a lot of guild will start looking for one when they hit dathea
#protection
void marten
slim dove
yes. play dps with tank OS
tender cove
fuck, i shouldnt have said anything and just keep playing while looking for a guild xD
modest gulch
at some point you need players on your level to progress... maybe 2200 could have been 3k io... but being in the fucking doldrums of trying to find a non-shit guild that is where I ended up.
quiet hearth
at what point Healing % wise would should this be replaced with ilvl difference ?
tender cove
410+ link heroic ach for invite
405* and 1/8 and 7/8hc xD
Maybe just use fake achive and link it xD
modest gulch
you said "easy", booting and replacing is work to churn through bads
slim dove
our definition of hard is different.
void marten
405* and 1/8 and 7/8hc xD
Maybe just use fake achive and link it xD
you have more chance of pugging primal council than finding a guild btw
modest gulch
churn is not easy
quiet hearth
its okay 420 Cutting edge or no normal invite
void marten
but they do
modest gulch
so here is the situation I am in
void marten
also i would play arms if i were you
you can get spots on kurog and sennarth with arms
modest gulch
I cleared heroic with my guild last week, BUT no clear is scheduled this week because of schedules and shit
I am told to pug
I have no fucking confidence in any pug to complete heroic rasz
why should I right?
slim dove
then do 7/8 and dont stress about it
dense drift
@slim dove best answer yet
modest gulch
the problem with that is that top guilds look at the number of heroic clears you have, if I skip a week clearing 8/8 I'm fucking myself in terms of marketability
marketability just means.... willingness for random unknowns to invite you.... I gues
unborn sable
i have 1h + lariat , what else is a must or really good to craft for m+?
dense drift
yes if you are looking to jump ship the you have different problems...if you are looking to be the best tank your guild has then be that and when the chance comes level up
modest gulch
if you are looking to be the best tank
I am trying to be as good as i can
indifferent of the guild I am current in
idk any other way to exist
dense drift
we are agreeing, you should be the best you can be, and if that is worthy of getting into a better guild you will, if not then you won't
modest gulch
XL has given me the opportunity to do stuff, so I've done stuff.
I think that my current guild matches my skill level.
dense drift
then you are in the right place...what are we arguing here?
modest gulch
doesn't and never will mean that I'm settled or that my skill level is stagnant.
misty pagoda
I’m looking for a active guild lol discord preferred
dense drift
if your current skill level matches your guild what are you expecting?
your skill level is always going to be the ceiling
modest gulch
sorry, I think the original reply was for very different reasons and we are currently just left with actually nothing to disagree about.
dense drift
lol high five, i might have come into the discussion late
modest gulch
scrolling up might find some shit, but its not substantial
dense drift
whatever the previous discussion is i love being able to disagree and still get along so kudos
tender cove
also i would play arms if i were you
You made me depressed now for real xD
Might aswell just quit at this point and resub for next tier 😦
void marten
lol why
warm plinth
Hmm, are you actually killing the boss that that tier piece comes from?
slim dove
hes not, tier helm is raz
broken crag
ok ty!
ionic fern
inner rock
misty pagoda
Quick question , for catalyst. You’re able to craft 1 tier piece on each character?
Or just 1 character ?
Nvm
brisk flax
Lol
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
warm plinth
The only one I would definitely not recommend is devastation. Sooooo boring
I enjoy frost mage but it's not exactly meta rn
woven trellis
eh
ionic fern
Je, mage has been fun previously.
I'm thinking about Balance druid, mage, Shaman.
ionic fern
whats happening with bloodmallet
You gotta give a bit more information that that.
warm plinth
I've never liked balance but the new version seems...more interesting at least. I never cared for having to be forced into the different eclipses
woven trellis
warm plinth
which isn't a thing now
tulip kelp
Would you guys give up 45 ilvl for 4pc?
warm plinth
Can you just link us the page you're looking at
ionic fern
ionic fern
Avatar got its ID replaced.
ionic fern
I'll update it.
tulip kelp
What about spriest for ranged dps? They look hella fun
ionic fern
What about spriest for ranged dps? They look hella fun
I've never liked the idea of a spriest. 😦
tulip kelp
They can pump plus mass dispel super handy, grip, etc
ionic fern
Je, but i need some easy spec.
I'm at the age where i can only perform well with ONE spec.
So my alt needs to be braindead.
limpid anchor
Balance is kinda fun and pretty easy while having huge utility
limpid anchor
Only caster that doesn’t feel complete shit
tulip kelp
Btw, all you 4p enjoyers... is it worth 45 ilvl? That's how much I'd drop to replace my chest and legs for 4p
tulip kelp
I even have sparks to give
limpid anchor
Btw, all you 4p enjoyers... is it worth 45 ilvl? That's how much I'd drop to rep...
Idk 4p is useless unless you need survivalbilty
warm plinth
Ehhhhhh. That's kinda borderline. If it wasn't chest/legs I'd say yes (for keys) but those are two high stat pieces, but I personally would have trouble dropping that much on those two pieces specifically.
limpid anchor
I just blame the heals
tender cove
omg... I didnt even see this. The circus was really going all in today...
RL, tagging entire guild...."can everyone that needs HC loot send me a msg including which specific items. I only care about trinkets and bis slot tier 👍 i don’t wanna see people running around with 5 set :WutFace: Also if you send a droptimizer for the baseline duration patchwerk fight that would be great ty"
tulip kelp
It is chest and legs lol
tender cove
So not only do i need to motivate my bis? I now need to provide sims proving it
hahahahah
warm plinth
But I wouldn't drop that much on those two pieces
This is the only thing they've said so far that actually makes sense
tender cove
We have to provide droptimizer for every raid.
what is your progress?
ionic fern
On Kurog atm. 😦
tender cove
we haven't killed raz heroic yet.
toxic mesa
i just wish they brought back personal loot
ionic fern
😠
toxic mesa
this group loot is just causing more trouble than it's worth
fallen pulsar
Sense’s talent build for his big mythic eranog parse is heckin wild
tender cove
this group loot is just causing more trouble than it's worth
Power always corrupts in the end, everyone is biased to a degree
novel temple
Oh damn, I just noticed avatar reduces our damage taken now
ionic fern
novel temple
Sense’s talent build for his big mythic eranog parse is heckin wild
What was it
tender cove
ye, show us
novel temple
<a:checkthepins:1061892181561970758>
Fuck, I’m dumb
fallen pulsar
Lemme pull it back up
versed delta
Is the Prot Warr Mage Tower just really tough?
tender cove
Mage tower?
limpid anchor
Eranog build is like „have whetstone and roar up for every second or 3rd add for free parse“
ionic fern
Is the Prot Warr Mage Tower just really tough?
No.
versed delta
I feel like I'm not doing enough damage to it
I'm watching these Shadowlands videos and they are doing way more DPS
fallen pulsar
Eranog build is like „have whetstone and roar up for every second or 3rd add for...
Yes but also some other tech
limpid anchor
Like ?
young mango
Wednesday Keys are a nightmare anyone else feels Like ppl have to learn affixes from week to Week. Even with high rio
limpid anchor
I got a 99 as well and I just smash my head on roar
limpid anchor
Yea
warm plinth
MOAR DEEPS
limpid anchor
Seems like a healer issue
fallen pulsar
On mobile rn but here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ypWdLmhPADwnfN9C#fight=8&type=summary&source=311
fallen pulsar
Chooses bleed damage, skips the bottom middle healing talent
ionic fern
Need to pad on the adds to parse. 😦
ionic fern
Chooses bleed damage, skips the bottom middle healing talent
Jeah, that's what most of us do for dps.
nimble laurel
anyone want to critique my RLP 20 run?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zg8wfXrGvMxHjAyP/#fight=4&type=damage-done
fallen pulsar
Yee but first time I’ve seen it in a build
I am learning the pro gamer moves as it were
fallen pulsar
Taking instigate and bloodsurge but skipping impenetrable Wall is wild too
ionic fern
Jep.
limpid anchor
Yee but first time I’ve seen it in a build
If you want to parse good you literally just take ever dps increase you can get while sacrificing whatever is necessary
fallen pulsar
I guess it must generate more rage
fallen pulsar
Impen adds rage gen to slam tho
ionic fern
If you want to parse good you literally just take ever dps increase you can get ...
If you want to parse you try to pad on adds as much as possible.
Fixed it for you.
😦
limpid anchor
I wish I could parse on council
fallen pulsar
Get the frog
limpid anchor
Neither in normal, hc or mythic I got a good log :(
ionic fern
Why can't you then?
limpid anchor
No clue
fallen pulsar
5 cleave it 
ionic fern
ionic fern
We almost wiped on hc yesterday <:okayge:917646812519739433>
We spent the whole evening on Sennarth.
It's fine.
And diddn't even kill it.
fallen pulsar
fallen pulsar
Hopefully we finally AotC tomorrow on my guild. Have a whole raid day to prog rasz
ionic fern
tame jasper
We spent the whole evening on Sennarth.
We wiped on Storm and Grim and struggled on many otherd. Only first bosd and broodmother were first try (and a rogue got the ring with a 100, I only rolled 95, and he didnt even equipt it…) Im glad that we vanceled raza after a few tries. I hate these semi internal, mostly pug raids. After yesterday Im close to give a shit on the raid trinkets and heroic set legs (last I might catalyst at someday). Pugging raids is even worse for my nerves that pugs in m+ 😞
ionic fern
Je, pugging is horrid.
jaunty rune
For the final trash pack of temple is there anything you can do besides just try to rotate your CDs the best and pray the dps pop cds?
oak echo
Cc, lust, kite all options
tulip kelp
It's dope
tawdry dirge
really? on ST my 395 wb trinket sims better
analog sparrow
in shadow moon on the dominator packs, i feel like sometimes the souls are running around, yet indicate I have aggro on them. is there something im missing there? do they have a mechanic I should know about?
ocean prairie
guys whats an updated m+ talent?
woeful trellis
in shadow moon on the dominator packs, i feel like sometimes the souls are runni...
You need to have Aggro to the caster that control the add
Sometimes it doesn’t show that you lost threat on the caster I noticed or maybe it’s rndom and I made it up. But since I am taunt and ht these caster dudes no dd died
silent anchor
Think it's fun how much of a dps prot warr actually is
thin mulch
Is pawn with custom stat weights still useful
sweet summit
no
silent anchor
My 421 puzzle box sits higher than my 415 DoF
analog sparrow
You need to have Aggro to the caster that control the add
thanks so much! very helpful
ionic fern
in shadow moon on the dominator packs, i feel like sometimes the souls are runni...
1)Aggro on casters.
2)If you interrupt/CC the casters of their initial channel they will start RNG casting on random party members..who ever they target with their cast, the add will go on them .
warm plinth
And fun fact, if you kill the dominator, the add can get stuck on that person 
it's a pretty neat mechanic
solar crown
What do you do with the 1st pack after the 1st boss? One of the dominators are not 'close enough', so do you just interrupt him to get him to move closer, then chain interrupt that one add, or do you do something else fancy?
ionic fern
What do you do with the 1st pack after the 1st boss? One of the dominators are n...
Jep.
solar crown
aight, that's what we've been doing as well, just wanted to make sure there wasnt something obvious i was missing. thanks!
my favorite part of sbg is fighting the worm for hours
cedar trench
or your group being majority ranged and not standing in melee :)))))))))))))))
solar crown
or worse, the ranged healer doesnt, while the rest is melee dps
Its a free dungeon though, its just not fun
ionic fern
As long as you get past the first boss, it's free*
eager phoenix
kind of like they split up m+ map pool with 4 new + 4 old. sadly, the old dungeons are Not Good and kind of grateful they went with cos/hov/tjs/smbg as the least terrible
ionic fern
There's just a huuuuuuuuuuuuge disparity between the dungeon difficutly right now
That's the issue.
unique shale
yo is anybody know Are you able to block damage while you are using engineering flamethrower ?
ionic fern
We had a DPS AFK for 5m on a 22 SBG and also had a wipe on tyrannical there.
Still timed it.
Meanwhile if you wipe 1 time and/or fail a pull in AV/HoV the key is over.
sweet summit
HoV still that tight?
unique shale
HoV still that tight?
its going to be like this until they give in and add 2min into timer same as AV
sweet summit
kinda weird seeing HoV being one of the "harder" ones lol
eager phoenix
I mean I did Legion TW on an alt for a couple of quick lvls and when I thought about revisiting dht, brh, votw i feel it would be a terrible m+ experience
solar crown
Or just skip the RP and let us just right-click how many of the adds (of the 4 in the room) we want to fight at the same time (instead of throwing beer at them)
That would save loads
unique shale
kinda weird seeing HoV being one of the "harder" ones lol
timing it its hard but dung itself in general its not that hard
ionic fern
HoV still that tight?
Well, i haven't tried it this week yet with the nerfs. Just previous experience.
ionic fern
timing it its hard but dung itself in general its not that hard
Tell that to the melee DPS'ers who get one shot.
unique shale
Tell that to the melee DPS'ers who get one shot.
lol for that i just corner myself in dung so that they don't slip and get hit XD
ionic fern
lol for that i just corner myself in dung so that they don't slip and get hit XD
They find a way.
strong forum
HoV having a tight timer after they reduced the timer by 7 minutes and added like 4 extra trash packs??
:gasp:
ionic fern
HoV having a tight timer after they reduced the timer by 7 minutes and added lik...
Big shocker, i know.
strong forum
People said they don't want a 45min long dungeon
So blizz just reduced the timer
LOL
Genius move
unique shale
strong forum
"we don't like long dungeons"
"just go faster 
"
unique shale
they did same thing about people who avoided trycial week by forcing people doing all dungs twice for score and KSM XD
strong forum
Yup
sweet summit
can't they just remove skovald and it's fine or 
strong forum
Pmuch
autumn marsh
Or remove a couple trash packs
strong forum
Both odyn and skobald are so weird
sand mason
Does anyone know if wow will spit out fps higher than your monitor?
strong forum
Depends on your machine, but unlikely
autumn marsh
Depends on the monitor
but even with a 3080 on a 1440p screen dragonflight it meh for fps
chilly brook
Good morning Nom
strong forum
Mornin
chilly brook
Did you see what I did?
autumn marsh
If you lower the details then sure it will boost things
strong forum
You had breakfast
sand mason
I just upgraded my pc from 9900k/5700xt to 7700/7900xt and I’m getting same fps
strong forum
?
unique shale
LOL
strong forum
I just upgraded my pc from 9900k/5700xt to 7700/7900xt and I’m getting same fps
Yeah wow is giga scuffed with computer specs
autumn marsh
I just upgraded my pc from 9900k/5700xt to 7700/7900xt and I’m getting same fps
If you have v sync enabled, then it will lock the fps at 60/75/120/140
chilly brook
see here
strong forum
Just upgrading hardware won't be enough
sand mason
I have a new monitor coming but kinda Sadge I’m not seeing more fps even if it’s pumped
strong forum
You need a clean UI
autumn marsh
Check vsync
strong forum
No addon bloat
autumn marsh
also if monitor is freesync and you have that turned on
strong forum
And yeah check settings
autumn marsh
check windows settings for refresh rate too
sand mason
My ui is pretty minimal. I’ll look into some settings
chilly brook
I went dorf
strong forum
Also check if your monitor is actually setup to max fps
sand mason
Was hoping to go from 1440 75 to 4k 120 with this upgrade
strong forum
Yeah nah
ionic fern
Both odyn and skobald are so weird
We did a 22 tyrannical..the 3 spears landing hit for ~300k..one shotting our Ret paladin.
autumn marsh
That wont be happening
ionic fern
He actually went Prot.
strong forum
Wow is NOT gonna run at 120hz with 4k
ionic fern
To survive that.
strong forum
No shot
sand mason
That is so sad fml lol
autumn marsh
Not unless you sacrifice some visuals
strong forum
Wow is CPU heavy
sand mason
I just wanted high fps io lmao
autumn marsh
Open world, it might do quite well but godo to the capital or a raid and the fps will tank
sand mason
My cpu utilization is like 20% tho
strong forum
Yeah wow is mainly single core
sand mason
Wtf man lol
strong forum
It's not very good at using multi-thread
Like getting good fps in wow all the time is a myth
Straight up
chilly brook
I just upgraded my pc from 9900k/5700xt to 7700/7900xt and I’m getting same fps
running a 7700x/6950xt at 1440p
sudden hazel
Anyone else's shields missing after the patch? I mean, I have it equipped but it no longer shows out of combat
chilly brook
good luck
strong forum
Anyone else's shields missing after the patch? I mean, I have it equipped but it...
It's a common bug
chilly brook
WoW tanks when you add more players on the screen
sand mason
running a 7700x/6950xt at 1440p
Can you pm me your graphic settings 👀👀
strong forum
It's just 10.0.5 things
sudden hazel
It's a common bug
Ah, figured. Ty
strong forum
Will be fixed eventually
chilly brook
Can you pm me your graphic settings 👀👀
I mean this is a calm portion of Valdraken, it'll drop to sub 100 in the busy areas
ionic fern
running a 7700x/6950xt at 1440p
Bring back WoW Requiring 256MB minimum RAM and a GeForce 2 GPU.
chilly brook
Pretty sure my settings are just at like high
strong forum
As soon as I leave the main part of valdrakken, 140 fps
chilly brook
yea graphics quality is set to "7"
strong forum
Ye thats the best
It's visual max
There's no diff between 7 and 10
Except that 10 eats 4x as much processing power
For no reason
autumn marsh
Wows performance is really strange though, I had it running on a 4th gen I5 with a 750 ti this week on setting 3 locked at 60 fps
strong forum
Yeah it's fucked
chilly brook
yea go to center of valdraken and I'm at like 80-90 fps
autumn marsh
I have everything on 10 on my main rig, because fuck wow
ionic fern
Optimisation is down the drain for most games right now.
If problem - throw more hardware at it.
chilly brook
meanwhile I run WZ2 maxed out at 140avg at 1440p
autumn marsh
Yeah i think devs have gotten very lazy
chilly brook
autumn marsh
This feels appropriate
chilly brook
sadge btw I guess Nom no like my dorf choice
autumn marsh
If you ever want to see how your fps improves, run up doom eternal and unlock the fpds
strong forum
And better proportions
topaz pulsar
i had like 30fps at Kurog yesterday for some reason the moment he died everthing was fine again
lyric elm
Is it Devs..or is it the moneybags behind it.
Money I'm sure, every larger game has to be milked. Dragonflight was released prematurely according to the manager guy as well
autumn marsh
Spells effects
ionic fern
Cuz larger shield
People trying to min-max their play/stats/gear while Nom playing the real end-game with min-maxing Tmog.
chilly brook
And better proportions
but no gigachad beard
strong forum
As soon as you enter combat you can say bye-bye to like 50% of your fps
Just outright
Depending on instance ofc
autumn marsh
As im horde there was only really once choice, and it was giga shoulders
lyric elm
WoW 2 when
autumn marsh
Orc ftw
cedar trench
apparently ERT was what was causing big FPS issues yesterday, i didnt turn mine off though so idk
strong forum
It's never just a singular reason
It's a bunched up things tangled together
It's a massive blob of 🍝
cedar trench
yea i just got told "it seemed better"
autumn marsh
Its spell effects, its the amount of people, its the optimisation and the size of the city
topaz pulsar
guys i need help. how do i proper dps as tank my logs suck
autumn marsh
hit more buttons
strong forum
Press everything on CD
strong forum
Pwar is literally "just hit everything on CD, and prio shield slam over everything"
Just pay close to attention to your buttons and don't mash them randomly
topaz pulsar
i just have to use IP so often i cant spent rage any other than for that
cedar trench
in raid? O.o
topaz pulsar
yes
strong forum
Que?
lofty widget
you got shield block up?
strong forum
Are you playing barbaric training
hasty wraith
Should you prioritise revenge over thunder clap, if you have 4-set and buff is not up?
cedar trench
we need some logs boy
strong forum
Should you prioritise revenge over thunder clap, if you have 4-set and buff is n...
Depends on situation
topaz pulsar
lemme pull my logs
topaz pulsar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VQGmqzn2DaBvbwxH/#fight=43&type=damage-done&source=6 thats the last diurna one
edgy spear
In pre-patch i switched from ElvUI to using a mix of bartender, SuF, skinner etc. Noticeable FPS gain
hasty wraith
Thanks. I was just thinking that the damage buff might be nice to keep up, but I guess it is too small to play massively around
strong forum
In pre-patch i switched from ElvUI to using a mix of bartender, SuF, skinner etc...
Didn't change anything for me
I remade whole ui without elvui
And it did nothing
Absolutely nothing
I even turned elvui off mid raid to compare
Exact same fps
edgy spear
CPU is my bottleneck and I did a benchmark of cpu use between the ElvUI setup i had and the new one
autumn marsh
Revenge should be up a lot with the tier bonus
edgy spear
Noticeably less CPU use
cedar trench
ur IP wasn't even breaking are you trying for 100%?
carmine pine
have any one done mage tower on prot yet and got some talents to chare 🙂
novel elm
If I have 421 main hand and 418 shield should I be opening vault in arms for chance at wetstone?
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VQGmqzn2DaBvbwxH/#fight=43&type=damage-done...
You're playing barbaric training,stop that
strong forum
have any one done mage tower on prot yet and got some talents to chare 🙂
My run is up on YouTube
topaz pulsar
i just took wowhead talents
strong forum
My talents are shown in the first few seconds
topaz pulsar
ok so no barbaric training
warm plinth
I really wish Llarold would change that shit
carmine pine
ohh nicee thx going to sub
rain trail
I'm currently using whetstone and puzzle box, but I got a 418 bladebinder's hoof in the vault. Any suggestions?
edgy spear
There's a big difference in the WA use between the two benchmarks caused by me removing a cursor circle WA between the two benchmarks. Overall tho I had about half the CPU use with the new setup. Running some i5 from 2018 and a 3060 ti, so CPU is definitely my bottleneck
strong forum
ok so no barbaric training
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C4JNbYyrq1aFz3kj#fight=32&type=damage-done this was my run from or so 2 weeks ago
pallid turret
3ilvl on cloak or tokens for socket? 🤔
strong forum
You can compare some things with yours
edgy spear
3ilvl on cloak or tokens for socket? 🤔
Grieftorch unless you have it
topaz pulsar
You can compare some things with yours
will do thanks
pallid turret
is it really that good?
edgy spear
Yes
It does stupid damage
The CD on death is just icing on the cake
Someone always dies
sonic eagle
grief is good
pallid turret
hmm never saw anyone else playing with it that's why I didnt really consider it
strong forum
What
sonic eagle
because dps get higher value from it
strong forum
Literally everybody and their mom plays grieftorch
sonic eagle
so not many taanks get it
edgy spear
Because it's highly sought after
sonic eagle
no no but i mean. Its better for dps to get it
strong forum
No it's not
sonic eagle
It is though
strong forum
And why
cinder storm
Who cares about dps?
strong forum
If you could enlighten me
cinder storm
Lol?
strong forum
Cuz iirc
Tanks die last
So they get to use it more often
And grieftorch doesn't do more dmg just because it's used by a dps spec
autumn marsh
Specially in raids
cedar trench
wait i wanna know why its better for dps
sonic eagle
I would rather have an insane dps trinket on my dps and a good tank trinket on me than a bad dps trinket for dps and a grief for me
autumn marsh
Can you imagine a grieftorch in LFR?!
pallid turret
so exchange grieftorch with Decoration?
cinder storm
Because dps are important 
strong forum
I would rather have an insane dps trinket on my dps and a good tank trinket on m...
Good tank trinkets don't exist
autumn marsh
I would rather have an insane dps trinket on my dps and a good tank trinket on m...
There are no tank trinkets
edgy spear
Who cares about dps?
10k dps is 10k dps no matter if it's from a DPS or tank. playing at 30 apm because "tank dps is not important" is giga trolling
pallid turret
Because dps are important <:ratge:890357732543168594>
for whom?
edgy spear
so exchange grieftorch with Decoration?
Yes
cinder storm
I'm talking about dps players
edgy spear
Decoration is mid as fuck
sonic eagle
@strong forum oka gl yeeting that trinket from youre dps's in raid
And getting kicked right away cus everyone is crying over it
strong forum
It's illogical that it's reserved for dps
strong forum
Literally illogical
autumn marsh
<@192743144276623360> oka gl yeeting that trinket from youre dps's in raid
Its like there is a thing called the vault
also sounds like a trash guild
lofty widget
noooo, cause it's on the dps loot spec so only dps can roll for it
sonic eagle
bjgger chance to get it on boss
cedar trench
im so lost in this logic chain
edgy spear
DPS players benefit more from stat stick/stat proc trinkets as they scale more with stats. Raw dmg-on-use/dmg-on-proc will have the exact same DPS benefit for your raid/group no matter if its on a dps or tank
radiant pewter
so we can get extra sparks - from mythic plus right past the 5
autumn marsh
pallid turret
DPS players benefit more from stat stick/stat proc trinkets as they scale more w...
this!
radiant pewter
as drops now
strong forum
It's the age old tale of people pretending that tanks can't use dps trinkets and that a trinket that does flat dmg irrespective of class or spec does somehow more dmg on a dps than a tank
pallid turret
so we can get extra sparks - from mythic plus right past the 5
and rares and other stuff... but would like to know the droprate^^
lofty widget
as drops now
yeah, i got one from a rare yesterday
strong forum
cedar trench
- its better for dps
- stealing from dps bad ):<
- you have a higher chance to get it off a boss?
autumn marsh
Its that damn loot fever
warm plinth
so we can get extra sparks - from mythic plus right past the 5
Yes, from pretty much any content
cedar trench
west pivot
what lootspec are you guys using?
autumn marsh
If you dont need 1 handers or shields im using arms
strong forum
Since I already have all the dps trinkets I could want, I'm perma prot these days
sonic eagle
But that dps is higher valued in loot council in like 98% of raid groups
strong forum
Cuz they dumb
cedar trench
Since I already have all the dps trinkets I could want, I'm perma prot these day...
think of all the dps you STOLE from 
sonic eagle
and you cant get it in pugs unless you are play off spec
autumn marsh
But that dps is higher valued in loot council in like 98% of raid groups
In guilds run by smooth brains
pallid turret
But that dps is higher valued in loot council in like 98% of raid groups
doesnt mean its right^^
cinder storm
It's the age old tale of people pretending that tanks can't use dps trinkets and...
Dps inspecting you asking why you are not using the tazavesh tank trinket
edgy spear
and you cant get it in pugs unless you are play off spec
Just set loot spec to Arms/Fury for that boss. Ez
strong forum
and you cant get it in pugs unless you are play off spec
You can if you go fury/arms lootspec as prot
shell mortar
It's the age old tale of people pretending that tanks can't use dps trinkets and...
Just to chime in. Ofc grieftorch and boon are better for DPS. Far less risk for same reward
edgy spear
Game only looks at lootspec, not the spec you are in
lofty widget
there's arguably less risk with boon on a tank
strong forum
Just to chime in. Ofc grieftorch and boon are better for DPS. Far less risk for ...
Actually other way around
sonic eagle
In guilds run by smooth brains
no reason to sound smart you know 98% of guilds is like this
lofty widget
cause we can live mechanics dps cant
edgy spear
Just to chime in. Ofc grieftorch and boon are better for DPS. Far less risk for ...
[citation needed]
strong forum
Tank is far less likely to die with them than a dps
sonic eagle
@edgy spear you will still be prioritized as off spec
autumn marsh
no reason to sound smart you know 98% of guilds is like this
I dont need to sound anything, if your "officer" knew a damn thing they wouldnt be making stupid decisions
sonic eagle
im not raiding
edgy spear
<@228989837925941250> you will still be prioritized as off spec
i'm like 99% sure that's not true
cedar trench
you're speaking purely anecdotally bro
sonic eagle
i just know thats how it is
cedar trench
you have no idea how their guild runs
shell mortar
Actually other way around
Just for quick examples in M+. Tanks need to cc and go out to use grieftorch because you can't parry/dodge/block during it. And for boon, tanks need to move and kite the most
strong forum
That's on you
If you use it at a poor moment
And you don't need to kite for most
That's just a bad tank
lofty widget
shockwave, torch, its that esay
edgy spear
Kiting as prot kekw
shell mortar
That's on you
No shit. That's why I'm saying it's less risk on a DPS, less brain gcds on a less stressed role
strong forum
Maybe in keys
cinder storm
There are many places to use boon safely in almost every pack/boss
pallid turret
DPS need all their brain gcds to not eat frontals lol
lofty widget
except before tree boss in AA 
edgy spear
In raids there's SO much time where you can just plant as tank and not have to move for those 10 seconds with boon
strong forum
Boon is banned at flowers
pallid turret
even there
lofty widget
so sad watching my surv friend booning in turtle
strong forum
On tree boss it's fine
lofty widget
wish i could dothat
strong forum
But on flowers its banned
cedar trench
you can actually get a good sync on the flowers just depends how you pul lthem
cinder storm
Use it on birds but yeah, flowers is sussy
pallid turret
But on flowers its banned
why? just time it properly
topaz pulsar
dps die so often on pre tree from the green swirlys
edgy spear
I wouldn't wanna boon on Crawth outside of the first bit until the fire dunk.
topaz pulsar
its insane
strong forum
"just time it properly" you need to pull all 3 flowers perfectly otherwise the seeds won't line up
pallid turret
so do that 😄
lofty widget
theres no need
drifting needle
Speaking of flowers, lashers don’t bolster right? 👀
lofty widget
nah
cinder storm
No
strong forum
They don't
lofty widget
thats why crit is so good right
drifting needle
I often think god this combination is toxic and reminder necrotic and go, maybe not so bad haha
strong forum
Oh it's still bad
cinder storm
Now that disc priest is buffed me and my duo have been timing 20s ez
strong forum
Fort + bolstering and Fort + raging shouldn't exist
Yet here we are again
Same as tyr grievous shouldn't exist
topaz pulsar
thundering is boring change my mind
topaz pulsar
id take pridefull
drifting needle
And what’s worst is doing weeklies on my alts chasing people to not be stunned
topaz pulsar
really?
cedar trench
yes
inner hound
Only non-healers want prideful back 😄
cinder storm
Thundering could've worked like raz, stack with your color if you want dmg amp, otherwise it does nothing
cedar trench
pot skipping prideful was just annoying
topaz pulsar
so does thundering
strong forum
It needed multiple CDs to kill
edgy spear
Prideful locked you in to routes and if someone pulled something wrong you were just FUCKED
topaz pulsar
ok thats true
topaz pulsar
besides the mana for the heals
strong forum
You had to strictly plan your route around prideful spawns
If you didn't
Your key is bricked
topaz pulsar
what did encrypted do?
drifting needle
Only fun thing about prideful was seeing some bosses melt zoom zoom
cinder storm
They should've made prideful buff last for 2-5 mins
strong forum
They should've made prideful easy to kill lol
topaz pulsar
or reset CDs after
edgy spear
The three orbs with certain packs/bosses. The first you killed spawned an add and when you killed the add you got a buff.
Buffs were CDR, Haste and invis+movespeed
drifting needle
The scale of the prideful mob got nutty
strong forum
And not this miniboss that you literally have to solo pull
edgy spear
The CDR was so fun
edgy spear
fuck all the homies who spawned the haste add
warm plinth
Prideful should have stopped scaling at +15; then it might have been a good affix.
topaz pulsar
sound actually pretty good but here we are having to dodge stun swirlys and clear or die
mighty valley
prideful should have come to my house to be my friend 🙂
then it might have been a good affix
topaz pulsar
@strong forum so i run never barbaric training right?
strong forum
Yup
topaz pulsar
kk
strong forum
Will make your life so much better
mighty valley
i swear me and my gang barely think about thundering any more, it's just wordless communication and it gets cleared
strong forum
Except when it doesn't
topaz pulsar
i mean there are 5423423 WAs that make it easy
mighty valley
then i go to one pug a week and everyone panics and clears it in 2 seconds
edgy spear
The thundering change to tanks made it a lot better tbf
shell mortar
<@192743144276623360> so i run never barbaric training right?
Why tho?
warm plinth
Pfft we're prot warriors; we just ignore thundering at this point
strong forum
Cuz it literally ruins your rage economy
warm plinth
Non-affix for us
cedar trench
barbaric enjoyers 🚪
edgy spear
Having the tank be one of the two red ones in HoV was really annoying
shell mortar
Cuz it literally ruins your rage economy
Please elaborate
warm plinth
Barbaric Training increases Revenge damage by 25% but increases the rage cost by 50%
shell mortar
I like doing more damage
warm plinth
It literally makes it less efficient
strong forum
You don't do more dmg tho
cedar trench
Please elaborate
think about his comment, think about the talent. im sure you can deduce
topaz pulsar
Pfft we're prot warriors; we just ignore thundering at this point
i never clear. My group has a Evoker and Priest so i get pulled when necessary
edgy spear
Please elaborate
You rage starve yourself too often trying to proc SS resets and end up with free globals and no rage.
shell mortar
Not about efficiency when you're overcapping rage or IP in CDs
mighty valley
less efficient revenge = fewer casts total = fewer ss resets
warm plinth
You can cast 3 revenges for 300% damage for 60 rage or you can cast 2 revenges for 250% damage for the same rage
shell mortar
In raids, sure
vital oak
I'm amused that there were 3 blue and 2 red and they changed it to 3 red and 2 blue. 🙂
mighty valley
there's no such thing as too much rage until you literally can't IP fast enough to drain
strong forum
^
mighty valley
spending rage is universally good
shell mortar
I'd rather drain with Revenge tho during CDs instead of spam overcapping IP
cinder storm
A dungeon where instead of regular adds, you have to kill pridefuls, void emissary, ghunn worms, and dread lords
edgy spear
The dmg benefit of barbaric is minor IN THEORY but in practice i bet it will turn in to a dps loss for most people
cedar trench
you can do what you like tbh kekw
strong forum
I'd rather drain with Revenge tho during CDs instead of spam overcapping IP
And what do you do outside of CDs
Just run empty on rage
Unable to reset SS
edgy spear
And what do you do outside of CDs
wait for auto attacks
shell mortar
It's only an issue on bosses in M+
strong forum
Unable to press IP?
shell mortar
So I don't take barbaric during tyran
shell mortar
But saying it's universally worse is not correct
edgy spear
Bosses are the only thing in DF that can make prot go floorpov
shell mortar
And what's the most dangerous
Big planned trash pulls on fort
edgy spear
Big planned trash pulls on fort
For your group. Not you.
golden acorn
i got a 421 helm from vault - this should be made into tier right
strong forum
Yeah
autumn marsh
Yeah sounds like a plan
strong forum
Unless you kill mythic rasza
ionic fern
Big planned trash pulls on fort
Tried it 2 times in 22 RLP with the first area.
needless to say it diddn't go well.
shell mortar
For your group. Not you.
No, lol. Have you done a high fort key?
strong forum
BT makes your entire rotation less efficient, but go off
You do you
But I ain't recommending it
shell mortar
It's like, without barbaric it's worthless to press revenge during avatar
mighty valley
??????????????/
warm plinth
what the fuck are you pressing then
edgy spear
No, lol. Have you done a high fort key?
Your group dies before you do on almost every big fort pull but play barbaric all you like. No one is stopping you
cinder storm
cinder storm
It's a take
shell mortar
Just damage wise
strong forum
Instead of 12k itll do 10k, big loss
shell mortar
Besides to proc bleed
warm plinth
Again I ask
What are you pressing then
You're arguing that it's better to leave the global empty?
remote venture
With 2 Set Bonus, Reveange are REALLY good as Rage dumper
warm plinth
How does that make any fucking sense
edgy spear
Show of Force doesn't magically stop working because you dont have BT either.
warm plinth
Luckiest procs in the history of WoW
shell mortar
You're arguing that it's better to leave the global empty?
No, just don't prio it over other actions
Which I do
edgy spear
No, just don't prio it over other actions
You shouldn't either tbh
strong forum
You shouldn't prio it anyway
warm plinth
You literally don't prio revenge anyway lol
lofty widget
generators>spenders
edgy spear
If you use all your globals revenging instead of generating rage, maybe that explains why you have issues living fort packs and your groups dont
strong forum
In your average pulls revenge is your filler, when SS isn't ready.
In mega pulls, then you just spam between TC and revenge, sure
shell mortar
If you use all your globals revenging instead of generating rage, maybe that exp...
Funny guy. I'm trying to find some answers, not a shitposter
edgy spear
Funny guy. I'm trying to find some answers, not a shitposter
You got the answers but you dont wanna believe it
strong forum
Like, yes in large pulls BT is good
But there are very little times
Where you do actually big enough pulls
To justify playing it
shell mortar
Where you do actually big enough pulls
Ok, so how big
shell mortar
Like what's the target count
strong forum
Where you regularly pull more than 7 mobs
strong forum
You need enough targets where bloodsurge goes crazy with the rage gen
To warrant to stop using SS
Which is almost exclusively only in AA
In HoV you can do mega pulls, but 90% of them you can't even tank
edgy spear
I'd hate to play BT on Crawth though
strong forum
You're just perma back pedalling to avoid the tank busters
cedar trench
just pull more then 4hed
edgy spear
Crawth without evoker is just painful
cinder storm
It's pretty good with disc priest now
jagged pier
we have a disc in our raid
ionic fern
It's all druids/evokers and the odd one or two holy priest.
jagged pier
pretty good in mythic
tulip kelp
My homie just rerolled disc it’s pretty good
cinder storm
They are 100% better now
edgy spear
We just recruited one for our raids 
cinder storm
Acid rain goes brrr
strong forum
Resto is still meh on healing
edgy spear
Is it like Vesper Totem reincarnated?
warm plinth
Man
strong forum
But if your resto is thaner it can work
warm plinth
Why did you have to bring up vesper totem
jagged pier
Resto is still meh on healing
dont need to heal if everything is dead tho
ionic fern
^
young mango
Crawth without evoker is just painful
Literally avoid evoker at all just dont feel Safe with them
strong forum
Eeeh
edgy spear
Literally avoid evoker at all just dont feel Safe with them
A good prevoker owns
edgy spear
There's just not many of them
strong forum
Idk if they have the throughput, they kinda need the prot pally
ionic fern
Idk, i was watching a Shammy heal a 23 RLP yesterday
Seemed pretty chill.
I got no idea what they do tho.
:oy:
😂
strong forum
They actually press chain heal now
warm plinth
So Nome, just to play devil's advocate, in raid, assuming you were just looking to parse, would it be better to run BT? Because just out of curiosity, I ran sims on my warrior replacing Storm Bolt with BT and it sims better on all target counts (1% better on ST, 4% on 5T).
edgy spear
The sims assume you are very good at managing your rage. 99.9% chance you're worse at it than the sim and then you just end up rage starved hell more often than not.
ocean prairie
is it a good investment to spend valor on ruby whelp shell? for m+
strong forum
It Sims better, but you'll remove so many IPs from your rotation
That you'll just cry
You'll be perma empty on rage
Just to fish for SS resets
edgy spear
i'd be floor pov on Kurog without those IPs
strong forum
It's just bad outside of council
On council it works cuz perma 4 targets and boss does fuckall dmg
And short encounter
But I can't even say if it's more dmg on council ngl
edgy spear
So Nome, just to play devil's advocate, in raid, assuming you were just looking ...
The rage cap talent is unironically good as it helps manage rage better
strong forum
^
drifting needle
Yeh I’m still not entirely sure, I’ve tried both with and without on council and there doesn’t yield a massive difference
edgy spear
Makes you less prone to overpressing IP+SB at high rage and then leaving you too dry
radiant pewter
any weaker aura or plater setting to see the cast of the Bones in shadowmoon and claws in temple
warm plinth
Oh I agree with not using BT. I just like to know the why of things 🙂
drifting needle
I also play with WFT so have the extra income normally to go BT on it 😂
edgy spear
any weaker aura or plater setting to see the cast of the Bones in shadowmoon an...
https://wago.io/8lhZIN_vh I use this WA package. Gives auditory cue on tank busters
warm plinth
I don't like to just parrot things without being able to support what I'm saying because then I'm just an echo chamber.
edgy spear
WFT in absolute dps gain is like Arms > rogue specs > Prot >= Frost DK > others
drifting needle
Yeh painful when we’re reclearing and our shammy is sitting on a boss, I’m like mah dam
strong forum
Rogue? Really?
edgy spear
Yeah apparaently
drifting needle
Yeh previously not so much but rogue gains on all 3 specs pretty solidly it seems in DF
edgy spear
I know everyone clowns on bloodmallet but it's what the Shaman discord links to so i guess:
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/windfury_totem
ionic fern
Why would anyone clown on bloodmallet?
sweet summit
are talent profiles updated
ionic fern
are talent profiles updated
Picking them from SIMC profiles.
edgy spear
Wait those sims are wrong now lol
cedar trench
i trust wordup
ionic fern
Avatar
strong forum
Huh
sweet summit
Picking them from SIMC profiles.
ye fury profile has inspiring presence and that's that
ionic fern
Probably.
drifting needle
That pwar sim is fake news
edgy spear
100% something off as they looked right before 10.0.5
jagged pier
So Nome, just to play devil's advocate, in raid, assuming you were just looking ...
just so u know this is the differnce between BT and no BT
ionic fern
ye fury profile has inspiring presence and that's that
Ping Archi.
drifting needle
It’s like 2.6k ST for me give or take
warm plinth
just so u know this is the differnce between BT and no BT
Yeah I simmed my own toon and it's 1-4% increase
depending on target count
jagged pier
well this is pure ST which is most of the raid
warm plinth
Yeah I simmed 1t and 5t, both 3 mins
jagged pier
I run BT on council but i do have a wack Council build
warm plinth
I was just playing devil's advocate anyway. Like I said I just like to know the why behind shit
Like
crimson furnace
what the actual F is going on with my boy?? what did they do to him????
strong forum
warm plinth
Why does rich draconium require 270 skill when every other node for draconium only requires 155
WHY
cedar trench
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Dalaran Academy
warm plinth
And it's the only node on any gathering profession that has that difference, and it's huge
edgy spear
I've convinced my RL to put me in WF group but im banned from it on terros and sennarth as i rip aggro from our BDK 😦
tulip kelp
It’s pennies now though
warm plinth
idk I make like 15k for an hour of farming generally
Better than 0
for running around valdrakken
tulip kelp
Better to bust keys
edgy spear
how to make money: Buy flavor pockets on monday. Sell tuesday/wednesday when vault opens on spark week
warm plinth
I would buy wow tokens if they weren't worth negative gold
autumn marsh
200k+
tulip kelp
Buy from Chinese farmers
tulip kelp
Or just sell keys
autumn marsh
Must have dipped hard from last week then
autumn marsh
ahh yeah im EU
cedar trench
token crashed on launch
warm plinth
Oh
cedar trench
on US
autumn marsh
Still 140k a hour isnt bad :/
strong forum
EU price is always higher than NA
tulip kelp
Someone teach me how to make gold in WoW please.
Study economics
warm plinth
Someone teach me how to make gold in WoW please.
Level as many toons as me, park them all at community feast, do feast weekly on 38 toons every week, sell flavor pockets
ionic fern
Let me rephrase.
Someone teach me how to make gold in WoW with low effort please.
edgy spear
strong forum
Someone teach me how to make gold in WoW please.
You gotta do anything but play content
ionic fern
You gotta do anything but play content
warm plinth
Well it's low effort once you get the leveling done
ionic fern
Sad but true i guess.
autumn marsh
Guy i know is just making healing pots
hundreds of thousands of them
he seems to be making bank
cedar trench
yea and im probably buyin them all LOL
ionic fern
😂
edgy spear
I made a ton of gold in SL just prospecting while watching TV series.
autumn marsh
Hence the hundreds of thousands of them
vestal rover
Anyone got a ravager cursor macro?:)
cedar trench
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
edgy spear
Anyone got a ravager cursor macro?:)
#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
ionic fern
😂
vestal rover
cheers!
autumn marsh
He made super bank when someone bought ALL the pots and relisted them for 9 g higher
blazing condor
The fact that mining got gutted för money making
thorny stone
I made my money farming titanic orbs when they were selling for 15k, you could almost kill a maiden with 4gcd if you had the quest item
solid dove
Hey im learning all affixes so this week are you gonna still do big pulls and kite or small pull (3/4 mob ) to avoid over stackin ?
cedar trench
Let me rephrase.
Someone teach me how to make gold in WoW with low effort please...
Every time the tank heroic dung bag is up do that and sell ur runes, on US they're like 2k each
edgy spear
Hey im learning all affixes so this week are you gonna still do big pulls and k...
If they all have same HP it can be fine to have more
tulip kelp
I made like 4 mil gold cause one of my old chars had those old starting t shirts that are removed from the game now
vestal rover
Hey im learning all affixes so this week are you gonna still do big pulls and k...
depends on your groups cleave and what adds really
edgy spear
Doing something like HoV 1st pull including dragon is yikes unless you know your group will focus the dragon
ionic fern
WTS Prot information for gold in game.
autumn marsh
I made like 4 mil gold cause one of my old chars had those old starting t shirts...
I should check my old characters
solid dove
Most Likely pick up group so not really efficient dps
dreamy topaz
any dungeons yall recommend running spell block for? TJS trash on fort comes to mind
edgy spear
any dungeons yall recommend running spell block for? TJS trash on fort comes to ...
RLP
cedar trench
RLP
ionic fern
TJS/RLP/Nokhud
jagged pier
nokud?
ionic fern
Yes.
jagged pier
i guess arcblade
cedar trench
Hov sometimes depends how high and what week
edgy spear
RLP on trash + first boss is so good.
tulip kelp
I been using it for SMBG too
tulip kelp
I been doubling cause I’m lazy
cedar trench
what is the range on those skeles btw is it like the dudes in hov?
edgy spear
Just rotate defensives/stuns and kite on skellies
tulip kelp
Pull the one downstairs
edgy spear
what is the range on those skeles btw is it like the dudes in hov?
Its super short afaik
cedar trench
yea i assumed as much, i never really run that far
ionic fern
what is the range on those skeles btw is it like the dudes in hov?
Longer.
cedar trench
HOV is super short but i just step out in SMBG
lime urchin
tulip kelp
I pug a lot and you’d be surprised how little people stun or even snare those skellies that you need to kite
So I just take spell block and it’s ez
edgy spear
All CD opener in to wall in to spell reflect in to shockwave in to kite (if they live)
cedar trench
imagine not SRing the first cast
tulip kelp
On the 21 today they’re alive for like 1 min lmao
edgy spear
On the 21 today they’re alive for like 1 min lmao
Was your group 390 ilvl?
jagged pier
I pug a lot and you’d be surprised how little people stun or even snare those sk...
no they all do
they just do it all at the same time
on pull
tulip kelp
Pugs 🤷♂️
ionic fern
^
cedar trench
yea, i was talking about the 1min comment
tulip kelp
Like today I SR first, then wall, then spell block, and then shock wave and they’re like 30% and running at me full speed still
edgy spear
just hamstring them 
edgy spear
I was half joking
tulip kelp
But doesn’t last long enough 😂
edgy spear
But i'd consider it
strong forum
The max tilter
cedar trench
i wish wow had ? ping
edgy spear
just die and press one singular "?"
"??"
strong forum
The calm question mark
cedar trench
would probably get me banned tho
tulip kelp
Nah i do all that, and then group says ???? Stop moving
When I am trying to not die cause no CDs and no snare
cedar trench
i like to punish pugs for making mistakes then cause more problems doing so 🙂
drifting glade
quick story:
we're doing raza heroic, night of moderate prog, check logs
other side is taking like 3-4x damage and i'm like wtf is causing this
no prizes for guessing what the other tank is doing
tulip kelp
Was it Jerry
drifting glade
fucking jerry