protection

[mighty valley]

i see vdhs that leap into a pull and just fall over. not sure exactly what they're doing wrong but it must be possible to play badly somehow

[lone eagle]

was snagging all the big bear parses the first few weeks but swapped once I saw no real pwar nerfs on the horizon

[void marten]

i wanted to get a manic grieftorch but our cr sponge ww monk had shit trinkets apparently

[lone eagle]

My bear lucked into grieftorch from the first vault

Hoping my pwar can snag it as well soon 😢

such a based trinket

[ripe cave]

what do people think overall of the nerfs, what do you think the expected damage increase to be from it?

[mighty valley]

first pin

[lone eagle]

[void marten]

its really great especially during progress

[frosty holly]

Check Pins

[prisma crane]

its better on bear than warr, kinda trolling with it on warr

[waxen cradle]

I basically will not be leaving Prot Warrior and never will, I just wonder where the buffs to other tanks leave those tank classes since the devs feel we needed the nerfs to bring us more in line.

[lone eagle]

It's nice on bear because Rage of the Sleeper works on it

[flat sorrel]

This going to affect us much

[warm plinth]

Yes, spec ded

[daring marlin]

yeah prot dead

[high drum]

YAE

REROLL

[warm plinth]

reroll immediately

[daring marlin]

swap to bdk

quick

[mighty valley]

we just gotta shut down the channel on nerf days

[crimson furnace]

re-roll

[mighty valley]

put up a sign

[ripe cave]

do we think that mastery might see more value now?

[void marten]

check pinned message

[lone eagle]

No

[mighty valley]

"GO AWAY. REROLL. DEAD SPEC"

[naive panther]

Prot dead

[sick sentinel]

fuckin

sticky that shit

[prisma crane]

we'd be down half the days in DF since beta

[sick sentinel]

image sticky

[waxen cradle]

Swap to DK, Monk, or Bear NO LONGER OP

[mighty valley]

i see no problem here

[sick sentinel]

get ppl shut up about it lol

[tawny kiln]

https://giphy.com/gifs/minneapolis-FYrnftEWTRKtW

[lone eagle]

I'm just hoping they fix bear bugs

TnC not applying in AoE is a travesty

[high drum]

i hate bear players so i dont care

i hope their spec is unplayable

[void marten]

isnt there some changes to bear coming on reset?

it's also the highest dps tank as well right? on aoe

[lone eagle]

Yeah and half the talents don't work as intended or at all

No

Bear is competitive with pwar on single target

[clever heart]

so i See the pin that says to still use Brutal Vitality talent despite nerf.
wat about Brace For Impact ? Does Ennerving Focus become viable in certain content ?

[daring marlin]

I dunno bro this was pretty funny

[lone eagle]

in AoE, monk, ppal and warr are higher

until you get to exceptional target counts

[mighty valley]

absolutely not, brace is still miles ahead

[clever heart]

ty friend <3. you guys very helpful for me today.

[void marten]

i hope i get eranog ring from vault this week

[lone eagle]

I have Eranog ring on my bear

Diurna ring on the pwar

Just want to smash them together and I'd have the perfect mix of rings and trinkets

[mighty valley]

confusingly the eranog ring also has diurna in the name

[lone eagle]

also true

[fierce mango]

Any thoughts on the upcoming prot nerfs?

[void marten]

prot war is dead

[hexed jacinth]

[void marten]

reroll protection warrior

[mighty valley]

we will be a bit less defensively strong. damn!

it's mostly a phys damage intake nerf but also applies to spell block

[fierce mango]

Just asking for thoughts on it as I dont know how it will affect the spec, would consider u guys knows that things

[void marten]

you can check the pins

[mighty valley]

i'm personally never a doomer on this stuff, we'll be aight

[fierce mango]

No need with the attitude PYKE, was just a normal question

r

[mighty valley]

but we're supposed to doom today, so

the sky is falling

[slim dove]

idk you could check pins

before asking something that obviously has been asked 50+ times in the past hour

[fierce mango]

im a social guy

[void marten]

i thought i was being nice

[high drum]

is prot still viable?

after nerds

nerfs

[daring marlin]

nope

[high drum]

dunno if u guys have seen

[daring marlin]

hot garbage

[high drum]

mmo champion dot com has them

nerfs to prot, is it still viable tho?

[daring marlin]

Like a bowl of mayonnaise left out in the sun

[void marten]

what is the best single target for covenant arms warrior?

[vital oak]

Artisans consortium

[faint reef]

hey guys, do we have a df reflectable spells spreadsheet ?

[slim dove]

its dead reroll brm

[sick sentinel]

Dead spec

[slim dove]

6-7% more dmg taken from blocked attacked oh no

6-7% of 0 is still 0

[merry umbra]

pins

[faint reef]

Thanks mate 😉

[merry umbra]

reroll dh it looks like yap

[daring marlin]

[sullen yarrow]

does someone use the haste proc from the ruby shell trinket? whats the uptime? or anyone use the aoe/st dmg?

[clever heart]

Hey legion timewalking is next week it seems. Is there any gear that might be worth farming ? trinkets or such. we usually say auto attack ring but we already got cos.

[little knoll]

Hello everyone, quick question. Is Unstable Frostfire belt worth my second embellishment slot? Or would shield spike or the shield of the hearth be a better option?

[south zealot]

vault trinket maybe

[oblique quarry]

frost fire is good and it procs raid rings

[little knoll]

Nope

[south zealot]

with raid rings its good

[little knoll]

Haven't gotten lucky on the ring yet

[boreal swan]

Tanking 22-23.s without tier set, so i guess we're fine after nerf

[mighty valley]

huh? block value doesn't affect bleed damage at all

[pallid quiver]

oh, i forgot to join in the doom saying when the nerfs were announced

uh, something something dead class, should just delete my entire wow account it's so bad, etc etc

did i get all the usuals?

[mighty valley]

"we were already the worst tank and the community was all just wrong"

[south zealot]

what was the nerf

[pallid quiver]

Shield Spec gives 3% less shield value per point is probably the biggest one

went from 15% to 12% iirc

They also nerfed BrV by some amount

and, uh

Brace for Impact is 3% per stack instead of 5%

[slim dove]

we can't block either of these

ah

something peck.

[south zealot]

so uoure saying we dont use a shield at all

got it

[mighty valley]

not any more. after a ~7% nerf, toss that shield away, it's useless

[fallow osprey]

SULLIED IT!

[daring marlin]

With 4pc I have doubts it'd be better

[steep wraith]

4 set gives you a little IP all the time

so BrV is always working

without it, you need to cast IP, so it's not always working

4 set will give you IP if you have none at all, BrV won't, so yes, it's 2 different thigns

[slim dove]

BRV feeds off 4set.

er

[steep wraith]

Well yeah, it means that when IP drops, your 4 set applies a small IP for BrV to work again

[zinc spruce]

first mistake of doing a key

inviting 4 premades

[reef holly]

Hang up your shield fellow adventurer, the war has been lost…

[zinc spruce]

i stand by the fact that we all should have our first and last name in game, also our address

people would be so much nicer

to each other

[high drum]

maybe next expansion bros

[zinc spruce]

🙏

[void marten]

demarquis ledamar jr. from buenvenito drive puerto rico wants to fuck ur mom

what can you do

[inland mesa]

so is whetstone whelp now the play, or boon whelp? and is whelp the single target version?

[zinc spruce]

i wish he was the only one

[oblique quarry]

All totem whetstone is what I use

[inland mesa]

for M+ what would the other be for raid then

[zinc spruce]

I NEED GRIEFTORCH

[shut ether]

traded my 411 grieftorch to dps feelsbad

[opaque stratus]

Hey guys, I'm not quite sure about that

My IP+SS Macro
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
YES, i macro'd ,specifically in that order, Shield Slam TO my regular Ignore Pain Keybind.
❗ THIS IS ONLY ON IGNORE PAIN, NOT TO BE USED AS YOUR NORMAL SHIELD SLAM BUTTON ❗

So that means you use this macro as your default Ignore Pain key and never us Ignore Pain without that macro bind?

[toxic pewter]

basically only use it as if you wanted only to use ignore pain in that moment

[daring marlin]

why not just put it on shift+e like a human

[earnest nymph]

How funny would it be if the arms thunder clap buff hit us too by mistake

[sick tartan]

Damn I just got my prot warrior to max and now i see it's dead spec on tuesday R.I.P

[tender cove]

Community nerf in a nutshell "overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack"

and blizz does it to please them xD

[zinc spruce]

Why is it dead

[opaque stratus]

In all the years I never played warrior or prot warrior. So I don't even have an idea if there's any moment where it's bad to use shield slam by default after ignore pain. Just trying to reduce my keybinds 😄

[toxic pewter]

Far from dead lmao

[earnest nymph]

Prob still on top

[toxic pewter]

I am so powerful these measly nerfs mean nothing

[south zealot]

imagine taking like 7 weeks to fotm retoll

reroll

[tender cove]

I mean, the leech is pretty meh to lose

but understandable

the block stuff? doubt we'll notice it

[weary saddle]

seems like the nerf is a removal of part of the tier bonus

[tender cove]

has nom answered what it actually means in terms of damage taken?

[slim dove]

pins

[loud hull]

how big are the nerfs?

[tender cove]

6-7% more physical damage, more than i thought tbh

[slim dove]

6-7% blocked hits.

it no big deal.

[high drum]

its OVER

[sick tartan]

Jayo gets it ^

[tender cove]

not what we struggle with anyhow so yeh

[cosmic fractal]

Full doom, all rerolling monk

[tender cove]

They should buff spell reflect to 30% dr to compensate tbh

[timber terrace]

your life will move on crit blocks now unplayable spec

[tender cove]

😄

[sick tartan]

I rerolled Bear after this travesty

[slim dove]

yeah reroll brm and die on +10s cuz the spec doesn't play itself

[sick sentinel]

yogi world first lvl 13

[cosmic fractal]

Sounds like botting to me

[tender cove]

gz bro

[toxic pewter]

Do the nerfs change mastery value at all? Like can mastery be seen as a bit better or worse than it used to be? Defensive wise at least

[timber terrace]

the nerf makes it slightly worse than it used to be

[sick sentinel]

it wont be that bad

[daring marlin]

oh man my arms are cramping up

DAMN YOU PULL DAY

[timber terrace]

you already don't really want mastery it's very similar to crit but worse

[tender cove]

i didnt see pins, i trust them

[tender cove]

eat ZMA supplements

will increase your testo levels as a bonus.

[cosmic fractal]

Do you need 4piece for that bonus?

[tender cove]

for the talent? no. For the 5% bonus? yes

[cosmic fractal]

For testo levels

😄

[tender cove]

haha. nah, its just regular zink-magnesium minerals. been around forever.

[earnest nymph]

Right

Should be 40%

[bleak birch]

Why stop there, 75%

[vital oak]

Nah, leave it at 30% but buff the damage by 75%

[weary saddle]

I think nerfs will not be noticeable since they coincide with the dungeon nerfs

[timber terrace]

brv really doesn't do that much for your survivability outside oft he burst window and big pulls

[quiet pawn]

Is brutal vitality still glitched if you cap IP?

[weary saddle]

the nerfs are % reductions and so we will still arrive at the same values in abt a couple weeks worth of gear upgrades?

[daring marlin]

It's just if I'm not careful is all

[median tulip]

The nerfs are focused on our physical damage mitigation, which is our least vulnerable point; mostly what it will mean is that your self-healing will have less overhealing to it. But feel free to Doom about it; it'll drive off the irritating FotM types

[cosmic chasm]

warrior for LIFE baby

these POSERS

[daring marlin]

let 'em go

[grand arrow]

warri is one season a little above and become tones of nervs but when we look back bdk was 2 seasons miles for all tanks so blizz hate warris

[daring marlin]

It's gonna be ok buddy

[wooden widget]

All tanks feel powerful now

Nice

[south zealot]

blizzard doesnt hate warriors

[radiant storm]

WARRIOR IS DOOMED

ITS OVER BOYS PACK IT UP

[tender cove]

the wording is so lame though reading between the lines "we actually think all tanks feel powerful now and we like it but because the community is a bunch of little whiners who dislike warriors, we'll nerf them a bit, now plz shut up"

[south zealot]

thats literally not even remotely what they said

they said there is an overwhelming population of warriors

[pallid quiver]

" our data and overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack"

The overall perceptions part is the notable portion

It's mostly their own data, but they're acknowledging part of the fact that the community thinks they're so overwhelmingly fuckbusted as to why there's so many prot warriors

[fallow osprey]

Basically

It’s a token nerf

If pwarr was actually busted there would have been something substantial

[pallid quiver]

Which is correct; community perception does influence what is played

[tender cove]

Protection Warriors are currently dominating tank populations. While we do want all tanks to feel powerful, our data and overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack. We’re making some small talent adjustments that are overbudget to help address this.

Thats the full message. There's no real nerfs or buffs to other tanks, meaning they are ok with tanks being of the power level of warrior, their data and overall perceptions of tanks, meaning the community meta, and as such are making small adjustment to have all tanks inline with each other, being this powerful

[pallid quiver]

Technically more than how strong a class actually is. See S3/S4 SL for proof

[tender cove]

exactly my point and they even explicity write it in their "overall PERCEPTION of tanks"

they are saying meta without saying meta

[limpid anchor]

Shit balancing if it’s really „too many people play it“

[tender cove]

When was the last time you had equal participation for tanks or any spec/class?

[fallow osprey]

Yeah, they want more representation, and they have data pwarr is probably a little ahead so they’ll try and shift perception. I mean they’ve spoken to this phenomenon in past interviews

[south zealot]

wait you guys

[weary python]

Thundering tank fix just rolled out is super nice, ya?

[south zealot]

are unironically upset by this

[weary python]

Rejoice

[south zealot]

maybe warriors are dumb as fuck

[fallow osprey]

I think everyone is chill? It’s not a meaningful nerf

[tender cove]

?

[cosmic fractal]

That seems pretty nice, yeah

[cosmic fractal]

Three reds, tank always red.

[weary python]

The combination of Thundering will now be 2 Mark of Lightning and 3 Mark of Wind.
The tank will always be Mark of Wind.

[tender cove]

I'm not upset at all, its pretty small. I'm annoyed were getting nerfed due to community meta perception, something ive made plenty of points about in the past.

[limpid anchor]

Seems like you are the dumb one :(

Missing the point and so

[cosmic fractal]

Yes, no int.

[south zealot]

you seem upset

and regardless of their reason prot warrior is the best tnak

tank

[fallow osprey]

You can tell who the people are that main other tanks but still frequent the pwarr discord anyway to try and stir the pot

[tender cove]

Sure, we can split the difference between annoyed and upset if you're willing to admit you're missing the point?

[cinder storm]

BDK mains

One bdk "main" told me they have problem tjs 3rd boss but we warriors are fine

[south zealot]

missing the point of what

[fallow osprey]

Imagine tanking without a shield yikes

[cinder storm]

some people just like to argue

[fallow osprey]

That’s like tank 101

[tender cove]

the discussion at hand?

[limpid anchor]

Actually dumb it seems

[full ravine]

I come for the real jist - and won’t scroll up. How will the nerfs effect us in comparison? Looks minimal

[cinder storm]

pins

[south zealot]

our data AND overall perception

clearly data shows its the best tank

[tender cove]

yes.

[south zealot]

prot dominating the tank population is the reason they got a nerf alongside data

not the perception of the overall nontank community as you seemed to imply

[sick sentinel]

4 more dungeons and i can do another 405

prolly 402 but whatever

[tender cove]

sick bro, what ilvl are you now?

[wicked plank]

tbh am not sure it's the tankyness of protwar that makes us that strong, if you look at damage side...

[south zealot]

brewmaster does the most damage

[sick sentinel]

396 myself, never ring

[cinder storm]

Lol?

[uncut zephyr]

Survivability is definitely the main point of prot

[wicked plank]

against 75% of magic tank buster in raid ?

[cinder storm]

If public opinion was ok with a tank being where it was, they wouldn't have made any changes

[quiet monolith]

Every bear I know switched to prot

[south zealot]

prots magic weakness is against consistent magic damage not big single hits

[cinder storm]

But people have been whining about prot day one and naowh had to go and spent a week on his stream "playing vdh because war is too ez"

[south zealot]

its braindead easy and the best tank

everyone knows it

blizzard slapped its wrists

gg

[wicked plank]

that's why I feel super squishy against kurog mm :p

[tender cove]

5/7

[uncut zephyr]

The only thing that's easier is that you can have 100% AM uptime

All the tanks have sleeper dps rotations

[cinder storm]

Man, I wonder which one was easier, SL bdk or pwar DF?

Bdk for sure

Two button rotation

But people seemed to be ok then with that

[uncut zephyr]

Blizz was just checked out at that point

oops destro and survival are doing 40% more aoe damage than anyone else

w/e, don't change it

[south zealot]

?

literally everyone knew it was braindead and op

[cinder storm]

"we are going to change destro but after so many people whined we are going to leave it at that"

Same happened with bdk parry chance, top raiders said nope, this couldn't tank the jailer if you nerf it, blizz reverted the change

[south zealot]

everyone knew bdk hpriest destro surv X was super op

[uncut zephyr]

surv/destro were broken even on the ptr, I don't think anyone sane reasonably expected them to stay that powerful

[cinder storm]

I'm saying people knew yet were ok with that, mainly at first because non meta specs took the spotlight

[south zealot]

dont think anyone was okay with them being op for half a year

[sand pebble]

so these changes dont really do much unless you run a 20 cos naked right?

[south zealot]

theyre minor

[uncut zephyr]

Surprised they didn't gut ignore pain tbh

anytime warriors are anywhere near the healing meter people get sus

[south zealot]

what?

every tank has something like ignore pain

[sand pebble]

ip isnt healing its mitigation

[warm plinth]

My favorite conversations in here are when people have a fundamental misunderstanding of the core mechanics of the spec.

[south zealot]

indomitable IV and leech are the only real healing prot does

and pain and gain if youre talented ig

[fast knot]

"Pwar healing out of control bro you did like 60k hps while hitting like 15 mobs in raid bro!"

[sand pebble]

haha these minor changes will just allow leech/indom to overheal less

[south zealot]

correct

[frozen silo]

How do we deal with explosives this week?

[south zealot]

auto attack them

[sacred flare]

Those prot nerfs for next week are reanly not anything

[south zealot]

heroic throw

[warm plinth]

nah spec is deadge

reroll time

[frozen silo]

Gotcha tyty

[fast knot]

kind of a meme but rdruid makes the affix completely redundant

[quiet monolith]

Might as well delete this channel tbh

It's over

[fast knot]

although you can definitely snipe them easily for rage/IV procs

[warm plinth]

You don't get IV procs from explosives

Not since BFA

[fast knot]

Have I been just sniping mobs then

Shit lol

so I'm assuming War Machine doesn't as well then

[cinder storm]

I'm at least happy that disc is getting some love

[flat sorrel]

Is prot warrior still going to be good after these nerfs?

Just fucking with y’all

[warm plinth]

I would assume not, but I don't know. I haven't done any keys yet this week

[cinder storm]

They need to buff classes up in certain contents rather than nerfing others

[flat sorrel]

Btw guys a week ago I was doing sims with rumbling ruby vs grieftorch and on every sim it said ruby was better. I just got a grieftorch and dear lord is it better. Careful with sims

[uncut zephyr]

Ruby is omega bait, yeah

only good on cleave training dummies

[flat sorrel]

The sims were saying it was over 1k DPS more than grieftorch on 1/3/5 mob pulls. However it was always doing 1-2% of my damage. Grieftorch is doing 7-9% of my damage

[sand pebble]

are you getting grieftorch cdr from people dying? thats its rreal power

[flat sorrel]

No

It’s insane how much output it has

[weak snow]

that is 1 torch cast per global in lfr

[flat sorrel]

My results are all form mythics+. I’m running 18-20s

So it may be different results elsewhere

[sand pebble]

it really isnt

i only got 5 on raz

[frozen silo]

I’m still doing 10s and apparently healers can’t see orbs at that level smh

[fast knot]

Yeah to be fair some of the shit I've seen in sub 15 keys is suspect as fuck

[frozen silo]

It’s the same with thundering. Sometimes you just gotta throw a frontal on someone so you don’t die to the stun

[warm plinth]

I'm just surprised Blizz listened to the thundering suggestion

Actually kinda hyped about it

[oak echo]

do we know why they didn't just make it so tank is always blue lol

[warm plinth]

idk because blizzard

same result though so who cares

[oak echo]

it's arbitary i suppose but was interesting

i did a key after it went live but before i saw the article and i got hella confused

"why am i red and safe"

[flat sorrel]

What suggestion

[south zealot]

16s are generally easier than 10-14s

[south zealot]

responding to this ^

to pug of course

[warm plinth]

They made it so tanks are always the red debuff, and there's always 3 of the red debuff. So as the tank, you never have to clear.

[quiet monolith]

Any tips on m+ rings or wrists/pants I should be looking for ? I've had terrible luck

At 398 ilvl but wearing the faction shield proc ring, blazing ring, and tempest wrists still

[warm plinth]

shield proc ring 🤢

[quiet monolith]

I know ideally I want a eranog or dath ring

[warm plinth]

damage ring 😠

[quiet monolith]

Should I just run the dam one ?

[warm plinth]

[quiet monolith]

K daddy

[sick sentinel]

i feel like this group i joined is sussy, 5th is a mage

[warm plinth]

what's wrong with it

[mighty valley]

has lust, has PIs

perfect group

[sick sentinel]

no brez

2 warrior 2 priest

[mighty valley]

don't die

[onyx vessel]

Get bres bracers

[warm plinth]

brez is a crutch

[onyx vessel]

[mighty valley]

i really don't consider group comp until way higher keys

[onyx vessel]

Shadow priest tho

Switch it for boomkin

[mighty valley]

class strength really doesn't matter in the pug mines

[onyx vessel]

Bres more dmg and sang control

[west adder]

Hey guys, is speccing away from devestator Talent an option this week, pugs wont explosives and i see myself depleting every key because of this, im pugging 18s to 20 atm

[onyx vessel]

[mighty valley]

take a good shadow priest over a bad <any class> any day

[sand pebble]

no

[onyx vessel]

Aa the explosion or roast your healers

[mighty valley]

no, use either heroic throw or just melee to kill explosives

[sand pebble]

auto attack them, make dps do them

^^

[mighty valley]

if you click to them early enough your auto swing will come up in time, have faith

[onyx vessel]

Run with a healer with a brain

Explosive is healer job

.

[mighty valley]

yes, in a perfect world, healers handle them except when a billion pop at once

but in a realistic pug world, you can only rely on yourself

[sand pebble]

healer can solo them on bosses, dps can get 1-2 in big pulls alongside you to help healer

[onyx vessel]

No

Healer job

Dont care

Tyran

[west adder]

Alr i do heroic throw and bash em didnt consider autoattacking em, my dps say its healer and tank job then healer says its dps job then we disband lmao

[onyx vessel]

You dying on trash need heals you are shit

[quiet monolith]

Can you just make a heroic throw macro that auto targets them and tosses ?

[onyx vessel]

No

[sand pebble]

cant macro target them no

[onyx vessel]

Mouseover

[quiet monolith]

That's annoying you can't target by name

[warm plinth]

Healer affix

[onyx vessel]

Yes

[warm plinth]

I mean, if you could it would be a nonexistent affix

[sand pebble]

no need for mouseover, ingame option now

[onyx vessel]

Tell the healer that before you start

If they say no or nothing leave

[warm plinth]

Because everyone would just have an instant cast macroed to explosives and spam it when one spawns

[onyx vessel]

[sand pebble]

id much prrefer a single explosing, 10 secs timer, huge health pool and everyone hard swaps to i

[onyx vessel]

99% of the time pug healers just afk heal themselves

Or someone who dipped

[onyx vessel]

Nah its fine as it is

[mighty valley]

i don't personally advocate joining groups and immediately being an asshole

[onyx vessel]

Tanks gotta deal with moving mobs outta sang

[mighty valley]

ideally you like. work together

[onyx vessel]

Not get explosive

Why would i need to get explosive when healer is doing jack shit?

[mighty valley]

sometimes there might be a lot of outgoing damage, sometimes they might just not notice one

just be normal and help out sometimes, it's one gcd

[onyx vessel]

Remember pug healers in grevious weeks + bursting

Dogshit watch you die

[south zealot]

you could be a reasonable player and hit the ones you can

[rapid rover]

Dumb question but is there a way to turn off mouse targeting for enemies? Like i'll be focusing on something and hit a keybind and because its hovering a trash mob on the side it changes targets? Causes mistakes in trying to get good kicks/stuns off

[onyx vessel]

Exposure to the trash low effort players play healer and pug keys

[rapid rover]

I thought it would be mouse over cast but thats unticked so im unsure

[warm plinth]

what do you mean "mouse targeting"

[onyx vessel]

Mouse over probably

[mighty valley]

man if all i did was play pugs and had the same low opinion people here have of pug players i wouldn't play world of warcraft

[daring orbit]

Is there a general agreed upon ilvl of a ring that is high enough to replace the Cobalt Assembly shielding one?

[warm plinth]

He said it's not mouseover cast

Shouldn't be using the shield ring anyway

[rapid rover]

So for example if i hit one of my side mouse buttons, but its hovering another enemy it actually changes to that enemy

[onyx vessel]

Just play with your guild and get those clean runs

[warm plinth]

what is the side mouse button bound to?

[rapid rover]

and I dunno why or how to stop it when mouseover cast is already unticked

[onyx vessel]

When you arent playing with the raid loggers who suck at keys

[mighty valley]

yeah i basically only do guild runs, but the high key community is generally good at the game

[warm plinth]

Are those straight from the spellbook or are they macros

[rapid rover]

Straight from the spellbook

[onyx vessel]

Spellbook opened enjoyers

[warm plinth]

Go to Options>Combat>scroll to the bottom and see if Enable Action Targeting is checked

[sand mason]

Agreedge

[rapid rover]

Yeah im picking up tips and tricks because as odd as it is, i've been playing on and off since release and never rolled a warrior

but prot feels awesome and haven't been tempted to play anything else.

unticked too

[warm plinth]

So if you go to a target dummy right now

And you mouse over something that isn't your target and press shield slam, it changes targets?

[rapid rover]

funnily enough not anymore, i guess ticking it, applying and unticking it set it

[inland mesa]

It's all your fault we're nerfed 😦

[rapid rover]

Thank you so much!

[warm plinth]

well, glad I could do nothing and still fix the issue

[rapid rover]

Haha gave me the options so i tried just applying them and unapplying

and now i can't swap targets without tab or left click which is what i wanted. ❤️

[onyx vessel]

Morale support

[warm plinth]

yeah definitely sounds like it was action targeting then

[onyx vessel]

Explosive would be a joke if you could marco it

Kinda already is but meh

Then you would make a range do it

[mighty valley]

None of the bosses I've done this week are as fucked on explosive as like, tredova or mistcaller were

[warm plinth]

pfft SL gamers are spoiled

Go back and do Temple of Sethraliss

[onyx vessel]

No

No

[warm plinth]

Last boss, explosives spawning at 4 different adds and you didn't 1-shot them back then

[onyx vessel]

No

Dont bring back the nightmares

[mighty valley]

shrine of the storm sanguine is my worst memory of bfa

tentacles that never moved stuck in a sanguine pool that never went away

[warm plinth]

Hey it went away

After a full minute

[onyx vessel]

Also sang lasted forever then

[mighty valley]

i guess i could've changed that to "shrine of the storm is my worst memory of bfa"

[onyx vessel]

[south zealot]

shrine of the storm and temple of sethralis are so bad

[daring marlin]

I personally enjoyed the council boss and the purple on purple of the last boss of Shrine.

[south zealot]

SO BAD

[onyx vessel]

Temple was pretty easy

[south zealot]

doesnt make it good

[muted rivet]

Should I spend my valor on upgrading Whetstone or Hooves? Got both at 379 can get them upgrade to 402 rn

[fast knot]

Oh you didn't mind getting Spit Gold back to back on a +23?

[south zealot]

healing boss as warrior

[daring marlin]

I liked Temple.

[south zealot]

your opinion is null

[onyx vessel]

Bandage time

[fast knot]

Actually that was a dps complaint my b

[warm plinth]

My perosnal favorite fucked mechanic in BFA was your own vers increasing the damage that the first boss mechanic of Temple did to you

[onyx vessel]

Doesnt work on boss

[daring marlin]

I loved doing KR on +23 as a ret paladin

[fast knot]

infinite wings

[daring marlin]

and getting spit gold every single time

[south zealot]

any fortified kings rest enjoyers

[onyx vessel]

The good ol times

[warm plinth]

spit gold can go fuck itself

[south zealot]

kings rest and lower are the hardest keys ive ever done

[onyx vessel]

Not wrong

[south zealot]

lower got nerfed repeatedly tho lol

[warm plinth]

Lower was a non-key at the end for sure

[onyx vessel]

Sl s4 prenerf lower enjoyers?

[daring marlin]

AD was the worst key on tyrannical

legit single boss dungeon

[onyx vessel]

By far worst memory in a key is my 2hr shrine that we didnt even complete

[south zealot]

dude i never timed a lowrr above 10

i stopped trying after week 4 lol

[onyx vessel]

Yeah it was rough

[topaz mauve]

I had a 350 death +15 Shrine of the Storm the 1st week of BfA M+. Never cared for that dungeon since

[young geode]

How bad are the prot warrior nerfs?

[topaz mauve]

I would have it in a rotation again though, some unique fight in there

check pins @young geode

[south zealot]

insignificant

[young geode]

That's what I thought but good to get confirmation

[pallid quiver]

we're fucking dead, absolutely terrible, i'm so ashamed to have ever been a warrior that i've flayed my own skin off and threw my computer out the window

[weak snow]

we all had that shirne. and that tol dagor. and that kings rest 😉

[pallid quiver]

i'm now travelling to the nearest monastery to atone for my wretched sins

[slim dove]

terrible play brm

[sand pebble]

and you will still be considered the s+ meta tank

[slim timber]

Anyone off the top of their head know what food I should buy as prot?

[sand pebble]

fortune cookies

[slim timber]

Always a great choice

[south zealot]

fortune cookie or feast

[sand pebble]

main stat + a fortune card you can vendor (random 1-100g)

cant use inside an active m+ though so keep some other food or craft an item with alchemical flavour pocket

[slim timber]

that things still 90k+ on my server

[sand pebble]

i looted mine from feast weekly quest

[warm plinth]

I did like 10 toons weekly and got 2 of them

can do like 3-5 toons per feast if you already have the characters there, depending on how bad the lag is for the tasks

[sand pebble]

thats why price is so high

[weak snow]

do you guys go full crit haste or also some versa? 😄

[south zealot]

full haste with some of the other stats

[mighty valley]

i go with what the games give me

enchants all haste

[digital sandal]

How much haste should prot be building?

[dire matrix]

you cannot have too much

with current gear

[weary python]

Does 10 main stat from a fortune cookie outweigh like 100 haste or w/e from non-feast food?

[south zealot]

what

its not 10 vs 100

[weak snow]

yeah sure but do you craft at least everything with crit haste? or also haste versa?

[weary python]

Dunno I looked up fortune cookie and it says 10 stam, 10 in another useful stat. Figured that's STR

[toxic pewter]

you sure youre looking at fated fortune cookie? Its 76 main stat

[south zealot]

craft with crit haste

[south zealot]

might be wrong one

[weary python]

Must be because it said fortune cookie up above so that's what i looked up

[south zealot]

sorry yeah its the fated fortune cookie

should be like 78 mainstat or something

[weary python]

Yeah that's probably the way to go then

[tender cove]

19 min over in an sbg 16

[cinder nova]

lol wtf

[tender cove]

had a DH jump into the purple shit 6 times... the lock dying while baiting 4 times

and we legit died to not being able to kill the wall add 3 times

[south zealot]

weekly no leaver sbg

[cinder nova]

wtf

[tender cove]

we reached last boss with 90 sec for a 2 chest

[cinder nova]

SBG is the free-est key in the roster

wtf

how do you even

[tender cove]

the key holder to everyone "its ok, we're all here to learn"...yeh, no i'm not xD

[weary python]

You learned

about pain

[tender cove]

its funny cuz when i joined, i inspected and I was like, nah, i should probably leave but then i was, how hard can they fuck it up

it was also a 17 now when i look but same same

they can fuck it up badly

never ignoring that gut feeling again xD

[cinder nova]

Literally 2-chested a 19 with 2 deaths I'm in awe of these guys

[fallen pulsar]

anyone got the general tl;dr on how big the nerfs are? Don't seem like a ton to me, maybe just makes BrV less attractive?

[tender cove]

pins

[fallen pulsar]

ty

eh 6-7% more physical doesn't sound too bad, especially at this point gearwise

[open gazelle]

Oh wow thundering convenience

[weary python]

I still haven't switched over to BrV because I don't have 4pc yet. So that part of the nerfs doesn't affect me since I won't feel the difference when I get my 4pc on Tues

[sick sentinel]

nokhud was not gud

we didn't even complete

[mighty valley]

what went wrong

[sick sentinel]

die to final boss whenever adds come out

[mighty valley]

CC a couple if your group is struggling

[sick sentinel]

well, we only had a mage, and a we had 2 pirests, i dunno if u can MC those or what

don't join sussy baka keys friends

[mighty valley]

sheep a far one, interrupt other to walk in

[sick sentinel]

3 shamans and a warlock when you get in type shit

[grim grotto]

for 20s m+, what are our best trinkets ?

i guess one is whetstone?

and the other?

[sick sentinel]

its okay, just a normal everyday fuck up

[mighty valley]

whetstone/alltotem probably best balance

[weak snow]

so many ppl and guides say totem is just not good for prot war

[slim dove]

whetstone/grieftorch + all totem.

[slim dove]

so many ppl are wrong.

its bad in raid cuz tank swaps

[mighty valley]

we're getting meleed a million times a second in m+, you get full value

baby brain shit to think "uhhhh prot warriors don't have parry or dodge mechanics"

but yes, not nearly as good in raid

[onyx vessel]

Yeah

[grim grotto]

i opened every week as dps because i thought i dont need any tank stuff 😮 meeeh. but true.. that alltotem seems strong :>

[mighty valley]

tank can open grieftorch, alltotem

[weak snow]

no

tank cant open torch

[digital sandal]

can tank open boon?

[weak snow]

that is prot loot spec

[sand pebble]

why cant tank open with torch? torch into shield charge works fine

[onyx vessel]

[mortal brook]

Shockwave torch ez

[weak snow]

that is dd spec:

[onyx vessel]

Imagine being in prot loot spec

Tank trinkets

[mighty valley]

whoops mb, i assumed if you could need in group loot it was in your lootspec

[mighty valley]

alltotem is very good

[onyx vessel]

Its based off current spec not loot spec i think

Cuz if you need on 2h shows offspec

[weak snow]

Harrow and AA Varughh promoting tank trinkets bigtime!

[onyx vessel]

Well its fair enough tbh

[mighty valley]

i mean, rule's still basically open vault in prot if you need a shield

[onyx vessel]

But a solid one is from loot boss

Then icon

What else you need?

[weak snow]

since crafted shield + weapons exist, there is not really a reason to open as prot tbh

[onyx vessel]

Yeah i already got mats ready for spark

To make 1h

Then get my 4p

Dont forget to save your crappy stat tier slot items for reset

From m+

Upgradable tier

[lament gulch]

Whats the best way to deal with 3rd boss in temple? i seem to just keep falling over any suggestions?

[toxic pewter]

yah but can get a 421 weapon/shield tho

[mighty valley]

it's discussed in pins

[true hound]

I think I've fallen inove with battering ram, in any m+ except for AA and possibly HoV if doing big pulls.

[mighty valley]

i'm battering ram everywhere rn

[true hound]

That almost 50% uptime of 20% melee attack speed is crazy rage regen

[onyx vessel]

Id want a m+ 421 trinket over those

418 vs 421 isnt enough to focus prot loot spec for it

[mighty valley]

i'd take 3ilvls on shield over 3ilvls on trinket if that's the choice

[onyx vessel]

Plus where else you gonna put the alch buff

[toxic pewter]

Yeah def want a 421 shield or weapon over any other slot

thats why I still open in prot

[onyx vessel]

Then you see a crappy tank trinket

Guess its socket #5

[true hound]

I just ran a pug normal vault Co tanking With another war. Almost trippled his damage so he asked for help. Dude had 5% ab uptime and 40% IP uptime, running shockwave and other useless talents. My average SS on St was 30k, his was 17k..

5% sb uptime **

[onyx vessel]

5% sb uptime

[true hound]

Had shield charge talented, didn't use once

[onyx vessel]

Tell him quit wow

[true hound]

Pressed SB one time in the entire encounter

[onyx vessel]

Probably outburst ss and ripped instantly

[true hound]

Flooded him with what he could improve. He wanted to learn, and that's always a good thing I guesz

[onyx vessel]

Grey parse trash players

[mighty valley]

guys like that are gonna be like "prot nerfed... no wonder i'm useless..."

[onyx vessel]

Nerfed for the 50th time

[true hound]

I mean, not having SB up is already a 30% damage loss on ss

[onyx vessel]

Also makes it so your hp yoyos

That ip uptime shows

Thats all he hit

[true hound]

For sure. He was over geared though and had passive defensive healing talents. It's a damn normal raid. Those talents do fuck all

[toxic pewter]

is here here in discord

[onyx vessel]

M+ talent build

[toxic pewter]

could be good idea to recommend him to join here and he can learn more

[onyx vessel]

Hero damage

Better idea then here

[harsh spruce]

What trinket everyone rocking?

[true hound]

Probably not. Got his bnet though, so I could send link to logs and WAs. I'll send him here too

[toxic pewter]

Mythic Decoration of Flame and Heroic All-totem

[south zealot]

icon and hoof

[harsh spruce]

Anyone using ruby whelp shell?

[true hound]

421 horn as it was the only decent thing in vault. With decoration flame. Haven't got any good dps trinkets. But that horn makes for some juicy OB SS

I've tried it a bit. Currently 5/6 on the ability.

[harsh spruce]

I have flame just looking for a good 2nd trinket

Which one have you gone in to? AOE?

[weary saddle]

who nerf to thundering, now tank is always red, and there are always 3 blues. so basically u can clear thudnering without touching the tank

[true hound]

5/6 on aoe ability

[weary saddle]

so we can just blame others for thundering now MUAHAHAHA

[harsh spruce]

Yeah no more DPSgetting hit from frontals

[proud glen]

hows the nerfs looking like to us ??

[south zealot]

pins

[true hound]

@harsh spruce check out how to train it and what you want to train it in. Aoe one can do some pretty good overall damage in m+

[weary saddle]

less time spent moving to clear thundering, more time for other things eg defensives and position

[harsh spruce]

I’m currently 4/6 on AOE

[true hound]

392 around 1.5k overall at 5/6 trained

[proud glen]

@south zealot what you mean

[weary saddle]

like at Umbnreskrul, u can just camp nolw

[proud glen]

ah ty

[weary saddle]

u know the feeling at Umbreskul when ur thundering is ticking and nobody is coming to u...

[true hound]

If recemmend adding a sound queue like "reflect" under conditions for the reflect wa. Helps a ton.

[south zealot]

just icebound fortitude

oh wait

brown class

[weary saddle]

so now that thundering is nerfed, at umbreskul u can let others clear thundering

just camp at umnbreskul at the topmost edge

[harsh spruce]

What gear has everyone crAfted currently I have
Neck
Weapon
Shield

[weary saddle]

neck, belt, shield.

[digital sandal]

You can make the frostfire belt but there is a pin for it

explaining the differences

[weary saddle]

i made molten belt for haste/vers

[mighty valley]

neck/belt/wrists/shield, weapon on tuesday

[limber python]

whats the website for mythic + that shows timing success rate by dugeno

dungeon*

[weary saddle]

i got a 13/13 weapon so i am crafting other slots first

[tender cove]

raider.io

[weary saddle]

that is just luck of the draw

but yes, weapon and shield is priority for protwar

[mortal brook]

but cant count incompletes so success% is kinda skewed

[weary saddle]

if u pug as a tank, its really mostly RNG

[mortal brook]

oh bestkeystone

[harsh spruce]

Hate PUGS BRAINLESS PEOPLE 😂😂

[mortal brook]

https://bestkeystone.com/statistics/dungeons

[violet flume]

pugging +15s i always get some random dps who pulls 20k dps

[weary saddle]

pugs not always bad, just no comms and no co-ordination and no time to talk abt anything

[violet flume]

like all i ask is that you do more damage than the tank 😦

[proud glen]

whats Brv and FrV

[weary saddle]

at +15 u should expect some minimal standards

[violet flume]

the choice node, brutal vitality vs fueled by violence

[proud glen]

ah

[violet flume]

yeah well they tend to have same ilevel as everyone else so it is what it is

[harsh spruce]

You always in defensive stance in keys?

[slim dove]

no

tankbusters only

[weary saddle]

always battle stance

[harsh spruce]

That’s where I’m messing up then I’m constant in defensive!

[slim dove]

even in 20+ keys im only in def stance for shit like shield of light (hyrja) and peck (crawth)

[weary saddle]

at +16, u can still survive tankbusters in battlestance if u use personal CDs

but above 16 is when i start to go splat and need DS

actually the thundering nerf is a big nerf to Azure Vault. it addresses alot of the positioning requirememts esp frontal direction

no more frontal risks to dps

[proud glen]

Do we think the nerfs are going to be a good impacted

[mortal brook]

if you notice them you're more sensitive to damage profiles than most

[vernal sky]

I tried Spell Block for AV, didn't feel like it did a ton, am I mistaken?

[topaz raptor]

I think u have to go out of melee range for it to work?

[weary saddle]

Spell block lasts 20 sec its amazing gd

[trim bay]

FOr HoV second boss, when shield of light is casted is SR+DS/SW sufficient?

[void marten]

which difficulty

what's your ilvl

[trim bay]

16/17 and 390

[weary saddle]

Yes you press Spell Reflect and one other CD. either SW or LS or Spellblock

[void marten]

i'd do ds+sr+sw and ds+sr+ls

[trim bay]

soz the DS was a given

my bad

[weary saddle]

Spell Reflect will be up every Shield of Light

[trim bay]

yea

[weary saddle]

so its always SR + something else.

[void marten]

also if you think dps will be low, i'd take either double sw or spellblock

[weary saddle]

SR alone is possible if u have a thick IP layer

but often i am not in melee distance cos of sanctify so my IP is not thick enough

i'm cramming +16s so far no need to talent double wall. im wondering at what level ppl need double wall

so far if my personals are down, i can rely on healer external CD to tide me over until the next shield wall comes up

[void marten]

maybe if you are in an organized group, but i pug 20/21s and i dont rely on anyone but myself

i also take as much cc/interrupt as possible

[weary saddle]

yes i know the feeling. for interrupts i talent disrupting shout cos some pulls u really cannot assume the pugs will interrupt

this week a major annoyance has been explosives which are too far away for autoattack, but too near for heroic throw. this "ugly in-between" distance is super irritating!

[vernal sky]

yeah heroic throw is kinda annoying for explosives

[void marten]

you can talent out of devastator xd

[vernal sky]

by comparison i don't mind them nearly as much on bdk because death's caress has no minimum range

[weary saddle]

its 8 yards for heroic throw

less than 8 yards but not melee range = argghhh

[analog burrow]

is there any secret tec for decoration of flame

[primal rain]

what bind do you use for stances?

[vernal sky]

usually what i do for pulls where there are 2 important mobs to interrupt (for example that double pack after hov first boss, if you have to go right and end up with 2x mystics) is skull mark one of them and deal with the other myself

most DDs will target skull targets by default

[void marten]

t

[tidal ocean]

how impactful do you think our nerf will be?

[void marten]

pins

[spring summit]

which buff should i take iwth ruby welp shell?

[sick sentinel]

Any tips for getting better SB uptime in m+? Do we sometimes “hold globals” (auto attack a global or two) to build rage? Or should every global be a key press?

[thin silo]

Pretty much every global should be an ability use
every once in a while RNG will give a dry spell, but if you're repeatedly running out of rage while Shield Slam and TC are both on cooldown you're probably doing something wrong

[sick sentinel]

Just getting into ~11s and ~365-370 ilvl

[low acorn]

nerfed on to the next flavor of the day copium

[toxic pewter]

see ya

[thin silo]

my favorite part is how they indicated community population/perception as part of the reason for the nerfs, which would suggest that they will continue to do so not until "balance" but until FotMs actively leave for a new class

[vernal sky]

other tanks are perfectly playable but protwar is by far the easiest to play atm

[tender cove]

can you reflect tempest boss? or did that change? In NO

[fallen pulsar]

You can

[low acorn]

prot warrior was never hard to play though.

[violet flume]

hmm i find prot to be quite active on the APM, druid is more laid back but a bit more buttons to press i guess

[tender cove]

What is the cast name? Not sure if the WA is broken or im just blind 😒

[fallen pulsar]

Wind burst? You need to move out of melee for the boss to cast

[tender cove]

ohhh

[void marten]

get the boss enraged, leap out, spell reflect, charge(while boss is casting wind burst)

[vernal sky]

yeah perhaps "easiest to play" wasn't the best wording but pwar can facetank a lot of abilities that other tanks can't

[low acorn]

yeah it’s a range thing you can do on your spell reflect cd for some extra dam

[void marten]

so you don't get 2nd wind burst to face

it hurts

[sick whale]

I've had had this issue while wasting too much rage on ignore pain

[fallen pulsar]

I think being good at prot requires better apm, but being average and generally surviving is easy

[tender cove]

and he wont just melee second im out of range? He'll just cast it?

[void marten]

ye

[tender cove]

cool cool ty 🙂

[vernal sky]

i've seen a few pwars facetank double axes in academy without ccing their casts, if you do that on dk you proc your cheat death instantly

[fallen pulsar]

Like you can sit in dstance, do like bare minimum button pressing for survivability/damage and still be very tanky and do comparable damage to an above average prot paladin

[void marten]

this is probably the stupidest take i've heard for a while

[low acorn]

You’re not wrong there

[void marten]

you can survive but you can't do comparable damage to an above average prot pala lmao

[low acorn]

There will still be that buffer for pwarr though.

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, I’m saying like 60th percentile prot paladin

[tender cove]

Didnt someone said recently that ppala have edge on st over warrs?

[fallen pulsar]

Not like 80-90 percentile

[low acorn]

This week +20-21 HoV my cheeks were getting clapped.

[void marten]

a shit pwar will be shit anyway, yes prot war gives more leeway to survive due to abundance of cds and sb, and yes an average prot war will survive easier and do comparable damage to other tanks; but a shit prot war will not be better than above average prot pala

[fallen pulsar]

I’m just saying you need a lot less work to get a lot more mileage out of prot war

[reef holly]

Pugging AV is so painful

[void marten]

i will start gearing bdk soon for dathea progress

[fallen pulsar]

At least on the lower end

[void marten]

i'll let you know haha

[vernal sky]

imo what makes pw so strong atm is mostly its damage mitigation, specifically physical damage mitigation

[tender cove]

Pugging is so painful* Fixed that for ya xD
I'm at 9 keys for the week, i've failed over half... And the only consistent thing in every run? well, thats me 😄

[fallen pulsar]

Like high end prot war requires high apm and some thought to maximize efficiency

But the base kit gives you a lot

[vernal sky]

if you compare it to bdk i get mega trounced sometimes as bdk by just melees

[reef holly]

Yeah but AV in particular you can’t have full wipes- and I was only one kicking the bindings 😞

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah bdk is reactive, prot war is proactive mitigation

Bdk gets slapped but then heals it all back

Prot needs to mitigate before the slap

[tender cove]

Really? Maybe i should try bdk for first time cuz im far better at reactive stuff than planning ahead 😄

[fallen pulsar]

But with dstance, it turns into a brain off situation for bad prot warriors

[inner rock]

whats with the rogues that don't kick in the low-mid tier keys

[fallen pulsar]

You need to plan ahead in that you have the resources use your heal button

[vernal sky]

few people kick in low-mid keys

not just rogues

[primal rain]

few people kick in high keys

[tender cove]

nobody kicks in keys. Nobody even does explosives

[daring marlin]

healer job

[low acorn]

Anyways, the nerf means pretty little imho.

[tender cove]

not when you have wipes over it, then it becomes a group job

[daring marlin]

fact

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah nerf doesnt mean much

[reef holly]

Yeah man

[fallen pulsar]

Probably will impact the lower end of the bell curve a lot more tbh

[daring marlin]

get a better healer then lol

Tank+healer should be able to get all explosive

[fallen pulsar]

Which if they’re targeting fotm rollers I guess it would hurt them

[vernal sky]

must be awful doing orbs as a healer, but if you don't it's even worse for you

[daring marlin]

Easiest on rdruid prolly

shaman it's easy too

[tender cove]

I mostly pug since im on degen hours. And while I can and do get most in melee, there's times where I'm kiting, watching for kicks and dont really have time or focus to tab that ranged one nobody cares about

I've watched a good 20 ppl just die to it today alone. For no reason because nobody thinks its their job xD

[low acorn]

tbh you’re a sadist if you aren’t helping with orbs as a tank. At least the ones that spawn around you

[vernal sky]

if your healer knows he should be the one primarily doing it, it's not a problem, but if he doesn't and you tell him, they usually don't take it well

[fallen pulsar]

Explosive is everybody’s job tbh, idk why anyone would say otherwise lol. The orbs don’t have a “healer or tank only” debuff on them

[low acorn]

usually the healer is exact opposite of the pack at range so. Give a ball a boop and help em out lol

[fallen pulsar]

Is it more efficient for a healer to do it? Yea. Is it worth letting one explode? No.

[inner rock]

this is a dumb conversation tbh. The explosives are up long enough that if one has less than 2 seconds on a cast, its literally everyones job to kill it. its such a meaningless dps impact, especially considering its a tyrr week.

[void marten]

spec out of devastator and devastate every explosive

ez

[inner rock]

theres literally no reason for people to be tunneling trash

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah exactly

[vernal sky]

doing 1 orb is not a big deal but running around a big pack and doing orbs every gcd will mean an afk dps

meaning the pack lives an hour

[tender cove]

A full reset or a dps dead means it takes even longer

[fallen pulsar]

Thats why its a group job in big pulls lol, if everyone tab targeted an explosive for one gcd, thats no big deal

Hardly a loss, and a lot less stress for the healer potentially

[vernal sky]

yeah sure in an emergency situation everyone should contribute

but overall you don't want your dd's focusing on it

[fallen pulsar]

Agreed, but unless you’re only pulling 3 mobs at a time, there will be times with tons of explosives for certain pulls

[tender cove]

Why? Healer has to keep everyone alive during bigger pulls. I have to tank, interupt, stun, move out of sanguine and survive

what is dps even doing on trash 99% of the time?

[vernal sky]

killing mobs

[inner rock]

its not like anyone should have to focus it

but if one spawns next to you, you have to tab it

[void marten]

try me

i want legion affli back

definitive solution to the explosives

[vernal sky]

you kinda have to pull big to time 20s to maximize the efficiency of people's cooldowns

[low acorn]

if I tab it how will I press ignore pain

[inner rock]

you can't pull big and expect a healer to get everyone rofl

[vernal sky]

in that kind of situation it's in the group's best interest to have the healer deal with the orbs

just because you pull big doesn't mean your entire group should get blasted

[inner rock]

it has nothing to do with damage intake

and everything to do with 4 orbs spawning at the same time

[main jewel]

If we could target explosives with ww

It would be so easy

Even if we have to actually click it

[vernal sky]

if the healer doesn't have to heal then his gcd's are worth less than anyone else's

by that logic again it should be him doing orbs

[tender cove]

i honestly think every spell should work if we have it targetted, even tclap and rev

[sharp lake]

I have belt, neck, shield, and sword, what should I upgrade to 418 first... shield or sword?

[main jewel]

Impending Victory reset on explosives when

[main jewel]

Shield

[sharp lake]

ty

[slim dove]

just click the fucking thing and either auto attack it, slam it, or shield slam it

stop being selfish retards

[main jewel]

Lol why the R word

[inner rock]

its tough but fair

[fallen pulsar]

When 4-5 orbs spawn at the same time your healer does not have enough time to gcd every single one

Even if he stops doing anything else to solely focus the orbs

[main jewel]

Yeah on big packs everyone should help

Like, AA

Why the hell wouldn't you help

[vernal sky]

i'm not saying everyone should completely ignore orbs

[slim dove]

because you are two things if you ignore explosive orbs because iTs thE HeAlErS jOb!1!

1. selfish

and 2. retarded.

[wanton shale]

if we use ravager basically on CD, does the +2 sec and 20% dmg boost from Dance of Death potentially make it do more overall dmg than taking shield charge?

[potent anvil]

My warrior is 401. Good push today

[tender cove]

you dont get an extra tick afaik

[blissful nebula]

anyone have the simbot code for a 418 1hand weap? im trying to test out smf buffs and need a weap to compare

[wanton shale]

wth, 2 extra secs of ravager doesn't get an extra hit?

[tender cove]

not unless it changed or i missunderstod it when i asked about it

[main jewel]

Uh, does smf work for Prot or you're just in the wrong channel

[fallen pulsar]

I think on high keys damage on the group is happening enough to make healers actually need to heal. Especially since theres lots of unavoidable damage in many of the DF dungeons. They will still be healing and also needing to help with orbs. Which reduces their ability to just solely focus on orbs. Like, I’d say the healers arent needing to heal anything bit is much more likely on lower keys.

[vernal sky]

it's like when ranged are complete tourists in keys because they think the tank and melees should be the ones ccing

[blissful nebula]

well more prot warriors have 1handed weaps just looking for the code lol thought this would be easier

[main jewel]

Rangeds not using interrupt makes me so salty, mother fuckers who don't spec into interrupt for a m+ ffs

[vernal sky]

makes them look like dicks when they say/do it but melees are much better suited

yeah not taking an interrupt is too much lol

[fallen pulsar]

Moonkin constant AoE interrupt is so based, idk why I dont get more boomies in my groups

It’s broken for certain pulls

[sick tartan]

Interrupts? I think you mean blame healer when I die- All Ranged DPS

[inner rock]

i'm tempted to make an addon that just spams groups # of interrupts after every pull

[wanton shale]

they have silence beam, typhoon, bear disorient, and potentially tauren stomp 4 AE interrupts?

[fallen pulsar]

Idk I wish interrupt counter would count attempted interrupts, sometimes people just overlap on the same interrupt

[vernal sky]

there's a ton of cc-able abilities that are super quick to cast (for example Void Claw in TJS), ranged are mega useless for that kind of stuff

cause their cc is either casted or has travel time (mortal coil)

[fallen pulsar]

I mean, ranged usually have a lot of utility beyond just interrupts/quick cc

That melee dont normally get access to, but depends on the spec tbh

It also just requires them to remember they have it

[vernal sky]

imo ranged is super useless now

they're just here to do damage

melees have a lot more potential even if most of them won't use it

[grand knot]

does shield blocks remaining duration stack a certain % if you recast? kinda like how feral bleeds do

[main jewel]

But shit they do a lot of damage

I had an arcane mage pull 500k dps at the end of first pull of HoV 22 today

[fallen pulsar]

I disagree, I honestly think certain ranged specs bring a lot to the group in terms of utility

[main jewel]

I was like gee look at me I'm going for 350k on burst and then that dude just recked me lol

[tender cove]

stacks full duration

[fallen pulsar]

That most melee classes can’t offer as a single melee spec

[main jewel]

It's just that having double ranged fucks the melees because of thundering I feel

So you just get a ranged spot in your group

Thundering is such a shit affix ffs

[vernal sky]

double ranged also means low cc and long cooldown interrupts

[fallen pulsar]

I’d take a boomie, arcane, spriest, demo lock, or ele sham over a 3rd melee

[vernal sky]

both of which are bad

[main jewel]

Ele sham feels pretty bad rn

Besides enhancement both resto and ele are kinda meh

[fallen pulsar]

I’m mainly biased from the few good ones I’ve been with

[tender cove]

if i invite shamy and he's ele? he's getting kicked for trolling

[fallen pulsar]

But hopefully these buffs will put them generally in good spot overall

Their utility is really nice

[main jewel]

I remember in the druid discord they told feral people to cosplay as boomy till key stars ROFLMAO

[vernal sky]

as a general rule i try to avoid squishy classes like hunter and shaman

[main jewel]

From what I understand one of the huge problems with the spec is that it has HUGE variance

[vernal sky]

no point inviting a likely floor inspector over an actually tanky class that's gonna do the same dps

[tender cove]

ive had that happen more than once during sl

[main jewel]

Heh idk who are you but i play fury warrior and for me it's impossible to get invited for keys

2600 Io and I don't get invited into 18s and 19s lol

[ebon wren]

hey guys since we're now nerfed what tank you switching to?

[fallen pulsar]

Prot warrior

[round cliff]

i had a shammy friend be turned down cuz he wasnt ele

[tender cove]

my 2nd warrior alt

[main jewel]

Brewmaster pumps I had a brewmaster do 80k overall in a NO

[vernal sky]

dw i get declined on most groups despite having 2.6 and being ww monk

[ebon wren]

Maybe I'll just turn on defensive stance now

[vernal sky]

2.7 even

but tbh fury warrior is kinda bad imo

not damage wise but

it's a melee with shitty cc

[tender cove]

that or just go back to your main?

[fallen pulsar]

I think fury in fort week is much more valuable than in tyrannical tbh

They have great AoE burst

But their single target is pretty meh

[vernal sky]

also with prot warriors everywhere that pushes down the value of fury even more

[fallen pulsar]

Yeah that too