That's a great comp for hov
#protection
frosty mango
frosty mango
Been playing both in keys, arms buffs pretty solid
frosty mango
I bet Arms can parry Fenrir bleed and chase
You can but I still pucker my butt every time
plush tendon
also, I was under the impression a prot warrior could intervene the chase target on Fenrir to soak the damage
this works yea?
sick sentinel
man i wish they had d2 town portals in wow
plush tendon
its been a while since Ive been in HoV since getting the portal
sick sentinel
sort of like what dks have
urban bane
yep it works
pallid hare
speaking on which, is there a recommended talent to drop for intervene in HoV?
dusky canopy
I choose between fear or intervene depending on comp
No reason for fear if you’ll instantly dr packs with your groups stuns
plush tendon
I like having fear
dusky canopy
Me too
dusky canopy
True true don’t need it really
pallid hare
fair enough, i really like having the control of fear so i dont like droping it just to make Fenrir easier =/
that seems like a better tradeoff
plush tendon
fair enough, i really like having the control of fear so i dont like droping it ...
Fenrir is like the wall for my groups
Heryja is easy
but Fenrir is what fucks us over
pallid hare
how do you feel about side arm? any idea of how much damage it offers?
heady gyro
Fenrir is like the wall for my groups
he got nerfed recently and isn't too bad this week
plush tendon
he got nerfed recently and isn't too bad this week
yea, but this may be a do 8 20s kind of week for me
for da box
heady gyro
I timed a +21 on Tuesday and before that was not able to get +20 timed in that damn dungeon.
But true tanking this week is aids. No big pulls and everything hurts
plush tendon
yea, not really a great push week
might try a couple of keys; but Id rather schedule with the bois on push weeks
plush tendon
and make sure we have some time off so we can get a bunch in
sick sentinel
is mortal hew a dps problme
sick sentinel
ahh
plush tendon
and tank should be aware
frosty mango
is mortal hew a dps problme
Depends, are they standing in front of it?
sick sentinel
instagib 2
plush tendon
Depends, are they standing in front of it?
mortal hew likes to do some funky stuff tbh
sick sentinel
we;ll
plush tendon
but its on DPS to avoid and tank to be predictable
frosty mango
I never have a problem when I'm dpsing
uneven ice
55% blocked hits is bad?
plush tendon
55% blocked hits is bad?
yes
uneven ice
In a M+?
cinder storm
It's pretty low
sick sentinel
warrior just stood in blsat of light so lol
frigid laurel
Tank can avoid mortal hew
sick sentinel
its a he problem lol
frosty mango
20 this week I personally enjoy watching dps get wrecked by thunder callers in hov
plush tendon
round pendant
I had a warrior stand in all the frontals in CoS
and die like 12 times in the dungeon
plush tendon
20 this week I personally enjoy watching dps get wrecked by thunder callers in h...
thundercallers smack
sterile bough
having contest see who can die most
seems like u are leading 3;2
round pendant
missed the timer by 16 seconds btw
plush tendon
seems like u are leading 3;2
naw, its the arms warrior
cinder storm
I'd argue it's holy radiance
plush tendon
Holy Radiance close second, since you can more easily recover from that going off then losing a dps or healer to the thundercaller smack
we just kick those two things though (and etch when applicable)
and let rune go off
plush tendon
thats gamer english
round pendant
reef holly
finally timed a 15 AV, what a difference a good group makes..
plush tendon
blazing condor
@strong forum
i dont think your viewers like me 
blazing condor
🍝 👍
mighty valley
idk this version of youtube commenting is easy 4 me
sweet summit
<@192743144276623360>
i dont think your viewers like me <:sadge:820202363359854...
GOOD FUCKING SHIT
blazing condor
pog
deft mortar
Despite no fat panda skip
static girder
just me who feel allot squishier then before?
blazing condor
i mean we did get our block a bit nerfed
but shouldnt be a huge difference
~6-7% more damage according to pins
static girder
i dunno, got fkn one shotted by a mob at elemental boss in NOK, with full ignore pain and block up
jagged pier
sounds like arcblade to me
limpid anchor
yo if you use the glaical fury in mage tower, it keeps scaled to that in m+ :D
inner rock
Lol
limpid anchor
if you want to push after doing that shit
jagged pier
just relog
sick sentinel
we timed that hov with no lust its only baby 11 or 12 for 405
hybrid aurora
i dunno, got fkn one shotted by a mob at elemental boss in NOK, with full ignore...
storm bolted?
inland mesa
Are the inscription trinkets actually as good as they Sim for?
solar spear
is it worth crafting a lariat with the right stats for a few lower ilvl when i already have one with crit mast (for fury)?
plush tendon
is it worth crafting a lariat with the right stats for a few lower ilvl when i ...
naw; just use what ya got
if ya got a extra spark lying around then you can make a prot specific one
or one with haste/crit for arms/prot
sick sentinel
i got heroic alltotem, normal dathea maybe? trinket and then like horn of valor with avoidance
solar spear
fair thankks
silent anchor
pretty much just craft what you have as a low ilvl right?
sick sentinel
so i am very happy with my trinket situation
mighty valley
yeah you'd be better off using a spark for another piece of good gear rather than slightly optimizing secondaries on a piece you already have
sick sentinel
im gunna do ring, to replace my ring of shame (elemental) one nbow
silent anchor
why is my puzzle box a 1k dps upgrade
toxic pewter
cuz it gives a lot of mastery
rough egret
Hows mage tower feelin? Compared to last time it was open?
lilac condor
is it okay to spam shield block or you should keep one stack just in case ?
rough egret
If only they would update the rewards too 🙂
blazing condor
is it okay to spam shield block or you should keep one stack just in case ?
not ideal - better to use it when needed so you dont blow 6 seconds on a cast
rough egret
Like some new mog or shiled appearence
sick sentinel
apparently this teleports you to random old raids i dont think its embellishment right? dont see anything about it
rough egret
Can you equip both crafted rings? Or they have same name?
sick sentinel
is blizzard trying to get us to farm out old raids for mogs lol
thatd be a really good idea for lariatt
2 rings nothing on them, lariat, something else that comes with a socket or u can put one on for ur embellsihment
agile elbow
Saw a funny reddit post about someone using that ring and it teleported them to the Maw. 😩
rough egret
Ok so they dont have same name you can craft and equip both 🙂
pallid yarrow
sorry if this has already been asked (i DID review the pins first and didn't see anything) but did you all change any talents with the 10.0.5 nerfs? i only run m+ if that makes a difference
jagged pier
no changes
sonic snow
in situations where you're starved for resources, whats better Ignore Pain or Shield Block?
pallid yarrow
ty jakey
sonic snow
i figure it'd probably be shield block because that'll last longer
warm plinth
i figure it'd probably be shield block because that'll last longer
Shield block. But stop running barbaric training
strong forum
<@192743144276623360>
i dont think your viewers like me <:sadge:820202363359854...
It's fine, they don't know the joke
strong forum
But it's weird that I can't see the replies
mighty valley
shield block should always be running if you're taking any physical damage
blazing condor
But it's weird that I can't see the replies
i cant either i had to do that through paint lol
mighty valley
but if you're often feeling rage starved, that's a different problem to diagnose
sonic snow
i probably just need to manage my rotation better, but i do run into situations where i'm getting slammed and spamming ignore pain. also probably slightly undergeared
warm plinth
You are probably playing wrong
mighty valley
ignore pain is insanely rage inefficient, if you're using it too much you'll be killing your rage generation
warm plinth
The fact that you're asking whether you should press shield block or ignore pain is very telling
lucid pasture
man i hate smbg
warm plinth
Blizzard will nickel and dime nerf us, realize they don't know how to do that effectively, and then in 11.0 they'll do something that just dumpsters the spec
strong forum
It's our most important slot for a reason lol
strong forum
Blizzard will nickel and dime nerf us, realize they don't know how to do that ef...
Other tanks are only 1 buff and 1 pwar nerf away from taking over
limpid pawn
hey what about embelishments
strong forum
Like, the gap isn't that big anymore, the main reason is only spell reflect
At this point
limpid pawn
you guys using frostfire belt? or bracers?
strong forum
I'm using lariat and belt
ionic zenith
guys, does somebody know where my shield is? 😄
is that some known bug since last patch?
lucid pasture
i figure whenever i get that ring from era or brood ill prolly make frostfire
light fulcrum
So we don't use that Talent?
strong forum
It's never recommended to be played other than council parse whoring in raid
warm plinth
I'm just memeing. Because that's how blizzard likes to do shit
light fulcrum
and for m+?
warm plinth
Any time I hear "rage issues" in here, 99% of the time they're running BT
light fulcrum
thanks a lot, gonna get rid of it immediately
strong forum
It'll make you squishier and will fuck you up on bosses in m+
strong forum
Any time I hear "rage issues" in here, 99% of the time they're running BT
This
forest bay
Not on comp rn what's bt?
warm plinth
Barbaric training
lucid pasture
Not on comp rn what's bt?
barbaric training
atomic ruin
What embelishment do you all run for ST and AOE?
ionic zenith
i miss my shield 😦
strong forum
Same as always
strong forum
i miss my shield 😦
It comes back once you go into combat
BT was playable before they nerfed our rage gen on beta
pallid quiver
And during pre-patch
strong forum
But now it's no longer viable
pallid quiver
Blessed be banner with current talents
ionic zenith
It comes back once you go into combat
strong forum
Well yeah banner hard carried
lucid pasture
honestly
strong forum
And tierset
mighty valley
What embelishment do you all run for ST and AOE?
they're all roughly the same value, might as well get frostfire belt in case you get eranog ring
and then lariat probably has the most offspec value even if it's basically the same as other embellishments for us
broken crag
oh, we're not supposed to use BT anymore in m+?
mighty valley
not since beta
limpid pawn
hey which embelishments you guys using?
broken crag
oh wow
limpid pawn
frostfirebelt?
light fulcrum
i only got those in game XD
mighty valley
hey which embelishments you guys using?
look literally two messages up
limpid pawn
what about the bracers though or pants, are they better value for m+?
since its more aoe focues whereas the ring/belt = st
pallid quiver
Read that message again
mighty valley
they all math out to be extremely similar value
broken crag
is BT even useful for like parsing on primal council? or is it completely not worth it?
mighty valley
and if you can turn on the ring it's just free damage since the stats are the same as a normal ring
inland raft
mighty valley
up to your group
broken crag
you have to be good with kicks
strong forum
if you are good with focusing, yes its still the play
mighty valley
if they brainless cleave, it'll be a problem
pallid quiver
If you're in like a 10-16 pug, probably not, though
reef holly
now that catalyst is out- which 2 slots are best for tier?
atomic ruin
they're all roughly the same value, might as well get frostfire belt in case you...
I am looking at getting the belt. I have the ring already. I got the lariot. You use armor spike spike, silken lining, potion buff
mighty valley
armor spikes is a little worse in situations where you don't have constant tank uptime
if you're getting belt+lariat you're set on embellishments anyway
broken crag
so do you never take BT? even for say parsing on Primal Council?
atomic ruin
if you're getting belt+lariat you're set on embellishments anyway
just getting back into the game and this shit is so confusing. So the neck and belt will have the emblishments built into them?
mighty valley
Yes
mighty valley
Some crafted pieces have embellishments built into them and don't have the optional slot on the crafting screen
Others you can choose to slot in an embellishment
Either kind of crafted piece counts towards your two total embellishments
atomic ruin
you can only have 2 of them in total correct?
mighty valley
Yep
atomic ruin
awesome. appreciate it
mighty valley
np! 👍
atomic ruin
do you think it is reasonable to take Seismic Reverberation in ST just to avoid BT and still get down to Endurance Training?
mighty valley
Yeah seismic is standard
jagged pier
u dont need endurance training
reef holly
What's everyone spending valor? tier/trinket upgrades?
deft mortar
"Developers’ notes: Protection Warriors are currently dominating tank populations." BRUH MAYBE cuz there is only 2 tanks that actually use SHIELDS and the other ones are fairy church boys. Dont even get me started on non-plate tanks and dks..
lucid pasture
@strong forum What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Dalaran Academy, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Ahnqiraj, and I have over 300 confirmed depletes. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top tank in the entire Azeroth forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Ironforge Arsenal and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
deft mortar
this copy pasta is boomer stuff now bruh
tender condor
Lol i enjoy it still
atomic ruin
u dont need endurance training
comes out to 20k HP for me. not picking it up gets me Honed Reflexes and i just dumped a point into Cruel Strikes. Think the DPS is worth the trade off?
for ST raid tanking specifically
warm plinth
20k HP's value is exactly 0 unless you regularly die to something from full health and that would have helped you survive.
atomic ruin
fair enough
atomic ruin
20k HP's value is exactly 0 unless you regularly die to something from full heal...
good prespective
limber python
how does bolster expiration work? if the add gets 200k HP from bolster then it wears off, does their "net" HP get a minus 200k, as if it damaged itself by 200k?
or does it lose less
warm plinth
IIRC their HP number doesn't change when bolstering is removed. So you're still doing more damage to the mob than you would've had to if they hadn't bolstered.
cloud umbra
I thought it was the % that stayed the same
limber python
i dont believe that...
cloud umbra
So HP goes up and down
limber python
IIRC their HP number doesn't change when bolstering is removed. So you're still...
referring to this
limber python
I thought it was the % that stayed the same
this sounds right making it a "weighted" hp loss
cloud umbra
ya just watched one of my vods thats what it looks like it is doing
warm plinth
analog sparrow
I did a search on trinkets and saw a lot of good feedback regarding blazebinders hoof. Is it considered a really top tier item? Worth using valor on?
warm plinth
Bolstering drops off this mob at 03:46. His HP does not change as a result.
still hearth
how we finding ruby from terros in keys ?
limber python
he lost 300k
analog sparrow
how we finding ruby from terros in keys ?
I currently have this, 389 version. Routinely does 2.6 to 3% of my damage
still hearth
Nice, i just got the 415 one
analog sparrow
For reference im 404ilvl. I bet that 415 version might be up to 4% of your dps
Pretty freaking good
limber python
ruby is good
heady gyro
I did a search on trinkets and saw a lot of good feedback regarding blazebinders...
I used it last night and the Haste alone feels really good. I was also using the talent into the fray and had 46% haste .
limpid pawn
how do i know if i have done the bottled essence detector thing
heady gyro
I don’t raid so I’m stuck with m+ trinkets
limpid pawn
i got my 5th spark but not sure about the follow-up
warm plinth
he lost 300k
You're still doing more damage to the mob than you would have otherwise though, so I was correct about that part. When he gains bolstering, he gains 660k HP.
analog sparrow
@heady gyro so you track your numbers each key? Do you feel like it was a dps upgrade to your old trinkets?
warm plinth
Right, but that still means you're doing more work to kill the mob than you would have if he hadn't bolstered, which was my point (I just got there wrong).
analog sparrow
I have the 389 rumbling ruby and 389 decoration of flame, and I really enjoy that combo. The flame is almost another AE threat cooldown. But I have a 398 hoof I could pop to 411
cloud umbra
ya it definitely slows down the mob
warm plinth
Decoration of Flame is really bad if you don't use it on cooldown
It's not something you should be holding
cloud umbra
i feel like the hoof is lackluster too
limber python
i use it as a ghetto personal for blazehoof and flameheart
heady gyro
<@268500978221842433> so you track your numbers each key? Do you feel like it w...
It all depends on the dungeon and affixes each week. But I definitely like this trinket for this week since I can't pull a shit load of mobs (bolstering). I was using whestone on prior weeks which is also a really good trinket.
analog sparrow
Decoration of Flame is really bad if you don't use it on cooldown
I'm not gonna pop it at the beginning of first boss on day rlp when I could use it on the whelps, for example. I really don't think that would be a dps increase
limber python
it does split dmg
cloud umbra
it does add damage per enemy but isnt it like 10% for each?
warm plinth
Well it would be a tiny bit bigger on bigger pulls, up to 5 enemies
IN terms of the overall damage it deals
But it's not enough that it'll be like humongous vs just using it on a single target
analog sparrow
I see I see
warm plinth
And it's a 2 min CD so waiting for first whelp on fortified could mean you get 1 less use on the boss
cloud umbra
id rather have the shield for one of those 250k bolts anyway xd
strong forum
2 uses on 5 targets did only 380k total dmg from the mythic version
That's with 35% crit chance
So like, giga lmao tier
analog sparrow
What's the best sim setting for keys? Dungeon slice or 5 target?
analog sparrow
Cool ty
strong forum
You can increase the duration of the 5t and 10t pull to like 3 or 4min to simulate not having cooldowns ready on pull to get a better average
weak snow
icon, torch, decoration, which two should I run?
strong forum
If you have members in your group also with icon, you play icon + torch
subtle sparrow
Should I go for Unstable Frostfire Belt or Lariat? Got Diurna which is why I'm hesitating.
strong forum
Without that, its a toss up between deco and icon, whichever you prefer
subtle sparrow
Thanks
ionic aspen
Hello All can sombody post the best talent build code for Heroic and Mythic Raids?
deft mortar
ngl taylor swift hits diff when tanking azure vault
strong forum
solar cave
Guys do you use rend as prot?
Im reading wowhead and see no mention of it
I know slam and whirl are dead abilities is rend as well?
lofty widget
read blood and thunder talent
craggy tree
Thunderclap automatically applies with blood and thunder
warm plinth
this cracked me up
subtle sparrow
Guys do you use rend as prot?
It applies on thunder clap
agile elbow
😂
wheat ore
quick one lads, I am doing some mythic VoI tonight, do you have to be in D stance for everything or can you chill in B stance
undone verge
Hello All can sombody post the best talent build code for Heroic and Mythic Raid...
You can steal them off the top parses in Warcraft logs if you’re unsure
Depends on what you mean by best tho cause those are the best dmgng builds, but if you want more surv you might want different talents
thin silo
Chill in B stance until it's no longer chill
wheat ore
ty
jagged pier
You can steal them off the top parses in Warcraft logs if you’re unsure
i dont recommend that
most run BT
inland adder
on M kurog I am finding I want D stance for the later half of each p1, which is crushing my dps. Is this common for others who've done the boss?
quiet monolith
is show of force better for raw dps than sudden death?
undone verge
most run BT
BT is a preference talent imo, I don’t like it, but I assume it sims higher than not running it, otherwise I don’t see why anyone would be running it. Don’t know for sure tho
Kinda sucks with low rage gen
strong forum
It's within margin of error on low target count
undone verge
Makes sense, I don’t think it matters too much, I don’t really notice having vs not having the talent. But I prefer to have that xtra util for bounding stride, improved rally, or extra rage cap
warm plinth
BT is a preference talent imo, I don’t like it, but I assume it sims higher than...
It does sim higher, but you have to consider the ramifications of how it's going to affect the usage of other things too. Like if you're taking damage on a fight, then you're going to want to press Ignore Pain. Using BT is going to have an impact on how many of those you're going to be able to press. And if you press more IP, you press less Revenge, which means BT is going to have less value.
torpid junco
when crafting should i always be going haste/vers?
warm plinth
haste/vers or haste/crit are fine
Despite popular belief, there is no reason to stack vers
undone verge
Are we pressing IP defensively again? Or is it still a rage dump. That’s how I’ve been using it. Although I’ve been pressing it earlier with less haste and rage gen
round pendant
I fucking hate bolstering
warm plinth
I mean we've always pressed it for both, situationally. Primarily you use it as a rage dump but there are times you have to press it defensively too.
round pendant
Bolstering makes the packs take so god damned long
well, on fortified weeks
and people STILL can't do HoV boss mechanics correctly so every boss is 2dps down
I'm sick of mythic+ pugging
mighty valley
IP adds up to decent defensive value, the reason we don't stress it as a defensive is that overusing it kills your rage economy
undone verge
It’s good defensive value, but I feel like if there’s ever a situation where you press IP defensively is also a situation you should be in defensive stance anyway
mighty valley
you'd be better off switching to dstance for the tankbuster than spending so much rage on IP that you miss a GCD
warm plinth
Why would you miss a GCD when IP is off GCD 👀
mighty valley
by not having rage for revenge
undone verge
no rage to press anything
mighty valley
that's really the only way you've ever pressed "too much IP"
round pendant
I mean obviously you don't starve yourself
mighty valley
yeah, so this is all semantic - it still boils down to press IP as much as you can while having rage to do your rotation
undone verge
I usually try to IP into an outburst SS or if it’s that bad I need my double IP I just CD
mighty valley
whether you call that "defensive" or "aggressive" is whatever
tulip kelp
I would 100% take bolstering over sanguine any day
warm plinth
The whole point of this conversation was that Barbaric Training isn't worth taking. We all know how to use Ignore Pain it seems like
round pendant
Nah sanguine is so much better
mighty valley
bolstering is fine if your dps players are good
deep spruce
I would 100% take bolstering over sanguine any day
What sort of key lvl, out of interest
mighty valley
sanguine is often annoying
round pendant
Bolstering is fucking miserable, half the packs get left with one add bolstered to hell because people can't cleave properly
mighty valley
play with better players I guess
round pendant
sanguine is annoying but at least it's entirely within my control
deep spruce
AV with the breakers/frogs is fucking aids - no way those breakers die first
mighty valley
the frogs go everywhere
tulip kelp
What sort of key lvl, out of interest
20+
mighty valley
basically ignore them til the end
stoic pilot
Or just have ranged move in closer if possible
mighty valley
if dps is prio targeting the breakers it's alright
stoic pilot
They leap to ranged
mighty valley
just don't stress about the frogs at all, act as if the pull is done when everything but frogs is dead
frogs will get bolstered but don't do anything, and by the time you mop them up bolstered has timed out
deft mortar
yo i just found out that if I just stand still on azure vault last boss
I can just chill
and if I get 3 ranged dps
everyone can just chill
undone verge
What are the orbs based on in last boss of AV, I’ve heard people say it’s stack based or it’s healing taken based, and both seem like they could be true
stark jewel
with ruby whelp shell, we want haste or crit proc rather than dmg proc right?
in theory
warm plinth
yes
warm plinth
with ruby whelp shell, we want haste or crit proc rather than dmg proc right?
ST proc or haste
stark jewel
aight thanks
vestal rover
what should I train my ruby whelp shell for?
warm plinth
vestal rover
oh shit my bad xd
vestal rover
what are the benefits of haste vs st proc, I think I'm gonna be running more keys than raiding if that makes a difference
vestal rover
okok
thanks ^^
I don't need to have it equipped all the time right? I can train it then switch trinket and train it the other day?
urban portal
Yeah
jagged pier
no
broken oak
Damn...
jagged pier
u get this
fallen pulsar
brez is for the weak. Just don't die
tender quartz
Anyone getting Raszageth Double / Triplehits tonight, is it a bug?
broken oak
u get this
But why i cant get this skin... or how can i get that skins
fallen pulsar
it was for original legion mage tower. those skins will never ™️ be available again.
broken oak
Wow... 
fallen pulsar
the closest thing is fel werebear for druids. Everyone else gets a tinted armorset
tulip kelp
Am I trolling if I switch gems to haste/crit for lariat? Instead of crit/haste.. trying to get 30% unbuffed just cause
warm plinth
Probably no significant difference either way
analog sparrow
Yeah 😦 I got the gnoll fiend flail and will probably get the trading post flail too. Just a slut for flails
low salmon
is the lariat worth for prot warr?
warm plinth
Sure, it's an embellishment
fallen pulsar
I just want 2h weapon transmogging. Let me equip gorehowl mainhand for transmog damn it
tulip kelp
Just need more swords that sheath on your back
jagged pier
Am I trolling if I switch gems to haste/crit for lariat? Instead of crit/haste.....
no
it will just proc crit
lucid pasture
jakey
fallen pulsar
Just need more swords that sheath on your back
I use the legion weapon because of this, its nice that it sheathes there
tulip kelp
Yeah I know it’ll proc crit, I guess that’s my question, is it trolling to have it proc crit instead of haste
jagged pier
mine procs crit
tulip kelp
Oh word
lucid pasture
warm plinth
there's a lot of shit you can take besides BT
intimidating shout, storm bolt, bounding stride, pain and gain, honed reflexes (this would probably be my last choice)
depending on what you have already ofc
undone verge
honed reflexes is just free dmg as I see it. might not be much but its nice
warm plinth
When's the last time it took 8 seconds for your shield slam to reset
tulip kelp
I’d value the pummel reduction higher lol
chrome lance
FUCK MAGE TOWER!
warm plinth
Just kill the boss 4Head
warm plinth
50% chance to succeed right
analog sparrow
I just want 2h weapon transmogging. Let me equip gorehowl mainhand for transmog ...
Haha I'm the opposite. When I play fury I wanna mog to 1handers
warm plinth
You either kill boss or you don't
jagged pier
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
fallen pulsar
You either kill boss or you don't
no it's 50% because you either enter the tower or don't
warm plinth
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
fallen pulsar
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
old rampart
What should i get recrafted to 418 first my ax or my shield?
jagged pier
shield
analog sparrow
Use your tank privelege to spam 16 sbg and cos and do both today!
old rampart
Thinking bout it
sick sentinel
3 more 11's for me and another 405 somethin or other
fallen pulsar
spamming sbg and cos 16s be like 
lucid pasture
intimidating shout, storm bolt, bounding stride, pain and gain, honed reflexes (...
In the 20-22s hasnt been really a problem in terms of surviving
So idk I guess i just play around abit
hazy sluice
which bufffood, flask and pot for mage tower ?
pallid quiver
None, none, and i happened to have a shocking disclosure i used
tulip kelp
What type of music should I listen to for mage tower
pallid quiver
Doomer Jazz
analog sparrow
Death grips
pallid quiver
which bufffood, flask and pot for mage tower ?
But on a more serious note, it's not cost effective to use any consumables other than like a health pot on Mage Tower due to how well our kit covers literally everything in the encounter. If you die, it's likely due to:
- You getting knocked off by Infernals/Eyes, so watch out
- Standing in the max HP reduction aura too long
- You just simply ain't pressing your buttons tondo damage
sick sentinel
Doomer Jazz
pallid quiver
If handled properly, the encounter should mostly just fall over dead
mighty valley
it's just an attention tester
do we get something different for doing mage tower this time around?
mighty valley
cool, i don't have to bother
tacit mortar
it was for original legion mage tower. those skins will never ™️ be available ag...
it will be available 😉
pallid quiver
It was also a memory tester in my case
jagged pier
well u can do it to meme on ppl cough* cough* i mean so u can give ppl the scoop on what to do
pallid quiver
I forgot what the oh no aura around the first boss did
So my first attempt this time around ended in failure when I somehow got one shot
subtle sparrow
Is this normal? Blacksmithing craft
warm plinth
what do you even do with the eyes as prot war? I haven't done it on a non-druid since Legion 😂
pallid quiver
I gave up one playing it safe because I didn't one shot it because me stupid
warm plinth
No that is not normal. You set to R4 and they proc to R5
strong forum
Is this normal? Blacksmithing craft
No, set it to 4star
pallid quiver
what do you even do with the eyes as prot war? I haven't done it on a non-druid...
I looked at them, threw at them, or casually walked over and bonked them
warm plinth
does heroic throw 1-shot them? or does it take a few
tulip kelp
I mean if you know the guy is a legit crafter you don’t have to set min
strong forum
Takes 3
pallid quiver
Took me 2-3
warm plinth
gotcha
strong forum
Instead of 1
pallid quiver
Depended on if i crit
subtle sparrow
Hmmm
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
thiss is where all my profession points went into
pallid quiver
yeah i wouldn't
non-zero chance they can't actually proc it
warm plinth
If he has the right skill then he should at min be able to do guaranteed R4 and have a chance to proc R5
There's 0 reason you shouldn't be able to set it to R4
tropic tangle
yeah, don't accept someone who can't do R4
warm plinth
Trying to get a first craft off you or some bullshit lol
tropic tangle
If he can't do R4 100%, his ass cannot hit R5
strong forum
He can but it'll take alot more tries
remote hawk
First time ever i'm setting foot in mage tower. I'm getting stomped so hard and i have no idea what to do xD any quick pointers ?
pallid quiver
First time ever i'm setting foot in mage tower. I'm getting stomped so hard and ...
Read up on the mob mechanics, first off. If you don't know what's happening, you're doomed
jagged pier
is it mean if i say mage tower u should learn yourself thats the point of the content?
strong forum
Don't stand in the aura too long, ~6stacks
Reflect mind rend, kill adds, don't bother with the infernals, just dodge the slam
Stun drain life at all costs
pallid quiver
The most likely things to kill you are standing in the aura and the knockbacks
strong forum
In p2, have block up, reflect twisted reflection, don't get knocked off
remote hawk
Understand the eyes drain me. Yeah aura stacks i understand
warm plinth
Considering the vast majority of people did it with DBM or BigWigs, I don't think that's valid
strong forum
That's all there is to it
remote hawk
Ty ty
pallid quiver
Understand the eyes drain me. Yeah aura stacks i understand
No, they knock you back
strong forum
Understand the eyes drain me. Yeah aura stacks i understand
The eyes knock you back if you don't face them
warm plinth
You have to like look at them look at them too, not just have them in your 180
pallid quiver
3 throws, 2 if you get lucky with crits, or bonk if you're close
strong forum
While you're waiting for your aura stacks to fall off you can just kill the eyes
They're also a good way to get impending victory back up to heal
pallid quiver
^^^
deft mortar
lmao there are so many leather tanks crying about warriors in the forums
pallid quiver
People have been complaining about Prot War since beta
jagged pier
only tank not to get buffs so far i think
pallid quiver
Just ignore them and let them tire themselves out
deft mortar
Guess they expected to have more dmg mitigation wearing dresses and bondage gear
jagged pier
they'll be the ppl that get us nerfed
pallid quiver
We'll get slapped with nerfs anyways; too popular atm
subtle sparrow
I said "Sorry, seems sus". And he started being angry with me so I put him on ignore. He logged his alt and sent this:
pallid quiver
100% scammer, send report
pallid quiver
Smile when Blizz gives you mail saying one of your reports led to action
deft mortar
I do
pallid quiver
Oh, there's more than a few crafting with t3
deft mortar
but I fund my crafting with tokens xd
pallid quiver
Especially at a crafter's request
tropic tangle
only reason to go T3 mats is if you want to say fuck it for 100% R5.
strong forum
You can't 100% r5
warm plinth
Yeah you can't
subtle sparrow
Anyone who can do Unstable Frostfire Belt? :P
pallid quiver
Who definitely doesn't have a stake in the t3 mats being sold 🙂
warm plinth
If someone says they can 100% R5 they're lying
strong forum
You rely on inspo proc
And since they can 100% r4 with t2 mats
You just spam r2 mats
Until you get the proc
pallid quiver
I can 100% if we get me access to Blizz's databases 🙂
deft mortar
I love how BDK and Prot Warr went tru entire Shadowlands like:
warm plinth
:monkatos
tulip kelp
To be fair if you’re using missive, embellish, etc some t3 mats can help (t3 missive or t3 embellish etc)
deft mortar
Some dude on twitter
subtle sparrow
405, unstable frostfire so no missive.
deft mortar
Maybe its S1-S2
jagged pier
some shit player then
deft mortar
I think bdk shined with 4 set not b4
tulip kelp
I love how BDK and Prot Warr went tru entire Shadowlands like:
Wasn’t bdk S tier? At least S2 or S3 iirc
pallid quiver
Some dude on twitter is where i look at all my fighting game tier lists, too
It makes for good laughs
warm plinth
BDK was literally the dominant tank in S3/S4
deft mortar
BDK 4 set was giga broken
warm plinth
No one else was close
wary canopy
BDK 3 and 4 soloed everything while doing DPS damage
sick sentinel
this thing doesnt seem that bad?
deft mortar
They had smth equivalent to
Idk a Prot Warr casting Devastate on a target whenever we block
But stronger
warm plinth
this thing doesnt seem that bad?
It's not; it's one of the better dungeon trinkets
deft mortar
bruh this tuna mayo sandwich slapped so hard ngl
30g protein too
them 7 seas better spawn more tuna ngl
yo i heard that the avg prot warr main is a dad
dis true?
do i need to father children to be a good tank?
tacit smelt
Havent doen HoV since the nerfs, a friend was telling me that we can mega pull wolves but but i dont trust the word of a non tank
is that true?
urban portal
And yeah blood was not good before tier
sick sentinel
yesss duddeee i got 200k gold from doing feasts this week
mighty valley
s2 tank balance was really close
no one was dumpster, the S tier wasn't really that clear
pugs loved druids early for insane incarn pulls but that mellowed out
if not for vdh magic dr bugs in early s1 and bdk tier being absolutely fucking insane s3-4 SL tank balance would've been pretty decent after the initial buffs across the board
sick sentinel
ohh, if u change gear in catalyst, u have to re-enchant it i did 405 chest and it seems to have lost its enchant, or it didnt have one (1% chance)
subtle sparrow
I was surprised I got to keep the gem slot proc
sick sentinel
wtf there is is 34 slot bags and i can have them..... i will need to look into this
tulip kelp
They took off ferocious bite
Whoa fr?! That’s insane I gotta change my route then
Can mass pull wolves then
wind lotus
don't they still leap? will it not delete your party
frozen silo
don't they still leap? will it not delete your party
Who cares about the party, I won’t die ez
wind lotus
time to play roulette with the last wolf who's about to leap with 4 stacks of bolster
tulip kelp
Ohh lmao the leap was the main reason I couldn’t pull big
Or did they cast ferocious bite after leap? Can anyone confirm
tulip kelp
What was the one shot mechanic on group when you used to pull 5? The jump or the bite
Like would they jump and then bite the target they jump to? Or was the bite on tank only?
round pendant
The leap still hurts
limpid anchor
Like would they jump and then bite the target they jump to? Or was the bite on t...
The bite was tank only
Except when it bugs out and bites someone randomly
mighty valley
i've done 4 & 3 since the healer can ignore me now, i'm not doing 7 though
tulip kelp
I mean 3 is one pack lol
strong forum
The bite hurt us
mighty valley
right, there's 2, 2, and 3, so those are your options to combine
strong forum
The leap is only to furthest player away
Nothing of concern for the tank
But since bite is gone, wolves only melee us now
limpid anchor
Still onetap others with leap tho
tulip kelp
The reason I couldn’t pull 5 before was because they’d leap and kill party members so I guess still can’t pull 5
limpid anchor
Atleast when 2 jump the same
tulip kelp
So aggro all 5 and then run off?
strong forum
Andy did a 12 wolf pull today on +25
mighty valley
ideally someone who can move & shoot
i haven't tried that tech yet though, will have to see how it goes with a smaller pull to make sure my group gets it
tulip kelp
You guys do bears too? I still haven’t tried those
blazing condor
bears are p easy if you opt to do them
tulip kelp
I 3 pull sentinels before bridge but that seems to take a while
blazing condor
perma kite after boss with movement speed
limpid anchor
I 3 pull sentinels before bridge but that seems to take a while
Sentinels seems like an int sofar for me
Take forever
Unless you pull them up to the mini bosses it doesn’t seem worth
strong forum
Don't do sentinels
round pendant
do you not have to fight those 2 sentinels at the door?
tulip kelp
You can shroud or invis them
round pendant
yeah I haven't been in a single pug where anyone coordinated things like that
I just write those strats off lmao
tulip kelp
I mean pretty common lol
sick sentinel
uhh what shield does it give if i put my current one in
round pendant
I wish man
everyone says hi before we're in the instance
and then they never say anything ever again
I still dunno if I should be pulling less because of bolstering
oak heart
that's not true, often throw in the occasional "you're shit" now and then
limpid anchor
I still dunno if I should be pulling less because of bolstering
No
round pendant
earlier I was like "that pack was easy, aight time to start double pulling again" and my dps players just died
cause what's an interrupt?
I just know if I triple pull at the start of HoV and we wipe, I'm gonna just tilt for the rest of the dungeon lmao
oak heart
flowers in AV, no one interrupts or stuns those
errant dagger
Where is it documented where they changed the spell reflect on bosses m+ ? anyone got the link?
round pendant
flowers in AV, no one interrupts or stuns those
I failed a 13 and a 12 b2b the other night because of this wasting so much time at the start
gotta say I'm a little burnt on wow
serene fox
😮
hybrid fossil
what is considered a good uptime of the tier-2 set bonus?
round pendant
Maybe I should join a discord and find people who are less mentally challenged
lofty widget
what is considered a good uptime of the tier-2 set bonus?
85-95%
warm plinth
You know what the common denominator in all your pugs is... 😉
oak heart
You know what the common denominator in all your pugs is... 😉
that's a hard pill to swallow
round pendant
You know what the common denominator in all your pugs is... 😉
yeah and ofc I have room to improve on my routing and shit, but I'm not dying, I'm not putting frontals on people
the packs just don't fucking die
and I'm using all my utility and interrupts
remote hawk
i'm going to end my prot carreer before i make this damn tower xD My brain can't handle the simple mechs in here so i'm starting to question how the hell i manage to tank m+ xD
visual kestrel
do nokhud adds just generally hurt? like I was getting my teeth kicked in on the adds by the elemental boss
oak heart
I heard it actually really easy now, bit undertuned
mighty valley
do nokhud adds just generally hurt? like I was getting my teeth kicked in on the...
everything dangerous is kickable, reflectable, or outrangeable - the main one is Arcing Slash but if you just strafe when the cast starts, it misses you
limpid anchor
do nokhud adds just generally hurt? like I was getting my teeth kicked in on the...
The arclight hits hard af
warm plinth
yeah and ofc I have room to improve on my routing and shit, but I'm not dying, I...
I'm just giving you shit man. Sorry you're having a rough time
limpid anchor
everything dangerous is kickable, reflectable, or outrangeable - the main one is...
Waits it a frontal? 
And I Tank it like an idiot
mighty valley
it's one of those weird "targeted cast with a range" ones
sturdy sable
I was eating the breaths on the last phase of the third boss in jade temple till 2 nights ago
So dont feel bad
mighty valley
woof
warm plinth
Waits it a frontal? <:vel:265648244917272576>
Not really. It's a tank hit that cleaves to one other person for 25% damage if it hits you.
he means strafe away, not to the side. But you can backpedal it as well.
cinder storm
Well, that frontal has a big cone
hybrid fossil
what should be the SB uptime with and without into the fray?
warm plinth
It's not a frontal/cone. It's literally just a 2 target cleave.
hybrid fossil
i guess without ~90-95%
limpid anchor
Mhm I see
mighty valley
Just Walk Away
cinder storm
The third boss tjs P3?
warm plinth
No the arcing blade dudes in NO
subtle sparrow
do nokhud adds just generally hurt? like I was getting my teeth kicked in on the...
I have farmed the hell out of Nokhud. The elemental adds will generally kill the healer if people don't interrupt. The adds around the last boss are way harder, that's why everyone skips those.
mighty valley
if you're aware that the jade dragon breath doesn't track and you still get hit with it, you need to wake up
your whole body should relax after you get through p2
warm plinth
I'm just bad at replying to people like I should and instead just start talking
mighty valley
but don't fall asleep! need to do some mild walking still
in nokhud, someone (maybe you!) needs to be trusted to kick Tempest before the channel starts, even one single tick fucks everyone up
cinder storm
but don't fall asleep! need to do some mild walking still
It's like your brain calms down a bit after p2 then comes the "am I far enough? Oh shoot I'm not!" Moment
visual kestrel
anyone wanna be a homie and link 2 builds, one with spell block and one without 
just because raider.io is broken rn kiss kiss
subtle sparrow
I just save a stun for tempest because it's a channel. Interrupt the normal cast
mighty valley
anyone wanna be a homie and link 2 builds, one with spell block and one without ...
the difference is the choice node switches from tough as nails to spell block
visual kestrel
gonna be real, I know that and I still don't know why I asked
mighty valley
good chat!
visual kestrel
but could you slide a build for fortified 
cinder storm
Lol
mighty valley
i don't change builds from tyran to fort
maybe i'm lazy but it would be very minorly different
just check the pins for recommended builds
cinder storm
I swap the node that gives you a free execute for general dungeons
subtle sparrow
I thought I had a huge brain and was going to do Improved Heroic Throw and Titanic Throw
They don't work together :(
tulip kelp
With NO anyone know how to force the air dudes by second boss to cast on you for reflect? I see Crit taunting and reflecting them on pull but doesn’t seem to work as Prot when I pull unless my SR is getting eaten by something else
sick sentinel
They don't work together :(
that does indeed suck
mighty valley
walk out of melee range, SR+ charge back when he starts casting on you
oh wait
which air dudes?
reef holly
Does gear and battle stance affect our parse? Just looking at my logs- on my 16 Nokhud, only got a 73.
mighty valley
m+ parse numbers are kind of wack because they're comparing extremely specific things
reef holly
It measures dps right? Not actual tanking specific things
mighty valley
but it's just your total damage compared to others at that level, so yes, staying in dstance would make your parse worse
reef holly
Ahh got it
tulip kelp
which air dudes?
The little air guys in the trash packs… if you reflect their cast they one shot themselves
mighty valley
oh the ones that get summoned too - idk, i hit SR when I see them spawn, sometimes they immediately vaporize themselves, haven't really thought about it more than that
sick sentinel
one thing i wish that MDT did, is was it had a option to "make mobs patrol"
and you clicked it and the mobs that can patrol, do patrol
reef holly
There’s singles in some of the packs, one of the dude summons more
The translucent dogs on the third boss trash?
tulip kelp
Wondering if there’s a way to force them to cast on you on pull cause they kill themselves and it does hurt
sick sentinel
or if monster A summons monster B and monster C its listed on MDT that this is the mosnter being summoned and this is their abilities
that would take so much confusion out of keys for me
sick sentinel
true, but then yolo oof your diead
reef holly
Healers fault
mighty valley
i don't think that stuff's gonna sink into your mind by studying a map
just need experience
especially since patrols will be at different spots depending on group speed
reef holly
One tip I picked up from watching videos of NO- is to fly straight away and pull the 6 pack patrol on first boss
mighty valley
i lust that pack generally
sick sentinel
whenever i do TJS i tell people to stand at the bottom of stairs or near pillar dragon statue, on the final pack before the last trash pack, cuz casters
its annoying hell to get that pack to do what you want as warrior, pug 70% cjhance to pull the other pack and wipe us
reef holly
i lust that pack generally
Key level?
haughty orbit
Yo prot gang, do yall do other non-raiding/5man activites (world quests etc) as prot, or switch to fury / arms ?
mighty valley
Key level?
any, the first boss is not threatening so you want to run the cooldown early
mighty valley
Yo prot gang, do yall do other non-raiding/5man activites (world quests etc) as ...
prot always, pull the whole room
haughty orbit
hell yeah, not dying is awesome
naive panther
majority of my m+ is not logged, so you have some crappy numbers on it
slim dove
Yo prot gang, do yall do other non-raiding/5man activites (world quests etc) as ...
switch to arms cuz arms owns.
mighty valley
arms 😴
median tulip
Yo prot gang, do yall do other non-raiding/5man activites (world quests etc) as ...
I do everything as Protection because I enjoy pulling 30 mobs and ending up standing atop a mountain of enemy corpses
Also I have a Windscar Whetstone, and pulling less mobs is inefficient because it does too much damage for most open-world enemies
hidden ether
I use to always go to a website that had recommended paths for the week do you guys know what it is?
median tulip
I use to always go to a website that had recommended paths for the week do you g...
No, but I would recommend the AddOn "Mythic Dungeon Tools"
hidden ether
yeah i use that
but i like seeing recomendations like "dont pull this group because its a bad one for X affix"
warm plinth
I use to always go to a website that had recommended paths for the week do you g...
was probably the weekly route on raider.io but I don't think they're doing that this expansion
hidden ether
ahh fair
warm plinth
hidden ether
https://raider.io/news/458-the-weekly-route-fortified-bolstering-storming-and-th...
Thanks!
slim dove
its really fun switching to arms after buffs (plus a 421 wep in vault) and doing 10-20k more overall then the rest of your m+ team when you swap roles 
median tulip
Arms does look pretty tasty now
cyan oar
Am i being dumdum or is battle stance just better for 99% of content?
sick sentinel
its extremely binary spell, if it goes off someone dies 99.999999%
cyan oar
Have a pug tank in 19cos and he refuses to leave def stance
sick sentinel
?? strange behaviour, but okay
slim dove
yes he should be in bstance, especially COS which has 0 tank damage
cinder nova
I feel like I should farm whetstone
mighty valley
they can't trick me into farming a specific item
slim dove
yeah its busted.
sick sentinel
ive been setting my loot to fury as of late
mighty valley
i don't go to vegas either
cinder nova
I could give a fuck about key parsing
warm plinth
Yeah it's BFA split
slim dove
idk raid
cinder nova
I care about raid parsing
slim dove
?
warm plinth
Key parsing is a meme
warm plinth
Whetstone?
cinder nova
ye
mighty valley
"i should make a sandwich" "yeah i like a sandwich with sourdough bread" "FUCK bread"
warm plinth
I would use it in all keys personally
cinder nova
No I mean to farm it
warm plinth
Oh
cinder nova
I lack one
slim dove
It's absurd from the look of it
slim dove
short eggnog kill
warm plinth
Yeah I would probably do 16ish or higher
slim dove
i tanked for a friend
warm plinth
So youd on't have to upgrade very far
slim dove
2 casts, 537k total, 3.3k dps
mighty valley
if you're not spending valor on anything, just carry the first random pug you see in groupfinder
if valor is valuable, yeah, do 16s+
plus you get mythic infusion tokens
pallid quiver
yes he should be in bstance, especially COS which has 0 tank damage
I'll have you know I found out that's a lie my first time on a fortified COS on a relevant key level.
Succubi truck with that shadow slash, man. I'll never forget to reflect that now
would've been nice to have done M+ in legion
cinder nova
Reflect Shadow Slash.
slim dove
I'll have you know I found out that's a lie my first time on a fortified COS on ...
sorry, chad prot wars take 0 damage in cos
cinder nova
☝️
pallid quiver
yeah i found that out after the first run
cinder nova
Shadow Slash does damage back so not SRing it is a clownshoes move
pallid quiver
I don't think I am, I'm just saying words, Harrow. What is reflect? Is it something you eat?
cinder nova
I feel like it should be instinctual to throw up SR when you see unfamiliar casts going up just for the DR
The reflect on damage is ideal
pallid quiver
I had used it on imps
pallid quiver
Again, literally first time in dungeon ;-;
cinder nova
Just know all the tech before you run the dungeon :^)
mighty valley
Again, literally first time in dungeon ;-;
personally i started on my 10th but you do you
pallid quiver
I've got a much better pacing now
pallid quiver
Just know all the tech before you run the dungeon :^)
thats the kicker innit
cinder nova
Just be omniscient 4hed
pallid quiver
Anytime I do experience pain from things like this, instant shouting from the DPS who've been standing in frontals all dungeon
smh just be perfect
warm plinth
Shadow Slash does damage back so not SRing it is a clownshoes move
You're a clownshoes move
gottem
pallid quiver
It is Yugi from Yugioh, a Japanese animation about a boy who plays various tabletop games who is possessed by an ancient pharaoh, showing a card in a scene from the first episode of the second animated series that has been edited to show Astolfo from the Fate series, who is commonly referred to as a "trap", engaging in a motion that is a popular meme in the Japanese animation community from a couple of years back.
pallid quiver
wtf is that gif
I hope my explanation proced useful, Ghash 🙂
warm plinth
who is Yami
cinder nova
This is peak #protection chat
warm plinth
the card?
cinder nova
The alter-ego-esque character that Yugi Moto would 'transform' into whenever he had to duel.
warm plinth
oh
cinder nova
Yami was the name of the entity trapped in the Millennium Puzzle.
arctic marten
As it turns out, NO is pretty easy.. if you just interrupt everything.
cinder nova
As it turns out, NO is pretty easy.. if you just interrupt everything.
Almost every boss is easy if you just do mechanics :^)
Having people just do mechanics in general seems to make a smooth ride. I wish more people did mechs.
neat parrot
has anything changed in talents since the nerf?
cinder nova
Numerical changes, but not real node swaps
spice axle
does anyone know how much vers per stack a 418 wrist gives (the emblishment)
robust lark
Can anyone recommend specific M+ routes? I am good on most dungeons but still get hung up a little on NO/RLP first pulls/CoS...so many options on keystone guru, would be nice to narrow them down
fading tide
u guys use into the frey for m+?
warm plinth
no, never
misty vessel
anyone got a good M terros build?
bold olive
Can anyone recommend specific M+ routes? I am good on most dungeons but still ge...
NO: big pat around Granyth. RLP: rock guy, 2 earthshapers, caster pack. COS: first mob, construct, sentry, pack at beacon.
warm plinth
It hurts your shield block uptime to not run heavy repercussions
In raid you can get away with ItF because you don't need 100% uptime
In keys you do
neat parrot
but its not really like that, that 10 Haste somehow helps as well the uptime
warm plinth
Not as much as Heavy repercussions
slim dove
you need to take bolster for 100% uptime with itf 🙂
warm plinth
I'm not your dad though; run whatever you want. Someone asked, I answered
slim dove
in raid its fine cuz your only tanking half the time so small gaps aren't a problem.
in keys, small gaps mean death.
reef holly
Can anyone recommend specific M+ routes? I am good on most dungeons but still ge...
The big thing for NO is to get the big patrol (preferably the first pull) and maybe one other patrol near the catapults, only kill totem packs and the kodo on second boss, and for third boss- keep killing trash until your 94%, and then fly back way to last boss
robust lark
Regarding the pinned "optimal" M+ build, are there certain dungeons that I should absolutely swap Tough as Nails for Spell Block?
robust lark
The big thing for NO is to get the big patrol (preferably the first pull) and ma...
Roger that, ok I suppose I'm doing it right on NO. Thanks
Roger that TJS and RLP swap to SB
warm plinth
You can realistically run it anywhere you think you need it though. It's a small damage loss obviously, but if it helps you feel more comfortable then rock it
Those are just the two people tend to want it first
torpid fiber
just grabbed a 402 hunger of the pack with leech. worth upgrading via valor?
warm plinth
It is all but useless for CoS and and AA though
robust lark
Could I swap titanic throw for honed reflexes?
warm plinth
just grabbed a 402 hunger of the pack with leech. worth upgrading via valor?
Not really. It's a decent trinket but I wouldn't spend valor on it
warm plinth
Could I swap titanic throw for honed reflexes?
You can swap titanic out, yes. I wouldn't go for Honed myself but your call
I like Bounding Stride personally
robust lark
ok I'm gonna run some CoS 16s and see how it goes. I still get a little skittish on the routing before first boss
torpid fiber
Not really. It's a decent trinket but I wouldn't spend valor on it
thanks!
warm plinth
Honed is basically just giving you the 1 second off Pummel which if you're not kicking absolutely on CD is wasted. You would virtually never notice the shield slam reduction part because we get so many resets.
robust lark
That's an excellent point regarding shield slam good call
I haven't used titanic throw in a while but I suppose it's useful for pulling primarily?
warm plinth
Yeah it's good aoe threat. Just be careful with it; it does hit CCed mobs
Which won't matter 99% of the time but is worth mentioning
summer shore
Anyone have a hard time with the DPS check on last boss of Mage Tower?
oak echo
are you spell reflecting the big heal debuff he casts that you're normally supposed to kick?
it kinda trivialized it once i saw that that was a thing lol
summer shore
naw i haven't been
oak echo
other than that, can always use drums if you aren't already
sturdy sable
yeah its pretty much a free phase outside the busters once you do that
strange sphinx
I'm on business travel, any affects of the nerfs in high keys?
high root
is there a haste cap for prot?
strange sphinx
naw
cinder nova
There is no minimum or maximum stat for us
high root
nice so keep stackin haste
cinder nova
More or less
nimble laurel
I'm on business travel, any affects of the nerfs in high keys?
Not really feeling a difference in 20-22s
lone folio
I was told by another warrior that I should have around 3k vers, is this actually useful or noobtalk?
slim dove
noobtalk.
cinder nova
It's the equivalent of gymbro 'science'
You can tank high-end keys with low, low vers
marble bridge
any suggestions for gems in lariat?
warm plinth
haste/crit, crit/haste, haste/vers, vers/haste
whatever floats your boat
I prefer haste/crit myself
marble bridge
buff doesn't matteR?
warm plinth
Not really
strong forum
If you get big haste/X gems, you don't get haste proc but have 120 more haste through gems
strange sphinx
Not really feeling a difference in 20-22s
thanks
marble bridge
beauty ty
strong forum
If you get air gems for the haste proc, you on average get 120 haste from the proc
mighty valley
(i turn my back to jade serpent strike and die) "this is because of my lariat gems"
strong forum
So it evens out perfectly, but picking haste+X gems grants you the haste permanently instead of only 30% of the time