Is that trackable with a details plugin, or is it default? cant find it
#protection
vague wigeon
tired pivot
it should always be on
warm plinth
Uptime is a limited metric of how well they're doing because at a certain point, WHERE the uptime is matters than the uptime itself.
tired pivot
so long as you have the uptime talents
jagged pier
Is that trackable with a details plugin, or is it default? cant find it
nope logs only
pallid quiver
Blocked hits is the actual metric we care about; SB uptime is boy an indicator of how many gits you're hlocking
warm plinth
Like we can see 50% uptime and know they're doing something wrong
tired pivot
shield block directly buffs ST damage
warm plinth
But once you're in the high 80s and up, it's harder to tell
tired pivot
it should just always be up everywhere
analog coyote
How good and important is 4p?
jagged pier
well in raid u dont actually have 100% uptime because u dont need the talents
tired pivot
well yeah
warm plinth
It's good and important for keys. It's okay and not something I'd likely drop ilevel for in raid.
jagged pier
How good and important is 4p?
massive in m+ , eh in raid
tired pivot
I said that so long as you have the talents
it should be at 100
or near
ofc 100 is unrealistic
jagged pier
well yer but as i said in content it depends
like u wont have close to 100% uptime in raid but u can get 100% blocked hits
or very close too
tired pivot
if you have the talents for it
warm plinth
I'd like to block 100% of your hits
jagged pier
yer but u dont take HR in raid
ITF is better
u also dont need the block in raid is my point
jagged pier
yes but thats why im saying uptime isnt a great metric
because u can have 100% blocked hits and like 50% uptime in raid
tired pivot
you should look at it as 2 different metrics
jagged pier
cause youronly tanking half the time
tired pivot
metric with talent
metric without talent
since they are very different
at least, that is how I see it
you should go for highest uptime in both cases still
unless there is some reason why you would want to keep it in particular
I don't raid
you are still buffing shield bash with shield block in raid, right?
if not, ignore what I said about raid portion
upbeat star
Raidbots stat weights accurate for us? Or just keep stacking Haste
jagged pier
for damage yes
upbeat star
Yes stack haste or yes raidbot stat weights?
jagged pier
both if u want damage go with stat weights
they are accurate
for dps
and thats what sims are
yes if u want haste
stack haste
neon eagle
Why does blizz always nerf a class instead of buffing the other tanks defensives
jagged pier
hmm is it easier to tune one tank down to the lvl for the others
or 5 tanks up to the same as one
true hound
So, Ruby Whelp Shell is a dissapointment.
6/6 in aoe damage. At 398 it wont do more than an average of 1k dps overall in a dungeon.
neon eagle
I can understand that aspect of it but a double nerf back to back for prot warrior is a little much. I still believe that any tank in the right hands is a good one, but to nerf our mitigation when we dont self heal is rough
true hound
Tbh, the nerf was needed.
jagged pier
double nerf?
lofty widget
we dont self heal cause theres nothing to heal
sturdy locust
I can't figure out what pieces i want to upgrade with my Valor. Any recommendations?
Got crafted weapon and shield and 385 blazebinder, 389 decoration of flame, 402 bonemaw's big toe as other trinket options.
https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Corilla
lofty widget
and we have IV when we do
true hound
This will put pwars closer in line with other tanks, and brew buffs will also bump it up in par with the rest. Only tank suffering now is bear
neon eagle
jagged pier
This will put pwars closer in line with other tanks, and brew buffs will also bu...
brah monk was on par already it didnt need a buff
dire matrix
your meant to ruby on st
neon eagle
the second one was the one right before this notice
lofty widget
i think youre not meant to play ruby tbh
dire matrix
WOuldn't even notice the nerf.
true
ionic fern
These are w/e.
dire matrix
honestly do not think it will be noticeable
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
dire matrix
ghash uwu
ionic fern
honestly do not think it will be noticeable
They won't.
jagged pier
6/6 in aoe damage. At 398 it wont do more than an average of 1k dps overall in a...
your supposed to have ST damage on it its does the same damage buton prio targets which is far more important
slim dove
youll gain ilvls next week to offset the nerfs also. Everyone will.
warm plinth
AoE does about 70% of the ST damage too so there's that as well.
slim dove
Every dps will have 4 set so shit will die 4-6% faster
mighty valley
gonna stare at nerfs written in text for hours just to make myself really mad
warm plinth
youll gain ilvls next week to offset the nerfs also. Everyone will.
I'll offset your nerfs
slim dove
but dont forget prot is dead and to reroll brm
warm plinth
gottem
slim dove
I'll offset your nerfs
sick sentinel
3 more 11keys and i can make 3rd 405
warm plinth
pog
I got my 2nd concentrated on my main yesterday and I have no idea what to make with it at this point 
jagged pier
sick sentinel
they are nerfing professions too
warm plinth
Nerfing?
sick sentinel
yes
sick sentinel
knownledge
warm plinth
They aren't nerfing knowledge from what I saw?
slim dove
https://tenor.com/view/bunny-dont-care-plus-having-fun-playing-dont-care-having-...
saved for everytime another discord bullies me for playing wow
sick sentinel
u know only require 60 to unlock all 4
jagged pier
saved for everytime another discord bullies me for playing wow
KEKW
warm plinth
They're reducing the skill requirement to unlock specialties.
They didn't change anything about knowledge
slim dove
should be BOA honestly
strong forum
I got like 4
slim dove
the infusions.
strong forum
sick sentinel
im so much ringless i might craft one tomorrow if none good in box
mighty valley
no wait you can't change the topic
sick sentinel
and no other good options to pick
mighty valley
you need to explain how they're nerfing professions
mighty valley
how is that a nerf
slim dove
theyre changing knowledge requirements to unlock later tiers/trees.
sick sentinel
requires like, XX and 60 poiints now
for the last 2
instead of 75 100
t hats the nerf
mighty valley
still not a nerf
warm plinth
It is not a nerf. It's a buff to professions. It means as you're leveling a profession, you can unlock the main specialties sooner.
But it has nothing to do with knowledge
which is the pain point for professions anyway
warm plinth
Yeah, I get what you meant. Just not how people would interpret nerfing in that context because nerf generally means making things worse for players.
ionic fern
https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969
Too much grass. 😦 I've fallen behind already.
ionic fern
My own expectations.
jagged pier
😦
ionic fern
Je, the worst thing to fall behind on. 
jagged pier
dats a tough fight tbf
copper ridge
Do we have to be worried about the coming nerfs?
warm plinth
I'm crushing the reputation personally
slim dove
Do we have to be worried about the coming nerfs?
yes reroll brm prot is dead.
warm plinth
this is my main 
sick sentinel
not really, its just we lose some potential maximum block
sick sentinel
this is my main <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
livid totem
yes reroll brm prot is dead.
I switched brm to prot, no way I'm going back to that messy class
warm plinth
I don't know if I could name one thing that any of these reps give tbh
I know they give knowledge at some point but that's about it
so I guess 1 thing
mighty valley
you get a primal infusion from completing each track
livid totem
This class hasn't been fun to play at all for this expansion. Way too much buttons compared to Legion 😦
mighty valley
so totally solo players can get a few
ionic fern
but i also hate dathea
How come? That felt like a real chill fight on HC.
jagged pier
How come? That felt like a real chill fight on HC.
hard timings to hit on platforms
same as tank timing phasing on kurog
if u miss it
ionic fern
😦
jagged pier
thats a wasted pull
which is why i didnt like kurog cause i was doing the phasing and if i fucked it up thats a wasted pull
median tulip
Funny; I just killed Kurog. He is... quite a lot, isn't he?
mighty valley
man i haven't touched ww monk in a million years, is dragon punch not cool any more
livid totem
Nevermind, Dragon punch is only for DPS afaik
Assuming you're talking about whirlwing dragon punch ?
mighty valley
Yeah
livid totem
The gameplay hasn't changed much since Legion, but I can't say anything about before that expansion
dry sierra
ok getting into prot war for the first time, as far as spending rage and DPS rotations it seems like you just never use Whirlwind, slam, or rend, is this mostly accurate?
lofty widget
yep
warm plinth
man i haven't touched ww monk in a million years, is dragon punch not cool any m...
Looking at Peak, it looks like they aren't taking WDP right now. Sadge
dry sierra
cool thank you
livid totem
Looking at Peak, it looks like they aren't taking WDP right now. Sadge
Don't let it stop you from having fun though.
mighty valley
rend is applied automatically, the other two are useless
warm plinth
But they are taking serenity for everything but aoe also so I mean, fuck WW right there.
mighty valley
ok cool. continuing to ignore ww
warm plinth
Serenity is 🤢
mighty valley
mw is my healer alt and it's fun even if it's kinda weak rn
warm plinth
I actively avoided tier in Legion because I would've had to play it 😂
mighty valley
buffs inc though
warm plinth
(wasn't doing content high enough for it to matter)
livid totem
mw is my healer alt and it's fun even if it's kinda weak rn
Is it ? I feel like people who says that aren't even doing high keys.
wet compass
man you know new profs are kind of cool but fucking impossible to find armor smiths
tbh if it wasn't for vault I would just do my 8 15s and be happy but now I force myself to 20s and be sad
warm plinth
Knowledge needs some acceleration and some catch-up
livid totem
I guess I'm tired of people saying class X or Y sucks because it's not a Fotm class anymore >_<
mighty valley
Is it ? I feel like people who says that aren't even doing high keys.
idk, it's an alt so i haven't gone crazy with it, just seeing overall monk sentiment plus inferring from the enormous pile of buffs it's getting
livid totem
which is entirely absurd
mighty valley
i mean, i played prot warrior all through shadowlands, i'm with you
wet compass
Knowledge needs some acceleration and some catch-up
I jut want to get some boots crafted /cry
livid totem
Well, my advice is this : it's not the racquet that makes the player, so unless you're looking for world firsts, try to have fun. It's much more important than anything >_<
mighty valley
lmao you are preaching to the choir
livid totem
I mean, we're still seeing people looking for which stats they have to look when in fact they're not even doing their rotation correctly (myself included even with my main)
warm plinth
I am here representing the bad outlaw rogues of the world
wet compass
I am here representing the bad outlaw rogues of the world
you can be bad at outlaw rogue?
mighty valley
i wasn't whining or talking about rerolling or anything, i just felt a dip in relative power coming from some of the shadowlands patches on mw to now
warm plinth
People think outlaw is easy because you only press one additional button for aoe. There's actually a lot of shit to react to.
mighty valley
which i guess blizz agrees with so they're rectifying it
warm plinth
I mean, shit on me if you want but it's not as simple as people think it is.
mighty valley
outlaw is so fast
median tulip
ok getting into prot war for the first time, as far as spending rage and DPS rot...
DOn't even put them on your bars
warm plinth
You literally have a .8 second GCD half the time
dry sierra
lmao ty
warm plinth
You have to be fast
mighty valley
obviously we're somewhat used to high cpm but if you came from a caster or something, outlaw is a billion decisions a minute
steady on
oak echo
it's inflated by fan the hammer or w/e it is
so it logs that high but it's not really 120
still v high though
mighty valley
and we're over 70 also
urban portal
30 of outlaw's CPM is making combo points
mighty valley
yeah look at this shit
urban portal
its fake as hell cpm
mighty valley
rogues are not pressing Combo Point 25 times a minute
court isn't exactly a perfect uptime dungeon
i'm just comparing terros parses for a basically perfect patchwerk situation
anyway why are we this deep down this rabbit hole
oak echo
yeah i mean key cpm is going to be a lot lower than most raid fights
lofty widget
look at active cpm instead
mighty valley
i'm a coward who doesn't want people scouring all me and my guildmates' shit lmao, i can show you whatever breakdowns
you asked for a 70 cpm prot warrior parse, i showed you a terros
wanton cave
does anyone know someone i can DM about m+, tired of feeling squishy asf in 13 keys
mighty valley
why are you getting so weird about this
i merely said that double cpm is a little exaggerated
and the first thing we showed is that a ton of their cpm is fake from "combo point"
lofty widget
it really is tho
urban portal
in a patchwerk situation prot warrior has objectively higher APM than rogues
mighty valley
even if we agree on 60 double is still very exaggerated
ok, not double 60 + tons of it is fake cpm
lofty widget
subtract the "combo point" first
mighty valley
it's fake!!! most of it is not real button presses!!!!
mighty valley
well now i'm exaggerating. not "most of it" but a lot
COMBO POINT
WE SAID LIKE SIX TIMES
NO
LIKE WE SAID
there's no button called "combo point"
why are you so invested in this
slim dove
What is fake cpm
mighty valley
you don't seem to know what they do
slim dove
??
urban portal
in the linkg that chimmi linked
if you subtract combo points
its already the same APM
mighty valley
god i got baited into a pointless argument
lofty widget
vdh also has very high apm guys
urban portal
and then you subtract some pistol shot procs
we are not
you are the one who isnt understanding us
mighty valley
you just like. confidently stated something, we all said it was wrong, you hardcore doubled down and then were like "isn't combo point an ability press"
lofty widget
you should look at active cpm in m+ tho, since time running between packs is also counted in the other number
mighty valley
it's fine. they have high cpm. we have slightly lower but still high cpm. it's all fine
lofty widget
missing banne already
urban portal
we have the same if not higher
lofty widget
and actual 100 cpm 😦
mighty valley
it read extremely like you were asking for data to prove everyone else wrong
and then you still linked a rogue CPM
jagged pier
Combo point isnt a cast its like spirits on priest
They count as cpm
But they dont do anything to make them
mighty valley
idk, it just read like you'd said something wrong and didn't budge at all while everyone said your claim sounded off
sorry if you were being less weird than it read to me
urban portal
yeah fan is also fake CPM also
mighty valley
and yes, i got baited into caring more than makes any sense
urban portal
fan makes one pistol shot count as 2
oak heart
did I accidentally join the prot rogue discord?
sick sentinel
ghostly strike
sleek rock
Take it to general discussion, this is the prot channel
urban portal
70 cpm just simply takes more haste
and less downtime
if you wanna do cpm comparison just look at raid
urban portal
lfr master speaking
prime sphinx
why do jade temple boots randomly have extra secondary stats
sick sentinel
it's strange, i end up giving away 90% of the loot i get in these dungeon
nothing worthwhile drops
urban portal
because you are over geared
sick sentinel
true, but also, i need the 405 fragments
yeah, i need 2, 8 towards first and a spark for whatever i make next
lusty narwhal
whats a really cool weapon illusion thats really easy to get?
sick sentinel
depends on what you are trying to transmog really
lusty narwhal
just a nice lookin axe
cinder nova
just a nice lookin axe
Last Laugh
low acorn
Last Laugh
RT
limber python
is strike twice better than a vers haste MH
cinder nova
It's a little over 1% at similar ilvl.
It's minute, but quantifiable boost in damage.
cinder nova
just a nice lookin axe
The Decapitator, but it's hard to mog well with because of its color/size
lusty narwhal
@cinder nova looking for a cool weapon illusion, not weapon transmog
thats cheap/easy to get
surreal orchid
Since shield block stacks can you just cast it off cooldown is there any reason to save casts?
lusty narwhal
@surreal orchid If you need ignorepain/revenge for set bonus i delay mine if i still have itup
cinder nova
Primal Mastery looks spicy
Blood Draining is also pretty whacky
Executioner is an old favorite
surreal orchid
<@155395717777719296> If you need ignorepain/revenge for set bonus i delay mine ...
I was thinking about macroing all my abilities to cast shield block first so I never forget to press it 😂
cinder nova
Yeah don't do that.
surreal orchid
LOL
lusty narwhal
gonna rage starve yourself hard in spots you dont wanna be rage starved
cinder nova
Shield Block charges cool sequentially, not concurrently.
You really have no reason to press ShB again if you have only 1 charge remaining unless you're about to run out or you're actively tanking and about to run out.
Really, just smashing your face into ShB is inting
Between that and Shield Charge there will be eventual gaps in your block uptime that can affect damage output and intake.
That's when you might press the second charge prematurely
urban portal
Since shield block stacks can you just cast it off cooldown is there any reason ...
So you aren’t blocking nothing
cinder nova
I mean, holding it exclusively for active tanking is a huge DPS hit
sick sentinel
hollow stratus
is strike twice considered bis sword for tanking?
lusty tiger
Raid is 💩
fading sundial
can someone explain to me how to tnak the 2nd boss of ruby?
sick sentinel
wtf
cinder nova
is strike twice considered bis sword for tanking?
It's just a 1% DPS gain more or less
slim dove
Low key hov must be hell
fading sundial
how do you tank searing blows in 20 keys from 2nd boss of ruby?
oak echo
everything like +7-+12 is lawless wasteland
fading sundial
xD
oak echo
definitely very doable without those lol but yes those are the ez mode answers
sick sentinel
do you start odyn add by immedateily bolt i for 4s stun?
fading sundial
whats the other way?
cinder nova
Press coolies and pray your healer is actually anticipating it
instead of just reacting to damage
cinder nova
It's the bleed, not the slap that chunks
oak echo
d stance + rotate cds. you can spell reflect the inferno damage for each one (does nothing for searing blows itself) and IV each one
and yeah i run double wall as well
fading sundial
spell block does nothing right?
fading sundial
so you block 2, what else do you do for the others?
oak echo
get bark/TD for another. last stand another
fading sundial
im playin with a ret having him bubble taunt one round xD
oak echo
by then pray you've done enough for SW to come back up
it gets hairy after a while for sure
sick sentinel
hunters seem to get really excited about looting hunger of the pack trinket
oak echo
im playin with a ret having him bubble taunt one round xD
having a bop + insta cancel for another sounds heavenly lol
but ret 🤮
fading sundial
xD
sick sentinel
ret has brez now, and bubble through mechanics, so there is that
frozen berry
Is tier worth using 2pc or 4pc, or is ilvl king?
mortal brook
Use tier
fading sundial
RWS haste buff or ST?
mortal brook
RWS haste buff or ST?
Yes, st or haste buff
neat parrot
fading tide
41.7k dps on academy 16 at 404 good, meh, or terrible?
prime sphinx
sounds pretty low for academy
mighty valley
for prot? the plant wing blasts you up pretty high, should be able to pull more than that
oblique harbor
guys, what the best embelshments itens to make for prot warrior only for m+?
cedar trench
green nebula
should be the spikes one
pallid quiver
Spikes is same as the others, possibly worse if you're not getting hit
cedar trench
pin has all the info you need
pallid quiver
They're all roughly 1% damage
cinder storm
41.7k dps on academy 16 at 404 good, meh, or terrible?
That sounds like you were in dstance the whole time or you were doing small packs in tree boss room
cedar trench
depends on pull size in AA tbh
mighty valley
i don't blame anyone doing that room in three pulls on explosive week but even then you can get higher than 40k
deft mortar
Pls
No more sanguine
I think it was sanguine just the first week of january
no more explosive
Lemme pull 4 packs together and cleave stationary
T^T
mighty valley
wow gamers be like "please no affixes that make me do anything except pull and rotation"
no mob abilities either
slim dove
this is last week of sanguine for the next 1.5 months
but enjoy fort/bolstering next week
mighty valley
hmm
slim dove
yeah enjoy crawth trash amping the big birds up to 90 mil hp
deft mortar
Necrotic was fine at SL S3 too
cinder storm
In some dungeons bolstering does nothing
deft mortar
Just leap away for 3 secs kkw
sick sentinel
i will never forgive the developers for BFA bolstering
slim dove
yeah its legion.
sick sentinel
i remember in the start oif BFA yellow mobs would bolster
mighty valley
dps creates biggest spriggan of all time in ardenweald, asked to leave de other side
cinder storm
Yellow mobs would bolster, burst
slim dove
CoS rn is a fkn joke btw
slowpoke.gif
sick sentinel
oh yeah? i have to learn the cos route
deft mortar
Anything but that cursed ardenweald dungeon
With that flying fairy midget
I dont want to see hentai mobbs
cinder storm
Ardenweald showcased the design failure being locked into a covenant was
deft mortar
Ngl im all for karazhan again xd
i love dat dungeon
just the vibes
tazavesh is fine too
sick sentinel
how about really old dungeon
deft mortar
Fk yeah
cinder storm
Nah, time for BFA dungeons to come back
deft mortar
lets see stockades xd
sick sentinel
shattered halls
mighty valley
the ardenweald dungeons were the least of the cov problems since night fae was the most popular by far for most seasons
cinder storm
Kings rest
deft mortar
I miss popping my Tol Dagor pathing
sick sentinel
i wonder if cata DM would be shit as a m+ or not
lots of mechanics for ppl to fuck up
cinder storm
the ardenweald dungeons were the least of the cov problems since night fae was t...
It often meant pugging a druid or mage doing tank damage
south marlin
Should i reroll from orc to tauren cause of the stamina buff
mighty valley
? fire mage was night fae through most of the expansion
sick sentinel
tol dagor was paniful, but i eventually beat it
cinder storm
Should i reroll from orc to tauren cause of the stamina buff
Race won't make or break a dungeon
south marlin
i identify as tauren
sick sentinel
yknow, there IS dragons in fuckin uh nexus orw hatever
cedar trench
Yuck
sick sentinel
i figure if anything, these dungeons they add to mythic + pool should have at least 1 dragon monster inside of it
south zealot
Scarlet Crusade dungs
just boring and too short
deft mortar
Same shit as ToJS
cinder storm
I want the mop dungeon with the bunny in the brewery
deft mortar
Lets gooo
slim dove
I want the mop dungeon with the bunny in the brewery
last boss on tyr weeks would be complete ass.
cedar trench
Ssb on m+ would be so shit
deft mortar
Just dodge waves bruh
slim dove
mogu'shan palace on tyr weeks 
slim dove
sick sentinel
mythic + cata shadowfang keep is an evil you do not wish to put into wow
deft mortar
Mogu'shan has last boss cheese tho
mighty valley
they'd need to do work to any dungeon pre-wod honestly to make sure the trash and bosses like. do anything
deft mortar
U stack in the corner behind banner no room mechanics hit u
grim hornet
how do you deal with Crawth Bleed in Algethar Academy on Tyrannical?
slim dove
U stack in the corner behind banner no room mechanics hit u
theyd remove any cheese
slim dove
balancing it for m+
sick sentinel
i can tell you if you add this to the game, it will be total dogshit and people will moan and groan
cinder storm
how do you deal with Crawth Bleed in Algethar Academy on Tyrannical?
Pins
cedar trench
how do you deal with Crawth Bleed in Algethar Academy on Tyrannical?
but cd planning
deft mortar
I never noticed that bleed ngl
cedar trench
Not playing high enough then
deft mortar
I skipped Algeth'ar ye
higher I did was 17
Since Overgrown Ancient trauma 1st week
sick sentinel
I never noticed that bleed ngl
might have been running with evoker healer, who can remove those
mighty valley
they can remove it once a minute, you gotta handle the rest yourserlf
cinder storm
AV is the one I skip, highest is a 14 tyrannical for me
cedar trench
Evoker and dwarf is BIS for rlp and AA
slow pawn
Crawth is the real trauma
cedar trench
I mean if you don’t have either dwarf or evoker just play double wall
If the boss lasts too long Ruh roh
slow pawn
I had a terrible experience in RLP with explosives on my dk healer was ignoring them and my poor runes were starved
sick sentinel
im slowly getting used to idea of turning dstance on whenever some scary mechanic comes up and i don't have anything else, but it s a slow process
deft mortar
I had to almost perma Dstance on RLP 20 the other day
Cuz fkn dps took more dmg than me
healer was maintaining 60k madlad
slow pawn
Bones aint my little buttwhole because I forgot spell block in shadow moon last week
sick sentinel
like, i had blown all my other cds on hyrja, so i turned on dstance and then after getting hit with KB i turn bstance back on
worked out fine
deft mortar
rip
sick sentinel
had something for the next KB
cedar trench
for the knock you should always hot swap dstance anyway
deft mortar
I may bind [stance:0] Defensive Stance to my spell reflect
deft mortar
ez
sick sentinel
don't NEED to if you have a DR up thats more than just IP
cinder storm
I just click on my stances 
slow pawn
third boss in tjs sucks as well
sick sentinel
same, i click my stance button
deft mortar
me 2 but fk moving a finger
cedar trench
you can swap back before you hit the ground on the other side
deft mortar
my stance button is "V"
cedar trench
oh if you click then sure
slow pawn
I need to macro a swap macro for them on v or b
reef holly
im slowly getting used to idea of turning dstance on whenever some scary mechani...
I have the stance macro (in pins) as shift +1
sick sentinel
i just make them huge and then hit them if i need to with mouse
slow pawn
It makes sense but so far reach
cedar trench
compact 75% keyboard makes f keys really easy
cinder storm
I guess
deft mortar
bruh
slow pawn
I really should consider a compact
deft mortar
gonna have to log in just to bring yall to jesus
cedar trench
imagine playing with action bars at all SMH
deft mortar
My main offense spender is Q on every class
cedar trench
q is kick
deft mortar
except protadin its avenging shield there
slow pawn
x has always been my intterupt or mouse over clique
deft mortar
^ yeah
slow pawn
I hate changing bindings early expansion I normally wait till I change class
cedar trench
r is leap and roll for monk
slow pawn
I use mouse buttons for movement shit
reef holly
I use 1-6 for main spells, with shift and ctrl modifiers
slow pawn
I tried to convert to 1-6
reef holly
And of course mmo mouse which was game changer
slow pawn
Couldnt change my style at all
reef holly
I have 1-charge, shift 1- shield charge, ctrl 1 stance dance
cedar trench
this is the type of keyboard i use but i only use f1-3
https://i.imgur.com/OSql7vr.png
for target markers
slow pawn
opie is my target marker
reef holly
2- SB, 3-SS, shift 3- execute, 4- TC, 5- revenge, 6- shockwave
cedar trench
keybind > throwing my mouse aroudn kek
reef holly
Can’t change it now
slow pawn
im def wasting shift q on charge but id hate to change it now
reef holly
Yeah on my mouse I have taunt, IP, ravager, all shouts, SW, rally cry
steel mauve
A is my charge
reef holly
And interrupt and storm bolt, avatar
sick sentinel
this is the type of keyboard i use but i only use f1-3
https://i.imgur.com/OSql7...
not exactly but close enough
steel mauve
and all my rotational spells are on W-T, with spells on shift versions of S-F, taunt is G, spell reflect is Q, and all major cd's are either 2/3/5, or mouse wheel and shift/alt variations, but i have an mmo mouse
cedar trench
Go full reckful and move with z and x and just the rest of your keyboard as binds lul
steel mauve
i move with SDF, S and F are turn left and right, which i hold my right mouse button down 95% of a fight and just strafe with them any ways, and D is forward
mighty valley
i'm on esdf, i'm old and can't readjust to not having backpedal now
steel mauve
got rid of back peddle in wrath, never looked back
mighty valley
sometimes i want a slow, smooth positioning readjustment
sick sentinel
unbinding backpedal in any video game is a sin
tight anvil
Hi guys, i recently switched mains, so im now prot warrior, how does this new nerfs affect us? will it be harsh? or just balanced
steel mauve
you wont notice them
slim dove
Hi guys, i recently switched mains, so im now prot warrior, how does this new ne...
reroll brm its dead
DEAD
mighty valley
god a lot of people are gonna take the dooming seriously
well, we don't want them anyway
tight anvil
i mean, does it relly nerf prot ?
steel mauve
99.9% of the player base wont notice the nerfs, and the ones that would have already cleared mythic
sick sentinel
i am a PROFESSIONAL doomer
i preobably have you beat on that one unless you make your own doom wads
i love doom
tight anvil
oh i see, ty vm
steel mauve
i mean, does it relly nerf prot ?
like i said, you wont notice them, it will only be like a 6-7% nerf to blocked hits, thats all, you wont notice them at all, unless you are a cutting edge have already cleared mythic prog
slim dove
Basically, our damage intake isn't stopping us from timing keys
its dps of the group and healer output keeping people alive through all the passive damage in dungeons rn.
mighty valley
hopefully the optics will slightly shift the population
steel mauve
if you sucked before, you're still gonna suck, and if you were good before nothing really changes
mighty valley
but vdh caught much bigger nerfs in sl s1 and it took a long time for the rankings to adjust
slim dove
Play with nothing but orange class, dragon, and the very rare hpal.
sick sentinel
i heard its due to spell block overpowered so lets nerf it
mighty valley
people invest a tank and since it's not actually what's holding them back from pushing higher, why change
deft mortar
btw protection fks in pvp too ngl
slow pawn
I just want valor uncap
warm plinth
I just want valor uncap
preach
deft mortar
Yes pls
Especially with the crafting fiesta going on
No point having valor cap
Since any mf can craft a 418 piece
slow pawn
yep
hardy snow
then just craft 418 instead of upgrading to 415 with alot of grind for currency
deft mortar
Imagine spamming 10x M16's having almost same ilvl reward as M20 Vault xd
Given the ability to pick the slot and 2ndrys
Its probs similiar to doing 8x M20s to have all 3 vault unlocked
deft mortar
think u can add some crap to make it shiny
and give it more ilvl
anyyway been leveling Engi hard to craft a fool proof Prot Warr CR
Safety Component etc
warm plinth
418 is the highest you can go on crafted gear currently
deft mortar
ngl I think everyone will have either 421s or 418s
soon
vault or craft
Valor will be useless
hardy snow
valor is good for trinkets if you wont be lucky to get them from vault
urban portal
valor is for alts mainly
after they uncap it
being able to fully gear a toon in 1 week just from hard grinding is not bad
slim dove
Almost same dmg as arms
no.
pseudo garden
40 16s though to get all the crafted pieces right now. Idk about yall but that's not something I have time to grind for lol
pseudo garden
It is for me but I'm a 30 year old boomer with a wife and kids now
It does make every 16+ feel like I'm working towards something tho
deft mortar
i mean if u did 4 M+ every week
It's been roughly 7 weeks
28 primals in ur bag?
Kids may complicate it lots lmao
Im 25 with wife but no kids
Damn imagine having kids aggro too
Your life has an extra affix than mine
reef holly
Wife Aggro is real
pseudo garden
God I hate teams lol
deft mortar
asking for edits
reef holly
Lol hell no
pseudo garden
I wish my work would just use discord 🤣
dark cosmos
no please no
deft mortar
having voice channels
pseudo garden
Easy discord on the phone for friends then on the PC for work account lol
I just find teams to be shit.
dark cosmos
well ya teams is a complete joke
deft mortar
its funny how much superior discord is
while teams is microsoft big dick product
supposedly
tbf the onedrive access is nice i guess
pseudo garden
The layout is atrocious. Trying to dig through shit for certain documents makes me want to die
deft mortar
bet teams has some mad security too
sick sentinel
so, if i crafted bracers long ago, and i want to recraft them with someone else, i just need the bars?
deft mortar
ye the layout is pure ds
pseudo garden
Probably yeah. I imagine our work discord would get bombarded by 4chan trolls and the company would go under in a week
sick sentinel
thats if it only tuirns into a 402, but im hoping for 405
urban portal
Probably yeah. I imagine our work discord would get bombarded by 4chan trolls an...
probably would accidentally get leaked by a co worker
then get on 4chan
its like when people post kahoots at school publically on reddit
oak heart
unless u wanna pay for the mettle, some people sell those for 60k+
sick sentinel
i quit 4chan when they made me sign up for an account
frosty mango
while teams is microsoft big dick product
Teams is big d profit. It's an electron app. It's literally a browser that runs on JSON config files
Discord is also electron, iirc
sick sentinel
o shit, i might have to check that out
reef holly
o shit, i might have to check that out
Don’t go to 4chan
sick sentinel
how about YTMND, actual question no more trolling, how much gold comission for picture
warm plinth
Idk. I always do like 5 or 10k if they don't specify
sick sentinel
5000 is what i did for the other 2
and then i did 10k first time i ever did it earlier in DF
GG ez
steel mauve
i usually do 5k unless its super complex of a recipe and we settle on a price
sick sentinel
gotta do 10 more dungeons for a 405 ring, then i'll start to push towards 15s probably, still have to learn routes for COS and AV
vivid cedar
should I ever be pressing Rend, Hamstring or Slam?
steel mauve
noi
warm plinth
Hamstring, situationally
The other 2, no
I throw out a hamstring on a spiteful shade now and then to help people out
vivid cedar
literally take them off my actionbar
vivid cedar
sweet
vivid cedar
and whirlwind, if that's there
it was thanks
sick sentinel
hamstring is one of those things you hit when you REALLY need to make sure the monster in question won't be reaching your party any time soon, like some add that walks to boss and blows up party
sick sentinel
or you just need to kite away from it in general
warm plinth
ez 50% slow
sick sentinel
what makes hamstring good, rarely, is that its like 15 seconds of slow
vivid cedar
is that our only cc thats not in talent tree?
sick sentinel
thats a pretty long time for something i can spam
sick sentinel
like that add that runs across field during dragon cannon boss nokhud
you could use it on something like that, but you can alos just bolt him too
vivid cedar
I just took an m+ build from wowhead and its taking no cc so i was just making sure I wasnt missing something
im only level 68 but I dont think theres any cc on this build right
sick sentinel
i take interrupt and stuns
vivid cedar
im just leveling but preparing to get into keys
steel mauve
i strongly suggest shockwave and storm bolt for m+
steel mauve
some like to take the fear, i dont run with it myself
vivid cedar
nah im missing a couple talent points
sick sentinel
thats fine build, heavy reprecussion and thunderlords and battering ram are all choice talents
pallid quiver
Yeah, bare minimum you'll want shockwave, but Storm Bolt and Int Shout are very good talents, particularly Int Shout in pugs/less coordinated groups
oak heart
i like the fear over sidearm
sick sentinel
spell block is if your me you run it all the time and other people you use spell block for specifici dungeons
pallid quiver
Should probably give up Barbaric Training; it's not worth the rage efficiency loss in this economy
sick sentinel
barbaric training you might want to talent out of
pallid quiver
I also personally don't run Pain and Gain; it's a...
very small increase in survivability. The ability to aoe interrupt via Int Shout has meant more to my survival more than Pain and Gain ever has
sick sentinel
put into anything else
oak heart
storm bolt over sidearm sorry, fear instead of bounding stride
vivid cedar
thanks guys
oak heart
but that's if you don't trust your mates to have stuns or interrupts
sick sentinel
yeah just take out of BT and put into bolt ur good
pallid quiver
Spec tree's solid but you're a coward for not rocking battering ram over thunderlord
oak heart
and i prefer battering ram over thunderlord
pallid quiver
It ends up giving you more instances of damage, though, which makes up partially for it, while giving you more uptime on the defensive part of Demo, so it's a tradeoff that's not a trap I'd say
that being said, i stand by my strike through statement from earlier
slim dove
you lose damage by having it not sync up with other damage CDs.
You aren't using demo shout as a defensive outside of maybe tjs 3rd boss and crawth.
oak heart
battering ram procs more shield slams, giving you a lot of rage and shield block uptime with heavy repercussions
pallid quiver
yeah, you don't save it as a defensive, but it's still defensive so you take less throughout
urban portal
more casts>better casts
sick sentinel
the one message i wish more pugs would understand, is, if i'm pulling the mobs to a certain corner and im sitting in LOS waiting for mobs, and someone goes and atacks, thats on them
slim dove
more casts>better casts
this is false.
urban portal
thats true for 99% of the specs
sick sentinel
its like, im clearly trying to get te mobs in a tight group where you can all dps them evenly
pallid quiver
more casts>better casts
I think it desyncing from Shield Charge is actually less DPS depending on pull tempo
urban portal
ok whatever you say
pallid quiver
it's not a big difference, tho
pallid quiver
Bigger difference in the damage is adding battering ram
urban portal
im not saying thunderlord itself is good
im saying that desyncing isnt inherently bad
oak heart
if you want to check the dps difference, you can always sim
urban portal
90% of the specs in this game is "cds on cd, hold only if you dont lose a cast"
sick sentinel
battering ram works with blazehoof trinket since your AA are now enhanced
urban portal
yogi
this is the 100th time ive told you this
attack speed DOES NOT affect trinket procs
outside of VERY SPECIFIC trinkets
its on a PPM
slim dove
procs per minute.
urban portal
procs per minute
vivid cedar
oh
sick sentinel
Is there a macro that makes it so it casts defensive stance if im in battle and battle if im in defensive?
it seemed easier to get the effect off to me if i used battering ram
urban portal
meaning on average youll get the same amount of procs regardless of how fast you are triggering the roll
sick sentinel
could just be conjecture maybe
steel mauve
Is there a macro that makes it so it casts defensive stance if im in battle and ...
theres one in the pins
steel mauve
ya its pretty far down
sick sentinel
our realm just cleaed mythic
oak heart
grats your realm
warm plinth
Nice
reef holly
Is there a macro that makes it so it casts defensive stance if im in battle and ...
In the pins
steel mauve
im curious about the hall of fame stuff now, since there is cross faction, does that effect HoF or are people not doing cross faction on cutting edge lol
warm plinth
It has no effect on HoF
It's still top 100 on each side
I think you have to have like 18 people of the proper faction for it to count
limpid pawn
anyone have a high key path for RLP
warm plinth
RLP is linear af. The path is the path
oak heart
just make sure to disband the group after wiping on the 2nd boss
pallid quiver
or not even
I've had heals just bail on the ring itself
no wipes or anything
they were just like, "peace"
slim dove
pre nerf fort upper ring was
fairly absurd tbh
like just in comparison to every other trash pack in the game rn
austere marsh
is it possible to do RLP 20 first boss without spell block?
slim dove
possible sure but your asking alot from your healer.
austere marsh
yeah, I didnt have it and it was rough as hell
slim dove
its an absolute life saver near the end of the fight when healer falls behind
fiery pollen
just make sure to disband the group after wiping on the 2nd boss
After a range baits multiple flame elementals into BFN along with a boulder to boot, it's hearthing time
austere marsh
prot saves me this season, I would never get invited to a 20 as dps xd
slim dove
eh anything 20+ i pug i dont really get that many applicants unless its COS/SBG
I take anyone 2500+ with a good raider io history + not hunter.
austere marsh
I only do dungeons for loot so my score is like 2450 and 410ilvl but I can dream about being invited as dps warrior to a 20
sick sentinel
it already sell!!!
i looked in bag saw i have extra one tried to auction immediately sold
warm plinth
Ahhh that means mine probably didn't sell
I listed mine when they were sitting at 139k
Probably should relist it after work
wet compass
they need to buff the drop rates on flavor pockets ugh
sick sentinel
u got 141 auctions lower than u
wet compass
btw does anyone on a52 us know any armorcrafters that can do the 418 plate boots I can't find any 😦
slim dove
btw does anyone on a52 us know any armorcrafters that can do the 418 plate boots...
check both factions.
sick sentinel
i can do shields, but my skill is only 59, i plan to get it to 100 soon
warm plinth
u got 141 auctions lower than u
oof
brittle sentinel
can devoker dispel 2nd boss RLP?
warm plinth
If they're running the talent, yeah
pallid quiver
it's super high up in the tree, so they almost guaranteed should have it
it's slightly hard to avoid getting it, iirc
warm plinth
It looks like they run it in the default M+ build on wowhead at least so they probably have it?
In any case it's kinda throwing to not have it in that dungeon if it's possible to have it (which it seems that it is)
AA too probably
for Crawth/tree
sick sentinel
If they're running the talent, yeah
i thought its preservation only?
sick sentinel
oh, well you just need to convince him to run that talent for you
wanton cave
anyone got a good WA for prot warrior
sick sentinel
roll with charisma
crimson quarry
That's like convincing a boomy to run trees
warped turtle
So tonight I had trouble keeping threat against a bear tank on Heroic Raz, what are the ideal threat generators? I was hitting everything I had and he was still catching threat
sick sentinel
i hate flame gullet more thanthunderdickhead
pallid quiver
you just wait for them to fly by, mostly
warm plinth
You can skip both but it makes positioning a lot hardder
pallid quiver
and that, ye
warm plinth
for 2nd boss
hollow stratus
is strike twice considered BIS tanking weapon? or should I just use a haste vers one?
pallid quiver
So tonight I had trouble keeping threat against a bear tank on Heroic Raz, what ...
your ideal threat generator is dealing damage
sick sentinel
flame gullet = ninja ass pull dragon flies arpund does the fuck it wants to do
warm plinth
is strike twice considered BIS tanking weapon? or should I just use a haste vers...
Either is fine. Strike Twice should be used if it's the same ilevel
pallid quiver
so either you were outgeared by a lot or you need to step up your play
Unfortunately, it's probably the latter
hollow stratus
i have a 411 i upgraded with valor
I can upgrade the strike to 411 also, its 398 currently
warm plinth
I'd probably just upgrade the 411 again
sick sentinel
flame gullet is the pug deleter on fort
warm plinth
No reason to waste valor when you already spent some on the other one
hollow stratus
I'd probably just upgrade the 411 again
oh you mean keep the 411 I cuirrently have?
warm plinth
Yeah
And when you get to 2400 just upgrade that one again (or craft a weapon if you end up with a spare spark)
warped turtle
so either you were outgeared by a lot or you need to step up your play
Unfortuna...
yeah, I am still learning how to be more offensive while tanking
warm plinth
Our offense is our defense so like
You should be pressing your damage buttons constantly
warped turtle
He's only 3iLvl above me so it's gotta be me not doing enough damage...
sick sentinel
hit more damage dealing buttons, in short
steel mauve
If its dead it cant do dmg 😉
warped turtle
yep I am, scouts honor I'm pushing my buttons
warm plinth
Do you have any logs? We could give you some feedback.
steel mauve
Most of the tanks ive ran with so far, pug or guild group cant keep aggro off me, im usually pulling off them a lot, although guils tank is getting better, pugs still arent
warped turtle
uhh let me look, I know for a fact I'm probably not optimal
sick sentinel
If its dead it cant do dmg 😉
that logic only worjs until it doesnt anymore and contuing like that leads to utter maddness
warped turtle
sick sentinel
as soon as the thing you are fighting has a win c9ndition and thwy achieve it...., gg you lost
you lost to bots programmed to let you win, even
warm plinth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ay79pVL1FCNB3btJ/
You're not casting things enough is the first thing I see
39 CPM is hella low
warped turtle
gotcha
warm plinth
You're wasting a fair bit of rage too; make sure you're mashing that IP button during CDs if you can't keep up with it with revenge
warped turtle
Any tips on reading logs would be appreciated too
warm plinth
If you look at your resources tab on the log and swap it to rage, you don't want to see these plateaus
warped turtle
okay perfect
warm plinth
That means rage waste (it'll also tell you how much you wasted in the chart below this)
warm plinth
Spending rage will keep that feedback loop going too. The more rage you spend, the more you have Avatar
Which means more damage
warped turtle
I'm still newish to Prot, stepping in after our other tank left. so all this is good to know
warm plinth
There are some talent choices I'm not psyched about but they're not going to be significant relative to just making sure you're always casting something. I would suggest getting rid of Barbaric Training though. It makes Revenge very inefficient.
And if you can cast Revenge more, you can reset Shield Slam more
warped turtle
okay, I think I have it from wowhead build?
warm plinth
Yeah probably
There's a build in the pins for both raid and M+
Those are what Nomeratur runs
(one of our TCs)
warped turtle
looking at those now
warm plinth
Other possible talent changes are to swap Thunderlord for Battering Ram (Thunderlord desyncs demo shout from everything and is also just not a very good talent, especially in single target situations). You only have 4 demo shouts in a 6:18 rasz attempt, which with thunderlord is really really bad
Remember that with Booming Voice, Demo Shout is also 20% more damage
warped turtle
so no shockwave then?
warm plinth
You can have Shockwave; that's the other tree
Though depending on the fight, shockwave might be a wasted point
I don't know the raid well enough to know which fights those would be, but if you don't have adds that can be stunned, it's a wasted point
warped turtle
This is what I'm looking at from the pins https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUUUgJVEQpRQVBBNVUVFRERFVYVVQDERA
warm plinth
Yeah that would work very well for a raid build
Though Brutal Vitality is better than FbV especially if you have 4-set
light vale
Would you still go BV over FbV in keys with the 4-set?
warped turtle
I'm gonna go hit a target dummy for a bit I think
warm plinth
GL friend
warped turtle
thanks for the info!
warm plinth
No problem at all
wanton cave
how do you know when to stop using ignore pain and to use more revenges?
warm plinth
Prioritize Revenge unless you can't prevent overcapping with Revenge alone. Then use Ignore Pain to help dump excess rage to prevent the overcapping (we don't care about overcapping Ignore Pain). If you know you're about to take a big tankbuster, then forgo the revenge and spam some IP.
wanton cave
Prioritize Revenge unless you can't prevent overcapping with Revenge alone. Th...
Prioritize Revenge unless you can't prevent overcapping with Revenge alone, sorry sounds like a noob part but you can over cap revenge?
warm plinth
Overcapping rage
wanton cave
oh sorry now i get you
warm plinth
If you can't prevent overcapping rage with just Revenge, you add IP
Sorry i was not very clear on that
wanton cave
so we dont have to use IP as much use more revenge and just use IP when we are about to take chuck damage or cap on rage?, just making sure i understand
warm plinth
Yes, that's correct
You'll still naturally have a pretty high uptime on Ignore Pain just from preventing yourself from overcapping rage, provided you're doing the rest of your rotation correctly.
wanton cave
if you dont mind me asking whats the rotation or is there a good website
wanton cave
<@219951918896644098> ^
thanks man,
warm plinth
LOL
dire matrix
lmfao
urban portal
thats a good macro
dusk tulip
How bad are the nerfs on reset?
pallid hare
#CheckThePins
dusk tulip
ty ty
pallid quiver
skyhold's closing tomorrow, ded class