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sick sentinel
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yes, i too am very curious to see a 13% sb log

forest bay
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Hid his name cause I don't wanna out the guy anywhere but it just blows my mind

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And he only died once, cause he stood in a swirly

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I honestly expected him to have super high IP uptime but it's still under like 70%

warm plinth
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Imagine having more uptime on Shield Wall than Shield Block

forest bay
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RIGHT?

warm plinth
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He did spike a lot though

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sick sentinel
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rage capper?

warm plinth
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He wasted some but not a crazy amount

sick sentinel
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or what am i looking at here, assuming HP or rage

warm plinth
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He's not pressing buttons though

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43 cpm

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that's HP

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in the pic

sick sentinel
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tell this guy

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hit

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your

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buttons

fallen pulsar
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is the guild interface/chat broken in game? Mine doesn't come up at all

warm plinth
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He wasted like...400 or 500 rage over the course of the dungeon

sick sentinel
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he needs to hit all of his rage generating abilities, and spend rage on SB or IP or revenge

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explain how this works with anger mastery to give him more avatars and more SW's

pallid quiver
warm plinth
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Considering his lack of fundamental knowledge, I doubt this guy cares. Besides, this log is like third hand. No one is gonna do anything with feedback anyway 😂

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This was a key that the guy who shared the log was watching his friend do so it's not like he's gonna pass on the feedback I'd imagine

forest bay
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Yeah I need to specify I don't have contact with the guy - I purely have come here to try and figure out how the fuck he lived without dedicated healer support

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like my friend is a disc priest, he ain't gonna be tank healing and honestly he said he didn't really need to

warm plinth
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He has like

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13 casts of Demo shout or something, and he's running Thunderlord

fallen pulsar
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idk, probably sat in dstance (jumping into this convo late)

pallid quiver
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You simply CD the scary hits and the rest gets taken care of

I haven't looked at the log, but that's the basic

warm plinth
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That'd be low af even without TL

arctic marten
warm plinth
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WAIT

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He's using Battering Ram but NOT Champion's Resolve

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What is this guy

warm plinth
sick sentinel
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if hes hitting NO OTHER BUTTONS at all, he should be hitting shield slam, thunderclap (revenge if nothing is killing him) SB for melee, ip for magic (fire shadow, bleed? etc)

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charge when he can

forest bay
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I'm thinking since most of the bosses don't really auto much in AV, he could just be getting carried by the fact that it's tyr this week

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like on a fort week you just fall over with these buff uptimes

warm plinth
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He got pretty hard carried by Immovable Object and Shield Wall too

sick sentinel
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oh, he's one of those guys

arctic marten
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You know what, you've inspired me to try running a dungeon with no Shield Block uptime, just to experience it

warm plinth
pastel sleet
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i just downloaded a WA that tells me when an incoming cast is reflectable. are there any major spell reflect baits i should be aware of? of just reflect on cd

sick sentinel
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YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT

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you think you do, but you dont

warm plinth
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Just reflect on CD if magic is happening. There's a few boss mechanics that you should use it on but there's not a huge amount of conflict.

forest bay
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Also I just noticed he's using immovable object

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what

pastel sleet
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ty

errant lark
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are we always meant to wait for avatar to be up before using ravager/thunderous roar?

warm plinth
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Yeah that's what I'm saying; he's getting carried

warm plinth
sick sentinel
errant lark
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ok ty

sick sentinel
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unseen specimen

warm plinth
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If it's a few seconds then you can hold it but generally it's not worth holding

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Unless there's a burst phase coming up or something

forest bay
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Ok well I appreciate you guys showing me I'm not fucking crazy

warm plinth
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lol, you are indeed not crazy

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That was fun though; thanks for sharing

forest bay
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I wish this man the best of luck in his future M+ endeavors - how short they may be

warm plinth
sick sentinel
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when you play Immovable object

forest bay
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Ok I know that convo kinda wrapped up but I went to look at stance uptime

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BRO DIDN'T HAVE A STANCE ON

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WHOLE DUNGEON

warm plinth
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Nah you can't judge that

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Stances don't show up in logs unless you cast the Stance during the log

forest bay
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ooooh

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ok

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I was losing my mind ngl

warm plinth
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Yeah the first time I saw a log like that, I thought the same thing. But then realized that no logs were showing it. Or they'd randomly show a stance halfway through.

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I just don't think the combat log reports your stance unless it sees an actual cast event, so the log has no way of knowing which one was active. You'd think it would show as a buff but 🤷

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Blizz spaghetti code

errant lark
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anyone else wish they'd increase duration of the 2 piece Vanguard's Determination? 5 secs feels a little short and sometimes I feel like I have to revenge even though it may not be optimal

forest bay
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yeah that actually makes sense to me, I was thinking they look for the buff being added/removed

forest bay
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you don't need 100% uptime on it

urban portal
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5 seconds is fine

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its like 4/5 gcds

median tulip
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4 with 20%+ Haste
5 would require 50%+ I think

arctic marten
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Couldn't even feel a difference

sick sentinel
arctic marten
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Shield Charge gives Revenge, though. Too much value there

sick sentinel
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we demand true 0% sb uptime

analog marlin
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in phase 3 of raszagath when you get the blue and red marks, does heroic leap trigger the red and blue hitting each other if you heroic leap over?

harsh light
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What routes, or what's the best way to get hella more time in HoV? Seeing some people 2 key 21s/22s

slim dove
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lmao these hov nerfs

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God-King Skovald

Is now less verbose when stating his claim to the Aegis of Aggramar.

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this is actually a warcrime, i want somebodies head on a stick.

warm plinth
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Other guy did a +17 lol

sick sentinel
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whats next good tyranical free keys week

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and what affix tommorow or weekly event

mighty valley
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sir this is a +9 at 413 ilvl

glacial eagle
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is glacial fury the best flask for damage in raid?

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single target

sand pebble
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what? glacial fury is the worst phial for st because it requires new targets to hit for stacks

sick sentinel
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i woukd say versa

glacial eagle
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why does everyone with top parses use it hmm

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and no you don't need a new target for glacial to work

sand pebble
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for stacks

glacial eagle
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it works better but still like 3% of total damage

sand pebble
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Phial of Glacial Fury
Embracing the inner snowstorm. Dealing damage has a chance to unleash a blast of 1687 Frost damage split between nearby enemies, increased by 15% per stack of Glacial Fury. Stacks of Glacial Fury are gained by attacking new targets.

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great for bosses with fresh mobs to hit, kinda meh on terros for example

glacial eagle
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i understand but from a damage perspective it still seems to be the highest damage

mighty valley
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this is simmable fwiw

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i can imagine that even on low target fights it might be better than like, tepid vers anyway, just since tanks generally get better dmg out of flat damage procs than secondary buffs

glacial eagle
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i figured it had to due with our high haste

mighty valley
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there's also just not a lot of true st fights in this raid

sand pebble
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i figured that people are using it because its best overall via trash and bosses with adds/fresh mobs to gain stacks that its not worth swapping to vers or elemental chaos for the 1 boss is meh on

mighty valley
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i doubt anyone's optimizing trash damage but yeah, it's also not like many guilds are hard stuck on terros

glacial eagle
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i would normally agree but when everyone in top 20 damage parses had it I figured it had to just be the best dmg

sand pebble
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as in put multiple phialsd on for raid not not optimizing per boss fight

dusky canopy
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Any of you gamers have a screenshot for heroic brood egg route?

sand pebble
mighty valley
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literal top parses typically come from tanks with guilds willing to optimize around them getting that big parse

dusky canopy
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Thanks guy!

mighty valley
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we saw a lot of really sus prot warriors in the top parses in SL just because it matters more that your guild is warping their strat around your damage output

hollow zephyr
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what are the best items to upgrade with valor?

sand pebble
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pi and wft for the tank group

sand pebble
dusky canopy
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Big dan

hollow zephyr
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ty

dusky canopy
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is that screen your own?

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or is that the common strat?

sand pebble
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no

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someone linked it to guild discord and it worked perfect

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not sure where it came from tbh

dusky canopy
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kk thanks again!

glacial eagle
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(for damage)

mighty valley
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lots of "top players" don't really do a ton of research

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they're too busy playing

open gazelle
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Just found out sidearm does no fing damage

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I dropped it for intim shout

sand pebble
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It does dam

wanton cave
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i also have the item to upgrade the crafted shield, i was wondering would it be worth doing the upgrade on the item?

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cedar trench
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wait for ur vault first tbh

grim grotto
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would u pref that ring just for max dps, or even on ur highest keys ?

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tender quartz
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Aight so Lobbying FIre Nova on Rank 6 does like 2.5% Overall...

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Do I try training Haste?

pulsar sedge
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Uhh, fire nova?

tender quartz
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From the Ruby Welp Shell

pulsar sedge
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Oh gotcha

tender quartz
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I guess that hype was bait :D

pulsar sedge
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;D

warm plinth
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The trinket is bugged

tender quartz
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Source

warm plinth
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For some reason it has a very very low proc chance during the first minute of combat

mighty valley
warm plinth
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That's why it performs so shit in keys compared to what sims say it should

grim grotto
brisk flax
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Those nerfs coming tomorrow

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mighty valley
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what's your other ring?

inner halo
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So is Ruby Whelp Shell not worth using then if its bugged? Just got it and trying to figure if its worth it, and if so, which proc .

grim grotto
warm plinth
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Idk, your call. I'm just sharing what I've been told

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The best proc is the ST one though

digital frigate
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I am glad they got rid of the rp

warm plinth
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so what does the RP entail now?

trim bay
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is their a talent we can use to counter the claw ability on wolf in HoV

open gazelle
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@sand pebble it did less than 2% of my damage for a while dungeon

trim bay
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dsiregard

warm plinth
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Yes, it's the patch 10.0.5 ability

trim bay
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intervene

warm plinth
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🙂

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Intervene is for Scent of Blood

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I thought you were talking about the wolf trash

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Claw Frenzy is a group soak

trim bay
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kk

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ty

sand pebble
ripe pawn
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so dumb question maybe but, how yall feel about the BV and fueled by violence talents. I been feeling like fueled could be something in the future

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like it did 8.4% of my dps in a key which was 3.24m which i would of healer 85 percent of it. Ignore pain did 8m

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with talents

warm plinth
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You would heal 15% of that*

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Brutal Vitality is the play. Even moreso if you have the 4pc tier set, which everyone will before too long.

sand pebble
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fbv only works when you have taken damage, it does no overhealing and cant crit

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bv is pretty awesome esp with tier

onyx vessel
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Me the 3p enjoyer critcake

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4 weeks

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Now ill get it in my vault copium

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Downside of being on the most commonly played tier set sadge

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Every group is 50% our tier or more

tall flare
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hello guys quick prot question , is Shield of the Hearth worth crafting over a normal one which is called primal molten defender

onyx vessel
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Takes up a embellishments slot

wintry jetty
onyx vessel
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Warrior rogue monk envoker

tall flare
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@onyx vessel i know so is it worth it or ur saying there are better embalishements ?

onyx vessel
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Monk tank isnt super common nor is healing monk

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Yeah

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Reflect helm from pvp frostfire belt if you have fire rings from raid

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Lariat

tall flare
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ok so i craft the normal shield then i suppose ?

onyx vessel
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It is a good shield tho

tall flare
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depends how often does it proc

onyx vessel
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I would just craft normal shield if your rich or do alot of keys the alch embellishment doesnt use a slot

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100k+ for it tho

tall flare
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is that the potion one or the food buff one

onyx vessel
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Makes food buff last 2hrs and dont lose it on death

tall flare
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the food buff that last through death is really handy

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yep thats the one

onyx vessel
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Yeah hence its over 100k

tall flare
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alotta gold

onyx vessel
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So is crafting gear alloys 1.2k

tall flare
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i just bought rank 2 ones they are around 600 gold

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primal molten alloys i need 15 for the shield

onyx vessel
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Not going for max quality greenbear

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I can craft my own gladge

tall flare
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too much gold for rank 3 fuck that , also if ur skill is high enough rank 2 should be enough i think

trim bay
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i just did a hov. and the healer was very sure a prot warrior can do an ability that stops claw frenzy

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or do we leap out before it and take the hit by our selfs?

warm plinth
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Going for max quality is bait anyway

warm plinth
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You'd spend half the fight not touching the boss

trim bay
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ok. i was just making sure i wasnt doing it very wrong

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yea

warm plinth
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Nope. The only mechanic we can "stop" is Scent of Blood with Intervene.

onyx vessel
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Me who wastes 10k on recraft to hit same quality

warm plinth
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You're increasing the chance of a proc but you're better off just finding someone who'll do free recrafts and just slam some cheap recrafts until it procs

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The difference isn't huge

onyx vessel
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Thats me for shields

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Now but i dont feel like wasting 7k to make it 405

weary stump
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im sure this has been asked but are we going to be ok after the nerf? XD or do i need to go back to pally

trim bay
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ok and 1 more dumb ass question probably. second boss in hov, when shield of light is casted, does the damage increase each time its cast?

warm plinth
warm plinth
onyx vessel
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No nerfs can stop the prot war train gladge

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Blame naowh doing a 5 peices 20

weary stump
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i didnt think so reading it, but one of those super knowledgeable people were like its gonna be like 20% less reduction

onyx vessel
warm plinth
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kek

cloud umbra
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i mean he did something similar with the monk haha

onyx vessel
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Doomer CCs

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Doesnt know how math works

warm plinth
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math big hard

ionic fern
warm plinth
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hi Mwahi ily

ionic fern
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Good morning.

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How are you?

warm plinth
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I'm doing okay. Hopefully a good night at work tonight hmmNod

ionic fern
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Hope so too.

warm plinth
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Looking forward to patch tomorrow deswind

wintry anvil
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First boss of AV.... Any tips for picking up all the adds?

ionic fern
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Hold some CD's if needed / Shocking Disclosure pot / AoE taunt.

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Don't use them all at once obviously.

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You can also AoE stun as they spawn to make it slightly easier.

sleek rock
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Heroic raid loot quest tomorrow?

young mango
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@wintry anvil make sure the groups moves up to the Boss so you eighter can masstaunt or aggro trash with ravenger dragon roar and so on.

wintry anvil
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Thanks! issue is, when they do that, they kept getting stomped on 😦

mighty valley
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Well

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They do have legs

young mango
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Idk but the stomp is doing dmg to the group if im Not missing something , they get dmg from it regardless of their Position. Or is this the small aoe around the Boss ? If so then weil its not ur fault

tender cove
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Long as i only overcap during cd bursts, such as pull, thats considered fine right?

tender cove
cold pollen
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there is no achievement when completing all 20s ?

naive panther
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I got all my 418s with r2 materials, just took a try or two, or three with belt

warm plinth
warm plinth
# cold pollen there is no achievement when completing all 20s ?

The achievement for "20s" is Keystone Hero, which is achieveable with 17s/18s because they didn't raise the score requirement to account for the bonus score after +10. There are still Keystone Hero achievements for each individual dungeon for timing it on +20 that gives the teleport.

maiden stag
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I started leveling a warrior, giving into the fotm and I see nerfs on the horizon, but that's ok because I'm having fun.

I was looking over wowhead and the talent "into the fray" is taken over the shield slam/shield block talent. Are you able to maintain 100% on shield block without that talent or does the haste buff make it happen either way?

warm plinth
maiden stag
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Interesting. I could be wrong, but the m+ section said to use into the fray as well. I'll look more into it, given your suggestion

warm plinth
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It also says to use Barbaric Training iirc which is also a bad idea

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The wowhead guide is not up to snuff this season imo

maiden stag
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Alright. I'll look at raider.io then. Thank you

warm plinth
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There are builds for both raid and M+ in the pins

maiden stag
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Right on, thanks

tender cove
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And if you delay any? you offsync stuff

maiden stag
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What's the average CD on Avatar and Shield Wall with the cdr from anger management and impenetrable wall?

tender cove
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about a minute for shield wall. Not sure about avatar. I've heard people saying its below 45 secs

lofty widget
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30-40 for avatar

lofty widget
limpid anchor
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Last stand?

lofty widget
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old habit lol

tender cove
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no ravager?

lofty widget
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i pre-throw before pull

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so it lands on 0

tender cove
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fair enough, i do that at times to

foggy ruin
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has anyone ever had the bug where hyrja instantly does beam

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on pull before the storm

limpid anchor
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Yea

foggy ruin
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is that caused by something or just bad luck

limpid anchor
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Since then I always instantly turn her around

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Idk only happend once

foggy ruin
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just bricked a key cuz of it :/

vestal torrent
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is what I've found

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so you can really only pull her to the ghost of the storm guy first

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any further away risks instant shield

solar shadow
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i am playing prot warr for M+, should i open my vault as DPS for trinkets like Whetstone etc?

vestal torrent
solar shadow
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Already have crafted Wep, eng bracer, unstable frost belt, lariat

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I need trinkets

vestal torrent
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offensive or tank trinkets

solar shadow
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Uh, i have an all totem which is more of an offensive trinket from what I can see

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I don't think tank trinkets have much value in m+

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correct me if i'm wrong tho

lofty widget
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all totem is bis defensively too

vestal torrent
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meh idk i like decoration of flame in m+

solar shadow
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Dec of flame seems like a strong middle ground

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both def and off

jagged pier
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Its not a def trinket

vestal torrent
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it's good for starting pulls

solar shadow
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pretty easy to get from raid tho

jagged pier
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Its a dps trinket

solar shadow
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it gives a shield no? it has defensive capabilities

errant lark
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Are we meant to always shield slam for violent outburst procs? is there a certain mob count in mythic+ where we should use thunder clap instead for violent outburst? or always SS for it

jagged pier
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1 application of the shield is less than / the same as 1 IP usage

solar shadow
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I see

jagged pier
errant lark
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ok ty

vestal torrent
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can anyone else chime in on the hyrja question tho

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i've had the instant shield of light only once, when i ranged her a bit long on pull

solar shadow
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realisticalyl im probably taking tier if i get it so /shrug

vestal torrent
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don't forget the catalyst comes out tomorrow too

solar shadow
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yup

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thats why i got my prot war leveled up

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have been healing as prevoker mostly around 2.8k

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tanking is a blast tho

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quite a bit less stress than healing

potent harbor
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Guys q, why top prot m+ wars Are all dwarfs?

tender cove
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racial

potent harbor
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Alliance ofc

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Ye ofc racial but Is it So important

tender cove
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the ability to negate the only thing we truly suck at?

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up to each and their own i guess.

vestal torrent
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Must be important

solar shadow
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the only other really strong option is warstomp and arcane torrent, Warrriors dont really need the extra stun from warstomp and also we don't really have rage issues

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this makes dwarf stand clearly ahead of the other options

potent harbor
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In m planning to do 20+ keys Will it be So important for me being Dwarf? I just started week one And i dont see So many bleed stuff etc but ye dont know

solar shadow
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not to mention there are many fights where its out right cracked, Bird boss, tree boss, fenyr, etc

vestal torrent
solar shadow
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i wouldn't say it's neccesary no

lofty widget
vestal torrent
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But it's not strictly necessary

solar shadow
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RLP 2nd boss is a bleed effect

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if you arent pushing world 1sts, it's not a requirement

woeful trellis
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It’s not worth the money/gold 😁

solar shadow
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you need to understand when looking at top 10-20 playrs that they would do anything even if it meant an 0.1% increase

vestal torrent
potent harbor
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I mean Will it make huge diff in 22key fór example if im night elf fem or dwarfo?

vestal torrent
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yes

potent harbor
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Ill not do 27 ofc

solar shadow
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it can, entirely depends on the key

lofty widget
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no it wont

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nelf let's you skip a few mechanics as well btw

solar shadow
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eg RLP 2nd boss having stoneskin is gigantic

lofty widget
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3rd boss TJS comes to mind

tender cove
vestal torrent
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removing bleed for AA bird boss is so good

solar shadow
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if you also have say an evoker, you can negate the large majority of the hardest tank mechanic on that boss

vestal torrent
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high level keys

potent harbor
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Okay And více versa q Aš Dwarf off spec Arms in fine?

solar shadow
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the thing about stoneskin is it brings flexibility, e.g. if your preservation evoker has used cauterize and dilate, you may normally shield wall a savage peck on the bird boss

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if youre a dwarf, you now have another oppourtunity to use shield wall instead of that peck as you have stoneskined it

warm plinth
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idk about a large majority but you can remove some. It applies every like 16-18 seconds, evoker ability has 1 min CD, dwarf CD is 2 min

tender cove
solar shadow
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some bosses will have a window that would require another CD or spam tank heals, Bird boss being a great one

potent harbor
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I see i mean im dwarf from lore i was just curious why So many dwarfs So Its rly good news

solar shadow
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youd have to last stand or rally or spam hella IP to survive, but with stoneskin, you now have a smooth rotation for the entire fight that is consistent and reliable

potent harbor
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Is there some spread sheet where u can use SS? Like all dungs all mobs/bosses?

tender cove
solar shadow
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Dwarf is pretty much the best for every class it can be played as in m+

potent harbor
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Cool cool guys ty

solar shadow
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Its a very solid racial

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not to make light of other racials, Warstomp is great, Berserking and Blood Fury are great

marble cipher
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panda bis, cause fluffyness

solar shadow
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it just turns out that having an extra stop or more damage is unlikely the difference maker for these pro. teams, where as a dispel can have a larger impact

lofty widget
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warstomp is pretty bad cause all it does is drs mobs unnecesarrily

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when we have 3-4 stops already

solar shadow
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i mean, arguable, if it stops your party from dieing, it's infintely strong

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as warrior, it's less strong, for sure

vestal torrent
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imps in CoS it's ncie to have 3 aoe ints

median tulip
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None of the racials are really that impactful

vestal torrent
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if your party is like

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asleep

solar shadow
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the best argument against warstomp is that you shouldn't need it if you have a well balanced composition

vestal torrent
solar shadow
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Stoneskin provides a benefit that can't be gained elsewhere

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which is what makes it very powerful

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Sure, there are dispels for bleeds on some healers, but they have long CDs

tender cove
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didnt someone mention you'd spec out of shockwave or stormbolt (or both, cant remember) if you have like a rogue or smt comp?

solar shadow
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I can't imagine speccing out of shockwave in any scenario but stormbolt could be very possible

vestal torrent
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i'll spec out of bolt if i want inspiring pres

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and we have a few stuns

solar shadow
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id also add that the decision to remove those talents is highly dungeon + route specific

vestal torrent
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yeah feels like it's super situational

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i like inspiring on places like NO

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or CoS

solar shadow
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im fairly new to prot warrior but I have been healing a ton of high keys and I would be pretty shocked if my tank did not have shockwave

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that would feel detrimental to my party in 99% of cases

potent harbor
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And ye yesterday i tanked 17 academy in 390 gear and it was so good as prot warr

woeful trellis
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A prot w/o schockwave in a pug is not a prot

potent harbor
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Even with that lowilvl

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Feels super strong

solar shadow
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i feel like you never take damage if playing correct, regardless of ilvl

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tanking like 15 key in 360 ilvl and i feel invincible

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other than outside of like, large pulls where a CD is required or boss mechanics/tank busters

potent harbor
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I mean i took half hp tbs but victory rush and full and double shield wall And bolster immortal

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@solar shadow guess its party comp thing?

solar shadow
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what do you mean?

potent harbor
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Shockwave

solar shadow
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I would argue its a neccessity

marble cipher
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often, but not if it would be stun DR'ing all the time

solar shadow
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Like, what individual talent provides more of a benefit for 1pt than shockwave in m+

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thats the question to ask

potent harbor
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I see So many prot wars without it this week on raider io

solar shadow
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maybe its a sanguine related thing

marble cipher
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Any single point is better than shockwave if you can never cast it during the dungeon

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though, that should almost never happen, just in theory 😄

solar shadow
#

Again it's hard to look at say Nerftank and then extrapolate it to your own play, when he has a team of 4 other pros he has been playing with for 4+ years or whatever

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They use very specific strategies and talents to push specific keys that are pushing the barrier of whats possible

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generally mapping out every stop and kick before they even drop their keystone

potent harbor
#

What u think btw about bloodborn talent i want it So much but dont have points for it fór next week Its literály 15 percent overall dmg increase in high packs or somethin like that

solar shadow
#

sounds like its strong in that scenario

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dungeons like NO or AA would benefit from that kind of thing considering their pack size

potent harbor
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Since bleeds do like 35 percent of our dmg

amber siren
#

bloodborne isn't worth the investment

solar shadow
#

it depends what you are trading the talent for

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like yes, you may be gaining fat AOE DPS but what are you giving up in return

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and is that DPS you gain the difference maker in timing the key

potent harbor
#

I mean with weak bosses u can sacrifice bolster or double shield wall dont know?

mighty valley
#

bloodborne isn't fat, is the thing

lofty widget
solar shadow
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totally depends on your key stone vs gear level ratio too

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an undergeared tank may have to wall in a scenario where an overgeared one can just IP thru it

amber siren
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if youre over gearing content you could run any talents and it wouldn't matter

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bloodborne needs 2 points to make it average

potent harbor
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@lofty widget im watching details after each dung And my bleeds Always do third of my dmg

amber siren
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which is 2 points too many

solar shadow
#

I think 30-35% is reasonable no? Thunderous roar, deep wounds, rend

potent harbor
#

Ye

solar shadow
#

but two talent points is alot

mighty valley
#

here's a smb 20 breakdown

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lofty widget
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should be closer to 20-25, anyways bloodbourne is 1.5 % dps per point

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so not worth the investment

solar shadow
#

SMB not super relevant to his question in this case

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He asked about dungeons with large packs

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AA, NO, etc

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maybe even HOV

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However, The only other 2 talent point selection thats taken is Shield Spec, which relatively is wildly stronger than bloodbourne

vestal torrent
#

can people settle something about HoV for me - does intervene work/worth taking for fenrir scent of blood? i've tried it once and it worked, tried it again the same pull and it didnt work

solar shadow
#

you're either trading off ST damage or surviability for extra bleed damage which I dont think would ever be worth it

potent harbor
#

I mean next week Is forti and bolster isnt it rly Worth

amber siren
vestal torrent
amber siren
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They have to be next to you though

solar shadow
amber siren
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So if theyre zipping around they'll outrange

mighty valley
#

i don't think it's worth it for that one fight tbh but depends on what you're dropping I guess

vestal torrent
#

ohhh

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that's what it was

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makes sense thanks chief

amber siren
vestal torrent
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DH definitely dashed across the boss probably broke range

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warlock did not do that

potent harbor
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@solar shadow not ať my pc to see talent tree but i would trade boss survability fór it

solar shadow
#

you mentioned trading off x2 shield wall or the CD reduction, those are just as important for boss survability as they are for trash

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especially on fortified

potent harbor
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Like double shield wall/impe wall

solar shadow
#

you cant pull the big packs you want to bloodbourne DPS without shield wall

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on fort

amber siren
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if youre taking bloodborne where exactly are you getting points from?

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there's not a whole lot of wiggle room in the middle of the tree

potent harbor
#

Well ye i didnt do forti just my first week but war Feels So strong on mobs

warm plinth
#

Bleeds should not be doing 35% of your overall damage. Even with Bloodborne.

amber siren
mighty valley
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it's just such a tiny gain per point, dropping two genuinely good talents to get a miniscule aoe dps gain is something you'd only do if there were some dps checks you really needed to make

solar shadow
#

lets say hypothetically you decide to drop something from the right side, say Punish and Tough as Nails/Spell block

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you probably lose DPS just from dropping tough as nails

lofty widget
#

tough as nails is the same dmg as 2 points in bloodbourne

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so yeah, its never worth the investment

potent harbor
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@mighty valley if i do 70mil dmg overall And bleeds does 20-25 then 20 percent more Is another 5mil which Is 7-8percent overall dmg

solar shadow
#

there's no way you drop ravager, or Champions BUlwark, so won't even consider those. Thunderlord is a possibility, and maybe the best choice

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SHow of Force is another option, but you have to chose between that or Thunderlord regardless

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you're never not running shield charge

potent harbor
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And i play show of fórce with that

mighty valley
#

those are optimistic numbers and still cut it in half for the gain per talent point

solar shadow
#

with your idea in mind, trading boss durability for DPS, you probably drop 2 of the three
choose 1 -- Thunderlord or Show of Force
2) Punish

warm plinth
#

You're assuming you're playing perfectly when you're stating these percentages. Percentage gains are meaningless because you're not playing in a vacuum. If I suck at pressing Revenge, then naturally my bleeds are going to show as a higher percentage because I'm doing less of my damage with Revenge.

solar shadow
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you lose significant shield slam damage, which is your #1 dmg ability, which negates some of the bloodbourne DPS gain

potent harbor
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@mighty valley I dont know Okay i play one week but already did like 40 dungs or 50 dungs And after each i check my bleeds And i do up to 30-35 percent from bleeds ,rend And two dot bleeds

sick sentinel
#

guys

solar shadow
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what level keys are you running atm?

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This is a good discussion

sick sentinel
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dwarf or darkiron dwarf

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and why is everyone going dwarf

solar shadow
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Stoneskin is great

potent harbor
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Only way u can say maybe bad rot? I do around 35k overall dps with 395ilvl

mortal brook
lofty widget
amber siren
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dwarves being cute detective

lofty widget
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think reg dwarf is more dmg tho, not that it matters

warm plinth
#

Do you guys know what can really tell you if it's worth playing Bloodborne or not

solar shadow
#

Unfortuantely there isn't too much room in the prot tree to wiggle around

warm plinth
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If you sim it

amber siren
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I don't trust the numbers, I can feel it out hmmNod

solar shadow
#

Id imagine there is definitely some breakpoint of targets where bloodbourne pulls ahead

amber siren
#

Bloodborne 50% DPS increase hmmNod

solar shadow
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but its not worth the loss of utility/very niche

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and chances are, you aren't constantly bashing on 8-10 targets even in dungeons like AA/NO

mortal brook
amber siren
solar shadow
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you could drop Indomitable and Punish

potent harbor
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@solar shadow im bashing max 5 this week since pugs can't do explo, i do keys around 17-18 im checking details each dung end And my bleeds Always 30-35

mortal brook
#

theres not a single peacock in that picture

solar shadow
potent harbor
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@solar shadow rest Is simple math in my head Its 7-8 dps Inc with two points

solar shadow
#

I am not convinced it's worth dropping 2 talents that provide more overall utility AND some damage too

warm plinth
#

Again, percentages are not worth anything when you're attempting to compare things.

lofty widget
solar shadow
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At the end of the day, you are there to tank things, you have DPS to to DPS

amber siren
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that sun flower and awful mog is definite peacock

inner hound
#

You're playing wrong if bleeds do that much damage. You should link a log for some pointers instead of arguing for a bad talent

amber siren
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cant't convince me otherwise

solar shadow
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your survability has much higher value than your DPS

warm plinth
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Even with Bloodborne, your bleeds should not be doing 30-35% of your damage.

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Which means you are doing something wrong.

lofty widget
solar shadow
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lets say, hypothetically those surviability talents allows you to chain 1 extra pack or do a double pull you couldnt without t hem, well, you just lost all the extra time you gained from your bloodbourne DPS

mental scarab
#

Is it only me or Do the bird boss in academy slap like a train sadge the other bosses dont even move my hp, that bleed is dumb

warm plinth
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He does indeed

solar shadow
warm plinth
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Birds in DF stronger than the dragons

lofty widget
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only fun boss in the rotation

vestal torrent
#

can confirm

mental scarab
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No one mistake and you are deadcritcake

warm plinth
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idk bird is actually quite boring. Getting hit hard doesn't make it fun or engaging.

mental scarab
#

Im the healer in that fight tbh

solar shadow
#

not so bad with evoker healer

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every like, 4th peck is scary and needs IP spam

vestal torrent
#

just be a dwarf hopium

solar shadow
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between roar/last stand being up, ez

mental scarab
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@vestal torrent dark iron gang

cloud umbra
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being a dwarf is nice and all for 1 of the 500 pecks

solar shadow
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with evk healer i usually wall first --> cauterize --> time dilation --> roar for the 4th screech which lines up with peck --> pop fire phase

mental scarab
#

Last 20% of the boss my heart is pumping not gonna lie

solar shadow
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last stand the next --> cauterize is back --> wall or dilate --> use the other

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boss pretty much dead here usually

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ravager + IP spam negates another

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problem arises if you and healer overlap CD

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t hen butt clench engaged

mental scarab
#

Good i can hiptrust like 200kg

void marten
#

are the hov nerfs live on eu?

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it's my only non timed +20

vestal torrent
void marten
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would be nice if i could before reset

warm plinth
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None of the recent dungeon nerfs are live atm

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They're going in with reset it looks like

mental scarab
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@vestal torrent keks

sick sentinel
#

is there a low cd appearance changing toy that retains tmog and works with combat

void marten
#

fuck man i was very excited when i saw the nerfs

sick sentinel
#

im race changing to dwarf and its fucking disgusting

potent harbor
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@warm plinth where Is written bleeds shouldnt be doing So much i already said i do 35k overall dps on 395ilvl, if Its bad then ye maybe but i also saw like two top tanking wars playin that talent And third one had one point there, i watched first ten wars only but still...isnt it something to think about? Rather then insultin somone do bad rotation

warm plinth
#

Retains tmog is a very tall ask

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35k overall DPS does not mean anything

potent harbor
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Two top ranking

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So then dont know what to Tell you

lofty widget
#

gnome oops

warm plinth
#

I didn't insult anyone btw. Not a single time.

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Just because I disagree with you and I'm telling you you're wrong doesn't mean I'm insulting you.

warm plinth
lofty widget
#

WHAT

warm plinth
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Hasn't since the start of Shadowlands iirc

lofty widget
#

well TIL

solar shadow
#

your idea has merit, in a dungeon with large packs, bloodbourne is likely a trash DPS increase. You can take that while sacrificing some surviability or ST damage. You should sim it and try out the talent yourself to make your own conclusion, ultimatly, the nice part about our new talent system is that you can play the way you want

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if you are cranking 20-25 keys with Bloodbourne, it doesn't really matter what others have to say

void marten
#

i wish cross faction guilds were introduced so i could play a dark iron dwarf

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horde racials are garbage

vestal torrent
#

yeah but zug zug

void marten
#

zug zug mf

solid dove
vestal torrent
#

loktar ogar

void marten
#

btw idk if you guys are aware but on sennarth mythic you can use pvp trinket to cheese p2 stuns

sick sentinel
#

what about that potion

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gnogen something

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that changes you into skeleton

warm plinth
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Noggenfogger

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Doesn't keep mog

void marten
sick sentinel
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yea but do they work in keys

warm plinth
#

I have no idea; I haven't tried one in forever

solid dove
#

Mainstat and cheat death

sick sentinel
#

Best embellishments?

warm plinth
#

But while you're at it you can try savory deviate delight

void marten
#

mainstat passive is very underbudgeted from what i recently read

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compared to active ones

warm plinth
#

Turns you into a human ninja/pirate

solar shadow
#

savory is goated

sick sentinel
#

oh true true

void marten
#

idk the 2nd passive

sick sentinel
#

fuck man

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cant believe im actually race changing to a dwarf

solid dove
sick sentinel
#

uhgg

mortal brook
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hope its dark iron

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theyre cute

warm plinth
#

Plus main stat from racial instead of stinky DR

pliant geyser
#

whats the best rotation for aoe

void marten
solar shadow
#

but me +15 rage every 2 min

void marten
#

nothing compared to dwarves i would say

pliant geyser
#

do we ever use whirlwind?

lofty widget
#

nop

warm plinth
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No

solar shadow
#

Isn't that false? If you don't need IP whirlwind is a great way to dump rage no?

warm plinth
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Revenge is a thing

lofty widget
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whirlwind doesnt reset SS, revenge does

solar shadow
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TIL

pliant geyser
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oh, you spam SS even during massive aoe fights?

solar shadow
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"generates 20 rage" yup

warm plinth
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You use SS on CD, yes.

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Biggest source of rage, gets reset often by pretty much everything

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hits like a truck

solar shadow
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oh wow i thought revenge only reset SS on procs

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that is sick

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friend ship with WW ended, friendship with Revenge begun

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Ah I see, Strategist

warm plinth
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Whirlwind, Slam, and Rend should never be on your bars.

solar shadow
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Yeah my friend had told me WW was the rage dump xD

jagged pier
solar shadow
#

feels like i just gained gigadps

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in other news, loving engi bracers

warm plinth
jagged pier
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Ss under rend

uncut notch
#

is this the leap thing they would do, or something else

image.png
warm plinth
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Yeah I liked that part too.

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It's the tank hit.

uncut notch
#

rip

warm plinth
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Leap is called Leap for the Throat

cloud umbra
#

tankbuster

lofty widget
#

so we can pull all wolves together now

uncut notch
#

so the thing that was super fine

potent harbor
#

@warm plinth Its Okay bro Its just theorycraft i dont need to be right Its just what i see from first week maybe im Wrong need more testing let IT be

uncut notch
#

altho i find halls immensely boring so only done it on an 18

solar shadow
#

halls and AV my least fave for sure

warm plinth
#

It's feelycraft, not theorycraft.

uncut notch
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but my experience has been the leap oneshots everyone else long before im even close to worried

solar shadow
#

RLP is the goat

sick sentinel
#

my least fav is tyrannical AA

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0 room for error

lofty widget
#

AA is bis

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so much boon value

warm plinth
solar shadow
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AA is good dungeon

potent harbor
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@warm plinth but u can seevall of them do 25-35 from bleeds btw

cloud umbra
#

@uncut notch you can cheese the leap to make it do no damage anyway, so now the wolves are free now

sick sentinel
#

AA is not lol

uncut notch
#

that boss is the perfect example for "blizzard youve gone too far with mechanics"

solar shadow
#

it hardly has any mechanics tho

sick sentinel
#

AA is fun in lower keys but as you go higher it gets insane

solar shadow
#

Vex is a really crazy boss on high key tyran

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speaking as a healer pov

uncut notch
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small platform, knockback, dodge swirlies, DR the tank hit, hps the bleed, do the balls, clear thundering, watch the tornados

sick sentinel
#

thats because you dont really notice them in lower keys

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

when it gets to everything one shot territory its stupidly hard

uncut notch
ionic fern
#

Vex

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Is dumb.

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Also

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The last boss is dumb

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On higher keys.

sick sentinel
#

all of them are dumb

ionic fern
#

Naa

sick sentinel
#

maybe except tree

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but thats like

solar shadow
ionic fern
#

Bird/Tree are w/e.

sick sentinel
#

after nerf

ionic fern
#

But Mana boy and last boss.

potent harbor
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@solar shadow from logic perspective ill do moře bleed ddmg outside of tyranical week or not since ill not spend eternity on bosses with st dmg And executes or not?

ionic fern
#

Are scary

uncut notch
#

tree is hilarious

sick sentinel
#

bird is half the reason im race changing to dwarf lol

solar shadow
ionic fern
sick sentinel
#

cant all my friends are dru for some reason

solar shadow
#

evoker is harder than rdruid for sure

sick sentinel
#

im also kinda biased against evoker

warm plinth
#

No offense to burgah but you're asking a guy for advice on warrior who thought we used Whirlwind 90 seconds ago.

solar shadow
#

rdruid also kinda broken

ionic fern
#

Mine goes like this:
-Evoker
-Dwarf
-Trinket
-Evoker
-CD

solar shadow
ionic fern
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etc

solar shadow
#

I will WW my way to a higher IO than you in a week if that is what is required for you to show me some respect

potent harbor
#

@warm plinth i do SS on cd Revenge ever possible And then TC , maybe my rot Is not perfect but Its far from bad, And even if i master my rot, my bleeds Will downfall from 35 percent to what? 25-30 max

warm plinth
#

I would love to see that actually. But no disrespect was intended. Just putting it into perspective because he's clearly just listening to the person who is humoring this dumb shit.

lofty widget
solar shadow
#

I mean, I think you are personally offended if you're calling it dumb, his question clearly has merit

warm plinth
#

It does not have merit because he's not using real information to consider these decisions.

solar shadow
#

There are top players running the talent, his point logically, that he can trade surviability for increased trash DPS via bleeds, makes sense

warm plinth
#

We literally have sims that could tell him in 20 seconds that he's wrong, but instead of doing that, he's in here getting validation from you.

lofty widget
ionic fern
#

Fight me.

solar shadow
#

Yes, and I agree entirely that it's not worth it

warm plinth
#

He's literally feelycrafting.

ionic fern
#

What are we arguing about?

warm plinth
#

Bloodborne

solar shadow
#

The nice part of the talent system is that he can play the way he wants to, like BK

ionic fern
#

Cool.

warm plinth
#

Sure but it's our responsibility as the spec channel that he came to, to tell him that he's wrong.

solar shadow
#

If he wants to be a big bleed pumper, and have less survability/be slightly less optimal, so be it

warm plinth
#

He can certainly play however the hell he wants. But I'm still going to tell him he's wrong.

solar shadow
#

At no point did I say, Bloodbourne is better

warm plinth
#

I never said you did

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I said you were humoring him, not telling him he's right.

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Some people just need to be told they're wrong.

solar shadow
#

I mean, there are tanks with 3.2k rating using bloodbourne

eager phoenix
#

good players make shit work. also applies for talents and race utility. classic example is andy running 10% vers while clap is at 20%-something vers. does that mean vers is good or bad? if dwarf was end all then everyone would be but shuh running troll and has a resto druid with him

solar shadow
#

I don't think this black and white answer that he is wrong and you are right is a good way to have a discussion

potent harbor
#

@warm plinth So rank1 Warrior prot Is Wrong? He tu s it this week

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Rank1 world

warm plinth
#

Top warriors are wrong literally all the time.

ionic fern
lofty widget
#

you can be rank 1 and play sub optimally

solar shadow
#

I would argue they are taking these talents for good reasons

warm plinth
#

They aren't some infallible being. They're human just like anyone in here.

ionic fern
#

Something you have to realise.
Getting Rank 1 is a TEAM game. If you have solid people around you who know what they are doing you can run literally w/e and do w/e.

warm plinth
#

I would argue they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

lofty widget
#

feelycrafty reasons probably

potent harbor
#

Okay then im ending discussion top tier wars Are Wrong but ghasn god Is right

solar shadow
#

Playing purely by the sims and theory is nice but rarely BIS

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thats the entire point of the talent system ...

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there are niche situations where the theory doesnt account for

warm plinth
#

lol, okay dude. If you didn't want people to challenge you then why the fuck try to sell it in here

potent harbor
#

@ionic fern aha So u can run shit talent in 27 key noted

ionic fern
potent harbor
#

Just fór Fun And meme

ionic fern
#

Jep.

cloud umbra
#

also saw r1 using BSV and im pretty sure thats completely bugged talent

ionic fern
#

Jep.

warm plinth
#

It is

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And it's dumb to run it

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But guess what, a lot of them do

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But they're R1 so they know better than me.

whole vortex
#

If you can run a 20 without armor you can run 27 with suboptimal talents

void marten
#

it's an extra cd in case you fuck up a dangerous pull, best example halls first pack

eager phoenix
#

if the answer to push top key was as simple as doing same race, comp and talent everyone would but all the top dicks are doing diff things and still being succesful

solar shadow
#

That's probably true, to be fair, they probably do know better

ionic fern
#

It doesn't work like it should.

warm plinth
#

Lol

#

Imagine talking down at me because you can't admit I'm right.

void marten
#

from my logs it procs early but still increases healing taken and reduces damage taken

solar shadow
#

I was just reaffirming your own statement

whole vortex
#

chatting skyhold moment

void marten
#

what is bugged exactly other than it proccing around 40-50%?

warm plinth
#

I was clearly being sarcastic.

cloud umbra
#

it procs at 80% sometimes

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when you dont even need it

lofty widget
#

thats the bug

whole vortex
#

It procs before considering mitigation

warm plinth
#

It procs before mitigation, that's the bug.

lofty widget
#

and you ahve no agency over when it procs, so its terrible

solar shadow
#

Theorycrafters rarely are the best button pressers 🙂

void marten
#

it's fine as i said if it procs early on that pull, you move other cds farther down the line

solar shadow
#

two different skill sets

ionic fern
#

Can't play for crap.

whole vortex
cloud umbra
#

@void marten its better to not play it

solar shadow
#

Back in the day, Elitist Jerks had a sick rogue theory crafter who was flamed for not parsing well/playing at a R1 level, its very common

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everyone followed their math and theory, but that didn't make them the best player at the class

warm plinth
#

Hey you know what the theorycrafters say in here?

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Not to use fucking Bloodborne

whole vortex
#

chatting here we go

solar shadow
#

There are easily situations i can imagine bloodbourne being a worthwhile talent

jagged pier
#

Hey u know what u need to be rank 1, a good team around u

solar shadow
#

e.g. you are pushing for the fastest possible time in a dungeon to win MDI

jagged pier
#

Nope

solar shadow
#

you might not need surviability and want an extra 2-3 seconds from your increased DPS

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idk man, just open your mind a bit

jagged pier
#

Because if your pushing time u have to be more defensive becauae u have to pull bigger

ionic fern
#

Am i better at pushing buttons if i parse as well in M+ and parse better in raids than the prot warriors?

jagged pier
#

Being able to pick the wall and spell block

ionic fern
jagged pier
#

Far better than 2 points in bb

solar shadow
#

telling this guy to stfu and that he is wrong for asking a genuine question after he did research into the top warriors talent trees is just not a very nice way to communicate

potent harbor
#

@jagged pier to have good team u need to be good aswell, And why not pick more dps if ur team good?

whole vortex
#

Bb is for the opposite scenario, you're doing low keys with friends or for giggles

jagged pier
#

Have u seen nerf play?

ionic fern
#

😂

warm plinth
#

Lol, can you show me where I told him to stfu?

jagged pier
#

U can be garbage

warm plinth
#

You sure love to say I said things that I didn't say

jagged pier
#

Can get high io

ionic fern
#

Have you actually analysed the logs of the "top players"?

jagged pier
#

Hell our top prot in sl for a while blocked less hits than he took

solar shadow
#

you called him dumb for suggestion this talent is possible

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or worthwhile

warm plinth
#

I certainly did not

jagged pier
ionic fern
#

Ther ewere some

jagged pier
#

Ive checked

solar shadow
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you specifically said "I was humoring his dumb shit"

ionic fern
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Previously.

warm plinth
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Yes, that is not calling him dumb

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That is calling his take dumb

solar shadow
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right right

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"your question is dumb and isn't worth discussion!"

warm plinth
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I never said that

solar shadow
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that is implied

warm plinth
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You know what quotation marks are for right

ionic plank
void marten
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you're gonna make this guy kelade of prot warriors lmao

potent harbor
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@solar shadow let IT be a d thanks fór support i just want be openminded but ppl have their only true

whole vortex
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Kelade, good times

solar shadow
warm plinth
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I am fine with being openminded if you can actually give me a logical reason why you could be right. You provided none of that.

solar shadow
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I provided an entire 30m conversation about trade offs and reasons why it might be good in niche situations actually

void marten
potent harbor
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I gave u logical reasons lol

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U dont simply read

solar shadow
flint grove
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It’s a talent why people about to go to war

warm plinth
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The "logical reason" you gave me was that your bleeds are doing 35% of your damage and that obviously 20% more of that is good

whole vortex
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Well, we're warriors

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We only go to war

flint grove
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Agree to disagree and move on

warm plinth
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And I tried to explain THREE TIMES why percentages of damage mean jack shit.

flint grove
warm plinth
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And you just blew me off.

whole vortex
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okayge you did

solar shadow
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He asked if he can use bloodbourne to trade off surviability or ST damage on large AOE packs for more DPS

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Which is, to be fair, a logical and reasonable thought

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and more speficically, if fortified raises the value of bloodbourne

flint grove
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The answer is bb is bad right?

solar shadow
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which is also probably true

flint grove
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So take it and move on

blazing condor
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breaking bad is the best show ever

void marten
slim dove
warm plinth
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The same guy who said he can read talents btw.

flint grove
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I don’t have that on my bars

solar shadow
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I mean, i can do math and numbers and think logically

flint grove
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You’ve said that 4 times

warm plinth
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Clearly not if you thought whirlwind was worth pressing over Revenge.

solar shadow
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which is what the question requires

flint grove
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You asked a question

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It got answered

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You didn’t like the answer

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That’s fine

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Move on

solar shadow
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I slam buttons and tank keys on my warrior, and it's a joke

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lets be real here

void marten
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what's next

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manual rend application?

potent harbor
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@warm plinth ye bleeds do 30 percent of your dmg overall So on 100mil overall dmg Its 30 mil So blooborne adds another 6 mil Its 6 percent dps increase Its not logical?

flint grove
amber siren
warm plinth
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No because THIRTY PERCENT OF YOUR DAMAGE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

amber siren
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Oh we're still on the percentages

slim dove
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lmao

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stop

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full stop

warm plinth
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FOr fuck's sake

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I don't know how else to explain it

solar shadow
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can we link some IOs so i can see if any of you are actually any good or just regurgitating what you read on guides

potent harbor
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Why nad? Lol také pills

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Just calmly explain

void marten
warm plinth
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Nah let's see your fucking io burgah, Mr. Whirlwind

ionic fern
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Aight.

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Calm down

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No personal insults.

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Or ya'll getting muted.

potent harbor
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Nah He máš kiddo

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Mad

solar shadow
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im 2750 3 weeks into my first healer character, now you

potent harbor
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Can't normálly speak

slim dove
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checkmate

warm plinth
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Oh, I'm 3k on my alt that I just made 8 days ago

solar shadow
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ok, thats what I figured

void marten
slim dove
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aight ima duck

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before i get muted

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hf.

potent harbor
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Im 5k in four diff dimensions

solar shadow
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that is Mr Whirlwind in the flesh

whole vortex
flint grove
foggy fractal
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no it cant be!

void marten
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start reading the pinned info

potent harbor
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So if my math doesnt work like that how it works?

sweet summit
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have u heard of a cool website called raidbots where you can simulate your character, which includes talents too

whole vortex
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No, tell me more erga

solar shadow
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Let's see where my alt is at the end of the season 🙂

warm plinth
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Did not take

sweet summit
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ah okay

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rip

lofty widget
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let's not fool ourselves, io is just an indication of time spent

flint grove
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@solar shadow if you don’t want your idea to be wrong why ask the question you have to be willing to accept the response

potent harbor
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I used it whole bfa but i didnt want use it fór blooborne since it looked like Simple math thing

solar shadow
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He was asking because there are top warriors using the talent

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And the response was "they are retarded"

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"they are bad players"

flint grove
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Ask them then

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They’re not here

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Most of them stream

mortal brook
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Guys i dont want to derails this convo but can i get your immediate opinion on which races' pwar angry grunts are best? I think its female goblin

warm plinth
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No one said they were that, or that they were bad. I said that they are not infallible, and that they make bad choices like everyone else.

void marten
foggy fractal
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Can guarantee if a #1 uses something, it may be specifically for a key/comp they're running. Bleeds may work out better in a full kite situation.

void marten
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if you think you want more damage with bloodborne go for it, nobody can stop you

solar shadow
void marten
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but dont spam it over and over again here, it's pointless

warm plinth
flint grove
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Ahhaahhahahaha

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I’m an orc pvp gamer unfortunately

solar shadow
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fem troll is best

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so ugly it's scary

foggy fractal
solar shadow
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you don't even need to cast intimidating shout

potent harbor
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@foggy fractal Its not one but three from top ten, didnt look further, ofc it doesnt prove anything but i dont want believe they play it fór meme all of them

solar shadow
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it's passive on fem troll

mortal brook
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Female gob just seems the most passionate about it yknow

solar shadow
warm plinth
mortal brook
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There are alchemy potions for that now

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!!

solar shadow
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you are not going to find your answer about some very specific hyper niche optimization for 24-26 keys here

sweet summit
foggy fractal
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I wouldn't mind doing +24-26 keys

vital berry
void marten
foggy fractal
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👉👈 😳

warm plinth
mortal brook
void marten
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i like worgen noises

warm plinth
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Plus it's the only race I can relate to

potent harbor
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@void marten THX fór nice words pyke my Aim Is also around that score And i just want try new things And this one looks super interesting but ye Guess need more testing

solar shadow
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anyways, my keyboard warrior needs got the best of me, good night gents

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you'll be excited to know I have removed whirlwind from my bars

warm plinth
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I'm proud of you

crimson snow
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Is there a bug on last boss RLP? Was in a 18 earlier and boss despawned at like <10%

warm plinth
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Genuinely looking forward to where your warrior goes in the weeks to come

warm plinth
foggy fractal
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Heard of that happening before, not seen it myself

warm plinth
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But not something I've seen happen before

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Maybe a weird position on the platform

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that causes a reset

foggy fractal
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My friend finally got a good group for a 20 with 5 mins for last boss where it despawned

crimson snow
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It was so shitty caused us to not time. We were like at the middle of the platform which was normal

void marten
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along with 2x shield wall and spell block

limpid anchor
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Absolutely not

foggy fractal
sweet summit
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uh

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how good is dungeon slice

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for prot

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i am out of the loop

warm plinth
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Not great

ionic fern
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Horrible.

sweet summit
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so what would be the best setting, multi target patchwerk?

warm plinth
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That's what I normally do. 5-10 target Patchwerk for like 1-3 minutes

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and then an ST sim ofc

void marten
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in dk discord they suggest 3 min single target sim and 1.5min aoe sim and take average of it

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but that sounds pretty stupid to me lmao

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it could be the best option, idk, but sounds pretty silly

ionic fern