protection

[tender cove]

not sure why you feel the need to argue this to the point you're making shit up

[round pendant]

figure it out

[high drum]

what

you said you never wanna wall outside of dstance

[steel mauve]

take it to dm's

[high drum]

cos if you need one you need both

[round pendant]

that weapon is poggers

[high drum]

I'm explaining why that isn't the case

[naive panther]

yeah hard to pass up weapon

[tender cove]

no? I asked a macro question and asked what the drawbacks would be. Thats it. rest of this nonsense is you being high or smt

[naive panther]

so i'll need to catalyze something this week to get 4 piece

really didn't want to catalyze m y421 chest cause it's haste crit

[pallid quiver]

and we answered, and you just kept insisting, so like

[round pendant]

Drawbacks: You go into def stance

that's enough of a drawback

[pallid quiver]

go ahead and do it

[bitter tiger]

Might be a stupid question but when tanking bird boss academy any insight how to dodge the peck better.

[pallid quiver]

dodge?

[sand mason]

you can catalyst any M+ and upgrade with valor to 415 before/after catalyst

[high drum]

you cant avoid peck anymore

[tender cove]

I asked a follow up question because im in here to learn things?

[bitter tiger]

Copy so healer proves

Problems

[high drum]

well use stuff to help

[bitter tiger]

I was

[high drum]

but you cant parry or dodge it anymore

[pallid quiver]

We gave legit scenarios you would want only SW in, and you just said they don't make sense and dismissed them, so

[bitter tiger]

I was using everything and still dying

[pallid quiver]

Like, do what you want

[naive panther]

weapon is only 3 ilvl gain compared to how big some of the others, but pretty sure i won't see that again

[weary python]

Thoughts on Storm eater's boon if I already have Whetstone, Manic Gireftorch, Decoration of Flame?

[scenic mural]

Dont run it

[tender cove]

The scenario was grief wall, which would not be enough to cover it and if you cant use them for all (if it procs) is it something you really need wall for. Why is that such a weird follow up question?

[tulip kelp]

If you M+ I’d use it over a lot of those

[weary python]

Can you block while using it?

[high drum]

yea

[tulip kelp]

Yes, just can’t move

[weary python]

It's either that, or a 20ilevel upgrade on tier.

[high drum]

but u might need to use a wall if ur in an aoe by mistake

[foggy ruin]

anyones avatar weakaura broken only on prot?

[high drum]

run it by freakadin

might tell you to go dstance during instead

[tulip kelp]

I mean you can always break it with avatar

[steel mauve]

the avatar weakaura i made myself works fine

[deep spruce]

U sure about that?

[pallid quiver]

Avatar doesn't break the Boon

[deep spruce]

Yeah I'm sure that's fake news

[tulip kelp]

Ahh thought it did mb

Still waiting on mine

[deep spruce]

It's a bait

I'd be taking that 20 ilvl all day, trinkets u have sound good

[knotty stump]

Am I going crazy or have I always had to spend points just to get defensive and battle stance?

[proud dock]

anybody notice some in game setttings reset? seems like server side player settings save are messed up?

[high drum]

depends on the spec but yea

some specs have to put points for dstance

[pallid quiver]

i also have to spend points to get into d stance

this is

uh oh

real prot nerf hours

[knotty stump]

I can't get down to both Thunderous words and Unstoppable Force anymore

[torpid fiber]

god they really screwed the pooch with the new spark quest

[young rivet]

mine stuck at 98% lol

[pallid quiver]

Hmmmmmm

[digital frigate]

How so?

[delicate depot]

Can someone help me with vault selection?

[torpid fiber]

a million goons swarming around immediately kill the elites you need to drain

[pallid quiver]

2/1 points into d stance

let's go

[delicate depot]

hahaha

[tender cove]

Do you have 30% now? :p

[knotty stump]

That's what mine looks like. I can't even get to avatar

[slim dove]

just a bug

reset your talents.

[pallid quiver]

Yep, reset your talents

The game's not properly giving you the points for the stances,

Hence why you can't get to your lower talents

[knotty stump]

Ok, I went to fury and then back to defensive, that did it.

thanks

[woven trellis]

https://gyazo.com/05a90dda9ff1c57cd2dbefc223fe2d07?token=94919e150561710a1346f925545e504d the F do i do

i already have 395 piece and fine 395 trinkets

what the F do i do

[slim dove]

husk

[tulip kelp]

What’s everyone using spark for this week?

[slim dove]

boots cuz unlucky.

[tulip kelp]

Feels like half my shit is gonna be crafted at this point

[mighty valley]

26 ilvl jump on chest seems like a pretty great vault?

why the stress

[tender cove]

is catalyst open this week? Is there currency or just 1 charge per week?

[tulip kelp]

I have 405 boots and 395 tier chest (405 in bags)… would you take 421 chest or boots from vault?

[slim dove]

1 charge per week.

[slim dove]

tier.

[tulip kelp]

I can’t CC the chest this week would have to keep it in bags for a week

[slim dove]

who cares

4 set isn't some giga gamebreaking shit for us

[tulip kelp]

I kinda want 4 set to try arms but guess it’s just another week

Feelsbad being a 2pc Andy still

[pallid quiver]

don't worry

[slim dove]

🤷

its 1 week

[pallid quiver]

i'm a 2pc andy even if i use catalyst!

[slim dove]

and this week kinda blows lmao bolstering is such a bore

[rough egret]

so i did it eventuelly 😄

[tulip kelp]

Damn on an 18 too lmao

Why punish yourself lol

[solar shadow]

this cant be worth the ilvl upgrade at one slot

the chance at an upgrade

[tender cove]

search "weekly" in lfg on a monday, they're filled with even ppl trying to get 16 done for vault

My 20 azure today was almost exactly 1 hour OVER time.

[atomic stirrup]

Did they nerf unstoppable force or something, why were required to respec it and avatar

[indigo hearth]

i have same doubt

[tulip kelp]

Would you guys take a 25 ilvl hit for 4p? Forgot I have normal legs in bags

[fading tide]

New patch change our talents?

[indigo hearth]

yep

[atomic stirrup]

or wait, did avatar get nerfed?

[indigo hearth]

brace impact got nerf

[indigo hearth]

i guess not

[foggy zodiac]

Just tried a 16 SMBG and got absolutely smashed. Holy hell.

[tender cove]

Void slash? :p

[vast quail]

whats your ilvl

[tulip kelp]

233

[fading tide]

Eww new m+ talents have us dropping bartering ram?

[foggy zodiac]

401

Yeah void slash, tried kiting and i just cant get enough rage to keep block up reliably

[sharp dock]

You can spell reflect or spell block it too.

[pallid quiver]

Talents didn't really change that much on our end, so

if you were grabbing battering ram you still should

[slim dove]

desync casts, rotate defensives, kite as last option.

[vast quail]

stun too

[foggy zodiac]

yeah I just wasnt having any luck. Going to drop it to a 5 and see how it goes.

cant wall every pack and it wont die in a shockwave/shield charge

grp was all KSM people.

[scenic mural]

Has anyone been able to get onto stormrage?

[tender cove]

there's only 3 packs with them in it? First pack, 4th and second last?
Rotate wall, spell reflect, spell block, storm bolt and shockwave.

and kite the last

[slim dove]

2 packs.

[errant lark]

All-Totem would be replacing a 392 ruby whelp trinket, is it worth to pick up at 408? the 411 shoulders would replace 389 shoulders and potentially give 4 piece, thinking catalysts will eventually get me tier pieces anyway so looking for advice if I should just go with trinket?

[slim dove]

first 2 then 3.

[tulip kelp]

I just take spell block for it

[tender cove]

my bad, was sure the last spider triple pack had one in it

[pallid quiver]

Totem's one of the best M+ trinkets overall, so

[slim dove]

use nothing first pack, stun 1 to desync

[pallid quiver]

But the shoulders are a decent ilvl, too, and give 4p, which is also good in M+

I'd reclear raid before grabbing anything

[slim dove]

second pack snap up patrol for JUICY aoe fest and blow everything you need to survive

[balmy canyon]

Does totem proc for us since we mostly block?

[slim dove]

yes

[tender cove]

you just need to taunt one from the ledge? Do you or dps do it? Cuz that first pack pulls once you get close or no?

[foggy zodiac]

I run spell block for ToJS but I havent needed it for SMBG yet. Ill give that a go

[slim dove]

i use shocking potion to pull them through floor.

[tender cove]

never even heard off until now 😮

[indigo hearth]

try to stun then before they cast void slash

[tender cove]

if they are desycned, does shockwave sync them back again?

[slim dove]

if both slashes try to que up while they are stunned ,yes.

[tulip kelp]

I mean is it end of world to kite after all your CDs are gone?

It’s that one pull in whole dungeon lol

[fading tide]

You guys keeping you talents the same? Wowhead got a much different build then what I was using

[sick sentinel]

legion time walk.... oh no... i hate legion

[pallid quiver]

I wasn't using the builds Llarold had, anyhow, so

yeah i'm still using the same build

[glacial ridge]

Just using Noms build which can be found in the pins

[pallid quiver]

The only thing I'd change about Llarold's build from the generic M+ build that I'm seeing is to swap off Barbaric for something

probably Int Shout

I personally also swap off pain and gain for more utility talents, but it's a fine choice

[tulip egret]

I have 415 maul from raid, 411 (12/13) set chest, and 402 windscar and 392 blazebinder hoof.. with my vault do i take the weapon, take the chest and catalyst it to 421 chest, or do I take trinket and replace blazebinder

[cinder storm]

I'd take deco

[wide dragon]

I have a deco of flame and an icon. current pants are currently 408. Its still torch though right?

[empty axle]

WINNING

[warm plinth]

yeah

[cinder storm]

But then again it's first boss and depends if you raid or pug

[tulip egret]

I have raid group, 3/8 mythic prob get 4/8 this week

[hardy snow]

[feral dune]

do we just use raidbots?

[tulip egret]

strike twice has 166 leech on it as well if thatmatters

[feral dune]

we don't have anything like questionably epic for healers do we?

[cinder storm]

Id say chest Jordo, check which raid boss drops chest

[heady solstice]

the fuck lmfao ?

[gritty swallow]

if i already have a 415 ilvl shield would i take a 421 shield with not great stats for the weights i have already over a significant ilvl increase in another slot?

like im leaning towards shield but wanted to get some input since i cant really just sim

[hardy snow]

ilvl on shield is way more important than secondaries

[dusk minnow]

you need engineering to be able to get the frostfire belt crafted right, only way to get the fiery souls?

[hardy snow]

on shield only ilvl matters

[gritty swallow]

yeah but the 6 ilvl difference on shield vs like 20 ilvl difference in another slot is the real question

[hardy snow]

you dont need engineering, you can get tools from ah to collect souls by yourself

[dusk minnow]

oh nice

[viral moth]

do you take fueled by violence now?

[hardy snow]

its up to your personal preference, only better shield than 421 you can get is one from mythic diurna, and if you have something else that can have 20 ilvl upgrade, I guess will be easily changeable with crafting from spark or valor upgrades

[deft hazel]

for 3 seconds int started raining in game and thundering then completely stopped wtf

[stable valve]

go 418 tier chest or 421 eranog ring?
have a heroic eranog ring and 408 tier chest atm

[hidden ether]

Avatar changed, but not sure how, there is nothing in the patch notes i saw for it

[hardy snow]

they usually dont post bugs in the patch notes 🙂

[runic cosmos]

btw has anyone noticed that genshii's ignore pain WA is like delayed now?

[sick sentinel]

What procs seal of diurna for us?

[fading tide]

Enduring alacrity is worth taking now?

[hardy snow]

mostly frostfire belt

[spring summit]

All totem any good for us?

[fluid shard]

Primal Whetstone or Howling Rune for raid?

already got ITF, i'm guessing haste loses value at one point?

[slim dove]

for m+, yes

[hybrid aurora]

logged in, all my action bars gone, nerf hit us that hard, eh?

[slim dove]

i told u to reroll didnt i

[pallid quiver]

Def Stance costs 2 points now, too, smh

[hardy snow]

or you can go buzzing rune

[radiant path]

How much ilvl is leech worth on a helmet? I know I saw something about that around the disc somewhere but I can't find it now

[frank hemlock]

not sure if gloves or trinket here

how good is whetstone for raid tbh?

[hardy snow]

none

[hidden ether]

Did they fix a bug or was it a bug that caused the talent to unlearn?

[hardy snow]

I have no idea, I'm not from US so I just hope they will fix most bugs after betatesting live in US 😐

[hidden ether]

RIP

[radiant path]

Really? I swear I saw a pinned message that had leech, socket, etc. and it = x amount of ilvl.

[proud dock]

421 ruby trinket or 421 cape? trinket has speed on it

[hardy snow]

do you see it pinned now? 😉 its not legion anymore, ilvl is the way to go, especially on gear with main stat

[radiant path]

I saw the message last week haha. But fair enough!

[hardy snow]

And as Blizzard prefers now making squishes, I dont think we will get back to ilvl inflation we had back in Legion

[young rivet]

what happened to the pin for that spellblock weakaura and what it can be used on?

[tranquil imp]

Boys, 408 diurna ring or 20 ilvls upgrade on legs? My rings are both 395ish and a I have the fire belt

[radiant path]

So I should go with a 418 helmet that can be turned into tier over my 411 tier helmet that has leech on it in the vault?

[warm plinth]

diurna ring meaning the ring from diurna or the one with diurna in the name

[tranquil imp]

in the name, seal of diurnas chosen

[warm plinth]

I'd take ring

[frank hemlock]

ring if you have belt

or the means to craft it

[tranquil imp]

I have belt ye

I also have the decoration of flame, read on wowhead that it procs the ring too

[frank hemlock]

everything that does fire damage procs it

[tranquil imp]

I'll go with the ring. Thanks!

[frank hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/NYBBm0G.png
really thinking if taking trinket is the play here

[radiant path]

Can you turn 418 gear into tier now or does it cap at 415?

[slim dove]

any fix for elvui yet

cba setting up bars on stock ui

[frank hemlock]

if you install the dev build it works

[slow fractal]

elvui just updated

[frank hemlock]

its on their github

or that

[slim dove]

like just now?

[slow fractal]

just got the prompt

[slender wedge]

how good is hunger of the pack for prote?

[slim dove]

its fine, stat stick.

nothing amazing but it'll hold you over until whetstone/all totem and icon.

[slim dove]

ty ty

[tulip kelp]

Long as it’s not crafted

[harsh trellis]

What the actual fuck is going on with the fucking talent builds

[slim dove]

bug, reset ur talents.

[harsh trellis]

Log in and no fucking buttons work at fuckin all

[sick sentinel]

fine for me, but why the fuck they de-talent me out of avatar and the one below it

[pallid quiver]

Reset talents and rebuild

When you first boot up, it thinks you need to still put points into D Stance and Battle Stance

so you end up having literally nothing in your trees

[tame solstice]

did the spell id of avatar change or something. All my WAs related to avatar broke, everything else is fine

[sick sentinel]

the new UI system seems to work well for alot of people

very little complaints about it other than just getting it to work

and each time i see another players screen, its a bit different

[harsh trellis]

SO reset all talents no addons still cant do shit

fucking small indie company

[pine hatch]

i think it might've it was off my bars when i got on and i can't sim i get invalid talents error(nvm i fixed that error by redoing every single talent tree like suggested a bit earlier)

[lusty narwhal]

do you ever choose Heavy Repercussions over into the fray in raids?

[fallen pulsar]

man, I got a whetstone and now my parses are popping off

have not gotten below a 96 in heroic tonight

[balmy narwhal]

Did they take avatar off?

[upbeat star]

Check you talents.

[harsh trellis]

Swap specs to fury and go back to Prot

[upbeat star]

408 Eye of Vengeful Hurricane or 405 Elemental Lariat?

[lament gulch]

Have they fixed the BSV bug yet?

[proud dock]

anyone know how people are making raz transparent/translucent?

[inner rock]

strike twice sims so bad 😦

[mighty valley]

compared to what?

[inner rock]

crafted 1her

[mighty valley]

same ilvl? same enchant?

[inner rock]

higher ilvl, same enchant

its an improvement, but not a ton, even at a 10 ilvl difference

[balmy narwhal]

Can we craft tier pieces now?

[mighty valley]

link the sim? the strike twice proc isn't worth much but 10 ilvls on a weapon should be decent

[cinder storm]

Unrelated but, anyone know how to fix this error? 4x [ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN] AddOn 'WeakAuras' tried to call the protected function 'UseAction()'.
[stri

[inner rock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pVNQLwVFkNREMeJafirFV

[cinder storm]

have to reload and cant fly or use abilities when I get it

[mighty valley]

dog that's a 2% increase from one item

that's pretty good

[inner rock]

i mean, the alt is 1 and 1/2 reset old

but are you saying in the long run its better than taking the trinket?

[mighty valley]

which trinket is that again

[inner rock]

terros

(rumbling ruby)

the swords 415, the rubys just heroic

[mighty valley]

i'd absolutely take sword over ruby

[harsh trellis]

damage on prot feels like it went to shit ...

[slim dove]

yeah prots dead reroll brm

[mighty valley]

they literally didn't change damage

[warm plinth]

Yeah literally nothing changed about our damage lol

[slim dove]

[slender wedge]

which option you choose to sim for m+? cleave add - dungeon slice - patchwerk x targets?

[vivid lantern]

Random question, but how does Warcraft logs deal with Spell Reflection damage. It's like it is removed from the logs. Only thing I can see is on my NO key is that Balakar Khan cast Conductive Strike on himself for 3.82M. Details shows Spell Reflection dmg though.

[warm plinth]

patchwerk 1 target and patchwerk 5 targets

[warm plinth]

It is recorded as damage the mob does to itself, which is what it is.

Details just records it as yours so you can see your pad

(it's not pad; I'm just memeing)

[void marten]

it's called spell reflect dawg, not capture the spell and cast it back

[inner rock]

I'm trying to understand the rationale for this, given it doesn't sim as much of an increase -- is it that whetstone/spiteful are just so superior, where the sword doesn't have that?

[void marten]

upgrading trinkets with valor is easier

[mighty valley]

yeah, you're hoping to get one of the better trinkets over a heroic ruby

[void marten]

there are much better trinkets

and strike twice is bis

[warm plinth]

Don't sim dungeon slice

We do not have an APL for dungeon slice; it's garbage to sim it

[void marten]

however i would take something else if there's a 3rd decent option

and craft the sword

[inner rock]

i already have a crafted 405 sword

that is good to know ghash

what do i sim then -- hectic cleave?

[warm plinth]

No, just patchwerk 1 target and patchwerk 5 targets for ~3 mins

[void marten]

what do you want to simulate? a mythic+ dungeon?

[warm plinth]

and make a decision based on that

[void marten]

the recommendation is 3 min single target, 1.5 min 5 targets patchwerk

and take the average

[slender wedge]

Blazebinder hoof or ruby whelp shell

[warm plinth]

Are you raiding or doing keys mostly?

[slender wedge]

keys

[warm plinth]

Hoof

Whelp shell is broken rn and vastly underperforms in keys. Who knows when it'll get fixed

[slender wedge]

broken for st?

[inner rock]

Burgeoning is just not a good trinket? (I'm guessing the proc rate must be trash, as the on-use cd seems nice)

[warm plinth]

It's broken period. But the bug impacts keys more than raid

For some reason the proc rate is giga low for the first ~minute of combat

So it procs like half as much as it should in keys

since you're constantly starting/stopping combat

[void marten]

it's a shit trinket

[warm plinth]

In raid it's less impacted because you're fighting one thing for an extended period

[woven trellis]

so

ive been thinking for 1h now, what should i use with my 2 left spark and my concentrated infus https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/turmult

is the 418 alche trinket worth it if u have 395 boon and icon

hm

[inner rock]

appreciate it @warm plinth and @void marten , simming dslice definitely seems to have been a huge mistake

[rocky copper]

is it required/possible to have 100% shield block update or is it fine when it drops off?

[void marten]

frostfire belt and elemental lariat

[woven trellis]

its not required if no monster is hitting u

[prisma crane]

its easily doable and extremely recommended

[woven trellis]

im a bit bummed down by frostfire belt stats

[sacred remnant]

what are my talents reset, did they change somethign in the warr tree?

[woven trellis]

is it that good

[void marten]

it's not amazing, but you need it if you get raid rings

eranog ring is bis

[slim dove]

for prot, no. just a bug.

[sacred remnant]

i had 2 extra point sfor warr side

prot was full

[slim dove]

nothing changed in prot side to give us extra talents.

[rocky copper]

do you keep ignore pain also up 100% of the time?

[warm plinth]

No, that's not possible

[rocky copper]

alright so only shieldblock I guess

[cedar trench]

god i love reset day

[rocky copper]

did a +16 for vault with 353 gs as prot and if I didnt accidently ninja pulled have the dungeon I would have timed it xd

[warm plinth]

For anyone wanting more basic information, we have a wonderful guide written by Mwahi who is the cutest TC in WoW over on icy-veins. Strongly recommend reading it, 10/10

[void marten]

if i get a mythic eranog ring from vault i'll play bloodborne

let's go

[warm plinth]

why would you do that

[solid vortex]

Is there any data on how much damage the frostfire belt is if you have the mythic fire proc ring? Worth dropping fang on weapon I would assume?

[broken crag]

i have the 424 tier helm in my vault, but is infurious just better?

i don't have any of the fire rings

so i haven't made the frostfire belt either

[next plaza]

How good is the ring off diurna at 418 over better secondary rings if I have the belt and sources of fire.... like really good ya?>

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, it's a free effect. Defensively it would be better than a same ilevel ring

[frank saddle]

anyone know if you can kite the battleaxes' severing slash in Academy?

[broken crag]

yes

[earnest nymph]

does anyone know if a 418 darkmoon deck box: watcher is any good? it's a 115k absorb and 2k vers on a 1.5m CD

[broken crag]

424 tier helm, or just get craft infurious?

[atomic stirrup]

has anyone tested how good the jewelcrafter trinket is if you have like tons of sockets on your gear for warrior

if it starts becoming good like it does for other classes

[atomic stirrup]

As well has it been tested or not if its worth to use the 418 frostfire belt with the 2 fire rings from vault

or is it better to just use the 424 belt from brood

[limpid pawn]

ruby life pools path?

for high keys?

[broken crag]

424 helm is super tempting, but i don't want to regret it if crafted is just better

[limpid pawn]

i have frostfire belt with 2 fire rings from raid

[warm plinth]

Not really a path in RLP. It's linear

You skip fire dragon and kill everything else basically

[limpid pawn]

its just mediocre, in raid the fire ring does like 2% of my damage

[atomic stirrup]

what about the aborb @limpid pawn

[frank saddle]

can you elaborate, im running around in a normal and its not possible

[atomic stirrup]

absorb*

[warm plinth]

How is a free 2% damage mediocre

[slim dove]

2% free dmg is amazing

literally cobalt with actual secondary stats

[proud glen]

so im 401 and really taking good hit but maybe is its the week but damm

[atomic stirrup]

so is frostfire belt, just the best belt?

techincally

[broken crag]

if i back off while it's casting, it doesn't apply on me

[frank saddle]

you probably parried it

turn your back to it you'll get hit

[broken crag]

you're saying it's ranged?

can't outrange it?

[frank saddle]

it has 40 yards range on tooltip lol

[broken crag]

ah

maybe then

well definitely then lol

[warm plinth]

You can stop it

and it won't recast

if you mean the severing slash thing from the battleaxes

Just stun/fear/whatever it and it'll go on CD

[undone verge]

I dont know if im happy or sad I got a 421 weapon in the vault

like more damage, but I had a ton of better upgrades

I coulda got

[wanton cave]

checking my vault, this are my options which one would be bigger?

[warm plinth]

mmm, how high of keys do you do?

[wanton cave]

14-15 atm

wanting to push more

[warm plinth]

what's your score?

[wanton cave]

2044

[rose mason]

The rest of the vault is not an upgrade for me but i've never looked at this trinket. is it worth over 2 gemslots? perhaps for jade tempel. Thanks!

(protection)

[grim grotto]

i would not take the weapon. take the set item. you will get weapons from m+, but not set . and u can only craft 1 this week

[warm plinth]

Think I'd probably take the set item and craft a weaopn

With infusion you can get a 405 weapon

[warm plinth]

That trinket is poopy

[wanton cave]

i do have raid finder chest/gloves also, only got em today

[topaz raptor]

im thinking this sword is best for me? what do u guys think. I have 392 Primal Molten Longsword https://i.imgur.com/LXUm038.png

[rose mason]

What i figured the sockets be nice with my lariat

[warm plinth]

You can just buy sockets for your lariat though 👀

like, with gold

[rose mason]

Yeh I have them on my lariat itself :p i meant on other pieces, that will work with my lariat

[warm plinth]

What key levels do you do and what's your score?

[warm plinth]

Oh, well, just so you know, having more than one socket doesn't do anything for lariat. As long as you have one non-primary stat gem, you already got the full effect.

The proc doesn't increase or anything with more gems

[rose mason]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cmon-gif-23777104

that sucks

[warm plinth]

Not that sockets are bad in the general sense though anyway

that gif is wonderful

[last mason]

Crafting orders down for u guys?

Still

[sand mason]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vxE2gSzY1UoBFMnZehskjo can this be true?

I figured Hoof + Idol woulda been more than a 3 ilvl upgrade on my wep?

[topaz raptor]

this is my armory. im 1579 do like 12/13 rn https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/gsc

[tulip egret]

best phial for raid?

and also I have 30% haste with haste food, so should I use whetstone to sharpen my blade or buzzing rune for crit rating? thoughts?

[warm plinth]

Yes, it can be true. Also congrats on the last weapon you're gonna need this season lol

[sand mason]

BiS ah?

[warm plinth]

yes

[sand mason]

Replacing my 418 crafted. Feels bad. I wanted to replace this 402 ruby.

[warm plinth]

Yeah honestly I'd have a tough time making that choice too. 421 hooves is pretty damn good

[lusty narwhal]

Do you guys stay def stance for mythic terros?

[warm plinth]

More haste more haste

[tulip egret]

Go above the 30%?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Is that all from rating, btw? Just curious.

[earnest nymph]

just want to put this back out there, does anyone know if the 418 darkmoon deck: watcher is any good for us? it seems kinda good:

[warm plinth]

how much raitng do you have

[warm plinth]

rating

[tulip egret]

Okay does thatmean I should keep taking into the fray? uh im kinda new to end game stuff what do you mean by rating like my io?

[warm plinth]

Haste rating, though you kinda answered my question already

Diminishing returns on stats don't kick in until you've reached 30% from rating

Things like Into the Fray do not give rating. They give flat percent, so they don't count.

[tulip egret]

I'm ilvl 411, so I can take into the fray and howling rune to continue to boost haste since its not against the rating?

[slim dove]

? howling rune gives rating.

[tulip egret]

Oh dur

[warm plinth]

Okay so

You should not be using ItF, if ou're doing keys

[tulip egret]

Anything with a regular ## counts towards rating, anything with % doesn't.

[sand mason]

where is the start of the catalyst quest?

[thin cedar]

I use ITF and do keys.. many people do.. it’s very popular

[digital frigate]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=WoW+Revival+Catalyst+Quest

[slim dove]

seat of the aspects. Up top by the aspects.

[sand mason]

tyy

[cursive hill]

where do you find this page?

[cinder nova]

Why the fuck are my parses being red-marked and discounted

[gaunt epoch]

blood and thunder capped?

[cinder nova]

what

[warm plinth]

Says it is in the tooltip

[gaunt epoch]

stealth nerf

[warm plinth]

It's not a stealth nerf

It's always had a cap

[gaunt epoch]

oh hmm

[slim dove]

skovald rp ruined instead of just adding 19 seconds to timer

gg

[gaunt epoch]

our prot war has never read a tooltip i guess

[slim dove]

im out

[warm plinth]

That's...likely unfortunately

[warm plinth]

Yeah now it's just gonna sound stupid

[slim dove]

that voice actor spent time and energy

perfecting that NOOOO

and its gone forever

[warm plinth]

"perfecting" LUL

[slim dove]

its PERFECT

[edgy roost]

Do you guys like ruby welp shell these days? What do you train it on?

[sharp pasture]

Do any of you guys actually use Bolster by the way? Seeing it in the recommended raid build but I don't really need help with SB uptime even with into the fray and spell block tends to be more useful in my opinion.

That or just take the passive damage from tough as nails

[candid storm]

quick vault question - have pants for 4 pc and also both of the rare rings dropped. any recommendations on what would be the best pick for prot warriors

[scenic tusk]

Is prot considered fast apm wise?

[thorn rune]

So does Disrupting shout replace/modify challenging shout?

[grim glen]

You press things every global and semi-spam an oGCD spell. So I’d say yes? We also stack haste and that reduced the GCD

[astral crystal]

I’m gonna miss the way odyn said his name with mock and derision

[agile elbow]

Hmm. I have 2 talents in the left tree available for some reason now after logging in. Reloading and swapping to another spec doesn't seem to change anything. Weird.

[slender wedge]

should i just use the last spark on

something i have low?

[toxic pewter]

Yeah thats basically what I did

cant really go wrong at this point

[ember cradle]

How good is All-totem? M+ perspective

[slim dove]

very good.

[warm plinth]

It's in the top 5 APM specs

[agile elbow]

Which build in the pins are we going for now? This tree fuckery and 2 points done screwed errything up.

[scenic tusk]

Would you be able to show me that list?

I am looking to swap to something a little slower maybe, my arms and wrists get sore lol

[jade trench]

There are way around your wrists getting sore if you have a logitech G series keyboard. Not endorsing anything other than hand health. Tooooootally not I thing I'd ever do.

[scenic tusk]

Ty. Prot is fast as hell wtf no wonder I get tired

[digital frigate]

Evoker gameplay has been uber relaxing for me.

[raw sun]

should i take a 402 decoration of flame or 415 enduring scale from my vault? i have a 411 blazebinders hoof and a 392 whelp shell and i primarily tank keys if that matters

[digital frigate]

I have the same issue.

[warm plinth]

What tree fuckery? Nothing even changed for us.

[warm plinth]

decoration

[raw sun]

thats kinda where i was leaning so im blad the instinct was correct

[warm plinth]

Make sure to use it on CD

[raw sun]

glad*

[agile elbow]

@warm plinth Exactly, but when I logged in my left side tree had 2 talents that needed to be input in all of my loadouts and my bars were all fucky.

[warm plinth]

Yeah pretty sure that was just a bug. Nothing actually changed.

Like someone earlier posted a pic of them having Avatar missing but still had Unstoppable Force learned

just normal patch buggy shit

[candid storm]

how important is the 4 pc for prot warriors over the rings from raid ?

[mental jewel]

Decoration is too good not to take in that situation.

[raw sun]

agreed

[warm plinth]

Decoration is alright. It's not great but it's definitely better than scale

[warm plinth]

Why would you have to make a decision between 4pc and rings?

[candid storm]

Currently have 3pc and got the last tier piece and the 2 rings from the great vault

[ember cradle]

catalyst came out today you can just convert 1 piece if you havent

[mental jewel]

You can do it 6 times per character but once a week if I read correctly/

[candid storm]

Ah perfect thanks

[warm plinth]

1 quest. Progress and completion are account wide. On completion, you get 1 charge of catalyst on every toon, existing and future. You can have up to 6 charges stored at once but cannot obtain more than 1 charge per week.

[compact jackal]

Who wants to laugh at my vault today?

I had the following choices

421 chest, 421 chest, 421 chest.

[warm plinth]

Did you choose a 421 chest

[tall jungle]

The servers are up?

[compact jackal]

from 415 to 421, yup

[warm plinth]

Not for EU, no

[tall jungle]

oh

[earnest nymph]

man

[warm plinth]

we're NA

[tall jungle]

......

[earnest nymph]

the nerfs are indeed noticeable

[warm plinth]

I kinda doubt that

[earnest nymph]

20 fort bolstering NO was a near permanent d stance angle

[warm plinth]

Fortified always feels rough after a week of trash that falls over.

[earnest nymph]

this was noticeably worse than last fort week

and I'm talking about before things bolstered

bolstering was fun by itself haha

[jade trench]

As long as its not sanguine IDGAF

[earnest nymph]

right but again just saying things definitely felt like they hurt more

and I picked up 2pc today too

[jade trench]

Can you imagine the last pack in TJS this week though, ohhh my lawd

[warm plinth]

So you got 2pc and you played perma defensive stance and you're saying it still felt worse

?

Because that would cancel out the nerf and then some

[jade trench]

Yea but you barely use revenge more until you get 4pc. You need the extra IP to free up the rage to revenge every 5 seconds.

[earnest nymph]

no I'm saying I felt like I had to play perma dstance where I didn't before

and that's after picking up 2pc

[foggy ruin]

do bosses bolster?

[warm plinth]

Tier set does not change your gameplay at all

No they do not

[earnest nymph]

I know it doesn't change the gameplay

[warm plinth]

I was talking to Bevo

[earnest nymph]

it does change tankiness though

[jade trench]

If you drag a mob into them, yea. Otehrwise no

[digital frigate]

I really like the interaction of 4 piece with ip and revenge.

[earnest nymph]

ahh my b

[warm plinth]

Bosses do not bolster. You can pull trash on to them

[digital frigate]

To my understanding, my priority is still keeping SB up, right?

[warm plinth]

Literally nothing changes from 0pc to 4pc

[foggy ruin]

ty

[warm plinth]

You play the exact same way

Pretend it doesn't exist and enjoy the free damage and survivability

[digital frigate]

The only difference is whether you put rage into execute or into revenge for Vanguard

during executue phase

[warm plinth]

You don't revenge during execute

You still just execute

[warm plinth]

That is outdated information

[turbid shuttle]

it used to bolster in shadowlands

[warm plinth]

They changed bosses to not get bolstered in Shadowlands

[turbid shuttle]

they changed it

[earnest nymph]

very outdated

[jade trench]

yea fair haha

[tender cove]

Couldnt sleep and woke up and was like, lets go check vault... Maintined extended for 7 more hours than usual xD

[digital frigate]

Good maintenance

[tender cove]

how long did it take for NA?

[digital frigate]

Go play some pokemon and sleep

I heard they got pushed back a few times.

[warm plinth]

Originally was supposed to be 7am-3pm, ended up being 7am to a little past 4 I think

[wispy canopy]

eu up

[warm plinth]

We got pushed back twice but the second hour pushback ended up being like 6 minutes

[digital frigate]

I think still down.

World Server probably

[tender cove]

i get realm incompatible

which means we need to update

yup after force exiting b.net updater service

it ran an update

[modest gulch]

any advice for when you're trying to tank as hard as you fucking can but nothing works and you fucking die and your cooldowns are shit and you just fail as hard as possible

aotc + 2300 io btw

[tender cove]

Find out what went wrong and do it better next time

Bur generally, in the moment? just leg it, kite your last breath out

[warm plinth]

Post logs and let us tell you where you messed up

[jade trench]

You eventually have to kite more

[light moth]

WHAT WOULD BE BETTER?

[thin cedar]

What’s this weeks spark quest???

[modest gulch]

chest imo

[warm plinth]

Weapon

[tender cove]

I was also gonna say wep, the chest is only upgrading a tier he already has right?

[modest gulch]

+3 vs +13

[warm plinth]

Can convert a chest, 421 weapon doesn't come around ever if you aren't raiding, which he clearly isn't

[modest gulch]

come on bro

does he have a chest to conver tho

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter

[modest gulch]

answer is probably not

[warm plinth]

4pc is not a gamebreaking bonus and he already has 2pc

Even if he has to wait a week, still weapon

[modest gulch]

+3 vs +13

that is TOUGH to argue

[warm plinth]

It's a weapon.

It's not tough at all

Easiest choice of my life

[modest gulch]

overall ilvl updates?

[warm plinth]

I don't care about overall ilevel when a weapon or a shield is involved.

[modest gulch]

ok ok, I yield

[warm plinth]

And neither should you

[modest gulch]

I yield I yield

[tender cove]

ive been in arms spec since s1. I have seen exactly 1x 2haded wep from all my looting

in saying that, watch me open vault with a beefe 421 2hander xD

[warm plinth]

Do you want a 2h? lol

[tender cove]

nah, but trinkets

a 421 whetstone wouldnt hurt 😛

[warm plinth]

That would be sick

[light moth]

Okay thanks

[tender cove]

any actually get the update to work on EU?

mine just stalls or quits early.

spok to soon, finally smt downloaded. 2.6gig

im in

lerts goo vaulty

Interesting vault

First time ill have to do this cuz im not sure

its the fire absorb ring, shouldnt it be the dps one in arms?

[warm plinth]

There are only two rings in the raid

They both drop for everyone

[tender cove]

that or take those 421 and make tier

cuz i dont have hands

or take ring and make belt?

[west kayak]

Not sure what to spend my Spark on. I need better wrists but are the Eng. ones worth it for the Brez? Or just get the normal ones?

[unkempt imp]

best gems for lariat?

[tender cove]

but its not the absorb we want and you cant dual equip both right?

[warm plinth]

You can equip both

Both are fine. We just like the DPS one better

[tender cove]

same time? Do they proc off each other when it procs?

[warm plinth]

I imagine so, since damage one does fire damage. But obviously fire damage ring can't proc off shield ring since it's not doing fire damage

[tender cove]

What would you pick?

both ring and hands are 392 ilvl

im guessing ring since its super rare and already having one would be a good first step?

but getting 3pieces means ill get 4set today in raid if it drops

[warm plinth]

yeah ring is a good option. you have belt?

[tender cove]

I would need to craft fire belt, wouldnt i?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[tender cove]

but i have a spark saved for it.

and only using lariat intentionally for belt

[warm plinth]

You can always just wait til after raid

And see if you get tier piece

[tender cove]

yeh, its funny, me and another guildie spoke about this before going to bed. Not evening opening but waiting to pick after raid and a few m+

[amber ivy]

guys i saw seal of filial duty was bis for prot but what fire damage do we do to proc it?

[warm plinth]

Unstable Frostfire Belt

[amber ivy]

thats crafted?

[stoic pilot]

not prot related but any tips to quickly finding which add platform is spawning on mythic dathea?

seems like it's rng if I can find it fast enough before the add gets nuked

the lightning bolts dont seem like enough of a

[warm plinth]

yes

[tender cove]

what happens if i run say a 16 before i take vault. Will i still get the 19key from vault?

[dusk tulip]

Diurna ring worth on prot?

[fading isle]

How bad its this week for m+?

[oak echo]

you just ask the lady outside the bank for a key before you do anything

you don't have to take your vault for it

[tender cove]

orly:O

[oak echo]

yeah it's the "i seem to have misplaced my key" option or w/e the exact wording is

[tender cove]

i almost raged at you

until i realized i had logged over to pally

got a 9 and was all mad for a sec lmao

[lavish oracle]

We take fueled by violence over brutal vit now, right?

They seemed close before but now FBV seems like it should just be ahead

[rough egret]

well how lucky can I be....

open vault as arms so you can have the trinkets there

2x 2h 😄

[tender cove]

and boon 😛

[rough egret]

very sad 😄

is boon good for m+?

[sage lava]

open in fury if u want to get 1 handers too

[tender cove]

strongest trinket out there

now if you die half the time you use it? Thats another story xD

[woven trellis]

can you solo heroic brood as prot

[tender cove]

yes

[slim dove]

yup

[rough egret]

i will probably take bracers

altho they are vers mast

[heady gyro]

do you need the ring from raid to use the frostfire belt?

[rough egret]

actually crit mastery

[tender quartz]

I do have 411 Tier Shoulders, 402 Pants.
Vault gives me 424 Tier Shoulders, or 421 Mythic Pants.
I can 100% turn those pants to Tier tonight, makes more sense to pick em, right? Also they got Speed at least 🤷‍♂️

[rough egret]

or I take weapon for off spec that I will not use 😄

you have Broodkeeper on farm?

[tender quartz]

HC ya, Mythic just 3 if you mean me :D

[queen fulcrum]

I mean it's not 421 but hellooooooo

[rough egret]

yeah then take shoulders

you may not see them again

but legs you probably have more options

[tardy plaza]

Do you mean solo tank her MS debuff? Ive wondered this too because we have a pally mt and he get LUL trucked

[tender quartz]

424-411 is 13 Difference, 405 ( M+ pants ready in bag to turn into Tier ) instead of 421 Pants is 16 iLvL, but I can upgrade them slowly so more profit from 424 Shoulders eh?

also transmog D:

[lusty tiger]

anybody notice something weird w thunderclap after the update?

[rough egret]

is higher chance for you to get 421 legs from vault than 424 shoulders

but ill leave that up to you

[ornate portal]

so i got super shafted on my box, but i guess i have the opportunity to replace my allied wristguards if i wanted to, is the shield of the hearth any good? its not on the sticky it just says "tbd"

[tender cove]

where is the catalyst btw?

[inner halo]

Are any of the crafted trinkets any good for prot? I dont need spark for any other slot and my current trinkets are trash.

[lean gale]

Guys, can you help me :D? I already simmed the weapon and shoulders, and they are like 0.4% or so from another. What would you pick?

[solar mirage]

for hov r u guys still pulling to the dragon

or u splitting it into two pulls

[mortal brook]

Theres no better weapon, gratz

[delicate brook]

hey hey people I've got another stupid question

at what point is leech no longer worth it in m+?

[mortal brook]

Tyrhold. Grab quest from koranos at seat of the aspects

Would take something that has leech over something that doesnt, provided im not dropping ilvl. Its small trickle output thatll add up over the key. Is there an alternative here?

[rough egret]

what ench on weap you guys playin?

sopihc or frozen?

[mortal brook]

Nah send it. Just have them prio dragon

[lean gale]

So you would pick the weapon over the 424 Set piece :)? Atm i have a 418 weapon and 411 shoulders

[mortal brook]

Focus kick thundercallers

[solar mirage]

can u jump out of

the breath?

range it i mean

[warm plinth]

Leech is an incidental stat outside of talents. We don't put any thought into whether we have it or not. That being said, I do not believe that leech has a cap so the answer is that there is no point where it's no longer "worth it".

[mortal brook]

Both hard to replace, both very rare from their respective loot pools since shoulders are a proc. Would take the weapon personally since it exclusively drops from vault

[tender cove]

what flask for raiding? versa one?

[lean gale]

Thx for input mate

[delicate brook]

I'm having a hard time believing it's that simple

since there's enchants and so on

[warm plinth]

which give an almost insignificant amount of leech

[delicate brook]

and pretty sure there's a drop-off point for it no?

[grand saddle]

where are the notes of what they changed in our tree

[warm plinth]

You can't choose leech beyond talents and enchants so it's irrelevant

It's an incidental stat

[warm plinth]

wowhead has the full patch notes

[delicate brook]

you can make a decision between two items similar ilvl based off of how valuable leech is ._.

[warm plinth]

Sure but I'm going to choose based on the non-leech stats first

Leech doesn't come into the decision making process unless it's two identical items where one has leech and one doesn't.

[delicate brook]

as a healer you'd always want more leech back in sl but there was a dropoff number where you'd preffer avoidance, so I'm guessing as a tank there's also some math behind it in this xpac

[warm plinth]

Healers are the only role that have ever cared about leech

[delicate brook]

I somehow doubt that being the case

[lofty widget]

the math is, never sac ilvl for leech

[warm plinth]

Okay

[lofty widget]

it's that simple

[radiant pewter]

do we still pull all flowers/insects before tree boss in Academy

this week

[warm plinth]

Hey @ionic fern do we make decisions based on leech

[dull tulip]

This goes for any stat

[lofty widget]

sure, the small ones dont bolster

[lofty widget]

indeed. that's why gearing for tank is so easy

[dull tulip]

Not easy when all you’re getting is temple gear

(Crit mastery)

Feelsbad

[warm plinth]

If I'm wrong about leech, Mwahi will correct me. But I've said what I believe to be true and I'm tired of arguing with people in here so I'll just let him tell you one way or the other.

[dull tulip]

What did you say?

[tender cove]

do you also run decoreation with the fire rings?

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

also hi ily, sorry the ping was not my normal message

[delicate brook]

the way I see it it would be good to drop some ilvl on rings/neck for leech? the question is just how many is worth it if it is

[ionic fern]

How are you?

I finally leveled my DK from 50-70 yesterday.

[dull tulip]

Rings are only stats so it doesn’t matter that much

[warm plinth]

I'm wiped out today. Today has been super chaotic lol. But things have settled now

[ionic fern]

Work done?

[warm plinth]

I wish, but it's quiet at least now

[lean gale]

i saw the first +20 pug keys with "DK Tank only"

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

You going to play blood DK?

[ionic fern]

I'll try.

Just to have something different.

[warm plinth]

I've thought about it but I never end up having as much fun with blood as I think I will lol

[broken light]

what is the general opinion on azure vault seed trinket? i got 421 in vault

[warm plinth]

If I mess with another tank I think it'll be prot pal

[ionic fern]

Jeah.
I'm too used to warrior tbh.
I tanked a 16 HoV on my DH yesterday and was like "WHY DO I TAKE DAMAGE???????????"

[warm plinth]

I am of the opinion that it's stinky

[broken light]

it LOOKS so good tho :(

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, that and like...half the APM (feels like)

I just wanna press buttonssss

[ionic fern]

Use it. Don't let them hold you back!

[warm plinth]

Yeah you live your best fucking life Murt

Don't let me hold you back from living your dream

[ionic fern]

(But it's still bad).

[warm plinth]

[ionic fern]

NOT HIS LIFE.

The trinket.

[warm plinth]

lol

[unkempt imp]

what are best gems to use when using lariat?

[broken light]

butt its %50 uptime on 500 versa and 50k HP ;_;

[hushed cobalt]

is puzzlebox in m+ stinky? in combat is maybe sketch, unless you can block during the channel (which i dont think but i was blocking during it, it seemed 🤷‍♂️ )

[ionic fern]

Talking of work..
I got the most awesome letter yesterday from my company:
"Oh, you're a talent and you can join our special courses with limited seats!!!"

Me :Oh boy, that's great
Opens link to register
3500€

[warm plinth]

LOL

Apparently you're not THAT much of a talent

[ionic fern]

Je. 😂

[lofty widget]

help, where's my avatar

[ionic fern]

It's sketchy.

[oblique kayak]

talent referring to you available income XS

[ionic fern]

LOL

[warm plinth]

WHAT DID YOU DO WITH IT

[ionic fern]

WAIT

WAIT

WAIT

[lofty widget]

oh i cropped out the top

[warm plinth]

Do you have Avatar in your spellbook

out of curiosity

[lofty widget]

no sir, it also disappeared off my bars

[ionic fern]

Is it something to do with this "Avatar" change?

[dusk tulip]

i normally pop it pre pull and like get ready to shield charge as soon as the channel is done

[ionic fern]

Can you still pick it as a talent?

[limpid anchor]

Wait did we get the 10% reduction as well or what

[dull saddle]

I cannot for the life of drop the belt from HOV. I currently have embelishment on lariat + weapon. Considering dropping Fang Adornments for the frostfire belt (and eventually grab raid ring). Is this the play?

[ionic fern]

Can you take 1 talent point away from somewhere and put it to AvataR?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[lofty widget]

okaaay, i did that and i still cant cast avatar

not in my spellbook and /cast avatar didnt work

[dull saddle]

I had to reset my talent tree and re-spec everything to use avatar

[lean gale]

Hey Mwahi, what would you take? i have a crafted 418 weapon and 411 tier shoulders

[ionic fern]

LOL

[amber moth]

Did we get a stealth nerf? I checked wowhead and didn't see anything, and I felt like I took a bunch of damage from a 16RLP, and my vers is now only at 10%, despite getting an upgrade and more vers from the vault

[warm plinth]

This week is gonna be really fun for Skyhold

[limpid anchor]

Need more vers

[warm plinth]

You need 13.63% vers

exactly 13.63%

No more, no less

[ionic fern]

Fortified.

[limpid anchor]

And yes we did get nerfed

[ionic fern]

Is your answer.

[limpid anchor]

Not even stealth nerfed

[warm plinth]

But in all seriousness, it's fortified week. And your vers is what it should be because nothing changed about vers.

[amber moth]

More so then my last fortified +16, but maybe I'm just imagining it?

[ionic fern]

Probably.

[warm plinth]

Fortified always feels like shit when you've done a week of no trash affixes

Now we have fort AND bolstering

[amber moth]

alright.

[limpid anchor]

Does the terrors puddle after the big slam spawn on tanks?

[amber moth]

The bolstering is probably it, didn't think about that. I had a DK chain puling extra mobs into the pack as some started to die

thanks!

[warm plinth]

I would spank him

[ionic fern]

The mythic debuff? Yes.

[warm plinth]

Put him right over my knee

[amber moth]

please, go on

[limpid anchor]

Not the one were you need to cuddle. The yellow swirlies that spawn the puddle

[warm plinth]

What have I done

[limpid anchor]

Or are those mythic only as well

[tender cove]

do you also use decoration of flame + frostbelt for ring procs?

[ionic fern]

Don't..think so? Never paid any attentiont to it.

😂

[limpid anchor]

Mhm kk

[lean gale]

I dont use decoration of flame, it feels underwhelming as fuck. I use Frostfirebelt

[ionic fern]

Frostfire belt yes.

[tender cove]

so not both?

[ionic fern]

Idk, i use Decoration in keys.

[tender cove]

does trinket even proc rings?

[ionic fern]

f i r e damage.

[lean gale]

all fire dps can

[tender cove]

is there something else that can proc them or only those 2?

[limpid anchor]

did you know that solar flare does no fire damange ?

[lean gale]

The 2 RLP trinkets, the other raid trinket

[limpid anchor]

we had a druid picking the ring bcs he spams solarflare, but he never procs it in raid :>

[warm plinth]

If it says fire or any element that has fire in it (e.g. frostfire), it will proc the rings.

[amber moth]

ahh, found the issue. the patch messed up my gear, and I had two DPS rings on, instead of the tanking ones. Now I'm at 14% vers

[urban portal]

leech DRs super hard

thats why

[limpid anchor]

there are tanking rings?

[urban portal]

but leech contributes to HPS

avoidance doesnt

[tender cove]

the fire absorb ring or the cobalt absorb? or melandrus?

[ionic fern]

Take cobalt absorb ring into raid absorb ring.

[limpid anchor]

halp, is it wroth taking the 421 shoulders when i can get 424 from mythic vault?

hc grief would be the biggest dps increase

as i only have normal one

[ionic fern]

I'd take Grief.

Cause i won't be getting that from raid.

[lean gale]

i would take it aswell. But only bc in my raid i will never get the trinket 😄

[amber moth]

ones with good vers/haste instead of crit

[tender cove]

why not?

[ionic fern]

Because i'm a tank?

[tender cove]

haste/crit masterrace bro

[tender cove]

and?

[amber moth]

I'd like to at least get some basic vers before going more DPS, lol

[ionic fern]

So loot council prioritises DPS'ers?

[amber moth]

I have heroic grief, but got it as a DPS

[tender cove]

Its the same dps on any class? And the argument can be made for more uptime on tanks who will rarely die, producing more overall dps on a tank

[ionic fern]

That's a bull argument.

We just made that up as tanks to make ourselves feel better.

[tender cove]

Thats what nom told me when I asked about it.

[ionic fern]

Jeah.
But giving that argument to any LC will just get you laughs.

[limpid anchor]

but you cant block during the cast

[tender cove]

i have the normal but it barely sims higher on st, like 30 more dps. so want the heroic one xD

[limpid anchor]

and you might get onetapped by terrors when you use it with 4 stacks

[mint terrace]

what do you think about the nerf prot warrior got?

[tender cove]

reroll

[amber moth]

Main warrior is classic! never reroll!

[ionic fern]

2nd pin.

[oak quarry]

did we get stealth nerfed ? any details pls ?

[lean gale]

Look patch notes :D?

[ionic fern]

Idk, haven't logged in. Not that i know of.

The curse of Tyrannical into Fortified with patch releases.

[pallid quiver]

If you don't reset your talents, Def Stance and Battle Stance cost points to take

so there's that

[tough inlet]

Only Avatar was reset in my skill tree.
Should I do a general reset then?!

[limpid anchor]

yes

[pallid quiver]

probably

just in case

[foggy drift]

Is the dragon games equipment trink any good?

[opaque oak]

How is gieftorch in m+?

[dry spear]

boots are ok i guess

[opaque oak]

https://gyazo.com/68fc370d45a42991f3fc06a5ceaab274

grief sims highest, dont know how grief is in M+

[bleak skiff]

Anyone has the problem with action bars since new patch is live ?

Im using elvui, all my action bars are gone

[harsh spruce]

How’s the nerf feeling guys?

[amber siren]

🤷 can barely tell there was a change

[lean prism]

update it to the latest version

it fixed my issue

[bleak skiff]

Oh okay will do that then, thanks !

[warm plinth]

It's alright. Most find it annoying to use.

[foggy drift]

Would a 415 be better than a 398 whelp?

[amber siren]

A 415 what?

[wild kayak]

just a 415

[foggy drift]

Dragon games equipment

[wild kayak]

what dont you get

[amber siren]

[foggy drift]

If you read the message above mine

You would see what the 415 item was

[warm plinth]

He asked in context guys...read the whole conversation

[amber siren]

Yeah I didn't see that

[wild kayak]

me warrior me no read

[warm plinth]

I would take a 415 DGE over 398 RWS, yes

[foggy drift]

Cheers

[warm plinth]

Just get in the habit of doing your little dance to pick up your orbs. I have it on my war and it's not that bad

[foggy drift]

Yeah I’ve used it before on another toon

Easy done

[warm plinth]

do a little dance, do a little dam, get down tonight

no? ok

[fallen pulsar]

Whetstone is so huge for damage

[warm plinth]

It blesses you with big dam

[fallen pulsar]

Pumping like crazy today after getting one in my vault

[ionic fern]

I'm going to get a 450 Grief from my vault today.

I can feel it.

[fallen pulsar]

Same

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[fallen pulsar]

Believe in you mwahi

[warm plinth]

Mwahi already playing next tier

[fallen pulsar]

Mwahi clears +40 m+

So his vault is yuge

[ionic fern]

^

Ya'll just playing the easy keys.

Blizz has to pay Raider.io to not show my +40 keys on their site to avoid everyone feeling bad about themselves.

[warm plinth]

That's why my priest's keys don't show up either

[opaque oak]

How do you play around grieftorch in m+?:P

[warm plinth]

He's a mystery

[fallen pulsar]

Did 83k dps in agelthar 18 with whetstone

[warm plinth]

Cloaked in shadow

[ionic fern]

With 1 easy macro:

/say EXTERNAL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/Use Grieftorch

[opaque oak]

xDDD

[static aspen]

You should change /say to /yell

[ionic fern]

True.

[errant cipher]

should i make a shield upgrade or get a new MH or vise versa

[modern crypt]

Guys i am 405 ilvl now but got shit ilvl trinkets, would you switch one of these?

[ionic fern]

[fallen pulsar]

Burgeoning is pretty sad tier

[opaque oak]

Igot speed on my grief torch

[fallen pulsar]

But I would sim it

[opaque oak]

so my dwarf is now gigafast

[ionic fern]

It's still a fine STR increase..so it's something.

[fallen pulsar]

Likely better

[modern crypt]

thanks, will check some sims

[warm plinth]

not the phone pic

[limpid anchor]

No screenshot no help :<

[vast goblet]

dude

[warm plinth]

Win+Shift+S pepehands

[upbeat star]

Oh come on lol

Fineeee

[warm plinth]

In any case, we need more information if you need help lol

[limpid anchor]

Choice seems easy enough