its never an issue tbh
#protection
lofty widget
just gotta know when to use it
does more dmg than whetstone in m+ and has mainstat
lean gale
Grieftorch i will never get in my raid, bc my raidlead thinks dds should get it first
grave flower
I got from vault
mortal brook
silly. tanks die last, should give
mortal brook
say its necessary for a m raz pushback positioning thing
gotta enable the group yknow
lean gale
may raidlead belives that, tank should play def trinkets. He is Healer and dont want to heal us
lean gale
HAAHAA 
dusky canopy
they CE players dont even run defensive trinkets...
dusky canopy
faster fight means less to heal
sturdy locust
What flasks do you use for M+?
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
What flasks do you use for M+?
I run glacial
lean gale
faster fight means less to heal
gloomy turret
mortal brook
eye in the storm for fort or target heavy places like hov/aa, low target/tyr its vers or elemental chaos yep.
or corrupting rage if you have a mixed relationship with your healer
should be outgearing glacial by now tbh
lean gale
i outgeard it
lean gale
i use vers for under +19 bc its cheap for +20 or more i use Eye in the storm
heavy temple
ok, so i just failed a +20 because rogue used the boon trinket on hyrja
3s before the bubble spawned
and he blamed me not for putting dome on him. I mean is that actually a thing, shouldnt you just fucking delay the trinket or at least have a chat bubble pop up?
mortal brook
sounds like a rogue issue
lean gale
sounds like a dps problem
lofty widget
cant they just shadowstep anyway?
nova yarrow
how do we train drake?
jagged pier
i dunno i boon and pull and the bubble never lands on me
mortal brook
little dog barks the loudest
jagged pier
so i dont even know if it can be baited
mortal brook
how do we train drake?
mortal brook
haste or st
pseudo garden
Not the aoe dmg?
pseudo garden
Gross
warm plinth
cant they just shadowstep anyway?
If they're running it, yes. Which, you know, they should be if they're using boon
sweet summit
can i steal this image i like it very much
pale dragon
what do we train our whelp shells to?
sweet summit
7 mesaages up
dusky canopy
av first boss the goal is to hit 4 with frontal riight?
pale dragon
so we go 3ST 3 haste?
sweet summit
pick one
solar blade
6 haste chad
sweet summit
st or haste
lean gale
Ruby whelp in Court of Stars +16: 11 Single Target Casts, 8 AOE Casts, and 30 sec Haste buff in +2 court
Its Trained +6 ST
lusty narwhal
Any vulperas here?
sweet summit
hope not
solar blade
i already have 2 furries
sweet summit
sorry that was toxic :(
dusky canopy
I ran it for a little while for the racials
solar blade
but cats dont count
dusky canopy
but i cant stand being small
solar blade
nah dawg the racial aint that buzzin
lusty narwhal
I wanted to know the numbers at 70 for the dmg/heal ability
lusty narwhal
I'm prob either gonna go vulpera for racial or orc female because I think they look cool
wicked whale
<@164800371057754112>
sup
wicked whale
logging
sweet summit
poga
wicked whale
apparently you can make it deal different types of damage
like fire or shadow
i didnt know lol
sweet summit
that's epic
wicked whale
u gotta kill ragnaros and stuff
sweet summit
can u make it nature damage and one shot 2nd boss add in smbg
wicked whale
why would nature damage do that
lusty narwhal
I was thinking about going vulpera I wanted to know how much dmg/ healing bag does
sweet summit
add takes extra dam from nature and holy damage
wicked whale
warm plinth
@sweet summit this was a rollercoaster
sweet summit
😅
lusty narwhal
Oh that's not bad dps for a racial
wicked whale
in combat i have no idea why it increased
warm plinth
Vers proc?
lusty narwhal
Is it off gcd or no?
wicked whale
shouldnt have any sources of versa from a proc
sweet summit
agi proc?
wicked whale
this is on spongiewarr not spongeuwu
sweet summit
mastery does not affect it's damage
wicked whale
neither does enrage
sweet summit
arms?
warm plinth
wicked whale
but its still coded to be used while enraged 👍
warm plinth
Mastery should because it gives attack power
sweet summit
😃👍😃👍
wicked whale
fury mastery scales your damage not ap
sweet summit
did u time
wicked whale
ye
sweet summit
ur an insane tank then pogyou
wicked whale
on prot
lean gale
Do you guys play Vers + haste or Crit + haste for mythic raid and high m+?
lofty widget
crit/haste
wicked whale
pressed random shit and it worked
high drum
can i steal this image i like it very much
i really really really like this image
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure we should all frame and hang this in our PC room because it's literally PUG mentality in an image.
languid light
what route is good in NO on Tyrannical? I usually just went clockwise, but lusting Teera/Maruk and Balakar might be good?
blazing condor
Dont think it matters super much tbh
You can check on which bosses top groups choose to do in what order
fallen pulsar
I usually lust first add pack on dragon boss, kill dragon move to storm boss have lust for him, then teera/maruk, then lust is up for last boss
And the pack I usually lust on is the big outer patrol
wide wigeon
So people are talking about a prot nerf 10.0.5 but I cant find anything about it. is it just a weird rumor?
https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-dragonflight-10-0-5-patch-notes-331040?webhook
strong forum
fallen pulsar
If I feel spicy I lust double pull big patrol with one of the crossbow add packs
deft pagoda
I see some people completely losing it on Twitter about it I don’t think it’s that big a deal? But dunno if I’m wrong haha
slim dove
its not
deft pagoda
I didn’t think so
rough egret
Ppl that says that doesnt understand the nerf..
tired pivot
it is really not big
chrome falcon
anyone done RLP higher than 20 on tyr? about to head into my first one
kinda monka
tired pivot
you will feel it, but it won't drop warrior from being top tank
chrome falcon
22
rough egret
Idk man, from a 100k hit i will get 107k hit
slim dove
anyone done RLP higher than 20 on tyr? about to head into my first one
got trolled by a hunter in my 21 earlier.
felt fine
languid light
And the pack I usually lust on is the big outer patrol
that's pretty much what I've been doing, ty
slim dove
hunter dies instantly to flamespit and shit though, kinda hilarious.
lofty widget
RLP is super chill after the nerfs imo
only sketchy part is 1st boss if you dont plan your cds properly
slim dove
or if your dps are sleeping/padding on whelps
limpid anchor
On the First Boss, when does she refresh the shield?
lofty widget
thats what i do lol
lofty widget
around 70 and 40 % hp
limpid anchor
But she has a shield, it webt to 30% or so
Then back to 100
And we had to Break it all over again
Or is it a plater bug
limpid anchor
Kk good to know
dusky canopy
Anybody got a good Drop down route for AV ?
chrome falcon
RLP is super chill after the nerfs imo
https://gyazo.com/cd7c4f225474b2b5b9aab31d29008359 would you change anything from this
maybe sidearm is greedy and i should grab PnG
sand mason
Anybody got a good Drop down route for AV ?
Yee. Proc the whelp in the very first room, blast that shit, then do everything else normal until first platform, clear that entire platform, and then jump off like 12 o clock (if you land on 6 o’clock) then clear the literal rest of trash
dusky canopy
i tried clearing entire first platform and first whelp
slim dove
chad play is proc whelp with lust + 6 lashers and tree
dusky canopy
i had to clear alot going back
slim dove
but you need giga dps
toxic pewter
Can you post an mdt route
wide wigeon
maybe sidearm is greedy and i should grab PnG
PNG?
sick sentinel
i think thats pain and gain on the left picture of mouth teeth
heals for 4.5% hp every 10 seconds when you take dmg
lusty tiger
First boss rlp is chill if u take your time making sure the hail ice and your party are away from each other
Just making sure nobody can get sucked into the ice on the floor makes it so free
cursive needle
Is there a "go to" for gems in the elemental lariat? Mostly for m+ if that changes anything.
Does it matter if we put the same elemental type gem in every slot or do we need three differen't ones?
warm plinth
Same gem is fine and generally preferred
One gem (in your gear in general) should be the main stat/haste gem
Doesn't matter if it's in lariat or not
cursive needle
Thanks!
One more question, Is there a point where we stop going for haste? with talents I am at 40% I feel like this is too much.
warm plinth
I'm assuming you're running Into the Fray?
cursive needle
yes, for mythic +
warm plinth
You shouldn't run it for Mythic+. And you don't stop going for haste until 40% unbuffed.
ItF is not affected by diminishing returns because it's %, not rating.
cursive needle
Are you sure? all of the top ten rated prot warriors are using it.. i dont think ive seen a warrior not use it..
warm plinth
Yes I'm sure. You can run whatever you want but you shouldn't be running it in keys. Raid, sure. But not keys.
bold olive
Yes I'm sure. You can run whatever you want but you shouldn't be running it in ...
Why are the top players running ITF? Just a different game altogether for them?
warm plinth
🤷 Because they do weird shit, frankly. A lot of them also run BSV which is a garbage, bugged talent
potent anvil
ITF is technically more dps at the expense of sb uptime.
bold olive
Right, and I guess SB uptime just doesn't matter when your DPS and heals are playing the game as they should in coordinated, high-level group play? That's what I meant by 'different game altogether.'
bold olive
So why ITF?
warm plinth
I've literally posted examples in here of times where top warriors died because they didn't have shield block up when they should have.
What makes it especially ironic is that these are the same people stacking vers because they think they need it to survive.
potent anvil
With HR, you can still do a lot of aoe dmg without having to worry about gaps in sb. Unless you're trying to push as much dmg as possible, you play ITF.
Your play will matter more than the choice between HR and ITF, imo.
warm plinth
Well, like I said, people can play what they want. Personally, I've had this discussion too many times to want to have it again. It's your game friends, enjoy it how you want. Just don't yell at me when you die because you didn't have Shield Block to press
bold olive
I wasn't having a discussion with you, sorry if it seemed like I was trying to argue - I just don't know how the top players become that highly rated if they're making wrong decisions at such a basic level and wanted to understand.
cursive needle
Haha well im just genuinely curious, I like having these conversations, it helps me "theorycraft" and know my class a lot better.
warm plinth
I wasn't being passive aggressive and I wasn't implying that you were trying to argue. Hence why I called it a discussion instead of a debate or an argument...
potent anvil
People at the top basically means they put in more hours into the game than the rest of us.
chrome falcon
I wasn't having a discussion with you, sorry if it seemed like I was trying to a...
being good at keys =/= being good at your class
chrome falcon
People at the top basically means they put in more hours into the game than the ...
this this this extremely this
if you do keys 8 hours a day 7 days a week
you're gonna be top 100
there are very very few people who actually nolife this content
so they're the "best" at it
cursive needle
TLDR ITF for damage If I am confident enough in keeping SB up 100% of the time. other wise HR.
chrome falcon
TLDR ITF for damage If I am confident enough in keeping SB up 100% of the time. ...
you will not keep up SB 100% of the time with ITF
warm plinth
*unless you have a ton of haste
But it's more like...you have no leniency (even with high haste). HR makes it easy to have 100% uptime and then some
It's a much safer talent
cursive needle
Thanks for the info! very much appreciated!
uneven ice
Hi guys! With thus equipment, which keystone i’m supossed to be able to tank?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/sanguino/töra
I mean, at wich keystone i shouldn’t be gigaslapped
sick sentinel
-10 ilvl from reward usually
chrome falcon
you could do 20s in that if you and your group were very skilled
for pugs, 15s probably
last mason
cursive needle
you will not keep up SB 100% of the time with ITF
Well, theres a lot of cases in mythic plus i dont need it up (when im not being meleed)
sick sentinel
yogi forever ringless
warm plinth
Well, theres a lot of cases in mythic plus i dont need it up (when im not being ...
Where in M+ are you not being meleed? And don't forget that Shield Block also buffs Shield Slam damage by 30%.
cursive needle
When mobs are casting, when bosses are casting/stunned/rping/ ? in between pulls. when kiting ect.
I do know there is 30% more damage with SB up.
stone condor
for prot warrior is there a specific spell from the ruby welp shell we look out for
daring marlin
Ghash's crusade against ITF is the funniest thing in this discord.
frosty mango
Is there a reason why everyone clamors for dks for dathea? I just tanked it out of necessity but it feels like disrupting shout is way better than abom
Press disrupt, walk to other side, adds are stacked?
warm plinth
K
torpid fiber
Probably because dks always(almost always?) spec abom limb so they don’t have to worry about a warr not having the talent
daring marlin
unironically you
warm plinth
k
daring marlin
sick sentinel
doin old world BFA WQ cuz i got 4 rep chests to unlock
frosty mango
HoV is so cursed. Failed a 20 by 1 minute no deaths
It's all route
frosty mango
Like you have to skip sentinels and do bears after second boss
sand mason
You can’t pull bigger or faster
deft mortar
sentinels are ez asf
frosty mango
There's a lot of small pulls that will fuck your timer
sand mason
Yup we did that
Double every pack in the hall way
We didn’t do the giga triple pull on start which is why I think we tossed
frosty mango
You can’t pull bigger or faster
You can avoid small pulls with creative pathing. It's not about easy it's about efficiency
sand mason
But that pull is cancer with sanguine and explosives
frosty mango
We didn’t do the giga triple pull on start which is why I think we tossed
Triple all the way to hyrja imo
deft mortar
I am so fkn tired of tanking sanguine and explosive
deft mortar
Every fkn pack it tires me more
sand mason
I can live triples for sure
frosty mango
We do
deft mortar
Any mechanic that is against chain pulling makes me wanna rip my hair ngl
deft mortar
I prefer necrotic over sanguine or explosive
south zealot
Any mechanic that is against chain pulling makes me wanna rip my hair ngl
wait until you get bolstering
deft mortar
I had bolstering back in legion when it act did things bruh
like trigger off of critters xDxdxdXD
frosty mango
HoV NGL needs a timer nerf
frosty mango
They could add a minute, timing it at 20 is just rough and you gotta do a lot of unintuitive shit
lofty widget
go nelf and wolf is easy
frosty mango
Hyrja also a lot of melee don't dps sanctify
Not sure why
Espec after the changes
frosty mango
It's always the same. Find safe spot. 2 orbs, rotate
The safe spot is always safe for 2 sets then rotate and that's the same spot
deft mortar
also sometimes 405+ 2.4k+ ppl will almost do same ST dps as me as the tank
It makes me wanna hearthstone\
frosty mango
I normally dps as fury and end the dungeon at 70-72k at 19/20
Fort week is more but the bosses are so beefy on tyrannical
deft mortar
I overall 65kish as tonk but thats based off Fortfiied
RBL and Algeth'ar ill overall good
south zealot
go nelf and wolf is easy
never switch off pandaren
frosty mango
Last time I tanked it I think I was at 55k overall but I'm not a tank main so my prot gear is kinda scuffed
deft mortar
omg yday failed to time an RBL 20 cuz dps couldnt kill the big adds shield before explosion
and than I was 2nd dps in the last boss fight
Ithink priest could just dispell it idk
DHs do
frosty mango
omg yday failed to time an RBL 20 cuz dps couldnt kill the big adds shield befor...
Like the boss? Or the dancers
wintry nymph
on subcreation i saw this build for hc rasza
don't you need a 2nd cc for the orbs?
next to interrupt
or does shield charge count
jagged pier
Well barbaric is and aweful choice
And you dont save sc for them
Personally i run stormbolt as well
jagged pier
But now i have a monk co tank so i jist stand on him and he rings them
wintry nymph
felt odd not running sb
jagged pier
And i have stormbolt to snipe some that dont get cleared
wintry nymph
thanks
crystal bear
I’m using my racial too Tauren stomp
wintry nymph
im orc, but thanks for advice
wintry nymph
i don't play prot too much
crystal bear
I like the throw va ras hit his shield for like 300k
wintry nymph
but i know how to handle it and were are missing a tank, so im filling in
jagged pier
And have sw for ever blast at the end
wintry nymph
just gotta get a good build for rasza
jagged pier
Wrecking throw is huge
wintry nymph
ill look into warcraftlog builds i guess?
crystal bear
Yeah that’s the name
balmy narwhal
with spell block do i have to activate shield block too
jagged pier
I wouldnt follow subcrearion for anhthing
lofty widget
with spell block do i have to activate shield block too
if you want 100 % chance to block yes
jagged pier
Anything*
crystal bear
It’s always looking at builds why they take the build .
And what suits you the best
wintry nymph
this guy seems like a good one to yoink talents from :)
jagged pier
Yer i forgot to change go to one of the others
wintry nymph
will do
weary saddle
AV Azureblade spawns an add (dragonkin). does this needs to be tanked?
jagged pier
More defewnive and woth the correct stuff
lofty widget
AV Azureblade spawns an add (dragonkin). does this needs to be tanked?
nop
tired pivot
AV Azureblade spawns an add (dragonkin). does this needs to be tanked?
either way, you want to place the boss on top of it for cleave
weary saddle
then RLP 2nd boss Korkis spawns fire elemental... needs to be interrupted but no need to keep threat right?
lofty widget
you should be on that add otherwise it melees the dps
wintry nymph
thanks for help once again
jagged pier
If theres an add on a boss fight u should always be next to it
jagged pier
thanks for help once again
No
weary saddle
but the add is grounded / rooted
jagged pier
Problem
dire matrix
but it will hit people
jagged pier
Yer but cleave damage is a thing
dire matrix
and you want to hit it
that boss is really silly
parry 1-2 hits
0 dmg
take all 4
tired pivot
there is almost never a situation where the boss spawns an add, and you don't want to go to it
strange chasm
hello q does order : ravager -> tr -> demo sh is correnct ?
jagged pier
No
balmy narwhal
is there a way to see what talents most tanks use for a specific m+ dungeon?
Not talking about general guide
jagged pier
Rav -> charge -> avatar -> demo -> Tr -> rotation
tired pivot
at their highest level
strange chasm
@jagged pier ty
jagged pier
Np
strange chasm
i try to keep ss -> rev -> tc but .... i lock myself into cd
frosty mango
is there a way to see what talents most tanks use for a specific m+ dungeon?
Subcreation tracks this info
trim hill
hello q does order : ravager -> tr -> demo sh is correnct ?
A lot of guides and even dorki’s say to do this but I’m not sure why. Def better to pre ravager and shield charge in and then demo before roar
strange chasm
i use sc as interupt
jagged pier
And using shielc charge out of demo and avater is huge int
tired pivot
the thing I dislike about this opener is the initial aggro
jagged pier
Thats why ravaging first gives u aggro
blazing condor
rav > charge + avatar
tired pivot
not really on bigger pulls
blazing condor
then just pop cds
tired pivot
it is fine on a small pack
daring marlin
not really on bigger pulls
you wat m8
tired pivot
but on double pack, you are a bit late with aggro if you don't have mass taunt or Tr or Shield charge at the start
especially if you try to add a demo shout before the TR
strange chasm
even on 3x hov pull i do shit dos 😦
tame jungle
last boss in nochud should is it a thing to use interveene for players being targed by the spear?
lofty widget
your dps could also chill for 1-2 globals
lofty widget
or just have aoe taunt for those huge pulls
daring marlin
Them starting before mobs are gathered is a dps loss
frosty mango
even on 3x hov pull i do shit dos 😦
I'm confused, what do you consider shit dps? I'm over 200k for most of this pull
sick sentinel
UMMNB
sick sentinel
19k visions, lets go
tired pivot
right so you can alternate cds and chal shout
yeah, alternating is the way to go
then you can be late on some aggro if you only initially pull it with ravager
since it takes you 2 more globals to get that aggro
lofty widget
youre also charging in, so you should bei n the pack before melee dps
plenty of time to get 2 globals off
frosty mango
And other warriors
tired pivot
tho rogue never has toruble
lofty widget
rogue has tricks 🙂
tired pivot
those too
tired pivot
rogue has tricks 🙂
sure, but you didn't address the other 2
daring marlin
again if you're a DPS and you start blasting before mobs are gathered that's a dps loss
ergo your point is moot
tired pivot
I mean, a lot of packs can be started on before everything is in 1 spot
because of casters being slow
but yeah, I don't want to argue for my point
I could very well be playing it wrong
are you guys doing this on really high keys?
lofty widget
highest ive done is 22s
tired pivot
that is a bit higher than my level so it checks out
do you literally just do the basic ravager into other stuff
without having to shout taunt
or do you change it in some way
lusty narwhal
Anyone here play maghar?
lofty widget
or do you change it in some way
ok just checked a log and it's more like rav>charge>tc/rev>demo>TR
but since rav is up for more than 8 seconds and demo is 8 you still get full value
more or less ig
tired pivot
yeah, that is what I have been doing
south osprey
Hi guys seen "IV" mentioned in this channel a bit, what's IV stand for?
lofty widget
impending victory
tired pivot
wait what are tc and rev
south osprey
ty
tired pivot
I don't know the names yet
lofty widget
clap and revenge
tired pivot
right, yeah, that checks out with what I was doing
occasionally using TR before demo in case there are a lot of casters
lusty narwhal
Anyone know How much stat you you get at level 70 with their racial?
tired pivot
but TR also has 10 sec duration
leaden imp
I trained my whelp into the AoE, am I doing it right ? or should I train something else?
tired pivot
Anyone know How much stat you you get at level 70 with their racial?
do stats scale with levels? don't think so, maybe the flat stat ones
tired pivot
% ones don't scale with levels
and idk about flat
how much it gives at max
depends on racial
lusty narwhal
On wow head it says 102 but idk what level that's based off of
lusty narwhal
Maghar
tired pivot
102 sounds very low
lusty narwhal
Their active
I can trial it at 60 when I get home but was hoping there was someone here that can tell me max level
lofty widget
shouldnt impact your race decision making tbh, just choose what looks the coolest
lusty narwhal
It will either be maghar or normal orc so the racial will effect my decision
tired pivot
599 is how much you get
ocean prairie
whats better, strike twice 415 or crafted weapon 418?
lusty narwhal
Oh damn that's actually nice
lofty widget
whats better, strike twice 415 or crafted weapon 418?
sim it, but probably crafted
lusty narwhal
Think I'd prefer that over atk power
ocean prairie
sim it, but probably crafted
ok i simmed it, it says 0.8% better strike twice, weird
tired pivot
you could sim it, but iirc regular orc was better for damage
ocean prairie
save the spark 🙂
sadly i already have the crafted one :_) it was pretty expensive
sick sentinel
hey im new on prot warri and didnt find anything about it, i have kinda shit trinkets and didnt get any okayish trinkets yet. could it be okay for the beginning to craft the alchi stone with haste?
tired pivot
don't
sick sentinel
and why?
tired pivot
unless you don't care about crafting other stuff
then you can throw it at the very temporary trinket slot
sick sentinel
i did craft a shield with a titan matrix thing and dont have a infusion to go for a higher craft
craggy pilot
hey im new on prot warri and didnt find anything about it, i have kinda shit tri...
show your gear, woud be helpful
deft mortar
bruh tf mining pickaxe proff tools go for 2k in my server
tired pivot
don't craft the trinket
sick sentinel
like i said im new on prot warri so the gear kinda sucks all 😄
tired pivot
shield, any of the embellishment slots
are higher priority
weapon is an option too
sick sentinel
the belt is only worth when i have the raid rings or?
tired pivot
yes
lofty widget
it's still good without
tired pivot
you can craft it now, in case you plan on getting ring later
lofty widget
about 1 % overall dmg like the other embellishments
sick sentinel
have 3 sparks left but only chaos for 1 craft atm 😄
tired pivot
yeah, tho I would sooner go for wrist if raid ring wasn't on my list
since it also gives you defensive power
do you plan on getting the ring?
lusty narwhal
@tired pivot regular orc might be ahead dps wise but as a tank I rather have 599 of a 2nd stat over 599 atk power
sick sentinel
i dont really wanna raid, probably just for set
sick sentinel
wrists was the embellishment with versa for mates?
tired pivot
yes
shield will only really get upgraded in 20 vault or high mythic raid
I assume you will want to take tier slots in vault
so it will take you a while to upgrade it
oak ivy
How do we feel about these?
tired pivot
I have been using them
tired pivot
tepid for boss weeks yeah
oak ivy
Makes sense. ty guys
sick sentinel
saw a warri stream where he uses this flask for trash and versa flask for boss
tired pivot
wish I had that kind of gold
lusty narwhal
Yea tyr and raids I go tepid
sick sentinel
can i tank 15-16 keys as a 390 prot?
lusty narwhal
Yea
oak ivy
a 20 COS has been done at like 355 iirc
sick sentinel
problem is i wont get invited :p
tired pivot
it was done in full green gear
lusty narwhal
Correct you won't get invited
sick sentinel
sad im 2.6 on my vdh
tired pivot
problem is i wont get invited :p
depends on if you have a high rated main tank
sick sentinel
people looking for ilvl
lusty narwhal
Yea if you have a high rated main then you prob would
slim dove
using COS as an example of what keys you can tank is dumb
0 tankbusters
all dmg is avoidable
true hound
Sudden Death has this on wowhead "[1.7 + Haste] procs per minute" Does it mean 1*(1.7+0.3) or 1*(1.7+1.3)? Assuming 30% haste.
slim dove
mobs literally just auto attack you, thats it.
sick sentinel
i tanked a 15 nokhud and get oneshotet at 3rd boss with 360ilvl 😄 but to be fair i forgot to swap in def stance
tired pivot
you can also use actives on busters
lusty narwhal
Only real tank buster is shadow strike from succs but you can just reflect them
slim dove
a 355 tank isn't surviving +20 crawth on tyr
slim dove
this is in response to someone saying a 355 tank did 20 cos
you said most damage is melee in every dungeon
tired pivot
it is
slim dove
ok, nevermind.
tired pivot
I get you, but it is kinda a moot point
lofty widget
majority of dmg is melee
tired pivot
since nobody is arguing anything here
lofty widget
wonder if you could shadowmeld the peck
slim dove
probably
lofty widget
might finally get some use out of being nelf
slim dove
bleed is the real killer so DI is just better
south zealot
most damage is melee in every dungeon but the dangerous damage is never melee
strange chasm
on hov 19 25k dps 😦 overall
lofty widget
im too scared to try it tho lol
slim dove
do it on crawth and if it 1taps a dps just say lol idk new bird bug
lofty widget
lmao
slim dove
make them scared.
every week theres a new fun and fancy bug on crawth anyways, nobody would think you melded it for science.
trail oyster
Can anyone direct me to talent builds for high keys M+
lofty widget
in the pins
tired pivot
take any top raider.io player's build
and choose which you like most
there are only like 2 changes people make anyway
dungeon specific
trail oyster
Yeah its just my cookie cutter one just ruined a 16 when we easily could have 2 or 3 it
tired pivot
biggest choice is whether you need spell block or not
others are just smaller choices of do you want damage or safety
wet verge
at what iLvL should i replace the cobalt ring?
slim dove
simm yourself.
wet verge
isn't sim only for dmg?
slim dove
??
tired pivot
it is
slim dove
you dont use tank ring lmao
tired pivot
you absolutely can
slim dove
yeah but dont.
lofty widget
dmg is all you sohuld care about. we have more than enough surv in our talents
slim dove
shield gets eaten before IP shield also
it looks good on meters but its actually garb.
tired pivot
I mean, people have been pushing highest keys with the defensive cobalt since 4 weeks ago
austere marsh
I'm a bit lazy and was running one build for all the dungeons, sometimes swaping to aoe silece shout. What dungeons spell block is worth taking on? TJS you can reflect all dark claws?
tired pivot
at all those steps, defensive cobalt was very popular
tired pivot
I'm a bit lazy and was running one build for all the dungeons, sometimes swaping...
it won't reflect
lofty widget
doesnt translate to lower keys usually tho
mortal brook
mildly hps bait for losing 500 secondary. theres availability droprate and valor constraint etc
tired pivot
it will block them
pale dragon
can anyone send me their dmg breakdown of a high key plz
tired pivot
doesnt translate to lower keys usually tho
well yeah, but it is still fine to run it at your highest pushes
even if that push is a 10
mortal brook
like, decoration of flame is popular. cuz its good? or cuz its available off 1st boss
tired pivot
since you are probably going to need everything you can get to survive
slim dove
not a single prot tank in the top 10 use cobalt tank ring
tired pivot
if you are pushing a 10
slim dove
🤷
austere marsh
what dungeons you guys always take spell block?
proven igloo
what does BRV stand for?
lofty widget
sure, but there are probably things you could do better that would increase surv a lot more
wet verge
not a single prot tank in the top 10 use cobalt tank ring
no but they all have decoration of flame, which i do not
mortal brook
not like tank survival is the limiting factor yet
tired pivot
well yeah, but I would sooner tell someone to have a better chance of timing their push with the defensive power, and learn while doing it
lofty widget
^
mortal brook
decoration of flame is popular. cuz its good? or cuz its available off 1st boss
tired pivot
than go for more glassy build
slim dove
?
tired pivot
if they are obv not good enough to use it
slim dove
bro the cobalt tank ring isn't going to save bad play
mortal brook
rather have the extra stats towards the gameplay loop, tbh
lofty widget
gameplay first, then you can start min maxing defensive trinkets etc
mortal brook
like use it if you want. its just an opportunity cost that makes it a mid choice at best
tired pivot
I mean, it is not like you are looking to get a lot better, if you are stuck at those levels
mortal brook
and partially meter bait cuz of the lost secondaries
slim dove
it looks good on meter because the shield is absorbed before your IP shield.
uneven ice
since 10s do no damage
I was stomped on a 12 yesterday 🥲
faint swift
what do u think
lofty widget
seal
mortal brook
gratz ring bro
slim dove
what do u think
seal
wet verge
im currently at 16-17 keys, still running that same 389 ring.. im just questioning if i should replace it with a 400 something ring
blazing condor
sim it
mortal brook
would replace with a 415 valor, 418 crafted
until then i wouldnt worry about the diff
cuz its like, margin for error choices
austere marsh
what's the talent called that grant 2nd shield wall
tired pivot
don't use it
austere marsh
I know, just cant find it xd
mortal brook
don't use it
Weird name for a talent
tired pivot
I named it myself
austere marsh
[Impenetrable Wall] always better?
coarse flower
don't use it
Why not use the double shield wall talent?
tired pivot
it is bad
coarse flower
Is it?
full monolith
I use it in high TJS pugs
tired pivot
it is
lofty widget
it's longer avg SW cd, so unless you strictly need 2 SWs back to back, its worse
coarse flower
Ya I was gonna say it’s good for TJS
lofty widget
which is very rarely the case
coarse flower
Even RLP second boss could use it if you’re not dwarf/have evoker healer
full monolith
And for the very last trash pack as it makes you able to face tank longer imo. Strictly talking about pugs
coarse flower
And for the very last trash pack as it makes you able to face tank longer imo. S...
Nah not needed for the last pack
Spell block + kite and synced reflects will solo that pack
tired pivot
spell reflect > spell block > spell reflect
is how you do that pack
after those 30 seconds
you run
harsh light
question homies, is there a M+ timer either WA or addon that would essentially let me know how far behind or ahead we are on timer?
mighty valley
i mean sure, there's just a key level where 2x shield wall would let you not have to kite for longer
harsh light
sad days... preciate it boss
coarse flower
after those 30 seconds
Nah you just do circles, those mobs don’t reach you and 3 reflects will kill the pack while keeping it grouped
tired pivot
you hopefully still have all the cc after your defensives are down too
so you can stay in longer
coarse flower
question homies, is there a M+ timer either WA or addon that would essentially l...
Go on Wago.io and search m+ timer and it’s probably the first one
lofty widget
played with a lock and monk who blew their aoe stuns first 2 seconds of the pull
was great
mighty valley
perfectly placed ring in the center of the pack, spreading them around the room and desyncing all casts
thanks boss
lofty widget
coarse flower
Honestly you don’t cc though, you literally just do circles
tired pivot
I keep shockwave until they start their cast after my cd's
you can stay until that is used
kite is after
it helps with damage for melee dps
solar crown
Do we lootspec prot, if we dont need a shield? or do we lootspec arms/fury for better trinkets
full monolith
Fury if you still need 1H. Arms if you do not need 1h/shield
hasty echo
lariat + armor spike are 2 embellishment... i cannot go for Frostfire belt, right?
oak echo
well you can, you just have to recraft to remove the armor spike
mighty valley
you can drop armor spike for it
tired pivot
you can always pre-craft
and use it
it is only slightly worse than wrists, since wrists also give defensive power
it is as good as spikes
mighty valley
better than spikes in raid where you're not always getting hit
but i wouldn't worry about it til you see a raid ring, it doesn't matter massively otherwise
hardy hamlet
Hold on, does Spell Reflect fully negate Dark Claws?
hardy hamlet
Lmao whenever I think Prot Warrior couldn‘t be better there is something new
jagged pier
it literally reflects it.
Defelcts
And only 1 of them
Oh no wait
Thats a different one
Yer it reflects
distant crystal
🫢
solemn current
Multiple if you line them up, and it does reflect, You can’t reflect every single one that’s what spell block is for
true sparrow
what's the talent called that grant 2nd shield wall
you can use the Search bar and look for keyword like Shield Wall, or Bleed, and it will highlight relevent talents.
lime urchin
worldly lintel
hey everyone. Fire Mage/Resto Sham turned Prot Warrior here. HOw do I do more dps? Are there decent, current, guides or forums out there I can learn from? I appreciate all the info and the discussion here!
south zealot
i click heroic throw
mine is bound to 9
main spoke
also ok
south zealot
hey everyone. Fire Mage/Resto Sham turned Prot Warrior here. HOw do I do more dp...
using outburst procs on shield slam if under 5 targets is a big source of damage
main spoke
i dont like going past 4 on numrow tho, gets tough in practical application
south zealot
oh its not practical at all
main spoke
yes very fair. its a good use
south zealot
i just use it as a meme in my guild if i ever press it i say in voice “im hitting 9”
main spoke
i go "shit i threw my axe"
surreal orchid
do we train whelp shell to aoe or haste?
dire matrix
st or stats
worldly lintel
using outburst procs on shield slam if under 5 targets is a big source of damage
thanks for the reply. is the healing from Fueled By Violence worth taking?
sick sentinel
any1 using hekili rotation? 😄
south zealot
thanks for the reply. is the healing from Fueled By Violence worth taking?
not sure
south zealot
any1 using hekili rotation? 😄
do you
lofty widget
thanks for the reply. is the healing from Fueled By Violence worth taking?
BV is better
mighty valley
thanks for the reply. is the healing from Fueled By Violence worth taking?
we argue about that choice node a lot in here, overall doesn't make a huge difference, brutal vit likely better with 4p
worldly lintel
im at 359 currently so not quite there yet lol. I do tend to spam IP.
mighty valley
the overall do dam plan as prot warrior is send every damage CD immediately, fill every other gcd with ss>tc>revenge (can bump up tc and revenge in huge target numbers), use IP to burn excess rage so you never cap
make sure you don't use ip so much that you miss a revenge GCD or can't keep up shield block
worldly lintel
Keeping block up can be harder than i expected
mighty valley
share your build, with the right talents it's pretty brainless tbh
silent anchor
spell reflect feels illegal
worldly lintel
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wide charm
do you guys manage to keep 100% block uptime without bolster ?
mighty valley
do you guys manage to keep 100% block uptime without bolster ?
yes, with HR
worldly lintel
i really enjoy playing a tank. I usually do more healing than the healer so i was just wondering where/how to trade it off for dps
wide charm
i mean without it either : no bolster + ITF
south zealot
spell reflect feels illegal
upper karazhan moment
fading tide
BkEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKLQCAAAAIJJRSCSLpkgWBRgUUkIRJJBIQSCCRCJCECAAAAAAAEJAARpE...
What’s this code for?
worldly lintel
What’s this code for?
i was asked to share my build, i pulled it from the armory
mighty valley
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ok some wack stuff in here haha, wanna start with the all-purpose build listed a few posts down in the pins
south zealot
i mean without it either : no bolster + ITF
dont think you can manage that
timber arrow
Any recommended order of CDs for ToJS 3rd boss on high Tyr keys? Just started to push into the 19-20 range and want to work out optimal pairings. Have been doing something like SW+SR , SB, LS + SR, Rally (all with SB + full IP up also) which gets me through 4 hits in p2. Then I pray we push thorough before a 5th...
slim dove
Any recommended order of CDs for ToJS 3rd boss on high Tyr keys? Just started to...
kill her in 4 kicks or just die
idk
dps are sleeping this expac
worldly lintel
ok some wack stuff in here haha, wanna start with the all-purpose build listed a...
ill check em out. do i have to be in def stance or can i switch to the other and still tank
mighty valley
dps shouldn't even be taking damage in that phase, healer can focus you when needed
wide charm
dont think you can manage that
cause i was looking at the top dungeons log to see what i'm doing wrong, and with somewhat similar haste dude is playing no bolster or HR
mighty valley
ill check em out. do i have to be in def stance or can i switch to the other and...
generally you stay in battle stance until you get to keys where tankbusters really threaten you, then you can swap in, take the hit/ride out the bleed, swap back
umbral bobcat
Do prot still has the best mitigation or will it shift ?
ionic fern
Any recommended order of CDs for ToJS 3rd boss on high Tyr keys? Just started to...
You run double sw for that dungeon.
slim dove
we take 6-7% more dmg from blocked hits on tuesday.
jagged pier
Reroll we be garbage now
mighty valley
cause i was looking at the top dungeons log to see what i'm doing wrong, and wit...
itf is a pretty small damage optimization, that's not what's holding you back, better off with comf shield block uptime for now
worldly lintel
generally you stay in battle stance until you get to keys where tankbusters real...
thanks!
mighty valley
i wish eyir could auto-respond to "how bad are the nerfs"
south zealot
about ye bad
naive panther
I thought Crawg sucked on my warrior. But my monk in just a 16 was taking 75k damage per second, and I managed 50k hps at only 390 ilvl. I died once even was insanely rough.
Dunno why they made him so rough. 21 my highest so far and was fighting for my life, so is it going to just be splat next week?
lofty widget
nerfs soon 
slim dove
idk ask why they nerfed RLP by 25-50% and leave 3rd boss TJS and crawth alone
whining will move to those bosses soon and the nerf pendulum will swing
people quit when they can't progress, gotta make sure 90% of the playerbase gets hero before end of season to keep sub metrics up 
wet compass
Really the problem is that blizz moved the vault point to 20s
if they left it at 15s and left hero where it is it wouldn't be an issue
fast knot
I was doing a charity 16 and almost planked lol the healer forgot they had to actually heal me
Bird fucks now
wet compass
bird the all magic damage boss and phase 2 of 3 in tjs next up
mighty valley
people quit when they can't progress, gotta make sure 90% of the playerbase gets...
what percentage of the playerbase do you think got ksm in shadowlands seasons
mighty valley
Dunno why they made him so rough. 21 my highest so far and was fighting for my l...
a) next week is fortified, so it'll be way easier b) the scariest things to us rn are the bleeds, which the nerfs barely affect
slim dove
what percentage of the playerbase do you think got ksm in shadowlands seasons
idk quit mid s1 cuz it was garbage
mighty valley
yeah so
slim dove
making a joke
mighty valley
it's like 10% of the players that touch m+
slim dove
that they nerf whatever is whined about the most
mighty valley
which is probably not even a majority of wow players
slim dove
next up is crawth and panda
mighty valley
just always good to keep perspective that "the average wow player" doesn't look like a forum andy or a discord user
slim dove
oh i agree
mighty valley
tbh their nerfs so far have been roughly on point with slamming down the outliers
they haven't killed any dungeons as hard as they killed like, sanguine depths
gloomy sinew
guys which skill is reflectable in TJS third boss?
gloomy sinew
ok ok thanks ❤️
lofty widget
still use SR in p2 for DR
slim dove
^
daring marlin
Really the problem is that blizz moved the vault point to 20s
They also upped the ilvl relative. If they kept it at 15s they'd prolly be just 415 from the vault.
inland raft
when dps dont dps the adds in 21 sbg and throw away a +2 into a deplete... honestly impressed it takes skill to deplete that key
daring marlin
It's significantly better this way.
Speaking of SBG I find it hysterical how that dungeon exists in the rotation compared to every other one. Especially AV. Super pepega.
mighty valley
in SL we were easily getting max ilvl + stacked vault week 1
there's actually a bit of progression to it for a while now
inland raft
vaults isnt that bad with the nerfs, though if you dont do the jump skip, the timer is def tight
really should find a way to disable that skip but add some time to the dungeon
mighty valley
yeah most timers are pretty kind except AV
sick sentinel
ran more halls of valor 11 for infusion points, everyone died on boss 2 soloed that, final boss, druid healer not fast enough and got 1 hit by stomp, we cleared that too
slim dove
yeah HOV i feel forced to make alot of fairly sketchy pulls
which is fine but compared to other keys its an outlier.
inland raft
hov timer is cringe cuz they put the og timer in even though in legion they increased it significantly
dire matrix
we had a couple dps die on trash in +21
inland raft
forget exact amount but soemthing like 8 minutes was added i think by end of legion
dire matrix
and was 3 seconds in time
no wipes
wasnt pulling super safe
but not uber risky either
slim dove
my 20 we had 1 death, i sandbagged snapping bears into sentinels at end and we timed it by 30 seconds iirc
dire matrix
idk why youd pick a long dungeen
that people die a lot in from casts
i skip sentinels
hadnt tried snapping the bears
sick sentinel
i just like the dungeon i guess
i don't fuck with the bears, and the bull if i don't have to as well
slim dove
I should start skipping sentinels actually but I always forget
just W key into them and waste a minute fighting them
sick sentinel
i just go right after first boss, get the solo pat, go left, after 2nd boss clear the rest of hall
dragon, 5 wolves in 2 parts, finish
dire matrix
gotta double pull/chain a lot
sick sentinel
"attack the monster until it dies" is my strategy
loosely translated from a doom youtuber "shoot at it until it dies" decino
jagged pier
hov timer is cringe cuz they put the og timer in even though in legion they incr...
U can take minutes off tho if u take 2 beers to the top and activate all the 4 ppl at once
No 3 beers not 2
warm plinth
Did you actually talk to the other 2 or?
slim dove
i can never get it to work past the 2
summer vortex
Strike Twice, yay or nay? - Is it worth the equip effect?
slim dove
its worse compared to equal ilvl swords
the effect is very, very minimal.
err
better compared
summer vortex
Alright ^^ Thanks
lone eagle
potent anvil
My warr is 407 
warm plinth
potent anvil
Also 2450 io, tanking 20s and getting ports 
potent anvil
I timed a 20 HoV with this
wet compass
Oh it's def timeable it's just so damn long
and the rp feels way worse because of how long it is
mighty valley
people are gonna complain about hov being a long dungeon and blizzard is gonna slam us with blackrock depths m+
wet compass
I dream of a scarlet monastery season with 4 15 minute dungeons it makes me drool
undone verge
what buff we take in AA?
mighty valley
haste
pseudo garden
I've been taking vers. Isn't it better?
mighty valley
haste has been generally our best stat for years
pseudo garden
Feel like vers helps with surv in high keys in AA tho
wet compass
yeah definitely isn't bad against birby
vague wigeon
Our warr tank has 30-50% uptime on ignore pain in dungeons, but ive seen loads of pug tanks with over 80%, how is that? is our tank just not clicking enough?
mighty valley
it's a fraction of a percent off a tankbuster in exchange for almost certainly less damage across the dungeon
mighty valley
Our warr tank has 30-50% uptime on ignore pain in dungeons, but ive seen loads o...
ip uptime changes a ton depending content so it's very hard to say, we'd need to see logs to really know if your tank sucks
vague wigeon
ip uptime changes a ton depending content so it's very hard to say, we'd need to...
As in wacraftlogs logs?
mighty valley
ideally yeah
i mean, you could also share a damage breakdown and tell us whether or not your tank dies a lot
and we could give you a vague vibe check
pallid quiver
We could also go with "he's probably wasted rage before in his life, yerrible tank smh"
Like all of us do for ourselves
vague wigeon
All i know is that our healer complains that he has to heal our tank alot, and other warriors dont need healing he says
wet compass
what's his sb uptime?
mighty valley
ok they're probably playing wrong
pallid quiver
Or not pressing CDs when they need to
vague wigeon
73% SB uptime last dungeon
wet compass
while tanking?
pallid quiver
Aaaaaand there's a problem
wet compass
yeah that's bad
vague wigeon
does shield block extends the duration if its already active?
jagged pier
yes
pallid quiver
It adds on to the duration up to a cap of 3 uses
So a max of 18 seconds base, 24 if using Enduring Defenses
vague wigeon
but what is like your guys uptime on ignore pain?
or is that like not a problem at all that its around 40%
vague wigeon
okay thanks
sleek rock
Do as much damage as possible without being a hindrance to your group
pallid quiver
IP uptime depends heavily on content, too
daring marlin
People say it depends because someone with 4pc will probably have significantly higher uptime of IP. Plus, CD usage and % of melees blocked are a much better metric to look at.
agile elbow
The biggest issue here isn't ip uptime for your tank it's lack of 100% uptime on sb for your tank
jagged pier
IP uptime depends heavily on content, too
not really your dumping rage into constantly for the AM feedback if your playing correctly
regardless of difficulty
warm plinth
It's always very sad when it's the co-raider of someone coming in here asking for feedback instead of the prot war
slim dove
tons of people lack the ability to seek out info
pallid quiver
regardless of difficulty
Not the difficulty, the content
Damage profiles that are more consistent will naturally lower it more
vague wigeon
It's always very sad when it's the co-raider of someone coming in here asking fo...
Why is that?
jagged pier
if im doing +2 imma still IP, so get outburst faster
pallid quiver
Conpared to spikier
jagged pier
and avatar faster
warm plinth
Because it means you're more worried about them improving than they are
vague wigeon
Because it means you're more worried about them improving than they are
he's dyeslexic, so
vague wigeon
Because it means you're more worried about them improving than they are
on discord with him same time ^^
tired pivot
dyslexia is not the same for everyone
vague wigeon
but im very grateful for the help
tired pivot
you should know that if you suffer from it
wide nebula
any1 here knows if the cobalt assembly ring with absord is worth using for myth+?
jagged pier
dyslexia is not the same for everyone
true but doesnt mean u cant learn
tired pivot
it can be very difficult for some people
jagged pier
mine is horrendously bad literally 5 mins here and u can tell that by my messages
tired pivot
while somewhat trivial for others
warm plinth
he's dyeslexic, so
Fair enough; I was making a generalization because we see it fairly frequently in here. I apologize.
slim dove
any1 here knows if the cobalt assembly ring with absord is worth using for myth+...
sim it.
412+ rings usually better then cobalt.
vague wigeon
Fair enough; I was making a generalization because we see it fairly frequently i...
no worries, i understand
vague wigeon
But the first thing here is 100% uptime on SB is mandatory, yes?
wide nebula
ah ok
jagged pier
But the first thing here is 100% uptime on SB is mandatory, yes?
well depends on talents and content
but as much blocked hits as possible