protection

[ionic fern]

😦

[warm plinth]

I don't know about the averaging part, but the rest is legit. Get an idea of where it would improve you and where it might hurt you and make a decision accordingly.

[blazing condor]

mwahi make dungeon apl

[potent harbor]

@void marten i want find team fór keys 20 above

@warm plinth dont wanna provoke but why that math was bad? With that bleed thing And that example on 100mil if u can explain IT from math perspective

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/imQFckrm4wTou8XMMYgob9 ST
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5v6vPZcfcy9V2KKDP9Lfa9 AoE

not a big difference for aoe

but quite the jump on st

[whole vortex]

[limpid anchor]

So bloodborne is better

Thanks

[blazing condor]

bloodborne era confirmed

[marble cipher]

0.8% biiiiggg

[whole vortex]

Gotta get that 0.8%,fuck bosses

[timber terrace]

that's a sim where you're tanking 100% of the time which doesn't exist on ST

[limpid anchor]

It does in m+

[potent harbor]

Can u SIM bb on aoe with Force talent?

[whole vortex]

We're we not talking about m+ this whole time?

[timber terrace]

yeah 5 minutes patchwerk in M+

[marble cipher]

nah, just have a dps pull threat at start, bam, not 100% tanking!

[whole vortex]

That's not 5

[limpid anchor]

About are we talking? 5+ targets in raid or what

[whole vortex]

3 minute is not farfetched for tyrannical boss

[void marten]

guys are you blind or not processing properly what the sim shows, if you take those sims at face value battering ram is better than bloodborne in dungeons lmao

[potent harbor]

Hope we talk about m+

[void marten]

which we know battering ram is a bad talent in dungeons

[marble cipher]

people are memeing, chillax 😉

[blazing condor]

[limpid anchor]

What

Why is bartering ram a bad talent

[void marten]

therefore through the power of deducting, you should play bsv all time

[blazing condor]

truege

[whole vortex]

Real and true

[sweet summit]

you know

[blazing condor]

i dont

[sweet summit]

prot chat is starting to resemble fury chat and i do not like that

[whole vortex]

[limpid anchor]

Because you are not yellow

[sweet summit]

sry

[whole vortex]

It's a skyhold problem erga, not fury

[flint grove]

I’m just here to watch

[potent harbor]

@sweet summit did u SIM that aoe with Force of show talent?

[sweet summit]

all those sims had show of force

[potent harbor]

Oke

[limpid anchor]

Does that make a difference?

[flint grove]

Gonna give this a go tonight

[sweet summit]

it's not a variable so no i don't think it should make a difference

[void marten]

even with bloodborne, dots are 25.8% of the simmed damage

[marble cipher]

when the discussion was happening on that 35% thing earlier, I checked ingame for my three latest dungeons done, and it was indeed 22 / 23 and 21% of my damage for those

[sweet summit]

initial roar hit is not counted as a dot but that's nitpicking i guess

[void marten]

i removed it, 25.8 is only dots

[marble cipher]

initial roar hit isn't a bleed either

[sweet summit]

okay fair

[void marten]

i can upload +20 aa logs if you want

[sweet summit]

did u remove initial rend hit too? (or does that not exist with blood and thunder i am not sure) (this is probably still nitpicking i am just curious)

[void marten]

you apply it with thunderclap

so there's no initial hit

[solid dove]

Btw i just test frozen devotion its me or its totaly broken (9% damage overall)

[void marten]

shouldnt be that much

[blazing condor]

mans devoted

[whole vortex]

That sounds like too much of your overall

[whole vortex]

Or very cold

[limpid anchor]

Aa is a shit dungeon to compare that

[blazing condor]

also 9% of what? if you do shit damage overall then frozen devotion could still do a lot of % damaage

[solid dove]

Maybe spamming windwirl too Much 😛

[void marten]

why

[whole vortex]

Maybe he's using a dagger

[void marten]

it has a lot of big pulls

[sweet summit]

i see

[void marten]

probably the one with biggest pulls overall

[limpid anchor]

Exactly

That’s when bleeds shine

[void marten]

yeah but the point is i think even in that case it won't do 35% of my damage

[limpid anchor]

Ah like that

[young mango]

How do you skill if u want double wall and spellblock what do u drop?

[sweet summit]

nothing both are choice nodes

[jagged pier]

I mean u should be running thouse choice nodes

[void marten]

yeah you dont drop anything

or well you drop impenetrable wall and tough as nails

if that's what you meant, but i assume not

[sweet summit]

i guess yeah

[vernal lagoon]

just to be sure, the M+ builds linked in the pins are better than the wowhead guide? I've read that several times now and not sure if it's a troll or true anymore

[ionic plank]

I've been reading this morning and thinking the same

its spreading

[sweet summit]

[vernal lagoon]

(not that it matters much, the only difference is Thunderlord vs Battering Ram)

[young mango]

Hm ok

[sweet summit]

battering ram is more damage
thunderlord is slightly more demo uptime

[void marten]

i never drop thunderlord in m+, i think it's a really good talent if you are chain pulling big packs

[vernal lagoon]

yea, whenever I chain pull I get healers angry at me

"omg slow down! it's only an 11!" etc

[limpid anchor]

But its not lined up with your other cds

[vernal lagoon]

oh and Sidearm vs Pain and Gain, that's another difference.

Where Sidearm looks slightly better. Never noticed a huge healing improvement with P&G

[void marten]

so what lol i still deal quite decent damage and take damage

[vernal lagoon]

🤔 sidearm is only 2.2% of my dps.. also not that great

then again, 16% haste at 388. My gear needs a ton of work

33% mastery though

[potent harbor]

@void marten 26 Is good in my book or?

[void marten]

this is from 20 jade serpent

22-22.5% dot damage

[vernal lagoon]

No revenge? or do you just not use that anymore at that level?

and spend all rage on SB/IP

[void marten]

no lol

[vernal lagoon]

aaah 😄 yea ok I am stupid then haha

[void marten]

i didnt take the first part in the screenshot

[vernal lagoon]

I really need to learn to balance my rage usage more

I keep overcapping IP, and not using enough revenge

[void marten]

tho not really good dps

probably fucked up at some places

but in my defense i have shit trinkets too

i play with ruby whelp shell

single target

[potent harbor]

@void marten Its still good or not if ur dots do that, have 20 percent more?

Im speccing ruby into haste sice points

Six

[void marten]

it could be better for aoe but i also do mythic raid progress

[warm plinth]

The problem with your math is that you're using a percentage of your own overall DPS (which is variable, since no one is perfect and you have no control over how many procs you get of various things) and comparing it to a fixed linear ability as a comparison. Deep Wounds and Rend are both fixed abilities. They do the same damage per target all the time (barring stat procs or whatever that might increase it), obviously scaling with number of targets. So provided I keep them up an entire dungeon, they are going to do a set amount of damage based on how much time I spent fighting mobs.

So let's say as an example, my rend does 100 damage per 15 seconds and my deep wounds does 100 damage per 15 seconds (per target). If I fight 5 mobs for 10 mins, each of those abilities is going to do a fixed 20,000 damage. The only thing this guarantees about the rest of my rotation is that I pressed Thunder Clap every 15 seconds and Revenge every 15 seconds. Literally anything could happen outside of those two events. Now depending on how I do my rotation (badly vs well), I might do a million damage or 5 million damage in addition to that 20,000 damage. So now 20,000 damage is somewhere between 2% and .04% of my overall damage. Now obviously I made up these numbers for simplicity's sake, but hopefully I got the basic idea across.

The same concept applies to any individual ability, spell, trinket, whatever relative to your overall DPS. If I suck, a whetstone might do 25% of my overall. If I'm good, it might only do 7% of my overall.

[void marten]

so single target is the best case scenario for me

this is a 20 sbg, bleeds are around 21%

this is 20 court, 23%

so yeah overall bleeds do roughly 21-22% of my damage

[potent harbor]

@warm plinth got it, but if i play fór example trinket which gives mě haste proč like ruby shell And theres no Eng dmg overall i can count with numbers Aš they Are? I mean pyke rot looks rly good fór example So we can assume bleeds Will be Always around 25?

[void marten]

and imo it's not worth 2 points to get a 2% dps increase

[limpid anchor]

How do I see the % on phone :(

[solid dove]

Just any question what is the worse key for you to tank?

[potent harbor]

@void marten How Its 2 percent if bleeds do 20-22 of ur dmg then 20 percent more on that Is 4 percent?

[limpid anchor]

Temple bcs you need a healer

[void marten]

rlp probably

its mostly ptsd tho

[warm plinth]

You can get a general idea of what bleeds might be but there is still going to be some variance. Like even looking at one of the best warriors in the world (going by score, not parses), WITH bloodborne, his bleeds (Rend and Deep Wounds) were around 28% of his overall damage for the dungeon I looked at, which was an AA. But even if I had looked at another of his dungeons, maybe a Court of Stars, that percentage could've been different even though it's the same person playing the same way.

[young mango]

Rlp without a Doubt

[void marten]

i have a 2 hour run on 21 rlp before nerfs

on tyrannical

[gilded zodiac]

the nerf tomorrow is that a big nerf or?

[whole vortex]

Ruby Death pools is big suck to tank

[void marten]

you can check pins

[warm plinth]

So earlier you said something like 30 mil bleed damage out of 100 mil total damage is 30% and you were correct. The only part you were incorrect on is HOW you were using the math when you were trying to explain your point.

[potent harbor]

@warm plinth i see but how that can change in next week where we Will be doing much more aoe dmg?

[void marten]

unless you play with a good team you won't be doing much more aoe dmg because you won't be able to do really big pulls

[warm plinth]

Well naturally the more time you spend fighting more targets, the more damage your bleeds will do overall. But your Thunder clap and Revenge and your rage generation from Bloodsurge are all going to increase as well.

[wild kayak]

does Spell block work on Hyrja light shield?

[void marten]

yes

[warm plinth]

So if I fight trash for idk, 20 mins of a dungeon instead of 15 mins of a dungeon, obviously my total bleed damage will be higher

[wild kayak]

is it enough to survive at a 21 with ip shield block spell rflect? @void marten

[void marten]

of course

[inner hound]

feels ass to take spell block just for her, but I do it on 20+

[void marten]

you can defensive stance spell reflect, 100k ip and survive

[wild kayak]

she does some mfin damage

[void marten]

spell block trivializes it

[wild kayak]

me spell block man

[flint grove]

Yeah ima take spell@block and double wall from now on for pugs

[void marten]

i do:

defensive stance and spell reflect on every beam and try to squeeze demo as well if it lines up

1. spell block
2. shield wall
3. shield wall
4. external
5. spell block

should be dead by then

if not you get shield wall back

[potent harbor]

@warm plinth So in that case bb can be worth? I mean if u do 25-30 bleed dmg how Its not big dps increase then

[void marten]

what's the opportunity cost

which talents are you dropping?

because it's not free damage increase

[potent harbor]

I would drop single target defense And in some dungs chall about interrupt

Chall shout intterupt

[inner hound]

challenging shout interrupt is already dropping something

[void marten]

you don't take disrupting shout by default

show me the talents you'd take please

[potent harbor]

Mbe battering rám And in non Spell dungs Spell block or impe wall?

Im on mob phone i Will later

[void marten]

see that's the issue, in most of the high keys you need them

those are the tools that let you stay alive easier, do bigger pulls, help you not to kite

[ionic fern]

I'm running Spell Block & Double Wall in almost all keys on tyrannical.

[void marten]

and therefore increase your party's damage much more than what you'd get with bloodborne

[ionic fern]

Mostly because i'm too lazy to swap.

[whole vortex]

I usually run SS reduces cooldown on wall, seems to give pretty high uptime on wall overall

[mighty valley]

how are we still talking about bloodborne

[ionic fern]

Jeah, but on higher tyrannicals you need back to back SW's.

[whole vortex]

Like, I don't feel like I'm missing my walls when I need them

[void marten]

i dont need higher wall uptime, i need wall when i need it haha

[ionic fern]

To survive certain boss mechanics.

[whole vortex]

Sure, I can see that

[mighty valley]

if you’re dropping spell block, why not take tough as nails for more damage from one point

[void marten]

hyrja, crawth, jade serpent 3rd boss etc.

[ionic fern]

Generally speaking, Impenetrable Wall is better.

[sick sentinel]

I was lied to

[whole vortex]

But like, if you wall first, then use all other defensives conservatively, usually wall is up again during the fight

[sick sentinel]

Who do I trust

The anime character or the bald man

[ionic fern]

Who lied about what?

[crude notch]

Always the bald man

[whole vortex]

Never trust bald frauds

[crude notch]

Because the Anime Character is egotistical and cringe.

[mighty valley]

over a giga long boss fight, imp wall is better, but for realistic boss fight lengths or bad trash packs, you sometimes want both walls closer together

[lofty widget]

whats the avg SW cd with defenders aegis?

[inner hound]

just sucks to lose the SS rage gen

[whole vortex]

I'd run double wall for TJS tyrannical just to make jade serpent strike easier for myself

For example

[young mango]

Rlp 1st and 2nd Boss hyria temple 3rd Boss av First Boss and bird in aa Are probably the Most dangerous bosses for us imo

[mighty valley]

Double wall is especially worth considering if you don’t trust your healer externals

[whole vortex]

But on AA bird I can usually make do without doble wall

[void marten]

are you dwarf or play with an evoker?

[rigid relic]

Is it worth building Lariat if i have Bracers + Belt? I got the eranog firedmg ring

[mighty valley]

For us lariat is about the same as any other embellishment

[void marten]

i would use engi bracers+lariat+belt

[whole vortex]

You can sim crafting droptimizer

[mighty valley]

Maybe more worth if you offspec to drop one for lariat

[inner hound]

3?

[whole vortex]

Bracers are free

[void marten]

engi bracers arent embellsih, no?

[inner hound]

oh wait

yeah mb

[void marten]

but for example im running versa shield+lariat

not optimal

but still works

[mighty valley]

Use engi bracers as a true last resort tho, not as reliable as it used to be lmao

[void marten]

i mostly like how they're one stat haha

fat haste from one item

[mighty valley]

Yeah that’s nice

[void marten]

too bad i have a 415 haste vers bracers already

if i didnt upgrade it already, i'd have crafted them

[whole vortex]

I run potion absorption, big aoe damage potion

[inner hound]

After all this talk about bloodborne, I think it's time for a crit vs vers discussion

[whole vortex]

[mighty valley]

You Must Be This Vers To Ride

[whole vortex]

I'm not going to be getting any work done today

[potent harbor]

@whole vortex isnt Jade serpent necrotic healing debuff on you which healer must overheal So u negated it by hrál pots Victory rush ignore pain? How def cd helps if u have 5k hp?

Or i dont understand that mech

[void marten]

the first hit is also big damage

on top of healing absorb

and you keep taking damage during the healing absorb

[whole vortex]

It's a big hit, and it ticks like 5 more times after. Good DR means there is less stress on the healer to patch you up

[void marten]

so less damage you take=your healer or you have more time to heal it back

without dying

[potent harbor]

I run Away from boss And waiting in narnia

[void marten]

yeah dont do that

[whole vortex]

Don't want to move the boss

[potent harbor]

I mean i run Away on start then Waves goes out then charge back

[whole vortex]

Makes it real aids of the rest of the party to avoid the lines

[potent harbor]

Its like 5 sec heál window

And boss mid

[whole vortex]

[mighty valley]

well yeah, you should dodge the kick/waves

[potent harbor]

So u use def redu before IT goes out right

[whole vortex]

You still want to wall the Jade serpent strikes, you can't outrange the hit or the dot

[mighty valley]

but you only need to walk out of the ring then charge once you know you won’t be hit by a wave

[whole vortex]

Yes

[potent harbor]

But during that Its healing thing?

[whole vortex]

Mhm, that's why if you're going to use Last stand you use it after

Mitigation goes before, healing after

[potent harbor]

Last Stand ofc after it heals you

[void marten]

well of course that's a mechanic but don't expect every healer to be able to heal 450k absorb in 5 secs

[potent harbor]

But shield wall before

[potent harbor]

Well i rallye cry And victo rush

[void marten]

especially when they also need to do the same mechanic

[potent harbor]

Second heál pot

[whole vortex]

Wall is usually enough by itself for one hit

[potent harbor]

Third spam ip And Spell block before

[whole vortex]

With IP up of course

[void marten]

yeah you can just wall and let your heal and yourself not to get stressed

[whole vortex]

The biggest trap on that boss is using too many CDs for one hit, that way you run out of stuff to use

[potent harbor]

But Its Tyra week do u need those def rolls outside Tyra fór mobs even they stronger? I feel like my health bar Is never moving

[void marten]

what difficulty keys are you doing

[potent harbor]

@void marten rn 17/18

[whole vortex]

Most trash is no problem at all because most trash only do phys damage

[potent harbor]

But first week i want go to 20 next

[void marten]

since its multiplicative 17 18 is far easier than 21 22 etc

[potent harbor]

Just didnt play forti Aš prot this patch

[whole vortex]

You still need to watch out for magic shit, I pop my defensive CDs liberally on trash packs I know have magic busters

[void marten]

but yes, if you manage your cds well for hard hitting abilities you dont take a lot of damage

[whole vortex]

As long as I know I'll get it back in time for bosses

[void marten]

the hardest part is crowd control management

not missing interrupts

using storm bolt/intimidating shout properly etc.

while doing good dps and staying alive

[potent harbor]

Im just thinking on reset tommorow u know im kinda scared dont know what expect

[void marten]

or being able to start kiting on time this week for example

[whole vortex]

You'll be fine

[potent harbor]

If pull lot or not with pugs on bolstering etc

[void marten]

well if i were you i would start with stopping worrying about bloodborne

[whole vortex]

If you see bolstering stacking up it's time to start kiting

Or time to use stuns

[void marten]

keybind skull target to an easy access button

preferably on mouse

[potent harbor]

@void marten im not worrying So much i love min maximg, overall i want my keys be succes but later with decent group if i know Its good i would like to try it

[whole vortex]

Or pop a shield wall if you have one available and it's far until next boss. Or use intimidating shout. You have lots of tools available

[potent harbor]

Guess biggest prob fór me Will be recognizi g which mobs popis a tually bolster And can buff some big add mini boss

Like fór example if imps proč it in court of stars etc

Fuck mob i type like mongoloid

Hope u understand

[inner hound]

Pretty much if they dropped sanguine this week then they also bolster

[void marten]

imps used to bolster in legion

idk if they changed it

didnt play when cos was up in sl

[inner hound]

Yeah probably some surprises coming up

[whole vortex]

I wonder if trash before vex will bolster, they don't spawn spiteful

[void marten]

99% sure they will

algethar small trees wont bolster

small eagles will bolster

lesser sha's won't bolster(hopefully)

[potent harbor]

Isnt next week bullshit i mean itvwill be annoying i guess

[whole vortex]

Summoned trash usually doesn't bolster

As in, enemies who summon more enemies

It should be fine

[void marten]

is it reset in na already?

i guess not because i don't see any vault questions yet

[lofty widget]

in 6-7 hours i think

[whole vortex]

[pallid quiver]

there will also be the 8 hour maint, too, so

[sick sentinel]

Some highlight reel material next week

NO centaur packs

HOV shield maiden packs

TJS water ele

AV golem

AA mana wyrm

gonna be fun

[stuck basin]

nokhud will be a delight of fun and joy 🤣

[potent harbor]

Will you just run through whole first Area with rogue in ruby? I can imagine that, cc first gólem then that two packs And then skip

[sick sentinel]

the first area is the easiest to clear

upstairs is worse

cant wait to get one shot by that cleaving centaur tbh

gonna be insane

prime gaming experience

[potent harbor]

I hate first area with that patroling gólem And dont forget Its easy pull that shaker guys which Will ik group Its not interrupted cast

Ill stun Once sure And then with pugs u pray

[ionic fern]

-Storm Bolt
-Fear
-Shield Charge
-Shockwave

[potent harbor]

I saw that detonation 18 forti on stream can imagine with bolster

[sick sentinel]

if the group cant deal with interrupts downstairs, upstair is just gonna be worse

if anything i think its prob better to over clear downstairs and skip a pack or two upstairs

ohhhh now that i think of it, the upstairs with all the TC mob and one storm caster is gonna be lit next week

ez affix

[void marten]

probably gonna do my last 20(hov) before reset and next week i'll just spam sbg+cos 20s to fill the vault

cba with bolster fortified

[ionic fern]

Next week is afk week.

[vocal nimbus]

how long bolster bolsters mobs

[sick sentinel]

30s? ish

long enough

[potent harbor]

Oh Stormcaster Will be lit

[vocal nimbus]

havent seen bolster since it was permanent until out of combat

[ionic fern]

Bolster/FORTIFIED is the bad part.

[potent harbor]

I mean stormcaster that miniboss in ruby

With mobs around

[void marten]

tjs last pack on bolster fortified

yumm

[blazing condor]

bolster mostly annoying cus you cant pull big

[ionic fern]

Which makes the key boring.
Time to afk.

[blazing condor]

11.0 waiting room

[potent harbor]

@void marten u mean that pack which iks you even Now? Oh ye

[ionic fern]

Soooooooon.

[void marten]

tbh if it gets sufficiently bolstered i think we can one shot them with spell reflect

[blazing condor]

at least we got to see mwahi play

[ionic fern]

Still playing.

Going strong.

I just need a better parse on Terros and Diurna.

[vocal nimbus]

their hp also gets bolstered so no

[ionic fern]

[potent harbor]

@void marten but how tanks without sr do that pack lol Its insane dmg even now

[void marten]

you cc some of them

[potent harbor]

Ye but they have insane hp

U can't cc forever

[void marten]

you can renew cc's

you can literally cc forever

[potent harbor]

Unless u do 200k aoe ur teamates i mean

[sick sentinel]

just kite it 4head

[void marten]

i mean cc like trap etc. idk if they are called something else

i dont mean stun/fear them

[potent harbor]

I dont know how u will cc forever 6 mob pack or?

[void marten]

you trap 1, root 1, focus down and kill 1

there are 5 mobs

only 4 of them are tankbusters

which leave you with 1 tankbuster at a time

[potent harbor]

Thats perfect world with good team, what about pugs Now 😄

[lofty widget]

write in party chat "cc 1 mob"

[potent harbor]

In generál all tanks all players Will do that that Will be insane wall

[sick sentinel]

usually cc 1 darkclaw is enough

if youre really uncomfortable cc 2 of them

there are 3

[ionic fern]

You only CC 1 mob.

You can literally kite the rest if needed.

[sick sentinel]

kiting in pug is chaotic because the big one summon adds

[void marten]

kiting there is bad, it get's out of hand real quick

[ionic fern]

In a 21+ key the PuGs know it.

[sick sentinel]

which still kills dps if not picked up quickly enough

[void marten]

if you think you need to kite, just cc more

[ionic fern]

From my experience atleast.

[sick sentinel]

i mean

[potent harbor]

U mean like when u type plán WHO kick whicht centaur in NO last boss And then už see how they freely cást oh yes 😄

[sick sentinel]

yesterday i saw a 2950 rogue fails the cos gate skip twice

[ionic fern]

Happens.

[sick sentinel]

pugs is wilderness rn

[ionic fern]

Always has been.

[void marten]

pugs are good at hard cc

[potent harbor]

Thats true

[void marten]

idk maybe collective knowledge finally hit that level

i've never seen anyone breaking ccs this expansion

it also helps that druids cant do it with starfall anymore i think

[slim dove]

You can kite out of every dark claw.

Has a 8yd range iirc.

[potent harbor]

Good to know nice

[slim dove]

No reason to cc unless your group is pepega

[pallid quiver]

if you're super sketched about the mobs, simply kite them back to the entrance of the dungeon

it's

not actually that far away

[potent harbor]

So if He část it And i leap Away no dmg to mě?

[void marten]

yes but you risk causing a wipe if it overlaps with big mob spawning adds since you won't be able to grab their aggro quick enough

if you feel like you need to kite, just cc one and pull rest

[sick sentinel]

i think its more so that if you keep them out of range they wont cast it

[void marten]

it's really, really not worth to kite there unless you trust your dps 100% to play good

focus down haunting shas, spell reflect dark claw, pull 1 dark claw mob at a time

and it's a surprisingly easy pack to pull

[sick sentinel]

that is really not that ncessary

[slim dove]

It's really not that hard.

You don't need to leap, just walk away from them lol.

[potent harbor]

Guess Its not need to exp it

It was example with leap

[sick sentinel]

just ask your team to move along with you so the adds comes to you naturally for you to pick it up

[potent harbor]

Ofc ill walk out

[stuck basin]

go in sw up reflect first set of tankbusters then tank them with spellblock 20 second - reflect again - then consider kiting 😉

[potent harbor]

I got almost ik this week on 18 jade with wall Spell block And last Stand, definitely in forti bolster just Spell blocking Is answer but w/e already know what to do i guess

[craggy pilot]

wait holy shit

will this no longer be tough to pull 5 at a time?

or does the leap get scary for DPS then?

[shell mortar]

Short answer both were the problem, now you just don't need to kite

[ionic fern]

DPS will get 1 shot.
The bite was on the tank.
The Leap 1 shot DPS'ers.

[craggy pilot]

yea was just thinking if 5 is still a yikes thing

but i guess it might be on Fort, might not be on Tyr

[ionic fern]

Even 3 is yikes.

[craggy pilot]

idk why they remove the Tank hit though

just reduce the amount they buff each other

or at least fix the leap, so you dont get 2 worgs jumping the same target oneshotting them 🤣

[sick sentinel]

that bite

randomly goes on dps

sometimes

[blazing condor]

maybe fervent

[sick sentinel]

jump can be played around

but requires some coordination

[ionic fern]

Never seen a DPS get bitten.

o.o

[sick sentinel]

i saw it happen like twice

[broken vessel]

Yo are the latest dungeon nerfs live on EU as well?

[ionic fern]

Probably not as intended then.,

Just went through 5 HoV logs of my own and they only got leap on them.

[woeful trellis]

If the range just keep running 5 is fine or did we had luck all the time?

[ionic fern]

All the bites were on me.

[ionic fern]

Depends on key level.
On a 22 Fortified they 1 shot our ranged with 3.

[blazing condor]

bolstering

[sick sentinel]

travel form can dodge the damage if druid keeps moving

[woeful trellis]

Okay, I Tell the range Everytime don’t stand just run and they dodge the dmg

[ionic fern]

Jeah.
I've defaulted into not pulling them regardless.

[woeful trellis]

Yeah me2 in legion but now it worked 😁 but I don’t have so much hov runs this addon 😁

[mortal brook]

Guys when pulling Xiang and Jiang, i like to mark Jiang with an X and tell my group to kill X

[ionic fern]

That's bullying.

[woeful trellis]

🤣 I rly laughed

[blazing condor]

if you say {cross} then its np

[limpid anchor]

Yesterday I charged, tc, dh ran in and died to the bite

100% no aggro loss

[foggy drift]

Is whelp bad or good?

[ionic fern]

Sure it was a bite? o.o

I need a log.

😦

[limpid anchor]

Need to check if I find the log when I get home

[ionic fern]

Even says "Current target".

[modern folio]

maybe it's similar to how bears sometime randomly clap a dps even without losing aggro

[limpid anchor]

Okay never seen that tho

[modern folio]

never seen wolfs bite dps but i've seen dps get one shot by rending claws before only happens when i'm kiting and they are infront of the mob

[final radish]

why i have still problem on my warr tank :/ im 2480 io and 411 i level and i have still problem i dont have good filling

on RLP secend boss i have problem idk what always going on there

can some one tell me what should i do important there and dont get wipe :/

[trim bay]

you getting trucked by the debuff

searing wounds

or eating the fire ball

[modern folio]

respect the dmg and use defensives accordingly. impending victory is great vs bleeds aswell

[final radish]

not fire ball its rly ez to dodge

[strong forum]

RLP 2nd boss is a pure bleed

We can do nothing against it except press shield wall every now and again

And just continue our normal rotation

[modern folio]

wall ever other searing blows

demo shout for the other

[limpid anchor]

@ionic fern do i see who had aggro from a mob?

[modern folio]

and impending victory to help with the healing

[ionic fern]

Threat.

[final radish]

im playing with 2 shild wall and spell block but ... idk rly

[modern folio]

spell block doesn't work vs it

it's 100% phys bleed

name is missleading

[ionic fern]

Not everything is a "tank solo mechanic".
All you can do is rotate your CD's like SW/DS/LS paired with IP/IV and healer externals / heal spam.

[hardy snow]

for 2nd boss on RLP there is a solution, you have to whisper your healer "Hey, I know they wrote on wowhead that prot warrior is immortal, but on this boss i would really appreciate your healing on me due to heavy bleed"

you will get some heals and survive

[robust jackal]

hey I want to go into tanking with protection warrior, I am just setting up my keybinds, ui, wa etc. - I am wondering is there ever need to use rend ?

[ionic fern]

Not with Blood & Thunder talented.

[hardy snow]

no, TC applies it

[robust jackal]

ok thanks

[limpid anchor]

So the worg thing would show up on the threat list right

[waxen cedar]

in SBG on worm if your team is full of dindongs who cant bait

[ionic fern]

Find the Worg on your own threat table.
See if it was on you all the time?

Could be a bug then, doubt it's a "feature".
Never seen it happen in any of my 20+ Hall keys.

[waxen cedar]

yea they randomly bite closest target, mostly when they are "prowling" after leap

[modern folio]

prob will try to bite current target unless current target isn't in range

then bites closest target

[final radish]

i try 1 more time my key its dep from 21to 20 and now its 19 if dont get it i will give up :/

[waxen cedar]

exactly

[modern folio]

similar to sha's using gaze on dps if you leap out of the range

[limpid anchor]

Last one is the dh who died, but i dont understand the %

[edgy spear]

You need to restrict the time to that pack

You're probably looking at overall for the entire key

[limpid anchor]

Seems so

Im to dumb on phone

But I don’t see any indication that he had aggro

[prisma crow]

is halls of valor nerf live in EU? or after maintenance?

[mortal brook]

Maintenance

Probably?

[edgy spear]

Maybe?

I think the hotfixes to stuff like hp nerf etc. can be done without client side update

[mortal brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1067419639035998258/image.png

[craggy pilot]

Storm Drake in HOV, is the breath fixed or not? 🤔

like i cant sidestep it can i?

[crimson furnace]

it turns with u

when u side move

and u wipe grp

[obsidian moon]

Is there some prot war weak aura pack people prefer? I have been using luxthos for all classes but somehow this doesnt feel so good when tanking. Specially that ignore pain and shield block part

[crimson furnace]

ggs

QUAZI

i love it

or just @ NOM and ask his settings

he has some custom stuff that are nice

:)

[craggy pilot]

what about the Mortal Hew?

i have been getting mixed messages about Mortal Hew, some people say to just stand still as it hits you no matter the range, and some people say if you outrange it it doesnt hit you 🤔

[wintry nymph]

pretty sure my friend is outranging it on dk by walking away from it

[gloomy sphinx]

You can backpedal away from it consistently, just don’t cleave tf out of your dps lol

[craggy pilot]

is it stunnable?

[gloomy sphinx]

Yes

[hardy snow]

it doesnt matter what others prefers, just try out different WA to check what fits you if you are not satisfied with your current one and wanna change,

[craggy pilot]

you ok nome? 😄

[gloomy sphinx]

I run with a monk and we usually start the pack with a shockwave about 5 seconds in, then rotate in the leg sweep shortly after to allow max stand still dps. I haven’t tried but assume intimidating shout works as well.

[strong forum]

cat

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[blazing condor]

🐱

[jagged pier]

🐱

[worthy haven]

The dps gap between a primalist gem and a regular blue gem is like, .2% right?

[edgy spear]

You can sim it

[worthy haven]

That takes like 2-6 minutes

When I can ask here for much less effort

[hardy snow]

I have question regarding Sennarth last phase. If paladin wants to rescue me from web with BoP, does he need to cast it before i got wrapped, or after? Does only BoP works for it or something other too?

[gloomy sphinx]

Oh man…effort 💀

[worthy haven]

Exactly!

Meh, there's no chance that gem is an increase worth the money

[nimble laurel]

time to sit in defensive stance more after the nerfs? 😕

[worthy haven]

Time to switch to brewmaster

New meta

Best tank

God mode

[hazy thicket]

We're all quitting

This is just a support group now

[worthy haven]

Today I got banned from wowhead commenting

Because I said Tomrus has the IQ of a concussed monkey

So now I'm banned from the wow subreddit and wowhead

I might be an asshole

[hazy thicket]

Eh. Personal attacks aren't really ever warranted

[gloomy sphinx]

“A concussed monkey”

[worthy haven]

To be fair

[meager remnant]

to be fair what

control ur emotions lol

[worthy haven]

I did say, this comment is a reminder of how many wow players have the IQ of a concussed monkey

[meager remnant]

literally just dont type

[worthy haven]

So I didn't say his name

Meh, it was my first comment ever on wowhead

And my last apparently hahaha

[whole vortex]

100% success rate on getting banned from wowhead

[worthy haven]

I'm nice in discord and I'm nice in game

But on forums I'm kind of an asshole

Also my wowhead name was 'kindofanasshole" which the mods changes to "kindofaniceguy"

I'm being censored, my first amendment rights are being violated

[lyric elm]

wow forums are made for trolling

[worthy haven]

Exactly

[lyric elm]

what other purpose is there

they dont read them

its just a joke

[autumn marsh]

Wow forums are a cesspool

Contradicting arguements over every facet of the game, vomited from a smooth brain every day

[gloomy sphinx]

If you can’t handle a little bit of trolling the internet ain’t for you

Time to disconnect

[autumn marsh]

The best ones lately are the ones threatening to quit because they cant use regular flying

[young geode]

First ammendment only applies to the government. Wow head can do whatever the fuck they want about your name.

[autumn marsh]

Or that there isnt enough totally solo content, that they have to gulp deal with other players in a MMO

[ionic fern]

They can cast it after.

[gloomy sphinx]

I want more dragon riding tf, who wants regular flying lmao

[autumn marsh]

I think its mostly thinly veiled botters, who want regular flying so they can carry on

Dragonriding and the new ore and herb types have detroyed botters

[gloomy sphinx]

Valid

[autumn marsh]

THe new proffs and flying etc really are a lot of work for the average botter

[ionic fern]

Topic name: "M+ is absurdly hard and not fun for solo players".
Topic body: "Hello, this is not to complain but m+ is just so over-tuned and not fun if all you do is pug. I've been trying 5 times already to time that AV key but it just feels impossible with all the interrupts and cordination needed to successfully navigate the key. They would need to either increase the timer of the key or reduce the amount of kicks and stuns needed to successfully navigate it! "

First comment "What key level?"

Answer:"+5"

That's my experience with Wow forums.

[whole vortex]

forums

[royal reef]

Im looking for giga chad prot war

[analog sparrow]

What's a good way to pick up a shit ton of adds after ae taunt is down? Specifically thinking of the whelps on first boss in rlp

[ionic fern]

Ask.

[gloomy sphinx]

I meannnnn I wouldn’t complain about a timer adjustment for AV 😂

[reef holly]

I get the impression wow is too hard for people that post on the forums

[ionic fern]

I'm the giggaest chad.

[whole vortex]

All I see of the forums is my chrome "discover" queue trying to rage bait me

[royal reef]

Can you tank my key

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[nimble laurel]

roar, ravager, whetstone (if you have it)

[royal reef]

Blizz id

Pls

Im gonna do 21tjs

Need gigachad tank

[ionic fern]

21ˇTJS doesn't need a giga tank.

😒

[jagged pier]

I mean its sad that like 50% of the player base domt even run m+ because its too hard

[ionic fern]

Don't waste my time.

Smh.

[royal reef]

With big pecker

[whole vortex]

There's a 4-6 work week queue to get mwahi as tank

[eager phoenix]

stagger aoe taunt/ravager/shocking disclosure, dragon roar over the 2 waves. you can meet the whelps before they connect to your team

[royal reef]

Ok I give you 50k

[jagged pier]

21 needed giga tank

Pretty sure yogi could tank that

[ionic fern]

[ionic fern]

True.

[royal reef]

Any other giga tank

[ionic fern]

Do you have giga DPS'ers and healer?

[whole vortex]

Wouldn't need giga tank if he did

[gloomy sphinx]

He’s trying to triple plus that 21 okay

[ionic fern]

I had a warlock yesterday in a 21 TJS that did 68k DPS overall up until first boss.

Left that key after he also died to the first beam.

[whole vortex]

And then he did 90k overall for the rest right?

[eager phoenix]

[ionic fern]

No.

[whole vortex]

[ionic fern]

He couldn't beat me in overall.

And just died.

"LF GIGA TANK!!!!" - Join

Top 3 DPS as a tank.
Goddamnit.

[gloomy sphinx]

Sounds like a gigabait

[ionic fern]

True. 😦 but they are the loudest.

[eager phoenix]

dodge the pampers only groups

[limpid anchor]

That’s why he needs a giga tank

[analog sparrow]

Thanks for the answers. I'll work on spreading out those cooldowns more.

[ionic fern]

Talking of dodge..i parried 5 out of 8 Hymdal bleeds yesterday in the +21 HoV.

[gloomy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[royal reef]

Did you played with russian mage

[jagged pier]

Its when ppl like at the stats for like top 10% io score or whatever and they think thats all players and its like nah thats out of all chars that have run m+ inculding alts so its like top 5% instead of top 10%

[jagged pier]

Hey thats me

Happens to me all the time

[harsh cedar]

My favorite is "BIG PULLS" and then they die to every single pull

[jagged pier]

No its pull more

[royal reef]

Saying big pulls and not using cc

[jagged pier]

So u do

Then they do nothing to help with stops

Do less

Die

Blames u

[royal reef]

Next step is pulling for tank

[ionic fern]

"jeah,pull all AV first room,np we blast". 0 interrupts,0 stuns, 0 dps.

[gloomy sphinx]

This is giving me major ptsd rn

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[royal reef]

Bro I try to help tank so I pull mobs for him

[ionic fern]

Already hate you.

[elfin atlas]

So it isn't just me!!!

[royal reef]

But hes so trash he cant get aggro

Smh

[jagged pier]

Get out of the channel

[ionic fern]

If someone pulls for me.

They die.

[jagged pier]

Yep

[ionic fern]

And i leave.

[royal reef]

Sarcasm

.

[jagged pier]

Cause its usually the mobs i dont want to take in the first place

[royal reef]

Yeah its annoying

[harsh cedar]

Anyone know when US reset is?

[royal reef]

But tank going giga small packs

Is more annoying

[elfin atlas]

7-3pst

[gloomy sphinx]

6pm est bro

[jagged pier]

First pull of cos when ive already pulled the constuct on the bridge "LET ME PULL THE OTHER 2 BY THE DOOR AND COMPLAIN WHEN WE WIPE"

[royal reef]

Nah it’s more like

Dh fel rush to mid

Pull entire dung

Use nelf stealth passive

Aggro goes to tank

[glacial skiff]

Had some idiot dps pull birds trash before bird boss in AA. I let him die. Best moment of my night. 😂

[royal reef]

TANK WTF YOU DOING

[gloomy sphinx]

That’s a key I’d leave insta

[royal reef]

Tbh it’s dps fault but

Giga tanks dont die

They survive

Chads don’t fall

[gloomy sphinx]

Chads are too tall to fall

[fluid shard]

Had an incredibly low dps on storm boss in NO18 yesterday. When we wiped i asked how he thought he’d clear an 18 under 30k dps. He said “at least i’m not touching the balls”!

[sick sentinel]

tank, uninstall wow you SUCK and your die too easily and you let me die to melee as well, i really hope you do uninstall and get the fate you deserve, you truly are the worst thung to happen to wow

[jagged pier]

Monka

[gloomy sphinx]

Oh brudder I feel sorry for his children

[grave flower]

How many “how nerfed are we” questions going to pop up during maintenance today? What’s the over under.

[sick sentinel]

youll live

[jagged pier]

Huge

Reroll

We dead

[sick sentinel]

your break pads are just slightly nerfed now,

the main engine still runs

[grave flower]

They get nerfed every time I drive, that’s a shit analogy.

[sick sentinel]

i take the bus

[elfin atlas]

Been playing Prot for quite some time now. Haven't been using any weak auras to track SB and IP. Just look at the cooldown bars usually. I find myself having around 65% SB uptime. Any recommendations on a weak aura that is fairly easy to use to help track these?

[grave flower]

Search shield block uptime and ignore pain tracker on wago. First ones are fine.

[elfin atlas]

Yeah. Doing that now, just wanted to see if one was more user friendly than the other. Thanks

[grave flower]

They’re simple. Shows the uptime and remaining time. IP has amount in pool and color coded for how close to cap you.

[elfin atlas]

Cool. Thanks Haas. I'll play with now b4 they shut us down

[grave flower]

White there’s room. Yellow means you’re about 1 more IP cast from cap. Red means cap and another IP cast, some will be wasted but…it’s still fine to hit IP at cap due to rage spending loop.

[elfin atlas]

OK. I am pretty good at not wasting rage. I revenge A LOT. SB uptime is my detriment. Thx for the help

[sturdy sable]

If your not wasting rage by just pressing revenge your alao probably not generating it fast enough

[edgy grail]

^^

[round pendant]

So say I'm doing the third boss on TJS and I've survived the first two kicks by doing SR and then SW, what defensives should I use for the next two damn kicks?

[edgy grail]

Many people prio revenge over SS and TC

You shouldn’t

[elfin atlas]

ok. I do get rage starved at times. I just try to be pressing buttons and my default is revenge. Guess I can try a slow that down a little

[jagged pier]

Pins

[elfin atlas]

Yeah. Wowanalyzer tells me I need to TC more.

[blazing condor]

is wowanalyzer even updated for us

[jagged pier]

No clue

[elfin atlas]

Trying to improve, but hard to retrain myself sometimes. thx every1

[jagged pier]

Logs

[blazing condor]

better to analyze logs

than wowanalyzer

[jagged pier]

We can help from them

[blazing condor]

jakey can help from them

[round pendant]

Pin only really covers like 2/3 strikes, I feel like she uses it too frequently to CD all of them 🤔

Or is it DPS fault for not phasing at that point

lmao

[pulsar marsh]

are HOV nerfs already live?

[jagged pier]

It covers 4

Sr on all

Double SW

[elfin atlas]

I watched a youtube vid from Jakey on reading logs. I do it with mine and realize that i suck in comparison.

[deft hazel]

The first one that is ignore pain by genshii is broken

[jagged pier]

Spell block 1

Ds and sr another

[edgy grail]

There is no magic

Rotate CDs

And have a big IP prepped

[round pendant]

I should probably stop forgetting to spec spell block when doing tjs

[elfin atlas]

Ok. just imported that one. ha. onto the next

[edgy grail]

Spell block actually covers 2 hits

[round pendant]

it lasts that long? sheesh

I need to actually start using it for that last pack too

tbh this is probably my issue

[inland adder]

That pack this week KEKL

[edgy grail]

Moree like she casts the ability that often but yea 😂

Its 20 sec

[jagged pier]

And for healing the absorb u IV first ls second Iv third pot fourth IV next if u get it

[round pendant]

I had some rogue AD spamming inside the boss and I couldn't position the fire too

[edgy grail]

Ngl the healer just needs to pump

[round pendant]

I would say it's a combined effort of tank + healer

I'm just tired of messing it up

[uneven mason]

Why is AV such a toxic dungeon on tyrannical

[jagged pier]

Cause ppl bad

And timer is close

[uneven mason]

Legit feels like a single mistake and you're going to wipe

[round pendant]

Because AV requires people to not be bad to time it

[jagged pier]

Failed 2 this week to healers

[uneven mason]

I think this is it

[round pendant]

Everyone needs to do their job or you wipe and then you basically can't time it lmao

imo the mobs have too much health

[uneven mason]

Just had people get vaporized in a 14 to the 2nd boss

[round pendant]

skill issue

[inland adder]

Usually that’s cause they’re dumb

[urban bane]

2nd boss in AV?

[uneven mason]

Dracanoid arcane dude

[round pendant]

Isn't that fight like entirely avoidable damage?

[urban bane]

yeh i dont see what's hard about that fight

haha

[uneven mason]

Might've been a heals issue thinking of it

[urban bane]

explosives can be annoying as hell there

[uneven mason]

Pulsing damage during the intermission

[round pendant]

ah I've actually not noticed that because it tickles prot warrior ig

[uneven mason]

Well Yea I wasn't dying

[round pendant]

too busy dodging balls to look at party frame

[uneven mason]

Until I ran out of cd for arcane slash

Legit never struggled in that boss before

[round pendant]

Question, does the first bosses infused strike cleave?

[urban bane]

not to my knowledge

[round pendant]

I wanna tell my healer friend to fly over to me when the slimes spawn

would make aggroing them so much easier

[urban bane]

they dont melee too hard if one or two get loose for a few seconds.

[inland raft]

I like to drag him to the side and clear one side then take the middle with circle which makes everything spawn much closer together and easier to grab

[uneven mason]

This is the method I prefer

Can get 4 tree generally

[inland raft]

Ya sometimes more if placed perfect

[pseudo garden]

I survived a 20 AA bird boss. I've never been more stressed in this game tanking ever.

[uneven mason]

And that damn elemental shaman isn't watching YouTube

[uneven mason]

Must have missed Zul

[pseudo garden]

I didn't tank much in BFA but yes zul was a menace

[inland raft]

Bird boss is def hardest boss this season but theres been rougher for sure

[pseudo garden]

Idk what I could have done different. I think I did like 30k hps. Just absolutely shredded my IP every tick

[inland raft]

Max ip and max rage for each one and cycle defensives as much as csn including externals

[urban bane]

i ran immovable object on a 19 i did and it was p cozy

[cinder nova]

Weird

[uneven mason]

So another funny note, is you Can't clear thundering as the tank?

[deft hazel]

glad I'm dwarf I managed to get 2x fire blood off

[cinder nova]

Were the Prot changes not sent on the official patch?

[uneven mason]

?

[pseudo garden]

I am a dwarf Just feels like the bleed happens way more often than say RLP 2nd boss. I love dwarves

[uneven mason]

It's not in the notes?

[deft hazel]

I kinda like immovable object

[inland raft]

You can its the minmax to actually clear on tank still so a dps can juice longer but you no longer beed to think about it, its not your job to clear someone should come to you if a dps wants to keep it

[cinder nova]

Go check

[inland raft]

I like double wall on academy and temple

The other one everywhere else except sbg/cos where run neither and pick up damage talent

[amber siren]

The patch notes were posted before class tunings

They won't be there

[pseudo garden]

Rank bird rlp 2nd boss and 3rd boss temple on the "clenching my anus" scale

[urban bane]

are these not the notes?

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-january-24/1493634

Or is that just a blue form post and not the "official blog"

[inland raft]

Temple third isnt that bad honestly if you cycle your defensives, if you run out of defensives then dps didnt do their job right and make sure they had cds for p2

[amber siren]

afaik it's just a separate post to the notes for some reason

[inland raft]

There will be official notes when patch goes live that’ll consolidate it all basically

[amber siren]

[pseudo garden]

I'd agree @inland raft id say Bird,Fire girl, Jade boss. No other bosses really frighten me

I remember high key ymir in legion frightened me he hit so fucking hard that's when locks would taunt with infernals to negate the hits lol

[urban bane]

umbrulskul or w/e is annoying as hell

[woven trellis]

I did the bird boss in aa20 yesterday night we killed it but I didn't feel in control of my life is it normal to take that much dmg from this guy?

[urban bane]

but i might just be bad

[pseudo garden]

Umbru is just annoying because tou feel like a ball magnet

[inland raft]

You cycle defensives pool ip and rage and pray its a big healer mechanic too, you just help out as you can

[craggy pilot]

i love when people say their DPS is bad cus of pull size

meanwhile im 44k on tank with the "small pull size"

[lyric elm]

#protection message

[pseudo garden]

Bird is the only boss I just stay in D stance on after the pull and after fire phase

[jagged delta]

hi boys question for M+ what trinket should i use i have Decoration of flame (389)/Rumbling Ruby (389)/Blazebinders hoof (392)/Granyth's Enduring Scale (398)

[woven trellis]

I read that already I've done it right we killed it I am think I just wanted to know if you guys also feel like you're in paper when you're doing it

[craggy pilot]

hoof + ruby, or flame + ruby

depends if you like the playstyle of hoof

[pseudo garden]

What's your gear like? I'm 407 no tier and I felt the same way

[fast knot]

If you use cooldowns and are dropping you have done effectively everything you can

[woven trellis]

407 2p

[jagged delta]

i have all totem of the master at 408

[fast knot]

healers need to realize that tank busters actually fuck

[jagged delta]

so im just trying to look to combo it with something else

[pseudo garden]

So we're about the same

[woven trellis]

It maybe didn't that I was healed by a restoration shaman main dps

[uneven mason]

Major issue is that the DPS tend to fold like wet cardboard

[woven trellis]

Help°

[left hollow]

https://youtu.be/IJoAbRV0Y7g Did this, any coaching? In case I do higher keys.

[uneven mason]

And there are a lot of unavoidable damage mechanics that overlap with tankbusters

[pseudo garden]

I was too! Lol

[woven trellis]

We had one wipe from an explosive

In last phase of the boss

[uneven mason]

Idk why they can't get Rshm right

[inland raft]

Dps need to learn overlaps, bad overlaps with tank busters and group damage is where they should have defensives so the healer can focus more on tank

[uneven mason]

Like literally make their mastery impactful and you have the perfect reactive healer

[left hollow]

This is my prot

[woven trellis]

Ugly

[uneven mason]

First advice, visit the #$@& transmogrification guy

Because damn, just, dayum that's some ugly

[sick sentinel]

brave man to run with that transmog i think

[uneven mason]

That's more ugly than the cover of a rolling stones album

Second, and don't take this the wrong way, but logs would be far more helpful than a video

[steel mauve]

I dont transmog my gear at all, i just wear any mismatched piece i get like a chaotic anarchist

[amber siren]

what a beautiful orc

[sick sentinel]

this transmog, 13% SB uptime in 18's logs, we started this tanking shit, and this is the thanks we get?

[left hollow]

Logs like? Sim logs

[steel mauve]

Warcraft logs

[sick sentinel]

combat logs

[uneven mason]

Combat logs, preferably uploaded to a parser, like warcraft logs

[sick sentinel]

you need 2 parts, loggerhead to automatically seperate and record logs

and WClogs, a windows standalone app

[uneven mason]

Am I the only one that is angry about overwolf

[steel mauve]

They also have an ingame version now if you want from overwolf, but overwolf kinda sucks

[urban bane]

ya; i hate overwolf

[steel mauve]

No, i hate it, i iust have to use it for conve ience because im lazy

[sick sentinel]

you don't NEED loggerhead, but it sure as FUCK makes logging easier in long run and you will save tons of headaches

[left hollow]

does details count?

[sick sentinel]

no

not even close

someone help explain how we can see individual blocked attacks

[uneven mason]

Details ironically, is lacking thereof

[sick sentinel]

or wasted rage

[slow fractal]

Dumb question and new to the class, should you actually be switching stances during M+? I’ve been doing baby keys and getting by just being on combat stance

Is combat stance that broken?

[uneven mason]

Situationally

[flint grove]

B stance most of the time

[round pendant]

no reason to defensive stance

[flint grove]

D stance is more of a oh shit I fucked up and pulled an extra 3 packs

[sick sentinel]

no addons is step 0, you just playin regular ass wow, details/dbm/weak auras is step 1, logging is step 3

[uneven mason]

Like low keys, never need defensive

[sick sentinel]

logging you, and we can see EVERYTHING about the fight

[flint grove]

I mean all keys you don’t really need defensive outside of select instances

[left hollow]

I thought Defensive stance was the go to for prot warriors

[round pendant]

hell naw

[uneven mason]

Like tankbusters bird in AA is good example

[sick sentinel]

depends how much danger you are about to be in

[left hollow]

Can orc prot warriors even look good?

[uneven mason]

We smash

[uneven mason]

I'ma come back to this

[sick sentinel]

so on hyrja, in halls of valor, she does a knockback "shield of light" i think its called

[uneven mason]

Because that's a challenge

[round pendant]

Point yourself at the other side ezpz

[sick sentinel]

and i cant avoid that attack it locks on to me, and it also does a fuck load of DMG, 327k lethal in a 13 i think

[round pendant]

defensive

it doesn't hurt that bad

[toxic gyro]

That’s when you use defensives

[sick sentinel]

so, i NEED to put something up, or not get hit , or be healed to 90%

[round pendant]

I feel like ignore pain is good enough ngl

but yeah add a defensive if it hurts that bad

[sick sentinel]

i do defensive stance on that now if i have no SW/SR

[round pendant]

Press IV to assist healing

[dapper shuttle]

Spell block first one SW second and call for an external for the 3rd hope for the best

[toxic gyro]

Spell reflect + dstance + ip should be more than enough on lower keys

[modern brook]

Huh

[round pendant]

On lower keys you don't need anything but IP to survive that attack, it does fuck all

[slow fractal]

Thanks all

[round pendant]

I did a 13 Tyrannical HoV and I didn't even pay attention to the beam

I just did my usual stuff

[sick sentinel]

i know that there is a set path to how the fuckin gold balls go out so you can avoid each time 100%

but, i am for lack of a better term, retarded, when it comes to those mechanics

[toxic gyro]

After the change, dodging balls is super easy

[sick sentinel]

as soon as i need to focus on even 1 more thing, i fuck it up

its not that i dont want to, its that i CANT

[left hollow]

I use shield charge and stormbolt to stun trash

[toxic gyro]

If you can’t do it, move away few yards and lose on bit of dps

[modern brook]

Dodge the first one, stand where it crossed with max melee range, then dodge the last

[inland raft]

If you dont trust yourself at pattern just stand out

[sick sentinel]

i always get distracted by some bullshit, (usually thundering)

and then GG, i take balls

[left hollow]

Y'all use shield charge?

[sick sentinel]

yes, very

[round pendant]

Thundering + balls is a painful overlap

[toxic gyro]

You don’t have to clear as tank anymore

[sick sentinel]

ssssshhiiieeeellldddd cccchhhhaargrggggeee!!!! (one of the lost vikings in new dungeons)

[toxic gyro]

As long as the rest of the group clears

[sick sentinel]

oooooff me head

[inland raft]

Yup no more cleaving group, if dont get cleared then rest of group are the fuckups

Ideally someone still vomes and clears on tank as better to leave a dps wirh full duration but not something bother with as a tank now

[sick sentinel]

is there remove stuns and whatever potions available on AH

i know there was in SL for sure, not sure about BFA

[undone verge]

The most annoying thing about thundering is mechanic overlap which you can pretty much not do anything about, or when it goes off outside of combat

[modern brook]

It doesn't go off outside of combat

[sick sentinel]

i'd much rather thundering that prideful

[inland raft]

Prideful was better

[sick sentinel]

or i think whatever season 2 was, i cant remember that one well

no

[round pendant]

Wth they nerfed HoV?

[sick sentinel]

wrong, factually wrong

[inland raft]

Both were bad

But prideful def was better

[undone verge]

Prideful could have been so much better if it’s spawns we’re % based

[sick sentinel]

NO

i very disagree

[cinder nova]

Already up and they're missing

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23892227/dragonflight-1005-content-update-notes#item4

[inland raft]

Infested>thundering>prideful from worst to third worst affixes

[spring scarab]

[amber siren]

Again, that was posted before the class changes were announced

[cinder nova]

They'll probably update them, but not the first time they roll bean stuff on a snap choice

[amber siren]

They'll be updated when the patch is live

[full sierra]

Can prot warriors spell block Shield of Light from Hyrja?

[inland raft]

Yes

[cinder nova]

I'd put Thundering a lot lower. It's bad because it's kinda boring, imo

[modern brook]

Th...they were

[undone verge]

n’t

My phone autocorrects it sometimes

[modern brook]

[modern brook]

I'm fine with that tbh

[inland raft]

I played in a regular group back then so maybe impacts my biew a little, if a route got fd and prideful would spawn mid pull usually just organized ccs

[modern brook]

U end up with emissaries when you try and be too cute

Just give me a mechanic and a damage buff

[inland raft]

Or just pulled something off route that would be easier and adjusted if possible

[undone verge]

Prideful was a bitch when someone would ass pull a mob and throw off %, then you gotta do math in your head to figure out how to tune pridefull so it doesn’t spawn in a really bad spot

But I liked the buff and the miniboss. I enjoyed that aspect

[steep condor]

can someone provide me with some help on rotation to maximise dps while tanking in keys? I did a key with a prot warrior who avg'd 40k dps! I just did half of that myself. Ok his gear was a lot better than mine but still, double the dps is crazy to me.

i know for a fact im not optimising

[sand mason]

Are you sitting in battle stance?

[toxic gyro]

Check the guide in the pins, make sure you run m+ build and follow rotation

[sand mason]

Is your talents aligned with the recommended build?

[steep condor]

im in defensive stance

[sand mason]

Go battle stance

[steep condor]

hmm ok - when do you switch back to defensive?

[oak heart]

you dont

[steep condor]

oooh

ok

s

i will check pins for rotation and then try battle stance

[sand mason]

When your healer is dead and your soloing packs and out of defensive cool downs basically