as it feels quite good to have avatar and demo on cd, then rotate the second with ravager and roar
although i've seen a lot of people play without thunderlord
strong forum
Cuz it's a dmg loss
warm plinth
I prefer Battering Ram over Thunderlord. Makes things smoother because Demo always lines up with Shield Charge and every other Demo lines up with TR and Ravager. It's more damage too.
jagged pier
also i find ppl that play with TLs tend to not send demo on CD
ive had more casts of demo than ppl running TLs
some how
warm plinth
Yeah, same.
strong forum
Ye, lots of people just waste thunderlords
warm plinth
People don't realize just how short the CD becomes and they lose track and don't press it
devout parcel
thunderlord is a damage loss?
warm plinth
Yeah, assuming you take Battering Ram in its place
strong forum
You also desync demo shout from your offensive CDs
If you use demo shout on CD
But if you don't use demoshout on CD with TL
What's the point of TL, ykno
warm plinth
yerp
devout parcel
yeah maybe because i'm not that comfortable with warrior, coming from dk, but i use TL for defensive purpose sometimes just to get some rage for IP
warm plinth
Are you doing what my nickname says not to
devout parcel
no im not using barbaric
i'm just using TL instead of battering and using last stand talent instead of punish, the rest is just default
i'm barely touching the left side of the tree
devout parcel
i take it on tyrannical weeks usually
strong forum
Idk why you wouldn't want it perma
devout parcel
can swap to it, was just primarily using the last stand talent
jagged pier
but
devout parcel
more defensive i guess
devout parcel
ah thats because of spell block, forgot that thats there
but i started dropping that as well, apart from jade
robust lark
devout parcel
so basically this - https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRRERpFRRBBNVUVEVFVFUYVUQCQB with swapping tough as nails for punish
devout parcel
but as i said, i'm not that comfortable with warrior so i might be misunderstanding stuff
devout parcel
so just drop that and run punish?
jagged pier
yes
devout parcel
aight, thank you, appreciated
edgy spear
Bolster is nice for raids when ran with ITF. Otherwise meh
jagged pier
no
u dont need to have shield block up all the time in raid
only when your tanking
ionic fern
Bolster is nice for raids when ran with ITF. Otherwise meh
ED+SC is enough for raids.
jagged pier
its good on mythic kurog
mortal brook
but what about for the SS dam
jagged pier
but apart form that
warm plinth
You'd only use bolster with ItF if you were running it in keys, which you shouldn't. In raid you have enough downtime when not tanking that it's not a concern.
mortal brook
round down to 90. which rounds down to 80. which rounds down to 60. which rounds down to 50. which rounds down to zero shield block uptime smh my head
ionic fern
That's a weird SB count. o.o
Under casts it's 30
mortal brook
extends wont count
mortal brook
means 11 gaps or whatever
ionic fern
I knew i sucked.
warm plinth
modern brook
I knew i sucked.
Mwahi owns
ionic fern
Mwahi owns
Oh, no.
limpid anchor
round down to 90. which rounds down to 80. which rounds down to 60. which rounds...
Thatβs also the reason why everything below a 95 parse is shit :>
mortal brook
97.6
ionic fern
Also..down with Storming.
The amount of times i'm thinking "I'll leap to kite/pull the next pack" just to get my leap cancelled by a storming which was forming under the enemies is mindboggering.
modern brook
Yeah fuck storming
mortal brook
ionic fern
I also ironically killed a melee in Nokhud with storming since i got knocked up and the knockup moved me enough in the air to get a melee frontaled with the horsie.
ionic fern
Exactly.
You don't know that they prefer "Centaur" over "Horsie".
whole vortex
Storming knocked me off of the first bridge today vex in AA yesterday, I've never been so embarrassed in a key before
We used lust and everything man
potent anvil
Happens to the best of us
mortal brook
hit a storming on the plant pull in AA. into a 5s disorient. into a 5s disorient. into a 5s disorient, into a 5s disorient....
mortal brook
i wasnt tanking at the time so it was relatively safe
ionic fern
Ah,okay-.
rough egret
Storming on shield maidens group goes also brrr
edgy spear
The group, however, was not safe.
mortal brook
exactly the sort of reason i bring a tankadin with me to my runs
keeps the bear safe
rough egret
Melees gone
mortal brook
wet crow
hi guys, can someone please explain why the recommended tier pieces take gloves over chest? when gloves has rly poopy stats
warm plinth
yeah chest is crit/vers but it's a matter of do you take the high stat thing with less than great stats or the low stat thing with less than great stats.
wet crow
that's fair
cause mastery is really bad i thought we'd just try to avoid it
at least crit=vers
warm plinth
Mastery isn't really bad. It's fine
It's our least preferred stat but you don't actively avoid any stats
jagged pier
just because it our worst stat doesnt mean its bad
lean gale
I cant look it up bc i am on work, but is there a good chest with high ilvl in raid?
edgy spear
Dathea has a high haste/vers chest
Same ilvl as Kurog
So ideally you use that with the tier set in the other slots.
Take it you didn't play Legion 
jagged pier
got 1
π€·
legion was the best expansion they've had
change my mind
just saying
mortal brook
Didn't get the good leggo till halfway through tomb, shit sucked
The wpvp was great tho
Also bears were brought for their strength and utility
Which is yknow 6 years dead
mortal brook
I liked legion before they blanket nerfed tanks in all pvp content
whole vortex
I remember getting the boots as my first leggo. Sad times
whole vortex
Running so fast I outran my dps
jagged pier
i did get lucky tho
got gloves and bracers as 2nd and third leggo
and im pretty sure i got belt 4th
like i was giga lucky
XD
shell mortar
Any1 knows what's more (approximately) dam in M+ on fort weeks for pwar - battering ram or 1 point in bloodborne?
Not home rn so can't sim myself
jagged pier
battering
shell mortar
Any % or just feelycraft?
jagged pier
well BB is 1.5 %
battering i dont know
but its more rage
more SS casts
more everything to fuel the AM loop
shell mortar
Aite, thanks. Will give it a try
weary saddle
darkmoon dance hype apply to pwar?
ember tangle
for me it simmed better than 415 whetstone but worse than a 421 one
i haven't crafted tho because gold
ionic plank
it's not really rng at all
doesnt it specifically bounce enemy - ally - enemy?
maybe im wrong
ember tangle
doesn't it shuffle until it hits the ace?
so that can take a longer or shorter time
ionic plank
are you simming it with the added thingy?
ember tangle
yes
ionic plank
i dont think it resets when you use it
i think it resets when you unequip it
so it will always be on the ace
ember tangle
no but i think it might reset when you pull raidbosses
ionic plank
it's also an on use
ionic plank
no but i think it might reset when you pull raidbosses
oh hm im not sure about that
I thought it was just permanently on the ace
chilly escarp
anyone have a workign macro for heathstone and health potion prioing hs?
ionic plank
you should just be able to use a regular castsequence macro I think
warm plinth
Would probably have to do something like
/castsequence reset=60 Healthstone, Healing Potion
Though I'm not 100% you can use castsequence for items
ionic plank
not ideal though since if it resets before you want to pot it wont work right?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's not ideal but I don't think there's a way to make it ideal.
ionic plank
nop i dont think so either
warm plinth
probably the best way would be a mod
solid dove
Its only me which hΓ’te this week afixes ans pretty happy to be on wenesday shortly ?
pallid quiver
Nobody ever likes bolstering fortified
deep spruce
I mean, it's not great, but not the worst either
pallid quiver
because, at worst,
deep spruce
I hate sanguine more, its a pain in the dickhole
pallid quiver
you sit there with your thumb up your ass for bloated HP pools
solid dove
Tornado can be ignored but fortifed+ boosting hp is pain in the ass xD
Sanguine you just had to aoe cleave and moove your mob is not a big deal
ionic fern
I mean, it's not great, but not the worst either
In the majority of keys this holds true.
Going up the key level it becomes a pain, especially in pugs.
sick sentinel
hey it is what it is
idle inlet
got called paper tank for this
What keylevel?
jagged pier
20
sick sentinel
i bricked mine today for this as well
jagged pier
no one inturpted after mine
or they inturpt bomb for some reason
instead of putting it on mobs
bitter lance
I've just stumbled on the text of this https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385391/spell-reflection . (Causes an enemy to take 20% increased Physical damage for 5 sec.) I think this procs from spell reflect once you take a damage in it. Is this thing legit? I cannot find anything about this on google.
bitter lance
π¦
ionic fern
AA?
ionic fern
π
sick sentinel
literally everything one shot dps
ionic fern
I just assign colors in pugs.
"X = kick red".
On the 22 key level most of them listen.
sick sentinel
idk man it feels like amazons in NA pugs
ionic fern
π¦
The only spicy pull that requires proper kicks is on the Vex platform tho.
If you do the double pack into single pack.
Other than that it's w/e.
ionic fern
Je, but that's ALMOST solo interruptable/kickable.
sick sentinel
the caster double is cancer as fuck
ionic fern
Depending on which packs you pull together.
sick sentinel
im prob just not gonna do double there like i said
rough egret
I did a 18AA today, and that pack was the only issue π because my druid healer moonfired other pack π
sick sentinel
and pull the 4 pack with boss
ionic fern
That and the Piercing guys in AV are the 2 places where i DON'T use SC on CD.
But keep it as an interrupt.
ionic fern
The pack before the boss?
sick sentinel
yea
ionic fern
Jeh.
sick sentinel
its not that bad
ionic fern
That's "standard" tho, no?
sick sentinel
a lot of people pull double 4+3 and lust
ionic fern
Ah,okay.
rough egret
Is there any trick to not get slaped by the windy elemental?
rough egret
Other than avoid tornados and los
ionic fern
Just SR/DS + IP.
Even on a 22 it was w/e.
It's just 1 single nuke that hurts so you just plan for it..
sick sentinel
if youre struggling there just use wall you dont need it for bird packs, not supposed to use any cd for bird packs anyway
sick sentinel
the big birds arent the issue its the peck from small birds, just kite them
rough egret
We timed it, but i guess i should do some bigger pulls after bird boss, we went to the arcane one as 3rd
dense ledge
how do you deal with the battleaxe? just try to stop it every time it tries to cast the bleed thing, can't outrange it or?
rough egret
Also i wanted to ask, someone told me that drake breath can be outrangwe somehow
ionic fern
how do you deal with the battleaxe? just try to stop it every time it tries to c...
I'm pretty sure you can outrange it.
sick sentinel
cant reliably out range it
ionic fern
π
sick sentinel
you dont really have to until its bolstered to the tits
rough egret
In 18 today it did like 60% of my hp
rough egret
But they convinced me to do big pull before Hymdal, was kinda afraid od bolstering there but we managed
Yeah I will take it there next time
Have to do my 17HOV
sick sentinel
there will be a point that last breath with like 8 bolster stack one shots you thru everything
rough egret
Was19 π¦
drifting needle
I'm pretty sure you can outrange it.
Battleaxes got longer arms than spiteful
ionic fern
there will be a point that last breath with like 8 bolster stack one shots you t...
That sounds like bad priority damage.
Keep Thunder interrupted, nuke drake.
sick sentinel
That sounds like bad priority damage.
nah they removed the heal on melee trash now its not realistic to kill dragon first
you could do it before because the melee mob healed themselves
ionic fern
Idk, we just did it in a 21.
drifting needle
Can CC a thunder caller also to make it a tad less hectic but fully sending and banging drake as prio is all g
rough egret
Yeah we CCβd one
dense ledge
We timed it, but i guess i should do some bigger pulls after bird boss, we went ...
I yoinked this route from andybrew, worked really good, but last pull before bossi I split up in 2 since I didn't trust
sick sentinel
idk i guess my dps lied to me then
drifting needle
We do similar in 23, will see how 24 looks tomorrow
sick sentinel
but dragon has like 2* the hp so idk
rough egret
I yoinked this route from andybrew, worked really good, but last pull before bos...
Ty, i did the bridge in my route
drifting needle
Just need better funnel/priority damage into drake, dps be lying
dense ledge
those pulls are super comfy there
I tried doing left + right textbook packs and it was always a mess
ionic fern
I tried doing left + right textbook packs and it was always a mess
Assign interrupts, use a defensive on pull.
And you gucci.
rough egret
We were doing 9, and mid fight dudu moonfired 11 π
dense ledge
eww
drifting needle
Yeh we grab it with lust and use stops for axe/books and kick surges
dense ledge
how do you ahve lust there? do you shroud there and do it as first pull?
drifting needle
Yup
dense ledge
ah
ionic fern
We had a wipe on HoV first pull on a 23 because Arcane mage said "I CAN'T INTERRUPT WHEN I BURST!!!!".
rough egret
π
drifting needle
If no shroud I tend to go tree first
dense ledge
the first pull in hov my biggest enemy has been thundering
ionic fern
Mine's been arcane mages apparently.
drifting needle
edgy spear
arcane mage is high risk meh reward
rough egret
Mine was trust on intereupts π
dense ledge
if you invite a mage you accepte the affix it comes with
edgy spear
On average I have more luck with frost mages.
eager phoenix
brain dmg
ionic fern
I rarely see mages. π¦
rough egret
Last time i gave a mage shot to my group, he went fire
ionic fern
Usually all monks/rogues/DH's.
rough egret
So kinda poopy
blazing condor
i love metaslavinfg
edgy spear
Last time i gave a mage shot to my group, he went fire
He'll do omega burst for one boss pull, for some reason, and then proceed not to do anything for the rest of the key
rough egret
I had a lock in COS, that was eating every hit during the run, and aleays complaining that out healer is not healing but dpsing
But he was the only one loosing health..
edgy spear
Burning rush?
rough egret
Something else was burning there π
But i made a fury war happy in that run
He got the stone π
He didnt even reply to the standard question, Do you need??
Insta hs π
ionic fern
Do you already have it?
rough egret
No
rough egret
He looted it
blazing condor
sometimes the best way to help yourself
ionic fern
Oh.
blazing condor
is to help someone else
ionic fern
Smh.
ionic fern
sometimes the best way to help yourself
No.
rough egret
But I was there
ionic fern
Not in a pug.
rough egret
You know
blazing condor
cranky mwahi
rough egret
I saw it
ionic fern
The only way to be successful in a pug is to do everything yourself.
rough egret
I saw the stone
ionic fern
DPS too mongs.
ionic fern
onyx vessel
jagged pier
ionic fern
Council is a heavy "stupid parsing build" fight.
craggy pilot
so ITF i guess π
craggy pilot
can i have 100% SB with ITF without Bolster?
jagged pier
why would u need it
craggy pilot
but brood if your brood tank
oh HR for brood, thats a good shout ty
jagged pier
u arent tanking all the time
ionic fern
We've honestly only swapped Opal.
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
and its the second boss
jagged pier
i mean i usually tank them all
cause damage
but its boss 2
its not supposed to hurt
craggy pilot
is the timer of the fire debuff off? like it doesnt stack up infinite?
jagged pier
I mean this is where i tanked all 4 last time with ITF and ED and Bulwark
craggy pilot
lol
viral merlin
Hi guys I was wondering, should I upgrade my shield or my weapon first. They are both 405 ilvl and i can upgrade one at 418 (405.19 ilvl)
woeful trellis
Shield π‘οΈ
viral merlin
Shield π‘οΈ
Thx !
craggy pilot
hmm, 80k dps on Council π€
wtf top parsing PWarr on Council has 3 tanks in the grp π€£
rough egret
Ill do shiled this week too, so I dont have to open in prot but fury π
viral merlin
Shield π‘οΈ
Upgrade the shield is better than the lariat right ?
blazing condor
yes