protection

[torn gulch]

:))

birds dogs and one mound pack in third area

frontals galore

[lusty tiger]

Explosives galore

[strong forum]

we did that ye ivan

[torn gulch]

i did that as well i had frontals in all directions

:)))

[strong forum]

DDR

[lusty tiger]

I want to play pwar on an actual ddr pad

[uneven mason]

Just be dwarf so everything goes over your head

[torn gulch]

vulpera

beams go above you

[lusty tiger]

Noggenfogger mechagnome

[urban bane]

can you just outrange the primalist arcblade's arcing strike and they don't do it?

[uneven mason]

One word: Fleas

[torn gulch]

and rabies

don't forget rabies

[lusty tiger]

And furrys

[lofty widget]

yup

[uneven mason]

I feel that blizzard missed an opportunity to have this be a racial dot proc

[torn gulch]

yea you get the proc you can't drink anything

[urban bane]

seems there's just a lot of microkite things this season. dark claw, peck, arcblade, i think axe slashes from AA too?

[torn gulch]

no pots no nothing

[wide charm]

can you outrange dark claw ??

[golden tartan]

pog

[uneven mason]

Also sidenote Everquest had rabies as a disease proc from animals, it did 1 damage per tick for 24 hours

Literally most obnoxious debuff ever

[urban bane]

yeh pretty sure they wont do it if you're kiting a bit. i usually use CDs and when those expire just micro kite until i can sync their casts and SR or stun / use more cds

[craggy pilot]

lol weird

had a guy pull the branch away from the lashers in AA Tree boss 🤣

and then when the cleanse circle appeared, he DH jumped out of it into the lashers

and didnt get cleansed 🙂

DH tanks man, something else

[uneven mason]

Just remember it's the tanks fault

Oh it was the tanks fault

[craggy pilot]

i was dpsing on my alt

in a +16 AA

[urban bane]

they insist on being their scars

[static helm]

Am I the only one having trouble with wowhead talent trees not loading in?

[sick sentinel]

i hate odyn

[uneven mason]

The first+10 I attempted was an AA that the healer left after the first pull on tree "GG tank" literally never cleansed and I survived until I had 99 stacks of the poison, but what killed everyone else is they ran out of the green circle t w i c e

[sick sentinel]

surge go giga BRRR

is what happened to us

[uneven mason]

Hard refresh the page (ctrl+f5)

[frosty mango]

Yes

Less outrange more they don't cast it if you're not in range

[wide charm]

yes o;

ok

[craggy pilot]

99 stacks of poison also means the adds didnt die fast enough 🙂

[wide charm]

so you can't outrange

[uneven mason]

Everyone else was dead

[wide charm]

in the same way you can for arcblade

or Hov adds

[lofty widget]

you can

[craggy pilot]

just reflect every 2nd Claw, and stun the rest

[lofty widget]

it's just an 8y range so gotta get further away

[wide charm]

i know

[craggy pilot]

i have CD timers on my nameplates

[frosty mango]

Just accept that dps will need to tank the little minion dudes, go in full send to get aggro

When your cds wear off if mobs are alive - run

That's the true unga bunga strategy

[wide charm]

you should be able to face tank it for quite a while tho

[frosty mango]

About 30-40s

If you have spellblock

[craggy pilot]

are we talking the 3minion pack?

[wide charm]

yeah, and hopefully some adds died

[frosty mango]

Last pack on tojs before last boss

[craggy pilot]

ye thats when you SW + Spell Reflect

[marsh axle]

hello, is raidbots still the ideal way to see which gear pieces to use? even if it sims crit

[craggy pilot]

you should be able to survive pretty long with that

[frosty mango]

When I'm fury I full send that pack. Potion, puzzle, all cds

[craggy pilot]

yes, but it sims for only dmg

[wide charm]

go in with spell block then double wall is 35 seconds of surviving

[urban bane]

bolstered fortified dark claw spell reflect

[frosty mango]

Do 12 dps on the boss but fuck that pack

[marsh axle]

yeah thought so; thanks

[craggy pilot]

you can play Crit/Haste, it doesnt change too much

just do what stats you feel

[thin cedar]

How do you guys manage to get dark claws in sync for reflect?

[wide charm]

my strat is to just hope

[thin cedar]

I like it

[frosty mango]

I go in with wall + spellblock. Eat the first set. Stun

Usually aligned or pretty close after that

[uneven mason]

I mean even out of sync sr is damage reduction

[wide charm]

it's overkill to have wall and spellblock imo

[sick sentinel]

friggin odyn

[frosty mango]

In the case of that overwhelmingly shitty pack, I will err on the side of "I don't wanna die immediately"

[wide charm]

with just spellblock it does very little damage

[uneven mason]

The hardest part of that pull is convincing groups to focus the little dudes rather than slapping aoe

[stark forge]

Is there any reason to not macro Shield Slam and Shield block? Is that dumping too much rage into SB when casting?

[wide charm]

dps should definitely be doing AOE rather than ST on a minion

[urban bane]

dont D:

[uneven mason]

Oh also the one DPS that stands in bumblefuck and eats the cone

[jovial steeple]

Wich pull you Talking about. Who casta dark Claw?

[uneven mason]

Last pack before sha

[craggy pilot]

you could, but you are better off not doing it

[amber siren]

Because then you're just blindly casting SB when you may not need it

[jovial steeple]

Ahhh kk

[stark forge]

Got it, ty!

[craggy pilot]

this exactly, but with our current insanely high SB uptime its not too much of an issue

but in next Season/Expansion it might become a big issue

so its a bad habbit of getting into

[stark forge]

Makes sense then

[craggy pilot]

this season im literally thinking 0 thoughts about when to click SB

i just slam that shit on CD

[urban bane]

huh. if i did that i'd overcap duration pretty frequently

[craggy pilot]

is that a problem? 🤣

sounds like a non problem

[stark forge]

That's what I've been doing, but thisis the first season I've done a deep dive into playing prot more efficiently and trying to prog

[urban bane]

i would rather press revenge or IP

[wide charm]

wdym overcap duration ?

[urban bane]

sb has a duration cap

[wide charm]

of how much ?

cause it can go to at least 30 sec

[urban bane]

it is what like 23 sec? something like that.

[hardy snow]

this cap is too big to care

[amber siren]

2.5xduration

[wide charm]

if you Last Stand + double shield block you get 30 sec

[urban bane]

gotcha. yeah, would rather just send revenge or ip since i know the sb uptime wont be a problem and no reason to overcap duration 🤷

[amber siren]

Oh my mistake, 3xduration not 2.5

I think

Yeah last stand (bolster) doesn't follow the cap for some reason

So you can definitely overcap in normal use

[digital frigate]

Hello

[jagged pier]

hello

[reef shoal]

can i put an enchant on my shield? bought a sophic devotion only to be dissapointed

[craggy pilot]

No

[craggy pilot]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[uneven mason]

Wat

Did I accidentally join the paladin discord, what's with the anime crap

[mortal brook]

Thats holy paladin, specifically

[jovial steeple]

😂

[modern brook]

Yeah this channel is specifically for bitching about m+ pugs only

[craggy widget]

Oops

Wrong disc

[jovial crypt]

how to sim prot?

[plush tendon]

for damage

just pretend you are a DPS

[unkempt imp]

Is the court of stars ring good for prot?

[plush tendon]

yea

good stats

good free effect

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-good-larry-david-curb-your-enthusiasm-pretty-pretty-good-gif-16222685

[uneven mason]

We know

[crimson snow]

Hey all, any advice on surviving second boss of RLP? Got absolutely trucked from searing blows even after just popping every DR we have.

[uneven mason]

What + and if you're popping all of your dr you should be fine

[modern brook]

[uneven mason]

He said he used every dr obviously

[limber temple]

Thats a crazy ass lampshade.

[reef shoal]

is there a wa for prot warriors that makes the clown car noise when shield block falls off?

[modern brook]

Healer issue go next then

[modern brook]

You can make one

[reef shoal]

i can't keep shield block up at 100% no matter how hard i try and it's driving me nuts

[uneven mason]

I could make one

[reef shoal]

is it easy?

never tried to make wa's before

[agile elbow]

Yes

[modern brook]

Should just be a wa tracking uptime with a trigger to play a sound if it's not uo

[agile elbow]

I use one that does exactly that

[uneven mason]

It's just basic if then logic

[reef shoal]

where do i click to code wa's?

[crimson snow]

It was a +19. We tried several times pulling boss but the bleed just destroyed me. Not sure if my friend couldnt keep with the heals from that and the elemental

[uneven mason]

Do you have a log?

[limpid anchor]

Did you try equipping a shield ?

But yea, if the heal cant keep up its an issue

If you actually used your cds correctly

[crimson snow]

Don’t think any of us were logging. There was even one pull where I just panic slammed all DRs and still died through it lol

[modern brook]

If you have all your cds stacked

And are dying

[lofty widget]

facing the mobs?

[modern brook]

It's a healer issue

If you stack all your cds

And then die on the next one

It's a u issue

[lofty widget]

that 2nd boss bleed wont kill you on a 19 if you have everything up

even if you get 0 heals

[modern brook]

^

I'm fully convinced you're stacking too many cds and dying on the followups

But without a log

Best we can provide is 'spread your cds as per pin'

[limpid anchor]

Maybe not enough vers

[modern brook]

Kek

[uneven mason]

They should make a shield embellishment called "HarJel" and have it reduce bleeds by your sbv

[reef holly]

I have a visual icon that is easy to see and shows how much time left

[uneven mason]

but also 😡 don't encourage the meme

[reef holly]

Also do you have heavy repercussions talent?

[agile elbow]

Race change to dark iron dwarf 🙃

[rough egret]

Go norm dwarf for that crit dmg

[azure ivy]

Does anybody know how much healing you are supposed to be doing on Bird boss, I was in an 18 doing 32KHPS while my healer was doing 30 KHPS and it still felt like I was dying the whole time….odd? We didn’t wipe but dam, felt like blood dk lol

[lofty widget]

If you didn't die you did enough

[azure ivy]

Lol

[uneven mason]

IP is a hell of a drug

[azure ivy]

I feel that

[frosty mango]

If you felt like this you weren't properly managing your cds for the buster

Or your healer was garbo

[uncut thunder]

Are there recommend adjustments to spec we should consider once we get 4p?

[slim dove]

no

[jagged pier]

none

[edgy spear]

No. Entirely passive.

[azure ivy]

It was always during the bleed

But always I might be a bad tank. Lol

[frosty mango]

The bleed hits hard, you need to hard CD it

[azure ivy]

It hits like a gawd dam freight train

[edgy spear]

Most of our healing comes before the healer. Bird just trucks and if you have no evoker and aren't dwarf you're gonna take a fuck ton of dmg

[slim dove]

you need CDs for the later bleeds.

[frosty mango]

That's not true, we have a bunch of CDs to mitigate the bleed

Most tanks just blow all their CDs at the start, and so does the healer then later in the fight you're dying because you didn't coordinate

[slim dove]

Later in the fight healer is gonna be panicking after each screech and forgetting about you (pugs)

I usually don't blow shit till 3-4 stacks

get a fat IP shield before each peck and you'll be mostly fine.

[azure ivy]

Yea I am pretty calculated about my cds, but I guess just gotta have a juicier IP ready. Thank you for the insight

[slim dove]

tbh its very hard to gauge damage intake with a pug healer.

My usual orange class makes me feel immortal. A pug hpal makes me feel like glass.

[frosty mango]

First bleed you'll have ravager etc up, infinity rage gen, just spam IP. Second is the same. 3/4/5/6 you have 2 walls, demo shout

Don't be afraid to hop into d stance either

[azure ivy]

It was a mistweaver

[frosty mango]

IV also has big value there

[tawdry dirge]

what phials you guys use in m+

[cloud umbra]

he casts it like 20 times in a 3 min fight. its for sure on the healer beyond IP

[azure ivy]

I’ve been using verse or eye of the storm

[tawdry dirge]

fury for dps?

[slim dove]

eye of the storm mostly, tepid on dungeons with bosses that hurt me.

[urban bane]

IO on bird boss is cozy

[frosty mango]

Yeah you have to communicate

[dire matrix]

always eye

dont think vers iks ever gonna save you

[frosty mango]

You can't walk into a group and try to do an activity that hinges on coordination and....not coordinate. Lol

[tawdry dirge]

basicly stregh buff then fair play

[azure ivy]

Funny part is about that boss, every time I’ve done it this week, 2 dps die, it never fails, when firestorm comes out, dps tunnel vision and die

[cloud umbra]

its all pug life still though. hard to coordinate when not in voice

[south marlin]

Didn't know what i was dying to until we found out i couldnt see the green circle on the ground for the Jade serpent kick because of some graphic setting:

[dire matrix]

yikes

projected textuers

[cloud umbra]

i cheat, im a dwarf and my healer is an evoker.. that fight is ezmode for us haha

[uneven ice]

It happen to me aswell!

[azure ivy]

Eye of storm with sophic devotion seems to be pretty good combo

[uneven ice]

Is projected textures??

[azure ivy]

Blessed

[tender cloud]

what are people here feeling about the 10.0.5 changes? I'm concerned about the change to brace more than anything

[dire matrix]

doesnt matter

you wouldnt know

[tender cloud]

wdym?

[lofty widget]

nerfs are minor at best

wont have much impact

[south marlin]

where can we see the nerfs?

didnt find any in dev notes for prot

only arms/fury changes

[tender cloud]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/patch-10-0-5-changes

[limpid anchor]

The nerfs just make mastery bis stat

[cloud umbra]

how significant are brew buffs?

[limpid anchor]

Get rid of all your haste and crit, stack mastery vers

[tender cloud]

rip my itemization

[lofty widget]

im thinking a crit/mastery angle

[strong forum]

hes joking

[limpid anchor]

No :<

[uneven ice]

How you deal with the little adds on the tree in AA? They kill a random dps everytime. How can i pull agroo in time? CS is not enough, it seems…

[limpid anchor]

Roar

Taunt

Shocking pot.

[tender cloud]

usually roar or avatar/tc spam

[uneven ice]

Its like the instatap one dps on spawn

[limpid anchor]

But you can aggro them before they are actually spawned

That’s why heals / dps get aggro sometimes

[cloud umbra]

ravager as well

[uneven ice]

There is like a idle time when they spawn, and after that, they start moving. They get agroo on that idle time?

[limpid anchor]

Yes

At least im 80% sure

[cloud umbra]

make sure a dps to insta stun them so you can throw a few abilities into them

that helps a ton

[strong forum]

no

[stuck oriole]

Gear my alt, are the embellishments still just Lariat and frostfire belt? Or is there a good alternative to belt

[strong forum]

they reset threat when they pop up

any dmg you deal before that, is "wasted" in terms of threat

[limpid anchor]

[uneven ice]

Mmmmm that would make sense

[proud dock]

for bosses like tree in AA and first boss AV, is there any reason not to AOE stun them? any mech like the shas dark claw syncing up after a stun to worry about?

[uneven ice]

As why i throw roar and CS and then they start bashing the feral

[limpid anchor]

Are you sure? Bcs 1 tc isnt enough to get the aggro from heal

If they spawn further away

[strong forum]

yes im sure

[limpid anchor]

Then I lived a lie

[uneven ice]

It was a HUGE issue

[urban bane]

Melee swing sync can still suck, so you may wanna wiggle away a bit after you do that

[uneven ice]

Also, the tree is supossed to be out of the heal blast the add creates, isn’t it?

[proud dock]

makes sense thanks

[modern brook]

Doesn't matter

[uneven ice]

Doesn’t it heal the tree?

[slim dove]

its a 1-2% heal

[urban portal]

the block nerfs indirectly made crit a better stat

[slim dove]

its fine

[uneven ice]

Ok

[strong forum]

the heal on the boss is w/e

[south marlin]

wait so now i got spooked

[uneven ice]

How you deal with the littke one then? Wait until they start moving?

[south marlin]

does stat prio change after wednesday?

[slim dove]

no

[uneven ice]

And aak the feral to not pop everything and wait one second?

[slim dove]

if these nerfs weren't posted you wouldn't notice them. Dont worry about it.

[slim dove]

roar, aoe taunt, shocking potion, ravager.

[sick sentinel]

i should attempt more halls of valor 13 14 tonight, or low AV cos

hov 13 was a disaster at the end, but we did completion it

[uneven ice]

But you throw everything when they move, not before?

[sick sentinel]

after a neary perfect run but wiping to boss like 4 times

[slim dove]

yes, when they're in the ground they do not have a threat table basically.

[uneven ice]

Ok

[reef holly]

Drop ravager the first time they come out and spam revenge while running around with your head cut off, 2nd time disrupting shout while spamming revenge

Usually works for me

[uneven ice]

With my head what? 😳

[plush tendon]

what dis? I thought this was not real?

[slim dove]

its not. check pins

[urban portal]

imagine buffing prot warrior

at this point

if this went through none of the other nerfs matter

we have like a 60% avatar uptime or something

[sick sentinel]

was this a SL set bonus thing

[prisma crane]

it was

also gave additional 10% dmg to avatar

[sick sentinel]

so, then, it was written in SL DF beta

[reef holly]

“Running around like a chicken with its head cut off”- To act in a haphazard or aimless way; to act frantically or without control.

[sick sentinel]

and then they just copied character

and nobody changed that article

[uneven ice]

😂😂😂

[sick sentinel]

and guys like @plush tendon getting huge jebaited

[uneven ice]

Thanks for the explanation, i was worried!

[plush tendon]

I mean, its much confusing

this is why I only trust my local guild news, PNN, for all my wow related information

[sick sentinel]

thats how yogi tanks hov 13 odyn apparently

cant believe we didnt time that

chicken head cut off

[reef holly]

I feel like Odyn is ez mode- it’s just everything up leading up to that point that’s a pain the ass

Where are you wiping on odyn?

[sick sentinel]

surge go BRRR

also many swords

[reef holly]

No one is kicking surge?

[sick sentinel]

pretty much

[warm plinth]

Only shitty part of that fight is the brand imo. You have so little time to get there with those fucking orbs everywhere.

[sick sentinel]

its no worries though i was doing poorly 2nd boss and final boss

[plush tendon]

we like to bait swords on the outside of the arena

then when he does his spooky circle, we have a range interrupt or stun assigned to add

[reef holly]

If you made it to odyn I would expect a dps or two knows where their kick button is

[plush tendon]

then we all stack in the center to prepare for the explode

[reef holly]

But alas..

[sick sentinel]

he went to 81% hp again and i was only one alive

such dissapointment, they died for nothing and i ran that key (we didnt time key)

[reef holly]

They will serve the Jailer for eternity

[sick sentinel]

why did you make me be a part of it

[warm plinth]

Remember when you didn't even die on that fight so you couldn't get brezzed

[reef holly]

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bptjv.gif

[lilac jay]

Hi guys! With shield block: if I play bolster + shield charge talent (that gives shield block) do I need to care about how I use these spells? Overlapping timer / max. Time or anything? Or can I „use“ it all on CD (if needed). Thank you!

[jaunty reef]

How come Crafty Ysemeralds (Haste + Crit) is better than Forceful Nozdorite (Stam + Haste) ?

Seems a bit weird to want crit over haste as tank?

[fallen pulsar]

finally got KSH! Here's my rough looking dungeons lol. Did it 95% through pugging.

[sweet summit]

as long as you're not getting one shot stamina is mostly a non factor

[tender cloud]

@fallen pulsar Congrats!

[sweet summit]

we would rather have crit (more damage) (and a bit of parry i guess)

[nimble laurel]

I wouldn't recommend bolster if you're running Heavy Repercussions as you can pretty easily maintain 95% shield block uptime just by spanning shield Slam and shield block on CD.

[warm plinth]

If you're playing Heavy Repercussions then you shouldn't need Bolster. But Bolster's Shield Block effect goes beyond the max duration of Shield Block, so you don't really need to worry. That being said, if you need Bolster, you're running it because you need it to fill gaps in your uptime and should use it accordingly.

[warm plinth]

The gem has both haste and crit, wdym 👀

[lilac jay]

I mostly run ITF tbh.

[sweet summit]

itf stinks (i don't like it)

[rugged mural]

Using Decoration and Alch Stone (for QoL) currently. Which trinkets would you be using?

[warm plinth]

Sorry I read that wrong

You do want Bolster

if you're running ItF

[nimble laurel]

Whetstone

[fallen pulsar]

itf with bolster works fine in raid for me. I don't like itf bolster in dungeons though

[jaunty reef]

I mean crit over stamina

[tender cloud]

@rugged mural whetstone or that hoof

[warm plinth]

Stamina isn't something tanks have cared about in like...ever

[jaunty reef]

Alright

[rugged mural]

Just do double on-use? I'll pool some valor for those then

[nimble laurel]

Whetstone is so great for aoe threat when roar and ravager are on CD, too.

[tender cloud]

As long as you don't mind double on use, i think dec/hoof is my favorite combo

[limpid anchor]

I wouldn’t valor hoof tho

Whetstones nice tho

All that jucy mastery

[queen fulcrum]

Calling it, 421 Whetstone in vault on Wed

[tender cloud]

lmao

[icy bane]

Friend got 421 box on his havoc DH was crazy

[queen fulcrum]

Gotta sip on the Copium so I can sleep

[limpid anchor]

It can happen, got it in last vault :)

[dusky canopy]

Gz Nando! I didn’t realize KSH wasn’t all 20s this season that’s poggers

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, definitely much easier than all 20s.

[dusky canopy]

Are portals still 20s?

[fallen pulsar]

ye

[dusky canopy]

Word

I’m close

[queen fulcrum]

🤮 I wanna keep upsetting guildies with my luck

[toxic pewter]

Dragoin Games Equipment for all!!

[edgy shell]

Is the upcoming nerf to prot big or what?

[sick sentinel]

no

[jaunty reef]

Y'all crafted 1H and Shield for sparks?

[sick sentinel]

we just lose out on a potential 10% at max stacks + passive 5% block value, which means we take like, 5-7% more dmg in pins (when blocking)

it seems to be aimed at how it works when it comes to spell block

[regal yarrow]

Do healers just not get that we need healing at specific times on some bosses, or am I meant to deal with crawth on my own?

[mighty valley]

they're a fine choice

[fallen pulsar]

we will take ~7% more physical damage post nerf.

[unkempt imp]

So on Tuesday after the nerfs if I go from a 405 shield to 418 I probably won't even feel the nerfs?

[mighty valley]

i wouldn't assume that healers know all of the tankbusters as well as the tank does

[sick sentinel]

i crafted food belt, versa bracers, and then ive put fang adornment on weapon some reason

[warm plinth]

Even if you stayed at 405 you probably wouldn't notice it much, if at all 🤷

[unkempt imp]

Haha yeah I'm just saying I'm prolly getting more defensive value from upgrading my shield than I am losing in nerfs

[warm plinth]

Why would you notice it on Crawth

[sick sentinel]

also not to mention the effect that str and mastery has on blocking power

[fallen pulsar]

initial peck damage

[warm plinth]

It's not blockable

It used to be

[fallen pulsar]

ah thats what you mean

[warm plinth]

But it got changed like a week and a half/2 weeks ago

No avoidance works on it at all

[sick sentinel]

no, best thing to do on crawth it seems is invite evoker to remove 1 of every 4 bleeds, and for you, not take damage by stand in orange circle

[mighty valley]

I think it basically only affects the tankbusters where we were getting value out of spell block for them

[sick sentinel]

rest of that fight seems like not much you an control

[warm plinth]

That mechanic is what we call in the trade, bullshit

[sick sentinel]

well, by that logic hyrja KB is bullshit too

[warm plinth]

KB?

[sick sentinel]

cant avoid it, does a fuck load of dmg

after lightning or holy phgase

she kicks you with light shield thing

[slim dove]

its not hard in the slightest.

[oak echo]

her frontal is very easy to mitigate though

[warm plinth]

Yes I know what you referred to, but what is KB lol

[slim dove]

KnockBack

[sick sentinel]

it hits really hard, and makes you make sure you don't take dmg on the earlier parts

so, if you get hit by balls or lightning and you aren't ready for it, you die

thus, bullshit

[oak echo]

i mean that's just the tank making a mistake. with crawth you can play the fight perfectly and still get gaped by it

[sick sentinel]

i don't want to think about no 19 AA thank you very much

[prime sphinx]

craft wep and pug first boss raid mythic imo

[warm plinth]

Shield of Light is ~30 seconds apart. Peck is ~18 seconds apart and you're taking damage from it pretty much the entire time in between. Peck you will run out of CDs, Hyrja you can have a CD for every single shield, including SR on every single one.

[prime sphinx]

psure mythic is cross realm from get go this tier?

[sick sentinel]

i miss bounding stride

[warm plinth]

They're not even comparable

[prime sphinx]

ah rip

[plush tendon]

We did a 20 AA yesterday, and the bleed felt fine (its noticeable less difficult then Searing Blow dude and Temple Dragon)

I like to use my defensives on crawth on the overlaps

like a bleed followed by a screech

otherwise, we jammin

the difference between my DK and War against searing blows is crazy

cause DRW parry is goated

we do 4

1-2 are fine without anything major

3rd is we rally

and 4th is personal

[warm plinth]

We were doing 4 in a 20 yesterday but we needed some people to have something up for the 4th

[plush tendon]

then reset

I also play mostly with a resto dudu

[sick sentinel]

resto druid is the gamble healer for me

[harsh light]

Question on a 20av umbrelskull either blessed us or said fk it and rarely spawned orbs and the ones up never bothered group. Was literally a tank n spank. Is that replicable or was it just godly luck?

[plush tendon]

do you get behind where the boss spawns and go up the ledge?

[prime sphinx]

boss interupts his cast when he hits 75 50 and 25

[plush tendon]

cause the way I was taught to tank that boss is you want him against the wall

[prime sphinx]

probs just good timing with the casts

[plush tendon]

cause it limits the spacing

and then you leap away if orbs get close

[harsh light]

Usually yes but after some orbs i went maybe 20yards towards the right, facing umbrell as you port down literally stayed there the entire 3mins

[plush tendon]

maybe the health nerf helps that

15% off

faster phasing

plus more gear

people are still between 5-10 I levels away from max I level

so every reset, things just get that much easier cause numbies

[harsh light]

I didn't pay attention to the number's to much but I'll look out for it next time, but that's probably what happened

[plush tendon]

you also might not be generating as much healing aggro

whatever the fuck that is

[uneven mason]

I mean, yeah???

[mighty valley]

i don't think that healing aggro thing has been confirmed really, it legit seems like they just pick people at random

then pause, re-randomize

but can pick the same person again

[plush tendon]

Im just thinking of different reasons why balls might not be as attracted to the tank

cause it was honestly a similar occurrence for me when we did it

where orbs just werent going towards me (which never happened before this week)

[mighty valley]

it could just be people seeking explanations for individual runs that are lucky/unlucky

[prime sphinx]

if ur group was taking extra dmg heal would generate more heal aggro they coulda been after him

if u SR most dragonstrike feels like u get less aggro on them ur healing less

[violet violet]

can we mitigate the healing absorb on 3rd boss of jade temple? or is it a set amount of healing absorb?

[amber siren]

Can't mitigate the debuff, just need to reduce the damage you take during it and help to remove it

[violet violet]

does ip help with the absorb at all?

[mighty valley]

i believe so, plus IV chunks it

ideally your dps aren't getting hit by random shit so your healer can just focus you

[prime sphinx]

lust 70% burn rotate defensives

[warm plinth]

Relevant key they're just dead if they get hit by the random shit anyway

[broken oak]

What are the BEST Crafting Items 4 Tank Warrior ?

[prime sphinx]

yer

[warm plinth]

Flame wave will just 1-shot them

[fallen pulsar]

Spell blocking the heal absorb hit helps a lot

[warm plinth]

Shield>weapon>whatever

[plush tendon]

Lariat, Shield, 1H, Engi Bracers (other bracer options), Frostfire belt

not in that order

[slim dove]

embellish is 1% belt is only better cuz it activates raid rings

[oak echo]

^ and if you use it right before the cast it'll be up for the next one too

[vast goblet]

Is the ff belt worth crafting even without eggnogs ring

[slim dove]

wep/shield > non tier slots > whatever

[plush tendon]

true, but the raid ring smacks

[slim dove]

i didnt say otherwise

[plush tendon]

if you can get your hands on it

totally worth

[slim dove]

lariat is overhyped

btw.

[sick sentinel]

i did food belt, wrists of versa companionship, and 1 hand with fang (fang probably not reccomended, may remove)

[slim dove]

fang is fine.

[plush tendon]

We also might be getting to a point where the first boss (and maybe second) are going to be puggable on mythic

[slim dove]

they already are.

[plush tendon]

well cross server

[jaunty reef]

What did you guys pay for shield craft?

[slim dove]

eggnog is a joke and primal council is the same fight

[plush tendon]

right now its locked to your server yea?

[slim dove]

yeah i mean, dont be on some dead ass backwater realm

like me playing alliance on mal'ganis

[sick sentinel]

i also did haste versa boots might run at 418

[plush tendon]

[prime sphinx]

jade serpent boots op tho

they randomly have like +150 secondary stats over other boots

[oak echo]

oh wth lol

never noticed that

never seen them drop though i suppose

[prime sphinx]

i think they'll change it whenever they notice

[sick sentinel]

i've never seen that personally

[oak echo]

yeah shame it's high mastery but stats is stats

[slim dove]

duskwatch guard boots are similar iirc

from cos

[sick sentinel]

i dunno why, but if i attempt to put an item link into chat, it just turns to text instead of something you can click

[slim dove]

and they are crit/haste.

[sick sentinel]

weird, only some items

[prime sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785109237135179809/1066845460737835089/image.png dunno just saw this yesterday like +60stats on lower ilvl item

[warm plinth]

I'm guessing it's items from the older expansions dungeons @sick sentinel

[slim dove]

old expac weird scaling

eventually it'll get noticed

[sick sentinel]

yup

[deft mortar]

Wonder if the tooltip stats match actual stats even xd

[sick sentinel]

thats exactly it, nothing im gunna cry over

[deft mortar]

Knowing blizz quality

[warm plinth]

Technically it just has more secondaries and less main stat/sta/armor

[sick sentinel]

complaint

it HAS to be rank 2, it is possible to buy the wrong item here, thats bullshit, i got the fuckin gem, who cares what rank it is, you are xmog npc vendor

[uneven mason]

You're wearing the lower ilvl one

[jagged girder]

There's any way not to get webbed on sennarth mythic last phase?

[jagged pier]

not really its the tank mechanic

[lavish oracle]

Could have the other tank take all of them 😛

[astral bane]

is the elemental lariant getting a change tomorrow?

[warm plinth]

No?

Where did you hear that?

[jagged pier]

well the webs can just be bopped off

so its not a big deal anyway

[astral bane]

nvm, false alarm, he only heard half the convo

[jagged pier]

u get like 2 mechanics with current dps in final phase

[deft hazel]

crawth bleed dmg hurt so much

[warm plinth]

You know what else hurts

When you won't reciprocate my love

[jagged pier]

ppl complaining about it all the time?

[warm plinth]

[astral bane]

butt clench on +18, i cant imagine doing that at a higher level..

[deft hazel]

[deft hazel]

i did it on a 16 didnt have fun i could manage it until winds come out though then my brain disappears

[warm plinth]

But at least you get firm glutes

[deft hazel]

atleast i can fireblood the first one off and maybe a second

[deft mortar]

jeeez

cant get invited to anything

[cloud tide]

spark next week?

[fallen pulsar]

what are you applying to and what io are you

[deft mortar]

to 20s im 408 ilvl and 2.5k score

[heady gyro]

how many 20's have you timed?

[deft mortar]

I got just cos atm

[heady gyro]

Sound like not much judging by score.

[slim dove]

yeah cos/sbg are free

like 3 key levels below in difficulty compared to shit like av

[fallen pulsar]

ah yeah, I found that getting into 20s is like a new frontier. People are expecting like 2600+ I think

[deft mortar]

20s are easy as shit tho

I dont take any lethal dmg in any of them

[slim dove]

but youve only timed a 20 cos

[heady gyro]

It's free then why have you only timed one of them?

COS is the easiest one

[fallen pulsar]

its not about living at those keys, its also optimal key pathing and mob grouping afaik. Living is the baseline expectation

however, I haven't done any 20s. This is just my assumption based on the skills I think I'm weaker in

[deft mortar]

I mean how can u fail pathing

there is nothing to fail RE pathing

[fallen pulsar]

not pathing

like, going the optimal paths/skips lol

like anyone can go from here to the boss

[deft mortar]

half the dungs are linear or almost linear

[fallen pulsar]

but going the most efficient way is important

[steel mauve]

Almost all of them are linear, with very little variation

[fallen pulsar]

I guess, but on skilled groups you can find ways to improve the linear ones. Like skipping the pandas on the way to boss 2 in TJS

[deft mortar]

I just had a bad week with my own key not stuck to knitty picky others anyway

Just not gonna do key until next week kekw

[fallen pulsar]

there are always optimizations that can be done even on the linear ones

[heady gyro]

Not really. The only linear dungeons are TOJS and SMBG. The others definitely have some variation.. There are packs you do not want to pull And definitely grouping 2-3 packs together to save time.

[slim dove]

still, 20s require a basic level of optimization to time (mostly) and if you haven't timed a bunch of them, people aren't inclined to invite you

[deft mortar]

20s are still a meme

its only dps check rn

[slim dove]

ok go time them all then

[heady gyro]

go sign up for a 20 RLP on Tyran and let me know how that goes lol.

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, if you aren't grouping mobs efficiently, you'll still lose a lot of time, even with great DPS

[heady gyro]

or a 20 AV.

20 HOV too

[slim dove]

yeah 20 rlp first boss on tyr is def not a meme lmao

[deft mortar]

20 RLP first boss was no challenge

[hybrid aurora]

well, its a dps check

and a healer check

[heady gyro]

first boss is actually okay. the third boss is fucking horrible.

[slim dove]

its okay, wouldn't call it a meme

[deft mortar]

2nd boss is literally easier than trash pack

Last boss isn't fun I gotta admit

[fallen pulsar]

I think on higher keys everyone has responsibilities that greatly impact your ability to time a key

[slim dove]

its not Mari or nerfed 2nd boss in TJS level of meme

[fallen pulsar]

not just DPS

[deft mortar]

Esp when ukill the drake first and last boss decides to despawn instead demount

Happened to me on a flawless run

..

[fallen pulsar]

last boss in AA is a big meme imo

[deft mortar]

My best tyra RLP 20 is 5 mins overtime

[hybrid aurora]

you gotta have interupts, ccs, purges etc on high keys

[deft mortar]

Cuz it despawned

and I was 2nd dps

[buoyant narwhal]

hey guys, anyone know if blizz has stopped people from doing the AV skip, when you kill most mobs from the start to the second boss, and then jump down the ring to fight the 3rd boss, skipping the entire frog area?

[slim shadow]

@halcyon shard

[slim dove]

that skip still works im pretty sure.

[deft mortar]

that skip worked just yday

idk wym

[prime sphinx]

rlp timer isnt bad

[buoyant narwhal]

aight thanks

[slim dove]

hes literally just asking if that skip has been fixed or not.

idk y u confused.

[deft socket]

is skipping the frogs that much better than just skipping most of the ring trash?

[cinder storm]

Frogs can sit on sanguine pools or jump on them

[deft mortar]

and they dont stack to aeo very well ngl

[slim dove]

frogs are just a big waste of time

[cinder storm]

Yeah, plus bestial roar sucks on fort weeks

[deft mortar]

I wish timing a key upgraded my key too

[slim dove]

pull entire first room with lust

blast giga dps

[deft mortar]

Miss destroying my key in legion T^T

[slim dove]

skip cringe frogs

[deft mortar]

big brain move ngl

[slim dove]

if you desync the shard casts its no big deal if 1 slips through

[deft mortar]

but ur dps has to have >10iq to do it

[slim dove]

yeah i dont pug

[cinder storm]

Blizz kinda trolled, you get perfect count by pulling everything before 2nd boss

[deft mortar]

or they wont wait properly for u to pull together

[slim dove]

ez when i can play their characters for them

"ok dh aoe stun"

"ok dh fear"

"ok my stun"

[deft mortar]

I have a premade resto I play 2gether with

[slim dove]

etc

[deft mortar]

Sadly we cant coordinate shit

Cuz there is nothing to coordinate

[cinder storm]

I run with a disc

[slim dove]

[deft mortar]

sometimes I yell him to get me full when I have no cds

idk ward or smth but thats it

[slim dove]

how excited is he for patch

this disc.

[fallen pulsar]

I run with myself and only myself. Once in a blue moon I pull in a DH from my guild.

pugs are interesting folk 🙂

[cinder storm]

like when you get the raise you deserve after 4 years, feels good but the excitement is long gone

[deft mortar]

I legit dropped my HoV 20 to 16 due to 1 reset, 2 leavers, and 1 call it

[heady gyro]

but 20's are a meme 🙂

[deft mortar]

meme for me

not meme for dps

[cinder storm]

Based

[deft mortar]

We reset after monk died to heimdall and we had no CR

than double melee death to Hyrja at 19 rerun

at which point prevoker logged off xd

SoF vs Sudden Death for HoV

big think

[fallen pulsar]

I prefer sudden on tyrannical

[deft mortar]

bruh tf

this dude in my guild plays wow just to make gold

[cinder storm]

I'm always running sudden death, partly because I forget to swap it

[deft mortar]

he said he makes 10M every expansion

wtf kinda gameplay is that

[fallen pulsar]

different endgames for different folks

for some people RP is their endgame

[deft mortar]

no expansion tax for them

[fallen pulsar]

but then you can't RP in fancy dragon taverns

or make fucktons of gold from crafting orders lol

[lavish oracle]

Why would you not just play EVE at that point?

[deft mortar]

True lol

He does M+ and raiding too but casually

his main content gold

[fallen pulsar]

its prettier to stare at wow graphics than mostly empty space and spreadsheets I assume

[deft mortar]

my guild is progressing normal atm

they are super chill

[lavish oracle]

I guess everyone in EVE has an economics degree so its harder

[slim dove]

pennies tbh

[deft mortar]

we need bid/ask system for wow ah to work ngl

[slim dove]

wod i goldcapped two servers worth of characters running a bot for mission table

🤷

[remote ruin]

yo guys, how good is strike twice for us tanks?

[slim dove]

better then same ilvl weapons

[fallen pulsar]

BiS afaik

[lavish oracle]

Its like .9% of my damage in most keys

So pretty good

[slim dove]

basically a free embellish

[fallen pulsar]

it's basically a free embellish

ye

[remote ruin]

never saw this in about 20 ids xD

[deft mortar]

I got strike twice but

its 405

my weapon is 418

cba upgrading it

[remote ruin]

i dont get it why they even still go with this shitty timegating of valor...

[deft mortar]

its tsoo funny

given crafted hits 418

[remote ruin]

its too funny like it would be to have catalyst since week 4

[fallen pulsar]

because then people would just be farming +2s to get mythic gear in <1 week lol

[remote ruin]

then cap the ilvl you can upgrade to

[prisma crane]

fwiw at least crafted actually helps solve the valor issue since you've got less slots that you'd ever upgrade anyways

[remote ruin]

but not the points... or increase the cap size per week

[fallen pulsar]

yeah I think crafting + valor is good enough

[lavish oracle]

I kinda get it, if it weren't time gated, I'd be 415 already

[remote ruin]

750 are like what... 4 dungeons?

[prisma crane]

i do think that the valor cap should scale non-linearly though, should go up by like 1000 or 1250 by now

so ppl have options to play with

[warm plinth]

It's 135 valor per key, 65 bonus valor if someone gains score

[remote ruin]

so its not 650 or 750?

[warm plinth]

It is 750

[slim dove]

its a way to retain sub metrics.

[warm plinth]

per week

[slim dove]

no cap? people farm like shit, burn out, stop subbing.

cap? forced breaks for casuals

[warm plinth]

But it started at 1500 this season; normally it starts at 750 as well.

[prisma crane]

i feel like that's a tired reasoning that ppl give, its not for sub metrics

[fallen pulsar]

yeah, if you let people degen grind, they will because they "feel" they have to in order to keep up

[prisma crane]

they have a legitimate reason for not wanting it uncapped early

[fallen pulsar]

idk man, I remember maw of souls grinding AP lmao

[warm plinth]

Which isn't really wrong tbh

[prisma crane]

the "sub metric" excuse gets thrown around too often

[fallen pulsar]

if people can farm forever, they will even if it's unnecessary

[mighty valley]

i mean, it does all come back to sub metrics, but most of the time actual game developers are operating under the principle of "if people are engaged with a game regularly and it gives them happy feelings, they will remain subbed"

[urban portal]

for sure

[hybrid aurora]

I think valor is fine, but catalyst is late

[urban portal]

catalyst could be earlier

[prisma crane]

but its far from the primary reason for the capped decision

[urban portal]

SL had catalyst by week 4

[fallen pulsar]

yeah I'm fine with valor. catalyst is super slow

[uneven mason]

6

[urban portal]

oh i see

whats DF?

8?

[fallen pulsar]

8

[mighty valley]

SL also had ass vault drop rates for tier, it's way higher now

so they're fine tuning

[uneven mason]

Soon enough to swap my 408 pants

[urban portal]

imagine someone like revvez having to run 200 m+ a week

[slim dove]

ok what is it then

[urban portal]

to gear for mythic

[remote ruin]

had this week 3 tier pieces... all the weeks before 0 xD

[uneven mason]

Sl vault legitimately made me punch my desk it was so bad

[slim dove]

maw of souls farming in legion for AP

[polar girder]

I’m watching warriors be able to get shield block up to 24 seconds. I have never been able to get it to last that long (that’s what she said) what’s the trick? Just more haste? In raid I’m like 30% so starting to diminish is my understanding.

[remote ruin]

i wish DoS back... most fun dungeon EUW :<

[uneven mason]

Hr

[mighty valley]

link your build, perma sb uptime should be trivial

[uneven mason]

Literally run hr

And block will be 100%

[polar girder]

Ok getting my build. Please don’t judge me or my belt.

[prisma crane]

they already did a major explanation in one of the many interviews, they understood what was good about it in SL S4, but it also resulted in players just spamming 2 keys instead of engaging in actual content because it would make players feel its necessary to always max out your current upgradable gear the second you earned it

[hybrid aurora]

i have seen a lot of warriors struggle with SB uptime running the same build as me

[polar girder]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/jandruus

[hybrid aurora]

could be an issue with what theyre spending rage on or how they are tracking it

[slim dove]

what results from feeling the need to spam the 2 shortest keys to farm valor/currency?

[prisma crane]

we have less gear that's necessary to upgrade in the first place now, i do wish the valor cap was higher, but it's far from an issue, and not a "sub metric" game as you describe

[slim dove]

burnout maybe?

[toxic pewter]

I think with the upcoming nerfs being good with your shield blocking will be even more valuable

[prisma crane]

avoiding players from burning out =/= sub metric

sub metric implies forcing players to play at least a little bit each day

[polar girder]

I think I’m using revenge too much because I am worried about people@pulling threat who are much more geared than I.

[uneven mason]

You're not pressing ss enough if sb drops with that build

[slim dove]

[fallen pulsar]

whats your talent build

[hybrid aurora]

you shouldnt have an issue with threat if your dps are playing correctly

[fallen pulsar]

oh does armory show talents?

[hybrid aurora]

aka evokers not being total dbags

[polar girder]

Hence me asking LOL

[fallen pulsar]

TIL

[cinder storm]

If you think about it, most people will get their 4pc by next reset, which in turn will make more pwars seem stronger even on lower keys, people would've whined more without that nerf

[hybrid aurora]

your shield charge can also be used to apply sb as well in your build

and yeah, your shield slam extends the duration

[prisma crane]

? players will always flock to the easiest keys, they always have, and always will, blizz could definitely do more to balance the others though, but those 2 also have the additional unique advantage of being much more familar for players who did them when current

[slim dove]

also most dps will get it meaning stuff dies faster.

[polar girder]

So if I charge in with that and shield slam then shield block it will all stack right?

[slim dove]

yes

[hybrid aurora]

yeah ss will extend it

sb is like your prio rage button

[slim dove]

but dont use shield charge to engage pulls.

[hybrid aurora]

dont let it fall off

[fallen pulsar]

SS is always highest priority button in single target anyhow

[hybrid aurora]

the tanks i see just fall over, its due to sb uptime

[fallen pulsar]

in terms of your filler

[uneven mason]

It's highest priority

Ae or st

[fallen pulsar]

not on like 7+ targets lol

[polar girder]

Yeah I think I should just switch to fury. I don’t think I have the skills capable to watch interupts/spacing/sb and do damage.

[fallen pulsar]

or 5+ in avatar

[urban bane]

nono dont give up!

[hybrid aurora]

you have the skills

[urban bane]

you get better

just takes practice

[uneven mason]

You interrupt as fury to bro

[cinder storm]

shame shame shame 📯

[mighty valley]

here's the secret: most dps specs have more complicated base rotations and have more mechanics thrust upon them

[polar girder]

Yeah but if we wipe I can blame the healer/tank

[uneven mason]

I find fury too complex "don't spend rage" broke my brain

[mighty valley]

once you get tanking fundamentals, it's easier than dpsing well imo

[slim dove]

fury base rotation is pretty omegalul tbh

[fallen pulsar]

it takes practice @polar girder , I started tanking this season. My awareness and play has gone up a lot since week 1 of DF lol

[hybrid aurora]

we had a number of people blaming the healers when we were wiping in h dathea back when we progged it

i kicked em all and we killed it

[fallen pulsar]

but week 1 I was still very much learning to manage it all

[uneven mason]

Then they just leave you dead and solo the rest of the place

[polar girder]

Fair

[urban bane]

that's by WCL count, right? so it isnt really effective, in-combat SB, ya?

[cinder storm]

"Ok raid, press Yes if you think we need to swap healers press N if we keep prog"

[fallen pulsar]

like, week 1-2 of DF I was way underusing IP

[polar girder]

Just feel like I’m not “getting it”

But I’ll keep slamming my dick in the door.

[hybrid aurora]

cya!

[cinder storm]

gottem

[mighty valley]

your name is patient player, i believe in your ability to learn and grow, we will aid you in your quest

[urban bane]

[polar girder]

Yeah impatient player was taken

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao

blocked hits

more or less

[polar girder]

Maybe I’ll run a few and post logs and you can pick me apart/spit in my mouth / etc

[fallen pulsar]

ah

[polar girder]

Should I be able to tank a +15 at 396 ilvl

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[polar girder]

Maybe I’m reaching too high?

[fallen pulsar]

nope

[polar girder]

Even with puggers?

[fallen pulsar]

yes

[uneven mason]

396 should be fine

[fallen pulsar]

I was pugging 15-16s at that ilvl

[uneven mason]

The real lotto is if you get 3 DPS who can kick shit

[polar girder]

But it’s established you are a skilled player sir.

[fallen pulsar]

lmfao. I'm decent I guess

[hybrid aurora]

I can give you my WA package where i track my abilities/buffs etc. Helps to track sb and prio my rage spending.

[fallen pulsar]

theres a massive cliff between me and the good ones

[hybrid aurora]

that's what mine look like. Not perfect, but they work well.

[polar girder]

I’ll take whatever you can give me to help. I want so badly to be better.

[hybrid aurora]

ill DM you the export

[polar girder]

😘

[cinder storm]

[urban bane]

you got this dont give up

[fallen pulsar]

honestly, the most important WAs I've been using is a rage and IP tracker lol.

[urban bane]

you'll probably fuck up but that's how you learn and people have fucked up before and gotten better

[cinder storm]

For me its SB and Avatar

[fallen pulsar]

oh yeah SB timer too

[polar girder]

I feel like avatar is always available.

[warm plinth]

Someone needs to make a WA that does the GTFO sound (the buzzer sound) whenever you hit max rage 😂

[fallen pulsar]

SB, rage, and IP trackers are the most important WAs to me

I can't stop myself from looking at my hotbars for everything else

even though they;re in my WA

[polar raptor]

something that might help you, is creating two macro's with your IP & Shield Slam to both include Shield Block. Can help with uptime while learning the class

[verbal wren]

@polar girder my advice would be to play slightly above your comfort level and consciously play to learn. Pick something like "I will maintain IP this run" or "I will focus on interrupts this run". Too easy and you'll just keep making the same mistakes and not realize the consequences. Too hard and you'll just sit there reacting/panicking without actually learning.

[warm plinth]

Are you running Barbaric Training

[fallen pulsar]

is shuwar doing itf?

hmmm

[warm plinth]

Sounds like maybe you're not pressing abilities enough in general

compare your rage generation to his (like total amount generated)

[urban bane]

missing casts of demo shout?

[fallen pulsar]

what is this on, dungeons? raid?

[urban bane]

or ravager?

also potentially obvious question, how long was the key for both of you?

[warm plinth]

6% haste does not = double revenge casts

Not even close

[urban bane]

yeh no haste stacking will do that lmao

[hybrid aurora]

i dont need more haste, but i want it

[polar girder]

Ok. Seems like solid advice

[urban bane]

?

SS outburst gens more rage than TC

[warm plinth]

Yes

[fallen pulsar]

Man, I am so close to 99 parsing all normal raid fights. I gotta find some extra uptime/cheese more damage

[slim dove]

pay for PIs

[hybrid aurora]

just nab yourself a PI

[fallen pulsar]

our priest gives it to the prot paladin so he can keep up 😛

I'll need to beg harder

[hybrid aurora]

f that, its normal

PI the pwar obvi

[fallen pulsar]

yee its done in good fun @hybrid aurora we're not taking normal seriously at all lmao

just farming for alts at this point

[warm plinth]

TC = 10 rage with outburst
SS = 40 rage with outburst

[barren geyser]

quick question:
Should I yell at my tanks for not having Shield Block up on Terros Line?

[warm plinth]

Just compare rage generated. I'm guessing he has a lot more

[hybrid aurora]

if they are actively tanking, they should have sb up

[fallen pulsar]

thats just luck I guess

dunno, it might

[hybrid aurora]

haste has an effect on gcd, so it would affect rage gen

but you'd need a large enough differential to make a substantial difference

between two chars

[warm plinth]

Bloodsurge is just RNG. It's not RPPM it's just flat 10% chance per bleed tick to give rage

[hybrid aurora]

Lacking haste on a VDH felt more impactful than on PWAR for me

[lusty tiger]

ye

dh rushes to slurp your souls many times over

prot war just use sb

[hybrid aurora]

VDH at the beginning of the xpac, I felt like I was constantly fighting for my life. Maybe it's different now, but i ditched that class after the 12% unnecessary nerf

[barren geyser]

definitely true

I am wondering about the line specifically tho
You cant block it afaik, so the damage of the line itself shouldnt get reduced by it, right?

[vernal lagoon]

woo ❤️ I know most people will go "lol noob" but for the first time since M+ released I fully tanked to a 1500 rating.

[warm plinth]

Can you link the log?

[fallen pulsar]

congrats!

[warm plinth]

Congrats!

[lusty tiger]

all 10s?

[fallen pulsar]

reaching personal milestones is always a good thing

[warm plinth]

[umbral estuary]

Hi! Does anyone know any good tanking site/server besides tanknotes as they're not updated for M+ content? Thanks ❤️

[warm plinth]

big +12

[lusty tiger]

decent start

[warm plinth]

tyr tjs no joke

[hybrid aurora]

you cant block the line, but the point is, if they are actively tanking, which they are when they get the line, they need to have sb up. Plus, they get a debuff from the boss so those next melees are gonna hurt even more, so def need sb up for that.

[vernal lagoon]

TJS felt so simple tbh 😄

[lusty tiger]

pump it up a bit, all 10s timed

[warm plinth]

well we can't all be god gamers

[vernal lagoon]

yea working towards that now haha

[fallen pulsar]

I'm a pleb gamer 😦

[vernal lagoon]

tbf Ghash, I am having huge issues getting NO and RLP on 10 >_>

[lusty tiger]

r u logging?

[warm plinth]

2nd boss of RLP is pretty scary too

[hybrid aurora]

3rd boss in TJS is the worst thing in there this week for us. Need proper cd management for Jade Serpent Strike.

[fallen pulsar]

crawth on tyrannical provides fear to the mental state

[lusty tiger]

step on swirlie, insta wipe on 300mil hp boss

[fallen pulsar]

I have yet to die to the peck this week, but seeing my hp go low is spooky

[daring marlin]

At least AA is a one boss dungeon.

legit just the bird

[hybrid aurora]

theyll prob "fix" the vex cheese

[fallen pulsar]

I've had pugs struggle on vex :x

die to swirls

[hybrid aurora]

that fight is not so easy without the cheese

[fallen pulsar]

or grab 3 orbs while mana bombed lmao

[hybrid aurora]

that's just bad play

[fallen pulsar]

yeah

[deft mortar]

bruh

[hybrid aurora]

if you're not cheesing, you gotta desync his abilities by letting an orb hit him every so often

[fallen pulsar]

but its like, so regular to see in pubs

[daring marlin]

ye

[deft mortar]

this is why I fail my fkn keys

[hybrid aurora]

what key was that?

[deft mortar]

HoV 16

[hybrid aurora]

where is your lust class?

[deft mortar]

their dps drags down my dps

We had drums

[slim dove]

perfectly timable with that overall.

[deft mortar]

who wants to time a 16

was a ++

[hybrid aurora]

im guessing people were dying?

[deft mortar]

like 8 deaths to random bs

[hybrid aurora]

yeah that isnt a timeable aa breakdown lol

[deft mortar]

but no wipes

[vernal lagoon]

I plan to start logging next week. mostly trying to get the basics down first before I check how much I suck 😄

[lusty tiger]

Nah

Check now

Don’t pick up bad habits

Just learn to play correctly

[deft mortar]

its lot more difficult to pug outside Tyra

I meant

during Tyra*

[lusty tiger]

Tyra is rough because you basically can’t kill bosses w 4 people

[fallen pulsar]

depends on the dungeon tbh

[deft mortar]

also the interrupt stats are legit meme

[vernal lagoon]

that's actually a good point jerreee, thanks for the tip!

[hybrid aurora]

I love when the first person to die on a tyranical boss is our brez

[deft mortar]

ret and fury did 12 interrupts overall I did 18 whichi s low too

boomie meme spec no interrupt

[fallen pulsar]

I think fort is awful to time on certain dungeons compared to their tyrannical counterpart

[daring marlin]

We 4 manned the last 2 bosses of AV on 19 this week cuz an Evoker left.

[warm plinth]

Don't worry they'll all have an interrupt tomorrow

[lusty tiger]

Yeah it’s give and take

[deft mortar]

Fort is amazing because I can sustain 150k cleave on packs of 5

[daring marlin]

Was pretty awesome.

[hybrid aurora]

next week is bolstering/storming/fort. GLHF

[deft mortar]

And I do like 45k single target

So its legit ideal gameplay on fort

more hp when I do triple the dps

[modern brook]

Thays hov innit?

[deft mortar]

less hp where I do 1/3 the dps

ye hov 16

[lusty tiger]

Some fort bosses w lust feel like a miniboss, some tyr bosses(AV last boss looking @ u) feel like a 5 man raid fight

[vernal lagoon]

oh boy.. bolstering and fortified.. >_> going to be interesting to learn those

[hybrid aurora]

ohh i misread. yeah that is fine for hov 16.

[modern brook]

Hov timer is tight

[deft mortar]

and this was Odyn

[lusty tiger]

Bolster fortified… pls don’t tell me the other is enrage?

[modern brook]

If you have to wait for people you're just generally fucked Eben if it's not a full wipe

[deft mortar]

ret died

so did boomie

[warm plinth]

Can't even have bolstering and raging at the same time 🤔

[deft mortar]

but all god CRd back

[modern brook]

Also you failed the skill check at party selection because you invited a paladin

[deft mortar]

got*