got a funky gear question: which one of these would be better (more specifically, is cobalt assembly defense ring worth using when i'm in danger)
#protection
mighty valley
you can only wear one cobalt ring so make it the dps one
inland mesa
it will until you get like 415 cos ring, crafted, and mythic eranog
final gust
kk
merry scroll
anyone here using ruby whelp? mine barely procs fully trained
sick sentinel
i got one more
final gust
So even in higher keys where I'm at risk of dying, it's better to just have the DPS ring anyways and call it a skill issue?
grizzled kite
It's always a skill issue
round pendant
alright so
did a dungeon that I failed before but the dps players this time were actually good
and it was smooth as butter
I'm gonna stop blaming myself lmfao
inner rock
I'm gonna stop blaming myself lmfao
First two weeks of xpac were a complete shitshow, when you finally have a group doing mechanics, interrupting, passably following their rotation, it feels like a completely different game
tulip kelp
I did a 20 cos yesterday and failed by 30 secs, all 3 dps were below 50K overall 😂
sick sentinel
tulip kelp
Don’t even know how that’s possible as 410+ dps and 2500+ io
sick sentinel
this is what i thought lariat was
and how i got it confused with how many gmes u have
round pendant
I did a 20 cos yesterday and failed by 30 secs, all 3 dps were below 50K overall...
What kinda dps do you reckon 400 ilvl players should have?
sick sentinel
that seems like a horrible effect but still
round pendant
cause they've all been ~35-40k for me
neat parrot
is there a wa that tracks vanguard ( 2 set buff ) ? cant find any on wago
inner rock
cause they've all been ~35-40k for me
My 395 alt combat rogue does >55k details dps in m+, as does my 400 ww (more like 60-65k), non AA. Everyone should be above 50k in an m+ at that ilvl.
tulip kelp
If you’re doing 35K overall seek help
warm plinth
Only your friend can make your friend less bad
round pendant
had a shadow priest trying to clear thundering at 10 secs left in prep for the runes at odin
friend runs away cause he wants that 30% damage
gets us all stunned, wipe
warm plinth
nice
final gust
"muh dps"
warm plinth
I once had a hunter feign the containment cell on 1st boss of Streets instead of turtling. When I asked about it, he said "turtle is a dps loss"
round pendant
classic lmao
final gust
doesn't feign make it go on someone else instead
pallid quiver
my favorite is the people who do those things while pulling extremely average to bad DPS in the first place
warm plinth
doesn't feign make it go on someone else instead
yes lol
pallid quiver
because they notice it more because they can't do as well coping with mechs
final gust
warm plinth
speaking of which
Why tf doesn't the mage tower set match the mage tower weaopns
Yeah idk man, you could probably go pretty low fantasy and it wouldn' tlook bad though
sick sentinel
do we get value out of shield block even though sennarth doesnt melee us?
warm plinth
do we get value out of shield block even though sennarth doesnt melee us?
You do 30% more damage with Shield Slam when Shield Block is active.
sharp night
web blast is blocked
sick sentinel
i can't decided if i want to craft a ring or a cloak
floral sundial
@vale glacier Sword and Shield from SotFO match it well
mighty valley
we haven't had a literally unblockable boss since eye of the jailer
sick sentinel
only way im doing ring is if its hour glass
warm plinth
It's not about the socket; it's about being able to customize the stats on a slot that gives a lot of secondaries.
sick sentinel
yeah imma do ring if im not doing cloak, for my last free spark
mighty valley
the hourglass ring is just cute, it's not actually more useful than a normal ring
warm plinth
Yeah it's the same as the other ring except with a weird random ass effect lol
sick sentinel
as long as oyu don't lose stats for it
sick sentinel
to old raids, that house transmog, the true end game
robust lark
this seems to be my typical experience pugging keys. This was a 12 TJS
how to do better
round pendant
how to do better
Pray you get better people next time
dull zodiac
nvm wrong chat lol
robust lark
Pray you get better people next time
I knew I was missing something fundamental
warm plinth
idk that damage is plenty for a 12 tbh
robust lark
yeah we still timed it fine
robust lark
that was the reason I ran it at a 12...jumped across the room a few times but didn't die. 4 dps deaths standing in cone though XD
warm plinth
The weapon type makes no difference
feral dune
no?
warm plinth
Not even sort of
The only reason sword is the common item is because it's common for people to have gone into that specialty
It has no advantages over any other weapon type
feral dune
gotcha gotcha
sick sentinel
have to get gems crafted now in df?
warm plinth
The primary stat gems you do
The others you can buy off the AH
Primary stat ones require the illimited diamonds which are BoP
er
the primary stat ones are BoP and require the illimited diamonds
if I could talk properly
warm plinth
we love haste
sick sentinel
this one took me isle of thunder
game correct, 100% dont remember this place
absolutely don't remember
warm plinth
I wonder if it just takes you to a zone you haven't been to in a long time, or just zones with the lowest boss kills or something
short elk
The cobalt rep ring - what ilvl is it worth replacing?
warm plinth
Are you talking about the shield ring or the dps ring
short elk
Either? I’m using the dps one rn
warm plinth
Whenever it gets outsimmed
I wouldn't drop much ilevel for the shield ring personally
Maybe 10 ilevels
short elk
Kk I’ll sim it thanks
prime sphinx
done 15 court runs 18+ past 2 days trying for whetstone i hate this place, kinda blasting tho with shiny new kurog trinket
almost 60k overall some dungs
neon eagle
Should I upgrade my Larriate first to 418 or Sword?
prime sphinx
sword
sick sentinel
finally 400
somber shell
oh man I screwed up and made a shield and it's got a 3rd embellishment on it
do I need to find someone to re-craft one of my other items to remove the embellishment?
warm plinth
Well, recraft something, yes
somber shell
ugh
warm plinth
either the shield or another item
somber shell
😢
errant lark
are we meant to push Execute much?
naive panther
spriest giving me PI added 20k overall to my SBG dps
final gust
I presume we want to keep vanguard up as higher priority than exe?
pallid quiver
iirc in ST, pushing vanguard back a bit for execute is a slight DPS gain? I remember Mwahi saying something about it, but I can't actually remember, so
reef holly
Hey team I have over 3k valor- should I blow it on maxing out the AV shield? I’m currently rocking the 402 crafted one
inner rock
this seems to be my typical experience pugging keys. This was a 12 TJS
yeah, this one i did just makes me so sad: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yQm9fFjA3BdzJKCY/#fight=last
mighty valley
Hey team I have over 3k valor- should I blow it on maxing out the AV shield? I’m...
what key levels are you likely to do? you can get primal infusions/concentrated primal infusions to boost your crafted gear
and save valor for your m+ drops
robust lark
yeah, this one i did just makes me so sad: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...
lordy
reef holly
what key levels are you likely to do? you can get primal infusions/concentrated ...
I’m doing 15-16
mighty valley
ok yeah, don't valor blast your shield, just collect the concentrated primal things
warm plinth
are we meant to push Execute much?
Should be specified, you press Execute in single target
warm plinth
I remember the same
@pallid quiver
pallid quiver
Thaaaat's the one, love ya Ghash
warm plinth
I've been telling people to ignore 2-set this whole time so I had to verify for my own sanity. Figured you guys would like to know for sure too.
pallid quiver
I think if you super optimize it's uptime, it's a slightly larger DPS increase, but still minor
reef holly
how much longer for ksm
Finally got it last week. Keep on truckin
sick sentinel
second i can im getting 4pc set
pallid quiver
I think I remember seeing Nome and MWahi talk about that one
pallid quiver
but that was even longer ago
sick sentinel
3/5 right now, i would get 5/5 if i can even
sick sentinel
it just feels right the get the entire set
pallid quiver
literally key breaking
quiet monolith
anyone mind @'ing me a nice council spam sick dps prot tank spec? 🙂
i lost all mine
sick sentinel
yeah, i need hands or head
young pagoda
hello. Which crafted trinket is good for prot?
warm plinth
None of them are anything special
errant cipher
did the prot build change any?
warm plinth
Nope
tulip egret
my legs 402, are about to be 415 setpiece when I use catalyst. But I have two sparks and two 418 infusions, should I just make the trinket and replace blazebinder until I get something better?
warm plinth
It's your call. If you have nothing else that you need to use them on, go for it
Looks like you're fairly set outside of that trinket so it's not a terrible idea
Just use a droptimizer sim on prof items and see if it's actually gonna be worth though
Would suck to make it and then it's not better lol
tulip egret
Okay thanks !
tulip kelp
I haven't seen alchemist stone trinket discussed much.. the 418 haste stone sims like ~700 dps higher than my 408 all totem but that's prob fake news right?
warm plinth
In what, ST?
tulip kelp
Yeah, even higher dps increase with additional targets
echo canyon
is it better to aim for a high ilvl shield or mainhand?
cloud umbra
nice!
tulip kelp
is it better to aim for a high ilvl shield or mainhand?
Why not both? But I'd prio shield first
warm plinth
is it better to aim for a high ilvl shield or mainhand?
Shield first, then weapon
echo canyon
craft a 418 shield? 🤔
warm plinth
trim bay
w=
onyx smelt
anyone know what addon/wa shows important casts going off on your screen?
outer sun
Yo question
inner rock
is it normal to outheal your healer as warr in m+?
outer sun
Is dwarf the play? in 24s
sand mason
agile elbow
Is Phial of Eye in the Storm any good or should we be using something else?
warm plinth
is it normal to outheal your healer as warr in m+?
It's possible/normal-ish. I wouldn't pay much attention to HPS meters in general. Did people die? No? Then it doesn't matter.
sick sentinel
Is Phial of Eye in the Storm any good or should we be using something else?
i use that and tepid versatility
inner rock
It's possible/normal-ish. I wouldn't pay much attention to HPS meters in genera...
it makes me want them doing more dps tho
sick sentinel
the one about you stand still and get str and move and get ms seems to be a trap
sick sentinel
theres another one thats you have to be alone from friendly players, that one sucks too
warm plinth
As far as DPSing on a healer goes, it really just depends on how comfortable they are with the key/their spec. But I'd rather they focus on keeping people alive if they're just gonna have people dying if they don't.
sick sentinel
thats my opinion, debate me
slim dove
dont expect healers in low keys to dps
onyx vessel
robust lark
can whetstone drop if I'm in prot loot selection?
inner rock
no, which is very sad
robust lark
noted
sick sentinel
im set to loot as fury because ????
tulip egret
Are my stats okay here, this is haste rune on weap and not ITF yet
slim dove
Are my stats okay here, this is haste rune on weap and not ITF yet
yeah dw about it
ilvl > all
prio haste and crit when possible.
pallid quiver
or haste and vers if you wanna be part of the other tribe
vers and crit kinda equal
we just throw mud at each other
lone eagle
Yo gamers
M Kurog, earth ele dies during Bedrock
The bedrocks that go out from it that are invisible - do they do damage
fair tinsel
Hey guys just going over logs for the prot warrior in my raid, he has 27% haste and only has like 50% uptime on shield block - this should be higher right?
undone verge
Hey guys just going over logs for the prot warrior in my raid, he has 27% haste ...
yes
but theres definitely other issues, if you link a log we can see better
sick sentinel
does he understand that its what 30%dmg increase to his SS?
more dmg and more threat
cedar trench
it's a bit more complex than that, context is important
undone verge
I dont think theres a fight this raid where you wouldnt have SS up for at least 80% of the fight
cedar trench
Yea for sure but you cant answer a question unless you know other variables IMO
but yes 50% is low regardless
undone verge
I agree, but Idk what variables would cause such downtime since any time you can dps you should have SB up
sick sentinel
even if hes not actively tanking boss its more dmg meaning boss dies tiny bit faster
other tank just hit more threat buttons shrug
cedar trench
dead/executing instead (bad but i've seen it)/doesn't think he needs it for not active tanking
heaps of possibilities
toxic mesa
yeah i do let my shield block fall down during execute phase while offtanking
still my uptimes are like 85-95, depending on fights
cedar trench
Yea my point is there's a lot of variables logs are just insane context when asking a question
toxic mesa
but yeah, if someone has 50% uptime on shield block and/or ignore pain, they are doing things wrong
cedar trench
as in they're completely not there or just wont come down?
toxic mesa
has someone tried doing some magic tricks or cheese mechanics with them?
onyx vessel
Dont get bugged birds or better yet dont run AA
cedar trench
thats a gg next angle if they dont come down you can get a ranged to jump and tag them
onyx vessel
Till its fixed
cedar trench
thats a GG next 
toxic mesa
ive seen them bug out if someone dies during the bird packs, the small birds somehow cling to that guy if he releases
onyx vessel
Just like last season of SL with taz bug where you would be able to get all instruments and the fight would break
Guess what it was never patched
cedar trench
onyx vessel
Very rare it happened tho
toxic mesa
also in azure vaults if you pull those whelp packs they teleport to the rest of your group after you die
which is a nice bug
toxic mesa
and in azure vault one time someone cc's a vault guardian in the 2nd boss room, then we went down to kill those frogs
a couple of minutes later that vault guardian teleported to us in the last frog room
*cc'd
inner rock
Ive not seen this before, second pack in smbg had a void ele teleport into the pack after pull.
toxic mesa
ive seen it once
naive panther
yeah has happened to me, big rip
inner rock
They hurt when bolstered rofl
toxic mesa
we always pull that pack to the spiderlings because of that
if the big boi suddenly decides to appear there
inner rock
At first i thought blizz had stealth buffed the dungeon
analog sparrow
anyone done the mage tower as prot? I can not get inquisitor down before 3 infernals and most guides say try to get him before the 2nd. Anyone able to do that this time around?
warm plinth
anyone done the mage tower as prot? I can not get inquisitor down before 3 in...
idk infernals are generally not something that I worry much about personally. I haven't done it on pwar this time around but I did it in Legion (I did Guardian in Legion and in SL). Less infernals really just means more space denial, but you basically never stop moving in p2 anyway and you have a charge if you happen to get yeeted. If they're causing a problem for you, then I'd worry. Otherwise I wouldn't let an arbitrary number bother you.
warm plinth
It's less generous than hew in my experience. But yes you can kite it
void marten
I think yiu can kite so you dont take the shadow whatever hit
yeah but my mom raised no pussy
inner rock
Lol, your healer must have loved that pack in a 22 then
analog sparrow
idk infernals are generally not something that I worry much about personally. I...
much appreciated like always!
inner rock
If you did mt in legion is there any reason to do it again?
cedar trench
the new armor set
timid beacon
How many stacks of Sundering Strikes are you all taking in heroic Vault from Grimtotem?
proud dock
sheeeet ill take it
proud dock
its ok, i need attention anyways kekW omegalul
lavish oracle
How many stacks of Sundering Strikes are you all taking in heroic Vault from Gri...
Is there ever a reason to take more than 1?
timid beacon
We had taken 2 each in normal but we getting trucked doing that now
lavish oracle
Yeah, there's no reason to take more than 1
Unless your healers wanna pad their parse
timid beacon
Does the sundering strikes dot stack?
sturdy sable
Yes
sturdy sable
Just dont mention it ever
inner rock
Thats the sort of thing where you collectiveky wonder how no one else realized what the problem was and told you guys though.
warm plinth
What a waste of a raid night
Next raid night just be like I had a thought; let's swap on one stack and see how it goes. And then you're a hero.
warm plinth
It's not worth pressing unless you need the heal
sturdy sable
You should really be using that as more of a safety net
warm plinth
The damage is insignificant
sturdy sable
And not on cd
void marten
yeah but what if the victory was impending
sturdy sable
Then maybe
sturdy sable
Really impend it
warm plinth
Impend the fuck out of that victory
wintry anvil
Who is hitting Impending victory at 60-70% health?
warm plinth
🤔
void marten
what do you guys think the next 4 piece will be?
my guess is "Whenever you cast Rend, you also apply it to one nearby enemy"
warm plinth
I don't understand your question
wintry anvil
sorry, people in my guild are saying to use it at 60-70%... i said use it at 20-30%
warm plinth
If you're missing 30% health, use it
wintry anvil
just wondering which of those most are using it
warm plinth
There's no reason at all to wait until you're that low. You shouldn't even really ever get that low.
wintry anvil
double bone slash on first pack of sbg shudders
sturdy sable
Usually milliseconds after a healer heals me
void marten
"During Shield Wall you get 5% Leech"
sturdy sable
Oh baby
warm plinth
The next tier set should be a lot more interesting
They haven't done a first tier tier set in quite a while so they made them fairly mediocre on purpose
warm plinth
SL didn't have tier in S1, BFA didn't have tier at all, Legion didn't have tier in "S1"
I don't know if WoD did; I wasn't around long in that one before I took a break
void marten
technically nighthold was part of s1 in legion as far as i remember
"Your Bleed effects heal you 2% of the damage they deal"
warm plinth
It was the second raid though is what I mean
Emerald Nightmare didn't have a tier set
wintry anvil
thanks guys, that was helpful ❤️
tame jasper
what do you guys think the next 4 piece will be?
I hope they remove sets and therefore the need to raid to get bonus (and please dont come with, you can get it from vault / catalyst)
void marten
au contraire i wish they added more sets/unique items
they're the most fun part of the game imo
void marten
they were fun in legion
warm plinth
I'm still salty about them getting rid of the speed/CD reset embellishment
inner rock
They should definitely do more misc set items, like the legion haste set etc.
void marten
i also hope they add legendaries but i doubt they will
majority seems to hate the idea of orange colored loot
inner rock
They just suck at balancing them
Legions rng was baaaaad
Shadowlands was just bland
warm plinth
Borrowed power is a bad idea in general
mighty valley
i don't think legendaries have been exciting except for the original ones, but those have a million other problems when only a few can access them
inner rock
Wow is all borrowed power by now with how frequently abilities and class mechanics are changed
warm plinth
That is not what borrowed power is
dull vine
guys any macro for instance dance?
warm plinth
guys any macro for instance dance?
There's one in the pins
void marten
That is not what borrowed power is
it's semantics, he's right; when in every expansion your abilities and talents change and your class is redesigned there's no inherent power anymore
remember this was borrowed power 2 months ago?
warm plinth
And yet, it is now part of the class
dull vine
ty
warm plinth
This is the first expansion since WoD where we haven't had significant borrowed power.
inner rock
Mw literally had one previously "borrowed power" now inherent removed and an old borrowed power replace it just within this season. Its all borrowed.
warm plinth
changing a talent or an ability is not borrowed power. It's called tuning/balance. Unless you think they should just leave specs alone and if they're bad they're bad idk
Borrowed power by definition is temporary. Talents are not temporary. Can they be changed? Sure. But we literally just got these talent trees so it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't be set in stone 2 months into the expansion.
inner rock
At some point tuning becomes remaking. Id argue when you change one ability to something completely different, thatta not tuning. Thats replacement, and it sets the precedent that you cant expect anything about a class is permanent. Which is borne out since wotlk on.
warm plinth
Artifacts, legendaries, covenants, shards of domination, those are borrowed power
Tier sets are borrowed power too, though if they keep doing them like the current ones, I have no problem with that
inner rock
Youre making a distinction without a difference, but its not a big deal and not worth arguing over. I hear you, but i think that you miss why borrowed power is bad with your definition.
warm plinth
Borrowed power IS bad. I never said it wasn't.
I said the opposite.
How am I borrowing something that is literally a part of my class/spec?
brisk flax
Remind me again when vers starts to have diminishing returns as a stat?
inner rock
How am I borrowing something that is literally a part of my class/spec?
Blizz is just as likely to remove a thing from your class as they are a borrowed power item, hence everything is borrowed.
warm plinth
To answer your question though, all stats DR starting at 30% from rating.
brisk flax
that's what i thought
Im sitting over 4k vers and was thinking about pulling some out for Crit
but was not 100% sure if it would be beneficial to do so
warm plinth
You don't need any specific amounts of stats
You can have 0 vers and you'd be fine
Vers stacking is a meme
odd trellis
good morning, i have 376 lfr set piece and 392 non set on this slot, as tank i go for 4 bonus or 2 and itemlevel?
warm plinth
Are you doing keys or just raid?
round shale
hi Ruby Whelp shell should be trained full ST?
odd trellis
only keys
odd trellis
ok thx
dusky canopy
Does anyone run bolster for any raid boss in particular? RL who is a fellow warrior was suggesting I use it on brood just wondering other opinions
mighty valley
if you need constant sb uptime just go hr
dusky canopy
That’s what I’ve been doing swapping between itf and hr
round shale
hi Ruby Whelp shell should be trained full ST?
cedar trench
for what content
round shale
M+
cedar trench
dont use it
ionic path
I have 3 in ST and 3 in AoE on my ruby 😄 About 6-7% overall damage in a key.
cedar trench
^ thats a good option if its your only item
limpid anchor
I have 3 in ST and 3 in AoE on my ruby 😄 About 6-7% overall damage in a key.
Overall dmg doesn’t say much
cedar trench
well it does and doesn't
ionic path
Overall dmg doesn’t say much
What?
cedar trench
SR will do 20%
night galleon
it did 100% of my health through IP and SR
cedar trench
ahh haunting ok
night galleon
on a +20
violet violet
It doesn’t recast after stun
lofty widget
stun it
violet violet
It’s fast though, but that’s the easiest way to outplay
limber flame
Does anyone run bolster for any raid boss in particular? RL who is a fellow warr...
you run bolster if you are running ITF to make up for SB downtime
cedar trench
weirdge
low salmon
what gems should be used on the lariat? haste + vers?
cedar trench
haste + x
lofty widget
haste should be the lower stat so lariat procs it
cedar trench
proc vs static
low salmon
ah, gotcha
deep plume
Do we have new talent builds this week ?
warm plinth
No
cedar trench
O.o no
deep plume
Can some one link the old buils then for M+ and raid. Had to reinstall and lost mine
warm plinth
They're in the pins
cedar trench
deep plume
Am guessing the icy-vain wow head pin ?
cedar trench
deep plume
TY
chilly brook
@mortal brook how bad are the bear bugs?
ionic fern
Almost as bad as the..bedbugs.
finite scarab
whats go to wep enchant for m+
modest gulch
Just realized I'm bad, bros this is unacceptable. I didn't fucking know that you could press Shield Block twice and the duration would increase... I thought that shit would get overwritten... same with Shield Charge applying Shield Block also adding to the duration
I've been fucking TROLLING trying to manage "shield block exactly one time every 8s and use shield charge in between"
fuck me
warm plinth
Hey kantharos, idk if you know this but Shield Block duration increases if you use it multiple times.
(up to 3x base duration)
modest gulch
so it can cap at 24s
warm plinth
yes
Or 18 if you aren't talented into Enduring Defenses (though idk why you wouldn't be)
modest gulch
I downloaded elvui and a shield block weak aura and I'm like, "wtf how is that timer way over 8s?"
modest gulch
Or 18 if you aren't talented into Enduring Defenses (though idk why you wouldn't...
I should make sure, another point of badness is I don't deviate to much from premade talent specs
which are notoriously unreliable
warm plinth
All the premade specs in the guides/pins should have it
cinder nova
Just realized I'm bad, bros this is unacceptable. I didn't fucking know that yo...
I mean, there's no reason to slam ShBl
The CD is consecutive, not concurrent
You should be pressing it only as much as you need to keep it going, which is to say that the ideal situation is to avoid using the second charge as much as you can to ensure you have something in your back pocket. Keep it up for DPS and active tanking.
But just doubling down is doodoo
warm plinth
Nah but there's a difference between mashing it and knowing you don't have to wait til the very last milisecond to press it again
modest gulch
Yesterday there was a conversation about shield block uptime, so I was paying more attention to it.
ionic fern
whats go to wep enchant for m+
Frozen.
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
modest gulch
But just doubling down is doodoo
At like the beginning of a trash pull in +19 AV I'm hitting Shield Charge (throws up defensives, generates rage) then hitting shield block twice so I don't have to worry about it again for another ~22s... 100% uptime. Yea if it was a smaller pull or some scenario where I didn't need 20+ seconds of uptime I might not do that.
ionic fern
Just realized I'm bad, bros this is unacceptable. I didn't fucking know that yo...
It's fine, i had a co-tank yesterday in a HC pug who did 11k ST DPS at 404 ilvl..had Ravager talented and used it exactly 0 times.
Sad thing is..he diddn't realise he was bad.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning.
ionic fern
At like the beginning of a trash pull in +19 AV I'm hitting Shield Charge (throw...
You hit Charge first tho, right..?
modest gulch
yea to get in
modest gulch
It's fine, i had a co-tank yesterday in a HC pug who did 11k ST DPS at 404 ilvl....
I freeze up like that when I'm pushing into keys I'm not experience with yet. Pay too much attention to defensives and stop doing damage like I should.
cinder nova
At like the beginning of a trash pull in +19 AV I'm hitting Shield Charge (throw...
Literally don't need to do that. Off the GCD, you'll be flush with rage.
modest gulch
I work through it but I dip into "OMG DONT FUCK UP" mode and it just throws me off
cinder nova
Should probably be throwing Rav into a Charge into Demo + Shield Block
That way you have DR, damage, rage, cleave, and you're getting extra damage on ShCH
ionic fern
Well, i tried VDH tanking this week and realised that Warriors have a very-very-very good life compared to them.
Gave my healer like 50 heart attacks on the first RLP pull.
And myself probably like 60.
warm plinth
sadge
ionic fern
I honestly don't know how they get by.
😂
I had to actually kite.
Because no CD's.
onyx marsh
nooby question, raidbots shows that upgrading my shield from 411 to 418 is like a 100dps upgrade. Is it super important to have a 418 shield compared to using it on another slot that sims higher?
drifting glade
lofty widget
it's your best defensive item
onyx marsh
ty
robust lark
So I'm running keys and logging them, but the DPS displayed on warcraft logs is always a little lower for everyone than details shows. Anyone know why
warm plinth
Yes, because logs count downtime. Details stops recording once everyone is out of combat.
robust lark
sick I figured that might be it
silent anchor
Well, i tried VDH tanking this week and realised that Warriors have a very-very-...
Watched dorki on his vdh. Worse health bar than bdk
ionic fern
Pretty sure you can hover over the "Active" part and it will tell you the "DPS While Active".
Which should be pretty much the same as Details.
@robust lark
ionic fern
Watched dorki on his vdh. Worse health bar than bdk
Too busy to watch streams.
And lack of interest.
But jeah.
silent anchor
I had it on on 2nd screen while keying on Holy pally
silent anchor
Lolol how old even r u
ionic fern
Old enough to buy a NES simulator on a USB stick with 1000+ games and play that instead of the Xbox.
silent anchor
Nes is king tho?
ionic fern
Found my good old ninja cat game.
silent anchor
I have all the old genuine consoles in my game room 😎
ionic fern
Blasting that.
silent anchor
Damn. You're not old enough 🤣
Megadrive n snes. Old Mario n sonic games bring back the good old gaming days
ionic fern
Jeah.
And the graphics don't even look bad since i'm already used to seeing cubes as my daughter insists on playing Minecraft.
silent anchor
Jeah.
And the graphics don't even look bad since i'm already used to seeing cube...
🤣🤣
A game I never got into
ionic fern
A game i was forced into.
silent anchor
But I did help my daughter try build hogwarts
That was kinda...hard?
Safe too say we didn't get far
silent anchor
I dont have enough time to commit too that lol
silent anchor
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Castle_of_illusion_Mickey_mouse.j...
I actually have a hard copy of this
ionic fern
Jeah.
silent anchor
I cant comprehend
proven patio
I actually have a hard copy of this
Me and my brother spent so many hours playing it...
ionic fern
All we do is try to catch dogs and cats and parrots and things.
silent anchor
All we do is try to catch dogs and cats and parrots and things.
😅😅 I've got her playing wow a little now. N she plays sims. Meh
ionic fern
silent anchor
Me and my brother spent so many hours playing it...
Saaaaame. I remember my brother slamming off the snes on thr last level of mario cause bowser ran towards the screen
ionic fern
😅😅 I've got her playing wow a little now. N she plays sims. Meh
For sure on her own account as not to breach blizzards rules.
silent anchor
He thought he was gonna come through
silent anchor
For sure on her own account as not to breach blizzards rules.
Well yeah it's free till lvl20
Also can't play with her on it on thr same account 😒
Level 20 comes in too quick
Learn nothing
ionic fern
Really?
Mine must be younger cause we can't level for nothing.
Too busy chasing bunnies and deers and discovering places
Well, regardless..VDH feels so weird to play compared to Warrior.
silent anchor
She's 11. Not really interested in chasing things. Just wanted too smash lol
silent anchor
Well, regardless..VDH feels so weird to play compared to Warrior.
I never lile the kiting playstyle
ionic fern
It's like "I take more damage, have less defensives, but also heal less".
ionic fern
She's 11. Not really interested in chasing things. Just wanted too smash lol
Je, mine's 9.
ionic fern
how did the alt run go?
We did Eranog -> Diurna 10+ wipes -> Rasz..and then i left.
That warrior was something else.
He lost aggro on Diurna ON PULL
jagged pier
ionic fern
To a DPS'er.
And then complained "stop doing DPS".
"Can't hold aggro".
He was 404 ilvl.
jagged pier
ionic fern
But you know..i get curious as to what's going on
So i go and look at the log
And see this:
His casts in the first 20s of the fight.
warm plinth
any taunts in chat
drifting needle
Suuuuurely the boss was on the wrong side on pull for his egg route?
warm plinth
I do less taunts than that in a single dungeon sometimes
drifting needle
Yikes haha
prisma crane
Does he know that taunt itself doesn't generate threat?
Kinda gotta cast more than 2 abilities in nearly 23 seconds
warm plinth
If that pic is any indication, taunt is the ONLY thing that generates threat.
ionic fern
Does he know that taunt itself doesn't generate threat?
I doubt it.
He was doing 11k DPS.
Had Ravager talented.
Used it 0 times.
prisma crane
Jesus
remote venture
I have aded logs for my prot here if anyone want to look: #449510248579858432 message
I think I get all the feedback but maybe I miss something
left cave
is warrior still in a good spot despite more nerfs...?
remote venture
Yes
left cave
okay
jagged pier
thats a link to wow analyser not logs
remote venture
ah, right. Do you rather have logs then the wow analyser?
flat jackal
is warrior still in a good spot despite more nerfs...?
Do you have a link to the nerfs?
remote venture
flat jackal
My guikdies keep asking me if I’ll play warrior now that it’s been nerfed to the ground and idk what they’re saying
ionic fern
My guikdies keep asking me if I’ll play warrior now that it’s been nerfed to the...
Tell them "Yes".
jagged pier
tell them its deadge
flat jackal
Tell them "Yes".
I mean, 6-7% more physical damage taken is still a lot less than other tanks LOL
left cave
true
flat jackal
tell them its deadge
I’ll tell them it’s dead so they’ll think I’m god tier
When I don’t die
left cave
lol
jagged pier
no 6-7% on blockable damage
left cave
i havent played in afew weeks
remote venture
thats a link to wow analyser not logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aNW8pZCRVHAGzyL2 I suspect that I uses IP too often. When I am 100 Rage I usally do two Revenage if I have IP and SB up, maybe that is incorrect? Somehow I am not spaming Thunder Clap enough.
ionic fern
Analysing m+ logs for errors in gameplay is a pain. 😦
hasty wraith
Are there any videos or written guides on how to analyse prot war logs properly?
ionic fern
Quickly:
-You're blocked hits is 65% which is awfully low for the talent build you're running. Should be 85%+
-You seem to be casting IP wayyy too much.
-You are not casting SS/TC on CD.
-You are not casting your CD's enough.
jagged pier
your also running Barbaric tuning
limpid anchor
Personally I wouldn’t run the revenge talent
jagged pier
which cause a tone of rage issues
ionic fern
Are there any videos or written guides on how to analyse prot war logs properly?
The good old Jakey copy-pasta.
hasty wraith
Thanks a lot. Will definitely give that a look
remote venture
Quickly:
-You're blocked hits is 65% which is awfully low for the talent build y...
Does the SB help with Block hits or is it I that are not front to the trash mobs? The other are correct. I use IP when there are lot of things is going on.
ionic fern
I don't know?
😂
I'd need to see a replay of your play
.To know if you were facing the mobs or not.
remote venture
It's just me to try to understand what is happning, but it can be one of the reason right?
ionic fern
This is a video from SL..but a lot of what @modern brook says still holds true (he goes over someones replay and explaining what they are doing wrong):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l5H6cGEXxk
ionic fern
It's just me to try to understand what is happning, but it can be one of the rea...
Yes.
Shield Block is your main mitigation tool, you should aim to have it up as much as possible when actively tanking.
limpid anchor
@ionic fern when are you doing review videos :(
ionic fern
I mean
ionic fern
I've always offered to look over peoples shoulders if they stream to me on Discord so i can give live feedback...
remote venture
your also running Barbaric tuning
Good point. I just took it from WowHead talnet build. I should change it. Here is the build. Any tips where I shoukd spend it https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUkRRQRpFRRBBNVUVEVFRFVYVUQDQBA
ionic fern
Think i've had only 2 people take me up on that offer.
ionic fern
But they do get good.
jagged pier
limpid anchor
Think i've had only 2 people take me up on that offer.
I didn’t know
warm plinth
His stream reviews are literally just him yelling GIT GUD over and over again
remote venture
Shield Block is your main mitigation tool, you should aim to have it up as much ...
The Analytics say I have 95% SB uptime so I was confuse that I had low blocks then expected
jagged pier
wowanaylser isnt maintained its very likely its doesnt work correctly
ionic fern
But he gets results
It makes the person i review angry..and then they need to learn to...manage that anger.
ionic fern
And if they learn to Anger Management correctly ..it means they are already 80% good.
warm plinth
Solid lesson plan
ionic fern
The Analytics say I have 95% SB uptime so I was confuse that I had low blocks th...
WoWAnalyzer is not up to date for Prot.
Our good old friend @sullen valve is MIA.
warm plinth
WoWanalyzer isn't update for a ton of specs
remote venture
That's explains it
ionic fern
Hope you're doing good buddy.
remote venture
I saw the Barbaric Tranning discuss and I agree with it not now I saw I have it in my talnets 😅
warm plinth
Also
hasty thistle
Im new to prot warrior have been playing it for a week and have a question. Does Punish apply to all enemies or is it just the one target you shield slam?
ionic fern
Im new to prot warrior have been playing it for a week and have a question. Does...
Just the one.
remote venture
So I should put that talnet point some here else
hasty thistle
ty
warm plinth
I don't think your blocking issue is turning your back. At least, not most of the problem. Your Shield Block uptime in general is low (which is not an incredibly important metric but as low as it is, it's a warning sign).
ionic fern
So I should put that talnet point some here else
Take the m+ talent build from pins.
ionic fern
You very rarely have to kite.
0 at the levels you are doing.
You use it to Interrupt Casts.
worldly wing
would you take a 389 sacle or a 405 whelp shell , with crit trained for the big brained parry proc lol
worldly wing
granyths sorry ahah
worldly wing
im convincing myself the haste would be past the DR ceiling nad the crit gives me parry >.>
ionic fern
I just trained it ST cast.
potent anvil
jagged pier
ionic fern
remote venture
Is sim your gear the best why to see what stats you should go for? e.g. if I am close to 30% Haste, I should focus on Ver och Crit.
Oh, I am very bad to use spell reflaction..... Should I just use it all the time if the pack has casters?
hardy snow
Is sim your gear the best why to see what stats you should go for? e.g. if I am ...
focus on ilvl, stat weights are not good way to choose gear, if you need sim you can sim particular gear pieces
hardy snow
Oh, I am very bad to use spell reflaction..... Should I just use it all the time...
no, that way you could waste it to reflect no casts at all, or reflect some irrelevant low hit
cedar trench
genshii's SR wa is good if ur slackin
strong forum
It's better than not using it at all
remote venture
Okey, so if the party is good to interrupt all casts, spell refection is not needed at all?
hardy snow
Okey, so if the party is good to interrupt all casts, spell refection is not nee...
if party is good they will intentionally not interrupt some casts so you can SR them 😉
ionic fern
😂
mortal brook
<@151073532904734720> how bad are the bear bugs?
Fixed
cedar trench
thats funny
ionic fern
Is bear good yet Steve?
cedar trench
my /yell on reflect makes people kick
ionic fern
I'm about to do Mage tower on it..so i can bear playing it.
remote venture
if party is good they will intentionally not interrupt some casts so you can SR ...
haha, good point!
warm plinth
I'm about to do Mage tower on it..so i can bear playing it.
I see what you did there
strong forum
Okey, so if the party is good to interrupt all casts, spell refection is not nee...
It's still 20% magic DR, there are alot of aoe pulses where you should send it just for the DR
remote venture
Yeah, that was I was thinking about
hardy snow
And some casts are not interruptable, for example first boss in RLP
mortal brook
Is bear good yet Steve?
5 good tanks
jagged pier
cedar trench
"warrior dethroned by BRM monk!? Monk scale with gear giga!?"
ionic fern
5 good tanks
What's the issues tho?
cedar trench
andys chat mixed in with the "Andybrew more like andyWARRIOR KEKW" and "When brew key?"
cedar trench
gatekeeping warrior 🤔
patent osprey
Think i've had only 2 people take me up on that offer.
Plz watch over me senpai
ionic fern
Plz watch over me senpai
I watch over you every time you stream.
mortal brook
What's the issues tho?
Naked pwar safer than 17 ironfurs
ionic fern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsdbNcmvLc
Still one of my favourite videos.
ionic fern
Naked pwar safer than 17 ironfurs
Nice.
blazing condor
prideful
ionic fern
I swear..other tanks would be tankier if they just wore plate and equipped a shield.
Idk who the hell thinks:
"I'm going to equip leather gear and double weapons and/or a staff TO TANK!"
rough egret
Back in the day, i had an opinion that class without a shield cant be a tank
remote venture
Drick beer to take less dmg
livid totem
Even inside Avatar, do you guys still use shield slam over thunderclap if there are no more than 4 targets ? I'm never sure which one to use first when shield slam procs
rough egret
But class fantasy being a big moma bear is very nice to me 🙂
blazing condor
Idk who the hell thinks:
"I'm going to equip leather gear and double weapons and...
cant kill what you can't hit
ionic fern
Not sure if a pun about other tanks having to kite or a reference to brews dodges.
blazing condor
yes
ionic fern
mortal brook
Fixed within 2 days of live, and you didnt even play half that shit. Complain more about state of tbh
remote venture
When is Rogue dodge tank coming back?
mortal brook
Mists classic with symbiosis
blazing condor
pog
orchid frigate
im so friggin annoyed on how easily dps players like to accuse tanks for tiny mistakes but when a dps player ninja pulls or dies for no good reason theyre just silently igonring it
ionic fern
im so friggin annoyed on how easily dps players like to accuse tanks for tiny mi...
Just ignore them.
99% of DPS players are mongs.
orchid frigate
but why are they like this?
ionic fern
blazing condor
mongolians
mortal brook
i dont remember what pwarrs got from symbiosis
Stamp shout for arms fury, and savage def for prot
blazing condor
ah yea
ionic fern
but why are they like this?
Because they think all they have to do is DPS.
They don't think about:
-Having to dodge things;
-Having to interrupt things;
-Having to use their utility;
-Having situational awareness;
They think they have 0 responsibility.
blazing condor
-having to know the dungeon
-having to know the mobs
tldr dps dont need to think to be good dps
orchid frigate
god forbid you have to position a mob so a frontal goes of in their direction
blazing condor
they just need to push their buttons and pray everyone else does their stuff for them
orchid frigate
then they rage
livid totem
Because they think all they have to do is DPS.
They don't think about:
-Having t...
don't forget they think they don't have to do any mechanics
ionic fern
I got blamed by DPS'ers for failing a +16 when they had a combined deathpool of 20 and i was 2nd on overall DPS done.
🤷
blazing condor
being a tank is like playing jungler in league
since you can have a lot of impact its easier to blame you if something fails
"you shouldve fixed it"
jagged pier
I got blamed by DPS'ers for failing a +16 when they had a combined deathpool of ...
yer but you didnt pull around there cds which is why they were so low
ionic fern
yer but you didnt pull around there cds which is why they were so low
Je, for sure. 😦
blazing condor
"i had to do mechanics because the other dps didnt want to"
thats why i do 45k overall
orchid frigate
yeah. just feels like theres no win sometimes. if you play risky and something fails its your fault. if you dont you get blamed for being slow
woeful trellis
yer but you didnt pull around there cds which is why they were so low
Or dead and don’t see ur dmg cause dead don’t track
ionic fern
Reminds me of Sennrath progress:
-DPS'ers die before reaching 3rd platform..no one says anything, just CR
-Tank Dies 2 times : "WTf??? Why are you dead?? We don't have CR!!"
orchid frigate
ugh
mortal brook
being a tank is like playing jungler in league
Except bear is teemo this season
ionic fern
Or dead and don’t see ur dmg cause dead don’t track
No, no, you gotta to the MDI pulls because that one DPS'er in your group saw it.
So you do it..and they do negative DPS.
And you fail.
And get blamed because "shit tank died".
orchid frigate
sorry for the rant. needed to vent
mortal brook
Ya good
blazing condor
i got chewed out by my entire raid because i let dps who pulled early die
after i repeatedly say "dont pull before 0 pls"
ionic fern
You pull, you die.
mortal brook
Worth
blazing condor
then i started reseting the boss when that happened
lyric elm
You're just doing him a favor
formal mason
Reminds me of Sennrath progress:
-DPS'ers die before reaching 3rd platform..no o...
Didn't need these flashbacks this early 😂
weary saddle
in TJS, the last pack before the last boss - is there anyway to LOS the aoe?
blazing condor
the haunting gaze?
ionic fern
I would be so happy.
weary saddle
yes i think the sha does a big aoe
ionic fern
yes i think the sha does a big aoe
?
mortal brook
in TJS, the last pack before the last boss - is there anyway to LOS the aoe?
Its all direct hits, but you can disrupt the claw and gaze casts
blazing condor
you either have:
haunting gaze
dark claw
or big sha who do small mobs that explode
mortal brook
Infester does the breath, sidestep it
woeful trellis
I think he means the little sha explodes ?!
weary saddle
ah i think its the explosion, there is a huge aoe dmg
ionic fern
Wait what?
lyric elm
You need to stagger it
woeful trellis
that bolster for whatever reason <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
What
ionic fern
Small sha's boltser?
woeful trellis
Noo way
lyric elm
Lol no
weary saddle
that last pack is the real boss of TJS this week
blazing condor
unless the person i watched yesterday had broken nameplates
looked like it
i dont play 🤷♂️
ionic fern
that last pack is the real boss of TJS this week
But..you're a warrior. 😦
AoE Stun->SR->Sw->Spell Block->SW->SR
weary saddle
i'm not the one dying, my teammates melt
hazy thicket
You forgot fear
weary saddle
it feels like some big aoe
ionic fern
it feels like some big aoe
It's either the frontal beam from the big sha or tiny adds exploding.
Can't really say without logs.
Nothing else goes on there for them.
woeful trellis
I Went w/o spellb in +20 tjs 🤣 and facetanked the pack - I managed it but healer dies
weary saddle
not frontal. its an aoe, i think its add explosion
ionic fern
^
hazy thicket
That pack has been such a moving target for me week on week. I've had groups who finesse it, and it's like it wasn't even there, and I've had groups that were on pace for a solid +2 deplete due to handling it poorly
woeful trellis
In Frontal and flames me for breaking the cc, and we were +15 sec over he did 4K dps dudu heal btw 🤣
Btw why is mail on Hunter like paper?
void marten
if i find a proper group maybe
i've pugged my way up until 23s but it's unbearable anymore
mortal brook
void marten
is there a good seeing red/vo weakaura
errant lark
if im saved to an instance of Vault of incarnates and killed most bosses, and then I run it again with some friends in a 10 man, will they get overall less loot because im saved and they are not? as in will it count it as 9 people in terms of loot
craggy pilot
how do you guys have Boss Frames on your UI? 🤔
i have boss frames off to the side, but i wantthem to be pushed down a bit when there is Key timer, but not when im in raid 😬 seems like its not really possible with default UI
woeful trellis
U can do 2 „ui profiles“ and change it. Then write a Makro that Switches the profiles
warm plinth
is there a good seeing red/vo weakaura
The one in Afenar's suite is pretty good
warm plinth
if im saved to an instance of Vault of incarnates and killed most bosses, and th...
Essentially each person in the raid that is loot eligible is a 20% chance for an item. Normally a 10 man raid has a 100% chance to get 2 items (20% per person x 10 = 200% = 2 items). So if you were to join them while locked, each boss you are locked to would reduce their chance for that second item by 20%.
Or to put it another way, there'd be 1 guaranteed item drop and an 80% chance for a second.
errant lark
thanks, so if we got 1 more and made it 11, that would then be the same as regular unsaved 10?
warm plinth
Yes
trim bay
is there a good seeing red/vo weakaura
@strong forum has a good set up. https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek
errant lark
thanks Ghash
warm plinth
near steppe
Hello guys, in what situations is recomended spell block?
peak badger
Non-dot heavy magic dmg*
hexed crescent
Hi guys, quick question, anything i should be aware of in brood adds on heroic? only tanked her
high drum
there are some frontals
jagged pier
yer they fucking annoying
was out of the animation
nah the circles just move out further than the original cone
cool
👍
tacit haven
It’s a cone, then the actual frontal has another animation after. So don’t move back in just after the ground effect cone is gone 🙂
Also I think only a few mobs out of all the packs does it.
jagged pier
i know its a cone
i was red and got hit because the second circles dont follow the cone apprently
echo canyon
is it worth ot drop pain and gain for barbaric training?
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
because u dont need it
but u dont ever run barbaric
it does nothing
makes u rage starved
and makes tier set worse because u revenge less
tacit haven
BT being 25% damage for 50% cost increase doesn’t seem a good trade. (Specially with tier set where you want to use it every 5 seconds)
jagged pier
on ST
its within the margin of error
so its literally garbage
u can use it in one place
and thats parse whoring on council
cinder jackal
Does anyone have a mechanism of being notified when someone (or your co-tank) rips aggro off you?
jagged pier
the game has that by default should say high aggro if u are ripping threat
blazing condor
i can also see the aggro glow on my party frames
echo canyon
@jagged pier drop pain and gain for intervene?
jagged pier
but u shouldnt be loosing threat as a prot warrior
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> drop pain and gain for intervene?
why?
u use intervene
in one place
and thats HoV
wolf boss
echo canyon
ye i see
warm plinth
This is what I run in keys
cinder jackal
Yeah I have it on my nameplates, but clearly it's not enough!
Not a major issue, but me and the co-tank have pulled aggro off each other a few times. I am mainly interested in getting a notifcation (ideally audible) when I lose aggro (happy for that to be in a legitimate situation i.e. taunt swap)
warm plinth
I drop sidearm for intervene in Halls of Valor but otherwise it remains unchanged
cinder jackal
The boss name plates for a big NCP are right at the top of the screen, and not where my focus is, so I'm missing it
Which is fun on Terros when you drop it's frontal on your raid 🙂
sterile bough
I drop sidearm for intervene in Halls of Valor but otherwise it remains unchange...
whyyyyyyyyy
edgy spear
more leap
sterile bough
what u need it for
stark anchor
leaping
edgy spear
what u need it for
leaping
stark anchor
obviously
sterile bough
hows that QoL its just usless ;s
bitter ravine
lol
edgy spear
its reduced CD on a massive move ability. How is it useless?
warm plinth
Lower CD on mobility spell...increased movespeed after mobility spell... how is it useless lol
edgy spear
I accidentally didnt have bounding on for sennarth after terros on wednesday
Was horrible
sterile bough
u use leap -> enter the pack -> kill it in more time than 45 sec-> leap is back again
echo canyon
is into the fray more a dps gain? and for pushing keys run HR?
sterile bough
packs dont last shorter
echo canyon
leap in pack?
jagged pier
is into the fray more a dps gain? and for pushing keys run HR?
its more damage but u dont run it in high keys
the higher u go the more u want HR
jagged pier
leap in pack?
yer i dont know why anyone would do that
echo canyon
ok
edgy spear
Yeah it can be real danger zone to play ITF in high keys. A buster combined with your block dropping can mean floor pov real fast
warm plinth
Again, what am I gonna use instead? I get use out of just having the 70% movespeed after leaping. It's not all about the CD reduction.
sterile bough
or increased max rage
warm plinth
Or, you just don't cap rage, and then you don't need increased max rage
sterile bough
u will cap rage
bitter ravine
i support you ghash i might spec it myself next time i run hov
warm plinth
I will not cap rage because I know how to play my spec
lofty widget
not if you play properly
sterile bough
no u will
warm plinth
Nope, sure won't
warm plinth
...
edgy spear
Violent outburst erasure smh
jagged pier
its fuels AM
lofty widget
but then its wasting rage
read the anger management tooltip
edgy spear
do you not like 250k shield slam crits?
stark anchor
now that we are on the topic of rage spending, since im a lil newbie prot, would you rather "spam" IP than revenge? so basically just revenge every 5 seconds for the buff or
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
u IP if your going to overcap
stark anchor
gotcha
warm plinth
we love feedback loops
stark anchor
:D
edgy spear
In ST/lower target counts its just about generating as many shield slam procs as you can. When it's on CD, use TC and revenge. It generates more rage which means more defensive value through IP (and IP gained through violet outburst) and it generates CDR through anger mangement, taking CD off avatar and shield wall.
If you play with impenetrable wall and AM, your shield wall CD is around 55-60 seconds instead of the 3.5 mins shown on the tooltip.
Avatar becomes a 35-45 second CD etc.
stark anchor
yeah, i kinda went in not really pressing shield wall for quite a while realized its like on no cd, so now its being used generously lmao
livid cliff
it's good?
strong forum
Nah
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> has a good set up. https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek
I've got it as standalone download aswell
weary saddle
@strong forum saw your mage tower vid and trying to follow!
strong forum
make sure to reflect twisted reflection instead of kicking it like I did in p2
weary saddle
okok
remote venture
Huge QoL talent, wdym why
I was glad you remind me that talnet! I want this in AV in the last boss