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sterile bough
somber shell
tank challenge is hard, I did it on prot paladin but it took over 100 pulls back in december when it came out a year ago or whatever
yep this has been FUCKING me and my resto shaman friend, I keep falling over on the tree, stacks go to like 70+... took a couple runs before I realized what was going on (poison cleanse totem ticks and removes a single dot off the staack, not the whole stack 🤨 )
oak echo
it's easier now for sure in terms of the damage check but it's all about learning all the mechanics and saving certain abilities for the right things
yeah when it ticks you for 350k on fort 🙃
somber shell
@oak echo I think if I had a better PUG on those attempts we failed, if people were CC'ing the adds with stuns beyond my shockwave, or helping me kite, I could have lived it... but no
need dispel
was a +17 I think
my healer acted like I was doing something wrong at first.. I was so confused 😉
sterile bough
what is mage tower even
somber shell
Like, I thought I was supposed to be invincible as a prot warriro! That's why I'm FOTM!
somber shell
what is mage tower even
challenging solo player content that gives unique mogs
sterile bough
u are to physical dmg
oak echo
yeah just never go in there without a pally monk or druid lol
even the dps specs can get poison dispel for all 3 pretty sure
somber shell
yeah just never go in there without a pally monk or druid lol
Yep 😉
somber shell
even the dps specs can get poison dispel for all 3 pretty sure
We had a ret paladin on that 17 I died on... but....
y'know
Probably didn't even have the talent specced
somber shell
what is mage tower even
if you haven't at least seen the mage tower, check it out, the mogs are pretty sweet and it is not easy (or it wasn't when I did it in SL), it's scaled to be the most challenging single player content in the game
if you do all 6 tower challenges (various class/spec combos required) you get a very cool magic tome mount
just don't pay chinese boosters to do it for you... 😉 they banned a bunch of ppl for 6 months who did
sick sentinel
Brutal vitality or Fueled by violance with is the way to go now when BV got nerfed
jagged pier
BrV
quartz pond
Is there some tech to survive the first pull of hov when dragon starts getting bolsters? On 21+
jagged pier
focus dragon
quartz pond
Can u outrange the breath?
oak echo
yeah it's like 25 yds
quartz pond
So leap
oak echo
just leap backwards and don't let it swing to your dps
quartz pond
Or grip
turbid shuttle
get a soulstone
and tell group to funnel off the dragon so they die close to together
oak echo
ya
neat sable
your dragon should have staggered you
quartz pond
or this happens to you
Had a similar experience a few minutes ago
sick sentinel
I've got a 392 crafted shield and 4 more sparks (relatively new warrior alt that's finally getting some gear ~386 ilvl) - what would. Lariat next? Belt? 1h weapon? I can get it to 405 since i've got the primal focus
neat sable
bracer and lariat imo for your embel slots
rest doesnt matter craft weapon and shield after that lowest pieces
reef holly
Ty sir
strong forum
M+ loot is a myth
oak echo
SBG as well has haste/crit
sick sentinel
and SBG* yeah
strong forum
Currently Im wearing only 2 pieces from m+
Shitty random bracers
And a helmet
Everything else is crafted or from vault/raid
sick sentinel
I've still got shitty 359 gloves on...
Guess I could craft something higher
i dunno how, i tried AV 12, and there wasnt alot of deaths
but we didn't time
sterile bough
or this happens to you
thats why we press defensives
turbid shuttle
but we didn't time
Low dps. Or super timid pulling. Or a wipe in a really bad spot (like 2nd boss room)
turbid shuttle
thats why we press defensives
Read the line above that.
reef holly
i dunno how, i tried AV 12, and there wasnt alot of deaths
You really need to send it on that one- pulling 2 packs most of the time
cinder storm
I ran AV 20 last night, went over time 2 mins, 2 dps were a bit low but a cleaner run would've timed it, that and RLP are the dungeons I've run the least but the nerfs are quite noticeable, still hate those two keys
sick sentinel
ugh, i did a log just now, and its pretty ugly
tulip kelp
RLP seems free this week if you don’t do stupid shit
sick sentinel
its called, 77% block and apparently 43 VO casts on TC
severe fractal
dude, when the shard guys get the bolstering and your team doesnt kick (after you ran out of cc) those shards hurt alot
tulip kelp
I mean nothing wrong with using VO on TC if you got a big pack
turbid shuttle
You can do a lot of double pulls in AV. 1st ring. 2nd ring (if you don't skip it) Whole room after 2nd boss. Every pull in 2nd boss room can be doubled. Gotta pull aggressive and press your buttons.
severe fractal
and after that skip from second boss over the ledge to third boss
sick sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tBLavPyzGcJ3YfwQ/#fight=last how to trigger pwar discord, yogi posts a log
if thats even visiblee
severe fractal
saves you all the frogs part
reef holly
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tBLavPyzGcJ3YfwQ/#fight=last how to trigger...
Where did you find these dps players
reef holly
Still
sick sentinel
thats not a great example of my work, but it is live and unfiltered
turbid shuttle
as tank always focus icy binding mob and kick it yourself. it's the only super important kick in those packs. let dps get whatever else.
sick sentinel
i am totally in progession mode for AV and cos
HOV i basically mastered
kill mystics and thunder dudes, wow, much hard
reef holly
Yeah you have to get your run down so you don’t go over/under count
I feel like HoV next time I do it I will need a rogue
To skip the center mobs-take up too much time
sick sentinel
im not a paladin main but i don't feel like these are correct somehow
bold turret
I feel like HoV next time I do it I will need a rogue
Or run invis pot
oak echo
i would hope most people that do keys at any remotely serious level have invis pots
reef holly
Or run invis pot
Yeah but then everyone-or at least healer will need one
reef holly
i would hope most people that do keys at any remotely serious level have invis p...
Would “hope” so too
bold turret
Depending on lvl (15+) I’d expect it
turbid shuttle
honestly even up to 20s I don't see invis pots commonly in pugs
there aren't a ton of stealth skips used this season, so people don't carry them
oak echo
either way yes skipping all sentinels in the dungeon is a A tier choice
turbid shuttle
in high keys in SL, stealth skips were super common in many dungeons, so everyone always had them
sick sentinel
i got 1000 healing potions rank 3 now
turbid shuttle
maybe as it becomes more common in the meta routes people will start carrying them
sick sentinel
so, i wont run out for another 3 months or so
oak echo
yeah true
turbid shuttle
I always pull the 1 patting sentinal in HoV because I don't want to deal with the risk of him getting ass pulled. it's annoying, but the timer isn't so tight anymore and you can afford it
usually I try to chain him in once the casters are dead in the 1st double pull after heimdall
devout parcel
is it only me or something happened with shield transmogs since new patch? none of my shields are appearing, only my main hand
turbid shuttle
I think if I were trying to do 24 HoV I'd have to come up with a route around him, but even up to 20 it's fine so far
sick sentinel
i beat the paladin in healing
strong forum
is it only me or something happened with shield transmogs since new patch? none ...
Is a bug, once you enter combat it comes back
Happens to all offhands
devout parcel
thanks
sick sentinel
protip if you want something to be mogged on another character and you only recently acquired the mog in question (some weapon or shield), so what youi do is you equip the item and then you log out
candid coral
sorry im late to the party, can someone share any new M+ builds for prot?
strong forum
There aren't any new builds
sick sentinel
and then you immediately get the appearance across account
strong forum
But if you're looking for builds, I've compiled a few in pins
candid coral
But if you're looking for builds, I've compiled a few in pins
ty
robust lark
You guys taught me not to be in defensive stance a couple days ago. I pugged a normal raid today and was running logs just for my own improvement, and noticed my warrior co-tank grey parsing at like 4%. I dm'd him and asked if he was in defensive stance and he replied "Yes." ...as if it were a stupid question, obviously he's in defensive stance. So I suggested battle stance and assured him I wasn't trolling him.
He parsed 9% on the next pull but hey oh boy he was trying. I think.
strong forum
Any progress is good progress
robust lark
I'm just happy I could spread the good info
cinder storm
I think if I were trying to do 24 HoV I'd have to come up with a route around hi...
You can skip him in any key level, as long as you hug wall and don't pull adds where he's standing, haven't had an issue since I started doing it except that one time where I was waiting it to move after Valkyr boss and huntard ninja pulled it
sick sentinel
asmon chain wiping to mythic eranog
robust lark
just got a g600, about to go screw up all my hotbars. pray for me
finite scarab
gotta learn to stop being a pussy anything above like a 17 this week im just in dstance if not on boss
lament zealot
Am I crazy or did reflecting 1st and last boss in Azure get nerfed?
whole vortex
cinder storm
After getting 4pc my healing has gone down once my disc priest got hers and got buffed 
dusky canopy
guys quick question are you able to simply walk by the purifier pack in front of the two sentinels before bridge in HOV?
in the middle there
gritty swallow
Yep
trim bay
you can invis skip the 2 sentinals as well
dusky canopy
sweet that makes it ez to not do it then
yeah im talking for pug
i try not to plan invis
trim bay
respect
surreal lake
trinket any good from the new event? - fresh lvl 70 have 360 ivl atm
turbid shuttle
Am I crazy or did reflecting 1st and last boss in Azure get nerfed?
I reflected on first and last boss yesterday as usual
lament zealot
Was it not reflecting dmg back before? It just prevents debuff now. Maybe it always did and my weakaura for it isn't showing anythign reflectign anymore
turbid shuttle
I honestly don't recall if it ever did damage back. I just know I didn't take damage. It's probably documented in that sheet in the pins
restive lagoon
Guys, I know the food embellishment does not count in the limitation
But if I craft lariat and frostfire belt, i'll get to the 2 embel limit, right ?
I can't craft them and the fang on weapon ?
steel mauve
Correct
lofty widget
Was it not reflecting dmg back before? It just prevents debuff now. Maybe it alw...
it never did dmg back the boss
dusky canopy
hows all totem vs rumbling?
gaunt musk
Hey, is is normal, when i copy a build. i get no stance/dont even have it skilled?
nimble laurel
Was it not reflecting dmg back before? It just prevents debuff now. Maybe it alw...
It had always just deflected
sick sentinel
Hey, is is normal, when i copy a build. i get no stance/dont even have it skille...
change specs, change spec back to prot
gaunt musk
lel ty
reef holly
Trying out new route in HOV- you guys tank all the bears at once and kite them constantly?
mortal brook
small backpedal is sufficient to dodge their rending claw and crunch armor
like half the stuff in hov
cinder storm
Trying out new route in HOV- you guys tank all the bears at once and kite them c...
My route consist on grabbing 5 bears and one yak, once you grab the bears run to the right of the tree where the dragon lands, if people run on the left they will pull the warriors that are near
deep spruce
Worth upgrading a 6/13 stat prio wrist that has a socket?
Probably
slow token
frosted or fierce for pants?
sick sentinel
i wonder if i just severely under pulled
slow token
also play fury
weary verge
So I have a 411 Grieftorch, a 395 Charged Scale and just got a 392 Ruby Shell that I can push to 402... Would I run the Grief Torch and the Ruby shell over the scale?
rough egret
slow token
Also frozen devotion for raid?
rustic pagoda
general stat question:
Haste DR is 30% irrc, and with Into the Fray, i can get +10% haste. this does not affect % per haste if im under 30% haste without ItF correct? i get full value for haste up to 30% regardless of ItF?
sterile bough
Also frozen devotion for raid?
yes
lofty widget
% gains like ITF have no effect on the stat tax
that's why we say go haste until 40 % before any buffs
warm plinth
general stat question:
Haste DR is 30% irrc, and with Into the Fray, i can get +...
Diminishing returns are rating only. How much haste you have from %-based sources does not matter. That being said, 30% haste is not a number you should be concerning yourself with.
sick sentinel
Why do I feel so squishy in RLP?
rustic pagoda
Diminishing returns are rating only. How much haste you have from %-based sourc...
yeah, im not aiming for it, but with ItF, i hit 31%, so i wanted to make sure i wasnt wasting any haste value from gems
warm plinth
Nope. If you hover over haste in your character sheet, you'll see the rating with a % next to it. That number would have to be 30% before DR would apply but even then, only rating would DR, not percentage gains like ItF
sterile bough
Why do I feel so squishy in RLP?
where
sick sentinel
Ruby life pools on the second floor
cloud umbra
i do have like 50% with full buff + itf and it sometimes feels like maybe i statted too much into it. 32% baseline
sick sentinel
alright thanks
sterile bough
flame sth
sick sentinel
is the plater m+ profile out for df s1 / s2?
it has all the mobs that cast important shit be purple and i can make them based on aggro colors, but if its not updated screw it
weary verge
Follow up question... I only really do M+... Am i still going for ST on the Ruby Shell?
rustic pagoda
Ruby life pools on the second floor
the flamedancers (?) have an aoe ability that does pretty solid damage to everyone, you can usually use the bombs they apply to stun it, or you can just shock/storm bolt it to cancel. only 1 group has 2 in it, so its pretty easy to control by yourself
sick sentinel
yes, yogi is trying to improve, there is limited time ice mount i want
unborn forge
Resto druid only heals me. Through hots on the 3rs of Jade Temple. Apperently I have to look up why I died 
drifting fable
there isnt a unified plater profile just find one you like on wago
woven trellis
how much lvl can u do nowadays with professions?
turbid shuttle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tBLavPyzGcJ3YfwQ/#fight=last&type=summary
can you link an mdt?
rotund dew
Did they removed a lot of spell reflectable stuff? Like RLP endboss and stormdrake I cant reflect
turbid shuttle
you could never reflect rlp endboss to my recollection
maybe in beta
stormdrake I also don't recall ever reflecting
deep spruce
how much lvl can u do nowadays with professions?
1.5 or 2
rotund dew
you could never reflect rlp endboss to my recollection
you were able to deflect the stormhit of the endboss
cloud umbra
stormslam is spell blockable
smoky agate
good evening guys, question. Is it worth downgrading ilvlwise to get 4set? thanks in advance
winged turret
Hey guys. I started prot warrior this season because I’m a slut for FOTM tanks. I think I’m bad. Every warrior I know is like “oh I just basically don’t take damage, I just spam all my damage spells and don’t die” however at 394 ilvl in 12s I get myself into some pretty spooky situations. I keep shield block up at all times and try to always have ignore pain up (I don’t have 4pc) but it still feels like I’m taking more damage than most other prot warriors. Does 4pc make that much of a difference for survivability or is this pretty much entirely a skill issue?
cloud umbra
do you have a log?
rotund dew
does someone know if the welps in RLP buff each other? Do they buff anything?
steel mauve
no, more than likely its your play, you may think you're keeping defensives up, but that may not be the case, or other abilities that could be used, in the pins it even states more times than not, its a play style issue over a gear issue
warm plinth
Did they removed a lot of spell reflectable stuff? Like RLP endboss and stormdra...
You could never reflect that. Spell block, yes. But not reflect.
rotund dew
You could never reflect that. Spell block, yes. But not reflect.
Always thought I spell reflected it
winged turret
do you have a log?
I’m planning on running with some guildies tomorrow for practice and plan on logging them. Just curious about the usage of ignore pain because most guides I’ve looked at put no emphasis on it, almost as if it’s not worth using.
turbid shuttle
I’m planning on running with some guildies tomorrow for practice and plan on log...
you only situationally use IP defensively. mostly you just use it as a rage dump. shield block 100% is the main prio for rage spending.
never give up SB for IP (there are maybe 1 or 2 exceptions to this, like maybe 1st boss RLP on high tyran)
winged turret
Yeah, I definitely don’t. I keep SB at ALL times. I’m assuming that I probably just think I’m rotating shield wall and last stand better than I am so I’ll keep a better eye on that.
cloud umbra
or some bosses that dont even melee i think the 2nd temple doesnt right?
but still keep it up for dam
turbid shuttle
with talents shield wall is like 1 min cooldown. just send it any time you don't think you need it for something important soon.
toxic pewter
You run itf or hr?
turbid shuttle
almost everyone runs hr
winged turret
Uhhh pretty sure I’m running into the fray. Shit. Probably not HR.
toxic pewter
Go to dummy and just sit there
winged turret
Uhhhhhhhhh need to change that when I get home
turbid shuttle
HR also gives better rage economy
toxic pewter
In my opinion hr will be better for you to start on
turbid shuttle
well I dunno, maybe the haste makes up the diff
toxic pewter
I think for a new person HR is better personally though
Especially one struggling with defensiveness
turbid shuttle
yeah I rethought it after I wrote it. I could see the haste giving you more casts to make it up. I dunno.
winged turret
I’ll definitely look at that and run some logs soon. I’m pretty sure I don’t have any issues keeping shield block up at all.
steel mauve
HR is default for m+, and i think its a toss up on raids, but itf might pull ahead
toxic pewter
Most people still run itf in m+
winged turret
But every bit helps.
toxic pewter
I think it’s greedy to be honest but it’s the reality
Yeah but here we have a new individual who says he’s taking tons of damage
Really need to go to dummy and stay there
Also with how much you say you have shield block up 100% the logs will show exactly what the situation is
I have a sneaking suspicion it’s not as high as you may think
turbid shuttle
many people say they have shield block 100%
ya
get a log and check % of blocked hits
ashen plank
Hello, someone have the WA for the 2P of War prot pls ?
steel mauve
i made a very basic one that just shows it up, the duration and glows
turbid shuttle
personally I wouldn't even track it. keep the noise off your screen
you press revenge naturally. you're never going to make a decision off of it
last nova
just got my first con primal infusion, what's the first thing people upgrade to 418? lariat or weapon?
steel mauve
shield
ocean prairie
how is idol of the dreamers as a trinket? it sims pretty well for me
turbid shuttle
shield is a pwar's most important item by far
steel mauve
^
last nova
ok thanks
toxic pewter
Shield it up baby
last nova
i was thinking lariat>weapon>shield.
steel mauve
best defensive increase is shield, best offensive increase is weapon, then any thing else really as they are close
last nova
ok thanks guys
toxic pewter
how is idol of the dreamers as a trinket? it sims pretty well for me
I’m not sure I don’t often see anyone mentioning it to be honest
turbid shuttle
if you mythic raid I think you can skip crafting shield, bc the raid shield is easy to get
I don't raid though so not sure
last nova
i don't mythic raid i'm hard stuck 406
steel mauve
if you mythic raid then its kinda up to you i guess, but shield is our most important slot, followed by weapon, so take that as you will
turbid shuttle
def shield then
last nova
trying to brak the 410
ocean prairie
make sure to craft 5 items then
that's the quickest way to increase ilvl
something like shield, weapon, lariat, frostfire belt
last nova
yeah i'm at the point just farming 16+ keys now
cloud umbra
you can get your ilvl up without mythic raiding just takes time
toxic pewter
But every bit helps.
What ilvl is your shield
last nova
405
toxic pewter
Yah 418 gonna feel more tanky
toxic pewter
Dang nice you have an icon
round pendant
I wonder, is it worth spamming some low CoS keys so I can get a whetstone and then upgrade it with valor?
turbid shuttle
yeah just spam 16-18 for primals and get upgrades on those crafted pieces. you'll replace the cloak and belt along the way. your gear is fine.
toxic pewter
I want one
toxic pewter
I wonder, is it worth spamming some low CoS keys so I can get a whetstone and th...
Seems reasonable if you have the valor to spare I suppose
round pendant
I've not spent a single valor so far
toxic pewter
But court not the hardest one of all time either
But yeah I mean seems reasonable to me
last nova
yeah pretty lucky
round pendant
yeah but I don't have the rating to get into 16+ groups
toxic pewter
Valor often best spent on trinkets anyway
turbid shuttle
if you can't get in to 16s you have better items to spend valor on than a 5/13 whetstone
just imo
west swallow
new record!! tanked my first 9+
toxic pewter
Grats
steel mauve
can do all +12's and get ksm i believe, should be enough
cinder storm
last nova
new record!! tanked my first 9+
congrats!
west swallow
thanks!
warm plinth
I wonder, is it worth spamming some low CoS keys so I can get a whetstone and th...
Would be very very expensive to do that
warm plinth
That's still 7 levels I think?
toxic pewter
Yah I mean it’s possible you won’t even replace the whetstone, meanwhile valor gonna be uncappped eventually anyway
warm plinth
So 2800 valor
toxic pewter
I say just do it yolo
last nova
I had a really bad CoS 13 run about 4 weeks ago and I haven't been back since.
still have to overcome that demon
toxic pewter
Yah honestly court can be either really easy or everything just goes to hell lmao
It’s a very tilting dungeon
toxic pewter
Yah when it goes to shit it’s hard to like bounce back in there
pallid quiver
someone send help
i went to gear up an alt and i forgot about primal chaos
last nova
i'm still that ilvl 393 prot warrior in my head in CoS
toxic pewter
Yah just gotta collect those they’re not account wide
last nova
PTSD
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
Yeah probably
sick sentinel
anyone tried these in keys
last nova
no heroic raiding is the quickest
toxic pewter
They drop a bunch at end of dungeon
last nova
10 per boss
toxic pewter
Oh nice even better
last nova
or get m+ boosted
pallid quiver
i'll get on that with my 340 ilvl lock
warm plinth
"only usable outdoors"
warm plinth
Almost universally means doesn't work in dungeons
round pendant
I can do 15 CoS's easily but it depends on the players you get, so I figure it might be worth going ~3 levels down for a chill farm, just costs a bit more valor
I only really push keys with a friend or two too since I don't really like pugging with all randoms
I have a question, is the ring that buffs auto attack damage better than an unstable arcane loop? assuming same ilvl
last nova
sometimes when pugging you high roll some pumpers and get carried, it's rng who you get.
round pendant
Yeah I love it when you get the pumpers, feels so damn smooth
last nova
this week doing higher keys, i feel like everything takes ages to die.
round pendant
Yeah bolstering sucks
toxic pewter
I like bolstering more than sanguine personally
round pendant
Somehow in my groups tho the bosses feel like tyrannical lmao
last nova
it really does, what's the official strategy dealing with bolstering?
round pendant
Naw I much preferred sanguine, it's entirely in my control
toxic pewter
Yah Bolstering is a dps affix basically
round pendant
and it's satisfying trying to position things to never get a sanguine heal
like stunning the low mob and then pulling the pack
tulip kelp
Sanguine slows shit down so much, esp with mobs you can’t move
toxic pewter
I see your points I just dislike sanguine still
round pendant
That's the one thing with sanguine, casters and channelers
toxic pewter
Good dpsers make bolstering a lot better
round pendant
Nothing makes me tilt more than when I've used my interrupt and no one will interrupt the caster that's just sitting in the sanguine lmao
toxic pewter
Yah mega frustrating
last nova
I personally hate storming because it increases my APM, after 2 m+ i feel tired
round pendant
meh unless you're near an edge just ignore it
quartz brook
Yo guys, can someone translate me those ? What does SW/SR/Spell Block/DS/IP IV/LS/Healthpot
round pendant
Shield Wall, Spell Reflect, Spell Block, Demoralizing Shout, Ignore Pain, Impending Victory
last nova
shield wall spell reflect spell block disrupting shot, ignore pain, last stand
toxic pewter
I like storming more than explosive
round pendant
and Last Stand yeah
last nova
i got one wrong
quartz brook
Ty all of you
steel mauve
demo shout, not disrupting
last nova
demo shout makes more sense
round pendant
I probably shouldn't do this, but with Storming I just sit in the tornados to despawn em
last nova
i like necrotic 😈
turbid shuttle
bolstering is still a tank affix in many ways. it affects the way you pull
toxic pewter
I probably shouldn't do this, but with Storming I just sit in the tornados to de...
I do that too unless shit going down lmao
last nova
i try to resposition the mobs to help my dps in storming but it's making my hands tired, playing.
round pendant
just step in them instead 
last nova
should tank move or dps dodge?
last nova
i never thought about that
last nova
it's the opposite of don't standi n the fire
full venture
Sanguine makes me want to reroll bdk
steel mauve
or do and test your charge/heroic leap skills
turbid shuttle
just play with a uhdk and get the best of both worlds
toxic pewter
Interesting
toxic pewter
Shield slams reset pretty often though
last nova
that is intersting
round pendant
i dont take stormbolt
This is worse than treason
full venture
i dont take stormbolt
Why?
round pendant
stormbolt is SO GOOD
steel mauve
stormbolt is god tier
full venture
Fr
round pendant
I use it way too much
last nova
aye stormbolt does 350 damage at rank 3
turbid shuttle
I wouldn't take the 1s off shield slam. you get it back from resets mostly, not from natural cd
stormbolt is 100% required in m+
toxic pewter
If anything the 1 second off pummel is more useful than the 1 second off shield slam
turbid shuttle
it's a nice talent there's just too much other good stuff
toxic pewter
Yah I don’t run it
turbid shuttle
side arm, titanic throw, pain and gain, intim shout, bounding stride. pick 3.
reef holly
Just has a terrible 16 HoV- pulled all the bulls and pretty much all the stags got pulled somehow. The shaman in group thinks his fire elemental pulled them all…
round pendant
1 second off pummel is nice too
turbid shuttle
also sometimes you want intervene, so take one out of those
toxic pewter
side arm, titanic throw, pain and gain, intim shout, bounding stride. pick 3.
I don’t run titanic throw or any of the throws
last nova
Just has a terrible 16 HoV- pulled all the bulls and pretty much all the stags g...
sorry bro, that sucks 🫂
turbid shuttle
titanic throw is a sleeper pick imo. i love it.
turbid shuttle
multi-pack pulling
last nova
use it on ras
toxic pewter
Interesting
turbid shuttle
also just pre-throw it before charge for extra snap threat
steel mauve
ive heard it brought up on ras, havnt tried yet though
toxic pewter
Oh is that the one that hits multiple mobs
prime sphinx
ras for what
steel mauve
apparently its pretty solid on adds with the shield
last nova
it crits for like alot
turbid shuttle
I don't raid so can't speak for ras, but in m+ it's just a nice QoL thing
prime sphinx
thats wrecking throw
steel mauve
ah ok, i havent taken either so i couldnt remember
turbid shuttle
a lot of the time when you multi-pack pull, you hammer 1 mob out of a pack then charge the second. any stray healing aggro will yank the mobs
round pendant
Does titanic throw replace heroic throw?
turbid shuttle
if your hammer hits all, you don't have to worry about that
toxic pewter
Titanic throw seems cool and all I just don’t know what I would drop for it
last nova
give back shield bash
turbid shuttle
I do sometimes think intim shout would be nice, but I have shockwave, stormbolt, shield charge, kick, and aoe shout (another slightly off meta pick) so I'm okay wiht it
last nova
- pummel
round pendant
That's what makes prot pretty fun imo
toxic pewter
I do sometimes think intim shout would be nice, but I have shockwave, stormbolt,...
I still find intim shout value all the time even with all the stops we have
round pendant
You can go off meta if you enjoy it and still be hella good
turbid shuttle
every prot talent is good. i would take them all if I could
only class that seems true for
turbid shuttle
I really really like disrupting shout
I come from vdh though, so I'm spoiled with silence
round pendant
I miss my prot paladin for silence lmao
That class makes pulling casters and stuff in dungeons braindead easy
particularly good for RLP
last nova
i only use disrupting shout for dathea heroic and the corrider after 1st boss in SBG
turbid shuttle
first couple pulls in AV, I'd MUCH MUCH rather do on vdh than pwar
round pendant
The lashers are evil
turbid shuttle
silence soooo good for those lashers
I use disrupting shout multiple times every dungeon. I think the only one I don't run it anymore is TJS because there's so much other stuff I think I need (to live 3rd boss and last trash pack)
round pendant
I literally still don't know what to do with that trash pack
shield wall, spell block, die
turbid shuttle
wall -> spell block -> wall -> last stand
round pendant
I kite and my dps whine about not being able to hit the mobs
turbid shuttle
focus the haunting sha so it doesn't fervent
there's a little trick also. if you shockwave like 3-4s in to the pull, the mobs will sync up their dark glare and you can reflect them all
after that, you wall -> spell block -> wall -> last stand, and by then stuff will be dead or close to it in anything below like 20+ fortified
above that you gotta kite a bit
round pendant
how do you wall spell block wall
turbid shuttle
double wall talent
turbid shuttle
imo always take that in TJS, for 3rd boss
round pendant
yeah
turbid shuttle
also rally the last stand
for like 800k hp
other little stuff you can do. focus 1 minion (for focus stormbolt) + target a 2nd minion (for normal stormbolt)
round pendant
I literally wonder if it's worth equipping my burgeoning seed for that dungeon
extra 200k hp too
turbid shuttle
I was watching naowh do 24 TJS on VDH running seed
round pendant
I don't have any good trinkets tho 
slim dove
we arent vdh.
blow your defensive load then kite.
reflect first batch, spell block + wall second batch, shockwave third, call for individual stops to desync casts.
can even reflect 4th but gl having them be in sync by then
rustic pagoda
does block chance over 100% actually do anything?
rustic pagoda
i have 136% with SB up, and 60-70% uptime on SB
fallen lichen
i have 136% with SB up, and 60-70% uptime on SB
Uptime should be close to 100%
rustic pagoda
Uptime should be close to 100%
its actually around 90%, mainly because i cant always hit the boss. terros it was 95%, but kurog it drops to 80% becuase im moving
slim dove
raid uptime isn't as important.
% of blocked hits is key
with ITF and no bolster you wont have 100% uptime anyways.
rustic pagoda
62% of kurogs melees were blocked. that seems low though, odd
woven trellis
is the burgeoning seed a trash trinket
rustic pagoda
but my overall melee hit mitigation was 83%
turbid shuttle
is the burgeoning seed a trash trinket
most people consider most defensive-only items to be trash
weary saddle
Hunger of the Pack is just a good stat stick right? how is the flat crit relative to the dps trinkets
old rampart
how does the strike twice weapon do vs a weapon with fang adornments on it?
inland mesa
About half the embellishment, but all embellishments are about 1%, so strike twice .5% but it's free.
sick sentinel
Hunger of the Pack is just a good stat stick right? how is the flat crit relativ...
some hunter was estatic at the chance to get this
so i give it to him
wet crow
can i ask a question please, why is it that guides are saying go for tier hands instead of chest when the hands have such poopy stats?
sick sentinel
hes the fastest hunter in all the lands now
spark nest
Hello, I just uploaded a warrior to level 70, what should I craft first with the 4 sparks?
grizzled kite
Lariat, weapons
oak echo
Weapon, shield, lariat/vers bracers/frostfire belt. Any 2 of the last 3 are good picks but the belt is only for the raid rings
spark nest
tyty
dire kiln
hi everyone, hgope you're all having a good day. How do you guys deal with the frontals from the rock guys before AV's first boss?
turbid shuttle
Where do you see this btw
damage taken -> your char -> hover over melee attacks (hits)
fluid shard
Thx
torpid fiber
anybody have a good video that showcases how to do the 100% before 2nd boss route in AV
void marten
anyone have a route for bolstering week for algethar
quick
or at least the small trees doesn't bolster right?
hybrid fossil
right
torpid fiber
or at least the small trees doesn't bolster right?
you can still go ham on that first pull
how do you skip all the trash after 2nd boss? invis pots and a rogue?
hybrid fossil
jump down the outer ring
@torpid fiber just go back, and run around the outer ring
fierce phoenix
robust lark
are you saying you can kill azureblade then double back and jump from that ring down to the 3rd boss?
sick sentinel
1800
reef holly
Just had a dps ask if I wanted to do normal route in AV or do the jump. Pulling all the welp adds seems spicy AF
reef holly
How’s that second whelp pack on fort tho??
oak ivy
What's the play for embellishments? Lariat + ?
oak ivy
deft mortar
Arms warriors be mad tryna align the stars just to hit less
proud dock
just got a 405 whetstone after farming CoS like 100s of times
do i cap it out at 13/13 upgrade?
reef holly
Just saw a video of AV with the skip- pretty cool. Is this what all the top tanks are doing now?
bitter ravine
TW good to drop in order to get bounding strides for HoV?
gritty bane
Just saw a video of AV with the skip- pretty cool. Is this what all the top tank...
can u link?
marble cipher
Just saw a video of AV with the skip- pretty cool. Is this what all the top tank...
Mind sharing or dm'ing me the video?
proud dock
does whetstone split the dmg to mobs hit?
slender hamlet
yes
vivid lantern
I do have a question, i have a lariat and shield with armor spikes and a crafted weapon. I’m not in a mythic raiding guild but do +20 keys. I have a 395 belt. I was thinking of crafting either the frostfire belt or a haste vers belt. I was favouring a haste vers belt because I won’t be getting the two mythic raiding rings. Would this be a mistake?
void marten
no
vivid lantern
Cool thanks.
slim dove
Arms warriors be mad tryna align the stars just to hit less
I've hit bigger whirlwinds buddy
feral dune
is it worth upgrading whetstone or should i do somethin else?
grizzled kite
I dont have that
forest tulip
I am STRUGGLING this week. and im only doing +11s
slim dove
its not much fun to tank
strong forum
Next week will be muuuch easier
slim dove
been playing arms, blasting, embarrassing my dps friends
feral dune
what is next week
strong forum
Or well, all coming weeks will be a breeze compares to current week
Next week is quaking explosive I think
slim dove
quaking spiteful iirc
warm plinth
Next week is the idc about anything week
slim dove
back to prot to ignore spiteful affix kek
warm plinth
feral dune
do the tiny plants in AA bolster on the trash before tree boss?
radiant pewter
what gems am i supposed to b e using inside Lariat?
strong forum
do the tiny plants in AA bolster on the trash before tree boss?
No
strong forum
what gems am i supposed to b e using inside Lariat?
Whichever you like
strong forum
I myself am using haste>crit gems in lariat
pallid quiver
i use haste/crit too because they're my favorite stats
ill fight anyone who says to gem differently
robot solves all my other statting decisions around that
jagged igloo
I am STRUGGLING this week. and im only doing +11s
well we tried some 20s with guildies, we managed to end em but yeah it hurts hard asf lol
kinda find 18 ez compared to last week doe
sick sentinel
do the tiny plants in AA bolster on the trash before tree boss?
non elites, and summoned monsters and boss adds cannot bolster or all that other fun stuff
like, if there is some event that elites pop out through a portal to block path, those do
rough spruce
I am STRUGGLING this week. and im only doing +11s
I've had problems on AV before the first boss, the frontals kept fucking me up
mortal brook
Reflect one, sidestep the other. What frontals
sick sentinel
underrott boss 3 was extremely well tuned boss for how the mechanic worked
rough spruce
Reflect one, sidestep the other. What frontals
From the adds that we wake up with the whelps
strong forum
For those you need a hard cc rotation
sick sentinel
best version of that mechanic
strong forum
Those should never be tanked
strong forum
The dot will still call your mum and tell her that their child isn't gonna make it
strong forum
That's why you don't wake them up in pugs
sick sentinel
they are NPC
mortal brook
But i saw a cool route on a stream
sick sentinel
in game of life
rough spruce
But i saw a cool route on a stream
That's how I timed a 16 with guildies, couldn't do a 13 with pugs tho
rough spruce
in game of life
You have a point there
mortal brook
Guildies that out perform pugs? Im in the wrong guild
last nova
when the stars align and you highroll some gamers in your LFG
time to get carried
as a tank i do the same thing every time but the results vary
in M=
m+
sick sentinel
you listed the same 2 things, i think
sick sentinel
is there gems like that haste first whatever second (less on the 2nd secondary stat)
sick sentinel
i honestly just have a r3 haste gem in there and good to go
steel horizon
so +70 haste/33 vers or 70 vers/33 haste im guessing
sick sentinel
we like haste
last nova
wife says i need more haste stat, she's always shouting faster!
modest gulch
what is that site you can run a parse through it and it will tell you where you're fucking up?
I just scored a 1 on a Mythic Terros kill for dps parse...
last nova
raidbots
modest gulch
The literal worst
last nova
boosted mate!
steel horizon
you got a 1?
void marten
i think i underuse ignore pain
mortal brook
Wowanalyzer
void marten
does anyone have a terros log
mortal brook
Or post logs in #449510248579858432
void marten
that i can compare
last nova
i forget i have ignore pain
modest gulch
No its my guild I'm just apparently doing really shitty
last nova
i deal with my pain issues
modest gulch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vyt431bZAjwWTVLQ/#fight=last&type=damage-done Look at this horrible shit
last nova
tell you're guild that they are 1
and they should be glad you even turned up
ungrateful bastards!
modest gulch
they're not giving me shit, I'm just reading logs haha
is there a tldr for analyzing this with raidbots?
modest gulch
trying to get ahead of that haha
last nova
good luck
slim dove
casted avatar 4 times in a 6 minute fight.
modest gulch
how can raidbots analyze a log?
slim dove
press your buttons bro.
earnest rampart
what gems should I put in my lariat
You want to do vers/haste which should be air gems. Air gems in the lariat proc haste.
steel horizon
You want to do vers/haste which should be air gems. Air gems in the lariat proc ...
do you know what they're called off the top of your head?
earnest rampart
do you know what they're called off the top of your head?
energized malygite
modest gulch
Says you arent pressin yer buttons
shit
inland mesa
You have shield charge talented and didn't cast it once o.O
pallid quiver
I casually glanced at casts,
Yeah, you'll want to go ahead and hit a dummy for a bit to get reused to the rotation.
You casted more Revenges than SS, for example
You casted IP 2.9 times per minute
Demo Shout was only casted 1 over the 2 minutes 26 seconds
rough spruce
You casted IP 2.9 times per minute
Sometimes you gotta ignore that pain brun
pallid quiver
2.9 times per minute isn't high; it's abysmally low
so he's not ignoring pain
he's paying very much attention to the pain
rough spruce
so he's not ignoring pain
Sometimes we gotta face that pain
pallid quiver
Theeeeere we go
modest gulch
more Revenge than SS seems impossible to me holy shit
limber python
does anyone have the route for azure where you jump off the ring to skip part of that trash
the first ring
mortal brook
Lotta downtime yep
slim dove
how do you cast shield charge 0 times
pallid quiver
Only blocked like 64% of melees, as well; whoever was this Prot Warrior really should take some time at a training dummy to work the rotation into muscle memory
There's a few fundamental issues causing a few problems
modest gulch
Only blocked like 64% of melees, as well; whoever was this Prot Warrior really s...
no way to deny it, this is the first season I've played warrior since vanilla
this fucker right?
pallid quiver
That's the tank one that will swing at you; if you're not fully comfortable, you might want to sit on one of the DPS dummies
So you don't have to worry about also getting swung at
Step at a time until the rotation is muscle memory in
modest gulch
don't I need to get hit for rage?
inner rock
I'm so sick of these kinds of pugs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8XtapZdF2CNxQzgL/#fight=last, tips on not ending up with groups with such low dps in order to push while pugging?
pallid quiver
It's a small amount of your rage gen overall; you currently have bigger fundamental rotation issues than worrying about small rage gains like passive hit rage gen
inner rock
the goddamn combat rogue was 402 ilvl
pallid quiver
You're missing catching SS resets way too heavily, for example
pallid quiver
I'm so sick of these kinds of pugs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8XtapZd...
Push your own key and dig deeper; look for logs on the character, etc?
pallid quiver
don't I need to get hit for rage?
A reminder that you want to push all of your CDs ASAP whenever they come off CD. Don't think about holding them for add phases or anything like that, just yeet that shit for now
A good opener is to Ravager Pre pull -> Charge + Avatar -> SS if ST, TC if AOE -> Demo Shout -> T Roar -> Shield Charge
And then go into standard priority rotation of SS > TC > Revenge until a CD comes back up
sick sentinel
i hate fighting odyn
woven trellis
is burgeoning trinket good at being a defensive trinket
i should have asked my question this way i think
sick sentinel
if its from av versa burngeoning seed, its mid, unless you are versa nerd
warm plinth
is burgeoning trinket good at being a defensive trinket
It's not good at anything
deft mortar
wym bruh
Odyn has no mechanics
tbf nothing in HoV has mechanics
Now that I think
Most diffi thing is dodging cheeseballs
deft mortar
bruh lana del ray slaps while running SBG ngl
Love when her "born to die" sync with 500k shadow dmg
I got azure vault 22
Am I about to get slapped
Am I aobut to find out
vital oak
The 30% haste goal to get 100% shieldblock up time with ITTF instead of HR is without a howling rune on yes?
sick sentinel
can someone link me a good AA route
22
how the fuck do you time this shit
7 deaths overall no wipes at all
overtime by more than a minute
how the fuck do you time this lol
vital oak
How aggressively are you pulling?
sick sentinel
something like this
vital oak
That's actually way more aggressive than I am, strange.
sick sentinel
I even did pull #2 with 3
vital oak
I assume, vex, tree, craw, end?
mighty valley
vex/craw/tree feels like the least walking time
inner rock
yay, finally an m+ orange run
sick sentinel
is it just the walking time?
mighty valley
idk, if everything goes smooth I’ve never had timer trouble in AA
deft mortar
I didnt enter AA after the 2nd week
mighty valley
though I’ve only done it at 20
vital oak
Maybe the bigger pulls are messing with bolstering this week?
mighty valley
yeah overall dps doesn’t tell the whole story, they may be padded by adding a ton of health to the mobs
sick sentinel
i assume its just gonna be even slower
mighty valley
if pulling bigger is adding more overall hp to the dungeon through bolstering, it might not be
but impossible to tell without watching your run
vital oak
It was only a 19 but we +2 with this earlier this week.
Vex, Tree, Craw, End lust on Vex and Craw.
inner rock
How on earth do you guys running 20s and higher manage the last TJS pack? The 16 i just did the first claw with all adds up nearly killed me with shieldwall up.
torn jay
Spellblock and run
prime sphinx
53k overall in aa fortified tho? kinda low
torn jay
Shockwave sync then reflect
inner rock
<facepalm> its spell reflectable?
sick sentinel
yea i was kiting alot
vital oak
The only things I can think of to run away from are the whirling guys near the end, what else were you running from?
warm plinth
Don't even have to run away from those guys either
Just tank pack 17 on stairs, stand on lower stair
potent anvil
sick sentinel
you can just stairs it
warm plinth
never get hit
warm plinth
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
vital oak
Maybe that's the issue then? stuff not dying at the same time?
warm plinth
inspired battle axe, inspired birds etc
feel like you could save time here by doing each dragonfly pack with a lasher or two
Combine 3 pulls into 2
vital oak
He did the lashers and one pack of misquitos he said.
On another note, what's the tech to avoid the astral whirls on the stairs? barely los them at the top?
warm plinth
No
You just pull the pack on to the stairs
and stand on a lower stair
and they will never hit you with whirlwind
vital oak
wow, i'll try that next run, ty.
warm plinth
You'll have to deal with the two in the last pack but you can just shockwave one, intim shout second
and they should be dead or almost dead by then
vital oak
Yeah, it's really that 5 pack (2 groups) that I end up moving away from.
I assume the dps are safe on a lower stair as well?
vital oak
beautiful
warm plinth
I think I actually have it on video on my baby woyer if that would help
but it's hard to mess up tbh
vital oak
I feel like your explanation was clear enough, the trick is if I can communicate it to my group 🙂
warm plinth
well let me know if they need it spelled out and I'll hook you up with the vod 😂
vital oak
ty 🙂
mortal brook
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
hushed harbor
is battle scarred veteran good now? I thought i had read before that it was kinda bugged
hushed harbor
well that is big stinkers
last sinew
can anyone help me with this? I THOUGHT I was a great tank. I seem to kick ass all over the place. Right up til I get into an m+12 or higher. I have yet to be able to time one this season when I am tanking and I need to know what I am doing wrong. I am the only warrior tank in my guild so I have no one else I can ask without random, uninvited mail or pst
pallid quiver
Your best bet is to send out a log since there's a ton of things that could be causing you to not time a key
sterile stirrup
can anyone help me with this? I THOUGHT I was a great tank. I seem to kick ass a...
Are you using a regular talent build from wowhead or have u been making your own build?
sweet dagger
For welp shell have we found out what's the best way to build it for us?
sterile stirrup
For welp shell have we found out what's the best way to build it for us?
Dunno, I’ve just gone Full crit on mine
last sinew
Are you using a regular talent build from wowhead or have u been making your own...
wowhead build
warm plinth
For welp shell have we found out what's the best way to build it for us?
stat proc or st
stop playign barbaric training
I'm gonna have Mwahi change my nickname to that
sweet dagger
gotcha hows the haste build?
hard quartz
hit IP more
hard quartz
lol
sterile stirrup
Keep shield block up 100% of the time in combat and never let mobs hit you from the back
pallid hare
Work with your team to not let a single slam go off
cedar trench
ya easily
deft mortar
What if that mf hit me lOL
sterile stirrup
And 13k dps seems very low for your gear with 4 set, getting very low value from the set bonus
pallid hare
Hopefully you would have had wall, block and IP all ready to go
last sinew
Keep shield block up 100% of the time in combat and never let mobs hit you from ...
I have a tracker and i hit it whenever it is near the end. so, unless my tracker is broken, i dont know.
pallid hare
Those dudes truck
cedar trench
13k is like prepatch 60 numbers
reef holly
And 13k dps seems very low for your gear with 4 set, getting very low value from...
Sitting in D Stance?
deft mortar
my crafteds are sadly 410s
reef holly
im sitting 411 atm
Show off
cedar trench
406 no raiding
pallid hare
I have a tracker and i hit it whenever it is near the end. so, unless my tracker...
It stacks up to 24 seconds (3 blocks) so don't just wait for it to end, build it up and keep a buffer
toxic mesa
im at 415, still got 398 legs and 405 trinket
deft mortar
are the 398 legs by any chance pvp gear ? 😄
toxic mesa
no, just a dungeon drop, havent had luck with 405 leg drops yet
deft mortar
my shoulder is 398 pvp gear
sterile stirrup
Also keep IP close to max all the time, so most of not all is literally halfed by it
deft mortar
Legit wouldnt have another shoulder otherwise
sterile stirrup
Im 412 missing 2 infusions which will Probably push me to 414 atleast 😄
pallid hare
^ should def have shield block and a 100k+ IP 100% of the time
There is very few instances where that should not be the case
cedar trench
you have 100k IP 100% of the time? Monka
prime sphinx
had my first spark drop since reset so up to 416
deft mortar
Once I get 4th set I proba wont even press IP
unless shit hits the fan
or rage hits 100
pallid hare
Unless you are getting slammed in the face by content far harder than a +12 (where he is struggling) it's quite easy to roll CDs to ensure near-max IP outside of the GCD you take a tank buster and need to refresh it
last sinew
it's not that I am dying, everyone else is. I mostly survive just fine
last sinew
skill issue from group
but when it keeps happening, i cant help but feel there is something I am doing wrong as well
cedar trench
oh yea 100% there could be something you're doing wrong positioning, pulls etc
i've been in horror story TJS where the group just chain dies on the tidal burts and i sit there bing chilling
pallid hare
If other people are dying, that is partially their fault.... But you can help an absolute ton by being very good with interrupts and all of your stuns/fear/incapacitates
toxic pewter
Arcane mage owns if they know what they’re doin
prime sphinx
my life the past few days but we finally got whetstone
toxic mesa
i also got one yesterday, granted with a bit less work than you
last sinew
If other people are dying, that is partially their fault.... But you can help an...
I am throwing everything I can out there. Past 3 days have been utterly disheartening though. I cant find any of the logs from today or even yesterday. but I suspect it wouldnt be a ton different from the one that I posted
cedar trench
my life the past few days but we finally got whetstone
got mine after 56 runs 
solar shadow
lust tree room packs, vex, craw
tree first is major bait
prime sphinx
despair man, i think i was like 40ish for haste ring mechagon last xpac
cedar trench
I am throwing everything I can out there. Past 3 days have been utterly disheart...
If you can bring yourself too it you can also record or stream your keys and go back and watch them to help identify problems
winged turret
Okay so this isn't much to go on but I just did a 12 to test out some talent choices (switching around a couple of things and going Heavy Repercussions for one thing) and forgot to log it, but I do have my Details screenshot. For reference, in order, the ilvls are 399, 399, 393, 394
That feels low as fuck, but I was basically trying my hardest to not over cap, I know for a fact I kept SB up almost 100% of the time, was demo shouting constantly, spamming the shit out of revenge, etc
sick sentinel
tree first is major bait
figured id get lust rolling asap this week
winged turret
Still felt low. Down to gear?
sick sentinel
but yea mb you right
cedar trench
what dung
last sinew
If you can bring yourself too it you can also record or stream your keys and go ...
i'm old. i have no idea how to even record the runs
cedar trench
i'm old. i have no idea how to even record the runs
Plenty of guides online, logs are also a good way just less visuals compared to a video
solar shadow
figured id get lust rolling asap this week
pull bridge and lust it on the way to vex
winged turret
They were mostly smallish pulls because bolstering and pugs is oof
last sinew
Plenty of guides online, logs are also a good way just less visuals compared to ...
will look into that, thanks
solar shadow
Lust Bridge Pack --> Lust Bird --> Lust big pull before last boss or pull the last pack into boss with lust
toxic mesa
Okay so this isn't much to go on but I just did a 12 to test out some talent cho...
i wouldnt use heavy repercussions in dungeons
the dps in the screenshot seems low, maybe the pull sizes or mob positioning is bad?
amber siren
HR very good in dungeons 
winged turret
i wouldnt use heavy repercussions in dungeons
the dps in the screenshot seems lo...
It was just a recommendation from the Discord basically because I'm trying to go back to step 1 and learn warrior properly and it was to ensure I kept SB up
toxic mesa
well it helps with that, yes
winged turret
if it was like 1 pack at a time thats not horrible but yea its kinda low
It basically was. There were some two packers but honestly I just get spooked and don't wanna die 
cedar trench
It basically was. There were some two packers but honestly I just get spooked an...
Fair enough, living comes first TBH
toxic mesa
you arent going to die in a +12 at 400ish prot warrior
winged turret
I'm running with some very good guildies tomorrow for practice and will try to pull bigger and see how it goes.
toxic mesa
so dont be scared 😄
winged turret
you arent going to die in a +12 at 400ish prot warrior
Reminder: I'm new and bad
cedar trench
if he's anxious and unsure then he can feel how he likes
winged turret
if he's anxious and unsure then he can feel how he likes
king shit
cedar trench
everyone's boundaries are different as long as you're pushing them then that's all that matters
winged turret
Yeah. The whole point is that I'm jealous of the warriors that dumpster everyone on the charts. So I'm trying to get there. Just babysteps.
cedar trench
Ya, reflect and trinkets are a decent chunk of overall in some dungs too
like if you dont get dark claw or shadow slash in TJS and CoS you just wont do as much
same with WS doing like 7% overall
hidden ether
is it worth buying a quality 3 diamond or does just using a quality 2 and upgrading do the same thing?
for the neck
pallid quiver
Yeah. The whole point is that I'm jealous of the warriors that dumpster everyone...
I went back, saw someone told you no HR in dungeons, ignore whoever that was
The damage gain in AOE from ITF is not nearly enough to justify the block uptime loss
In addition, it's often less damage on bosses due to not ensuring you can have all 5 stacks up at all times, making the damage gain through a dungeon not even as large as it could be
The prot wars who are blasting over DPS players:
A. Have their rotation down pat due to actually spending time on training dummies
B. Do pulls of reasonable sizes, so double/triple pulls when you can
C. Play with bad DPS, as all DPS should blow any tank's DPS out of the water
hidden ether
Is it worth doing haste vers on it?
cedar trench
haste x stat
pallid quiver
Is it worth doing haste vers on it?
no do it with no secondary stats
Either Haste/Crit or Haste/Vers are recommended
Haste/Mastery could be done if you're missing mastery in the rest of your pieces
hidden ether
damn got h ate master
cedar trench
you rngd it?
pallid quiver
Haste Mastery is fine; you'll just want less mastery on the rest of your gear if possible
you do still actually need mastery
Just less of it on average than other stats
warm plinth
I do this really great thing to remove all of my stress with gearing as a prot warrior
I just don't care about the secondaries
warm plinth
I make them haste/crit when I have the option but otherwise, idgaf
pallid quiver
Same
If I ever get same ilvl pieces from RNG, to the robits i go
tell me sim lords what my future is
warm plinth
toxic mesa
I went back, saw someone told you no HR in dungeons, ignore whoever that was
you should only use HR if you cant keep shield block up without it
with enough haste and proper gameplay, you dont need HR, so ITF is a quite simply an overall gain to both your dps and mitigation
cedar trench
like i always say, all stats are yummy haste just a little tastier
hidden ether
I just realized i have 3k crit... ewww
pallid quiver
you should only use HR if you cant keep shield block up without it
with enough h...
heavy doubt since the rage you gain gives you damage, so
cedar trench
you should only use HR if you cant keep shield block up without it
with enough h...
false
toxic mesa
more haste gives you more rage, too
pallid quiver
If you want to debate that, you should have a chat with Nome
toxic mesa
alright so why are all top warriors using ITF is HR is so god damn good compared to it?
solar shadow
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Ghash you'll be happy to know I renamed Burgahw to Burgahww
toxic mesa
*if
pallid quiver
You should also ask Nome about listening to "top warriors"
warm plinth
Ghash you'll be happy to know I renamed Burgahw to Burgahww
Well done Mr. Whirlwind 😂 I like it
cedar trench
if your point in an debate is "top warriors" comment is TLDR
warm plinth
Frankly if your opinion is based on "top warriors", I"m not even gonna argue with you anymore
cba
toxic pewter
The HR vs ITF argument is the debate of our lifetime
I know which camp I am in
HR BABY
cedar trench
almost as bad as the SC Charge macro conversation IMO
pallid quiver
I'm in the camp of listening to people who did the math for me
toxic mesa
show me a log of warrior using HR overperforming a warrior using ITF
toxic pewter
Lol here we go
pallid quiver
Ask Nome for his logs
cedar trench
i mean the mass doesn't agree with you so i'd ask you to show us where ITF is better
pallid quiver
like, all of this literally is solved by going to nome
hidden ether
What gems do I want now that I have Lariat? i heard something about wanting a few differnt types?
toxic pewter
To be honest I consider ITF to be greedy for not that much dps upside
warm plinth
Friendly reminder: The person challenging the status quo is the person who has the burden of evidence.
cedar trench
if you like it bro
toxic mesa
and the status quo is the data of the top logs, if you want to challenge that, please provide data
pallid quiver
Ask Nome for his logs
cedar trench
comparative data