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dire matrix
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unless ur phase is giga long

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in which case ur in a +23 or higher

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and then u know what to do

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or ur dps died

rotund thicket
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i did a 23 like 20min before, we had 5 Kicks and double wall saved my fucking ass

dire matrix
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wall cd is literally more uptime in dungeons

rotund thicket
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Wall -> Spellblock 2x -> Wall -> Wall

dire matrix
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double wall is when you need it back to back

chrome falcon
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y'all are ignoring the rage generation on impenetrable

rotund thicket
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who cares on the rage generation if you die in 10 sec

dire matrix
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on 3rd boss tjs you literally use it twice in 30s

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or you die

warm plinth
dire matrix
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daddy

warm plinth
sterile bough
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@chrome falcon
double wall cd per wall is 1;30, the other talen is 1min CONSIDERING you shield slam on cd
so as an example we go on a pack where u go dont use shield slam on cd so the realistic wall cd would be around 1;15
as for bosses if you have double wall, you can kinda of use 2 walls in a row while waiting for other cds
Also the big for double wall FOR ME perosnally is that if I play with one wall I tend to under use it and I think its case for most players who play this talent

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and as u mentionied it gives 3 additonal rage per SS so after using 12 SS u have 1 additional IP

dire matrix
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maybe dont underuse it then

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press it every pack

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if its on cd it starts reducing

slim dove
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i slam wall constantly

rotund thicket
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People bringing up Rage gen while dying to 3rd Boss TJS / Bird on Academy

dire matrix
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unless u need it for some reason

slim dove
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using reduct talent

dire matrix
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i honestly press wall without looking if its up a lot

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and its up

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its ogcd

chrome falcon
dire matrix
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press the keybidn if its up it works

chrome falcon
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because i'm not

sterile bough
dire matrix
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why 🤨

slim dove
sterile bough
chrome falcon
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yes

sterile bough
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living the bird on 24 is fucking hard

chrome falcon
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i agree

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which is why i'm always happy to have the correct talents

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i mean i'll try it in my 22 academy i'm doing tonight but

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i feel totally fine on that boss i've never understood the hype on it

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maybe i just have good healer privilege

dire matrix
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bird i run single wall

warm plinth
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why would you do that if you have the correct talents already

dire matrix
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cuz it gets reduced

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cuz the fights long

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and rest of the key i want single

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tjs 3rd boss p2 is way faster

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than 1 birb

sterile bough
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on bird I think its better to run the 1 wall talent and 3 rage casue u pretty much use it on cd

chrome falcon
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idk i think on panda you just go wall -> spell block next 2 -> DS+SR -> rally+LS -> wall probably up again and you're kinda chilling but i haven't gone higher than 23 on tyr and my healer is goated

dire matrix
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if you hold ds that long

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ur a pepeg

chrome falcon
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sure you send DS on pull as well

dire matrix
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ds is a dps cd change my mind /sbutalsonot/s

sterile bough
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just use cds with sortest cds combined to have atelast 40% DR always and its all good then

dire matrix
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press buttons

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got it

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i was trying not pressing them but

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ill give this a go

chrome falcon
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i have never pressed a button in my life

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that's what the haters want me to do

slow pawn
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all these nerfs to ignore pain. passive generation is fueld gonna outpreform

woven steppe
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Is there a post or if someone could explain how exactly does the spell block talent work?

warm plinth
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all what nerfs to ignore pain

slim dove
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ignore pain wasn't nerfed.

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block value was

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thats it.

woven steppe
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Block was nerfed, no?

slim dove
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BLOCK

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VALUE

warm plinth
slow pawn
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Protection
Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).

warm plinth
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What does that have to do with Ignore Pain

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It nerfed a talent that adds to IP, not IP

slow pawn
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bv nerf?

slim dove
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ur right prot is dead go reroll brm.

slow pawn
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I said passive ignore generation

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not active

warm plinth
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Brutal Vitality could not exist and we would still be fine.

woven steppe
warm plinth
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It blocks spell damage. It works exactly like blocking, just with magic.

slow pawn
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im just wondering if fueled will get more value I guess sim it to see

warm plinth
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DoTs are not blockable.

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How are you going to sim FbV vs BrV

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Neither of them do damage

slow pawn
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take dmge on dummy

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ill rephrase that test it not sim it

chrome falcon
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you will not be able to determined which is better

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by feel alone

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you're just gonna guess

woven steppe
warm plinth
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No, it works exactly like blocking.

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exactly

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If I press Shield Block, how many attacks do I block

slow pawn
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20 seconds you can block spells

woven steppe
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The tjs 3rd boss thing p2 thing

warm plinth
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I block all of them for the duration right

chrome falcon
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i'm pretty sure this person doesn't understand what "blocking" means

warm plinth
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Oh okay, in that context, yes

sick sentinel
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so, what classes and spells are best to CC adds on final boss of nokhud if i attempt to push that key again

warm plinth
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It would only block the first hit (not stop it, block it)

dire matrix
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this is what block does

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i dont have sb up though

sick sentinel
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i think the plan is we CC and leave 2 of the adds alone

tropic gorge
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im kinda proud of this

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aa10, antinus is my prot war

fallen pulsar
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BrV is likely still better because it interacts with tier, (this speculation comes from pins) @slow pawn

sick sentinel
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on either left or right side

warm plinth
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The initial hit of Jade Serpent Strike would be mitigated. The DoT portion would not be.

dire matrix
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the nerds did the math

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brv still better probs

reef holly
woven steppe
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Yea i understand how blocking reduces dmg, just wanted to be clear if it reduces main cast dmg or dot

dire matrix
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never the dot

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u cant block dots

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if u could prot warrior would be even more cracked

round pendant
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Anyone else have some weird issue with thunderclap CD on weak auras?

daring marlin
round pendant
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Sometimes it's greyed out and has 10 seconds, but it's glowing

dire matrix
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hadnt gone disrupting for no

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maybe that would help

daring marlin
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I love disrupting

dire matrix
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drop show of force ig

daring marlin
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ye

chrome falcon
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i basically never do keys without disrupting these days

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losing some damage is so worth it

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that spell is just insane

icy citrus
chrome falcon
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yeah

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sometimes i don't run it in guild groups

toxic pewter
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i never run disrupting shout

chrome falcon
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if we have 2 melee

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i don't run disrupting in cos if we have good stops

toxic pewter
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what dungeons is it good in

chrome falcon
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and it's probably not super necessary in azure vaults

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or RLP

round ridge
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So uhm, whats the opinion on the prot nerfs? isnt it just removing the 4set bonus? seems kinda bad imo

reef holly
sick sentinel
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it wont kill us, not even close

chrome falcon
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nokhud literally just for last boss (again depends on comp), algethar for the packs before elemental boss + dragon boss, halls it's quite good for thundercallers especially the double pull, TJS it's great for a lot of the packs, SMBG it's great for the dominator packs

sick sentinel
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but it will affect how the average pug sees us as being "weaker" now

toxic pewter
amber siren
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I wouldn't run it for the dominator packs unless you're doing something weird with them

toxic pewter
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What do you drop for disrupting shout though thats my main issue? Is show of force what you drop

amber siren
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You don't usually want to kick those

dire matrix
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i dont think its super needed in most keys

sick sentinel
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inting shout vs disrupting shout, who wins

amber siren
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int

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i mean

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different use cases

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but int is more versatile

weary saddle
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disrupting shout is necessary with pugs or if no comms to coordinate interrupt

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if u got a co ordinated team for interrupts then no need disrupting

chrome falcon
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^

sick sentinel
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i can think of 100 things to drop for inting shout

weary saddle
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i like disrupting for snap aoe aggro sometimes

sick sentinel
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but not alot for disruption

bleak kraken
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Should I craft Shield of the Hearth of Molten Defender?

warm plinth
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Molten Defender

weary saddle
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Molten Defender is better than Hearth

high drum
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HELLO PROTECTION NERFED?

weary saddle
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yes. time for protwars to reroll brewmaster

warm plinth
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THE SKY IS FALLING, DOOM DOOM

fathom goblet
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why brewmaster ? lol

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I dont understand this meme

weary saddle
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cos brew is buffed

high drum
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BREW BUFFED

weary saddle
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brew is high dmg

warm plinth
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Prot nerf, brew buff, obviously you play brew

tacit rose
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Did anyone not expect us to get tuned? Honestly I was kinda happy blizz did not overnerf us. I was scared of the typical kneejerk reaction.

weary saddle
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just that brew has so many buttons its like playing piano

tepid kraken
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hello, does anyone have a good omnicd profile of what they track when running m+?

grand locust
tepid kraken
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installing it for the fist time and I can tell that based on the fact that storm bolt isn't tracked, there's probably things in other classes I might want to know about (ez example would be ring of peace for monks)

sick sentinel
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the BDK i knew, he came back to last 2 weeks of SL and tried to do KSM in 2 weeks

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he got to like 1980

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and then he couldn't do it because of one of the karazhans

jagged pier
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i love how this huge narrative of monk buffs made it good has started even tho it was already really strong before the buffs

grand locust
sick sentinel
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the tale of a BDK who attempted to get KSM after quitting all of SL in 10.0 patch

sturdy sable
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Ppl just dont like putting in the work

jagged pier
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will be the same with pala

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when ppl start gearing them

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literally been saying this all expansion

tacit rose
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You could not pay me to play a BrM, purely personal opinion but I dislike the concept, the fantasy, and the playstyle. It's the one tank I could never embrace.

sick sentinel
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we run with 2 paladins, a ret and a holy, but the holy quit

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now hpal is an everything but healer mostly

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DH and druid evoker

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brm with nf is chefs kiss

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i fuckin hated the NF warrior one though, still think the way the warrior NF ability worked was confusing garbage

cinder storm
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Brm or Pala Will end up strong, then comes brackenhide and people will only want that bursty aoe

scenic tusk
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Are tanks supposed to take the staff on broodkeeper to do the eggs?

jagged pier
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thats up to the guild

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I do

woeful cypress
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I do not!

sick sentinel
grand locust
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anyone have an ignore pain value weakaura that is in the form of a progress bar?

warm plinth
sick sentinel
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save lots of money cuz its hide everything and then mog hat and weapon (weapon not finalized) its like, 5 slots to pay for mog, so win win

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oh, and to be perfect, have to farm out some BS low drop rate hat, is supposed to be a green hat purple feather, have to go wod i think

median tulip
sick sentinel
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so, game ruined by arbiratary old world farms like how i have to do ampitheatre 7 days to get white branch back piece

pseudo garden
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I liked brew alot in s4. Idk if I'd reroll any class can get ksh. Warrior still overall way more fun

agile elbow
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BrM just feels like playing a piano with the amount of buttons. I like brew, but damn.

slim dove
latent pier
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Honestly, as long as prot isn't as weird as it was in SL, I'll probably still main tank with it.

cyan oar
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In SBG should I just kite the skeles in SBG on higher keys or should i run the spell block or what can I do against that mega tank hit? On the first pack I can just survive both of the hits, but on the pack b4 first boss they just nuke me to oblivion

grand locust
latent pier
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Sl prot felt legit unfinished.

cinder storm
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Nah, just it's leggo was overcomplicated vs other tanks where you press this and dmg goes brrr

neon elk
sick sentinel
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what skeletons

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i can think of bats and worms and spiders

cinder storm
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First pack and third pack

sick sentinel
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oh, i must filter that shit out cuz it seems easy to me

cyan oar
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So pull them and then just backpedal X)?

toxic pewter
random bane
cinder storm
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When they do the frontal you backpedal and they miss, if you feel unsure spell reflect is enough

muted lance
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what trinkets are you guys running in M+? whetstone and what?

spice radish
cyan oar
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Rly? I feel like i've tried that, I do that in hov and no and probably other places, I must've just been slow then

sick sentinel
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alltotem heroic because blizzard blessed me

cinder storm
cyan oar
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Kk ty for the help ^^

forest coral
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How do you track when to spell reflect on first boss in sbg

cyan oar
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wa

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I use that one, it's a cheat code lol

forest coral
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Kk ty

cinder storm
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Same if she's going to summon add

forest coral
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So always just reflect after coming back into melee after a dagger drop or add spawn ?

golden crescent
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Is prot war still getting the 10% dr during avatar in 10.5?

forest coral
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What about eclipse ?

cinder storm
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Healers mechanic

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Watch her buff, make sure she's not going to do anything for the next 2-3s and spell reflect, usually works like she buffs does a cast after cast spell reflect

forest coral
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Kk ty

toxic pewter
jagged pier
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not baseline

lament zealot
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Why is barbaric training considered bad?

sick sentinel
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cool, new world quests

jagged pier
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so the feedback loop isnt as affective

toxic pewter
jagged pier
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u revenge less

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so the tier set is also worse

jagged pier
sick sentinel
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still 1/4 set bonus

toxic pewter
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Ohhh so its a change that is upcoming? Ok I misunderstood.. interesting

sick sentinel
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so, i should change that

strong forum
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its a datamine error thats existed since BETA

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its not mentioned anywhere in the patchnotes or anywhere else in the game, its only mentioned on the datamine part of wowhead, nowhere else

toxic pewter
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probably a leftover from shadowlands tierset or something

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cuz I do remember us having that effect iirc

strong forum
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some jumbled up šŸ code

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yes

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Do we get the 10%DR on Avatar when talented into Immovable Object with 10.0.5?
No, this was never stated anywhere besides the datamines from wowhead, no mention ingame or by the official patchnotes.
This line of data has existed since beta and was mentioned numerous times and never implemented and probably never will.

median tulip
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I love your endless optimism that your pins will get read by people who want to know the answer

jagged pier
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we try

tulip oar
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Anyone have a WA or add on that warns people not to interrupt something when you pop up Spell reflect?

cinder storm
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Yell macro

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But then again, only works 2/10 times

cloud tide
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is frostfire belt good?

tulip oar
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Don't want anything that will spam with multiple button taps.

hardy snow
strong forum
cloud tide
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what is fire ring

strong forum
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there are 2 fire rings from raid, meaning, they have special effects that proc when you deal fire dmg

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the only way for us to semi-consistently proc fire dmg is with the frostfire belt

sick sentinel
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You can’t have only* Ws

strange chasm
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hello q any one know it is possible to copy talent build via wowlogs ranking ?

ionic roost
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šŸ”„šŸ§¢

strong forum
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?

ionic roost
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Flamecaps

strong forum
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they still work?

ionic roost
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Haven't heard they stopped

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We got a flamecapper in guild

grand locust
onyx vessel
grand locust
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oh shit i see its yours! ill send a screenshot of what it shows ofr me

grand locust
uneven mason
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Stupid fotm rerillers getting us nerfed

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"we made the fun spec not garbage for once, so we have to fix that since people play fun things"

ionic roost
grand locust
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you didnt like reprisal? 🄲

uneven mason
queen fulcrum
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Yknow what I miss, Vengeance keks

uneven mason
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It's these fotmbois that getting us wrecked

uneven mason
sick sentinel
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Hell it was taken to WF CN. Couldn't have been that garbage at any point in SL really.

queen fulcrum
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I remember our Guardian Druid swapping to P Warr at the end of CN and safe to say it did not go well as they had no idea how to play it 🤣

lofty widget
sick sentinel
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Nice try

uneven mason
uneven mason
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So I don't have to hear about how bad warriors are when my buddy has to heal some BRM main that can't press buttons

jagged pier
queen fulcrum
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Yeah I'm in a casual guild with two teams, start of DF there was 4 prot warriors shooting for main team, the difference between the 4 was hilarious

lusty tiger
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The nerf is kinda chill tho

slim dove
jagged pier
sick sentinel
uneven mason
lusty tiger
jagged pier
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and ppl still have 50% blocked hits

lusty tiger
median tulip
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The guy wityh the logs yesterday who had 7 casts of Shield Block in an AA+18

lusty tiger
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Oh tru wtf

median tulip
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And somehow still timed it, because his healer was a god

uneven mason
lusty tiger
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Can we delete his char

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Without block we are the worst tank

sick sentinel
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Hmm

mighty valley
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doing an unbelievably stupid "tier list - tanks when not pressing any buttons"

lusty tiger
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Lol

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That’d be funny

sick sentinel
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False

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It's still warrior

lusty tiger
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ā€œConvokeā€

ruby stirrup
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bear only has like 3 buttons

mighty valley
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if we're being literal, a bear that never presses any buttons never enters bear form

sick sentinel
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Warrior has 1.5 ironfurs worth of ironfur baseline

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Without pressing a single button

median tulip
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I remember when the Fury Warrior in my guild decided to try tanking, and I had to point out to him that you couldn't Block attacks that came from behind you

lusty tiger
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Need the shield from tf2

sick sentinel
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Okay?

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I'm sure there's silly simple things you don't know about other specs as well.

median tulip
lusty tiger
median tulip
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Oh! I never played Sniper. Or Spy. I was a Demoman main

fallow osprey
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Usual suspects stirring up drama again I see

lusty tiger
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ā¤ļø

sick sentinel
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Says fatmonk

warm plinth
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@ionic fern hi ily

uneven mason
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I mean warriors are so good that @potent anvil is actually playing one

mighty valley
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needs more nerfs clearly

stone condor
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so were dead with the changes

warm plinth
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yeah man, hyperdeadge spec 😢

south zealot
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yepn

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turbo dead

old trellis
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This may sound like a dumb question but I am new to Warrior tanking. Are you suppose to use slam or whirlwind at all in M+ content?

south zealot
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no

sick sentinel
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Not at all in any content

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As PWar

stone condor
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because of this ? Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).

warm plinth
warm plinth
old trellis
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Thanks for the info

stone condor
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i know some of these words

warm plinth
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We're joking

sick sentinel
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yeah, uninstall wow

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dissassemble computer, throw it in the trash and light it on fire

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its all over gaming is dead

median tulip
sick sentinel
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possibly cobalt farm if you get a power for it, even then

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There's no power for specific abilities weirdo

median tulip
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Cobalt farming isn't content, it's a chore

sick sentinel
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That's why you level a toon through Cobalt then you don't have to do it after

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Easy

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is there a reason to hit final rank

thin silo
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Xmog I think

uneven mason
lost ocean
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I'm sure it's been discussed here before - but I don't see any pins... getting 4 set, I just got my last piece last night, but the item level brings my overall item level down by 1. Is the benefit on the prot warrior 4 set better to have / achieve?

uneven mason
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Like cobalt was stupidly easy as prot

uneven mason
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It's a good bonus

indigo wharf
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is any stable variant for hyrja trick with swaping storm and light phase?

lost ocean
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Do you know if anyone has run any data on the 4 set bonus to show how much it adds?

uneven mason
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Especially since they just nerfed brutal, which I mean hasn't worked all expansion

uneven mason
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Like ~ 5% leech, worth some ilvl

mighty valley
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I'd drop a little ilvl for it in content that's constantly threatening me

uneven mason
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Did anyone else laugh at the nerf to brutal?

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Like slashing the tires on a car with no engine

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"there now you won't go anywhere"

placid vale
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Eh, 7% more dmg. 7x0=0

uneven mason
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Mmhmm

limber flame
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take all the max health you can get and fire shoes and you are crusing

median tulip
uneven mason
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"warriors are near invincible vs blockable damage, let's make everything blockable, then nerf warriors are over represented"

mighty valley
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i thought my cobalt farm was funny. i got to pull enormous while also being a tiny little guy

sick sentinel
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do u use defensive stance as prot in m+

mighty valley
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start in bstance and use dstance as a defensive cd when you need it

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e.g. hyrja, switch to dstance for her knockback tankbuster, then switch back

sick sentinel
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dont rly like that playstyle

mighty valley
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it's a no-cooldown defensive button

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i don't really get how it's a "playstyle"

torpid junco
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At what key level do I truly ā€œneedā€ tier set

mighty valley
torpid junco
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Sounds like 22 then lol

mighty valley
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it's a ~3-5% power increase, it's not make or break

torpid junco
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So probably like 1 key level below the highest that’s been done then

mighty valley
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yeah, the scaling between each key level is pretty wild

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but anyway, catalyst is almost out

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so it won't matter for long

torpid junco
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For 1 piece… I have 0

mighty valley
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either you've barely played or that's shockingly unlucky

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they drastically upped the chances of seeing tier in vault from last expac

torpid junco
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Never seen in vault

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Would be hard to get to 22’s barely playing lol

mighty valley
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guessing you don't raid?

torpid junco
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On average pugging like half the raid each week

mighty valley
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well

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as a cowboys fan

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i wish you continued bad luck

sick sentinel
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more world quests plz

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need the rep

lusty narwhal
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whoever told me the stam hp you get from being tauren only calculated base hp lied 😦 I lost like 12k hp from swapping from tauren and now im sad

mighty valley
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12k of 450k still isn't insane

lusty narwhal
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i was at 504k

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now im 493k

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devastated

mighty valley
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oh no

lusty narwhal
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now im gonna get 1shotted by everything

unreal marlin
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fopr M+ sim we sim without flask cuase phial of the eye of the storm is not implementet?

mighty valley
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and with the nerfs too

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might as well delete character

lusty narwhal
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zandalari

toxic pewter
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Oh cool

sturdy locust
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Is Ruby Whelp Shell any good for Prot warrios in M+?
It's listed under the gear table, but in the tier list of trinkets its down in the B tier.

lusty narwhal
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but swapping to it i kinda hate the goofy run they have XD

toxic pewter
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dont worry u can regenerate now thats more powerful than 12k hp

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message blizz immediately they can revert race change if it hasnt been too long

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I did that before and they reverted it

lusty narwhal
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what did you say?

toxic pewter
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basically said while I enjoy my new race I miss my old race, please revert my race change if possible.

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And they did it

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but it was within like 1 or 2 hours iirc

lusty narwhal
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mine was a couple hours ago

toxic pewter
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do it

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https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/14386

If you are unhappy with the race or name you chose for your character these cannot be changed in-game, but Customer Support may be able to help if contacted immediately after using the service. Please note that assistance is not guaranteed.

sturdy locust
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I'll just hope my COS gives me a neat Whetstone then šŸ˜„

toxic pewter
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not gonna lie 12k hp for being Tauren seems pretty good O_O makes me want to change to them

warm plinth
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Yeah it'll save you in all those instances where you dropped to sub-12k HP

toxic pewter
#

I cannot leave Troll though

#

Troll just too good

#

I regen ton of hp during combat

jagged pier
#

u can name change for free

#

unless they stopped that

south zealot
mighty valley
lusty narwhal
#

@toxic pewter that sounds like normal troll regen tho, zand regen gets interrupted on dmg

toxic pewter
wintry jetty
#

why aren't we talking about the gnome master race?

toxic pewter
#

berserking lines up well with cooldowns, 500 hp every 2 seconds in combat

lusty narwhal
#

i just dont really like normal troll posture for prot warrior

toxic pewter
#

yah they badass

#

also the tallest horde race when not hunching

warm plinth
#

Tauren are taller than trolls

reef holly
#

Tauren masterrace- sorry for your loss

toxic pewter
#

na, Troll taller than tauren when standing up straight

warm plinth
south zealot
#

trolls are ugly as fuck

reef holly
#

I picked Tauren based on looks alone keks

toxic pewter
#

Their hunch dont count

#

imo

delicate lake
#

Where are mechagnomes on your chart

sick sentinel
#

apparently it does

toxic pewter
#

na not in my book

sick sentinel
#

wrong

south zealot
#

tauren look the coolest for prot warrior tank

toxic pewter
#

troll master race

south zealot
#

but pandaren is master tace

#

race

sick sentinel
#

trolls is shorter

#

Whetsone vs horn. whats best for m+ as prot

warm plinth
toxic pewter
#

tauren gotta look up at a troll face LOL

warm plinth
#

so they didn't put them in there

reef holly
delicate lake
#

I need every chart to include mechagnomes though

warm plinth
#

Mechagnomes get a bad rap, but I like them

south zealot
#

you shouldnt

#

they are worse than gnome in every way

#

and thats difficult

warm plinth
#

Their racials are better

toxic pewter
#

apparently their in combat stat racial wasnt updated for lvl 70 so like the value is the same at 60 as it is at 70

#

some guy on reddit was complaining

toxic pewter
#

hope blizz lets male trolls not hunch like they did for orcs

#

gonna be lanky boy

sick sentinel
#

abit gay?

#

i don't even really know exactly how the summons works

#

but it sure looks impressive when you do it

#

big lightning flash and 3 clones appear, start following attacking shit, its cool

warm plinth
#

So they likely won't give trolls that option

mighty valley
#

maybe he is gay. the rest of the party is thirsting for him though regardless

warm plinth
#

yeah I love me some dwarf man nips

sick sentinel
#

paladin

fading tide
#

I want that shield so bad

fading tide
dapper vapor
# sick sentinel

Really wish it was easier to get the elite version of this set

#

The lion shoulders and stuff are so sick

sick sentinel
#

i want a gold hammer weapon 1 hand more fitting of a paladin of the light completely gold

dapper vapor
#

Never played BFA and now I need to convince 10 people to queue for old content just for a chance at a slot, v sucks

sick sentinel
#

i don't like it moving around but its blue matches the blue ribbons on armor

spice orbit
#

Been playing all of DF in Defensive Stance. Am I missing out? Running 17-19 keys right now.

sick sentinel
#

yes, extremely yes

#

if you cant solo (or duo at worst) raids in bfa, uninstall game

lofty widget
dapper vapor
vital oak
#

I'm not sure what you're trying to get into but just walk into the portal?

dapper vapor
#

What portal? This set of armour comes from warfronts

#

Heroic ones

vital oak
#

ahh

#

rp realms are more into xmog it seems to me, maybe make an alt on one of them and see if more people are interested?

wild dew
#

best weapon enchant for m+ and raiding

sick sentinel
#

ever since BFA i've been pretty big into transmog

#

but, i skipped wod legion, so i missed out on boatloads of raiding and dungeon mogs

lusty narwhal
#

Any orc players can tell me how much atk power you get from racial at max level?

cloud umbra
#

is there a max amount of haste for prot before looking at other secondaries?

south zealot
#

about ye mucu

fading tide
#

Dwarf or dark iron dwarf

warm plinth
cloud umbra
#

ok thanks. Sitting at 35% had one source say 30% just wanted to make sure i wasnt messing up

warm plinth
#

That's 40% before something like Into the Fray though

proud glen
#

can you spell reflect this ?

cloud umbra
#

thanks 40% buffed but pre talents

south zealot
#

but im not certain

strong forum
warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

strongest CC spells for final boss of nokhud? i would need 2 good ones that wont break easily

strong forum
#

it does both magic and physical dmg

cloud umbra
#

its spell blockable

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

i mean like a long form hard CC like sheep or sap, i think if sap works thats the best

warm plinth
#

You can't sap in combat

#

Or if the target is in combat

#

Blind, Sheep, Imprison, Freezing Trap

sick sentinel
#

damn, so, what does work on those adds, sheep i know, hunter trap i know,

#

rest is ??

wind lotus
#

monk paralysis

warm plinth
#

They're humanoid I believe, so just about everything works on them

inner rock
#

on an alt, prot warr has 0 interrupts having cleared to granyth in a +15. Is it a meme that interrupting is a healers job too?

sick sentinel
#

doesn't help that now there is 5 targets who can create explosive potentially each

#

rather than just 1 guy

dim apex
#

Tree boss in AA no challenging shout on 2nd round of adds this week how to handle threat?

warm plinth
#

Because if you went Granyth first, there's only like 4 mobs with an interrupt

jagged pier
#

shocking disclosure

warm plinth
#

So maybe he just didn't get the kick; interrupts are only tracked in details if they actually got the interrupt.

sick sentinel
#

maybe if i try nokhud again, i will see about running disrupting or intimidating shout

chrome falcon
patent hull
#

Are people still going to prioritize 20+ ilvls on a single piece for the 4 piece bonus after these changes?

dim apex
#

im lost on shoicking disclosure

#

what is this

prime umbra
#

Potion

#

Check it on AH

dim apex
#

ty

prime umbra
sick sentinel
#

theres another potion too that increase main stat by X for Y seconds, i have a few of those

dim apex
#

can i challengeing shout before they sprout out of ground and still get threat

#

or am i supppose to wait till they pop out of ground to gain threat

sick sentinel
warm plinth
# sick sentinel

now we just need 1 min pot CD and we got prolonged power back :prayge

spice orbit
#

mhhhmm steamed haste

#

Are the Legguards of Preparation worth crafting?

#

oh.. search makes it look they are

#

I might be a bit slow!

torpid junco
#

Does the boss tank on broodkeeper ever touch the action button to zap eggs ?

fierce mango
#

what flask for prot warr?

sick sentinel
#

for mythic + i am using eye in the storm

#

or tepid versa

sick sentinel
#

new targets as in, brand new, never attacked first time

spice orbit
#

hmm seen those on top m+ guys.. so I'd rather get another embellishemnt then...

sick sentinel
#

you know in doom 1 how there is like an imp and he doesn't see you, and then you shoot your gun so he turns, around, and then he is forever aggroed to you untill death or end the level

#

same type of stuff going on

warm plinth
#

I mean, in the end, your embellishments are not going to make or break a damn thing so you can make whatever your lil heart desires.

spice orbit
rough egret
#

Does 16and above drops primal focus aswell? Or only the higher version?

sick sentinel
#

so its not like, you can keep swapping targets and keep up the buff

warm plinth
sick sentinel
#

that would be awesome if it did work like how i described

warm plinth
rough egret
#

Thanks

hazy sluice
#

can u remove am embellishment?

spice orbit
#

yep

toxic pewter
#

it may be basic bitch mog but it just looks so good

spice orbit
#

unless it's fixed part of that item

torpid junco
#

What’s easier to pug, broodkeeper or dath?

boreal swan
#

is it true that armor spikes doesn't count as embellishment on shield ?

#

my droptimizer show's that i should equip one more, using lariat and armor spikes atm

sick sentinel
#

4 more days of adrean weald amphitheatre

heavy temple
#

Where does the nerf put us? I.e. Will we get more nerfs or are we fine now

sick sentinel
#

ohhhhh i just need 3500 anima and i get the matching back mog

oak echo
#

Mb didn't see it got answered

rough egret
#

Ty ty

small plinth
knotty oxide
#

ive heard prot 4set isnt that great is that true?

lusty narwhal
#

it feels just okay to me

wild dew
#

best weapon enchant for m+ and raids?

lusty narwhal
#

the higher M+ you go the better sohpic dcev becomes

#

dev*

#

and since most dps is boss dps in raids sophic as well

wild dew
#

awesome

#

ty for the info

sick sentinel
#

stuck in shadowlands forever

rotund dew
#

Is it possible to have a focus kick macro that if the focus is not set works like a normal kick?

toxic pewter
#

I enjoy 4set a lot because it creates a new application of IP which is where the real strength of it comes in

warm plinth
rotund dew
#

I found that one here:
#showtooltip
/cast [@focus, harm, nodead] Pummel
/cast Pummel

#

can I just add the exists to the arguments?

#

Like:

#

/cast [@focus, harm, nodead, exists] Pummel

fathom goblet
#

-> Everyone waiting next week for the 4 piece to get the extra buff from the set. Oh wait prot warrior nerfed so 4 piece makes no diference

#

such a troll

copper basin
#

how are warriors going to be after that nest nerf?

steel mauve
#

we are gonna start heading into mythic vault, and ive been loooking up the fights and im wondering if some one can give me clarification on teros, the group soak thing, for heroic you soak it with players, but on mythic it specifically states it damages all players, im confused on the wording

fathom goblet
#

@copper basin we still good and solid

warm plinth
steel mauve
#

nvm now that i read it again i understand the wording, no matter what it hits the entire raid, reduced by the amount of people in the soak, regardless of if you soak it or not

radiant ridge
#

Decoration of flame (415) and icon (421) is a good combination for m+?

warm plinth
#

it's okay

fierce mango
#

any tips for Liu Flameheart below 70% healing absorb?

grand locust
#

wait

#

serpent strike is reflectable šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

#

i did not know htat

whole vortex
#

Serpent strike is a non-factor. Jade Serpent Strike is not reflectable

#

but SR still gives you 20% magic DR

grand locust
#

true

#

theres not an easy addon/weakaura for reflectable spells is there?

#

im aware of the google doc

modern folio
#

there's a weakaura

grand locust
#

?

modern folio
#

yup

grand locust
#

awesome

#

cant wait to try itr out

modern folio
#

it isn't perfect tho i found

#

will often tell you to reflect when it isn't actually casted at you

#

so i do still keep and eye on cast targets that is shown with plater

fallen pulsar
#

Probably just looks to see if a reflectable spell is being cast

#

But doesnt do target tracking

grand locust
#

thats totally ifne

#

honestly i just wnated a way to know whats reflectable aside from rote memorization of the document

modern folio
#

i mean it should if it's grabbing the unfiltered combat log events it will see DestGUID and DestName

fallen pulsar
#

I’m not saying it can’t be done, I’m just saying the WA probably doesnt implement it

modern folio
#

yeah u are correct just took a peek and it only checks caster target

slow pawn
#

blizzard cant handle prot being strong must nerf

warm plinth
cloud umbra
#

does that one have fake reflect callouts like the other ones

modern folio
#

looked at the comments and appearently it does

cunning salmon
#

How bad do we feel the nerfs are

grave flower
#

Not bad

#

Not even close to doomer mode. Monks, DKs, and paladins all really solid rn too.

jagged pier
#

huge reroll

grave flower
#

Would you recommend reroll to shaman for tanking with these nerfs?

#

Just to remain meta

fallen pulsar
#

I would recommend hunter, pets tank better than prot warrior tbh

warm plinth
#

I'm gonna reroll to warlock tank

#

demonic pact op

toxic pewter
#

true

hard birch
#

To check Ignore Pain uptime, we goto Details!, then click on Buff Uptime, right?

stable valve
jagged pier
#

i would say 6%

#

as its the same calulations for magic damage expect for crit blocking

warm plinth
jagged pier
#

yer

#

im not the maths mans

#

i get told

strong forum
#

One could say, block claim

warm plinth
#

One could, but one shouldn't

jagged pier
#

and i dont think anyone has actually looked into the spell block stuff

#

either way more less

#

in the end

#

it wont matter

stable valve
sinful root
#

what gems are you guys using for lariat?

lusty narwhal
#

Any zaldarali tanks out there is the Crit loa the best one for tank?

jagged pier
jagged pier
#

like i was in BFA

grave flower
#

I went belf but I’m very close to going back zandi. The one true race.

warm plinth
#

Wow Jakey

#

Just gonna disrespect Gonk Gang like that?

lusty narwhal
#

i went sandi but im thinking about going orc female or back to tauren

#

zandi*

strong forum
#

Gonk is bis cuz name is funny

warm plinth
#

exactly

strong forum
#

Gonk

strong forum
dreamy island
#

Quick question: 3 trinkets - 392 Horn of Valor, 389 Decoration of flame, 382 All-totem of the master. What combo of the three should I choose for M+? My intuition tells me decoration + totem, but i'm just not sure

strong forum
#

Cro spending more on race changes in the last week than I've spent in the past 6 years

lusty narwhal
#

i got a free race change today

warm plinth
#

LOL

#

Wow, what's your secret?

jagged pier
lusty narwhal
#

telling blizz i regretted going zandi

sinful root
toxic pewter
lusty narwhal
#

so they gave me a race change

warm plinth
lusty narwhal
#

wqhile leaving me zandi

#

@toxic pewter the thing you told me

toxic pewter
lusty narwhal
#

instead turning me tauren they gave me a race change while leaving me zandi

#

so im gonna try zandi for a little

#

then maybe swap

grave flower
#

Zandi looks best

dreamy island
#

thank you Nomeratur, Arty

toxic pewter
#

dude thats even better treatment than I got lol

lusty narwhal
#

but it sounds like its a one off so

grave flower
#

Taurens and their helmet suck

toxic pewter
#

Imho, you should go Vulpera

grave flower
#

Wtf

toxic pewter
#

Such a fantastic race

lusty narwhal
#

i mean

#

their racials look super good

#

but they so small

#

i like looking at my tr ansmogs

toxic pewter
#

Dude their animations are badass though

#

imo

lusty narwhal
#

but so smol

jagged pier
#

vulp is best horde race for keys tbh

toxic pewter
#

They actually look good in this seasons tier imo

grave flower
#

So do belf and zandi

#

And fem Orc

toxic pewter
#

true

lusty narwhal
#

im not to worried about keys tbh, i just fill my vault up with +20's or higher for gear thne stop, i dont push io anymore since its just me and a buddy pugging

#

fuck that

weary notch
#

So are the nerfs going to up the value of Vers in M+?

strong forum
#

No

#

Nothing changes

#

All it does is we'll be slightly less sturdy

weary notch
#

Still Haste > Crit or Haste > Vers for M+ and Haste > Vers for Raid?

strong forum
#

I don't affect your talents, it doesn't affect your gear, it doesn't affect whatever is possible

weary notch
#

gotcha. Thanks

uneven mason
lusty narwhal
#

for our lariot/gem slots should we be going hate/crit~ or should we do what will give us the highest dps simmed?

strong forum
#

The main thing it does

#

Is that mastery becomes a more attractive stat

naive panther
#

is belt simming right with ring?

#

doesn't look like belt is proccing it in sims

strong forum
#

Ye

#

It is

naive panther
#

cause without trinket my signet is higher dps than fire ring

#

398 sig 408 fire ring

weary notch
#

I'm just asking because I was about to recraft some nice pieces. Guess I'll just stick with Haste > Crit since I mostly do M+

strong forum
#

What trinket

naive panther
#

blazing hoof

strong forum
#

That's a once every 2 minutes proc

south zealot
#

i personally stack full mastery chatting

strong forum
#

It doesn't do shit for the fire ring lol

uneven mason
#

sounds sussy

naive panther
#

then these are weird sims

strong forum
#

What is qerid

#

Werid

grave flower
#

Frost fire belt if you have rings is bis

strong forum
#

You've not given any info besides "does it work"

naive panther
#

i have 1 ring,

high drum
#

THE one ring

strong forum
#

Belt is 400-600 dps
Fire ring proc is 600-900 dps with the belt

toxic pewter
strong forum
#

Nothing huge

#

Those are the numbers you can expect from them

high drum
#

im doing iron man numbers

naive panther
#

but ring is less damage than melandrus unles i swap trink

grave flower
#

Hmm

strong forum
#

In what scenario

unkempt narwhal
#

wHey guys what piece would you craft with my last spark?

grave flower
#

ā€œDungeon sliceā€

strong forum
#

I need more info than that my guy

mighty valley
#

easy way to make sure it’s working is to sim again using an identical crafted belt that isn’t frostfire

strong forum
#

In aoe fire ring dmg isn't gonna get better

#

In aoe the fire ring gets worse

strong forum
naive panther
#

i did partchwerk, and then 5 target hectic add cleave no buffs

grave flower
strong forum
#

I'm just going by ilvl here

mighty valley
#

might as well do belt on the off chance you get fire ring

grave flower
#

Oh. Didn’t realize he linked his guy

mighty valley
#

and wipe off fangs

naive panther
#

im up to 413 ilvl now at least

#

jsut trying to decide what trinkets I want to use

#

why does blazebinder need to be 2 min cd

lofty widget
#

boon+whetstone/all totem

unkempt narwhal
naive panther
#

i guess my other was too

#

thats what i just did tainted

unkempt narwhal
#

I don't know if I will raid much on thsi guy to get rings

strong forum
#

Then it's not a big deal

#

The rings are nice to haves

#

But when it comes to embellishments all will do

mighty valley
#

simply hit eranog ring off the dungeon event chest early, that was my strat

crimson furnace
#

guys, quick Q: is it worth getting the 4p by sacrificing 2ilvls??

toxic pewter
#

2 ilvls? hell yeah it is worth it

crimson furnace
#

410 with 4p
412 without

strong forum
#

Sure

#

For m+ absolutely

crimson furnace
#

its M+, yhea

mighty valley
#

only in content that threatens you consistently tbh

crimson furnace
#

well, I am trying to time 21's and 22's atm

#

as prot warr

mighty valley
#

yeah prob worth then

crimson furnace
#

awesome, cheers, tyty!

mighty valley
#

but catalyst in a few days anyway, solving all your problems

low acorn
#

soon ā„¢ļø actually happening !

sick sentinel
#

there got the better recoolor transmog for back

fading tide
#

Bros how do I tank heroic primal council l?

mighty valley
#

Same as normal basically

jagged pier
#

u press your buttons

fading tide
#

I never did normal

jagged pier
#

well if u struggle that much u are supposed to swap olifang and ember whatever every mechanic

mighty valley
#

Swap fire guy and earth guy with Cotank after every earth guy tankbuster

#

wtf autocorrect

strong forum
#

Don't even need to swap fire guy

jagged pier
#

well no u dont

#

i tank all 4 in mythic

strong forum
#

Just swap only earth guy, rest is ffa

#

Boss does nothing

#

Literal target dummy

jagged pier
#

fucking melees fucking up my 125k kill by giving me electric

fading tide
#

I never did any of this raid just mythic plus but I want a 2 H lol

strong forum
#

Literally, just swap earth guy after each mechanic from him

fading tide
#

Ty

strong forum
#

And don't aim fire guy into the raid

#

The rest doesn't matter to you

toxic pewter
#

u got it just be sure clear frost debuff in the fire

mighty valley
#

if your raid fucks up the ground too much move to empty space but don’t go a billion miles from pillars

strong forum
#

Ye clear frost debuff at 6 stacks

#

By going into fire

#

Doesn't have to be exactly 6

#

Just make sure to not get 10

fading tide
#

Ty for quick run down

wooden widget
#

What buff in AA?

vocal nimbus
#

can hyrja be desynced at the start of the fight?

#

its kinda tight aint it?

warm plinth
#

Eh, you can just go practice it on M0. It's not that hard to get down

#

Just make sure you don't have armor spikes equipped or you'll probably 1-shot her keksquad

#

It's also not really required to do. It's just a bonus if you do it

wooden widget
#

What do you mean Desync?

warm plinth
#

She casts the ultimates on the wrong sides, so she has the wrong buff.

vocal nimbus
#

i tried some 21s and healers cant cope with the storm

wooden widget
#

Is that helpful?

warm plinth
#

It means they do less damage

wooden widget
#

Oooh!

warm plinth
#

She gets buff stacks the longer she's on one side that make the ultimates do more damage

void chasm
#

Whats the best addon/WA to mark targets in M+... Prefferably an auto marker if possible

warm plinth
#

You can just google auto marker WA if that's what you're after

void chasm
#

couple iv tried don't seem to do anything in the dungeons so i assumed they were outdated

warm plinth
#

You have to hover over the mobs to mark them. It won't actually just mark things

grave flower
#

There are ones that auto mark mobs

random snow
#

What is the recommended train for ruby whelp shell for M+?

old inlet
#

tell me... are we fucked tuesday?

mighty valley
#

Yeah reroll now

#

Not even gonna be able to do m0

prime umbra
#

Yeah lets all swap to brewmaster

stable valve
slim dove
reef holly
#

Did you time?

void chasm
slim dove
wintry nymph
#

i see a lot of ppl running 2 set over 4 set cuz of higher item level pieces

#

is 4set not important enough?

reef holly
#

What was his/her/their io?

reef holly
void chasm
#

Nice

hard birch
#

How do you check IP uptime?

void chasm
#

click on the player on details then go to auras iirc

hard birch
#

On details I click on "Buff Uptime" is that it?

void chasm
#

that works also

hard birch
#

Ok, I just wanted to make sure, says 92% for HOV.

#

Want to make sure it's an accurate reading.

mighty valley
#

IP uptime isn’t a metric worth tracking

sick sentinel
#

It depends

mighty valley
#

I guess if it’s close to 100% that’s a sign to go do harder content

sick sentinel
#

You want it as high as you can reasonably achieve

#

There are fights where you can’t keep it up even when you press it every time you can

mighty valley
#

It’s just so content and context dependent that there’s no benchmark to shoot for or anything

#

And it doesn’t really change your rage spending prios regardless

hard birch
sick sentinel
#

Ok in that sense yea you need to track it with a wa or something lol

mighty valley
#

ā€œAm I overcapping rageā€ is the real metric

sick sentinel
#

Honestly can’t wait for streamers and pros to play bds so I can reroll

#

Prot hurts my finger

iron forge
#

i got 372 ancestral protectors stone. i read that hads up time 30% did anyone tried it?

mighty valley
sick sentinel
#

Because I’m a sheep?

#

Was that a rhetorical q

mighty valley
#

Wake up sheeple

#

Play based on fun and vibes only

sick sentinel
#

It’s not fun when I can’t get into groups

mighty valley
#

Make your groups

#

Find friends

sick sentinel
#

That’s too much work

#

It’s easier to just reroll

slim dove
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and then reroll again as the streamers chase the next meta

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zzz

sick sentinel
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That’s the optimal way playing this game rn tho

slim dove
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it really isn't

mighty valley
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I don’t know how y’all put up with the mid-key meta, it’s insane

slim dove
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you aren't some top 0.1% player

toxic pewter
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what level is your brewmaster everyone?

slim dove
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play what your good at and what you enjoy

sick sentinel
mighty valley
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ā€œI NEED meta specsā€ says dps player putting up 15k

slim dove
sick sentinel
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Ok let me check

wide nebula
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hey guys, is it worth getting armor spikes on shield compared to the well fed buff thing?

slim dove
mighty valley
strong forum
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No

mighty valley
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It’s the same 1% as everything else in m+ basically but worse in raid

toxic pewter
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Honestly wish vanguard lasted a little longer sometimes lol

wide nebula
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@mighty valley ok, thank you

toxic pewter
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like brewmasters lasts like 15 sec iirc

sick sentinel
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Yo actually you right I’m like 0.3%

slim dove
sick sentinel
toxic pewter
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Where does execute fit into our rotation these days in regards to vanguard

sick sentinel
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I need to do my AA still lol

mighty valley
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You’re never gonna be a real pusher until you charge your phone

warm plinth
gentle abyss
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Hey, is the frostfire belt worth a craft even if I dont have any raid rings to proc?

toxic pewter
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yah but what if vanguard about to drop off do i execute or revenge

warm plinth
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You don't keep vanguard up during execute I don't believe

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You just execute

sick sentinel
toxic pewter
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wish execute gave vanguard

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that would make it so good

warm plinth
slim dove
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add players after good keys

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make your own group

sick sentinel
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What…

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Where do you think I got them from lol

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I don’t raid

mighty valley
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I just want you to charge your phone man

slim dove
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you literally just said

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you can only pug

mighty valley
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It’s about to die

slim dove
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because your friends are raid progging

sick sentinel
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And where do you think I know them from

void chasm
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so will prot be viable for lower keys still?

slim dove
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0.3% IO but room temp IQ smh

sick sentinel
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Pugging

mighty valley
sick sentinel
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You don’t go to Craigslist to find people to push with

slim dove
void chasm
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i use gumtree instead humble

mighty valley
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Craigslist Missed Connections

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ā€œYou were the outlaw rogue with the sweet mog who actually used tricksā€

sick sentinel
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I have someone in my friend list noted as the moan sfx wa guy

mighty valley
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Hm!