sidearm ain't much but it's damage
#protection
mighty valley
feral dune
got it thanks
modest gulch
Ok how shitty of an idea is this. When dps matters for clearing trash packs (most common thing), make sure I'm shifted into Battle Stance
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [stance:1]!Battle Stance
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
/cast Avatar
/use 13
and thunderous roar on second pack.
#showtooltip Thunderous Roar
/cast [stance:1]!Battle Stance
/cast Thunderous Roar
/use 14
13 is currently Decoration of Flame
14 is currently Blazebinder's Hoof because fuck my life.
These seem to be something I use commonly enough to make sure my dps on trash stays optimal in battle stance
When mitigation matters make sure I'm in defensive stance...
#showtooltip Shield Wall
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Wall
/s !------ SHIELD WALL ------!
/p !------ SHIELD WALL ------!
/r !------ SHIELD WALL ------!
maybe the same concept for spell block and spell reflect
?
steel mauve
you dont need a macro to switch to battle stance, it should be your default until you take a big tank buster hit
robust lark
Friendship ended with defensive stance. Now battle stance is best friend.
steel mauve
until you are going to take a big hit or damage
robust lark
Treat defensive stance like it's another defensive cooldown. The last one you'll ever need to pop. That's what I've been told today
warm plinth
Ok how shitty of an idea is this. When dps matters for clearing trash packs (mo...
You can play however you want but this WILL result in suboptimal play/damage.
modest gulch
having it only attached to shield wall seems like the right move though? It's really only used it super oh-shit situations?
robust lark
You should be using shield wall more than just in those situations though
mighty valley
there are times you don't have shield wall where you want to switch into d stance
warm plinth
Assuming you're ALWAYS using Shield Wall prior to the damage, it's not terrible to macro defensive stance to it
LIke, it's not great, but it's not the worst thing I've seen
But if you're someone who frequently does the oh shit I dropped low better shield wall
Then it's a bad idea
modest gulch
there are times you don't have shield wall where you want to switch into d stanc...
The macro would also work in that situation. If I were to treat it that way. Overlap would still be there though where I'd want to shift into defensive stance but not use shield wall.
mighty valley
you might also accidentally switch yourself out of dstance with your roar macro when you shouldn't
idk, do what you want, but ideally you just learn to use defensive stance
modest gulch
you might also accidentally switch yourself out of dstance with your roar macro ...
I wouldn't be using Roar when an incoming tank buster is about to hit tho.
robust lark
I think you are in the early stages of realizing that you need to give up on defensive stance. I was there yesterday. Now I see the light. Don't think about it so much
steel mauve
usually macroing abilities to other abilities except in specific situations is sub optimal at best, just to be lazy abouth things instead of having an extra button
mighty valley
also blazebinder's is fine? not the top tier of trinkets but neither is deco of flame
craggy pilot
Ok how shitty of an idea is this. When dps matters for clearing trash packs (mo...
all of this is kinda yikes
modest gulch
that remark was about my inability to obtain Incarnate Icon, very unlucky rolls haha
craggy pilot
dont have to do /s Shield Wall ever 🤣
warm plinth
I wouldn't be using Roar when an incoming tank buster is about to hit tho.
You should be using every single offensive cooldown on cooldown, regardless of what's going on with damage intake. We don't just stop pressing our buttons because we're taking damage
modest gulch
also you can/should throw ravager before charge + avatar
charge + avatar, I like that idea
mighty valley
no not as a macro... just press them together
craggy pilot
charge + avatar, I like that idea
he doesnt mean put it in a macro though 🤣
warm plinth
All of our defensive buttons are off the global cooldown except for Demo Shout. There's no competition for the global.
craggy pilot
ahahahahahaha
steel mauve
and ya, dont macro avatar to ravager, you ravager on enemy boss/pack, and charge in while using avatar during the charge
modest gulch
he doesnt mean put it in a macro though 🤣
rats
steel mauve
charge first, avatar during the charge
void marten
the biggest mental challenge for me was using defensives proactively and liberally instead of using them as panic buttons
modest gulch
I'm trying to think this through and optimize what I can... so yea a lot of these ideas are going to be fucky
void marten
after i had this mental shift, tanking became infinitely more easier
modest gulch
dance dance dance bois
steel mauve
gotta dance
warm plinth
Holy mods batman
craggy pilot
funny shit holy shit
steel mauve
i think my eyes are bleeding from those key binds lol
craggy pilot
is Alt and Shift easier as a right handed person?
modest gulch
ctrl is bound to my mouse button, so I'm hitting ctrl using my right nand.
craggy pilot
i use Shift + Ctrl as leftie 🤔
warm plinth
Oh thankf uck
steel mauve
and to be fair my binds are fucked up lol
void marten
wait you dont use c1?
warm plinth
I used to do that as well when I only had a 2 button mouse. One bound to alt, one bound to ctrl
mighty valley
i use `123456qwrtagyhzxcv and then shift some of those, with esdf for movement, and it's enough keybinds to live
warm plinth
It's needlessly awkward compared to the alternatives.
void marten
its my victorious rush ubtton
steel mauve
i dont use ctrl as a modifier, but i use shift and alt a lot
modest gulch
the biggest mental challenge for me was using defensives proactively and liberal...
I did this in Shadowlands on my blood DK (only 2200), not sure why I can't get back there mentally here yet.
void marten
st is spell block
craggy pilot
I'm trying to think this through and optimize what I can... so yea a lot of thes...
why is the top bar empty? do you not like Ctrl+F1 or what?
mighty valley
first step i'd get heroic throw off 5, 5 is a primo slot for rotational abilities
craggy pilot
i would say something like F2 F3 Trinkets
modest gulch
I'm trying to organize it so that my least commonly used buttons are up there, because they're simply farther away.
void marten
also my mouse buttons(have 2) are bound to skull and x mark
wanton cave
hey guys, i havent started keys this week but how are we dealing with bolstering
mighty valley
hey guys, i havent started keys this week but how are we dealing with bolstering
dps affix, they have to make sure to not bolster something insanely that can kill you/everyone
steel mauve
craggy pilot
honestly i think Shockwave + Storm Bolt should be keys next to each other
runic cosmos
hello! does anyone happen to have a fixed version of the ignore pain?
craggy pilot
or Shift modifier
@modest gulch do you have more buttons on your mouse, similar to your Ctrl mod?
wanton cave
dps affix, they have to make sure to not bolster something insanely that can kil...
so we kiting more then normal?, or just having to rely on dps
modest gulch
honestly i think Shockwave + Storm Bolt should be keys next to each other
What makes them related in your opinion?
modest gulch
<@970401340880736346> do you have more buttons on your mouse, similar to your Ct...
only 2 on the thumb, and I can click the wheel. one of them has to be for push to talk though
craggy pilot
ah ok
mighty valley
also ditch hamstring, haven't seen a moment in a million years where i've wanted to use it
mighty valley
so we kiting more then normal?, or just having to rely on dps
kiting is a last resort if you've fucked up, pulled too big, failed to dps things evenly, and made something bolstered so much that it's truly lethal
in an ideal world you just control the pulls well and the dangerous mobs don't stick around bolstered for much time
wanton cave
i see thanks
mighty valley
be aware of the big casts that might go from dangerous -> lethal with any amount of bolstering
warm plinth
I don't have a pic of my bars since I'm at work but it's like this:
Doing this from memory but these are my binds
Think I remembered everything
void marten
shield charge on 1 is weird but whatever floats your boat
warm plinth
I had a free space because the last time I played pwar we were using Devastate
Seemed silly to adjust everything and have to get used to new buttons so I just put the new ability there
modest gulch
you guys are all helping me a shitload thanks
steel mauve
ive seen a few people use charge on their first keybind in the rotational keybindings
warm plinth
yeah I've seen that as well
ashen grail
Hello !
excuse-me, I have a traduction issue, could you say me what does the 2P do exactly ? 🙂
daring marlin
honestly i think Shockwave + Storm Bolt should be keys next to each other
C, V, X
Bolt, SW, shout
😎
warm plinth
Hello !
excuse-me, I have a traduction issue, could you say me what does the 2P...
When you cast Revenge, you gain 4% damage and 4% less damage taken for 5 seconds
Oh shit I suck
I forgot storm bolt and intim shout
modest gulch
My logic is Z, X, C... commonly used defensives on short cd. CTRL+Z, X,C big dick defensives on longer cooldowns
runic cosmos
is anyone else's ignore pain WA delayed? or laggy
warm plinth
I fix
ashen grail
Oh yes, my translation say : "you gain 4% more damage done and 4 % more damage taken " 😄
modest gulch
Shield Charge seems like too long of a cd to take up the 1 key though
polar girder
So I am trying to track combat logs, and I am not getting it. I enabled advanced logs /combatlog i see the file create etc but when I try to upload it via the website/app there is no data even though I went out and fought some random mobs throughout the world
ashen grail
Thx for your answer 😄
warm plinth
Sure, no problem 🙂
craggy pilot
Shield Charge seems like too long of a cd to take up the 1 key though
its rly short though lol
45 sec is short
warm plinth
If I were a brand new warrior, I probably wouldn't have put it there tbf
That's just where I had a gap
steel mauve
mines on alt D
warm plinth
found the Q/E strafer
mighty valley
mine made it to 2 because that was where my Devastate bind had been lingering since early BFA
daring marlin
Q is always execute
modest gulch
So I am trying to track combat logs, and I am not getting it. I enabled advanced...
I recently started using warcraft logs for this https://articles.warcraftlogs.com/help/getting-started
steel mauve
i dont have strafe bound to any thing
warm plinth
e.g. It's Sinister Strike on my rogue
daring marlin
steel mauve
i strafe, i just dont have it bound
daring marlin
Prolly holds mb
modest gulch
i dont have strafe bound to any thing
I've seen people use RM+LM to just move
polar girder
I recently started using warcraft logs for this https://articles.warcraftlogs.co...
thank you
warm plinth
Do you do it with your mind
steel mauve
i hold right mouse button down like 95% of the fight
warm plinth
I mean, same difference
steel mauve
plus my movement keys are SDF
daring marlin
polar girder
im a scrub and use a belkin keypad its nice
void marten
plus my movement keys are SDF
that sounds like a terrorist organization lmao
wasd represent
craggy pilot
Shield Charge seems like too long of a cd to take up the 1 key though
bro i did this shit:
Row 1:
1: SS
2: TC
3: Revenge
4: Execute
5: Taunt
Q: Victory Rush
E: Charge
Z: Shield Block
X: Ignore Pain
C: Spell Reflect
R: Storm Bolt
F: Pummel
Row 2:
C1: Demo Shout
C2: Ravager
C3: Avatar
C4: Dragon Roar
C5: AOE Taunt
CQ: Heroic Throw
CE: Heroic Leap
CZ:
CX:
CC: Spell Block
CR: Intim Shout
CF: Racial
Row 3:
Shift+1: Shield Wall
Shift+2: Last Stand
Shift+3: Rallying Cry
Shift+4:
Shift+5:
Shift+Q:
Shift+E: Shield Charge
F1: Trinket1
F2: Trinket2
F3: Battle Shout
F4: Combat Ress Wrist?
V:
Shift+V:
Ctrl+V:
try it out in a new build maybe
new talents
so you can swap back
steel mauve
as does SDF, it allows me to have a binding on E which is revenge
craggy pilot
Shift feels quite easy to hit with the Pinkie as a righthander i reckon?
round pendant
Should bolstering not affect how I pull packs?
like, should I still stick to double/triple pulling in all the same places as I used to?
craggy pilot
really rough to have Ignore Pain on
he did have that already though
void marten
ignore pain is r
warm plinth
R gang
craggy pilot
this has always been my go-to on PWar
steel mauve
X is heroic leap
craggy pilot
but then again, im leftie
round pendant
my keybinds are ridiculous
steel mauve
R is always my non spammable nuke, shield slam for warrior, lvb for shaman
warm plinth
What does being leftie have to do with it
ancient cosmos
torn on vault; 395 Whispering Icon, 415 Dragon Games Equipment, or 415 belt (i havent made belt embellish yet)
warm plinth
I'm left handed and it hasn't ever impacted my keybind decisions 👀
craggy pilot
What does being leftie have to do with it
i use the other hand 😄
warm plinth
Oh you're one of THOSE lefties
The weird lefties that use the mouse with their left hand
craggy pilot
right hand on keyboard
craggy pilot
The weird lefties that use the mouse with their left hand
sounds like leftie to me
round pendant
the heck
warm plinth
I'm left handed and I've my mouse right-handed since my first day using a computer
steel mauve
every once in awhile you need to switch hit 😉
warm plinth
I've used
Because I'm not a weirdo
I'm kidding but I'm really not kidding, you weirdo
I'm sorry, I love you
steel mauve
ya, lefties are weirdos
craggy pilot
🤣
modern forum
burn them witches!
tulip kelp
Anyone have a clean plater profile with priority coloring/casts for M+?
steel mauve
i started to, then i realized im lazy af and gave up
cursive needle
Anyone have a clean plater profile with priority coloring/casts for M+?
Check out quazii on youtube, he has a great profile, and a ton of m+ guides.
wanton cave
anyone know of any discords that are designed for making teams to push higher keys
steel mauve
the mythic plus friends discord probably
sand mason
On the topic of key binds is anyone else a esdf believer? Instead of wasd
warm plinth
wanton cave
thanks guys
steel mauve
you can update the bot there with your io and it gives you a ranking and allows you to find reliable (maybe) pugs which similar io's and key levels
round pendant
are they toxic in that server? it says "friends" so I hope not heh
I wanna push higher keys but with no real pressure or saltiness if it goes to shit
steel mauve
i dont think so, its a pretty good discord
ancient cosmos
Any thoughts on the choice between 415 Equip and 395 Icon? Bloodmallet has Bag as #2, but all the guides have icon as A+ top, but not sure about ilvl diff
round pendant
I ain't "casual" (in the sense of not wanting to tryhard) but I can't be fucked dealing with toxicity in games anymore
it's so lame
warm plinth
Nah if anyone is toxic just open a mod ticket and they'll yeet
they don't tolerate that shit there
round pendant
I'm still bothered by that fury warrior shittalking me "main tank??" cause he walked in front of me and got frontal'd lmao
warm plinth
no blacklisting either
round pendant
Like I was really surprised after coming back to the game after legion
how bitter people are over "bricked" keys
as if it depleted the keystones like it did back then
warm plinth
Man I haven't thought about an actual depleted keystone in forever
I forgot about that
round pendant
keystones were so nice and easy back then 
steel mauve
i usually could care less about depleted, unless its just super aggrivating like people just doing really dumb stuff
pallid quiver
Most of my failed keys in recent times have been due to people just up and leaving
like, with zero wipes even
They just fucked off
people way too high strung up
steel mauve
ya, i was in AV a couple weeks ago and had a ret pally blow every thing on the first pack when i went to pull every thing in the hallway too, immediately died and just left group
pallid quiver
Mine usually leave like before last boss or something
round pendant
I get annoyed when people repeatedly die to the same stuff but I keep it to myself and go sulk about it alone after we miss the timer by 2 minutes
pallid quiver
so we've already spent like 20 mins or something in the key
warm plinth
I get annoyed when people repeatedly die to the same stuff but I keep it to myse...
Yeah the community would be a lot better if they realized they're never going to see that person again most likely and should just keep it to themselves. Or at least be polite about correcting a mistake
round pendant
the other day I told a hunter what he was doing wrong
and he corrected it
I was so happy
mighty valley
yeah, i'll try once to let someone know something they're missing, if they get hostile about it i'll drop it
steel mauve
in total though, ive pugged most of my keys, and honestly ive found things to be far better attitude wise than in the last few expansions, idk if ive just gotten lucky but ive had quite a few just chill groups
fathom robin
In looking things over as far as to talent tree/spell changes, it doesn't seem like we really need to make any changes with the new patch. Is this fair to say? Or are there actual changes that we should be making?
fathom robin
Okay, thanks for confirming
pallid quiver
you're supposed to delete your character and reroll, prot war ded
terrible class, can't even tank heroics now
craggy pilot
@modest gulch
try something like this
i grouped rotational abilities on 1-5
dmg abilities on C1-C4
Defensive on S1-S4
rest is kinda like you had it
rich sigil
does FbV pull ahead now to BV?
craggy pilot
does FbV pull ahead now to BV?
with tierset no
calm yoke
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bloodscalp/zandaligga looking to craft another 418, also need to know what i should try and convert for my set
rich sigil
with tierset no
ty
calm yoke
currently trying to farm out some like 405 shoulders to convert because the chest set piece has bad stats
rain forum
what is known about shield of the hearth uptime?
rain forum
is it worth spending an embellishment on?
craggy pilot
is it worth spending an embellishment on?
no
woven trellis
can someone send me the best talent tree with battering ram
rain forum
ty @craggy pilot
craggy pilot
can someone send me the best talent tree with battering ram
pin talent build, and swap Thunderlord -> Battering Ram
craggy pilot
bubble taunt is not working is this happening with anyone else
??????
ur in the wrong #protection bro
quartz viper
lol nvr mind
woven trellis
<:pins:353613639380369418>
both the wowhead and icyveins dont present the option but i remember having read somewhere a good battering ram option
craggy pilot
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bloodscalp/zandaligga looking to ...
to be honest, i would likely upgrade ur chest to tier cus of high ilvl, and craft a 418 shield
craggy pilot
pin talent build, and swap Thunderlord -> Battering Ram
^
@woven trellis
@woven trellis
woven trellis
ye it was just even more down mb
calm yoke
nice, thanks @craggy pilot
craggy pilot
lol Nome is taking Titanic Throw in that build 🤔
i would just swap that to Bounding Stride for QOL
warm plinth
Yeah I mean that's a pretty free point
Titanic throw is just ez ranged threat gen
Move it if you want, it doesn't matter
fading tide
does this week m+ feel horrible to anyone else?
slim dove
does this week m+ feel horrible to anyone else?
bolstering is boring and just forcibly slows down keys
craggy pilot
i kinda want both Pain and Gain, Overwhelming Rage, and Bounding Stride
slim dove
easy week regardless.
fading tide
You guys doing small pulls?
slim dove
yes 20 seconds iirc
craggy pilot
so just bolster the shit out of something and kite a bit + 1 Shield Wall
and ur gucci i guess? 😄
or hope ur DPS is giga brain and kill everything at the same time
fading tide
Did a 17 academy felt terrible
craggy pilot
Lancemaster / Plainstomper in Nokhud bolstered sounds kinda yikes
Arcane Ravager in AA
and Bolstered Lasher
if they even get bolstered 🤔
fading tide
Yea the snake one shotted me
craggy pilot
the first dragon on Halls
craggy pilot
Yea the snake one shotted me
Arcane Ravager you calling a snake? 😄
cloud umbra
i did that pull earlier and wasnt that bad, the dragon
craggy pilot
i did that pull earlier and wasnt that bad, the dragon
lvl?
cloud umbra
21
slim dove
its fine if dps focus dragon
slim dove
mine just giga blast and kill small shit early
craggy pilot
yea
depends on the DPS i guess
like theres no danger until stuff starts to die
so can probably just save SW for the end
cloud umbra
Even with the wolf nerfs, i dont like mass pulling them
they still deadly
to the ranged unless they just run circles the entire time not dpsing
mighty valley
I like it more than explosive/sanguine/tyrannical
chilly brook
@strong forum I did a thing
modest gulch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rXQgajwYdAP2q79R/#fight=last +17 HoV, likely a really bad log but we did time. The macros are working out ok. I'm going to bet 27k dps is bad tho
craggy pilot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rXQgajwYdAP2q79R/#fight=last +17 HoV, like...
quite low dmg for 407 honestly
your TC and SS are way too low
modest gulch
idk if I'm overcasting revenge but i'm spamming the fuck out of it for 4 piece set bonus
craggy pilot
just hit it every 3rd GCD
chilly brook
Are you capping rage?
slim dove
you dont modify your rotation for tier.
chilly brook
like
modest gulch
ss and tc are 1 and 2
chilly brook
rotation is the same
modest gulch
I'm blasting that shit
modest gulch
you dont modify your rotation for tier.
yea thats not great
mighty valley
your overall casts are too low and your priorities seem off
modest gulch
your overall casts are too low and your priorities seem off
I think I'm way over emphasizing revenge right?
chilly brook
more rage to spend
mighty valley
I think I'm way over emphasizing revenge right?
yes, unless you're in avatar and the pull is giga enormous, you should be pressing a button that generates rage over revenge every time
chilly brook
just priority of casts is off
frozen rose
For blizzard ability, on primal council, how often do y’all clear it into the fire on a given cast? At what stack? I think I clear too quick cause last night I had to clear it 3 times on one cast , debuff kept coming back on
slim dove
6 stacks
modest gulch
defensive stance only 24% of the time... WAY BETTER THAN 100% haha
urban portal
should be like <10
modest gulch
thanks #goals
craggy pilot
defensive stance only 24% of the time... WAY BETTER THAN 100% haha
good progress tbh
mighty valley
by prioritizing revenge over rage generators, you're killing your rage econ, which means less IP casts, which means less AM value
craggy pilot
you need to hit TC and SS whenever its rdy
when SS resets hit that shit insta
if it will put you over Rage Cap, you pop a IP before SS
which is free cus its off GCD
mighty valley
if you're gonna run spell block you should probably be pressing it more than once per run
craggy pilot
if you're gonna run spell block you should probably be pressing it more than onc...
😄
modest gulch
The emphasis here everyone has posted about is dps, I figured in most aoe pulls that would be prio. Not sure about by cpm
craggy pilot
just dont run it in Halls tbh
craggy pilot
The emphasis here everyone has posted about is dps, I figured in most aoe pulls ...
dps is easy metric to look for, and DPS = Rage which also = survivability
more CDs = more survivability
chilly brook
The emphasis here everyone has posted about is dps, I figured in most aoe pulls ...
in general you're just not pressing buttons enough
craggy pilot
more IP = you dont die
mighty valley
cpm and dps are highly correlated
modest gulch
is it? My highest dps ability in an aoe trash situation seems like revenge... should I be casting SS in those pulls?
I'm getting over capped on rage in those instances tho
craggy pilot
its not like "you need to focus DPS over defensive" its because DPS = Defensive as Warrior
craggy pilot
is it? My highest dps ability in an aoe trash situation seems like revenge... s...
TC is insane in AOE
craggy pilot
I'm getting over capped on rage in those instances tho
click IP
chilly brook
to put this in perspective
craggy pilot
theres no such thing as overcapping rage in Warrior
you literally cant overcap if you play correctly
IP has no CD
mighty valley
spending rage is so inherently powerful that you want to maximize rage gen
modest gulch
well, overcapping rage means "I am at 100 rage and cannot spend it faster that it is being generated" so I am definitely doing it wrong
craggy pilot
more rage = more IP = more Avatar = more DMG
craggy pilot
well, overcapping rage means "I am at 100 rage and cannot spend it faster that i...
you can always spend rage on IP
ALWAYS
IP has no CD
chilly brook
37 minute key:
23 casts of avatar
17 casts of ravager
17 casts of demoralizing shout
17 casts of dragon roar
you're literally not pressing buttons
modest gulch
damn ok
mighty valley
when you've popped all your CDs you do need to mash IP even when your rage isn't high just because your income is so high
summer eagle
The general idea is just to press buttons when they're up, and use ignore pain to avoid capping when you have too much rage
craggy pilot
when i pop Avatar + Demo Shout + Dragon Roar + Ravager, im like spamming 5-6 IP insta
its insane
modest gulch
I'm trying to do like a pseudo-rotation of like... ss > ip > tc > ip > demo > ip
but usually in that mode I'm rage starved
craggy pilot
why is Demo in there?
modest gulch
demo generates 30 rage
mighty valley
you need to think of your on-GCD rotation and the stuff you can press off-GCD
modest gulch
yea but you get what I'm saying, I'm trying to generate rage for ip
craggy pilot
you should always do like this
SS > TC > Revenge > IP
so you IP when you dont have globals for Revenge
sick sentinel
ring of shame
craggy pilot
and SS and TC always take prio over Revenge
mighty valley
IP is just your rage escape valve - maintain your gcd rotation priority constantly, with an eye on pressing IP as often as you need to never overcap
modest gulch
so you IP when you dont have globals for Revenge
ok, gonna try another key and try to unfuck my shit. You guys are so helpful thank you!
craggy pilot
<@970401340880736346>
try something like this
i grouped rotational abilities o...
did you fix your keybindings? 🤔 @modest gulch
modest gulch
I mean I didn't change them yet because rewiring my brain sounds hard. All of this shit is automatic atm.
still just
craggy pilot
like how do you avatar and demo shout?
modest gulch
I'm not using ` at all for stance swaps yet, but I have a bug in my brain trying to remind me to do it
craggy pilot
its not on the bars
modest gulch
I save avatar for dps burst situations using Ravager, but I probably need to change that
#showtooltip Ravager
/cast [stance:1]!Battle Stance
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
/cast Avatar
/use 13
every 1.5m
modest gulch
previously I had it on SS
craggy pilot
so holding it is a waste
craggy pilot
previously I had it on SS
also bad
cus then you might cast it at the last 2 sec of a pack
and waste entire thing
modest gulch
yea exactly
so even if the cd is shortened, do I actually want to use it in situations where its not going to be maximized. My brain just won't stop
limpid kite
ring of shame
which addon writes the percentages after the stats?
mighty valley
send avatar on CD basically always
sick sentinel
its from wod or cata or some shit fair warning
mighty valley
only exception is there's about to be a long run or RP to next pack
craggy pilot
so even if the cd is shortened, do I actually want to use it in situations where...
maximised?
you get more TC during Avatar
so just slam that shit
sick sentinel
las updated like 4.3.5
craggy pilot
main thing you wanna "maximize" is your Dragon Roar
sick sentinel
and its called rating buster
craggy pilot
you wanna Demo Shout every time you Dragon Roar
sick sentinel
in only calculates % crit haset whateverf for if its on the secondary stats
it wont attempt to calculate what 3000 haste is on your trinket
modest gulch
you wanna Demo Shout every time you Dragon Roar
Makes sense because its only during aoe situations (most of the time)
mighty valley
i mean you send them on bosses too
just not like... there's one mob with 30% life left in a pack
modest gulch
45s vs 1.5m tho
limpid kite
its still better than me using an old calculator dividing stats with each other then multiply by the number
mighty valley
45s x2
craggy pilot
45s vs 1.5m tho
ye so you slap demo shout 2 times for every roar
45+45 = 1.5min
quick math 😄
craggy pilot
i was trying to find a log of +17 Halls PWarr to compare to his log
but all of them are Warriors doing 20k dps 🤣
like are people just pulling giga small in Halls now?
craggy pilot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NqacXgj6prDPhtA1#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=5
like look at this stuff
not even much better CPM on anything
0.8 CPM on Avatar 🤔
arctic marten
If you're using Details, it counts only time in combat, while log counts time out of combat too
craggy pilot
still, looks like a lot of people are real shit at PWar :<
inner rock
In the "preferred" m+ build in pins, what would i drop from spec tree to get disrupting shout?
craggy pilot
In the "preferred" m+ build in pins, what would i drop from spec tree to get dis...
link the tree
there are like 4 builds in the pins
inner rock
craggy pilot
you would likely drop Show of Force for it
or Battering Ram
but why do you need Disrupting Shout anyway?
inner rock
i feel like in pugging, the ability to group mobs quickly is a worthwhile effective dps increase
warm plinth
war stonks
craggy pilot
i feel like in pugging, the ability to group mobs quickly is a worthwhile effect...
not a lot of times you need to group mobs by kicking all 5 at the same time though
like 1-2 kicks can group just fine
and Disrupting Shout only kicks if theyre currently in a cast
warm plinth
Actually kinda curious since I've never felt the need for it myself; is Disrupting Shout off the GCD?
arctic marten
Yup
warm plinth
I would assume it would be but wasn't sure
inner rock
i feel like in nokhud, AA, CoS to a lesser extent, would need to think about others, it can be really, really nice to have a second interrupt
but maybe i'm overvaluing comingout of a sanguine week
I'll try running without it for a bit
wtf is show of force, I can't find it (I hate trying to find crap in the new talent trees -- I feel like vanilla style had more order to it)
warm plinth
It's a utility spell so I mean, it has niche use. The only issue with Disrupting over other utility spells is that it actually impacts our damage to be able to take it.
You can just search in the bottom of the window and it'll highlight it for you
viscid fjord
how much vers/haste should i be looking at for higher keys?
warm plinth
for future reference, you can also search e.g. Thunder Clap and it will highlight Thunder Clap and anything that affects Thunder clap (as long as it mentions TC in the tooltip)
inner rock
yeah, i don't want to forgo significant damage talents for it
warm plinth
Any amount you end up with is fine
bold flower
Hey guys, has any one done mage tower in this patch?
versed delta
Yes, broke my back and still can't get past 1st phase
wintry anvil
Use defensive stance when? what level key
chilly brook
Use defensive stance when? what level key
when you need it
warm plinth
There's not likely a key level where you will just use it all the time unless you're playing super safe for some reason
You mainly just use it as a defensive
wintry anvil
i generally keep it on 17's and higher.... havnt tried keys without it
grim grotto
where do u think spellblock at 20+ keys is a worth pick? did a +20 ruby right now and the first pulls destroyed me almost ( big pulls ofc :> )
so i consider picking it next time
hallow pebble
New to warrior and tanking heroic Diurna - Getting mixed answers on websites, and not sure I understand logs enough. Does spell reflect help reduce damage on mortal stoneclaws? Should I be using it before every one? Seems like most of the damage is physical, but that's what the Wowhead guide is saying.
sterile bough
where do u think spellblock at 20+ keys is a worth pick? did a +20 ruby right no...
its nice on every dungeon pretty much
I always to forget swapping it
so just always keep it
on every dungeon there are a lot of mechanics u can use it for
grim grotto
alright
pallid quiver
where do u think spellblock at 20+ keys is a worth pick? did a +20 ruby right no...
RLP and Temple are the main two
Most of the others you get minimal benefit from it in comparison to the damage from the shield spike talent
odd maple
Any advise from prot warr to another regarding diurna heroic fight… she slam me so hard 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
pallid quiver
But it can be used to help reduce damage if you're taking a decent amount
sterile bough
on AA is very helpful on the vexamus packs, and insanely helpful on the packs b4 last boss
rlp only for the first boss area and last boss
AV for the crystal fury casts, some bolts, ice cutters, 2nd boss breath, last boss claw
NO I guess if u plan on doing big pulls in the 3rd boss area
COS none useful
HOV well from noticible ones 1st pull drake, 2nd boss on the aoe field + the beam
SBG trash b4 first mob and first boss, I think it could work on 3rd boss but never tested it
temple, good for 2nd 3rd boss and all trash past 1st boss
chilly brook
@strong forum hope I did you proud dad
toxic mesa
now that's a dwarf warrior
sick sentinel
it says i stood in 2.2 million of failure dmg that 11 hov (primal infusion farming) but some other guy stood in 3.7m, some dudes EH
limber python
is there an addon that tracks who used their taunt button
or a way to see in warcraftlog
tender cove
where is the catalyst? 😒
sick sentinel
in logs it would show as a cast yeah
sounds like somebody about to get kicked from raid
turbid shuttle
warspears in nokhud: you can stand in melee to prevent them from swift slice (charging) right?
tender cove
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IjuSycXjqM>
Not there 😦
warm plinth
Listen to the song though; it's awesome
tender cove
Listen to the song though; it's awesome
I'll counter with this oldie xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU
tender cove
but really though, i did the new tyr quest, got the achive, where catalyst? 😒
dont say its locked behind the main campaign shit and I need to farm renown to unlock it...
empty inlet
does catalyisting 1 char affect other chars ?
sick sentinel
dont say its locked behind the main campaign shit and I need to farm renown to u...
watch ppl freak out when its locked behind 25 in all 4 reputations
warm plinth
does catalyisting 1 char affect other chars ?
No, the weekly charge quest gives a charge to all characters current and future.
warm plinth
but really though, i did the new tyr quest, got the achive, where catalyst? 😒
Go to Seat of the Aspects, talk to watcher stonyboi
His quest will take you to it
sick sentinel
qq ran out of dragon flying stuff
warm plinth
I'll counter with this oldie xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU
That video makes me uncomfortable
tender cove
That video makes me uncomfortable
yeh, thats the point hahah. Its my generations "what the actual fuck is this" video xD
tender cove
I had all totem drop and then mythic decoration. Didnt get either. Sadge day 😦
slim dove
so big mistake not taking the quest before raid today huh
world boss worth 50% credit, each m+ dungeon is like 25% iirc, maybe more.
tender cove
world boss worth 50% credit, each m+ dungeon is like 25% iirc, maybe more.
ohh, thats not all too bad
the timewalking cache can drop tier tokens right?
slim dove
no
tender cove
what?
warm plinth
world boss worth 50% credit, each m+ dungeon is like 25% iirc, maybe more.
World boss is 20%
It was hotfixed like an hour after that post was made
warm plinth
the timewalking cache can drop tier tokens right?
No, dungeon weekly and TW weekly cannot drop tier
tender cove
So cache of vault treasure cant drop tier? It drops everything else though?
warm plinth
Correct
tender cove
trinkets? or is it pointless to even do?
slim dove
yes it can drop everything else.
warm plinth
Trinkets, yes. Literally anything but tier
tender cove
okok 😄
still no idea what to pick from vault. Both choices feel correct AND wrong at the same time 😦
Ring replaces 392 melandrus and tier also replaces 392 gloves.
sick sentinel
i dont undersand how you get the charge yet
mighty valley
this seems like a straightforward tier choice?
slim dove
ring
warm plinth
You get the charge
toxic mesa
the ring isnt even that good on warrior
warm plinth
The quest is wherever that revival quest takes you
tender cove
this seems like a straightforward tier choice?
Is it though? The ring, while tank ring, could take forever to drop and i wont be seeing the fire proc ring in forever.
warm plinth
yes, that's broodkeeper
mighty valley
yeah, that's the absorb shield one
slim dove
ew
mighty valley
you would ditch that for any 421 ring imo
tender cove
yeah, that's the absorb shield one
isnt it good in combination? Procs of the fire ring?
sick sentinel
far as i know there wasn't a second quest
mighty valley
you need the belt to proc either of them basically
toxic mesa
your only way to proc it is the unstable belt, and that's not much
tender cove
far as i know there wasn't a second quest
go top of valdrakken, where the 3 dragons are
its a seperate quest
gloves it is then, just assumed the ring was way more valueable i guess
toxic mesa
imo those fire rings are for leather tanks only, dh has fire damage by its own and druid+monk can craft flaring cowl
slim dove
the belt procs enough to keep up with ring ppm.
sick sentinel
complete group content?
warm plinth
The belt procs all the time wdym
sick sentinel
whatever that means
warm plinth
Yes, literally any item that does fire damage will proc it
Well, let's see
What kind of content do you do in a group?
Dungeons, raid, world boss
tender cove
pvp^
sick sentinel
pepega vs peepo
tender cove
gloves was 1.7 overall ilvl upgrade, not bad, not bad at all
toxic mesa
the belt procs enough to keep up with ring ppm.
checked shuhwar and alfascars ruby life pools 24/25 logs and on warrior broodkeepers ring was doing 660 dps and on dh 1200dps
tender cove
still free dmg though?
mighty valley
what does it matter? if the ring shows up in your vault you're taking free damage
full rune
yo, random question, does anyone have a picture of their details breakdown in a high key? damage done, healing done etc
toxic mesa
what does it matter? if the ring shows up in your vault you're taking free damag...
it's "free" after your all other gear is so called "bis", im fairly sure those 421 tier gloves are a dps upgrade for him, too
also, it forces you to craft the belt
mighty valley
oh no
of course it's not enormous, it's just a free embellishment basically so better than any other same ilvl ring
modest gulch
Options: https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Reidi
- upgrade ring to 418 (solid)
- upgrade belt to 418 (solid)
- create a new weapon and upgrade it to 418 to replace 402
warm plinth
it's "free" after your all other gear is so called "bis", im fairly sure those 4...
It's free when you get the ring...wdym when your other gear is bis lol. It's literally 2% damage for free.
Like all you need is the belt and you're good to go
You lose no stat budget on the ring for it. The damage proc is on top of that
Even the shield ring is a lot of shield on heroic/mythic
and it's still a free effect
warm plinth
I think gloves are crit/mastery so those would be "bad"
But it really doesn't matter unless you're at the min/max stage
toxic mesa
"all you need is the belt"
that's assuming one hasn't crafted two special embellishment items already
and the itemlevel of the items you are going to replace with all the items in question also play a part if it is actually a dps upgrade or not
toxic mesa
I think gloves are crit/mastery so those would be "bad"
the belt is also crit/mastery so shrug
warm plinth
We have literally unlimited sparks at this point. You can recraft if you absolutely needed to.
tender cove
But it really doesn't matter unless you're at the min/max stage
its again a guild question. We're not allowed 5set and they want to know what piece we dont want.
I'm so tired of this loot council shit... They gave all totem to the trial tank today, who last raid also rolled bis on his other tank trinket. Sure, i rolled MS cuz i dont care so much about rumbling but still annoying and making me salty.
warm plinth
Who cares
slim dove
mastery isn't a dead stat
warm plinth
Having haste/crit instead of crit/mast on a belt isn't worth 2% damage
tender cove
I legit told them we should start going on logs and performance only so i can get some damn loot. Entire raid silent xD
warm plinth
its again a guild question. We're not allowed 5set and they want to know what pi...
Whatever one you're least likely to get I suppose is the one I'd choose at this stage. You can always convert a piece later if it comes down to it
toxic mesa
@tender cove what embellishments do you currently have?
tender cove
<@320957287818854401> what embellishments do you currently have?
only lariat
and i took hands already if thats what you're wondering.
toxic mesa
alrighty, what are you going to craft next then?
i had lariat+fang before, but removed fang and crafted the allied bracers today
tender cove
Whatever one you're least likely to get I suppose is the one I'd choose at this ...
yeh, they said I can get prio on off pieces to convert but no tier, thats for healer officers it seems xD
tender cove
alrighty, what are you going to craft next then?
i've saved it to craft frostfire belt tbh
but just had 411 belt and wanted todo wep 418 first so just havent gotten around too it yet
tender cove
i had lariat+fang before, but removed fang and crafted the allied bracers today
I think i will go for terros neck instead of lariat tbh
robust lark
so I just tanked first 4 bosses in VOTI without using defensive stance. I just did them on normal to test it out since I was dumb. My parses from being in defensive stance were like grey,16. My parses in battle stance were 88-92. El oh el.
inland mesa
people said frosted armor over fierce earlier today, is there a big reason why?
mighty valley
10%+ dmg turns out to be a lot
dusk tulip
How does prot feel in m+ after the nerfs? were the nerfs as overblown as i thought they'd be
slim dove
How does prot feel in m+ after the nerfs? were the nerfs as overblown as i thoug...
don't even notice them.
robust lark
barely noticed a difference in 12-14s right now
dusk tulip
I thought that'd be the case
slim dove
20s, intake feels the same.
dusk tulip
I have a feeling monk might be the giga chad tanks soon though their changes are feeling mighty juicey
inland raft
Is it known whether spark drop rate is increased in higher difficulty content? Or just as likely to get it from lfr as mythic or a 2 as a 22?
modest gulch
i feel like in pugging, the ability to group mobs quickly is a worthwhile effect...
This is the ENTIRE reason I take disrupting shout for M+ no matter what
warm plinth
Is it known whether spark drop rate is increased in higher difficulty content? O...
If it works like Legion legendaries (which is the comparison they made iirc), then yes
But we don't know for sure
warm plinth
Wasn't it like...garbage anyway
mighty valley
it was 10yds and burned a movement ability, doubt we would've run it
toxic mesa
especially if you got gear upgrades today you probably negated the block value nerfs that happened
warm plinth
Felt the same to me
dusk tulip
I would have run it out of spite
warm plinth
lol
hushed harbor
This is the ENTIRE reason I take disrupting shout for M+ no matter what
What do you give up to take it? Would like to take DS but im not sure what to give up.
inland raft
I want a brez, 100 rage cost you /yell insults at someone who is dead
dusk tulip
has anyone esle been having issues with the lasher mobs on tree boss just immediately whacking dps?
warm plinth
"Your mother was a goat and your father smelt of elderberries." Ghash revives with 60% health and mana.
dusk tulip
threat plates says i have threat on them all but melee always seem to get whacked
toxic mesa
has anyone esle been having issues with the lasher mobs on tree boss just immedi...
yeah, precast ravager or aoe taunt :d
inland raft
has anyone esle been having issues with the lasher mobs on tree boss just immedi...
Usually its the healer cuz healer aggro since cant build aggro til they become active
slim dove
the lashers have no aggro table until they become active.
save big aoe threat shit for when they come up
inland raft
Right after last swirly ends and they spawn he does his cast, name slipping my mind right now, thats when you want to aoe taunt or soemthing like dragon roar
toxic mesa
unironically i want lust
yeah warriors should get war horn or something like that
woeful reef
What path do you guys take in AA? Ive always done tree boss first then head north but people asking if we should go left first instead of tree and kind of go backwards
dusk tulip
Out of all the classes that can lust warriors feel like they fit it the best
blood lust for a class that has rage as a resource
versed delta
What path do you guys take in AA? Ive always done tree boss first then head nort...
Vex to Crawth to Tree boss
inland raft
Don’t think really matters if dont have a rogue
Rogue makes left route clearly better though
woeful reef
We dont have rogue 😦
toxic mesa
vex is good if you lust the first pull or if you invis pot to vex to get the boss active asap and lust it
dusk tulip
I normally lust all 3 tree packs then go vex
inner rock
What do you give up to take it? Would like to take DS but im not sure what to gi...
is it possibly booming voice? or is it def show of force or battering ram?"
west hill
Hello my fellow gentlemen in the prot warrior community. Question for ya:
What's the soft cap on added Haste from equipment?
inland raft
From 0 to 30%, there's no penalty.
From 30% to 39%, 10%
From 39% to 47%, 20%
From 47% to 54%, 30%
From 54% to 66%, 40%
From 66% to 126%, 50%
But really doesnt matter just stack it
Not gonna get deep enough into dr to matter at least not first tier
west hill
So I'm not soft-capped here?
west hill
ok cool. so ITF won't take me past any sort of cap
toxic mesa
no, neither will bloodlust or any other % haste proc, only haste rating matters for diminishes
like lariat proc
inland raft
It really isn’t something to think about at all
west hill
alrighty thanks you guys. Guess ill just try to stack as much haste as i can?
toxic mesa
yeah, you arent going to get that high haste rating that it would matter in this tier, later in the expansion it probably will
inland raft
Just stack ilvl>haste>vers/crit>mastery
Forget caps are even a thing at least this early in xpac
west hill
gotcha. Really great info -- thanks y'all
inland raft
Ilvl is king always remember, secondary only comes into play when comparing same ilvl in same slot
limpid halo
How good is tier pieces compared to ilvl?
warm plinth
Pretty good.
2pc is easily simmable for the damage portion. 4pc is worth ilevel in keys but not really in raid.
You could ignore 4pc entirely for raid and probably not notice
inland raft
Ya wouldnt drop much for 4 piece, its nice in keys but pretty meh in raid
oak quarry
Hey there, does anyone have a cheat sheet for talents of all mm+s ?
inland raft
Catalyst will get you there eventually
sand kettle
what are you guys running for embellishments? lariat obv and then what?
inland raft
Can run the wowhead build in pretty much all dungeons, might want to tweak some things like intervene in halls but stuff like that will come naturally as you learn the class
limpid halo
My chest is currently 408ilvl(not set) would normal set item be worth it?
If it gives me 4 piece,
In M+
inner rock
anyone else get a bug where you clear the trash on crawth's paltform, she doesn't land/orbs don't spawn, and you're just stuck in combat with no way to suicide?
sand kettle
that's only happened to me when we tried to grab the birds off the side and they snapped
one of them was evade bugged in combat, we had to port out and return
inner rock
hearths on cd and i don't even see any birds on a side somewhere
toxic mesa
anyone else get a bug where you clear the trash on crawth's paltform, she doesn'...
yeah we hearthstoned out and flew back in, there was a single small bird waiting for us at crawths platform then
inland raft
Bird boss has lots of bugs from stuff like that to the orbs never spawning etc
And feels like it doesnt get a lot of attention
sand kettle
the bug where the air goal doesnt work is annoying af
inland raft
If rage starved your doing something wrong most likely
Wither too much revenge/ip or not enough ss/tc
tender cove
anyone else get a bug where you clear the trash on crawth's paltform, she doesn'...
yeh, didnt even do any shenanigans, one bird just didnt come down on the 2nd where its supposed to be duo and he wouldnt spawn, you cant suicide and heart didnt help.
Vex trash is similar where i've seen it teleport of the map and prevent vex from spawning, at least that we could suicide down with immunity and finish the add
misty pagoda
Would it be cause of haste as well?
For ip do I wait until I’m out or keep popping it ?
inner rock
its exceptionally dumb mio that falling off that platform does not kill you
warm plinth
It's a gameplay issue if you're running out of rage regularly.
tender cove
its exceptionally dumb mio that falling off that platform does not kill you
that was actually worse tbh.
misty pagoda
Dang okay
warm plinth
Do you have any logs?
warm plinth
I recommend logging something for us to take a look at
inner rock
wtf, i logged, and now i am in AA as if M+ were starting but every path out is blocked and theres no protal out
I kid you not
toxic mesa
Is it normal I don’t build a lot of rage ?
are you using shield slam and thunder clap always when they are ready?
do you have bloodsurge talented?
do you have vicious outburst talented?
make sure you DONT have barbaric training
dont press revenge too much
warm plinth
How would I do that?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com download the WCL uploader here
Make sure Advanced Combat Logging is checked in your network options in-game
Either remember to type /combatlog at the start of a key/raid fight or get an addon that will autolog for you (Loggerhead, raider.io, MRT)
Type /combatlog again at the end (if not using the autolog addons)
Use the uploader to upload the file (_retail/Logs file path)
inland raft
Ya i think biggest mistske a lot of new prots make is too much revenge
misty pagoda
are you using shield slam and thunder clap always when they are ready?
do you ha...
I don’t really pop revenge as much tho
inland raft
Especially in st
warm plinth
Nah if you're rage starved it's very likely just a matter of not using things enough.
Bad CD usage, not prioing Shield Slam, that sort of thing.
inland raft
But ya tc and ss should always be off cd
misty pagoda
I’m talented blood surge and violent outburst
warm plinth
Almost every log I've seen posted in here asking for advice has been really bad about using Demo Shout
Which is a free 30 rage every 45 seconds right there
misty pagoda
Maybe that’s why
warm plinth
Also make sure to be sending your CDs when they're up. All of our CDs give us rage
misty pagoda
I pop charge a start ravaged demo and road
tender cove
Im i overreacting from this? The shit this guild does is just getting wilder by the day...
"One thing going forward we want to remove "tank talk" from discord, the way we want you to solve that is that you all write down your Btag here, add eachother
And then when raid starts do a voice call on Bnet with open mics, you can use push to talk on Discord, You can mute eachother on discord so you don't hear eachother double"
They are annoyed i'm frequently calling taunts on boss and communicating with my off tank.
This shit has me fuming, are they for real???
toxic mesa
the more rage you spend, the more rage you can generate
warm plinth
I pop charge a start ravaged demo and road
Are you using Thunderlord, just curious
misty pagoda
Yes
mighty valley
Im i overreacting from this? The shit this guild does is just getting wilder by ...
your guild is insanely tryhard, way above their pay grade
warm plinth
You want to use demo shout prior to the rest of your damage CDs
misty pagoda
I mean challenging
warm plinth
So you get the damage increase
slim dove
Im i overreacting from this? The shit this guild does is just getting wilder by ...
everything you talk about your guild sets off red flags.
misty pagoda
Just challenging about and demo
Should I have avatar and demo macro?
I think that’s why
mighty valley
what's with all the macro questions today
inland raft
And even if they did you would want them separate
misty pagoda
Hmm what about decoration flame
tender cove
everything you talk about your guild sets off red flags.
I told them straight up. Its the most asaine take on raid leading i've seen in 15 years and i'm not having 2 voice chats going and im also refusing to use push to talk
slim dove
I told them straight up. Its the most asaine take on raid leading i've seen in 1...
Only 2-3 people should really be talking on prog pulls.
warm plinth
Get the logs and we'll know exactly what's going on
mighty valley
I told them straight up. Its the most asaine take on raid leading i've seen in 1...
this is a practice from literal RWF guilds where everything is extremely tight and honestly even they sound more relaxed and fun that your guild
warm plinth
It's easy to think you're doing everything right. I once had a guy insist he was using Shield of the Righteous constantly on his prot paladin, and when I checked logs, he went an entire boss fight only using it once
once you know where the gaps are, you can make UI changes, make a WA, stuff like that to make sure your attention is drawn where it needs to be
rancid iris
Im i overreacting from this? The shit this guild does is just getting wilder by ...
lol I think I just got dumber reading this... some people have weird priorities. Why are they against you discussing stuff in discord
tender cove
Only 2-3 people should really be talking on prog pulls.
I can get that but they don't even have proper cd rotations, they are not communicating among themselves and frequently raid lead over each other and telling me todo 2 things, contradiciting each other immensely. Add the tracking off mythic runs, add the loot council and some other shit i've mildly annoyed by and its like what?
inland raft
Rav>avatar>charge>demo>roar is how i open when have everything up personally i like avatar before charge so it gets the buff
lone eagle
Im i overreacting from this? The shit this guild does is just getting wilder by ...
Yeah that's stupid
slim dove
I can get that but they don't even have proper cd rotations, they are not commun...
You should be one of them, being the MT.
warm plinth
why do you have two raid leaders XD
slim dove
Only other should be the raid lead calling healer CDs and generally "X ability in Y seconds"
toxic mesa
I told them straight up. Its the most asaine take on raid leading i've seen in 1...
your guild sets off red flags, but refusing to use push to talk is a major red flag to me
fucking voice activation people....
warm plinth
There's nothing wrong with voice activation as long as you don't have a $15 headset from walmart
tender cove
your guild sets off red flags, but refusing to use push to talk is a major red f...
if it caused issues? like randomly talking, coughing etc? fine. But i'm not and keybinds are limited.
slim dove
your guild sets off red flags, but refusing to use push to talk is a major red f...
this isn't ventrilo in 2006, we can use voice activation fine with a $50 desk mic.
warm plinth
I have a toggle mute keybind in case I need to cough or something
misty pagoda
I’ll do a key and try it
warm plinth
But otherwise my mic is open and I stream and you can't hear shit
Discord even has noise suppression so even when I'm talking you can't hear my keyboard in the background.
toxic mesa
yeah that's what they all say, then its all the keyboard noises, coughing, talking, belching, game sounds..all sorts of annoying noise coming through
tender cove
lol I think I just got dumber reading this... some people have weird priorities....
I dont know. Its literally been stuff like "taunting boss", "taking add", "can you pickup add", "can you start boss my cd's arent up". Like actual shit that I deem important to the pull at hand
tender cove
like, most guilds have praised me for being able to talk and tank and adapt
but not this guild
wtf
mighty valley
I dont know. Its literally been stuff like "taunting boss", "taking add", "can y...
this is useful info to overhear to a raid leader who's smart
slim dove
your raiding with a bunch of friends larping as RWF raiders
rancid iris
^ this
slim dove
the loot council setup is evidence enough of that.
tender cove
your raiding with a bunch of friends larping as RWF raiders
yeh, more and more that appears to be the case yeh
mighty valley
yeah, none of these people are being paid to play this game, why are they treating it like a call center job
warm plinth
I dont know. Its literally been stuff like "taunting boss", "taking add", "can y...
How dare you communicate so the fight goes smoother
Scrub war smfh
tender cove
the loot council setup is evidence enough of that.
last 2 raids, both healing officers went from 2 set to 4set and increased smt silly like 8 ilvls overall
tender cove
you tell me
inland raft
Ya tanks and heals are thr last people who shoukd get geared, you gear them enough to live/heal and funnel to dps as much as can if really caring about minmaxing the raid
Ofc if not hall of fame raiders it doesnt matter anyways
Raid bosses dont die to overheals
tender cove
I've been feeling like leaving and i even told my officer friend that im one second away from dropping the raid mid pull.
Was after I said "move bosses on council" followed instantly by raging from one RL saying "you cant move, they have to be stacked up", followed up seconds later by the 2nd RL yelling at me, "you have to move the fucking bosses, you dont realize you cant tank them like this"
and now with that post? yeh...im speechless.
slim dove
two raid "leaders"
warm plinth
Yeah definitely time to start looking for a new home
versed delta
Time is precious
inland raft
Id have already been gone
versed delta
Don't waste time on the unworthy
tender cove
Id have already been gone
I came back after 3 expo break, i wanted to get AOTC, get some decent logs and yeet. That was the OG plan then i got good friends with the healing officer and i like to play m+ together. So i just stayed around.
inland raft
I dont raid anymore but ive passed through a couple of those types of guilds over the years, always left quickly
warm plinth
I came back after 3 expo break, i wanted to get AOTC, get some decent logs and y...
did you at least get aotc? lol
inland raft
But i also was never married to tanking in raid even though prot main, ill arms if can get away with it and fury otherwise if cant tank
Raid tanking boring anyways imo tbh
tender cove
did you at least get aotc? lol
no, because they are to fixated on loot and dont even attempt raz. They just clear heroic and then went mythic today, killed one boss and ended it.
slim dove
tender cove
they said "we want to have 2 mythic bosses on farm for vault and after that we will progress raz to make rankings look good"
inland raft
Ya guilds who care about rankings are instant leave for me
tender cove
they think they are building some super guild with 1 day raiding but still demanding everyone to gear outside the raid
inland raft
If you arent in top handful if guilds your ranking doesnt matter
tender cove
If you arent in top handful if guilds your ranking doesnt matter
exactly, nobody gives a shit if its 700 or 1400
And even if they "allow" me to talk because i refuse it, or simply I wont communicate with the other tank. The mood and fun will be gone because it will feel like a hostile bad energy place to be.
So worthless
tender cove
I'm not gonna be debbie downer but I had fun with a few of them, i really hoped all the red flags was just some wild shit for show, trying to get everyone to aspire for greatness or smt. I dunno. I feel sad now. 😦
inland raft
Itll be decently high uotime if play right but isnt something consciously think about
jolly temple
Just was curious if like 50% was too low or something for a 17 Halls.
bitter ravine
I'm not gonna be debbie downer but I had fun with a few of them, i really hoped ...
i honestly feel like every time i see a red flag now its not just a hunch and there is validity behind it
get into a new guild and something feels off "nah i must be dreaming" turns out i am right
slim dove
^
tender quartz
Can we get more Ingennuity Sparks form WQ for example or is there a list of activities that drop em?
pallid quiver
But at any rate, that guild would be an instant gquit for me, boss
slim dove
Can we get more Ingennuity Sparks form WQ for example or is there a list of acti...
people have gotten them from dirt piles, magic bound chests, and scout packs.
so WQs are a safe bet imo.
tender quartz
Okay so I assume everything then. Had a Shaman loot one in M+, was 21+ tho
Off to dirt piles I go!
mighty valley
i think like legion legendaries it's best not to think of "farming" for sparks
just like. do stuff and be happy when you see one
tender quartz
I just need 1 more tho and I'm set q_q
modest gulch
Ghash you are such a fucking champ, thank you for enduring the onslaught of noob question from me and others lol
tender quartz
Okay maybe 2 if I want 415 > 418 Ring 🤭
modest gulch
I am not going to stop with the noob questions btw... I am still a fucking noob
brace yourself
mighty valley
you may be a noob, but so long as you seek improvement, you will never be a scrub
tender quartz
Brace for Impact? 🤭
warm plinth
reef holly
How many mythics does one need to run to get enough current for catalyst?
mighty valley
4
reef holly
Cheers thx team
Should we be seeing the currency on our character?
Enlightened renascence?
mighty valley
I looted a thing at the end of each
warm plinth
No, it's just what fills the bar
reef holly
Got it thanks
warm plinth
Think of it like the cobalt assembly rep
You pick up an item but you don't actually keep the item
oak echo
is the first pull in HoV with dragon just off limits this week or people still doing it on like a 20?
warm plinth
is the first pull in HoV with dragon just off limits this week or people still d...
Depends on how much you trust your group
In PUGs I'd probably split it
slim dove
is the first pull in HoV with dragon just off limits this week or people still d...
first 3 with lust funnel dragon
warm plinth
cba fighting 5 bolstered dragon
tender cove
get into a new guild and something feels off "nah i must be dreaming" turns out ...
Yeh, im writing my resignation to my healer buddy officer. I'll give him the courtesy of the full explaination and critique towards the guild.
For the rest. I'm just gonna say I dont feel we are a good match personality wise and I dont agree with some of the leadership decisions and I feel its better we part ways rather than souring the situation and "putting up" with each other.
tender quartz
Does anyone have the WoWHead with the wirte up where Sparks can drop? I think I seen one yday
tender cove
thats fair right? No point going into discussions about why and shit?
slim dove
your going above and beyond for a 7/8 1/8 guild with a loot council friend group dynamic with an actively hostile raid enviroment.
tender cove
I dunno. I dont wanna be a asshole about it either. Its bit on me as well. And maybe the new guild asks them about me, better to be cordial about it.
or no?
slim dove
idk i haven't "applied" for a guild in years
when i raided in legion i got brought on purely by my logs
then raid lead cuz i actually gave a fuck about progging
tender cove
This was legit the only guild that I could get into at the start, nobody wants a nobody tank that doesn't have any logs or raid expo for 5 years.
slim dove
never contacted old guilds about new potentials
if they were cunts in their trial farm run, they got booted.
wide dragon
Sbell Block on RLP yes or no?
modest gulch
you may be a noob, but so long as you seek improvement, you will never be a scru...
actually going to use this differentiation as a moniker of achievement
tender cove
when i raided in legion i got brought on purely by my logs
ye, this is worrying me. I haven't looked at rio but based on my rankings after each raid, i'd say its like 70-80% avg. not very hot. I wanted to brush it up a bit but hard to try and parse when doing the raid first and 2nd time xD
modest gulch
I'm not a fucking noob bois, I'ma fucking scrub
slim dove
ye, this is worrying me. I haven't looked at rio but based on my rankings after ...
your better off playing DPS with tank OS and apping that way.
99% of guilds already have two MTs
tender cove
99% of guilds already have two MTs
I know, this is why im in my current guild.
the plan was to suck it up for 2-3 more weeks, get 2-3 kills, focus on ranking and get at least like 90s
slim dove
i dont think a 90 parse is gonna get you brought in to tank for a guild over a long-standing, already liked and vetted tank within a guild.
tender cove
And i didnt even mention the top part of the message lol. I complained about all totem going to a trial (after they said last raid raiders have prio) and then after raid they promoted both the trials tanks but also said "we're gonna trial dps with tank offspec and have them tank so dont get too comfortable".
slim dove
pallid quiver
If I understood that right, that'd have been a leave on the spot situation
Not even a discussion
More like a, "Fuck off" and instant gquit
warm plinth
So they might just randomly replace you one day with a trial dps
tender cove
¨"We have also decided to promote you all to raider rank as we believe you all got the potential to become the tanks we want to have for prog, we will trial tanks with DPS offspecs, just so you are all aware so don't get too comfortable 😛 We want you all to keep improving and show us what you are good for as everyone else ^^ We want to end up with the best 3 tanks with the best synergy"
thats the exact message
its from the tank only channel ^^
warm plinth
Peace out girl scouts
pallid quiver
You're not a valued member of the team
You're a tool to get them rewards they're not capable of getting
tender cove
Nah and they promoted me 2 weeks ago to raider. Because i do twice the dps off the other tanks xD
pallid quiver
so treat them the same and dump the shit out of them
modest gulch
I know, this is why im in my current guild.
when this expansion started I got giga-fucked by several guilds.
#1 , the guild didn't consider me "core" even tho they had no tanks and were clearing no content
#2, the guild didn't consider me a "member" so I wasn't eligible for loot.
in both circumstances I was incentivised to leave because even in a pug I have a better chance for loot.
never join "is pumping" btw
i pumped, but I got pumped
slim dove
rather just be guildless lmao
tender cove
You're not a valued member of the team
Nah, thats exactly how I feel tbh. I just didnt put it into thought but yeh, for sure. This is how i've felt last 2 raids. Expendable.
pallid quiver
I just wish I could have all whispers related to me joining guilds be automatically forwarded to my blocklist
I'll look for a guild I give a shit about if I ever care to join one again
modest gulch
rather just be guildless lmao
mein kamph
pallid quiver
which i don't
Hell, if I could be assed, I'd get guild signatures just to make my own 1 person guild
quiet monolith
You don't really need a guild for anything up to heroic raz
modest gulch
100% agree, Rye
pallid quiver
Dathea/Brood can be gambling in pugs, tho
quiet monolith
It's really not that hard to pug any of it, especially with raider Io and stuff
tender cove
I'll _look_ for a guild I give a shit about if I ever care to join one again
For me. Raiding is the absolute most fun, i just love it. Its relaxed, its consistent, its parsing and often its a big group of jokers and endless banter. I love that shit.
M+ i only do because I like to push myself and keys work wonders.
But its always raiding team that is impossible to get into decent ones unless you are on like sense level...
Because any guild that need tanks? 99% not stable and not progressing.
So you have to play dps for entire tier
slim dove
eggnog and council are easy to pug.
tender quartz
Even if so, just join Guildruns
slim dove
on mythic
tender quartz
There's tons of them in the finder.
quiet monolith
I've never seen a mythic to join on my server
tender quartz
I meant regarding Heroic, sorry
quiet monolith
And I pug almost all my heroics
tender quartz
Mythic just wait for Crossrealj
slim dove
either be on sarg/tich/illidan or wait for crossrealm
tender quartz
Im not fully reading your guys convo btw just in case i mixed somethin gup
slim dove
but mythic council and eggnog are easier then heroic raz
quiet monolith
My little guild of homies that have been together over 10 years through different games just did our first guild only 11 person heroic clear up to dathea
And a majority of parses are grey
I like this expansion much more than shadowlands
It feels like you don't really need to be parse chasing a dps check to do the stuff
mighty valley
vibes > all
if you're all aligned on what you want and having a good time, all else is secondary
last mason
can touch of anguish on the first few packs in sbg go o nthe tank
the one that reduces your max hp by 50%
modest gulch
someone needs to make a video that I am not qualified to make, titled, "the real meta" where all of the bullshit wowhead advice and all of the shit icyveins talen bulds just get blown the fuck out. There actually is only one right answer but people seem to be too nice to just say it.
you have to come on here with a warcraftlogs post to get the truth
tender cove
How much will this dictate me finding a guild?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ragnaros/krigartomten#difficulty=4
I know its not great but like, what are guilds expecting nowadays?
Are they even looking at that? Or is it about my defensive use, rage economy and so on?
modest gulch
delete it if you can
void marten
How much will this dictate me finding a guild?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/char...
as long as you dont die nobody cares about what you do, your dps and class is the only thing that matter
tender cove
as long as you dont die nobody cares about what you do, your dps and class is th...
even for mythic guilds?
quiet monolith
Problem with tanks is all pugs need and want you and all guilds already have them
void marten
as a late CE guild leader, when someone apply most of the time i only care for their class and parses
but almost every mythic guild that is worth their salt has 2 core players on tanks
modest gulch
mythic guilds are more critical. Never retain a log for failures unless its for personal improvement. It's like the difference between a Journal and a Resume.
tender cove
I'm not expecting or gonna apply to some 7/8 guild but i havent applied to guild in ages. Even this one was just after an m+ run because the GM was swedish and we talked about raiding.
But i dont want to join some 7/8 heroic guild either 😛
void marten
especially right now
best time to find a guild as a tank is at the end of tiers
when player shuffles are happening after getting CE/disbanding etc.
tender cove
So im pretty much doomed to play fury and pray the tank is away so I can show myself?
modest gulch
I couldn't find shit as a 2200 blood dk in S3 or S4 or shadownlands
void marten
90% yes, you can reroll blood dk and try to snatch a spot in dathea progress
grand saddle
unstable frostfire belt is prio right