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sterile bough
oak echo
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oh. ez

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thanks

somber shell
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tank challenge is hard, I did it on prot paladin but it took over 100 pulls back in december when it came out a year ago or whatever

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yep this has been FUCKING me and my resto shaman friend, I keep falling over on the tree, stacks go to like 70+... took a couple runs before I realized what was going on (poison cleanse totem ticks and removes a single dot off the staack, not the whole stack 🤨 )

oak echo
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it's easier now for sure in terms of the damage check but it's all about learning all the mechanics and saving certain abilities for the right things

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yeah when it ticks you for 350k on fort 🙃

somber shell
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@oak echo I think if I had a better PUG on those attempts we failed, if people were CC'ing the adds with stuns beyond my shockwave, or helping me kite, I could have lived it... but no

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need dispel

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was a +17 I think

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my healer acted like I was doing something wrong at first.. I was so confused 😉

sterile bough
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what is mage tower even

somber shell
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Like, I thought I was supposed to be invincible as a prot warriro! That's why I'm FOTM!

somber shell
sterile bough
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u are to physical dmg

oak echo
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yeah just never go in there without a pally monk or druid lol

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even the dps specs can get poison dispel for all 3 pretty sure

somber shell
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y'know

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Probably didn't even have the talent specced

somber shell
# sterile bough what is mage tower even

if you haven't at least seen the mage tower, check it out, the mogs are pretty sweet and it is not easy (or it wasn't when I did it in SL), it's scaled to be the most challenging single player content in the game

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if you do all 6 tower challenges (various class/spec combos required) you get a very cool magic tome mount

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just don't pay chinese boosters to do it for you... 😉 they banned a bunch of ppl for 6 months who did

sick sentinel
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Brutal vitality or Fueled by violance with is the way to go now when BV got nerfed

jagged pier
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BrV

quartz pond
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Is there some tech to survive the first pull of hov when dragon starts getting bolsters? On 21+

neat sable
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run

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if you do big pulls on bolstering week you gotta kite

jagged pier
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focus dragon

quartz pond
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Can u outrange the breath?

oak echo
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yeah it's like 25 yds

quartz pond
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So leap

oak echo
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just leap backwards and don't let it swing to your dps

quartz pond
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Or grip

turbid shuttle
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get a soulstone

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and tell group to funnel off the dragon so they die close to together

oak echo
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ya

turbid shuttle
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save some personals for the end

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or this happens to you

neat sable
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your dragon should have staggered you

quartz pond
sick sentinel
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I've got a 392 crafted shield and 4 more sparks (relatively new warrior alt that's finally getting some gear ~386 ilvl) - what would. Lariat next? Belt? 1h weapon? I can get it to 405 since i've got the primal focus

quartz pond
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Embellishes are all about the same

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Lariat is cool though

neat sable
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bracer and lariat imo for your embel slots

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rest doesnt matter craft weapon and shield after that lowest pieces

reef holly
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What % do you need again before going up escalator in HoV?

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84%?

oak echo
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83.7 to be specific ya

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226 count

reef holly
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Ty sir

sick sentinel
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Also - is it really only like HOV/COS for gloves?

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Feels real bad.

strong forum
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M+ loot is a myth

oak echo
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SBG as well has haste/crit

sick sentinel
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and SBG* yeah

strong forum
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Currently Im wearing only 2 pieces from m+

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Shitty random bracers

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And a helmet

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Everything else is crafted or from vault/raid

sick sentinel
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I've still got shitty 359 gloves on...

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Guess I could craft something higher

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i dunno how, i tried AV 12, and there wasnt alot of deaths

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but we didn't time

sterile bough
turbid shuttle
turbid shuttle
reef holly
cinder storm
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I ran AV 20 last night, went over time 2 mins, 2 dps were a bit low but a cleaner run would've timed it, that and RLP are the dungeons I've run the least but the nerfs are quite noticeable, still hate those two keys

sick sentinel
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ugh, i did a log just now, and its pretty ugly

tulip kelp
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RLP seems free this week if you don’t do stupid shit

sick sentinel
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its called, 77% block and apparently 43 VO casts on TC

severe fractal
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dude, when the shard guys get the bolstering and your team doesnt kick (after you ran out of cc) those shards hurt alot

tulip kelp
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I mean nothing wrong with using VO on TC if you got a big pack

turbid shuttle
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You can do a lot of double pulls in AV. 1st ring. 2nd ring (if you don't skip it) Whole room after 2nd boss. Every pull in 2nd boss room can be doubled. Gotta pull aggressive and press your buttons.

severe fractal
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and after that skip from second boss over the ledge to third boss

sick sentinel
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if thats even visiblee

severe fractal
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saves you all the frogs part

reef holly
sick sentinel
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their key

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warlock who got yeeted twice

reef holly
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Still

sick sentinel
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thats not a great example of my work, but it is live and unfiltered

reef holly
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5 icy bindings went un-kicked?

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Brutal

turbid shuttle
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as tank always focus icy binding mob and kick it yourself. it's the only super important kick in those packs. let dps get whatever else.

sick sentinel
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i am totally in progession mode for AV and cos

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HOV i basically mastered

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kill mystics and thunder dudes, wow, much hard

reef holly
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Yeah you have to get your run down so you don’t go over/under count

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I feel like HoV next time I do it I will need a rogue

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To skip the center mobs-take up too much time

sick sentinel
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im not a paladin main but i don't feel like these are correct somehow

bold turret
oak echo
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i would hope most people that do keys at any remotely serious level have invis pots

reef holly
bold turret
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Depending on lvl (15+) I’d expect it

turbid shuttle
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honestly even up to 20s I don't see invis pots commonly in pugs

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there aren't a ton of stealth skips used this season, so people don't carry them

oak echo
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either way yes skipping all sentinels in the dungeon is a A tier choice

turbid shuttle
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in high keys in SL, stealth skips were super common in many dungeons, so everyone always had them

sick sentinel
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i got 1000 healing potions rank 3 now

turbid shuttle
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maybe as it becomes more common in the meta routes people will start carrying them

sick sentinel
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so, i wont run out for another 3 months or so

oak echo
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yeah true

turbid shuttle
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I always pull the 1 patting sentinal in HoV because I don't want to deal with the risk of him getting ass pulled. it's annoying, but the timer isn't so tight anymore and you can afford it

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usually I try to chain him in once the casters are dead in the 1st double pull after heimdall

devout parcel
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is it only me or something happened with shield transmogs since new patch? none of my shields are appearing, only my main hand

turbid shuttle
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I think if I were trying to do 24 HoV I'd have to come up with a route around him, but even up to 20 it's fine so far

sick sentinel
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i beat the paladin in healing

strong forum
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Happens to all offhands

devout parcel
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thanks

sick sentinel
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protip if you want something to be mogged on another character and you only recently acquired the mog in question (some weapon or shield), so what youi do is you equip the item and then you log out

candid coral
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sorry im late to the party, can someone share any new M+ builds for prot?

strong forum
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There aren't any new builds

sick sentinel
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and then you immediately get the appearance across account

strong forum
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But if you're looking for builds, I've compiled a few in pins

robust lark
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You guys taught me not to be in defensive stance a couple days ago. I pugged a normal raid today and was running logs just for my own improvement, and noticed my warrior co-tank grey parsing at like 4%. I dm'd him and asked if he was in defensive stance and he replied "Yes." ...as if it were a stupid question, obviously he's in defensive stance. So I suggested battle stance and assured him I wasn't trolling him.

He parsed 9% on the next pull but hey oh boy he was trying. I think.

strong forum
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Any progress is good progress

robust lark
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I'm just happy I could spread the good info

cinder storm
sick sentinel
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asmon chain wiping to mythic eranog

robust lark
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just got a g600, about to go screw up all my hotbars. pray for me

finite scarab
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gotta learn to stop being a pussy anything above like a 17 this week im just in dstance if not on boss

lament zealot
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Am I crazy or did reflecting 1st and last boss in Azure get nerfed?

whole vortex
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I am the healer now okayge

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18 HoV

cinder storm
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After getting 4pc my healing has gone down once my disc priest got hers and got buffed keks

dusky canopy
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guys quick question are you able to simply walk by the purifier pack in front of the two sentinels before bridge in HOV?

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in the middle there

gritty swallow
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Yep

trim bay
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you can invis skip the 2 sentinals as well

dusky canopy
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sweet that makes it ez to not do it then

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yeah im talking for pug

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i try not to plan invis

trim bay
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respect

surreal lake
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trinket any good from the new event? - fresh lvl 70 have 360 ivl atm

turbid shuttle
lament zealot
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Was it not reflecting dmg back before? It just prevents debuff now. Maybe it always did and my weakaura for it isn't showing anythign reflectign anymore

turbid shuttle
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I honestly don't recall if it ever did damage back. I just know I didn't take damage. It's probably documented in that sheet in the pins

restive lagoon
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Guys, I know the food embellishment does not count in the limitation
But if I craft lariat and frostfire belt, i'll get to the 2 embel limit, right ?
I can't craft them and the fang on weapon ?

steel mauve
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Correct

lofty widget
restive lagoon
dusky canopy
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hows all totem vs rumbling?

gaunt musk
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Hey, is is normal, when i copy a build. i get no stance/dont even have it skilled?

sick sentinel
gaunt musk
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lel ty

reef holly
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Trying out new route in HOV- you guys tank all the bears at once and kite them constantly?

mortal brook
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small backpedal is sufficient to dodge their rending claw and crunch armor

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like half the stuff in hov

round pendant
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Worth upgrading a 6/13 stat prio wrist that has a socket?

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🤔

cinder storm
mortal brook
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7 bears, 5 ox hmmNod

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fun pull

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melee will hate you

sick sentinel
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are the pull sizes normal here, or dps is low

slow token
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frosted or fierce for pants?

sick sentinel
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i wonder if i just severely under pulled

slow token
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also play fury

weary verge
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So I have a 411 Grieftorch, a 395 Charged Scale and just got a 392 Ruby Shell that I can push to 402... Would I run the Grief Torch and the Ruby shell over the scale?

rough egret
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Yes

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2xdps trinket is more than 1x

slow token
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Also frozen devotion for raid?

rustic pagoda
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general stat question:
Haste DR is 30% irrc, and with Into the Fray, i can get +10% haste. this does not affect % per haste if im under 30% haste without ItF correct? i get full value for haste up to 30% regardless of ItF?

sterile bough
lofty widget
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% gains like ITF have no effect on the stat tax

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that's why we say go haste until 40 % before any buffs

warm plinth
sick sentinel
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Why do I feel so squishy in RLP?

rustic pagoda
warm plinth
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Nope. If you hover over haste in your character sheet, you'll see the rating with a % next to it. That number would have to be 30% before DR would apply but even then, only rating would DR, not percentage gains like ItF

sterile bough
sick sentinel
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Ruby life pools on the second floor

sterile bough
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u need to stun the big casts

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that hit tank

cloud umbra
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i do have like 50% with full buff + itf and it sometimes feels like maybe i statted too much into it. 32% baseline

sick sentinel
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alright thanks

sterile bough
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flame sth

sick sentinel
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is the plater m+ profile out for df s1 / s2?

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it has all the mobs that cast important shit be purple and i can make them based on aggro colors, but if its not updated screw it

weary verge
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Follow up question... I only really do M+... Am i still going for ST on the Ruby Shell?

rustic pagoda
# sick sentinel Ruby life pools on the second floor

the flamedancers (?) have an aoe ability that does pretty solid damage to everyone, you can usually use the bombs they apply to stun it, or you can just shock/storm bolt it to cancel. only 1 group has 2 in it, so its pretty easy to control by yourself

sick sentinel
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yes, yogi is trying to improve, there is limited time ice mount i want

unborn forge
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Resto druid only heals me. Through hots on the 3rs of Jade Temple. Apperently I have to look up why I died okayge

drifting fable
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there isnt a unified plater profile just find one you like on wago

woven trellis
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how much lvl can u do nowadays with professions?

rotund dew
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Did they removed a lot of spell reflectable stuff? Like RLP endboss and stormdrake I cant reflect

turbid shuttle
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you could never reflect rlp endboss to my recollection

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maybe in beta

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stormdrake I also don't recall ever reflecting

deep spruce
cloud umbra
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its 400k i think now

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exp

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so 69-70

rotund dew
cloud umbra
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stormslam is spell blockable

smoky agate
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good evening guys, question. Is it worth downgrading ilvlwise to get 4set? thanks in advance

winged turret
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Hey guys. I started prot warrior this season because I’m a slut for FOTM tanks. I think I’m bad. Every warrior I know is like “oh I just basically don’t take damage, I just spam all my damage spells and don’t die” however at 394 ilvl in 12s I get myself into some pretty spooky situations. I keep shield block up at all times and try to always have ignore pain up (I don’t have 4pc) but it still feels like I’m taking more damage than most other prot warriors. Does 4pc make that much of a difference for survivability or is this pretty much entirely a skill issue?

cloud umbra
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do you have a log?

rotund dew
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does someone know if the welps in RLP buff each other? Do they buff anything?

steel mauve
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no, more than likely its your play, you may think you're keeping defensives up, but that may not be the case, or other abilities that could be used, in the pins it even states more times than not, its a play style issue over a gear issue

warm plinth
rotund dew
winged turret
# cloud umbra do you have a log?

I’m planning on running with some guildies tomorrow for practice and plan on logging them. Just curious about the usage of ignore pain because most guides I’ve looked at put no emphasis on it, almost as if it’s not worth using.

cloud umbra
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shield block 100% is more important

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IP extra rage'

turbid shuttle
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never give up SB for IP (there are maybe 1 or 2 exceptions to this, like maybe 1st boss RLP on high tyran)

winged turret
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Yeah, I definitely don’t. I keep SB at ALL times. I’m assuming that I probably just think I’m rotating shield wall and last stand better than I am so I’ll keep a better eye on that.

cloud umbra
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or some bosses that dont even melee i think the 2nd temple doesnt right?

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but still keep it up for dam

turbid shuttle
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with talents shield wall is like 1 min cooldown. just send it any time you don't think you need it for something important soon.

toxic pewter
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You run itf or hr?

turbid shuttle
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almost everyone runs hr

toxic pewter
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I hope hr for the new guy

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That’s prob his problem to be honest

winged turret
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What are those?

toxic pewter
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Into the fray or heavy repercussions

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Need to go practice on tanking dummy

winged turret
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Uhhh pretty sure I’m running into the fray. Shit. Probably not HR.

toxic pewter
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Go to dummy and just sit there

winged turret
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Uhhhhhhhhh need to change that when I get home

turbid shuttle
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HR also gives better rage economy

toxic pewter
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In my opinion hr will be better for you to start on

turbid shuttle
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well I dunno, maybe the haste makes up the diff

toxic pewter
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I think for a new person HR is better personally though

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Especially one struggling with defensiveness

turbid shuttle
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yeah I rethought it after I wrote it. I could see the haste giving you more casts to make it up. I dunno.

winged turret
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I’ll definitely look at that and run some logs soon. I’m pretty sure I don’t have any issues keeping shield block up at all.

steel mauve
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HR is default for m+, and i think its a toss up on raids, but itf might pull ahead

toxic pewter
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Most people still run itf in m+

winged turret
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But every bit helps.

toxic pewter
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I think it’s greedy to be honest but it’s the reality

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Yeah but here we have a new individual who says he’s taking tons of damage

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Really need to go to dummy and stay there

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Also with how much you say you have shield block up 100% the logs will show exactly what the situation is

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I have a sneaking suspicion it’s not as high as you may think

turbid shuttle
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many people say they have shield block 100%

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ya

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get a log and check % of blocked hits

ashen plank
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Hello, someone have the WA for the 2P of War prot pls ?

steel mauve
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i made a very basic one that just shows it up, the duration and glows

turbid shuttle
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personally I wouldn't even track it. keep the noise off your screen

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you press revenge naturally. you're never going to make a decision off of it

last nova
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just got my first con primal infusion, what's the first thing people upgrade to 418? lariat or weapon?

steel mauve
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shield

ocean prairie
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how is idol of the dreamers as a trinket? it sims pretty well for me

last nova
turbid shuttle
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shield is a pwar's most important item by far

ocean prairie
steel mauve
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^

last nova
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ok thanks

toxic pewter
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Shield it up baby

last nova
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i was thinking lariat>weapon>shield.

steel mauve
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best defensive increase is shield, best offensive increase is weapon, then any thing else really as they are close

toxic pewter
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If not shield def weapon

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Lariat third

last nova
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ok thanks guys

toxic pewter
turbid shuttle
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if you mythic raid I think you can skip crafting shield, bc the raid shield is easy to get

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I don't raid though so not sure

last nova
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i don't mythic raid i'm hard stuck 406

steel mauve
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if you mythic raid then its kinda up to you i guess, but shield is our most important slot, followed by weapon, so take that as you will

turbid shuttle
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def shield then

last nova
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trying to brak the 410

ocean prairie
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make sure to craft 5 items then

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that's the quickest way to increase ilvl

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something like shield, weapon, lariat, frostfire belt

last nova
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yeah i'm at the point just farming 16+ keys now

cloud umbra
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you can get your ilvl up without mythic raiding just takes time

toxic pewter
last nova
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405

toxic pewter
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Yah 418 gonna feel more tanky

last nova
toxic pewter
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Dang nice you have an icon

round pendant
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I wonder, is it worth spamming some low CoS keys so I can get a whetstone and then upgrade it with valor?

turbid shuttle
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yeah just spam 16-18 for primals and get upgrades on those crafted pieces. you'll replace the cloak and belt along the way. your gear is fine.

toxic pewter
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I want one

toxic pewter
round pendant
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I've not spent a single valor so far

toxic pewter
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But court not the hardest one of all time either

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But yeah I mean seems reasonable to me

last nova
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yeah pretty lucky

round pendant
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yeah but I don't have the rating to get into 16+ groups

toxic pewter
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Valor often best spent on trinkets anyway

turbid shuttle
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if you can't get in to 16s you have better items to spend valor on than a 5/13 whetstone

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just imo

west swallow
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new record!! tanked my first 9+

toxic pewter
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Grats

steel mauve
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can do all +12's and get ksm i believe, should be enough

cinder storm
last nova
west swallow
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thanks!

warm plinth
round pendant
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by low I mean like, 12s lol

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but ye I guess it's a lil costly

warm plinth
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That's still 7 levels I think?

toxic pewter
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Yah I mean it’s possible you won’t even replace the whetstone, meanwhile valor gonna be uncappped eventually anyway

warm plinth
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So 2800 valor

toxic pewter
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I say just do it yolo

last nova
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I had a really bad CoS 13 run about 4 weeks ago and I haven't been back since.

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still have to overcome that demon

toxic pewter
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Yah honestly court can be either really easy or everything just goes to hell lmao

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It’s a very tilting dungeon

last nova
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well everything went to shit

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and 4 weeks ago i was much lesser geared

toxic pewter
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Yah when it goes to shit it’s hard to like bounce back in there

pallid quiver
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someone send help

i went to gear up an alt and i forgot about primal chaos

last nova
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i'm still that ilvl 393 prot warrior in my head in CoS

toxic pewter
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Yah just gotta collect those they’re not account wide

last nova
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PTSD

pallid quiver
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is mythic+ the fastest way

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i dunno i just got them on war

sick sentinel
toxic pewter
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Yeah probably

sick sentinel
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anyone tried these in keys

last nova
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no heroic raiding is the quickest

toxic pewter
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They drop a bunch at end of dungeon

last nova
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10 per boss

toxic pewter
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Oh nice even better

last nova
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or get m+ boosted

pallid quiver
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i'll get on that with my 340 ilvl lock

warm plinth
toxic pewter
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Ah

warm plinth
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Almost universally means doesn't work in dungeons

sick sentinel
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yeah, your right

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im just making bombs

round pendant
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I can do 15 CoS's easily but it depends on the players you get, so I figure it might be worth going ~3 levels down for a chill farm, just costs a bit more valor

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I only really push keys with a friend or two too since I don't really like pugging with all randoms

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I have a question, is the ring that buffs auto attack damage better than an unstable arcane loop? assuming same ilvl

last nova
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sometimes when pugging you high roll some pumpers and get carried, it's rng who you get.

round pendant
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Yeah I love it when you get the pumpers, feels so damn smooth

last nova
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this week doing higher keys, i feel like everything takes ages to die.

round pendant
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Yeah bolstering sucks

toxic pewter
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I like bolstering more than sanguine personally

round pendant
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Somehow in my groups tho the bosses feel like tyrannical lmao

last nova
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it really does, what's the official strategy dealing with bolstering?

round pendant
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Naw I much preferred sanguine, it's entirely in my control

toxic pewter
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Yah Bolstering is a dps affix basically

round pendant
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and it's satisfying trying to position things to never get a sanguine heal

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like stunning the low mob and then pulling the pack

tulip kelp
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Sanguine slows shit down so much, esp with mobs you can’t move

toxic pewter
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I see your points I just dislike sanguine still

round pendant
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That's the one thing with sanguine, casters and channelers

toxic pewter
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Good dpsers make bolstering a lot better

round pendant
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Nothing makes me tilt more than when I've used my interrupt and no one will interrupt the caster that's just sitting in the sanguine lmao

toxic pewter
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Yah mega frustrating

last nova
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I personally hate storming because it increases my APM, after 2 m+ i feel tired

round pendant
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meh unless you're near an edge just ignore it

quartz brook
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Yo guys, can someone translate me those ? What does SW/SR/Spell Block/DS/IP IV/LS/Healthpot

round pendant
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Shield Wall, Spell Reflect, Spell Block, Demoralizing Shout, Ignore Pain, Impending Victory

last nova
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shield wall spell reflect spell block disrupting shot, ignore pain, last stand

toxic pewter
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I like storming more than explosive

round pendant
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and Last Stand yeah

last nova
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i got one wrong

quartz brook
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Ty all of you

steel mauve
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demo shout, not disrupting

last nova
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demo shout makes more sense

round pendant
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I probably shouldn't do this, but with Storming I just sit in the tornados to despawn em

last nova
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i like necrotic 😈

turbid shuttle
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bolstering is still a tank affix in many ways. it affects the way you pull

round pendant
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Yeah, it affects it as in

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makes it unfun

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and slow

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shit affix

toxic pewter
turbid shuttle
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bolstering is a fine affix

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it's way less painful than sanguine

last nova
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i try to resposition the mobs to help my dps in storming but it's making my hands tired, playing.

round pendant
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just step in them instead peepoHappy

last nova
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should tank move or dps dodge?

turbid shuttle
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eat the storms yourself

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one hit = despawn

last nova
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i never thought about that

round pendant
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it tickles

#

Just don't do it near a ledge or something as you might get yeeted off

last nova
#

it's the opposite of don't standi n the fire

full venture
#

Sanguine makes me want to reroll bdk

steel mauve
#

or do and test your charge/heroic leap skills

turbid shuttle
#

just play with a uhdk and get the best of both worlds

round pendant
#

Sometimes the leap just doesn't work because it can't find a path

#

pretty annoying

toxic pewter
#

Do you guys run bounding stride

#

Yes or no

#

Go

round pendant
#

Nah

#

Tried it, much prefer 1 sec less cooldown on shield slam

toxic pewter
#

Interesting

prime sphinx
#

why not both

#

i dont take stormbolt

toxic pewter
#

Shield slams reset pretty often though

last nova
#

that is intersting

round pendant
full venture
round pendant
#

stormbolt is SO GOOD

steel mauve
#

stormbolt is god tier

toxic pewter
#

Yah I cannot see myself not taking stormbolt

#

In any dungeon

full venture
#

Fr

round pendant
#

I use it way too much

last nova
#

aye stormbolt does 350 damage at rank 3

turbid shuttle
#

I wouldn't take the 1s off shield slam. you get it back from resets mostly, not from natural cd

#

stormbolt is 100% required in m+

toxic pewter
#

If anything the 1 second off pummel is more useful than the 1 second off shield slam

turbid shuttle
#

it's a nice talent there's just too much other good stuff

toxic pewter
#

Yah I don’t run it

turbid shuttle
#

side arm, titanic throw, pain and gain, intim shout, bounding stride. pick 3.

reef holly
#

Just has a terrible 16 HoV- pulled all the bulls and pretty much all the stags got pulled somehow. The shaman in group thinks his fire elemental pulled them all…

round pendant
#

1 second off pummel is nice too

turbid shuttle
#

also sometimes you want intervene, so take one out of those

toxic pewter
turbid shuttle
#

titanic throw is a sleeper pick imo. i love it.

toxic pewter
#

What you use it on

#

I’ve never run it

turbid shuttle
#

multi-pack pulling

last nova
#

use it on ras

toxic pewter
#

Interesting

turbid shuttle
#

also just pre-throw it before charge for extra snap threat

steel mauve
#

ive heard it brought up on ras, havnt tried yet though

toxic pewter
#

Oh is that the one that hits multiple mobs

prime sphinx
#

ras for what

steel mauve
#

apparently its pretty solid on adds with the shield

last nova
#

it crits for like alot

turbid shuttle
#

I don't raid so can't speak for ras, but in m+ it's just a nice QoL thing

last nova
#

on ras

#

5X damage to shield

prime sphinx
#

thats wrecking throw

last nova
#

sorry yeah

#

that one

steel mauve
#

ah ok, i havent taken either so i couldnt remember

turbid shuttle
#

a lot of the time when you multi-pack pull, you hammer 1 mob out of a pack then charge the second. any stray healing aggro will yank the mobs

round pendant
#

Does titanic throw replace heroic throw?

turbid shuttle
#

if your hammer hits all, you don't have to worry about that

toxic pewter
#

Titanic throw seems cool and all I just don’t know what I would drop for it

turbid shuttle
#

I don't take intim shout or improved leap

#

or the pummel talent

toxic pewter
#

Ok I may try it tomorrow

#

Just to see how it feels

last nova
#

give back shield bash

turbid shuttle
#

I do sometimes think intim shout would be nice, but I have shockwave, stormbolt, shield charge, kick, and aoe shout (another slightly off meta pick) so I'm okay wiht it

last nova
#
  • pummel
round pendant
#

That's what makes prot pretty fun imo

toxic pewter
round pendant
#

You can go off meta if you enjoy it and still be hella good

turbid shuttle
#

every prot talent is good. i would take them all if I could

#

only class that seems true for

round pendant
#

I've been considering Disrupting Shout

#

especially for CoS

turbid shuttle
#

I really really like disrupting shout

#

I come from vdh though, so I'm spoiled with silence

round pendant
#

I miss my prot paladin for silence lmao

#

That class makes pulling casters and stuff in dungeons braindead easy

#

particularly good for RLP

last nova
#

i only use disrupting shout for dathea heroic and the corrider after 1st boss in SBG

turbid shuttle
#

first couple pulls in AV, I'd MUCH MUCH rather do on vdh than pwar

round pendant
#

The lashers are evil

turbid shuttle
#

silence soooo good for those lashers

#

I use disrupting shout multiple times every dungeon. I think the only one I don't run it anymore is TJS because there's so much other stuff I think I need (to live 3rd boss and last trash pack)

round pendant
#

I literally still don't know what to do with that trash pack

#

shield wall, spell block, die

turbid shuttle
#

wall -> spell block -> wall -> last stand

round pendant
#

I kite and my dps whine about not being able to hit the mobs

turbid shuttle
#

focus the haunting sha so it doesn't fervent

#

there's a little trick also. if you shockwave like 3-4s in to the pull, the mobs will sync up their dark glare and you can reflect them all

#

after that, you wall -> spell block -> wall -> last stand, and by then stuff will be dead or close to it in anything below like 20+ fortified

#

above that you gotta kite a bit

round pendant
#

how do you wall spell block wall

turbid shuttle
#

double wall talent

round pendant
#

oh, that's an idea

#

Yeah I'm doing that for TJS next time

turbid shuttle
#

imo always take that in TJS, for 3rd boss

round pendant
#

yeah

turbid shuttle
#

also rally the last stand

#

for like 800k hp

#

other little stuff you can do. focus 1 minion (for focus stormbolt) + target a 2nd minion (for normal stormbolt)

round pendant
#

I literally wonder if it's worth equipping my burgeoning seed for that dungeon

#

extra 200k hp too

turbid shuttle
#

I was watching naowh do 24 TJS on VDH running seed

round pendant
#

I don't have any good trinkets tho sadga

slim dove
#

we arent vdh.

#

blow your defensive load then kite.

#

reflect first batch, spell block + wall second batch, shockwave third, call for individual stops to desync casts.

#

can even reflect 4th but gl having them be in sync by then

rustic pagoda
#

does block chance over 100% actually do anything?

turbid shuttle
#

no

#

is it even possible to get >100% block chance

rustic pagoda
#

i have 136% with SB up, and 60-70% uptime on SB

fallen lichen
rustic pagoda
slim dove
#

raid uptime isn't as important.

#

% of blocked hits is key

#

with ITF and no bolster you wont have 100% uptime anyways.

rustic pagoda
#

62% of kurogs melees were blocked. that seems low though, odd

woven trellis
#

is the burgeoning seed a trash trinket

rustic pagoda
#

but my overall melee hit mitigation was 83%

turbid shuttle
sick sentinel
#

lame

#

cant enchant cooking and fishing profession tools

robust lark
#

does anyone use MSBT and have a good prot profile?

#

Trying it out

weary saddle
#

Hunger of the Pack is just a good stat stick right? how is the flat crit relative to the dps trinkets

old rampart
#

how does the strike twice weapon do vs a weapon with fang adornments on it?

inland mesa
#

About half the embellishment, but all embellishments are about 1%, so strike twice .5% but it's free.

sick sentinel
#

some hunter was estatic at the chance to get this

#

so i give it to him

wet crow
#

can i ask a question please, why is it that guides are saying go for tier hands instead of chest when the hands have such poopy stats?

sick sentinel
#

hes the fastest hunter in all the lands now

spark nest
#

Hello, I just uploaded a warrior to level 70, what should I craft first with the 4 sparks?

grizzled kite
#

Lariat, weapons

oak echo
#

Weapon, shield, lariat/vers bracers/frostfire belt. Any 2 of the last 3 are good picks but the belt is only for the raid rings

spark nest
#

tyty

dire kiln
#

hi everyone, hgope you're all having a good day. How do you guys deal with the frontals from the rock guys before AV's first boss?

fluid shard
#

In logs

turbid shuttle
fluid shard
#

Thx

torpid fiber
#

anybody have a good video that showcases how to do the 100% before 2nd boss route in AV

void marten
#

anyone have a route for bolstering week for algethar

#

quick

#

or at least the small trees doesn't bolster right?

hybrid fossil
#

right

torpid fiber
#

how do you skip all the trash after 2nd boss? invis pots and a rogue?

hybrid fossil
#

jump down the outer ring

#

@torpid fiber just go back, and run around the outer ring

fierce phoenix
#

Just jump

#

You can jump from 2nd ring to boss ring after killing second boss

robust lark
#

are you saying you can kill azureblade then double back and jump from that ring down to the 3rd boss?

sick sentinel
reef holly
#

Just had a dps ask if I wanted to do normal route in AV or do the jump. Pulling all the welp adds seems spicy AF

dire kiln
#

it's great, I just don't know how to deal with the frontals tehre

#

they hurt so much

reef holly
#

How’s that second whelp pack on fort tho??

warm plinth
reef holly
oak ivy
#

What's the play for embellishments? Lariat + ?

warm plinth
#

Anything is fine

#

THey all give approximately the same bonus

deft mortar
#

237k shield slam

#

beat it

oak ivy
deft mortar
#

Arms warriors be mad tryna align the stars just to hit less

proud dock
#

just got a 405 whetstone after farming CoS like 100s of times

#

do i cap it out at 13/13 upgrade?

deft mortar
#

You can

#

There is no other way to use valor

#

or reason

reef holly
#

Just saw a video of AV with the skip- pretty cool. Is this what all the top tanks are doing now?

deft mortar
#

KEKW

#

Isn't bait if its facts

bitter ravine
#

TW good to drop in order to get bounding strides for HoV?

marble cipher
proud dock
#

does whetstone split the dmg to mobs hit?

slender hamlet
#

yes

reef holly
#

I think the tank in this vid is world #1

#

Nope #2

vivid lantern
#

I do have a question, i have a lariat and shield with armor spikes and a crafted weapon. I’m not in a mythic raiding guild but do +20 keys. I have a 395 belt. I was thinking of crafting either the frostfire belt or a haste vers belt. I was favouring a haste vers belt because I won’t be getting the two mythic raiding rings. Would this be a mistake?

void marten
#

no

vivid lantern
#

Cool thanks.

slim dove
feral dune
#

is it worth upgrading whetstone or should i do somethin else?

warm plinth
#

I would probably upgrade whetstone

#

What is that screenshot from though 👀

feral dune
#

wym?

#

jsut elvui

grizzled kite
#

I dont have that

feral dune
#

may be from the elvui windtools?

#

not sure

forest tulip
#

I am STRUGGLING this week. and im only doing +11s

strong forum
#

Bolstering fort is nasty

#

Can turn any easy key into a nightmare of getting 1shot

slim dove
#

its not much fun to tank

strong forum
#

Next week will be muuuch easier

slim dove
#

been playing arms, blasting, embarrassing my dps friends

feral dune
#

what is next week

strong forum
#

Or well, all coming weeks will be a breeze compares to current week

#

Next week is quaking explosive I think

slim dove
#

quaking spiteful iirc

strong forum
#

Ah right, spiteful

#

Ye

warm plinth
#

Next week is the idc about anything week

slim dove
#

back to prot to ignore spiteful affix kek

warm plinth
feral dune
#

do the tiny plants in AA bolster on the trash before tree boss?

radiant pewter
#

what gems am i supposed to b e using inside Lariat?

strong forum
feral dune
strong forum
#

I myself am using haste>crit gems in lariat

pallid quiver
#

i use haste/crit too because they're my favorite stats

#

ill fight anyone who says to gem differently

#

robot solves all my other statting decisions around that

jagged igloo
#

kinda find 18 ez compared to last week doe

sick sentinel
#

like, if there is some event that elites pop out through a portal to block path, those do

rough spruce
mortal brook
#

Reflect one, sidestep the other. What frontals

sick sentinel
#

underrott boss 3 was extremely well tuned boss for how the mechanic worked

rough spruce
strong forum
#

For those you need a hard cc rotation

sick sentinel
#

best version of that mechanic

strong forum
#

Those should never be tanked

mortal brook
#

Ah the piercing shards. Yep hard cc

#

Or spellblock e.

#

Its a nature hit/dot

strong forum
#

The dot will still call your mum and tell her that their child isn't gonna make it

rough spruce
#

Boi, that's hard to do with pugs

#

But thanks

strong forum
#

That's why you don't wake them up in pugs

sick sentinel
#

they are NPC

mortal brook
#

But i saw a cool route on a stream

sick sentinel
#

in game of life

rough spruce
rough spruce
mortal brook
#

Guildies that out perform pugs? Im in the wrong guild

last nova
#

when the stars align and you highroll some gamers in your LFG

#

time to get carried

#

as a tank i do the same thing every time but the results vary

#

in M=

#

m+

steel horizon
#

what gems should I put in my lariat

#

vers/haste or haste/vers

sick sentinel
#

you listed the same 2 things, i think

last nova
#

not necessarily

#

there are two type of gems

sick sentinel
#

is there gems like that haste first whatever second (less on the 2nd secondary stat)

steel horizon
#

yeah

sick sentinel
#

i honestly just have a r3 haste gem in there and good to go

steel horizon
#

so +70 haste/33 vers or 70 vers/33 haste im guessing

last nova
#

70 haste

#

haste is great

sick sentinel
#

we like haste

last nova
#

wife says i need more haste stat, she's always shouting faster!

modest gulch
#

what is that site you can run a parse through it and it will tell you where you're fucking up?

#

I just scored a 1 on a Mythic Terros kill for dps parse...

last nova
#

raidbots

modest gulch
#

The literal worst

last nova
#

boosted mate!

steel horizon
#

you got a 1?

void marten
#

i think i underuse ignore pain

mortal brook
#

Wowanalyzer

void marten
#

does anyone have a terros log

mortal brook
void marten
#

that i can compare

last nova
#

i forget i have ignore pain

modest gulch
#

No its my guild I'm just apparently doing really shitty

last nova
#

i deal with my pain issues

modest gulch
last nova
#

tell you're guild that they are 1

#

and they should be glad you even turned up

#

ungrateful bastards!

modest gulch
#

they're not giving me shit, I'm just reading logs haha

#

is there a tldr for analyzing this with raidbots?

last nova
#

soon as you hit a wall, those logs going to come up 😄

#

scapegoated.

modest gulch
#

trying to get ahead of that haha

last nova
#

good luck

slim dove
#

casted avatar 4 times in a 6 minute fight.

modest gulch
#

how can raidbots analyze a log?

slim dove
#

press your buttons bro.

mortal brook
#

Says you arent pressin yer buttons

earnest rampart
steel horizon
earnest rampart
modest gulch
inland mesa
#

You have shield charge talented and didn't cast it once o.O

pallid quiver
#

I casually glanced at casts,

Yeah, you'll want to go ahead and hit a dummy for a bit to get reused to the rotation.

You casted more Revenges than SS, for example

#

You casted IP 2.9 times per minute

#

Demo Shout was only casted 1 over the 2 minutes 26 seconds

rough spruce
pallid quiver
#

2.9 times per minute isn't high; it's abysmally low

#

so he's not ignoring pain

#

he's paying very much attention to the pain

rough spruce
pallid quiver
#

Theeeeere we go

modest gulch
#

more Revenge than SS seems impossible to me holy shit

limber python
#

does anyone have the route for azure where you jump off the ring to skip part of that trash

#

the first ring

pallid quiver
#

45.3 CPM overall is quite low, as well

#

you're aiming for like, 70

mortal brook
#

Lotta downtime yep

slim dove
#

how do you cast shield charge 0 times

pallid quiver
#

Only blocked like 64% of melees, as well; whoever was this Prot Warrior really should take some time at a training dummy to work the rotation into muscle memory

#

There's a few fundamental issues causing a few problems

modest gulch
#

this fucker right?

pallid quiver
#

That's the tank one that will swing at you; if you're not fully comfortable, you might want to sit on one of the DPS dummies

#

So you don't have to worry about also getting swung at

#

Step at a time until the rotation is muscle memory in

modest gulch
#

don't I need to get hit for rage?

inner rock
pallid quiver
#

It's a small amount of your rage gen overall; you currently have bigger fundamental rotation issues than worrying about small rage gains like passive hit rage gen

inner rock
#

the goddamn combat rogue was 402 ilvl

pallid quiver
#

You're missing catching SS resets way too heavily, for example

pallid quiver
pallid quiver
#

A good opener is to Ravager Pre pull -> Charge + Avatar -> SS if ST, TC if AOE -> Demo Shout -> T Roar -> Shield Charge

#

And then go into standard priority rotation of SS > TC > Revenge until a CD comes back up

sick sentinel
#

i hate fighting odyn

woven trellis
#

is burgeoning trinket good at being a defensive trinket

#

i should have asked my question this way i think

sick sentinel
#

if its from av versa burngeoning seed, its mid, unless you are versa nerd

warm plinth
deft mortar
#

wym bruh

#

Odyn has no mechanics

#

tbf nothing in HoV has mechanics

#

Now that I think

#

Most diffi thing is dodging cheeseballs

mighty valley
#

Odyn is annoying with all melee

#

That’s about it

deft mortar
#

bruh lana del ray slaps while running SBG ngl

#

Love when her "born to die" sync with 500k shadow dmg

#

I got azure vault 22

#

Am I about to get slapped

#

Am I aobut to find out

vital oak
#

The 30% haste goal to get 100% shieldblock up time with ITTF instead of HR is without a howling rune on yes?

sick sentinel
#

can someone link me a good AA route

#

22

#

how the fuck do you time this shit

#

7 deaths overall no wipes at all

#

overtime by more than a minute

#

how the fuck do you time this lol

vital oak
#

How aggressively are you pulling?

sick sentinel
#

something like this

vital oak
#

That's actually way more aggressive than I am, strange.

sick sentinel
#

I even did pull #2 with 3

vital oak
#

I assume, vex, tree, craw, end?

sick sentinel
#

no tree vex craw

#

lust tree room packs, vex, craw

mighty valley
#

vex/craw/tree feels like the least walking time

inner rock
#

yay, finally an m+ orange run

sick sentinel
#

is it just the walking time?

mighty valley
#

idk, if everything goes smooth I’ve never had timer trouble in AA

deft mortar
#

I didnt enter AA after the 2nd week

mighty valley
#

though I’ve only done it at 20

deft mortar
#

I am 2.6k and my AA is still at 15 untimed

#

I will hit 3k without entering AA again

vital oak
#

Maybe the bigger pulls are messing with bolstering this week?

sick sentinel
#

idk

#

but like

#

if i pulled smaller

mighty valley
#

yeah overall dps doesn’t tell the whole story, they may be padded by adding a ton of health to the mobs

sick sentinel
#

i assume its just gonna be even slower

mighty valley
#

if pulling bigger is adding more overall hp to the dungeon through bolstering, it might not be

#

but impossible to tell without watching your run

vital oak
#

It was only a 19 but we +2 with this earlier this week.

#

Vex, Tree, Craw, End lust on Vex and Craw.

inner rock
#

How on earth do you guys running 20s and higher manage the last TJS pack? The 16 i just did the first claw with all adds up nearly killed me with shieldwall up.

torn jay
#

Spellblock and run

prime sphinx
#

53k overall in aa fortified tho? kinda low

torn jay
#

Shockwave sync then reflect

inner rock
#

<facepalm> its spell reflectable?

sick sentinel
#

yea i was kiting alot

vital oak
#

The only things I can think of to run away from are the whirling guys near the end, what else were you running from?

warm plinth
#

Don't even have to run away from those guys either

#

Just tank pack 17 on stairs, stand on lower stair

potent anvil
sick sentinel
#

you can just stairs it

warm plinth
#

never get hit

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

its mostly just a bunch of inspired stuff

#

inspired battle axe, inspired birds etc

vital oak
#

Maybe that's the issue then? stuff not dying at the same time?

sick sentinel
#

idk

#

pug team

warm plinth
#

Combine 3 pulls into 2

vital oak
#

He did the lashers and one pack of misquitos he said.

#

On another note, what's the tech to avoid the astral whirls on the stairs? barely los them at the top?

warm plinth
#

No

#

You just pull the pack on to the stairs

#

and stand on a lower stair

#

and they will never hit you with whirlwind

vital oak
#

wow, i'll try that next run, ty.

warm plinth
#

You'll have to deal with the two in the last pack but you can just shockwave one, intim shout second

#

and they should be dead or almost dead by then

vital oak
#

Yeah, it's really that 5 pack (2 groups) that I end up moving away from.

#

I assume the dps are safe on a lower stair as well?

warm plinth
#

Yeah, basically just 1 kick to worry about and it's free otherwise

#

Yep

vital oak
#

beautiful

warm plinth
#

I think I actually have it on video on my baby woyer if that would help

#

but it's hard to mess up tbh

vital oak
#

I feel like your explanation was clear enough, the trick is if I can communicate it to my group 🙂

warm plinth
#

hmmNod well let me know if they need it spelled out and I'll hook you up with the vod 😂

vital oak
#

ty 🙂

mortal brook
hushed harbor
#

is battle scarred veteran good now? I thought i had read before that it was kinda bugged

warm plinth
#

It's still bugged

#

It's still bad

hushed harbor
#

well that is big stinkers

last sinew
#

can anyone help me with this? I THOUGHT I was a great tank. I seem to kick ass all over the place. Right up til I get into an m+12 or higher. I have yet to be able to time one this season when I am tanking and I need to know what I am doing wrong. I am the only warrior tank in my guild so I have no one else I can ask without random, uninvited mail or pst

pallid quiver
#

Your best bet is to send out a log since there's a ton of things that could be causing you to not time a key

sterile stirrup
sweet dagger
#

For welp shell have we found out what's the best way to build it for us?

sterile stirrup
warm plinth
#

stop playign barbaric training

#

I'm gonna have Mwahi change my nickname to that

sweet dagger
#

gotcha hows the haste build?

hard quartz
#

hit IP more

warm plinth
#

I think you mean

#

hit everything more

hard quartz
#

lol

sterile stirrup
#

Keep shield block up 100% of the time in combat and never let mobs hit you from the back

pallid hare
#

Work with your team to not let a single slam go off

deft mortar
#

bruh Ij ust spell reflected a dark claw

#

a single one

#

for 800k dmg

#

???

cedar trench
#

ya easily

deft mortar
#

What if that mf hit me lOL

cedar trench
#

dont let it hit you then

#

🙂

sterile stirrup
#

And 13k dps seems very low for your gear with 4 set, getting very low value from the set bonus

pallid hare
#

Hopefully you would have had wall, block and IP all ready to go

last sinew
pallid hare
#

Those dudes truck

cedar trench
#

13k is like prepatch 60 numbers

deft mortar
#

whats yalls ilvl

#

im sitting 411 atm

deft mortar
#

my crafteds are sadly 410s

reef holly
cedar trench
#

406 no raiding sadga

pallid hare
deft mortar
#

I played with a 417 arms the other day man

#

He maintained 90k single target dps

toxic mesa
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im at 415, still got 398 legs and 405 trinket

deft mortar
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are the 398 legs by any chance pvp gear ? 😄

toxic mesa
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no, just a dungeon drop, havent had luck with 405 leg drops yet

deft mortar
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my shoulder is 398 pvp gear

sterile stirrup
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Also keep IP close to max all the time, so most of not all is literally halfed by it

deft mortar
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Legit wouldnt have another shoulder otherwise

sterile stirrup
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Im 412 missing 2 infusions which will Probably push me to 414 atleast 😄

pallid hare
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^ should def have shield block and a 100k+ IP 100% of the time

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There is very few instances where that should not be the case

deft mortar
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Shield Block is fkn amazing

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30% dmg to shield slam man

cedar trench
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you have 100k IP 100% of the time? Monka

prime sphinx
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had my first spark drop since reset so up to 416

deft mortar
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Once I get 4th set I proba wont even press IP

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unless shit hits the fan

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or rage hits 100

cedar trench
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you will press it but ya its for cap avoidance

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and preemptively for hits

deft mortar
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sittin here at 411

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With 0 raid progress

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and 2 set

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xd

pallid hare
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Unless you are getting slammed in the face by content far harder than a +12 (where he is struggling) it's quite easy to roll CDs to ensure near-max IP outside of the GCD you take a tank buster and need to refresh it

cedar trench
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OH +12 kek ok

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key information was not in my brain

pallid hare
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The guy is asking for advice on a +12

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🙂

last sinew
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it's not that I am dying, everyone else is. I mostly survive just fine

cedar trench
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skill issue from group

last sinew
deft mortar
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yo should I invite an arcane mage

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to HoV 20

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idk fk they do

cedar trench
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oh yea 100% there could be something you're doing wrong positioning, pulls etc

i've been in horror story TJS where the group just chain dies on the tidal burts and i sit there bing chilling

pallid hare
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If other people are dying, that is partially their fault.... But you can help an absolute ton by being very good with interrupts and all of your stuns/fear/incapacitates

toxic pewter
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Arcane mage owns if they know what they’re doin

prime sphinx
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my life the past few days but we finally got whetstone

toxic mesa
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i also got one yesterday, granted with a bit less work than you

last sinew
cedar trench
solar shadow
prime sphinx
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despair man, i think i was like 40ish for haste ring mechagon last xpac

cedar trench
winged turret
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Okay so this isn't much to go on but I just did a 12 to test out some talent choices (switching around a couple of things and going Heavy Repercussions for one thing) and forgot to log it, but I do have my Details screenshot. For reference, in order, the ilvls are 399, 399, 393, 394

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That feels low as fuck, but I was basically trying my hardest to not over cap, I know for a fact I kept SB up almost 100% of the time, was demo shouting constantly, spamming the shit out of revenge, etc

sick sentinel
winged turret
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Still felt low. Down to gear?

sick sentinel
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but yea mb you right

cedar trench
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what dung

last sinew
winged turret
cedar trench
solar shadow
cedar trench
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halls thats probably a bit low

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depends on pulls

winged turret
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They were mostly smallish pulls because bolstering and pugs is oof

solar shadow
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Lust Bridge Pack --> Lust Bird --> Lust big pull before last boss or pull the last pack into boss with lust

toxic mesa
cedar trench
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HR bis

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if it was like 1 pack at a time thats not horrible but yea its kinda low

amber siren
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HR very good in dungeons yep

winged turret
toxic mesa
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well it helps with that, yes

winged turret
cedar trench
toxic mesa
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you arent going to die in a +12 at 400ish prot warrior

winged turret
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I'm running with some very good guildies tomorrow for practice and will try to pull bigger and see how it goes.

toxic mesa
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so dont be scared 😄

winged turret
cedar trench
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if he's anxious and unsure then he can feel how he likes

cedar trench
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everyone's boundaries are different as long as you're pushing them then that's all that matters

winged turret
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Yeah. The whole point is that I'm jealous of the warriors that dumpster everyone on the charts. So I'm trying to get there. Just babysteps.

cedar trench
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Ya, reflect and trinkets are a decent chunk of overall in some dungs too

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like if you dont get dark claw or shadow slash in TJS and CoS you just wont do as much

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same with WS doing like 7% overall

hidden ether
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is it worth buying a quality 3 diamond or does just using a quality 2 and upgrading do the same thing?

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for the neck

prime sphinx
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q2

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anyone crafting lariat can max it with q2 surely

pallid quiver
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The damage gain in AOE from ITF is not nearly enough to justify the block uptime loss

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In addition, it's often less damage on bosses due to not ensuring you can have all 5 stacks up at all times, making the damage gain through a dungeon not even as large as it could be

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The prot wars who are blasting over DPS players:
A. Have their rotation down pat due to actually spending time on training dummies
B. Do pulls of reasonable sizes, so double/triple pulls when you can
C. Play with bad DPS, as all DPS should blow any tank's DPS out of the water

hidden ether
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Is it worth doing haste vers on it?

cedar trench
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haste x stat

pallid quiver
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Either Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers are recommended

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Haste/Mastery could be done if you're missing mastery in the rest of your pieces

hidden ether
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damn got h ate master

cedar trench
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you rngd it?

pallid quiver
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Haste Mastery is fine; you'll just want less mastery on the rest of your gear if possible

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you do still actually need mastery

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Just less of it on average than other stats

warm plinth
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I do this really great thing to remove all of my stress with gearing as a prot warrior

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I just don't care about the secondaries

cedar trench
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ilvl 🙂

warm plinth
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I make them haste/crit when I have the option but otherwise, idgaf

pallid quiver
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Same

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If I ever get same ilvl pieces from RNG, to the robits i go

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tell me sim lords what my future is

warm plinth
toxic mesa
cedar trench
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like i always say, all stats are yummy haste just a little tastier

hidden ether
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I just realized i have 3k crit... ewww

pallid quiver
toxic mesa
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more haste gives you more rage, too

pallid quiver
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If you want to debate that, you should have a chat with Nome

toxic mesa
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alright so why are all top warriors using ITF is HR is so god damn good compared to it?

solar shadow
toxic mesa
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*if

pallid quiver
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You should also ask Nome about listening to "top warriors"

warm plinth
cedar trench
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if your point in an debate is "top warriors" comment is TLDR

warm plinth
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Frankly if your opinion is based on "top warriors", I"m not even gonna argue with you anymore

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cba

cedar trench
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Ya pre much

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if you wanna use that point ill go grab some bs stats from subcreation

toxic pewter
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The HR vs ITF argument is the debate of our lifetime

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I know which camp I am in

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HR BABY

cedar trench
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almost as bad as the SC Charge macro conversation IMO

pallid quiver
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I'm in the camp of listening to people who did the math for me

toxic mesa
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show me a log of warrior using HR overperforming a warrior using ITF

toxic pewter
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Lol here we go

pallid quiver
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Ask Nome for his logs

cedar trench
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i mean the mass doesn't agree with you so i'd ask you to show us where ITF is better

pallid quiver
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like, all of this literally is solved by going to nome

hidden ether
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What gems do I want now that I have Lariat? i heard something about wanting a few differnt types?

toxic pewter
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To be honest I consider ITF to be greedy for not that much dps upside

warm plinth
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Friendly reminder: The person challenging the status quo is the person who has the burden of evidence.

cedar trench
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if you like it bro

toxic mesa
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and the status quo is the data of the top logs, if you want to challenge that, please provide data

cedar trench
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you play it

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ok you say top logs, show us

pallid quiver
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Ask Nome for his logs

cedar trench
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comparative data