protection

[drifting glade]

hes pulling the stupid wind adds onto one another

since his side had 2 healers they could heal through it but it was stupid amounts of inc damage

[blazing condor]

typical jerry

[autumn marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-jerry-jerrysmith-mediocre-gif-9576930

[wet crow]

Hey guys sorry moob question, but do we prefer frozen or sophic weapon ench for high keys?

[hardy snow]

go with earthen devotion

i always wonder why Blizz is even making such pointless enchants

but answering your question - both frozen and sophic are good

[lofty widget]

you can sim the dmg difference

keep in mind sophic has a defensive component since it gives mainstat

[ocean prairie]

what should we train our whelpling in for m+?

[sick sentinel]

im strictly doing m+, with this new spark i was curious if the haste alch trinket could be any value for us? none of the guides or bloodmallet even mention it so my guess is no.. 😛

[amber siren]

the alch trinket is pretty average

[jagged pier]

ST, haste or crit

[jagged pier]

because its not good for us

[cold pollen]

anyone as a nice route for pug in 20+ ?

azur vault

[jagged pier]

press w

[cold pollen]

more of a ''kind of guy

'z'

[timber forge]

hey guys im new at prot.. what is the best way to generate aggro/threat in AoE playing with people who deal a lot of damage. ty

[ocean prairie]

If you want to be fancy you can jump to first boss after flowers

[cold pollen]

Aoe Charge > titan clap > ravager > revenge > Aoe stun > roar > aoe taunt

[jagged pier]

no

u dont use shield charge as a charge

u rav

then u charge

normal charge

as your are chraging

u avatar

when u get to the group

u demo

[cold pollen]

there is no prio to my list just listing what's avaialable to him

[jagged pier]

Thundours rosr

then shield charge

then SS

then TC > revenge etc etc

[cold pollen]

Well i guess we don't discuss optimal route here 😦

[limpid anchor]

You asked for a pug route

[jagged pier]

there isnt an optimal route for AV

[limpid anchor]

I wouldn’t do some skips or huge pulls with pugs

[jagged pier]

theres no variance anymore

[timber forge]

thanks guys

[jagged pier]

u cant skip to second boss

its literally

press w

ggs

[limpid anchor]

Why can’t you skip anyomore?

[eager phoenix]

you cant jump down from 1st ring to 2nd boss ring?

[cold pollen]

since when you cant skip to second boss?

[jagged pier]

i heard u die if u do that

🤷

[high drum]

u can skip to 3rd

not 2nd

[cold pollen]

you can skip seonc dand third

[limpid anchor]

3rd the ice guy?

[high drum]

ye

[eager phoenix]

Well then its just W

[high drum]

u go back and jump down after 2nd

no its not just w

u break all the piercing dorks out

[eager phoenix]

dont bolster the big dragonkin when you pass 2nd boss

[limpid anchor]

Mhm

[high drum]

with the whelps

then go back after 2nd boss

and jump to 3rd

skip all the frog bullchips

[jagged pier]

ah yes

skip the easier trash

in a pug

[cold pollen]

you can out range the breath

[lofty widget]

just cause you can doesnt mean you should

[ionic fern]

You can.

[lofty widget]

from 2nd to 3rd boss you pull like 40 % trash in 3 pulls

sounds worth to me

[ionic fern]

We doing that every time.

[jagged pier]

i swear someone said to u the other day they added a wall in

[ionic fern]

Platform skip to 2nd and to 3rd

[jagged pier]

and u just die now

[ionic fern]

Jeah,it was speculation that "someone heard from somewhere"

[eager phoenix]

fuck it, ill go in and try

[ionic fern]

But we just did it yesterday

And it was fine.

[high drum]

havent encountered any death planes

in AV yet

and ive been doing it since vanilla HAHA get it lmao

[bitter ravine]

i did the skip today it still works

[cold pollen]

my only issue on frog room is the bosltering but i guess it reauires just smart dds

[jagged pier]

just pull the big guys

get them low

then pull the rest

like skipping frogs in a pug and having to deal with shard adds in fort and in a pug

just seems dumb

but meh

🤷

[cold pollen]

i had good pugs, though i am an optimistic kind of guy

[high drum]

the shrieked mobs have less hp than the regular ones

[cold pollen]

i just trigger the first shriek then

[twin temple]

how haste ist must have?

[jagged pier]

there is no set amount

u want as much as u can get without dropping ilvl

when u hit 40% unbuffed by anything

u can look at other stats

[twin temple]

haste-versa-mastery-crit?

[jagged pier]

no

haste>crit=vers>=mastery

[twin temple]

for m+?

[jagged pier]

for everything

[rough egret]

This is the way

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[ionic fern]

That's the one time i keep Shield Charge as a interrupt
:d

Luckily the ones above you can LoS

[twin temple]

ty

[dense ledge]

wish I was higher io to actually do cool routes in av and not just press w

[wet crow]

hey guys, what ilvl of a ring do you think we should start replacing cobalt rings with?

it does a lot of damage/healing but the stats and ilvl are really low

[flat jackal]

Does that include into the fray?

[hardy snow]

your rating doesnt affect your route

[dense ledge]

in that dungeon it does

[autumn marsh]

Just take the chad route, and practicer

[wet crow]

did a 20 temple just now and it did about 2.8% of my dam which seems like a lot to give up but idk if im losing too much on stats

[hardy snow]

you can do any route while having any rating, Blizzard doesnt even checks that, can you believe it?!

[dense ledge]

I yoinked the last route from shuh but not trying that in 16s

[hazy sluice]

Yo are there any hot tips/ cheap tricks for mage tower ? cobalt ring or something like that ? Any specific phases to hold a def CD for ?

[dense ledge]

bro

go nuts then, I am not typing a wall of text in 16s to just leave the key after they mess up

[blazing condor]

kruul hurts with his annihilate thing so make sure you use CDs if needed

and orbs

[hazy sluice]

What are these orbs for ?

[blazing condor]

they help you

stuns every enemy

and gives you health

[hazy sluice]

So just kick drain life, don't stack decay too much and don't fall off platform.

[blazing condor]

yeah p much

[hazy sluice]

Kk

[blazing condor]

deal damage and live

[jagged pier]

no

[hazy sluice]

No enrage timer ?

[blazing condor]

annihilate will stack on you

so eventually you'll get one shot

[jagged pier]

i mean me and nome both did mage tower yesterday

[blazing condor]

you can also spell reflect Kruuls cast

[jagged pier]

its very easy

[blazing condor]

the healing one

[hazy sluice]

Ah so hold def CDs for later annihilations

Yeah I mean I tank 20s. Should be doable for me

[blazing condor]

its easier now for sure

not that i plan on doing it again

[jagged pier]

i mean i got 2 annhilates

we did it again because ppl were stuggling wanted to see what it was like

[ionic fern]

You and Nom are decent players tho.

[jagged pier]

also have done it the last 2 times

so we know whats going on

[ionic fern]

Jeah..maybe they are lacking...vers.

[blazing condor]

cringe "i one shot it cus its so easy" vs chad "i let the NPC finish kruul off because i died"

[hazy sluice]

What a shame. Did it week 1 with my enhancer in legion, was kinda challenging then but nothing more than 8 tries

So it's not a mog for showoff kek

[blazing condor]

to most people it probably still is

i dont see the average player doing MT

[jagged pier]

for most ppl its too hard

in legion even top players sturggled

[lone eagle]

I did it on Brew first day in Legion

[jagged pier]

because they didnt have WAs and raid leaders telling them what to do

[lone eagle]

And then we all remembered Angry Dave existed

[jagged pier]

u actually need to learn it yourself

[hardy snow]

In legion you just rolled through it with better gear on next patch

[lone eagle]

And I was kicking myself for making the fight harder than it was

Angry Dave would just tank the boss for 2 annihilates in p2

so you'd eat first annihilate, dave would eat 2nd/3rd

then you'd do w/e for 4th and 5th

if you even got them

[jagged pier]

I didnt SR twisted reflection in legion

and was still in top 100 prots to do it

or somthing like that

best was druid challenge in SLs tho

so many ppl malding over it

[lone eagle]

lmao

only tank challenge I never bothered with was BDK

Hated the weapon mog, hated the gear mog in SL

[solemn island]

anybody got any data please on eranog ring % damage in a ~20 key please?

lmao double please what is english

[strong forum]

415+

For the dmg ring you just sim for raid

In m+ a higher ilvl one will win

[strong forum]

I don't have a, log yet but expected value is like 1k dps

[wet crow]

415+ ring for m+ is better than shield cobalt?

[strong forum]

A 400 one even

[solemn island]

ye for sure

[wet crow]

O even 405

3mil damage it did for me though

[strong forum]

The shield from the ring is nice but you lose almost 700 stats

To get it

[wet crow]

My other option is a 405 crit haste ring

[strong forum]

Yeah use that

I replaced my cobalt ring with a 402 haste crit for m+

But yesterday I got 421 eranog ring so that just wins everywhere

[wet crow]

Didn't think those stats would beat out straight up like 3-4mil healing/damage per dungeon

[cedar trench]

cobalt ring overrated IMO

[silent comet]

@jagged pier How do I do mage tower? Do I spam rend???

[solemn island]

sadge

[strong forum]

They do

[solemn island]

guild didnt want to give it to tank

[strong forum]

I pugged

[solemn island]

so you just won

a roll

vs 16 people

[strong forum]

Yeah my roll luck is pretty high

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670758470848610312/1057003203742412800/skate.gif

[hardy snow]

and im sitting with cobalt ring, as I dont have anything higher ilvl, already crafted one, need to craft next

[strong forum]

I win like 90%of rolls in raid

[solemn island]

couldnt be me

only thing i got from a raid was council mythic trinket and wasnt even won on roll was loot council

[jagged pier]

yer nome has better trinkets than me

and I raid every week

[strong forum]

I got all hc trinkets but grieftorch and storm

Within like 3 weeks

[solemn island]

smh they wont ever give boon

LET TANK HAVE BOON

[ionic fern]

And Nom doesn't even play..still has better trinkets.

[solemn island]

i want to pad AA so hard with boon

[jagged pier]

man quits

then

goes into a mythic pug

get ring from eggnogg

cool

[strong forum]

Eragon ring gud

[ionic fern]

We've had a lot of rings drop tbh.

Apparently our feral had a 3k dps increase from it

Which sounds.....

[cedar trench]

sussy

[solemn island]

i mean in theory for raid

[jagged pier]

i think we've had maybe 5 from normal hc and mythic

or loot luck

[solemn island]

i guess ring on tank is grief

vs dps

[jagged pier]

is garbage

[strong forum]

If he goes from assembly ring to eragon

Maybe

Vdh gets like 2.5k dps from myffic

[solemn island]

cause strictly for raid

tanks dont need shit

press spells stay alive

[cedar trench]

eragon kekw

[strong forum]

For raid it's whack ye, outside of maybe rasz

[limpid anchor]

Tank dps important

[unborn sable]

is frostfire belt only bis if i have one of the 2 raid rings?

[ionic fern]

Naa,replaced a 415 ring.

[strong forum]

Ye

:squint:

That's sus

Maybe the stats are also omega bis

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure he simmed with head embellishment.

😂

[cedar trench]

its 5k upgrade for me if i change my entire gear set

[solemn island]

i crafted last week anyway cause it was my worst ilvl slot

[edgy spear]

The embellishments are all very close

like +-1%

[unborn sable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wkr16Zs4M6bwHK24rj8gsk
just trying to see what to take from vault or should i craft something at 418, only have 1 spark left

[pliant geyser]

do we have fire dmg from something or can we not really use the raid fire dmg rings?

[cedar trench]

belt

[pliant geyser]

the frostfire belt or something?

[edgy spear]

Yes

Has enough uptime on the dot to cause regular procs

[lilac jay]

u can get another spark instantly if u are lucky

[unborn sable]

Hmm so with 1 or 2, what should I craft? Ring hasn’t dropped in mythic or heroic in 3 weeks /.\

[edgy spear]

Belt is a decent option in any case, ring or not.

[tender quartz]

I'm slowly getting into the 22 range, is it okay if I change all the Haste / Crit stuff like Boots / Hands from COS / SBG to 418 Haste / Vers once or do we actually want some crit?

I would sit on around 11-12% Crit then as usualy 16%

[thin cedar]

people still triple pulling HOV first pull?

this week i should say

[jagged pier]

no

[thin cedar]

didnt think so

[hardy snow]

if your team is coordinated enough to not bolster drake you can try

if they bolster drake, frontal become quite strong

[strong forum]

Ofc it's okay, but you do want crit aswell

The only stat you want on pretty much all pieces is haste

[humble ferry]

Went easy on 21, just gotta focus drake and do interrupts

And kite once shit starts to bolster ofc

[keen steppe]

do you have some raid talents for Prot?

[jagged pier]

[keen steppe]

thx

[vestal rover]

which 2 should I run?:)

[fresh belfry]

Am I reading the APL correctly that I want to use Violent Outburst with Shieldslam instead of TC to up to 4 targets?

[jagged pier]

yes

[fresh belfry]

kinda thought it was 3, glad i checked. ty

[solemn island]

is it worth going intervene in NO for first packs 3rd boss ?

[jagged pier]

no

[trim bay]

what percentage of 2 set do you guys have in a key? should i be revenging on say a boss when it isnt free to get the buff?

[jagged pier]

u should be using revenge when its not free regardless of tier set or not

[trim bay]

no i know, i explained that terribly

when you wouldnt cast it, like SS is off CD your not rage capped but vanguard has dropped off

do you revenge or SS

[strong forum]

85-95%

[trim bay]

kk

[sick sentinel]

mage in my key last night said he "died to aggro"

time to see if thats true or not, HE DID

died to aggro on the ninja pull bull we aggroed but didnt kill before ramping

[fresh belfry]

i never checked: can the Seismic Reverberation revenge hit proc Strategist?

I'd assume yes since its the same spell ID as a normal revenge just with less damage

but you never know

[strong forum]

pretty sure its not the hit but the cast that can proc strategist

[fresh belfry]

so that would be a no

[strong forum]

ye

[fresh belfry]

?

ok

[rough solar]

Cloak upgrade/sidegrade or socket? Socket sims slightly higher

[sick sentinel]

yeah, the only other deaths was to blast of light (i told them what it was and not to get hit, get hit like 2-3 times anyways), and bowman aggroing 3rd warrior

[fresh belfry]

already got a mythic tier chest?

[rough solar]

Yep, and frostfire belt

[fresh belfry]

can always craft a 418 cloak, cant craft a socket. sim it

[sick sentinel]

what should i craft at 405

bracer, weapon embellished, food on belt, i could remove the embellishment on weapon to go for neck maybe, or cloak is my thoughts

anything i have crafted/plan to craft, i would want to eventually recraft at maximum level way later on

[fresh belfry]

your weapon?

[sick sentinel]

weapon is already crafted

and i have a valor haste versa at like 392 i think? only a small amount of valor once uncapped

[last mason]

does anyone know if the 50% health debuff on the first few sbg packs can go on tank

[acoustic oasis]

Opinions on mage tower? Got it done last night within 2 hours, somewhere between 10-20 tries. Had a blast but man, that fight was BUGGY I fell through the floor 3 times.

[limpid anchor]

Pretty sure I got it

[last mason]

i was randomly just getting absolutely 1 shot in like a 19 and that has never happened before

[limpid anchor]

Yea

[last mason]

at like 411 ilvl

[limpid anchor]

Check logs tho

[last mason]

i was so confused i did an 18 right after and it still hurt but not as mucj

so was thinking i didnt get it there

[high drum]

yeah it can go on tanks

very dangerous if it lines up with a void slash

[last mason]

i was so embarrased bc i had no idea why i was just falling over like it was a 30

[ancient cosmos]

Any thoughts on Dragon Games Equipment trinket? 415 vs a 395 icon. Raw stats and damage go to games, but harder to use and at this point a lot of people in M+ are using icon

Sim has dragon games +1284 vs icon +870

[topaz pulsar]

how do you even use that trinket. I got once from low dungeons and never could figure it out

[ancient cosmos]

i think the balls land on the floor and you have to walk into them

[topaz pulsar]

i tried that didnt do nothing

then i threw it away

[woeful trellis]

Why not 405 then 🙃

[sick sentinel]

oh right, im gunna recraft it to 405 later

just, im probably also going to craft it to 418 later too

[cobalt mesa]

Hey; quick question about spell prio in M+, lets say on AoE dmg on 5-6 target:
I'm at 90rage, with Thunderclap, Shield Slam both available, should I :
- IP + SS to not overcap rage
- IP + TC

• Revenge

[icy bane]

Anyone seen a picture 2nd spark drop? Got one to drop on Tuesday just wondering if anyone had any luck on two drops

[finite vortex]

where i can find best routes for mdt ?

[lofty widget]

IP then SS, then TC, then revenge

unless the TC procs SS

[agile elbow]

Keystone.guru has some routes

[eager phoenix]

does dratnos still do his weekly route on raider.io? dorki has routes uploaded to wago. head to his stream to find the link. should be a good baseline. after that its a bit of experience and opinion what pulls you prefer, depending on comp, key lvl and weekly affixes. for example, dodging ravagers in AA this week is kind of nice

[pale sorrel]

hello all . question does 4 set synergise with bstance and make u effectively just as tankier then if you were just in dstance

[finite vortex]

ok thx will check

[jagged pier]

no because you'll have 4 set in d stance

your always tankier in d stance

and 4 set isnt 15% DR or whatever it is now

[versed delta]

Should I start double pulling in higher keys?

[jagged pier]

if your comfotable with it

u can pull as much as u want

its more expected because u need to save time some where

[pale sorrel]

roger dont have 4 set yet so was just curious on how much it actually does

[versed delta]

Single pulls are already breaking the party...

So many deaths...

[jagged pier]

well theres your answer

i was going to say even tho they are expected doesnt mean it works

[reef holly]

[hard quartz]

i mean do what pulls your party can handle; but, you will need to pull multiple groups to time higher keys

[jagged pier]

like pugs ask me to pull bigger

so i do

[reef holly]

I'm dealing with dps zerging one mob as opposed to dpsing all mobs equally

[jagged pier]

then they die because they cant deal with it

and guess what

i get blamed

👍

[slim dove]

Pugs

[hard quartz]

the life of the tank

[reef holly]

its a thankless role

[bitter ravine]

dps are stupid

[eager phoenix]

you can time almost every dungeon up to 20s without going too crazy on the pace if the group otherwise is doing the dmg it should for the key level. pulling more doesnt make it faster if the team cant control the pull

[silent comet]

Deserved, scrub

[jagged pier]

[versed delta]

Alright

Will take note of that

I think it's just they are not that good

They ate so much avoidable damage

[bitter ravine]

some affixes favor some dungeons over others too

[hard quartz]

I mean, do your best not to wildly swing mobs with frontals at your DPS. when a mob gets bolstered what used to be an annoying frontal is now deadly even at low keys.

[oak echo]

in fairness you also need to do some work to understand what mobs do what which makes them more or less safe to combine with other pulls. while yes there are lots of times where pugs won't execute how they need to, you shouldn't also take the approach that "other people are doing double pulls so i can too" if you don't know what you're double pulling

[jagged pier]

like I guarentee there will be pug dps that pull the dragon group with the first 5 mobs in HoV this week

and not care about bolstering and blame the tank when it doesnt work

[oak echo]

tank gets 1 shot by a 6 stack lightning breath "lol you're made of paper"

[versed delta]

Honestly thought Bolstering would be easier but man, it's been wrecking the keys

[eager phoenix]

i love the guys who ask me to link route and then go "????" when i dont pull first 5 into drake in HoV

[jagged pier]

because its fort bolstering

things scale up real quick

[sick sentinel]

if you didn play through 8.0 bolstering i dont want to even hear about it

[versed delta]

I was just so surprised when people were focusing single target

[lyric elm]

I sit out this week while people learn what bolstering is lol

[sick sentinel]

yellow non elite non hostiles would PERMANENT bolster whatever was pulled

after one or 2 thunderclaps

[grave flower]

Fort bolstering has all dps saying “push week!”

[sick sentinel]

and then its GG we have to wipe now, cant kill it

[grave flower]

And us tanks being extra careful. Makes for some toxic pugs

[ember tangle]

and shit would bolster bosses aswell

[reef holly]

dont make my mistake on my first 2 CoS and butt pull the 2 constructs in the very first pull...

[grave flower]

Oooooof

[eager phoenix]

some pulls are just stupid, like the ravagers or birds in AA. sure, skip the ravagers but can't really avoid not bolstering the big bird. requires dps with brain to not make a problem that cant practically be outplayed by most comps even bigger

[reef holly]

quickest 15 deplete in history

[oak echo]

that's definitely not a deplete

that timer is so lenient

[ripe dock]

Every time a mobs bolster I arch my back

[sick sentinel]

when you are EXTRA toxic

[reef holly]

well- everyone left after that

[eager phoenix]

asspulling the constructs is whatever, just die and go. you spawn just there in cos ^^

[oak echo]

oh lol

[ember tangle]

i did a cos earlier where one guy just dc'ed when we put in key and then couldn't get back in the instance

[pulsar parrot]

couldnt tell if that was the front or back of you for a sec LOL

[grave flower]

I’m a thin boy. Belf

[pulsar parrot]

anyone done a Ruby Life pools bolstering yet? Just how terrible are those fire elementals?

Cause even if you cleave off they have like 30-40% more health than the other mobs, no?

[grave flower]

Everything sucks with bolstering

[reef holly]

pretty cool mog there

[ripe dock]

Done on a 18 and it's fucking grim

[crystal mauve]

DPS dont understand that bolstering is a DPS affix that has conséquence only on the tank if they screw up

[reef holly]

just did a 15 over time, was brutal

[sick sentinel]

this is the transmog list if you are interested

[pulsar parrot]

Got my hands on a 21 Temple. Last trash pull of the dungeon and the first 2 monks after the first boss are giving me anxiety

[reef holly]

[dusky canopy]

What In the hell is blizzard achieving by removing friendly nameplate cvar!?!? Just being more annoying???

[grave flower]

Last pull on temple is fucked

[pulsar parrot]

Even with spell reflect

it's a mess

[crystal mauve]

We timed Jade 21 yesterday, I pull everything but the most left dude (root) and tanked far away that it wouldn’t be bolstered. It was fine and I slapped a reflect for 700k

[pulsar parrot]

But better than sanguine week. That vomit boss standing in sanguine was a mess

[dusky canopy]

Once spellblock is over run to the courtyard and kite

[pulsar parrot]

o0ooooo! good idea

[bold olive]

Just did a 19 and we had 18 DPS trash deaths leading up to the last boss that were basically "I used my personal at the wrong time or I didn't use a personal at all" during a bolstering inferno/etc.

Healer was also scuffed, but mostly mongoing.

[pulsar parrot]

Server shutdown in 10 minutes....

[ripe dock]

Ye thr last pull before the last boss is scarry just got ready to be bet over

[pulsar parrot]

and lust it

[bitter ravine]

bolstering is just something you cant outgear at any meaningful level

[ripe dock]

Whys is Sever going down lol

Something is defo broken haha

Oh blizz

[robust jackal]

hello guys, quick question -> I am just learning rotation and other stuff for prot warr -> do you shield block whenever possible or only when its about to fall off?

[bold olive]

Our hunter actually double pulled the last two packs for us, so we wiped after getting the warriors down.

[urban bane]

so true. first pug of the week a dps was complaining the whole time how the routing was such ass and we still finished the key with 4 minutes like bruh

[reef holly]

bro

[alpine night]

just have it always up and not at 2charges

[dusky canopy]

With talents you can manage 100% block uptime when actively hitting something so it’s fairly safe to always have 1 charge of Shield block recharging

[reef holly]

get a weakaura that shows uptime so you can track it easier

[dusky canopy]

Pressing block adds to the current duration of block too so all is good

[jagged pier]

u should really get into the habit of not spamming it away

one nerf here or there and u need to manage shield block again

[dusky canopy]

Yeah tbf we are spoiled with this 100% block up time

[thin cedar]

Whoever asked about ruby.. I just timed a 20 ruby this week and it actually wasn’t as terrifying as you’d think

[dusky canopy]

I can’t imagine it will last forever

[versed delta]

I played Guardian Druid once and I was so miffed that Ironfur didn't work like Shield Block

[robust jackal]

ok so its better to keep one charge of shield block ready

thanks

[dusky canopy]

Unless you don’t have block active

[robust jackal]

ofc

[dusky canopy]

Then you use it obviously

[toxic mesa]

100% block uptime has been a thing since like....sanctum of domination?

[plush tendon]

they learned from SL

[reef holly]

also use shield charge if you find it falling off and it's on cooldown

[dusky canopy]

No it really hasn’t

[plush tendon]

naw, you shield charge on CD

[robust jackal]

yea makes sense

[plush tendon]

big dam

[robust jackal]

talking about shield block charges

[jagged pier]

no u had very high uptime if u were very good

not 100%

and not many ppl could keep that uptime ither

[dusky canopy]

They’re talking about getting 90% uptime as a standard and you had to run hr witch was worse than the other options

I remember SL still

[jagged pier]

also that

[plush tendon]

sorry, guy above said use SC if SB is falling off.... which is wrong cause you SC on CD

[jagged pier]

^

[plush tendon]

regardless of SB time

cause dam

[dusky canopy]

Ye always send shield charge

Try to stun something useful if it works out

[plush tendon]

If it stuns something thats cool

if not, whatever

SC slaps

[dusky canopy]

Right right

[plush tendon]

especially when you line it up with Demo shout and Avatar (sometimes)

[reef holly]

I need to get out of the habit of spamming SB on accident

[plush tendon]

theres no real reason not to

[jagged pier]

it should always line up with these

[dusky canopy]

It’s better to spam IP than waste SB charges

[versed delta]

SC claps

[dusky canopy]

If you have to have a bad habit

[plush tendon]

SC usually lines up in the Avatar window at least

[reef holly]

as a note- don't shield charge a mob in sanguine

[jagged pier]

thats a TLs player right there

[plush tendon]

naw, im battering ram

[dusky canopy]

[plush tendon]

cause dam

[pulsar parrot]

I remember Shadowlands...having to intervene someone on your team who was usually standing in some toxic sh*t to get shieldblock

[plush tendon]

sometimes we are bad though.... and forget to press demo shout

[jagged pier]

okay so whats the cd of SC and demo?

[jagged pier]

ah

there we go

[plush tendon]

the worst is on Sennarth

[jagged pier]

yep

[dusky canopy]

Demo shout on cd

[plush tendon]

I dont know why, by SC sometimes doesnt go off

[pulsar parrot]

Unless you know you're about to get slapped

[plush tendon]

and then my Demo window is closed

[dusky canopy]

Gcd

[pulsar parrot]

i.e. Hyrjal HoV

Or whatever her name is

[jagged pier]

i cant get a sennarth mythic log because we never learnt how to deal with the end so i end up in webs for 30secs

[plush tendon]

I dont want to think about that spider

5 1% wipes on reclear Tuesday

[jagged pier]

garbage fight followed by 2 more garbage fights

[plush tendon]

naw, Kurog is a good time

[jagged pier]

its garbage

mis time the movement

pull over

cool

nice

[plush tendon]

the movement part is the easy thing

[dusky canopy]

I would absolutely re do this tier again vs freaking SoFo

[plush tendon]

I've only screwed it up once

in like 30 pulls

[jagged pier]

yer but that in itself is garbage like the fight isnt supposed to be done that way it has to be cheesed

its actually over tuned as fuck

[plush tendon]

true

but its also the first boss where im like "oh, I take damage?"

[naive trellis]

In M+ do we only take rend for the thunder clap application? We don't actually want to waste rage on it right?

[oak echo]

yes

[ionic roost]

Whats there to miss time, fire phase has the energy always move at 97, earth phase, Bigwigs has accurate timers, even easier if you do the 1.5 auto wait

[plush tendon]

minus Terros; and thats mostly due to healers dying like half way through and us having to deal with it

[pulsar parrot]

I think it'd completely botch the overall play style also. I imagine you'd have to charge in and thunder clap a couple of times to make sure you have aggro and then tab target and rend everything

[plush tendon]

I think hes sort of pointing to the fact that its a cheese strat, rather then how the fight should theoretically be done.... which makes it a shit fight

cause yea, its kind of silly

[jagged pier]

well also saying oh well this and that have a timer

makes it also a shit mechanic

as it requires somthing to tell u what to do

and its not always 97%

because i move him at 96%

[plush tendon]

Its between 96 and 97

[jagged pier]

if i move him at 97%

[naive trellis]

Are there anymore spells that we take or have that we don't use? I'm new to prot warrior but tank 20s on other classes so I'm used to using all other utility

[jagged pier]

its a wipe

it all depends on how u move him at the start

its different for every guild

pretty much

[lofty widget]

rend slam whirlwind

[ionic roost]

If it's between 96 and 97 you're too far from the line

[jagged pier]

this is my point

its not the same

for everyone

so its a pointless arguement

i spoke to ppl and they hold the boss in the middle for a few seconds

[plush tendon]

we're all different and special ❤️

[ionic roost]

Also you can use energy for the earth phase too, just requires more numbers than seeing if you aligned the two timers or desync

[jagged pier]

and they move at 96

[ionic roost]

It is the same if you position right

[jagged pier]

for you

[reef holly]

kurog in LFR is interesting

[jagged pier]

i position him the same everytime

and i have to move before 97

[plush tendon]

LFR in general is INTeresting

[ionic roost]

That's like saying jailer LoS MCs are random if you just have the boss in random spots all the time

[robust lark]

You guys talking about moving kurog at 96 97 is this mythic you're talking about?

[plush tendon]

yea

[robust lark]

K I shall forget what I'm seeing then lol.

[plush tendon]

[ionic roost]

Kurog and his adds also move really well compared to most other fights

I feel like the adds are just glued to you

Compared to like Tyrant, Anduin, Jaina, xymox,

[sturdy sable]

Yeah im finding right as it switches to 97 is the most consistent

[sturdy sable]

Oh dude jaina was a pita to move

[ionic roost]

Yea idk what's worse, Jaina, Tyrant or the Big Adds on Dathea

[plush tendon]

Jaina was bad

almost as bad as those NO adds at the start that cast a spell then stand still for 5 seconds soaking up the Sanguine after a interrupt

[sick sentinel]

not gud

[jade wolf]

Someone knows if u want to play 4p now? with the nerfs?

[cedar trench]

wut

[inland raft]

It was 5% to brv changes nothing

[ocean finch]

Sophic devotion or Frozen Devotion for pwarr M+ only?

[inland raft]

You would have to look at logs side by side and really look to find the differences it was a token nerf to appease community

[jade wolf]

so u dont play it anyways like before changes. Just had a discussion and someone said that warrior plays 4p now after the changes.

[inland raft]

In raid 4 set is whatever, in m+ 4 set is nice, thats always been the case

[deep spruce]

I don't think the advice has ever been to not play it, and this is the prot warr discord, so God knows who you're talking to

[plush tendon]

yea, 4 piece is ok; you dont avoid it if you can get it with minimal i level loss

and especially now that catalyst is out

[inland raft]

Think he thinking fury

[sick sentinel]

do they still do that thing where you give friend 30 days if you gift them wow, i dunno if hes even interested in playing or not or if he has a good enough pc

[jade wolf]

nono i mean prot. most of the hightier raiders are skipping 4p for better stats like on the Hands

[sick sentinel]

but i thought about it

[plush tendon]

I play sophic; you can sim the DPS difference though, cause frozen might do more damage, but sophic gives strength which is some damage and some def

[deep spruce]

Are u talking about raiding or m+ bro

[jade wolf]

raiding

[deep spruce]

It's whatever in raid. 2 set and highest ilvl

But if 4set is your best ilvl, play it

[plush tendon]

^

[jade wolf]

perfect thanks:)

[sick sentinel]

all totem over powered

kill the frogs im supposed to bring to 50% and put hat on for WQ

[agile elbow]

It's weird being the only one in Valdrakken. Lol. I'm either in my own instance or people just haven't logged in yet.

[sick sentinel]

lots of random DC when dragon flying, i can still log in and all just lololol

[agile elbow]

Yeah. I got stuck in a loop yesterday where I couldn't login for like 20 minutes because it's automatically boot me once I logged back in because I was dragonflying.

Then when I did get in, my character was zooming like 9000% speed across the map to his doom while not on his dragon anymore. 🙃

[sick sentinel]

i was stuck in TW cos for 3 hours

further cementing my hatred of cos

[woven trellis]

ran a bunch of sims, there is no trinket that equal the fckin boon even if my boon is only 395 and i compare it to 415 trinkets

insane

[pallid quiver]

no softcap baybeeeeee

[sick sentinel]

my poor man is running diablo 3 i think it is probably bored out of his mind

[river granite]

Hey all, question about gemming my Lariat as a prot war.

I crafted mine recently and read that the proc depends on the elements of your elemental gems. So in order to ensure that I always get the haste proc, I socketed a Fierce Illimited Diamond (doesn’t effect which proc b/c it’s not an elemental gem), and two Quick Ysemeralds (haste only gem) because they are the only haste-forward air gems.

Last night in raid a warrior in my guild told me that all the top tanks have Energized Ysemerald (haste over vers split gem) socketed in their Lariats. I don’t think he was lying but that doesn’t make any sense to me. I get that the split gems have a higher stat budget so in general are better, but doesn’t getting the haste proc far outweigh the ~30 extra static secondary stat? Am I misunderstanding how the proc works?

The only thing I could think of is that while haste is bis mitigation stat maybe there is another stat that is bis damage and they are socketing for that? Or maybe that he meant Energized Malygite (vers over haste split gem) because it is still air element and will proc haste on the lariat.

Thanks in advance.

[cedar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-bean-twitch-gif-22634143

[round pendant]

I put energized ysemerald in everything 🤷‍♂️

[deep spruce]

TLDR; What gems should i socket as prot warrior?

[river granite]

Ty for that

[jagged pier]

haste/ x stats

[river granite]

So the lárgate proc doesn't matter?

Lariat*

[jagged pier]

well what ever stat u want it to proc u need to put that type of gem in it

[river granite]

...

[jagged pier]

u still want haste whatever stat of that type of gem

mine procs crit cause i got fire gems

[river granite]

It doesn't proc based on the stat of the gem it procs based on the element of the gem

[jagged pier]

as far as im aware yes

[river granite]

So there is not haste / x gem that procs haste

No*

[strong forum]

the tradeoff is whatever

[inland mesa]

Whetstone is better than boon at same ilvl ye?

Trying to figure out trinkets now. Have whetstone, all master, boon, decoration.

Raid dps is boon whetstone? Then m+ would be whetstone all totem?

[strong forum]

either you get 120 haste from having big haste gems, or you get 120 haste on average from the proc

lariat proc only has 30% uptime

[plush tendon]

I think that works

Boon in M+ if you feeling spicey

[strong forum]

if you go big haste /X gems, you get ~40 extra haste per gem over having say Vers>haste gems

but instead you get the haste proc from the element

the outcome is the same over the course of a boss/dungeon

in regards of haste

[tawny briar]

Which dungeons are ppl speccing in to spell block? I don't run it default and am not sure which dungeons I should be bringing it on

[river granite]

I get that. I'm asking if doing not optimal gems is worth it to get the haste proc. I think the proc is a good bit more than 120

[strong forum]

its not

cuz its 30% uptime

[river granite]

I see

[toxic gyro]

There are two gangs in here: crit gang and vers gang

You pick, both are about the same

[inland mesa]

Nome you said frosted Leg enchant yesterday over fierce, was curious to the rational as I see fierce most often

[strong forum]

armor = str

[fluid shard]

Progging on Raszageth H tonight, i'm guessing if i want to cut my healer a bit of slack i could go Immovable Object?

Or....

hehehe

[ocean bloom]

if you really need an extra button go spell block, but really you should be fine with just Wall and Last stand

[strong forum]

up to you

the dmg loss is minimal

[robust jackal]

hey guys I am trying to learn the rotation -> should my dmg look smthing like this ? (I assume revenge would somewhat lower since I barely used ignore pain since it was dummies)

[inland mesa]

Ah, so it's just instead of Stam you get a bit more armor/str

[round pendant]

Use shield slam more

[fluid shard]

Spell block good for jaws?

[jagged pier]

SR is fine for that

spell block is for final phase

[fluid shard]

kk

makes sense

[round pendant]

TJS is a big one

[fluid shard]

haven't gotten there yet

[robust jackal]

ok, I feel like I was kinda pressing it whenever possible but probably missed some casts bcs I was in animation alredy

[fluid shard]

how many last phase breath do you go into before no room left? 4?

[plush tendon]

maybe 3 each?

[inland mesa]

First tank 3, 2nd tank 2 is when you barely have room left

[plush tendon]

yea, the tank frontal for war is pretty easy

Spell Reflect+SW

take like no damage

[inland mesa]

Mythic diurna add team is gonna give me ptsd

[plush tendon]

Havnt looked at that fight yet

[inland mesa]

That stupid add frontal that defies time and space

[plush tendon]

I thought boss tank was the hard role XD

[inland mesa]

And I've had to sit in d stance 😦

[plush tendon]

sadge

[inland mesa]

Yeah, claim we can't 2 heal boss team, so we are trying to 2 heal add team. It's spooky

[round pendant]

I thought fort bolstering would be easy

but it's been a nightmare

[icy bane]

Remember to go wrecking throw big shield damage

[chrome lance]

guys can anyone please help with mage tower. i did 40 pulls and my best try is 50% on inquisitor.

[indigo gulch]

for weapon enchant, what is prefer, sophic devotion or frozen devotion

[plush tendon]

swap to fury, do that challange

EZ

[sick sentinel]

dunno if it is just me, but the prot mage tower is really hard

like i talked to my bear friend and my boss has 4x the hp as his, my encounter seems really stretched out

[icy bane]

Frozen is slightly more damage, Sophic provides damage and some slight defensive application

[jagged pier]

your doing something wrong then

its the easiest its ever been

[plush tendon]

can you still cheese it with MoP PVP crafted gear?

[sick sentinel]

hmm, im not a tank player tbh

[modern brook]

IV trivilaizes it and fury both tbh

[jagged pier]

i dunno literally used current gear everytime ive done it

[sick sentinel]

I get to last phase but the annihilate stacks fast

[icy bane]

I know the EN sees trinket can help a lot

[sick sentinel]

fury i literally one shot

[jagged pier]

nome video is on YT if u want to watch nomes its in the promotion channel

[sick sentinel]

YEa ima have a look, i think my mitigation is maybe ass, but its a long encounter + im not really tank player

i dide like 15 pulls

[chrome lance]

i am on my 40th.... and my best try is 50% inq

and i get 3 infernals before 60

rend kills me a lot of times

[indigo gulch]

for the dmg different compare of both is that alot?

[lusty tiger]

how can i acquire more globals to cast revenge

[limpid anchor]

More haste :>

[lusty tiger]

i have a ): habbit
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P8f2VWRrcgJjzHqN/#fight=last&type=casts

[robust jackal]

I am probably doing something wrong if I die on tank dummy after 8:20 mins right?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

[fluid shard]

that look like a good heroic Rasz prog build?

[limpid anchor]

Probably

[primal totem]

Does Bloodborne's 10/20% bleed effect work the same as Thunderous Words 15% increase?

[limpid anchor]

No reason to take io

And bolster

Also you want stun on raz

[lofty widget]

swap honed reflexes to stormbolt so you can deal with your own add

[fluid shard]

oh true

[limpid anchor]

The higher rage cap is useless

[fluid shard]

yeah i'll move 1 from overwhelming rage

[limpid anchor]

2 :<

There’s no way to overcap anyway, and no reason to save so much rage

[lusty tiger]

looking at a prot warrior in a 25, his most cast spell is revenge and i am not near that

[icy bane]

If you are prog I’d try big rally too for tempest push back phase

[violet spruce]

Just interrupt? Lol

[lofty widget]

they have 2 charges on heroic

[kindred prairie]

hey, channeling stuff like grieftorch prevents you from blocking, right?

[gloomy trail]

Hey guys, any addons that help becoming a tank in mythic? I have problem only with routes and just leading group

[lusty tiger]

do you have a clear way to determine weather you have mob aggro or not?

[lusty tiger]

are you practicing new routes with purpose or just running through?

[lusty tiger]

do you know bosses you are weak to and may need extra healing? or packs that require consistent pug interrupt help or else it is a wipe?

[icy bane]

Not really any addons to help become a tank, couple that help you with information okie a plater health bar with enemy spells on it, that’s probably the best one

[quiet monolith]

anyone toss me a good current ST dps prot spec?

mine got all messed up

[robust lark]

The best way to learn the dungeons is experience.

That being said I'm still trying to figure out when to optimally spell block and SR in keys and bosses. I feel like there are attacks I should be popping it for that aren't necessarily obviously magic attacks

[gritty bane]

hey, the guild is running heroic raid and i am a bit unsure about my performance. mostly when it comes holding up defensives like SB and IP. i feel like i have a problem with rage, but also keeping track of it. this is the logs from yesterdays raid, we did all bosses except for razz.

[lusty tiger]

link actual logs this tells very little

[deft mortar]

how viable is barbaric trainnig

33% more rage cost for 25% more dmg

[strong forum]

its whack

[deft mortar]

not very rage efficient innit

[strong forum]

its 50% more rage cost

[deft mortar]

roight mate

[gritty bane]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PqmcA2jCkz1LF7wT#type=auras&boss=-2&difficulty=0&source=10

[deft mortar]

nvm

im rollin shockwave

[strong forum]

BT just plays awful

for almost 0 gain

[deft mortar]

ye

I thought it was 33% rage cost additional

Im so dumb

how tf am I banker man

[lusty tiger]

@strong forum how can i cast more revenge

[strong forum]

by pressing more shield slams

[lusty tiger]

i do

like a fuckton

[strong forum]

and by pressing more revenges, you get more shield slams

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P8f2VWRrcgJjzHqN/#fight=last&type=casts

[strong forum]

wasted rage is a bit high

should be below 1%

[deft mortar]

ahh 20 rage revenge feels good

[strong forum]

but yours is almost 5%

[spice axle]

is there any info on how shield block cap works? sometimes i get 30+ seconds sometimes i dont

[strong forum]

3x duration

• 15sec from bolster

so 24sec is cap with Enduring Defenses, when bolster is active, cap is 39sec

[lusty tiger]

i never feel starved though, i just feel out of globals before i need to SS again

[strong forum]

youre not starved

youre overcapping rage

aka, not spending enough

[modern brook]

the opposite even

you're too mad

[lusty tiger]

I have the hate of a young man's heart

[strong forum]

besides that it looks fine tbh

except that somehow DR is your highest dmg

you got alot of pad it seems

[lusty tiger]

i like pressing that button (:

[strong forum]

aaah you wiped like 2 times

[kindred prairie]

can any1 tell if its true or not?

[strong forum]

on flowers

its true

[lofty widget]

it is

[kindred prairie]

ty. so thats -1 trinket I want lol

[strong forum]

its only a 2second channel

[icy bane]

It’s still a good trinket

[strong forum]

can be easily played

[kindred prairie]

I guess. but kinda risky

[heavy glen]

what are we doing for our builds now?

[jagged pier]

nothing has changed

[lusty tiger]

you need to press ip to avoid overcapping rage, dont worry about overcapping ip absorb

[plush tendon]

I hope theres a competition where everyone has to do a randomized build

[swift orbit]

Yo, how do I train the ruby whelp shell trinket for m+? AoE or ST?

[plush tendon]

ST or haste

[modern brook]

St proc bis imo

[gloomy trail]

Any addons for easy routes then :D?

[swift orbit]

So every day I just train it on a single mob, ye?

[agile elbow]

Is Phial of Eye in the Storm not good compared to other phials?

[lusty tiger]

watch high key runs and look at keystone guru every week

[gritty bane]

am i overcapping rage? how can that be seen? but yeah i try to sometimes but ive always felt that i have too little rage to sometimes even use IP or SB

[lusty tiger]

the only issue i have with guru is there are a lot of invis skips

[lusty tiger]

resources -> rage

[lusty tiger]

it defaults to hit points on the resources tab

[spice axle]

is it bad in AoE and ST? or just st/low target counts

[lusty tiger]

its just bad

[spice axle]

ok

[lusty tiger]

BRO U GOTTA BLOCK

about 1/5 of your shield slams gave no rage- basically

[gritty bane]

yeah my uptime is kinda bad, thats whats been bothering me :L but dont know a good way to train it. but ill try to think more about the rage overcapping

didnt think that would be a problem 🤔

[lusty tiger]

u should block at least 90%

u blocked 63%

[inner rock]

Is spell reflecting bomb on last boss of AA just trolling my melee?

[lusty tiger]

log the raid tank dummy and practice there

[urban bane]

ya think about it like this re: rage overcap. all of those rage points are CDR, and damage/IP just down the drain

rage overcap is a leak in a fuel pipe

[scenic marten]

did they nerf the setbonus or am i tripping? didnt it actually renew the buff so the timer reseted every time as well?

[modern snow]

what dps y'all reckon you need for mage tower

[lofty widget]

no it never did that

it just applied IP if you didnt have it up

well it still does that

[scenic marten]

ahh yea makes sense

[gritty bane]

where do i see that? and what makes me block less other than having shieldblock not up? (also sorry for nooby questions, im kinda new to watching logs. but thanks so much for help)

[lusty tiger]

damage taken -> hover over number | x: melee y: hits column

[gritty bane]

ahhh, yeah that is a small problem

[lusty tiger]

a small giant problem

its like playing deathknight w a 20 sec CD on deathstrike

[gritty bane]

i dont understand the comparison, but i bet it makes sense for others. crucial ability is crucial i guess

again, is it just that i dont have shieldblock up enough? or amd i playing wrong. like standing with back against mobs etc (sometimes happens but rarely)

[timber terrace]

With your talents shield wall is around a 1 minute cd you should use it very often and you almost don't

[lusty tiger]

u shield blocked 6 times on a 2.5 min fight

[lusty tiger]

do you know how long shield block gives you the buff for?

[tropic tangle]

yeah, that's your main form of mitigation

[timber terrace]

Just maintain shield block as close to 100% as you can and use your cds way more

[gritty bane]

6 ish seconds. i do have WA for it.

[lusty tiger]

also shield block makes shield slam stronger which will up your dps a ton

[lusty tiger]

do some quick maths now

[gritty bane]

36 seconds

[lusty tiger]

mhm

[gritty bane]

1/5 ish of the fight

[lusty tiger]

yep

[timber terrace]

Play with bolster if you struggle to maintain shield block and use last stand on the pull

[lusty tiger]

ooor

[tropic tangle]

press buttons

[lusty tiger]

press buttons more methodically

[tropic tangle]

use your abilities

[gritty bane]

is there a good way to "train" to use shieldblock more? since as mentioned i felt that keeping up my defensives were my biggest problem

[lusty tiger]

use it

[gritty bane]

or is it just, git gud.

ait

[lusty tiger]

u are overcapped rage

u need to just press it

[tropic tangle]

shield block is off the gcd

ignore pain is off the gcd

[timber terrace]

Make a weakaura that calls you an idiot when you get meleed and shield block isn't up

[gritty bane]

love it

[lofty widget]

place a shield block weakaura where it's easy to see, can add an audio cue when it drops if that helps

[gritty bane]

so many sounds already going on in raid 😦

[lusty tiger]

it is your most important ability

[lofty widget]

as long as youre aware when it's up and when it isnt

[slate kraken]

I'm fond of a WW2 Submarine Dive Klaxon

[lusty tiger]

as an alert sound?

[gritty bane]

i also tend to sometimes double tap it, which makes me use too many charges.

[timber terrace]

Adjust your boss mod you don't need wub wub and horn sounds for every mechanic

[slate kraken]

yes, you'll know it when you hear it

[lusty tiger]

nah shield charge also gives sb

[kindred prairie]

do sims take into consideration getting hit? for trinkets with on-hit effects like Granyth's Enduring Scale

[lusty tiger]

youll be fine if u do that more than if u dont press it at all

[gritty bane]

ait thanks. maybe ill make the wa bigger so i easier sees when it goes away 🤔

even tho i feel my screen is too cluttered already

[lusty tiger]

think about it like this

there is nothing to spend rage on until you have sb up

[gritty bane]

that is fair

[lusty tiger]

can u link it lol i want to hear

[frosty mango]

did they remove double wall?

[gritty bane]

this is how it usually looks when im in combat. just add lots of spell effects and shit too. is it ok or should i try find a better setup?

and ofcourse raid profiles etc

[lusty tiger]

your action bar, damage meter and chat are far too big

[gritty bane]

hard to see if cds are off or not with smaller action bars tho

and to find -> click potion

[lusty tiger]

then use nome's weak aura pack

[lusty tiger]

bind it

[gritty bane]

i dont have more accesible binds, recently started to use shift binds, before that i just clicked all defensives and personals that wasnt SB or IP

so still getting used to it

[lusty tiger]

then make some binds, and practice a few minutes each day and before raid at a dummy

[gritty bane]

ait, ill try that!

omw to become nr.1 prot warrior. credits to jerreeeeee

[lusty tiger]

sense would like a word w us all

GL tho

[short elk]

How many ilvls until I should give up the cobalt ring?

[slate kraken]

I was mostly tongue in cheek but there is a WA that fires when you have a consumable heal up and you hit 20% let me see which it uses

[deft mortar]

I got the xtra stams for Jade Serpent

idk if dumb but

Intervane isnt very useful here

[lusty tiger]

i wouldnt personally

but i think u run a lil higher keys so might need it

battering ram gives some big time leech ya kno

[deft mortar]

ye but

afraid of getting one hit

[lofty widget]

double wall or spell block is a lot better than 5 % stam

[amber siren]

No shockwave and no spell block?

[lofty widget]

99/100 times that does nothing for your survival

[deft mortar]

I got shockwave

sry I meant

I got spell block

My melee hits are like 7.5% of my overall so probably loose 1.5%ish dps from not having ram

[lofty widget]

more

from fewer SS resets

[deft mortar]

90 Shield Charges in a run proba loose like 30% dps on them and thats another 1.5%ish dps loss

eh tbf my SS resets seem fine

Wish details told me the source of SS resets

[icy bane]

No bolt? No fear?

[cunning parcel]

Anyone else's shield bugged and not showing after the patch?

[uneven ice]

Hi! On logs, where do you see blocked hits?

[lofty widget]

#protection message

hover the number

[rough egret]

Yeah it colides with mining equipment for me

[slow spire]

Still mulling over vault options. Thoughts on whether its worth to nab a 3 ilvl (415->418) weapon upgrade when the 415 has 161 leech? I'd be taking a socket if not...

[cunning parcel]

ahh yeh its colloding with cooking equipment

[rough egret]

So i sometimes end up with weap only visual

[cunning parcel]

thanks thought I was loosing my mind

[lofty widget]

yes that's worth it

[lofty widget]

well you could sim it to be sure

[slow spire]

but... muh leech

[lofty widget]

leech isnt that big of a deal

[slow spire]

I'm sure it sims higher as I would be moving from haste/vers to haste/crit as well as just raw ilvl

[rough egret]

On class tree you missin 3 utility, imho more usefull on fort weeks

Fear, shockweave, stormbolt

[wary ivy]

Do u have profession items equipped?

[deft mortar]

speaking of it why are ppl who leave M+ at slightest inconvenience are not scrutunized

But I get insta banned if I whisper them after

unkindly

[amber siren]

Can't force people to play with you

[deft mortar]

If we were in the same room I could kekw

Gotta make mfs sing contracts before doing M+ with them it seems

[plush tendon]

because one is against the terms of service

and the other is allowed

[deft mortar]

lol the company with 700 reported incidents of employee harassment judging me 2 hard

[jagged pier]

just take the higher road man

[chrome jacinth]

spell block does not help with the bleeds in AA right only the caster mobs ?

[jagged pier]

its the problem with score being acttached to things

and thats literally a player made issue

[deft mortar]

Dude legit left cuz I didnt skip Lorewalker trash

Jiang and Xiang specifically

[jagged pier]

happens

it is easier to skip them

but not key ending

[plush tendon]

I mean, you want to skip those two panda

double the health of every other panda

and like half the count

.#notworth

and they always kill at least one person with their dot

[tacit widget]

brutal vitality still better than fuled by violence?

[plush tendon]

with 4 set yea

[tacit widget]

thanks for the quick response

[strong forum]

No

Spellblock doesn't work vs dots

Only vs direct casts

[frosty mango]

Bolster is no fun :/

[jagged pier]

nope

love slowing down keys

for no reason

good fun

[frosty mango]

Rlp is terrible for bolster

Can't pull large anywhere, it hurts my soul

Healer told me to double the last packs before boss, I said "prob a bad choice" but he was confident

[heady gyro]

That sounds like a bad idea

[pallid hare]

ill take bolster over sanguine any day =/ dumb that it slows things down but meh

[plush tendon]

never trust healer confidence

only tank confidence

healer confidence is just ignorance

[frosty mango]

Spoiler alert: it was

[deft mortar]

tbf

I will send vibe check whispers before inviting ppl

[sick sentinel]

i've gone and put my self in another sketchy group comp

no lust

[deft mortar]

drums np

[toxic gyro]

Lust isn’t mandatory

[deft mortar]

all 3 have Attack power buff

monk gives 5% physical

[plush tendon]

that looks like a good group

[deft mortar]

DH gives 5% magic dmg

[plush tendon]

arms, havoc, ww

[deft mortar]

resto there

[frosty mango]

Is that an arms warrior?

[deft mortar]

13% more dmg in there just cuz buffs

[sick sentinel]

no, but its can be a bad omen lol

[plush tendon]

fuck yea it is

arms slaps