They're both +4 affixes
#protection
warm plinth
modern brook
Tbh ur fault
lusty tiger
Ah
deft mortar
Paladin skips Wolf mechanic
warm plinth
Storming is the other one
hybrid aurora
I feel like the Thundering change made the last boss in AV much more manageable
lusty tiger
Well I feel like w my luck I would still
fallen pulsar
I mean, I have seen some god paladins
deft mortar
Retris are fkn amazing sometimes
fallen pulsar
they can pump
modern brook
You would saved more time run ing the wolf and having a real dps
fallen pulsar
and have tons of utility
deft mortar
They got CR and they got Wolf mechanic skip
lusty tiger
I feel like the Thundering change made the last boss in AV much more manageable
It hasn’t been added yet?
warm plinth
The thundering change was a hotfix
urban bane
it did
toxic gyro
Wolf mechanic skip ?
warm plinth
It's in the game already
hybrid aurora
It hasn’t been added yet?
It has. always 3 red and tank is always red. So you can abuse thundering to kite orbs.
deft mortar
Also not many options for a 16 key guys XD
toxic gyro
Mean we have intervene ?
fallen pulsar
Wolf mechanic skip ?
if you can immune, then wolf does nothing during the hunt
modern brook
I'm also joking I just hate paladin sorry
fallen pulsar
its ok
deft mortar
I got no intervane
fallen pulsar
a lot of people hate paladin
toxic gyro
You can intervene every chase
uneven mason
I'm also joking I just hate paladin sorry
It's ok Bull, I'm right there with you.
lusty tiger
Dps pally is pretty bland in terms of bringing value to an m+ party
uneven mason
Never seen a class practice self hate to that level before.
uneven mason
Their discord is a bunch of people with Anime PFP who complain about weebs
deft mortar
They are same tier or better than DKs man
modern brook
Mean we have intervene ?
Intervene moves the damage you still gotta heal it
modern brook
Which sucks with wolf bleed + the claw
deft mortar
Bubble
toxic gyro
?
daring marlin
big dam too
toxic gyro
You don’t use shield block ? Lol
deft mortar
Their dmg is so random tho
lusty tiger
They are same tier or better than DKs man
I’d say dk are better because grip utility and tankier*
deft mortar
differs alot player by player
slim dove
Intervene moves the damage you still gotta heal it
we're never in danger of death on wolf.
hybrid aurora
ret pallys just have super bad community perception at this point
uneven mason
I’d say dk are better because grip utility and tankier*
wat..
hybrid aurora
idk what will bring it back. What if they give them lust too?
lusty tiger
As dps
toxic gyro
I take no dmg from wolf when I intervene 👀
daring marlin
Damage ain't random
deft mortar
they first gotta give CR to Priests
daring marlin
Gotta pull around their wings
uneven mason
ret pallys just have super bad community perception at this point
To be fair, they did fuck up their class revamp by spamming shit feedback by asking for insanely OP things, so drowning out Holy/Prot
fallen pulsar
yeah ret can either be, someone who takes it seriously and knows their class well or "DeUSvuLT420XXGOD"
hybrid aurora
To be fair, they did fuck up their class revamp by spamming shit feedback by ask...
I enjoy playing my prot pally. Would enjoy it more if Avengers Shield generated holy power...
fallen pulsar
good rets imo are nice to have
uneven mason
I enjoy playing my prot pally. Would enjoy it more if Avengers Shield generated ...
To be fair, AS does enough, also SoTR is off GCD and does damage so.....zero sympathy
daring marlin
Only thing rets are lacking is good consistent defensives. Bubble doesn't cut it.
lusty tiger
Prot pala and holy pala are fine
uneven mason
"100% immune to damage" - This isnt enough
hybrid aurora
To be fair, AS does enough, also SoTR is off GCD and does damage so.....zero sym...
i agree. it just FEELS different. Mained prot pally in SL.
lusty tiger
Ret pumping in a tyrannical is also fine
uneven mason
And now we see why we hate paladins
lusty tiger
"removes all debuffs" - This isn't enough
It’s not
slim dove
its not much compared to DHs passive leech + infinite mobility
deft mortar
I hate anyone who dont 1.5x my overall dmg done
lusty tiger
I hate anyone who dont 1.5x my overall dmg done
Same
deft mortar
May as well get a 2nd tank
hybrid aurora
who do we like?
deft mortar
warrior tanks
lusty tiger
Too bad that’s like .5% dps players
daring marlin
"100% immune to damage" - This isnt enough
You're trolling, right?
modern brook
who do we like?
Ergaw
deft mortar
The diff is mad tho
2.6k dude with 410 gear will overall 90k dps
2.4k dude with 405 gear will overall 50k
How
lusty tiger
Forreal
deft mortar
Tbf I think group changes ur dps too
hybrid aurora
the guy with 2.6k and 410 knows how to play his class and probably knows the content better
deft mortar
Cuz more burst window
hybrid aurora
so he knows where to use his cds
hybrid aurora
you can do it with a hunter too
pull them out of the arena and vanish/fd
they despawn and you pull the boss
timid thicket
With the catalyst do we get one charge per character/week? Then I still have to pray to the vault god since I still somehow only have 2 piece
deft mortar
the two before last boss?
lusty tiger
U rly gonna trust a pug group to do NO last boss safely with mini bosses alive?
deft mortar
I think rogues despawn them man
lusty tiger
Wut
lusty tiger
Like permanently despawn?
hybrid aurora
yeah, well its the same as the veximus cheese in AA
fallen pulsar
I'd assume they fix it if it becomes normal strat
hybrid aurora
itll probably get fixed
fallen pulsar
they generally dislike stuff like that
hybrid aurora
imagine a bolstered/fort storm bolt getting off
deft mortar
and comeback 60 secs later
hybrid aurora
a bolstered storm bolt spell reflected will be nice though
lusty tiger
Bolster fort with block nerfs will be a week to tighten up
fallen pulsar
I think vex cheese is that your DPS can LoS all the casts
deft mortar
so we all can ditch the dps builds
iron galleon
Raging Bolster Fortified week
hahah no
uneven mason
so we all can ditch the dps builds
We would just do smaller pulls
hybrid aurora
^vex cheese
lusty tiger
so we all can ditch the dps builds
I love io, but not enough TCs making rage on big pulls significantly more cringe
lofty drift
30 stack Spectral Invoker and 1 shot Doragosa with Astral Bomb?
fallen pulsar
We would just do smaller pulls
no fear, no surrender, big pulls or brick key trying
deft mortar
yep
hybrid aurora
They "fixed" the stairs cheese in TJS, so im guessing it will happen for Vex.
deft mortar
no other way
if u cant pull all trash at the same time
u dont deserve to time it anyway
except the anti fun mechanics ruin it
like
iron galleon
can you just kill all explosives with heroic throw btw? My macro seems to be acting a little strange
lusty tiger
The real problem w bolster fort, is archers or unkicked casts on healers/ dps
deft mortar
tank cc
fallen pulsar
at least now people wont wipe to big pulls from lack of clearing explosives lol
uneven mason
The real problem w bolster fort, is archers or unkicked casts on healers/ dps
Yeah shoot is already toxic af
hybrid aurora
The real problem w bolster fort, is archers or unkicked casts on healers/ dps
kicking shouldnt be a problem in a good group, but yeah the archers are gonna slap
deft mortar
I wish heroic throw workt melee range
fallen pulsar
I'd rather fort/raging/bolster than explosive for big pulls
deft mortar
me too
fallen pulsar
you can at least sorta control that
deft mortar
fuck explosive
lusty tiger
NO 3rd boss if some bs gets them separated too long they will 1shot someone on tyr
deft mortar
I also pref bolster over sanguine
hybrid aurora
they should never be separated
lusty tiger
Same
hybrid aurora
that one is on the tank
uneven mason
NO 3rd boss if some bs gets them separated too long they will 1shot someone on t...
Yup, gotta stack them
hybrid aurora
you need to know where she is going every jump and pre-move or charge or leap
lusty tiger
And things can go wrong
hybrid aurora
they dont
lusty tiger
Wtf r u saying
fallen pulsar
you can plan around all the movement
hybrid aurora
youre talking about the 2 centaur boss?
lusty tiger
Yes
hybrid aurora
if they are getting separated thats on you
lusty tiger
I know all about it
acoustic oasis
....just move where she's moving
lusty tiger
No it’s not
acoustic oasis
It's so easy
lusty tiger
That’s the fight mechanic
amber siren
If they're being separated for more than 1-2 stacks you've done movement wrong
uneven mason
She projects that with like 5 seconds
hybrid aurora
yup. its a tank fail.
hybrid aurora
you know you can see a white circle on the ground where she is jumping
lusty tiger
It’s more than 1
acoustic oasis
How do they get separated? Just heroic leap to where she's jumping.
lusty tiger
And other mechanics can get in the way occasionally
acoustic oasis
Its....so easy
lusty tiger
U don’t always have heroic leap every time the archer dashes
hybrid aurora
what mechanics get in the way?
lusty tiger
Im not saying I can’t kill the boss
fallen pulsar
lmao*
acoustic oasis
You can literally just charge her
hybrid aurora
or you target her and charge?
lusty tiger
Im saying they get stacks sometimes
acoustic oasis
Lmao
lusty tiger
Esp when unlucky
hybrid aurora
that is an instance where you have the responsibility
hybrid aurora
if they are getting more than a stack, you need to make some adjustments
uneven mason
Point is proper execution of mechanics they should never have more than 1 stack
amber siren
lusty tiger
Is sometimes they get more stacks
vague viper
What phail are we using the most in m+?
fallen pulsar
I mean you can disagree but several people here doing the same dungeon are saying its not like that normally
cinder storm
Those bosses get stacks?
acoustic oasis
What phail are we using the most in m+?
AoE damage one
lusty tiger
Im not saying it’s like that normally
acoustic oasis
Those bosses get stacks?
I didn't know about til I saw a dk complain about it
fallen pulsar
it just seems you're getting high stacks enough where this becomes an issue
lusty tiger
Im saying in the few times an unlucky series of events happen, your DH can be 2shot by the archer boss
lusty tiger
it just seems you're getting high stacks enough where this becomes an issue
Im not
fallen pulsar
then I misunderstood
lusty tiger
All I said was when it happens (happened once lol) it is spooky
hybrid aurora
so, look for the white circle and start pre-moving or be ready to charge or heroic leap. For gusts, have the melee at least stack so that to nados are less of an issue and you are gucci
uneven mason
DH....
cinder storm
Maybe the dh was simply lacking Ilvl?
acoustic oasis
Let the DH die, he is his scars, it builds character.
fallen pulsar
yeah if you're saying on the rare moments it lines up that way its bad, then yeah agree. It just seemed to me at first that you were saying it regularly occurs
uneven mason
Legitimately the hardest class to fuck that mechanic
fallen pulsar
yeah thats a shit happens moment
uneven mason
Rip momenturd
cinder storm
Still chunks, on that I agree
Almost timed a NO 19+2, I realized then why skipping last two adds is just better overall "if only we just needed to kill boss"
hybrid aurora
yeah, i usually get extra percent in Teriyaki
hunter and mage should be able to do it too
pwar and spell reflect cheeses
cinder storm
Also, not that we care, but if a dps leaves spear on top or too close to rock rather than behind boss will just yeet away
hybrid aurora
that spear chunks this week
It is insane how much SR damage i do in nok on details
top damage easily
cinder storm
Nah, people will complain like they did with PI, funny how everyone forgot about PI being an issue now that druids, Evo are meta
hybrid aurora
SR requires skill and knowledge to play around though. Different than PI.
cinder storm
True true
hybrid aurora
or you just get that SR weakaura someone pinned in here and then the skill and knowledge out the window 😛
cinder storm
I want to believe I memorized the spreadsheet
fallen pulsar
I play without the WA, my biggest issue is that sometimes my timers from DBM desync for some weird reason and I can't line up SR perfectly for certain bosses (AV last boss)
acoustic oasis
I trust then to fail and they fail me by doing the right thing smh
cinder storm
Which is why inspiring was Pog
acoustic oasis
Can't be mad, but it makes you mad.
modern forum
bruh i hate it so much all dungeon no interrupts i pop sr everybody goes in order interrupting like clockwork
i wonder if its some evil game dps plays
hybrid aurora
they dont listen
i feel like most of the pugs arent tracking who is being casted on
modern forum
yep i love it when i interrupt if boss is casting on them and when im out of interrupts and boss still casts on them 0 interrupts. boss targets me sr up interrupt instatnly from the brain dead rogue that never kicks
hybrid aurora
I still have to yell at my friends i run higher keys with in disc, and they still kick
modern forum
I still have to yell at my friends i run higher keys with in disc, and they stil...
get your friends to roll lock and they cant even interrupt that often so u gucci
hybrid aurora
we have a demo lock we run with that is super on point with kicks lol. She's a clicker too.
I've seen her beat melee and shamans, but that says more about the melee and shamans tbh
modern forum
i mean if u lose to a clicker as a shaman u should burn your pc and go tend a farm or smth ngl
haughty gulch
is it true if you have a good sheild already you should be opening vault as arms even as protection??
hybrid aurora
i mean if u lose to a clicker as a shaman u should burn your pc and go tend a fa...
yes
sick sentinel
warlock + clicker + good = press x to doubt
hybrid aurora
we told the shaman as much. He was a mute i think.
modern forum
the amount of brain dead ppl ive played with that doesnt sound impossible
sick sentinel
i loveeeee shamans in just about any group
hybrid aurora
resto shamans?
modern forum
had a fucking paladin dude was healing in a +12 with a +str only wpn and leather boots also
sick sentinel
all shamans
hybrid aurora
rshaman going to the moon tho
sick sentinel
shaman is my best frens
hybrid aurora
which tank is going to the moon in s2, predictions?
modern forum
brewmastr got big buffs
sick sentinel
just fucking trust me on this
urban portal
yogi
hybrid aurora
pwar might be going to the dumpster... you know, if you're first, you're last next season, except for hpal for the last few expansions
sick sentinel
bdk is insane
urban portal
trusting you is the dumbest thing anyone can do
sick sentinel
in the right sptos
urban portal
whoever gets the best borrowed power from season 2
hybrid aurora
i would play bdk. I won't play brm until they do something about button bloat. I remember when brm was OP and had like 2 buttons to press.
reef holly
we have a demo lock we run with that is super on point with kicks lol. She's a c...
‘She’
hybrid aurora
now brm is like an omega grand piano
daring marlin
whoever gets the best borrowed power from season 2
aka tier and a raid weapon
sick sentinel
you may not think it but i am trust worthy
urban portal
yee
modern forum
now brm is like an omega grand piano
i odnt like brm
daring marlin
Hunters have the bow 
but let's see a big boy 2H
sick sentinel
i am a good person for the most part
put that fucking bow in the game
expect hunter players to play NOT MM
??????? logic much
haughty gulch
should prot warrior open vault as arms if we got a good shield already?
sick sentinel
its probably really good for BM too, im sure there's tons of shit they get whenver they attack enough times do X
i'd open it as dps whenever you got 418/421 shield 1 hand and both is haste
mighty valley
should prot warrior open vault as arms if we got a good shield already?
Look over the loot specs and figure out if there's anything you really want that you can only get from prot loot spec
sick sentinel
like, im only get a 408 at best, unless i step my game up
faint grove
How do you guys deal with hyrja beam in HoV? Had SB/SR up but it still sometimes one shot on a +20
lofty widget
SR+anything is fine
daring marlin
dstance for it
sick sentinel
swap to defensive stance if you have no CD
lofty widget
d-stance, wall, external, demo etc
hybrid aurora
take spell block for higher HOV
faint grove
Have both spell block/reflect
sick sentinel
if you have a wall or somethin and IP running, u can probably live it up to 15+'s
slim dove
reflect + def stance + fat IP is enough on +20 tyr
daring marlin
reflect + def stance + fat IP is enough on +20 tyr
this
slim dove
throw in demo for 1, wall the next, rotate.
last stand if you mess up somewhere and need a bit more leeway
mighty valley
Between shield wall, demo shout, spell reflect, last stand, def stance, you should have enough defensives up per blast to live
uneven mason
How do you guys deal with hyrja beam in HoV? Had SB/SR up but it still sometimes...
You should be moving when she's revving it up so pop defensive as it's not a DPS loss
daring marlin
Biggest thing is definitely pooling SOME rage for a fat IP
sick sentinel
i used to be really good at swapping her from side to side and i dunno if its tyranical or what but i fuckin up on that boss transitioning her and positioning for knockback
lofty widget
dont even have to pool, that shield of light is the only dmg youll be taking in that fight pmuch
sick sentinel
somebody something flipped the shit switch in my brain, and now i don't do that mechanics properly
daring marlin
I'm saying it so you don't go unga bunga on revenge because she does like zero damage
other than beam
faint grove
Thanks all
slim dove
also it helps alot to have a group setup to do 2x storm side
sick sentinel
like i did it on a 13 or something, and it hit me for 327k and i died then or immediately after to some attack
uneven mason
somebody something flipped the shit switch in my brain, and now i don't do that ...
You've started thinking too much
sick sentinel
but Dstance is 10% so thats reduced by 32k
uneven mason
Is it
modern forum
wasnt it 15
sick sentinel
tool tip last i looked said 10% i thought
modern forum
idk is fine with just 1 defensive on +17 and 18 dunno for higehr
sick sentinel
that'd be even better if its 15% cuz then it'd be like, 48k, reduction
faint grove
Had it hit me for 460k on a +20 and fucked me up good
junior ivy
Is wow fun right now? I miss playing
mighty valley
what do you like doing in wow
uneven mason
Is wow fun right now? I miss playing
Fun is subjective
sick sentinel
but in a diferent way
junior ivy
I like collecting mounts, achievements etc, I dabbled I'm end game content but never liked it being a part time job kinda situation with time dedicated to it
uneven mason
Don't pay attention to Agmius, they put paint chips in his oatmeal
junior ivy
I was good enough thst I used to sell m+ carries
daring marlin
Don't pay attention to Agmius, they put paint chips in his oatmeal
This dude spittin'
🤣🤣🤣
modern forum
I like collecting mounts, achievements etc, I dabbled I'm end game content but n...
you gonna have fun there's a bunch of stuff for collectors
uneven mason
I like collecting mounts, achievements etc, I dabbled I'm end game content but n...
It's the least "oppressive" on your free time than it's ever been
feral river
Hey, for raid ST is it the best if I take Into the Fray and Bolster or should I go for Heavy Repercussions and Sudden Death?
junior ivy
Legion is when I last played for real, I did a lil bit in the next expansion but quit shortly in
sick sentinel
A M O G U S
uneven mason
Leveling is engaging with cute little side stories, lots of little extras like pets to get
feral river
Hey, for raid ST is it the best if I take Into the Fray and Bolster or should I ...
Assumin i can only take one of the 2 options (mainly asking for mythic Raz)
modern forum
Legion is when I last played for real, I did a lil bit in the next expansion but...
none of that daily farm sttuff i've heard from legion
junior ivy
Is it worth playing if I could only plsy maybe 8 hours a week?
modern forum
some heckin cute quests as well
uneven mason
Legion is when I last played for real, I did a lil bit in the next expansion but...
No grind like ap, not even close
modern forum
what u mean is it worth if u have fun is worth i guess cant know if u'll have fun 😄
deft mortar
RE lvling, wish they allowed Chromie time in 60-70 as well but idk nerfed exp for timewalking those levels so mfs play DF too
modern forum
game is very much ffa i think can do w/e u want and can get something out of it
deft mortar
I'd rather do 60-70 2x slower than quest DF
onyx matrix
I'd rather do 60-70 2x slower than quest DF
lol
uneven mason
So way less time
I've managed to get raid ilvl through some dungeons and world quests, and if you like mounts, may I introduce your next addiction - Dragon Riding customization scrolls
junior ivy
What are those @uneven mason
modern forum
I'd rather do 60-70 2x slower than quest DF
that sounds awful
deft mortar
Its perfect
modern forum
What are those <@123448908838862849>
can change the look of your dragon
deft mortar
I'd rather mob farm in barrens than do weird post-cata questlines
act mop qlines were mostly ok too for me
onyx matrix
XD
junior ivy
Is prot warrior good right now ?
deft mortar
hunter gatherer quests are chill asf
modern forum
yes
onyx matrix
Is prot warrior good right now ?
yeah
deft mortar
buddy there is no other tank in the game than prot
slender wedge
guys are you training your dragon trinket on aoe dmg or st dmg?
deft mortar
we are the only tank
junior ivy
That's awesome
deft mortar
we got massive nerfs and spec didnt even budge
uneven mason
What are those <@123448908838862849>
Dragonriding is how we get around in dragonflight and it's quite awesome, you'll get 4 base dragons to use with it and as you quest etc.. you'll gain customization scrolls, which let you change the appearance of the dragon
junior ivy
I love customizing the appearance of everything
deft mortar
its nice and fun i guess
junior ivy
I collected every tier set for transmog from molten core up til mid legion for warriors
uneven mason
That's awesome
Plz don't take anything he says as factual, we're strong but most tanks are really close
craggy pilot
anyone have a good route for HC Kurog?
deft mortar
in 5 years
uneven mason
We're just suffering from fotm bloat
slender wedge
guys are you training your dragon trinket on aoe dmg or st dmg?
pls 😦
craggy pilot
pls 😦
ST dmg or stats is what i do
that way its good for both bosses, and prio dmg
or for other specs
stats is more versatile
AOE does fuck all on bosses fx
modern forum
top 40 tanks represent nothing of the playerbase kekw
lofty widget
warrior is perceived as "better" so more ppl play it
make sense for there to be more warriors on the leaderboards
modern forum
most of the changes are few weeks old it'll take few more weeks for this to be seen in the charts
lone eagle
As a Brew main I'm starting to agree that Brew will be nuts tomorrow
Jakey has made me mull on it
deft mortar
u play a leather spec that tanks without a shield?
cloud umbra
how significant are brew buffs gunna be?
daring marlin
modern forum
pretty big from what myy friend tells me
cloud umbra
good to hear
deft mortar
bet
since we havin leather tanks
when do warriors get a healing spec with shouts
may as well
undone verge
new healing spec is just spam cast rally
ashen grail
Hello excuse-me, could you give me some tips to the 3th boss of TJS ? plz
agile elbow
hybrid aurora
Hello excuse-me, could you give me some tips to the 3th boss of TJS ? plz
Use a cd or cds for every Jade serpent strike
you can spell reflect the first tank buster she does, but for jade youll need a cd for every one
I usually run SR for TJS as well. You can take 2 with it.
sorry Spell Block
there is a pin for this btw.
ashen grail
yeah, i'm reading the pin, I didn't knew there is a pin for this 🙂
uneven mason
did overall 29k on sbg 22
Tbh smbg is a bad instance for pumping only a few big pulls
unique shale
Tbh smbg is a bad instance for pumping only a few big pulls
is it 25-30k single target normal for war ?
uneven mason
The big pulls that are there have a lot of little shit mobs that tend to just explode from DPS before prot can wind up
uneven mason
is it 25-30k single target normal for war ?
Sure but without a log hard to see where you were not optimized
Like I would guess you were in defensive from the numbers
jagged pier
is it 25-30k single target normal for war ?
thats low
nimble rock
Like I would guess you were in defensive from the numbers
same
uneven mason
Also probably not optimizing the Rav DS dance
Little things that only logs can reveal
lofty widget
also where's rend?
hybrid aurora
lol there it is
nimble rock
ding ding ding
hybrid aurora
check talents
unique shale
thats low
i mean seen war doing 40k single target but its with fire ring and belt which i dont have
lofty widget
40k is pretty normal
fallen pulsar
also where's rend?
unique shale
not 10k worth
10k is still 10k my brother XD
uneven mason
i mean seen war doing 40k single target but its with fire ring and belt which i ...
Bruh link your character
urban portal
you should sim his character vs yours
hybrid aurora
im saying its not 10k dps worth
urban portal
if the sim gap is 5k and actual gap is 10k
unique shale
Bruh link your character
From where ?
urban portal
theres a 5k difference
toxic gyro
From where ?
Screenshot your talents and post here
You’re missing one or two major talents
lusty tiger
did overall 29k on sbg 22
u have logs?
unique shale
here
unique shale
u have logs?
i cannot log most of time cause i get lags and dc
lusty tiger
???
fallen pulsar
itf but no bolster
uneven mason
So blood and thunder is a big ouch
toxic gyro
You’re missing blood and thunder and 5% weapon dmg and leech
jagged pier
i mean seen war doing 40k single target but its with fire ring and belt which i ...
that low
fallen pulsar
barb training probably leading to rage issues
hybrid aurora
you using disrupting for sanguine?
cinder storm
I have too much vers
lofty widget
not 0 smh
lusty tiger
I have too much vers
agree
unique shale
you using disrupting for sanguine?
yes and for pugs if they don't kick
fallen pulsar
yes and for pugs if they don't kick
its much easier to spec into intimidating than disrupting
pallid quiver
here
Yeah, I second Ikari's suggestion. Things like Barbaric Training, too, can cause problems, but the lack of blood and thunder is by far the largest one
uneven mason
There are just functional issues with your build that undermine some cornerstones of prot dps
daring marlin
itf but no bolster
lol as if you need bolster with itf
unique shale
Let's start the simplest way, grab the m+ build from pins
you mean this one right ? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRRAVpFRRBBNVUVEVERFVYVVQDQBA
pallid quiver
There's zero need to oick rend up if you're not gonna get blood and thunder, but blood and thunder's pretty much necessary, so
fallen pulsar
lol as if you need bolster with itf
helps with shield block, especially when first getting comfortable lol
lusty tiger
solution: no itf
toxic gyro
So is 5% dmg and leech note in warrior tree
unique shale
where did u get these talents from
i just fuck around with them to whatever make it easier with pugs
uneven mason
There's zero need to oick rend up if you're not gonna get blood and thunder, but...
Let's turn this around, there is no reason to never not take rend and blood and thunder
lusty tiger
i just fuck around with them to whatever make it easier with pugs
how did u get inv to a 22
unique shale
how did u get inv to a 22
my own key bruh and same as others
cinder storm
just be pwar
uneven mason
how did u get inv to a 22
His name is brown and he has 409ilvl
lusty tiger
tru ilvl helps
unique shale
how did u get inv to a 22
and i have 23 court of star now
fallen pulsar
lets not turn this into a shitting contest, the guy is asking for help.
uneven mason
Literally our spec is press w
lusty tiger
i was genuinely curious
uneven mason
We're not lol legit it's a fundamental issue with prot right now
vernal lagoon
FINALLY! RLP +10 done. >_>
fallen pulsar
FINALLY! RLP +10 done. >_>
congrats!
uneven mason
FINALLY! RLP +10 done. >_>
🤘
vernal lagoon
I have no idea why, but people massively lose their brainpower on the last boss
lusty tiger
FINALLY! RLP +10 done. >_>
📯
jagged pier
lets not turn this into a shitting contest, the guy is asking for help.
yes true but we cant do much without logs tbh its very difficult to understand what someone doing without them
uneven mason
yes true but we cant do much without logs tbh its very difficult to understand w...
Well if he takes Nom's build he'll be halfway there
unique shale
yes true but we cant do much without logs tbh its very difficult to understand w...
let me see if i have logs for some random dung
uneven mason
I think once you get the different build you'll see a big uptick
uneven mason
Literally because rend does a good chunk that you had no replacement for
lusty tiger
looks like u have bnt there
uneven mason
Lots of wasted rage
pliant monolith
Guys i want to thank you for the advice and share my little victory with you, at start of the week, i was diying everytime on crawth even in +18, with all your advices and warcraft logs analyse of the best tanks, (and a lot of try, i finally made it AA +20 done and being TOP 4 WORLD ! on damages on AA +20 prot warrior this week!
little victory for me and just wanted to say thank you to this discord
cinder storm
Wait, before anything, your healer has a funny name lol
vernal lagoon
Guys i want to thank you for the advice and share my little victory with you, at...
gz! that's really cool!
lusty tiger
Guys i want to thank you for the advice and share my little victory with you, at...
massive gains 🦾
uneven mason
🤘
pallid quiver
Lots of wasted rage
To elaborate, your rage waste wasn't actually too bad on most buttons...
But you wasted like at least 10% of all rage you generated via Shield Charge via overcap
pliant monolith
deft ermine
Hey guys, good afternoon! How do you think this nerf will affect us? Do you believe that the class will drop from tier s?
uneven mason
Hey guys, good afternoon! How do you think this nerf will affect us? Do you beli...
W yes, c tier now
Orbg tier
Maybe a O tier
uneven mason
ZZ Top tier
vernal lagoon
I thought we would be "Pins" tier 🤔
lusty tiger
top zzz tank
uneven mason
I thought we would be "Pins" tier 🤔
Stop I'm having fun
vernal lagoon
sorry, had to
strong forum
did overall 29k on sbg 22
Where is your rend?
vernal lagoon
trying to understand my logs 🤣 so I need some brainpower haha
uneven mason
Also we have emoji for that
uneven mason
Where is your rend?
Scroll
lusty tiger
uneven mason
That's been touched
strong forum
Yeah I saw
unique shale
Where is your rend?
toxic gyro
if you dont know what you're doing, just use build from pins. You're missing at least 2 crucial talents
jagged pier
here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NXZDCJkrLFybcQWz#fight=14&type=summary
i mean apart from the rend stuff your not using stuff on CD and your casts are low
u are casting more IPS than u need
over rev
u still need to revenge
unique shale
i mean apart from the rend stuff your not using stuff on CD and your casts are l...
sometimes i go afk in rotation cause everything its in cooldown is it normal or not ?
uneven mason
https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550
So the take away here is adjust the spec, run another and work on just spending rage and pushing buttons. Prot is very high APM. Use CDs you're low on all fronts
pallid quiver
You should be able to fill every GCD unless something has gone wrong
pallid quiver
In your case, uaing too much IP is likely causing you to lose SS resets, costing you rage and SS casts
uneven mason
By overusing ip
uneven mason
In your case, uaing too much IP is likely causing you to lose SS resets, costing...
This
amber siren
Or more likely he's rage starving just from using barbaric
pallid quiver
You can still technically fill every GCD with barbaric
You just get to cast a hell lot less IP
amber siren
You'll rage starve with it
uneven mason
That doesn't help but his IP use is an issue he even gets punched in the face because he starved before refreshing sb
unique shale
That doesn't help but his IP use is an issue he even gets punched in the face be...
true
unique shale
Do you use a wa?
wa ?
toxic gyro
weakaura
unique shale
yeah i am
uneven mason
unique shale
i min max it at some degree
i have all of wa man dont warry
its just because i have using talents since week 1 and not looking at guides after that
toxic gyro
start with getting proper build, make sure you follow rotation, and see if your numbers improved
pallid quiver
i mean you could technically have too many WAs then that's causing you to miss things from info bloat
lusty tiger
Or lag
toxic gyro
i min max it at some degree
what you're playing was never in any guide for sure
uneven mason
You made the right choice coming here though, all we care about is pumping
unique shale
today my dps it was alert for me cause i usually go for 48-50k overall
uneven mason
what you're playing was never in any guide for sure
Idk some of that stuff llarolldddd's guide has is sussy
pallid quiver
nah, there's definitely some people who just want to shit on others in here
toxic gyro
who?
lusty tiger
Me
pallid quiver
Idk some of that stuff llarolldddd's guide has is sussy
Never once said to not take rend/blood and thunder, though, so
It did say to take barbaric for a while
toxic gyro
no way any warrior would not play "one-handed weapon" or blood and thunder
unique shale
Never once said to not take rend/blood and thunder, though, so
that was my mistake cause before i doing my dung i fucked around my talents a bit
unique shale
no way any warrior would not play "one-handed weapon" or blood and thunder
i mean if you are board and want to shit on people i would suggest you go on wow forums its much more fun there
lusty tiger
drop 1h weapon to take spear
We can do that?
toxic gyro
i mean if you are board and want to shit on people i would suggest you go on wow...
not my intention at all... I already pointed you out to pins for proper build my man
pallid quiver
that was my mistake cause before i doing my dung i fucked around my talents a bi...
I'd recommend going through the explanations of talent trees to also see what all the different talents do, too, so you understand what you gain from picking talents, what you lose from not having them, and why you want them at specific times
urban portal
you can also drop thunder words to take spear
its all for more burst
its not actually good
urban portal
either drop 1h weapon or thunder words
lusty tiger
Maybe
For av
Since I do it in like 10 pulls or less ideally
I wouldn’t mind seeing some 70k dps spear tech tho
daring marlin
40s spear was best spear
lusty tiger
Banner was the best spear
unique shale
Banner was the best spear
banner worked best with premade and right classes in shadowland while spear it was more pug choose
jagged pier
no
lusty tiger
Zzz
jagged pier
banner in S3/4 was best for all content
lofty widget
banner was perma 22 % str, seems like a pretty good personal buff
jagged pier
it wasnt for u group
lusty tiger
(:
unique shale
i didn't played 3/4 season but yeah 22% seems big
lusty tiger
For the real #1, yourself
pallid quiver
Yeah it was a party buff. Shame the only ones partying was us
scenic mural
Banner was a lot of fun
sick sentinel
i beated 13 hov, thats 2 13s on time now
blazing condor
Mwahi go fix pls
uneven mason
it wasnt for u group
Don't lie, the flag thing is for the warlocks
polar girder
i did shit interupts lol and everything else now i gotta figure out how to multitask ugh
jagged pier
Don't lie, the flag thing is for the warlocks
i literally never bothered to give it to certain ppl
if they were close to me they got it
up to them
unique shale
Aright thank you all for help. I looked at pins for talents and they look solid and provide me with things i need ! however, i think i need to move around some points for inspiring Presence, Bounding Stride and Intervene in some dungs.
odd pelican
Evening, just joined this fine channel 🙂
lusty tiger
Still remember the DH that blamed me for giving him too much movespeed so he fell off painsmiths map
“Slime your banner!” Or “ew what is this mastery buff”(from the sv hunter)
strong forum
I don't think there's actually a lot to do for our sim to work with the dungeons tbh
If anything
Since our credo is quite literally "just send it"
uneven mason
There isn't a big optimization window (like 1GCD ever) on delaying an ability if it means you can stack Booming and Avatar for it, but since it's all on the GCD you'll gain that by Pressing the Button
uneven mason
i literally never bothered to give it to certain ppl
I was referrring to the obtuse commentary of the casters when Sense played his warrior in the great push
"Why would they have a prot warrior" - nevermind the Spell reflect damage, Oh, maybe its for the flag thing, that's a big mastery buff? for the warlock right.
strong forum
Couldn't possibly fathom the comfort pick
uneven mason
Retail has been trying to tell me something
I literally haven't been able to play my BDK for a week because "World Server is down"
Blizzard is like "It'll fix on its own"
torn jay
can you reset its location from the battle net site?
digital sandal
When pulling groups in dungeons, is it more important to rage dump into ignore pain or prioritizing SB uptime?
woeful trellis
uff i got clapped in rlp +21 first boss, i never had struggle with her oO
scenic mural
uff i got clapped in rlp +21 first boss, i never had struggle with her oO
spell block
woeful trellis
i used it :/
sick sentinel
not perfect but made some blue crafting equipment
inner rock
Is there any decent automated log analysis tools? (Honestly more interested in m+ than raid, but wouldn’t hurt to review raid as well)
south marlin
Me and the healer finishing vexamus when all the DPS die on AA+15, glad to hear any tips i can get on my shitty playstyle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2s5fFdO0Q
oak echo
Me and the healer finishing vexamus when all the DPS die on AA+15, glad to hear ...
you enjoy raw dogging those frontals lol
the orbs and knockback do little to no damage but that's where you're using wall and SR and almost getting 1 shot later
south marlin
@oak echo cheerio
unique shale
Me and the healer finishing vexamus when all the DPS die on AA+15, glad to hear ...
dps and heal can los boss mechanic which make this fight a hell of easier
sterile bough
Me and the healer finishing vexamus when all the DPS die on AA+15, glad to hear ...
from quick look
- hello any defensives? they exist ok?
- stop treating IP like u need to press it the moment u have rage for it
tardy plaza
Me and the healer finishing vexamus when all the DPS die on AA+15, glad to hear ...
I mean no wonder they dead you over there MOTORIN!! the area with frontals not using spell reflect
sterile bough
also any rational reason u are pressing revnge when thunder clap is up?
south marlin
I mean no wonder they dead you over there MOTORIN!! the area with frontals not u...
Thanks!
south marlin
also any rational reason u are pressing revnge when thunder clap is up?
Not at all, just bad
craggy pilot
from quick look
1. hello any defensives? they exist ok?
2. stop treating IP lik...
he does shield wall in the beginning
but he doesnt SB 🤣
for like 20 seconds
sick sentinel
window browsing for keys i want to run
i know the key i want to run, i just... don't bleh lool
sterile bough
ALSO WHY ARE U PRESSING EXECUTE WHEN U ARE DRY ON RAGE
craggy pilot
yikes its a 1min 41 seconds video, where he clicks Shield Block 1 time
south marlin
from quick look
1. hello any defensives? they exist ok?
2. stop treating IP lik...
When should i IP if not when its up?
south marlin
yikes its a 1min 41 seconds video, where he clicks Shield Block 1 time
i told you i was bad
sterile bough
When should i IP if not when its up?
u have health pool for a reason
craggy pilot
i told you i was bad
do you use WAs bro?
like a SB tracker would be hugely important for you tbh
sterile bough
in ST prio rotation
1 shield slam
2. thunder clap
3. revenge
if there is a point when u cant press anything u just used too much ip
and u have that kind of point for 70% of this fighjt
also u ar eclicking spell really slow
at one point u pressed shield slam
had thunderclap available, enough rage for revenge
and was just running circles
doing nothing
craggy pilot
in ST prio rotation
1 shield slam
2. thunder clap
3. revenge
if there is a poin...
in ST prio rotation
1 shield slam
2. thunder clap
3. shield block
4. revenge
5. IP
is what i would say
cloud umbra
@south marlin Try a weak aura like quazi buff bar. Can watch your defensives
south marlin
do you use WAs bro?
I'll get one now
craggy pilot
I'll get one now
sterile bough
also why are u holding avatar for 20 sec?
hybrid aurora
SB falling off is number one id say
craggy pilot
yes
sterile bough
holding shield charge for 30 sec
craggy pilot
1min41 with pressing it one time
is insane
like ur healer must be crying
is maybe why he couldnt heal up the 3dps
hybrid aurora
like, your healer having to heal you so much can cause him to lose healing to your party
craggy pilot
cus he had to spam heal the tank
hybrid aurora
400k+ hp aint easy to top
craggy pilot
like, your healer having to heal you so much can cause him to lose healing to yo...
yea 3 DPS died to mana bomb+arcane fissure
i heard something something about this overlap being avoidable
hybrid aurora
yeah, you can actually cheese the whole thing
sterile bough
i heard something something about this overlap being avoidable
dont do that on low keys
craggy pilot
dont do that on low keys
?
pallid bone
you let him get one orb to unsync mana bomb , but uh arcane fissure can be los'd the dmg
craggy pilot
but it wiped his entire party
pallid bone
and mana bombs can also be los'd
if ur out of los when they go off but then the tank gets 1
sterile bough
it wiped entire party casue entire party was 30% hp for 10 sec or sth
pallid bone
and by go off i mean whe nthey go out
hybrid aurora
even with the desync its a lot of damage.
cloud umbra
I heard you can cheese it and it is extremely hard. With orbs coming out every 15 seconds, you'll constantly run into times where you need to grab orbs and LOS almost behind that
hybrid aurora
your dps and heal should be letting bombs drop before collecting
craggy pilot
but idk is the overlap just gonna happen 100% of the times?
sterile bough
very often
craggy pilot
like is the overlap survivable on +20 Tyrannical without desyncing?
hybrid aurora
I heard you can cheese it and it is extremely hard. With orbs coming out every 1...
you might still have to grab an orb here and there, but the tank can grab almost every orb with the cheese and be dispelled
sterile bough
like is the overlap survivable on +20 Tyrannical without desyncing?
yes
if u press defensive
pallid bone
with personals yeah
hybrid aurora
better you grabbing orbs and doing mana bombs than the squishy dps/heal
sterile bough
if u dont then no
sterile bough
on 20 aracne fissure + 1 bomb tick should kill
without any defensive
on 20 maby 2 ticks acutally
craggy pilot
if u press defensive
entire team needs to then
and they need to know the overlap is happening
hybrid aurora
the 21 felt much harder than the 20
that was before we had heard of the cheese and were doing the desync
sterile bough
and they need to know the overlap is happening
kinda of use eyes
craggy pilot
kinda of use eyes
can you expect this from pugs? 🤣
pallid bone
honestly i think people just los'n arcane fissure is the easiest
sterile bough
yes
pallid bone
more people just need to figure out its a thing lol
sterile bough
I mean from pugs im playing with yes
hybrid aurora
pugs like to watch damage meters
sterile bough
I dont know how ppl on lower io play and I think im better not knowing
hybrid aurora
i know how they play. They go from watching damage meters straight to panic mode, then death
manic parcel
Expect influx of bears come tomorrow.
craggy pilot
but like fx i know the overlap can happen, but i have no idea what im looking for on the boss timers
cloud umbra
the cheese isnt common even in 21s .. i have only seen people attempt it once.. and they never maintained it
manic parcel
Bear will be unplayable with bugs currently. Gonna get alot switching to Pwarr
sterile bough
the cheese isnt common even in 21s .. i have only seen people attempt it once.. ...
u do that only on overlap
craggy pilot
Bear will be unplayable with bugs currently. Gonna get alot switching to Pwarr
switching from Pwarr to Pwarr? or what? 😄
oblique quarry
expect influx of sham tanks
cloud umbra
what exactly is the overlap? mana bombs and arcane fissure?
hybrid aurora
yes
slim dove
Bear will be unplayable with bugs currently. Gonna get alot switching to Pwarr
what bugs
cloud umbra
ive never seen them happen at the same time
warm plinth
We didn't bother LoSing the fissure, just the bombs.
They overlap every like...3rd cast of combs?
bombs*
It's like fissure and then bombs like 2 seconds later
hybrid aurora
you need to desync bombs and arcane fissure by letting an orb hit him to give him energy so he casts one before the other
craggy pilot
on the video sent by the guy just now, it looks like it happened after 1:20
hybrid aurora
you watch your timers and his energy
warm plinth
In any case, the bombs are more dangerous than the fissure imo
hybrid aurora
fissure slaps
warm plinth
The bombs will 1-shot you before the fissure will though
craggy pilot
The bombs will 1-shot you before the fissure will though
does it actually 1 shot people?
or only if they are not topped by healer?
warm plinth
Well, probably the latter but I just meant it's a larger hit of damage
sick sentinel
i learned now today
you have to be in melee thunder boss nokhud
hits for 250k if you arent
craggy pilot
hits for 250k if you arent
you can spell reflect that hit
so sometimes if you wanna run out to grab orbs
just pop Reflect when he casts it
and then go back in
free bonus dmg
hazy bronze
You can time it with the big circles
hazy bronze
So more room
craggy pilot
i should have figured
almost all stationary bosses like that do either ranged hit, or hit a random target if youre out of range
sick sentinel
hats a weakness that gets me everytime until i learn it the hard way
i always screw up those types of bosses
steel mauve
Just like you can spell reflect dathea as well, when she does her knock back she immediately casts aerial whatever, the same thing the adds cast, it can be spell reflected from either source
craggy pilot
yes
you can check what you can reflect in the pins as always 😄
fking 1½ day then ill finally have 4 set ❤️
worthy haven
26
worthy haven
Its more or less always 26
craggy pilot
Tarragrue normal: 226
Tarragrue HC: 239
worthy haven
S2 normal = S1 mythic
limpid pawn
warm plinth
You're not wrong
sick sentinel
i think there is a raid i need to farm in BFA for mog
hazy bronze
BoD
sick sentinel
1 hands and shields, i farm any and all shield transmogs in the game that i can
south zealot
yep
unique shale
anybody here have time to look at my log ?
pallid quiver
I can take a look in like 2 hours; got some more work to finish first
warm plinth
Post it and we'll take a look
warm plinth
Did I look at a raid log of yours before
warm plinth
name is just familiar is all
unique shale
i have been here since 2020 so yeah xd
warm plinth
Big thing to work on is your CD usage. You're not pressing them enough. You're not using Thunderlord which means your demo shout should line up with every shield charge, every other roar, every other ravager. You cast TR/Rav 12 times and Demo 14 even though Demo has half the CD
polar girder
If I sim my toon will it show haste diminishing returns?
daring marlin
Not enough clappin' either
polar girder
I’m hitting like 30% in group and I think thats a problem right?
astral bane
what's the trick to deal with the skeletons in SBG? cause they fucking tear my up, just kite the whole time?
unique shale
Big thing to work on is your CD usage. You're not pressing them enough. You'r...
is this correct rotation for aoe ?
1.avater
2.charge
3.clap-revanger
4. demo
5. shield charge
6. roar
7. clap
8. revenge and so on
warm plinth
Diminishing returns on stats are basically irrelevant. The first DR is so miniscule that it doesn't matter, and the second is pretty hard to hit without going fullbore into 1 stat
polar girder
Diminishing returns on stats are basically irrelevant. The first DR is so minis...
Ok. Soft cap is 25%?
slim dove
Ok. Soft cap is 25%?
30%.
warm plinth
No, there's no soft cap or hard cap or any other kind of cap that we care about
slim dove
still a soft cap but its miniscule.
polar girder
Ok so just get all the haste.
warm plinth
30% from rating is the first diminishing returns tier
Which is 10% DR (meaning it takes 187 haste to get 1% instead of 170)
polar girder
From rating? I’m sorry what does that mean?
warm plinth
Look at your character sheet.
See where it says haste
Hover over that and it'll tell you how much rating you have
warm plinth
and you'll see it says something like rating (+something%)
polar girder
Rating is 3750
warm plinth
Things like Into the Fray, Enduring Alacrity, Bloodlust, things that give % of haste rather than rating, do not count toward diminishing returns.
polar girder
30.73
warm plinth
So yo'ure just barely into the first diminishing returns which is basically insignificant
polar girder
So I don’t need to stress just keep upgrading gear etc
cloud umbra
im at 5139 and 30.21% 🤔
polar girder
Oh boy. Show off
warm plinth
is this correct rotation for aoe ?
1.avater
2.charge
3.clap-revanger
4. demo
5....
- Throw Ravager
- Charge+Ava
- Clap/Revenge (if needed for threat)
- Demo Shout
- Shield Charge
- Roar
polar girder
If I could just get a belt to drop that’d be so so nice.
warm plinth
i was wondering why i have 1300 more rating and less haste
5139 is 30.22% haste. He's running itF I imagine.
polar girder
The trinket?
warm plinth
No, Into the Fray talent
cloud umbra
oh yea i was looking at just rating haste. His 30% must have been buffed haste
warm plinth
Yeah his 30% is with buffs
polar girder
Yeah with buffs
That awkward moment when you think you have your class pretty well understood, and you realize you don’t know shit about fuck.
warm plinth
That awkward moment when you think you have your class pretty well understood, a...
Ignore the rating numbers they give though; those are SL numbers
polar girder
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/diminishing-returns-on-secondary-stats-in-world-of...
Sir this is from 2021. Still accurate? If so thank you.
SL?
Salve locust?
warm plinth
It is still accurate, yes
SL = Shadowlands
Other than the rating numbers, it's accurate
inland raft
lol was meant to be a dm to someone
warm plinth
quiet hearth
does Brutal vitality and 4set stack?
warm plinth
Yes...? You could say that I guess. It's more than stacking though; they complement each other very well
quiet hearth
i guess stacking isnt the term, more like double dipping
cloud umbra
2 academy in a row crawth didn't fly down after killing birds? Anything you can do about this?
quiet hearth
so while 2set is active all damage i do i get from 4set and from brutal vitality will work together
warm plinth
Basically with BrV and 4-piece, you have 20% damage going toward IP, but more importantly, 4-set will create an IP if none exists, which is huge
So in higher content when you're constantly popping your IP, you'll just generate a new one the next time you deal damage
warm plinth
2 academy in a row crawth didn't fly down after killing birds? Anything you can ...
Someone told me you were able to like...pull the birds down idk
I don't know how; that's just what I was told
cloud umbra
you can run and pull it all at once. but once all 3 groups are dead, the boss didnt fly down haha
quiet hearth
you have to throw tne orbs into the goal posts to brign down boss after you kill all the adds on platform
warm plinth
Oh
deft hazel
i dont like 4set lmao.. you can pop it then its gone in less than half a second
cloud umbra
the orbs never spawned haha
warm plinth
I haven't seen the bug yet bigwade, sorry man
I've heard some people had success by hearthing out but some that haven't as well
cloud umbra
rip
warm plinth
i dont like 4set lmao.. you can pop it then its gone in less than half a second
I mean, it's still damage you're absorbing that you wouldn't have been otherwise.
quiet monolith
If I have 4pc should I almost always be using it ? In a raid setting it doesn't feel that big
And I have a tier piece that's 385 or whatever
So I often end up going down to 2 piece for now
And just run 4 piece when lots of targets
That makes sense or stupid ?
grizzled mica
thoughts on ruby whelp shell for prot?
warm plinth
thoughts on ruby whelp shell for prot?
It's simmable now. It's okay but it's not the best
grizzled mica
oh nice
fading tide
Bros I’m getting tired of playing orc what race looks good as warrior
solemn current
Vulpera
pale spruce
Bros I’m getting tired of playing orc what race looks good as warrior
Human!!
And human has bis racial ability 😎
deft hazel
I mean, it's still damage you're absorbing that you wouldn't have been otherwise...
the way i see it, it gives ip but the absorb is at 0 intially?
warm plinth
What do you mean
If I deal idk, 500 damage, then I should get a 125 damage absorb (or 125 added to the active IP)
Between 4p and BrV
pale spruce
Human bis racial if you stand in bad
Unless someone is WF raider, they will stand in bad often 😇
deft hazel
What do you mean
what im saying is if you have no ip, and use revenge it gives a 0 absorb shield initially .. atleast from what im seeing when i use it.. i dont like it lol should give you the absorb based on the dmg it did as well not just 0
warm plinth
I'm not sure how it would give you a 0 shield because you wouldn't have an IP then 🤔
Are you looking at the tooltip or what?
deft hazel
idk
maybe its the wa
because i can hit revenge without ip and it gives ip but 0 shield xd
warm plinth
Is it showing 0 in the tooltip or the WA? or both?
deft hazel
wa says zero then starts counting it .. kinda hard to track ip in buff bar
feral dune
is bolstering bad for us?
deft hazel
Is it showing 0 in the tooltip or the WA? or both?
i got new ip tracker tells me differently
warm plinth
is bolstering bad for us?
Bolstering is bad for everyone
warm plinth
<:weird:718676218500874320> i got new ip tracker tells me differently
Stupid WAs
deft hazel
my best pushes when i played dh in bfa was bolstering and grevious
true hound
The most popular IP wa has been broken for me since last reset. Doing all kinds of weird things. Went and imported a WA with a bar for IP instead of icon and its worked fine
deft hazel
The most popular IP wa has been broken for me since last reset. Doing all kinds ...
I think this was what was happening to me.. was a genshii ip tracker then i went for a bar version
deft hazel
The most popular IP wa has been broken for me since last reset. Doing all kinds ...
copycat
true hound
But yes, as mentioned above. 4set gives brv more value, as any and all damage you deal, will give you IP, instead of say if you have 70% uptime on ip in a dungeon, you only get 70% value from brv, while with 4set, brv will always have 100% value
I wanted a progress bar anyway. Much easier to see how big the absorb is 👍
sick sentinel
abnormally long log in load times
nimble ridge
which potion to use in M+?
Elemental Potion of Power?
true hound
Pretty much yeah
There are a few exceptions though
The shocking potion for tree boss in AA for example.
nimble ridge
yeah I was wondering at what point the shocking pots become better (if they even do)
sick sentinel
RIP wow
fading tide
Rip china wow
sick sentinel
i mean, i zoned in, told them i'd restart for curse
warm plinth
😢
sick sentinel
andddddd its gone
nimble ridge
WoW China
marble bridge
not sure what happened here - but I installed plater - didn't like the feel - so I uninstalled but now I have only text where my enemy name plates would be - I've disabled all adons and I reset interface options still no luck - anyone have anything?
warm plinth
Do you have elvui?
marble bridge
have no addons running atm
warm plinth
Try pressing ctrl-V
forest bay
So i just watched my healer friend in a 17 AV, the warrior he ran with had 13% uptime on shield block - am I missing something here, how did this guy not just fall over?
It didn't even really get hairy for him very frequently, just a few times in the dungeon
steel mauve
luck mostly i imagine
urban portal
could just be in defensive stance
forest bay
yeah i guess just defensive stance and cycling CDs? Idk I'm like flabberghasted at this
granted, cause he wasn't utilizing the shield slam damage buff he did like 10k less DPS than he prob should have, so it was still incorrect I just can't fathom him living that comfortably
arctic marten
So i just watched my healer friend in a 17 AV, the warrior he ran with had 13% u...
That's pretty typical. Discords will make you think otherwise, but most players are not at 100% Shield Block. At least not if they're doing 17's at this time
forest bay
That's pretty typical. Discords will make you think otherwise, but most players ...
Idk even if you're not a guide reader, or a Execute Discord enjoyer there's no way you read shield block and shield wall and somehow have 14% uptime on shield wall but 13% on block, right?
I mean I guess there is a way, considering I just witnessed it
urban portal
if you macro shield block to every button
you have like 60% uptime
and can do 20s
pallid quiver
Idk even if you're not a guide reader, or a Execute Discord enjoyer there's no w...
People instead see ignore pain's tooltip, and go " Yo, I ignore 50% of damage!?!?!? This shit is poooooog no wonder prot war's fuckin' S tier, bro!"
or however they slang these days
They do not read the "up to x damage" part that comes after because literacy rates are falling
sick sentinel
So i just watched my healer friend in a 17 AV, the warrior he ran with had 13% u...
13% shield block is he literal isnt trying
hes not hitting any buttons whatsoever
im one to talk, i deplete all the time to stupid crap, but minimum 70% uptime on block, preffering 90-95+%, if he wants to get stuff done in his keys
cosmic chasm
hmm guild chat down for anyone else?
warm plinth
So i just watched my healer friend in a 17 AV, the warrior he ran with had 13% u...
You got a log? 👀