protection

[solemn current]

Yea I would just do Dorki's W key route but I've actually had people leave when I tell them I didn't plan on doing the jump down skip. I'd rather just do what people are used to.

[toxic pewter]

Yah if anyone has issue with route I exit the group

[distant crystal]

it's a lot easier with skipping

[toxic pewter]

Cuz it’s a headache anyway

[spring holly]

jump down skip at the very beginning?

[solemn current]

na the ring skip

[sick sentinel]

imagine playing a dog when you can have this outlook

[distant crystal]

lookin ridiculous

[toxic pewter]

Honestly find blood elves boring

[spring holly]

oh ok yeah that's more annoying just press w

[sick sentinel]

looking fire pls

best set in game

[toxic pewter]

The nerfs make the trash a lot easier on the ring

[uneven mason]

That's the screenshot of the dog?

[sick sentinel]

yea i generally do the rings now

[toxic pewter]

Skipping in a pug just a recipe for disaster in my opinion

[sick sentinel]

i skip couple of frogs on sanguine

no dude

[gloomy lintel]

how do you deal with explosives? i find using my usual rotation takes too long to kill them, is there some macro or sth that people use? 🙂

[sick sentinel]

anything over 20 youre fine

people generally know the common skips

[toxic pewter]

Yeah true I guess people more knowledgeable

[sick sentinel]

and have done it multiple times

[south zealot]

auto attack heroic throw or shield slam all worn fine

[spring holly]

@sick sentinel you skip frogs for tactical reasons, I skip frogs because my blind ass always misses one or two. We are not the same.

[sick sentinel]

I will wipe the fucking team if they expect me to blow shield slam on orbs

no way lol

is horn of valor any good for prot?

[cinder storm]

its ok

[sick sentinel]

i use it, but i am only 1660 io

so take it for what it is

[lusty narwhal]

im currently a tauren but really wanna swap to zandalari because they look way cooler as warriors imo and the crit proc can be nice, but i feel like its not worth losing the aoe stun/ton of hp

[sick sentinel]

my horn of valor, turns me into actual valarjar

[uneven mason]

It's not a ton of hp

[lusty narwhal]

@uneven mason hp calculates so weird, i just put 255 stam on my chest and gained like 8k hp

[uneven mason]

Tauren racial only impacts base hp

[amber siren]

Enchants interact with all your other stats, the tauren HP buff is a static amount off base HP

[uneven mason]

Like naked hp

[amber siren]

So very little in practice

[lusty narwhal]

ohhhhhhhhhh

so is that stam like 1 stam = 100h?

[strong forum]

It's not an additional multiplier

[lusty narwhal]

hp*

[sick sentinel]

some day in the future of dragon flight i wont have to pay basically anything for repairs

[lusty narwhal]

so iuts like 3500 hp

for tauren

3400~

[uneven mason]

Repairs are for classes that can die

[toxic pewter]

Anyone know how much the hp regeneration amount is out of combat. Trying to figure out how much regen my Troll racial does in combat

[south zealot]

?

lol

[sick sentinel]

im just gunna make a macro that goes something like "use master hammer @shield, use master hammer at (armor piece), repeat x ones i can do )

[lusty narwhal]

i really wanna go zandalari because i think it looks the coolest but fuck vulpira racials seem crazy good

[uneven mason]

Vukpera looks good on logwy

[sick sentinel]

kultiran and mechagnome if you are alliance and have a dedicated friend for longhaul

giga stonks for production profession team

[lusty narwhal]

@uneven mason looks good on what?

[uneven mason]

Logs

The racial

[lusty narwhal]

yea the dmg/healing racial and the 5% hp reduction on hit per mob racial

in m+

seems really good

[uneven mason]

But it's pretty low impact in practice, sorry typing on phone with a broken hand

[lusty narwhal]

yea ill prob just do zand fk it

[gleaming cloak]

Vulpera warrior here and it's 10/10. Nose for trouble is absolutely amazing. Nice QoL with return to camp too and the self heal from the bag if needed

[uneven mason]

In the long haul the best races are dwarf or female orc

[sick sentinel]

fangs adornment dmg from tjs 11

[lusty narwhal]

orc is just for the melee dmg?

[sick sentinel]

orc is AP

last i knew

[uneven mason]

Bro sup with that Revenge dam

[sick sentinel]

i dunno lol, i have to hit it more

[uneven mason]

Because lady orc got the best body

And dwarf because they racial can save your ass

No other racial touches it

[lusty salmon]

yo dudes, does higher ilvl help with SB and IP uptime? currently at 357 ilvl and in dungeons can only maintain about 72% uptime. Speaking of which im also rage starved on bosses like bird in academy.. does that get fixed too?

[uneven mason]

Run hr not itf

Solved

[lusty salmon]

but muh streamers

[urban bane]

femme orc frame looks more like a human than the in-game humans do

[uneven mason]

You're probably running barbaric training as well, don't

[spice anchor]

In m+ you generally want Dwarf or dark iron dwarf.

[sick sentinel]

i mean, i came in 3rd place dps, we timed the key 2 chest

had 2 WW's and a dh for dps

[uneven mason]

So more haste can help, but we can maintain 100% uptime in greens

[sick sentinel]

both the WW's beat me 42k dps for them about equal

[uneven mason]

Chances are, you're running bt which leads to frequent droughts of rage because it's a bad talent, and itf which requires 36%ish unbuffed haste and 5 stacks to beat hr for sb uptime

[strong forum]

Well you can't beat HR uptime, but it'll be almost seamless at that point

[sick sentinel]

barbaric training? no, if so

[lusty salmon]

I really dont understand how. 2 charges of SB @ 15 sec cd and shield charge on a 45 sec cd - HR is only adding like 1-2 seconds per charge

[strong forum]

HR adds 1sec everytime you shield slam my guy

Not just once

[uneven mason]

Focus on shield slam then thunderclaps, only revenge when neither is available

[rancid ember]

^

[strong forum]

Every, single, time

[sick sentinel]

my typical build is don't take thunderlords, take battering ram, and then spell blokc and heavy reprecussions

[strong forum]

You hit about 15-17 shield slams per minute

[uneven mason]

You hammer ss

[lusty salmon]

yea I know but im not getting a plethora of extra slams

[strong forum]

That's a whole lot of extra uptime

[uneven mason]

What build are you using

[potent anvil]

I'm 396 ilvl on my warr now

[urban bane]

[charred ivy]

do any1 know if we get more sparks in loong run? heard some ppl say eventually ye as can make toys etc with them

[lusty grotto]

[uneven mason]

Holycrap it's

[strong forum]

Random drops

It'll be like legiondaries

[lusty salmon]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAVBUUUkRVARpFRRBBNVUVEVFQlUYVUQCQE

[strong forum]

Just a very low drop chance from playing the game

On average 1 every 2 weeks

[charred ivy]

ah fair enough thats not so bad

[urban bane]

does that mean you're rescinding the dark arts?

[strong forum]

If you can't get 100% uptime on SB with this idk what you're pressing, but it's not shield slam

[uneven mason]

Shouldn't be having any rage issues, maybe overdumping IP or skipping ss resets

[strong forum]

Also stop using bloodborne

[uneven mason]

Always prio ss

[strong forum]

And get tough as nails and punish instead

[lusty salmon]

im getting arthritis playing this damn spec

[strong forum]

Way more dmg

[potent anvil]

DK is pretty much waiting on vault upgrades, so gearing warr now

[urban bane]

[lusty salmon]

cool ty Ill try those

[sick sentinel]

dont let anyone tell you otherwise, correctly played and supported dk is fucking insane

i know this with every fibre of my being

they are not infallible gods, but they come damn close

they got shit dps, but they they can pull so much more mobs at once, its nuts

[dapper kayak]

Why do I see none of the top prot warriors using the Lariat? Is it not beneficial for them to use?

[fiery wasp]

hey guys, is there any WA to help with the line in mythic terros?

[south zealot]

there’s an awakened earth weak aura

splits half left half right

[fiery wasp]

not that

mythic we do only 1 line

[south zealot]

what wa do you want then

[sturdy locust]

Is it decent enough to craft Allied Wristguards of Companionship as prot? It's listed as #2 option for Fury and since i'm also playing Fury it would be nice to have something thats good for both 😄

[fiery wasp]

just to help making so i dont miss a pillar xD

[south zealot]

its fine

go for it

[sturdy locust]

Allright 😄

[sick sentinel]

my tuskarr rep is inexecusable

[lusty salmon]

how important is IP uptime? is fishing for SB procs w/ revenge better than dumping it in IP?

[mighty valley]

lariat is basically the same ~1% gain as any other embellishment for us

the only one that stands out from the crowd is the frostfire belt in case you get the diurna's chosen ring

[deft mortar]

lmaoo

[sick sentinel]

its important if you need it to live and you are taking damage

[deft mortar]

Did 74k overall DPS in Algeth'ar 7

[opal flame]

just kite

[lofty widget]

just parry

[strong forum]

Pwar is the best necrotic tank tho lol

[uneven mason]

Who needs healing when damage goes down to zero?

[strong forum]

Always was, other than SL s3/s4

[uneven mason]

I remember sl S1 just legitimately necrotic didn't feel like an affix

[strong forum]

After the nerfs necrotic didn't exist for pwar

[crimson furnace]

guys, what is your Vanguard Determination uptime at the end of a key?

[strong forum]

85-95%

[crimson furnace]

i see, thank you!

[uneven mason]

2% per stack...so I can take 49 instead of 32 ok...

[south zealot]

blood dk

prot warrior was so good in s3 and 4 as well

just bdk was immune to damage

[lusty tiger]

Parry

AMS

deathstrikeeeeee

Zzz falling asleep thinking about it

[delicate badge]

anyone got a like a pure damage spec for world quests? kind of a dumb question I know but I want a good one

[crimson furnace]

i just noticed: Nomeratur @ Kazzak (EU)

kazzak

[uneven mason]

[old lantern]

Do you guys take tough as nails or spell block usually?

[jagged pier]

dungeon dependent

[vital glade]

which dungeons would be good to switch that around on?

ok, thanks

[sick sentinel]

honestly at this point i run most dungeon with spell block

maybe except hov and cos

[pallid quiver]

i'll have you know you started to feel it once you've been in a pack for like 4 minutes because your DPS are doing healer damage

pug life is pain

[severe vessel]

fresh nerfs https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-january-24/1493634

Protection

• Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
• Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
• Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).

[viral moth]

How bad are they?

[vapid tundra]

13% block value

[viral moth]

Will I still be unkillable then?

[sick sentinel]

Protection
Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).
Developers’ notes: Protection Warriors are currently dominating tank populations. While we do want all tanks to feel powerful, our data and overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack. We’re making some small talent adjustments that are overbudget to help address this.

what brace for impact again, probably ss dmg related

[lone eagle]

Nerfs are a wrist slap

[sick sentinel]

so its we lose 10% dmg on SS at max stacks..... oh no....

[kind rapids]

I haven't timed a key in the last 10 keys

[lone eagle]

BV nerf is the only real one

[dire matrix]

DANGER DANGER

[kind rapids]

Depletes left right and center

[sick sentinel]

and we take SLIGHTLY more dmg from blocking

[potent anvil]

Do we use shocking disclosure or str pots for m+?

[dire matrix]

WERE DOOMED

[lone eagle]

SS damage is untouched

[sick sentinel]

brace is SS dmg

[dire matrix]

shocking on mass aoe is ok

str is better if not

[sick sentinel]

25% now, 15% after

[lone eagle]

On the block.

They didn't touch the SS dam amp

[severe vessel]

didn't nerf the damage buff, just the block % buff

[sick sentinel]

oh hmmm, there is 2 parts to this talent

[dire matrix]

its over were doomed

😭

[severe vessel]

honestly just seems like they want us to take a little more damage throughout, not the end of the world

thought it would be worse 🤷‍♂️

[reef haven]

as if ignore pain shield amount was ever an issue

[gritty swallow]

doomer season

everyone fotm swap to something else

[azure light]

xd

[dire matrix]

time to reroll prot pala everyone

quick

[gritty swallow]

hurry hurry the clock is ticking

[azure light]

its not even that huge nerf, lets not be like boomkins, we still gonna pump through keys >:)

[gritty swallow]

shhhhhhhh

[reef haven]

they literally nerfed the wrong thing

[sly shadow]

im a guardian druid main i just wanted to come see if yall was cryin about it

[azure light]

oh yea mb, were fucing doomed

[reef haven]

LULW

[grave flower]

Shhhh

[gritty swallow]

they certainly didnt nerf our damage lmao

[sly shadow]

but no one is

[azure light]

KEKW

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743908889862602854/1058011756389212200/image0.gif

[grave flower]

These nerfs are the end of the world. We need to be vocal.

[weary python]

Already have one decently geared. If you're not streets ahead you're streets behind.

[lusty salmon]

i get carpel tunnel from this spec anyway- it is doomed

[grave flower]

https://tenor.com/view/streetsahead-community-piercehawthorn-gif-20747193

[dire matrix]

alsoa joke

[stable valve]

16%

[sick sentinel]

have i truly become a protection warrior?

[azure light]

Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).

[low kindle]

Does thunderclap have different spell IDs for arms and prot? Wonder if they will also buff prot thunderclap by 30% by mistake lol.

[dire matrix]

only the 10th person to post that

😄

[azure light]

Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[sick sentinel]

Then look me in the eyes when you do it. Tell my maxie, that I love him.

[grave flower]

Brace for Impact now increases block value by 3% (was 5% per stack).
Brutal Vitality now causes 10% of the damage you deal to add to your Ignore Pain (was 15%).
Shield Specialization now increases block value by 12% per rank (was 15%).

11th

[stable valve]

wouldn't be the first or last time we got nerfed/buffed from an arms change

[grave flower]

To answer your question, yes they have different spell IDs.

[tawny maple]

I guess its time to reroll to DK

[azure light]

why? healer finally can heal u a little bit perhaps?

[grave flower]

The real nerf is swapping classes

[placid vale]

Oh nooooes, we get a little less block value and what...5% less IP?

[azure light]

REAL

[placid vale]

yeah, we'll survive...

[viral moth]

just play fueled by violence now then?

[azure light]

yea i don't think its too bad at all, just having to actually play the game a little more

[patent osprey]

Im swapping bdk

[tawny maple]

Just the better class now

[grave flower]

Lol

[dire matrix]

really dont think these nerfs are the end of the world

[pastel dew]

So... with the BV nerf, is FbV even remotely suitable as an option now or is BV still the go to?

[dire matrix]

idk

[azure light]

huge cap XD

[jagged pier]

No

[tawny maple]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-giggles-peepogiggles-gif-21481319

@strong forum

[pastel dew]

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-anime-take-a-bow-adieu-gentle-sir-gif-5350249

[dire matrix]

i wont even notice the bsv nerf

[jagged pier]

Swap bdk or monk btw

[stable valve]

based

[tawny maple]

TRUE

[dire matrix]

cuz im equiupping 4 set next week

LOL

[placid vale]

monk? why xD

[jagged pier]

Its busted as fuck

Literally being slept on

[azure light]

monk? O_O

[tawny maple]

Yeah BDK best class

[placid vale]

as long as u dont get globalled, yeah

[dire matrix]

got friends playing monk

they hate it idk

[azure light]

if monk is good, then its really getting slept on yea.. cause everyone is uber dooming on it always

[pastel dew]

It was the greatest con of the expansion launch. Monks being believed to be the worst class.

🤣

[azure light]

i mean, boomkins were up there as usual

[viral moth]

bm monk is getting omegabuffed

[jagged pier]

Monks are literally one of the best tanks they do more aoe/ the same damage as prot

And with an evoker healer they are imortal

[azure light]

but can they survive like prot warriors?

[jagged pier]

In raid they are actually better one the last 2 bosses than warrior as well

Yes

[azure light]

interesting

[jagged pier]

They can survive very well

[azure light]

didnt even bother leveling my monk, cause it was getting so shit on (the spec, not my monk)

[placid vale]

IF you can play it at a very good level, yes, it is good

[lone eagle]

Brew ST is lower

[placid vale]

And that's a very big IF

[ebon wren]

I took 0 damage already, so 15% more damage of 0... um, I think is still 0.

[lone eagle]

Their AoE is nuts though

[zealous willow]

Why bdk is good?

[azure light]

XD

[proven flax]

I take it this is 3% per stack now and not 3% overall?

[lone eagle]

2% nerf per stack, 10% total

[placid vale]

Prot is way ahead defensively, these nerfs will do nothing

[lone eagle]

25 > 15

And yeah the nerf is very minor

[jagged pier]

Warrior was also being shit on all of SLs and was the second best tank S3 and S4

[azure light]

they remove 2% from each stack, so old would be 10%. new is 6%

[next burrow]

for real?

[azure light]

i stopped playing S3 so wouldnt know XD

Played mostly paladin through SL

[proven flax]

tbh swapping to fuelled by vengeance might be in order but the block value doesn't hurt that badly, I took barely any physical damage anyway

[lone eagle]

Tbf pwar was a bit harder to execute s3/s4

Than BDK

[jagged pier]

Nope

[proven flax]

*violence, my bad spelt the talent wrong

[jagged pier]

Yes but its the same premise with monk harder to pull off just as good if not better in some cases

[lone eagle]

Reprisal was decently complex

[placid vale]

Btw, is Brutal Vitality still bugged?

[lone eagle]

Yes still bugged

[proud patrol]

whats bugged about it?

[placid vale]

Damn...they wont fix it

[lone eagle]

Unless it gets fixed randomly

[placid vale]

If IP gets capped, it stops working

[sterile bough]

have they anyhow repsponded to last boss on NO hitting twice?

[sick sentinel]

its supposed to hit twice

rn from these 2 nerfed talent you get 55% extra block value, after the nerf its 39%?

is that what this is

the nerf

[sterile bough]

I mean the spear

[proud patrol]

so should i let ip run out when its capped?

[sick sentinel]

yes its supposed to hit twice read dung journal

[reef holly]

K guys- with these new nerfs what is the new BIS tank class?

[placid vale]

Not sure, I dont check IP that often

Warrior?

[jagged pier]

Bdk or monk

[jagged pier]

They low key already were

[reef holly]

Jk btw prot war 4 life

[sick sentinel]

not this one

[sterile bough]

ye so its bugged

also discovered another one

[stable valve]

that's the puddle on the ground right?

[sterile bough]

thats the thing when he marks 5 players

[stable valve]

seems like you got hit by someone else's too

[sterile bough]

acutally might be true

[uncut sky]

It targeted him

I think if you are the target you get hit twice

[ripe cave]

Could be a overlap with another player.

If the spear targets you it hits you twice.

[sterile bough]

but the spaer alaywas targets u

[uncut sky]

It targets one person

[sterile bough]

ye

[glad ginkgo]

yo boys im late to the party . do we need to reroll out of prot or we still the best tank ?

[sterile bough]

stay prot

[jagged pier]

Reroll

We dogshit

[placid vale]

Worst tank of the pack now

[cosmic fractal]

Roll monk

[ocean yoke]

They killed it dead

[slim dove]

Don't scare the dummies

[jagged pier]

Monk or bdk

Reroll

[jagged pier]

Thats the point

[slim dove]

[marsh forge]

Nah u wrong jakey

[jagged pier]

And if we scream and shout enough like boomkins

We get buffs

[cosmic fractal]

😄

[marsh forge]

It's warlock since they fixed demonic sac

[slim dove]

Truuu

[cosmic fractal]

Oh, give prot starfall

[oblique harbor]

this nerf on warrior tank, is huge? what is better to play on next week? warrior tank or Brewmaster monk?

[coarse flower]

Prot paladin

[stable valve]

There's no false scare! Pwar is garbo now. That's why I have all takes ready to go at 424 ilvl to swap because I was prepared 🙂

[placid vale]

Bear

[jagged pier]

Brew or bdk

[lavish oracle]

Yes, yes, keep this up

we'll convince everyone that we're not still broken

[placid vale]

Brew is fucked by community perception and 90% of the spec players playing like shit

[marsh forge]

Warlocks baby

[oblique harbor]

thats true

[stable valve]

we're broken in a bad way now 😢

[placid vale]

I hope you're not pugging if u play Brew xD

[stable valve]

tbh arms or fury is tankier now

[oblique harbor]

i have group

i just need decide my tank

[placid vale]

I dont, hence i dont play brew.

[lavish oracle]

Mhm, mhm, we get globalled now, please mr. Blizzard, buff our damage by 15% and we'll call it even

[oblique harbor]

i have 4 tanks to play, guardian, prot war,dh tank and brewmaster

with this changes, idk what tank i will choose

[placid vale]

xD

[opal spruce]

Developers’ notes: Protection Warriors are currently dominating tank populations. While we do want all tanks to feel powerful, our data and overall perceptions of tanks put Protection Warriors ahead of the pack. We’re making some small talent adjustments that are overbudget to help address this.

[placid vale]

This changes nothing tbh

[opal spruce]

Thats because almost all warriors play Prot instead of Arms and Fury

[placid vale]

We take a liiiitle more dmg, when before we took the least of all tanks

[sick sentinel]

its over boys

[placid vale]

So...yeah

[indigo knot]

But does it change the BV pick to FbV?

[sick sentinel]

we had a good run

delete toons now

[orchid frigate]

nice when BDK got to dominate for so long. god forbid that prot would stay strong for longer than a couple of months

[jagged pier]

Yes funny how devs only care when its prot not when bdk dominates for 2 season in row

[placid vale]

Its still strong

[drifting needle]

This

[cosmic fractal]

Question, with 4p, I guess its intentional that it does not refresh the IP duration, even though it can start one?

[warm plinth]

Nah, BrV will still be better.

[prisma crane]

thats honestly how i feel, i hate it

[warm plinth]

Yes, it's intentional.

[left bloom]

DK dominates for every season known to man, blizzard sleeps

[ebon wren]

To be fair they gave up on shadowlands after season 1

[flint grove]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[agile elbow]

Bring the kite meta back

🙃

[flint grove]

i've reported this statement to the police

[agile elbow]

Loooool

[placid vale]

The only difference is tuesday we will get 5% more physical dmg...so 0x5% is 0

[jagged pier]

No we dooming

Your getting it wrong

[coarse flower]

What were they meant to nerf lol

[placid vale]

I only doom in Monk discord

[coarse flower]

Phys nerf makes slot of sense

[jagged pier]

Why there fucking busted

Literally slept on like prot last expansion

[placid vale]

If you play with a group. GL pugging.

[warm plinth]

Who is slept on Jakey

[flint grove]

brew tank

[coarse flower]

Why bring prot war last season when bdk did everything better with brez and more utility

[sick sentinel]

motherfuckin dooooommmmm

[toxic pewter]

Good I’m ready for all the fotmers to leave my websight anyway

[bronze pasture]

is prot warr the easiest tank to survive jade serpent boss?

[warm plinth]

Oh

[jagged pier]

No

[lone eagle]

BDK is

[warm plinth]

Nah, BDK probably

Instantly remove the absorb

[bronze pasture]

aha k

[jagged pier]

Bdk for sure

[lone eagle]

Followed by well played VDH

[ebon wren]

prot paladin. doesn't even have to kite last trash pack.

[jagged pier]

Any tank but us does that boss better

[silent comet]

Guardian druids :sadbear:

[sick sentinel]

whatever you are good at playing really

[toxic pewter]

Prot warr prob toward the bottom for that boss

[coarse flower]

Warriors do that pack faster tbf

[sick sentinel]

nothings going to change, we are still overpowered

[echo scarab]

sad bear noises

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

idk guardian has a lot of defensives and a huge self heal. They probably do alright

[lone eagle]

guardian is good at that boss

[sick sentinel]

they have to do more nerfs in other places if they want to kill prot again

[marsh forge]

Don tlie to the people, warlock is now meta

[jagged pier]

Next patch guardian gunna be healing mobs

[lone eagle]

Incarn covers 60% of the phase and just let's you spam FR

[ebon wren]

pally can just immune lol, and follow up with 4 defensive cooldowns

[silent comet]

Healing mobs and killing ourselves, if lunar beam actually DID SOMETHING

[sick sentinel]

warlock has healthstones and brez, already forever S+ tier

[bronze pasture]

well I just did TJS 20 with a prot pally and he was chain dying on jade serpent and we disbanded

[ripe tide]

prot slowly getting nerfed into the ground, just wait for more nerfs over the next few months...

[sick sentinel]

i ALWAYS invite warlock

[flint grove]

why is everyone going on like their house is burning down

[jagged pier]

Yep reroll now

[sick sentinel]

and if i don't i try to get mage so between combat regen is free

[jagged pier]

It might they might fix it in 10.2

[frank hemlock]

because they killed warriorman

[median tulip]

Hopefully all the FotM rerollers will go away now we're being nerfed

[jagged pier]

Becuase i dunno

[cinder storm]

SL pwar discord was better, change my mind

[ripe tide]

i want to become a FotM reroller

[jagged pier]

Look should they have byffed the other tanks like bear and veng probably

[frank hemlock]

go brew no regrats

[jagged pier]

But oh well

[coarse flower]

Make a prot pally

[warm plinth]

The fact that veng hasn't been touched in forever is sadly hilarious

[drifting lotus]

if you were going to pick from Booming Voice or Violent Outburst, which would you rather have?

[vapid mountain]

Where were you when prot warrior was kill?

I was sat at home watching nerftank stream when phone ring and friend say Prot warr is kill

[frank hemlock]

thats assuming blizzard would actually know how to balance

[warm plinth]

Both. They are not talents you should have to pick between.

[jagged pier]

That was good balancing for us at least

[slender dust]

didnt they buff armor from demon spikes?

[jagged pier]

Like they didnt fuck it up

[median tulip]

I'm kinda tired of being told that I have to have 30% Versa by people who never touched Warrior before December

[warm plinth]

Yeah let me tell you how insignificant that was lol

[marsh forge]

Why do you think we got no evoker tank and all the lore in quests says they stuck underground lol

[frank hemlock]

yea, it was definetelly pretty ok, but sad thing is it wont stop there probably

[slender dust]

i mean sure, but you cant they that he wasnt touched since ages KEKW

[frank hemlock]

and they wont buff other tanks to actually balance shit either

[warm plinth]

Oh are we doomsaying already?

[slender dust]

yes

we bdk mains now

[drifting lotus]

I was thinking of picking up Storm of Steel in place of one of them

[stoic smelt]

warriors need even more nerfs

[coarse flower]

They literally are about to though

Wtf am I reading

[jagged pier]

How do u know ppl are only just starting to gear other tanks and have found the bdk and monk both are busted (which ive been saying for months anyway)

Pala will follow that

[proven flax]

We're probably looking at 6-7% more physical damage taken at best

[frank hemlock]

no evoker tank is fine, but they shoulda made it like red mage in FFXIV, having a blue and red mana bar that fills when you use blue and red spells and you spend it going into melee and doing some earth shit while being a 40yards caster

[jagged pier]

Then if the rework for bear actually works might be pretty good

Veng well thats veng

We will have to see

[coarse flower]

Nah bear still dumpster tier

[marsh forge]

Nah bear sucks. More after rework lol

[jagged pier]

Because its all bugged

How about we actually let bliz fix stuff

[frank hemlock]

what i mean is they're not trying to bring tanks in line by buffing tanks enough, since bear rework sucks at least for now and brew is still garbage

[jagged pier]

Before judging

Brew ismt garbagr

Brew is slept on

[ripe tide]

they won't ever nerf Veng cause Naowh loves it and they want Echo to dominate MDI

[jagged pier]

Omega slept on

[frank hemlock]

compared to prot it does everything worse tho

[marsh forge]

Yeah nah brew and pally are pretty insane slept on atm

[warm plinth]

Vengeance doesn't need nerfs lol

[jagged pier]

No

[warm plinth]

Why would you think it did

[sleek rock]

Got haste vers bracers with a socket, however it's going to require 2000 valor to upgrade all the way, is it worth it?

[jagged pier]

No

[coarse flower]

Brew is good at low keys and pumping big damage in keys - it has its niche, they’re not going to buff it without overturning the spec. You can’t expect them to balance all the tanks for all types of content

[urban portal]

the peak was yogi vod reviews and codex discussions

[ripe tide]

when the hell are they going to remove valor cap this season!!

[prisma crane]

on an unrelated note, draconid playable race when?

[frank hemlock]

i mean, should they balance tanks for easy content tho?

just let them blast easy content, whatever lmao

[cinder storm]

King thump and always posting bait were nice discussion starters

[jagged pier]

They wont

[ripe tide]

they should!

[urban portal]

i dont remember thump

[cinder storm]

thwump?

missing a letter placement probably

[jagged pier]

Its supposed to be a finite resource

[ripe tide]

750 is miniscule

[sharp abyss]

im not asking this to reroll but im looking for a alt tank to play which of the other ones do people recommend playing for fun

[jagged pier]

Monk

[cosmic fractal]

If it was uncapped, we would have Legion maw runs all over again

[jagged pier]

Pala

[frank hemlock]

ddnt they announce the valor cap was getting removed with catalyst or am i going crazy?

[stiff gate]

Brew is really fun, lots of stuff to do

[stoic smelt]

pala is fun if u dont mind placing concesncration 24/7

[jagged pier]

I heard that was fake blue post

[marsh forge]

Warlock

[warm plinth]

Asking the important questions

[cinder storm]

I second Pala, they seem strong

[frank hemlock]

huh

[warm plinth]

That post was fake

[jagged pier]

Ye

[frank hemlock]

we cant have nice things can we

[foggy drift]

How bad is the prot nerf ?

[coarse flower]

Tbf if you’re not playing casually this nerf literally doesn’t matter - just reroll if the spec is bin and move on; they should balance around 99% of the player base

[cinder storm]

super bad, reroll now

[sharp abyss]

i was thinking monk or pala anyways because i enjoy the look of their spells

[oblique harbor]

Guys, BREW or WAR TANK? what is the best?

[jagged pier]

Huge reroll

[urban bane]

oh no i guess we're unplayable now

[cinder storm]

brew, war sucks, dont play it

cancel sub

[jagged pier]

They are the same

[vapid mountain]

pretty much 179% increased in damage taken after next reset

[jagged pier]

Unless your tanking brood and raz mythic then brew is better

[orchid frigate]

" We’re making some small talent adjustments that are overbudget to help address this."

[oblique harbor]

is for m+

[jagged pier]

They are the same

[frank hemlock]

the nerf doesnt matter really in hard content either, unless really, really high keys. and even if it did, its still the best tank for that content probably

[foggy drift]

Are people meeming

[ripe tide]

basically, if you could do a +20 this week, next week you can only do a +13

[jagged pier]

No

Yep

[prisma crane]

im not sure ppl understand the impact of the block value nerf, i think it's going to matter more than ppl think

we're not dead from it, but it's not nothing

[jagged pier]

Its 6%

[hardy magnet]

What talent would you give up if you needed x2 SW?

[jagged pier]

I mean u should always be running that choice node

So u would give up the other choice

[coarse flower]

I’m not talking about this nerf in particular , I’m talking in general - most sweaters will just reroll if the nerf is too big, casuals on the other hand will just quit if balancing is scuffed in easier content though

[prisma crane]

easier content warriors should still easily remain top tier

[cinder storm]

only if you are haste/versa gang, haste/crit gang probably will chill

[prisma crane]

for ease of play reasons alone

[prisma crane]

huh?

[frank hemlock]

and balancing for easy content is pretty bad, content scales the same for everyone, and its not like making one class balanced for high end content will make they fucking blow easy content out of the water, it doesnt scale like that. they might be a bit better than some but if so whatever, who cares honestly its easy content

[ripe tide]

crit rules, versa for pussies

[prisma crane]

ok? unsure how that affects block value but w/e

[jagged pier]

U parry more

[frank hemlock]

[jagged pier]

Doesnt matter if u block or not

CRIT GANG

[cinder storm]

just parry nerfs

[hardy magnet]

I have Champion's Bulwark, should I not talent into that to have IW/DA choice node?

[vapid mountain]

This reset block 200k dmg next reset block 20k dmg

[cinder storm]

RISE UP!

[jagged pier]

U should be running that as well

[prisma crane]

sure, doesnt mean blocking isnt still our primary form of dmg mitigation, or you guys wouldnt be giving a shit about block uptime

[oak echo]

What are your talents

Don't give up bulwark

[prisma crane]

plus this does indirectly nerf spell block a bit too

[jagged pier]

I domt give a shit about uptime i care about blocked hits

[prisma crane]

w/e you know what i mean

[hardy magnet]

Im dumb, I dunno how to link a talent build, so I'm just snipping a screenshot

[jagged pier]

Nog really as it can still crot capp to 100%

[harsh flax]

ok so, eh

how bad are these nerfs

[oak echo]

Give up EA above ravager

[jagged pier]

Right so get rid of audacity

[harsh flax]

excl. all the memry

[oak echo]

Or we its called

[harsh flax]

memry

[stiff gate]

The node above ravager can go

[vast goblet]

Pretty minimal

[harsh flax]

...*memery

[jagged pier]

Massive reroll

[harsh flax]

okay .. I'll reitertate

WITHOUT MEMERS

[cosmic fractal]

Enduring Alacrity

[harsh flax]

how bad is it, doesn't seem to bad

[hardy magnet]

Alright, thanks folks!

[harsh flax]

is my spelling as bad as the nerfs

[lone eagle]

Not huge. Marginal nerf

[harsh flax]

thank you

[jagged pier]

This one also swap TLs for battering ram

[vapid mountain]

prot warr only tank to be nerfed in every patch note

all other tanks buffed

[harsh flax]

well

[thick ore]

what buff do you'll prefer for the ruby whelp shell?

[oak echo]

It will accomplish exactly what they intend which is lessen the survivability gap

[jagged pier]

We have actually had the most nerfs

Thats is true

[harsh flax]

prot warrior is so far ahead of other tanks, ofc it's gonna be nerfed

[vast rivet]

We were grossly overtuned.

[vapid mountain]

wrong. DK and DH are both better tanks

[prisma crane]

would rather they just buff the shit tanks but w/e

[vast rivet]

Thank naowh for this.

[oak echo]

They did that too

[prisma crane]

i still stand by my opinion that on a truly level playing field warriors will almost never be picked

[oak echo]

Bear is the only one kinda poo rn I think but not by much

[prisma crane]

so if we're not in first we're last

[jagged pier]

Nope bdk and monk on par even better in some situations and bosses

[harsh flax]

all tanks are fine, but prot is just a tad way above the rest

[vast rivet]

Enjoy the reroll

[toxic pewter]

nerfs and buffs will come and go... prot warr spirit remains

[prisma crane]

we;ve always been that way

[coarse flower]

Would you take a point of bloodsurge over battering ram in keys?

[toxic pewter]

Fotmers easy come easy go

[jagged pier]

U always take bloodsurge in keys

If u mean bloodbourne no

[cinder storm]

I mean, Naowh went semi naked on CoS and he did the same with a monk where there's 0 tank buster and most things can be sidestepped, he had good heals and good dps, but casuals are like "omg look at tank soo buuuusted nerrrfs plsss"

[prisma crane]

idgaf about FotM players, id just like my class to keep top spot for half as long as DK are allowed to have it

[toxic pewter]

You can still be the top

I believe in u

[lone eagle]

His monk was like 350

[jagged pier]

Also took him 3 attempts

[oak echo]

Don't get emotionally attached to a class then ez

[prisma crane]

i mean im not swapping, i only play warrior, one trick gang, but still

[lone eagle]

His pwar was 207 with no gear on in almost every slot

[coarse flower]

O I meant bloodborne - why is that? Is battering ram just more dmg on st and aoe?

[lone eagle]

Just weapons/shield/ring/neck

[prisma crane]

he had the most important slots

[warm plinth]

Yeah, uh

What tankbusters are there in CoS again?

[jagged pier]

1 point in BB is 1.5% battering is more damage and more rage

[warm plinth]

Oh right, none

[cinder storm]

Still, if things die fast, you dont need to tank them

[prisma crane]

and yea CoS almost doesnt need a tank

[cinder storm]

Have him do the same with pugs

[muted charm]

will BV being bumped down to 10% make FbV finally overtake it?

[jagged pier]

No

[cinder storm]

Will take probably 50 tries

[vast rivet]

Is FBV still bugged?

[sturdy sable]

Hey @muted charm

[oak echo]

On higher keys is TL not still better for more of the damage reduction uptime or is demo desyncing from CDs just that much worse

[warm plinth]

BV and FoV 🤦

[cinder storm]

Field of View needs nerf

[lone eagle]

Just kind of unnecessary. Also remember that Demo costs a GCD

[prisma crane]

thats why so many places have trees

[jagged pier]

Its worse imo do u get more demos sure, but on tyran not really cause tls barely doesn anything on ST u should just taoe ram for the boss damage and extra rage

[sly perch]

Been a while since I played tank. Need to swap anything? Busy dad so I can't keep up that much as I would want to 😅

[cinder storm]

you are right

[muted charm]

I hate typos rofl

[lone eagle]

BR is also more SS resets

[jagged pier]

Please don run BSV

Its terrible

[oak echo]

Even on fort you'd go that way too?

[jagged pier]

And bugged anyway

[lone eagle]

Yes

[oak echo]

Fair

[jagged pier]

Yes

[coarse flower]

Is that revenge talent?

[oak echo]

Thanks will try it out more

[lone eagle]

Battle Scarred Veteran

[coarse flower]

O

[warm plinth]

Giving up 2 points in 20+ category monka

[jagged pier]

No thats the shitty not a cheat death talent

[warm plinth]

For piercing howl and berserker rage x_x

[oak echo]

The "cheat" "death"

[lone eagle]

It procs when you don't need it and procs in a bugged way

It'd be better if it was a real cheat

[oak echo]

Ya

[coarse flower]

How much damage is that revenge talent in the general tree (that increases rage cost but also increase revenge dmg)

[warm plinth]

It's a shit talent

[oak echo]

It cucks your rage real bad

[warm plinth]

Like just use the build in the pins

please

[lone eagle]

Revenge is a mechanism to give SS resets and tier uptime

[warm plinth]

pretty please

[jagged pier]

The nerfs work out around 6-7% more physical damage. From blockable attacks.
No change when crit blocking.
BrV is still probably worth it over FbV because it interacts with our teir set

[lone eagle]

More cost = bad

[lone eagle]

Is that accounting for K Values?

[chrome falcon]

typo in pinned madge

[jagged pier]

K values not increasing

Its not a new season

[lone eagle]

The forced k value curve would probably adjust that in real time

[warm plinth]

K value changes based on content type. If I'm in M+, the k value is the k value

It's not like it's changing every pull or something

[lone eagle]

Yes, but what they do functionally is force a stat to be vaguely in a range

[short edge]

Question may have been asked already but just joined; What stat % are people aiming for currently? My enchants and gems are increasing that haste %

[lone eagle]

It enforces a curve

[prisma crane]

what are you assuming is our average stacks of BFI?

[median tulip]

All Stats Matter

[warm plinth]

Doesn't matter. Take ilevel

[cinder storm]

ilvl

[lone eagle]

If block values were already trending outside the curve, the nerf would have a lessened impact

[jagged pier]

Stats dont matter they are fine gem high hastr x stat gem and enchant haste

[short edge]

I shall leave my enchants and gems as they are then. Cheers all

[jagged pier]

What?

[coarse flower]

I heard the cheat death talent calculates your dmg taken without considering your active mit somehow - is this right?

[jagged pier]

Yes

[sturdy sable]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

It's not even a cheat death talent

It does not prevent your death

[jagged pier]

It procs at 80% hp

[median tulip]

Playing correctly is more important than any array of stats

[warm plinth]

If I get hit by something that's going to take me from 100% to 0, I'm still going to go 100% to 0

[dire matrix]

whatare these ticks and crsses

[warm plinth]

It will not save me

[jagged pier]

Its suppose to proc on the first damage tick below 30%

[warm plinth]

Pawn I think?

[short edge]

of course, I am not dying, just trying to get things set as the guild pushes further into mythic

[jagged pier]

So its still pretty bad even if it worked corrextly

[warm plinth]

Assuming you mean the talent trees

[dire matrix]

yes

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think it's a Pawn thing

[coarse flower]

Do we know what “active mit”, it doesn’t consider in the calculations for BSV? (Or what spells we 100% knows it considers in its calculation)

[jagged pier]

We dont use pawn as tanks

Thats fucking dumb

Delete it

[mighty valley]

pawn has been bad for pretty much everyone forever now

[warm plinth]

Pawn in general is obsolete and should please die quietly

[dire matrix]

pawn is beyond bad

[prisma crane]

we lose 6% block value from Shield specialization, and 9% from BFI at max stacks, that's like 15% block value, from 155 to 140, isn't that a 10% reduction of block value?

[dire matrix]

idk math

[prisma crane]

and more for crit blocks no?

[dire matrix]

someone tell me how bad it is

who did the math

wheres nome

[clever heart]

what is pawn ?

[prisma crane]

dont even worry about it

[warm plinth]

An addon you should forget we mentioned.

[jagged pier]

Theres no change when crit blocking and its around 12%

[clever heart]

haha ok tytyt

[clever heart]

tyty

[jagged pier]

The ppl have already done the maths

[dire matrix]

whats thje maths

[warm plinth]

The first pin

[oak echo]

It's in the pins

[coarse flower]

The ppl

[dire matrix]

ty

[vapid mountain]

from playable to unplayable pretty much

[warm plinth]

DOOM

[mighty valley]

lmao

[crimson furnace]

the math is: play better and focus on ur gameplay!! the class is fun and owns!!

[neat tendon]

anyone know what i should train my ruby whelp shell for?

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bibdP.gif

[jagged pier]

I did st its about the same as aoe and st is more impirtant even in dungeons

Haste and crit might alao be good

[coarse flower]

These nerfs are pretty inconsequential for m+ anyway, warriors are only struggling to high magic damage tank busters (maybe there’s an argument for high tyran AA bird boss or NO Twin boss) but war are probably still the best tank

[mellow surge]

Any toughts on the Prot nerfs?

[jagged pier]

Huge

[prisma crane]

the block value nerf doesnt affect Crawth problems

[jagged pier]

Reroll

[neat tendon]

@jagged pier so what do i go use my shell on? pretty sure the haste/aoe is the aoe target dummys

[urban bane]

reroll

[neat tendon]

but what is it for ST

[lucid bough]

Prot is busted any thing that brings it closer to other tanks are good for me

[daring marlin]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vapid mountain]

this week you lived with 15%hp next week you die with with 0% hp

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/639f97e788641834ae131c0a/4x.gif

[daring marlin]

This is what I came here for thank you ❤️

[prisma crane]

why not just bring other tanks closer to prot instead?

[jagged pier]

Wowhead will tell u i have no clue

[sick sentinel]

I gotta get into 13 14's if i want to make any IO progress

did a 12 sbg only +3 score

[coarse flower]

The initial peck and the bleed afterward doesn’t get damage reduced by block value?

[neat tendon]

@jagged pier ty

[clever heart]

Hey I got a question about M+ 17-20 key lvl trinkets for Prot warrior.
Like last week we finally learned more about Ruby Whelpling trinket. it was still too difficult to accurately sim so theory crafters needed more time to figure out if it would be great or not.
do we know yet if Ruby Whelp + Decoration of flame > Whetstone + decoration ? Like im still sure from raiderio that Decoration is bis but what is best second trinket to pair with it.
Ruby Whelpling, Whetstone, Rumbling Ruby, Totem master, or Whispering Incarnate ?

[prisma crane]

no

[lucid bough]

Bc they dont want a content nerf and prot is by far the most braindead tank in years while being this powerful

[cosmic fractal]

For ST the tank dummy in Valdrakken works, For AOE the cleave dummies.

[jagged pier]

Well that would be better but now they only need to bring veng and bear up to the rest which are all very close

[prisma crane]

@coarse flower cannot block the initial hit and we've never been able to block bleeds

[warm plinth]

BDK S3/4 would like to talk to you

[jagged pier]

Flame is not bis is meh, whetstone and totem

U should beusing

[urban bane]

nah ghash this time is different

[jagged pier]

Or whetstone and boon if u want to live on the edge

[prisma crane]

i guess, i have a feeling we'll see a fair amount of ppl shift off warr soon enough anyways, other tanks can bring more anyways

[sick sentinel]

idiot question, but less block through talent means small spell blocks too?

[jagged pier]

Yep

[mighty valley]

yes it nerfs spell block the same amount

[sullen flame]

Not just BDK but monk too and bear just before that. Tanks are generally braindead easy, thats by design.

[daring marlin]

BDK always solid.

[jagged pier]

Was happen all ready anyway krotos as ppl started geRing the other tanks

[warm plinth]

Just funny to me to imply that any tank has ever been more braindead than BDK in the latter half of Shadowlands

[prisma crane]

though imo it was already happening pre-new nerf so itll just accelerate

[warm plinth]

Literally a 1-button spec

[coarse flower]

Oh that’s kinda huge then

[mighty valley]

i'll accept the nerfs if it means less "what do i craft" in here

[coarse flower]

Yikes

[mellow surge]

Bdk no dmg tough

[prisma crane]

yep, our days in the limelight are ending

[jagged pier]

Ye

[sick sentinel]

one good thing about DK is once you have a weapoin, you are set for life

[warm plinth]

I'll make sure to ask a few times a day for you

[coarse flower]

Spell block barely keeping me up in some keys, nerfing that is cringe af

[warm plinth]

wat

[prisma crane]

cant even last a full patch, one day the DK lovers that run blizzard will leave the company, one day

[jagged pier]

Be thankful your not yellow that was a shit show earlier but we dooming okay just so u know how to act

[clever heart]

O freak ! wait whetsone + All-Totem is legit better ? are alot of tanks still just trying to farm trinkets ? cause i feel like on raider io most the prots i look at are using Decoration trinket in their keys.

[mighty valley]

oh sorry. im quitting world of warcraft

[lone eagle]

Yeah just double checked, assuming a decent shield its going to be ~6% more

[warm plinth]

Please don't base your decisions on people doing higher keys. Do you know how many prot warriors we've seen coming in here doing 23s and shit and have 50% blocked hits

[oak echo]

Only reason to prefer Deco is that it's on demand. All totem is better in every other way

[jagged pier]

Yes mile better they using flame because they think.its good when actually its not great and looses value the moment u dont use it on cd. Like each application of the shield is around the same as 1 IP in value

[crimson furnace]

im doing 21's and play ITF!! there, I said it!!

[drifting needle]

It’s been covered before also that decoration is off the first boss so tends to be a case of using what you got rather than being hyper bis

[sand egret]

my cotank in raid hasn't hit spell reflect in like two weeks AMA

[fading tide]

Bros I need a break from tanking and wanna play arms but I can’t get a 2H anywhere

[coarse flower]

Ya, and it does ok dmg but I think there’s better on demand defensive trinkets

[warm plinth]

we had a 413 warrior come in here a few days ago who pressed shield block like 12 times over the course of a dungeon in a 21

[lone eagle]

Deco is good if A) you're using it on CD and B) you're using it to meet a specific CD requirement

[sick sentinel]

what was that one guy that was posted here the other day........ in a +18 with 44% blocked hits or something

[rough egret]

Craft

[clever heart]

fair enough.
i've been out of town for a week and last i had heard i had no idea totem + whetstone was legit our bis now

[lone eagle]

People shit on it because it's not the best defensive or offensive trinket

But it's a good enough blend of both and often gives you just enough of what you need

[foggy ruin]

what is better defensively

[jagged pier]

Its not now its always was

[prisma crane]

i prefer Boon over whetstone

[foggy ruin]

i feel like deco is p good at helping u mitigate a hit in high keys

[prisma crane]

i hate mastery

[warm plinth]

Mwahi would appreciate you saying that

[lone eagle]

Manic Grieftorch + All Totem gang

[jagged pier]

All totem

[warm plinth]

He is also a boon enjoyer

[clever heart]

AHH so just like the streets tank trinket in S4. theyre just going off of "feel"

[sand egret]

@warm plinth the WF Kurog kill was the PoV of the warrior who was dropping block like a bad habit. So, I don't doubt it at all 😆

[coarse flower]

Boon??

[mellow surge]

Icon good?

[prisma crane]

Boon is also just the right level of spicy to be fun

[jagged pier]

U cant get away with it in high keys

[warm plinth]

We don't speak of ||Codex|| in here

[jagged pier]

Not very

[oak echo]

Boon is very troll in anything hard unless you hold it a ton

[sick sentinel]

my group died twice to +12 final boss of SBG somehow

[warm plinth]

[jagged pier]

Yer kinda

[prisma crane]

just SW and eat whatever it is lol

[sick sentinel]

didn't really catch how, exactly, but that was only trouble we had

[round cliff]

how much less tanky are we after the nerf? like less than 1%?

[prisma crane]

wait, can a priest or evoker move you while in Boon?

[clever heart]

O

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[prisma crane]

just thinking of hiring a crane

[warm plinth]

probably?

idk

I'm making it up

[round cliff]

oh pins

[foggy ruin]

was he not dropping block in kurog because other tank is taking boss half the time?

[prisma crane]

also, but if we had our banner we could move with Boon lol

[warm plinth]

You don't drop block ever

Even if you are never tanking, you'd still keep it active for damage

[mellow surge]

So which best class tank no more warrior?

[foggy ruin]

ah true

[vapid mountain]

DK and DH are number 1 now

[daring marlin]

bdk reroll now while you're ahead

[jagged pier]

U can still have banner just be joined with necros and u can use raise banner

[vapid mountain]

warrior is third after druid

[warm plinth]

DH KEK

[daring marlin]

🤣

[warm plinth]

What kind of cooked fucking take is this

[foggy ruin]

pre coping

[prisma crane]

wait, would this really work if we did a SL dungeon?

[jagged pier]

No like u used to get raise banner the tmog version

[lone eagle]

Pwar still probably BiS in general, BDK still the runner up, Brew no longer poopy, Bear remains to be seen because of weird bugs

[round cliff]

does taking 7% more physical damage rly matter if we're already taking more than 7% less than other tanks

[oak echo]

Need dratnos and tettles to release new official tier lists to give us the real answers

[prisma crane]

ah, meh

[jagged pier]

Still there if u are necro should be able to use it anywhere

[clever heart]

hey this is dumb question. but how can you check what % of hits you blocked in a key ? like is there a details setting to see that?

[foggy ruin]

bro melee attacks r never an issue

[warm plinth]

No, you have to log

[foggy ruin]

7% more dmg lol

who cares

[jagged pier]

Please fucking no

[warm plinth]

Then you go to your character>damage taken>hover over the number in the hits column next to melee

[daring marlin]

you're ruining the meme

We're on life support now!!!!

[jagged pier]

Logs and only logs

[coarse flower]

Spell block nerfed too bro

[round cliff]

u need to give us a tank tier list instead, then
now that prot is dead

[warm plinth]

No, no he doesn't

Tier lists are fucking garbage

[lone eagle]

As long as Spell Block mitigates >35% of a spell, it doesn't matter how much its nerfed

[warm plinth]

Please stop enabling that shit

[clever heart]

ok logs and only logs. got it tyty ❤️

[oak echo]

It was very much a joke

[daring marlin]

#packwatch RIP BOZO

[lone eagle]

Because its still a giga defensive that is without compare during that window

[jagged pier]

Put the tank specs in to spin the wheel and spin it

[prisma crane]

so then it does matter, if it goes below 35%, words matter yo

[foggy ruin]

what are spell block nerfs i didnt see them?

[lone eagle]

As long as is a qualifier

[mighty valley]

spell block applies your block chance to spells

er

block value

[foggy ruin]

ahh

yeah

true

[warm plinth]

BrM new meta

[jagged pier]

It works off block

[prisma crane]

also, 35% would make it worse than SW for that duration, so it would no longer be without compare

[mighty valley]

if block value is nerfed, ergo, therefore, etc

[lone eagle]

It lasts 20 seconds

[jagged pier]

Been saying it for months tbf

[warm plinth]

The wheel has spoken

[coarse flower]

If I’m taking a magic dot - spell block wouldn’t dr the dot after right?

[jagged pier]

No

[lone eagle]

Not any longer

[prisma crane]

only if the dot dmg is based on initial hit, which afaik none do

[warm plinth]

We specifically have never been able to block DoTs

[coarse flower]

Icic

[warm plinth]

Prot pally could before Dragonflight

with Holy Shield*

[jagged pier]

Right its late imma point anyone to the pin or meme and doom. Up to u ppl

[oak echo]

Meme and Doom it is

[warm plinth]

ngl I think it would be cool if the TJS 3rd boss based the healing absorb on amount of damage received so that it would reward good gameplay.

[oak echo]

Nobody reads the pins anyways

[void marten]

prot war is dead im rerolling protection warrior

[oak echo]

Big facts

[foggy ruin]

nah reroll prot war instead

i think

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna reroll pwar idk about you guys

[lone eagle]

Probably sticking with Pwar unless more tank tuning happens

[warm plinth]

nah you should reroll to prot war

[drifting needle]

Or stick to prot because it’s fun

[lone eagle]

I can play all tanks at about the same level although I'm a brew main

[waxen cradle]

Here is what I am wondering how much does the rework of the Druid talent trees and the BrM buffs affect those tanks ?

[daring marlin]

only tuning I want is 1 min spear of bastion

gimme

[lone eagle]

And I despise ppal

[void marten]

after the nerfs there's no point to play pwar, just reroll to tank spec warrior and enjoy ez content

[warm plinth]

BrM buffs are pretty good. Druid is hard to say thus far

[waxen cradle]

Only wondering because Monk has been super poop

[crimson furnace]

nerf us more, more pain, more gain!

[waxen cradle]

until now

[lament zealot]

DH feels like the weakest tank, is that true or am I offbase?

[lone eagle]

BrM buffs are nice but don't really measure up on their fundamental issues

[round cliff]

all dooming aside im really tempted to try playing guardian druid

should i 🤔

[lone eagle]

Guardian needs bug fixes

[sick sentinel]

it is, but who needs to survive the fight when u do 50k dps and the fight dies in 10 seconds

[prisma crane]

currently second highest representation on 25+ keys

[void marten]

btw any mythic raider tanks here? i'm 414 ilvl and currently 3/8(we started raiding very late to the tier), is there any boss where you started taking damage?

[lone eagle]

M Kurog slaps

[prisma crane]

and 3rd highest on 20+

[lone eagle]

Not in a "I'm getting bursted" sort of way

but more like a "Oh god the damage just doesn't stop"

[coarse flower]

So cos and SBG keys lmao

[lone eagle]

And then you have to save CDs for add enrages

[void marten]

so you start pressing ignore pain?

[mighty valley]

what world would you not be pressing ignore pain

[prisma crane]

sure, but that same loophole would apply to all tanks, so it doesnt really matter

[lone eagle]

I'm tanking it without 4 set and dogwater trinkets

[round cliff]

IP = DPS

[dire matrix]

you mean naowh is playing it

[vapid mountain]

is it even worth to press ignore pain anymore

just makes you die little slower

[round cliff]

its DPS

[dire matrix]

its not like 25+ has huge play

[mighty valley]

god damn you're committed to this doomer bit huh

[prisma crane]

3rd highest above 20s, that's more than just naowh

[woven trellis]

Sanguine is such a sad week for booning

[void marten]

haha we were very unlucky with trinkets too

[dire matrix]

it was 2nd highest at the start

[void marten]

i use eranog absorb trinket and ruby whelp shell

[prisma crane]

either way, more than "the weakest tank right now"

[coarse flower]

Ya that’s a better stat

[dire matrix]

thats bear

idk how anyone would decide otherwise

[lone eagle]

Running a 415 hunger and 402 Eranog trinket